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The Art of Particle Physics

PhysicsDavid writes to tell us about an article in Symmetry magazine. Jan-Henrik Anderson, a designer with a background in architecture, has collaborated with several particle physicists to develop visual representations of particles based on their physical characteristics. It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.

125 comments

  1. It must just be me by geomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But I don't see much difference in the representation of top and down quarks in the panels shown.

    That said, I always find it interesting how the visual arts community attempts to capture the reality of the world based on the known principles of their day. Looking back through history at the artist rendering of our world provides us with a unique perspective on how wrong we were in describing the world in art.

    I'm afraid that the world of quantum mechanics is just too weird for us to capture in visual display. Perhaps it will take someone like Dali or Escher to provides us with a view of the quantum world.

    But again, it could just be me.

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    1. Re:It must just be me by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Funny

      But I don't see much difference in the representation of top and down quarks in the panels shown.

      Lucky you. I don't see a damn thing because Slashdot has destroyed another unlucky webserver.

    2. Re:It must just be me by geomon · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Wow! That didn't take long.

      I wonder if they have ever experienced a slashdotting?

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    3. Re:It must just be me by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > > But I don't see much difference in the representation of top and down quarks in the panels shown.
      >
      > Lucky you. I don't see a damn thing because Slashdot has destroyed another unlucky webserver.

      You're leaping to conclusions.

      I also don't see a damn thing, but from that I can conclude only that Slashdot has placed a webserver in a superposition of states between lucky-and-destroyed, lucky-and-not-destroyed, unlucky-and-destroyed, and unlucky-and-not-destroyed.

    4. Re:It must just be me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a slashdotting were a color, what color would it be?

    5. Re:It must just be me by geomon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess that depends on where you reside at the time of slashdotting: red shifted in anger as the server admin, or blue shifted as the sad slashreader who never got to see the original article.

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    6. Re:It must just be me by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Duh... The color of fire from a burning server, obviously :)

    7. Re:It must just be me by xCepheus · · Score: 1

      You're right it must be you... because they all look strange to me.

    8. Re:It must just be me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it will take someone like Dali or Escher to provides us with a view of the quantum world.

      The default KDE icons have got pretty near, in my humble opinion. Somebody in kindergarten thinking quarks and equipped with crayons.

      *ducks*

    9. Re:It must just be me by starwed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For each generation of quarks, the article says that the two types of quark (such as top and down) are complements of each other; that is, if you put them on top of each other it creates a solid space.

      Overall they did a decent job of representing the spin, color, and generation. And they chose a shape which has an orientation, so that direction can be expressed. I'm not sure that you get so good feel for the masses of the particles, though...

    10. Re:It must just be me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If a slashdotting were a color, what color would it be?"

      a soothing green light.

    11. Re:It must just be me by aklix · · Score: 1

      I pictured it more like a jagged hard beam of light, my mind probably ties slashdotting to the Hairy Potter Avada Kadavra spell.

    12. Re:It must just be me by drauh · · Score: 1

      You just have to pick a diagonalizing basis, and all will become clear.

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    13. Re:It must just be me by hazem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The book "Art & Physics" by Leonard Shlain, http://www.artandphysics.com/, actually argues the opposite. His research shows that for certain cases in physics, what happened in art actualy preceeded, and in a way, predicted breakthroughs in physics.

      From the website:
      Leonard Shlain proposes that the visionary artist is the first member of a culture to see the world in a new way. Then, nearly simultaneously, a revolutionary physicist discovers a new way to think about the world. Escorting the reader through the classical, medieval, Renaissance and modern eras, Shlain shows how the artists' images when superimposed on the physicists' concepts create a compelling fit.

      I haven't read this particular book, but I read his other two: Sex, Time, & Power, and Alphabet vs. The Goddess. They were fascinating reads!

    14. Re:It must just be me by geomon · · Score: 2

      From one of the chapters: "Even the stereotypical proponents of each endeavor are polar opposites. In college, the hip avant-garde art students generally do not mingle with their more conventional counterparts in the physics department."

      Funny that he made that observation because the only two departments on the campus I attended would still have lights on after 8:00 pm were physics and art.

      You'd think they would have noticed themselves and offered to buy each other a round. ;)

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    15. Re:It must just be me by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, on my campus (the univ of north carolina at charlotte) its engineering and physics that are usually the night owls on campus. None of the arts students I know seem to put on late hours (and by late I mean post-midnight) unless its final paper/project week

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    16. Re:It must just be me by EternityInterface · · Score: 0

      I see art and science as the complete opposites, but then I have this quote:

      "It is said that the meaning of school
      is to make kids stop asking questions
      to those that this fails
      they become scientists"
      {?}

      But the last word could just as well be "artists".

      Offline I've had some really nice discussions with a science mind, it's funny because he's like a human searchengine, and Google wouldn't be able to replace him.
      "You know that a-bit-fat guy, blonde hair, comedian?"
      And he would know that name, which I obviously don't remember now, and that was a bad example. I could link a guy who says he's a scientist, or something (he's, uhm, thurough) and he happens to write some good poetry (that's a lie, his just opinions are better writings).

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    17. Re:It must just be me by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2, Funny

      You guys are all funny.
      All you had to do was look at it from a different point in time-space. It is now a day later and the server and images are fine.

      Next time try not to be so three-dimensional.

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    18. Re:It must just be me by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      BS. if you spend enough time looking at nostrodomus writing you will 'see' things that came to pass as well. Same thing with sci-fi books. The shotgun is a very effective weapon.

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  2. Website Mistake. by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is an error in the website - the bottom row of quarks is not correct.
    The pdf version of the site shows the correct models.

    I spent forever staring at those incorrect models trying to make sense of them, before realizing that top and down were the same, and that something must be wrong :)

    1. Re:Website Mistake. by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No matter, their server went down faster than desperate prom date and the google cache is only from the previous edition so we can't see it anyway. Just like the real thing! :)

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    2. Re:Website Mistake. by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh dear, it's the Heisenberg Slashdotting Principle.

    3. Re:Website Mistake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the pdf isn't all correct either, they managed to mess up the URL of Mr. Hande's page, which has a lot more info than the article linked in the blurb.

  3. Wow, that was fast by bcat24 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The server is /.ed already?!

  4. 2 comments and already slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    save your time, it's dead jim. PDF and html versions. Maybe two particales collided when everyone rushed to view the site.

  5. Particles by AlphaSector · · Score: 1, Funny

    can apparently be slashdotted too

  6. Odd by fullofangst · · Score: 1

    I can't see the URL from the headline, but the PDF works fine ...

  7. link anyone?? by B3AST! · · Score: 0

    i can't find a cached version of this anywhere....mirrordot didnt catch it, network mirror didn't catch it, and it's not old enough for google cache it seems

    anybody? copy and paste for us maybe for those who got there?

  8. An absolutely PERFECT representation by LithiumX · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's perfect. When you go there, you see nothing. This is probably the best way to visually describe a quark - something which is, for all intents and purposes, nothing that builds something.

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    1. Re:An absolutely PERFECT representation by azav · · Score: 1

      No love. The PDF is down too.

      This site went down so fast it didn't even make it to Mirrordot.

      Time to upgrade the modem.

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    2. Re:An absolutely PERFECT representation by Rei · · Score: 1, Informative

      This reminds me of the article on Nihilism? It's almost as good as the article on Surrealism.

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  9. Late for the party by kafka47 · · Score: 1, Troll

    It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.

    Damn, slashdotted. I'm late to the party again. Then again, maybe this is the way phyicists are getting revenge for never being invited to those sorts of parties.

  10. It tried the visualizations at symmetry magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the infinities must have cancelled out because I got nothing.

  11. Top-Less Quark! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.

    What about seeing a "top-less" quark?

    1. Re:Top-Less Quark! by direwulf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Armin Shimmerman without a shirt on...sounds like the beginning to a twisted holosuite program left on the DS9 cutting room floor.

    2. Re:Top-Less Quark! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      Armin Shimmerman without a ...

      Oh god! The vision! THE VISION! Get it out! Get it out of my head! AHHHRRGGHH!

  12. could be better? by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm wondering why the illustrators chose to show these as 'solid' objects, and not clouds or even animated swirling clouds.

    As a non-scientist, the images I was exposed to growing up were always spheres orbiting spheres, which inevitably led to the 'realization' of everyone I knew (including myself) at some point in their life that atoms were just like the solar system, and what if we are in just a big atom, and atoms really are just little solar systems...? This image, showing the electron 'cloud' around a hydrogen nucleus, is very enlightening for someone who is terrible at math. Totally destroys the 'recursing solar system' theory ;)

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    1. Re:could be better? by nherm · · Score: 1

      Well, if you acelerate time fast enough, and choose the right frame of reference, the Earth could describe a cloud around the sun as well as an electron around a nucleus.

      (disclaimer: I used to dream about atoms being little solar systems too, and I dont want to throw those ideas from my childhood so easily!! :)

    2. Re:could be better? by ChocoBean · · Score: 1

      Sir, how do you make sense of the diagram you linked to? I see orange and black patterns like the ones on origami paper. '-' is there an article that goes along with the image?

    3. Re:could be better? by symbolic · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken those orange areas denote areas of probability in which an electron in a given orbit will appear. The probability comes into play because electrons don't have "orbits" like planets have orbits, they have "areas" within which they vibrate randomly.

    4. Re:could be better? by wickedsteve · · Score: 1

      That's the problem they are trying to address. How do you symbolize or represent something that has no reference in the macroscopic world? Does anyone think the particles in question are really those colors and have those spins? The color and spin are attributes that are not really anything like the color and spin of solid objects at our level of reality. The spins, colors and new illustrations are strictly symbolic.

    5. Re:could be better? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      I was actually thinking he should draw them as 11-dimensional strings. We currently don't have much evidence supporting Dr. Seuss's Horton Hears a Who model of the universe.

    6. Re:could be better? by DollyTheSheep · · Score: 1

      The picture on Wikipedia represents electron wave functions (with brighter spots corresponding to higher probabilities densities of the electron position). This ias a "static" (=time-independent) representation.

      Spheres orbiting spheres is a time-dependent representation. Note, that electrons still do fly around protons.

      I think, this confusion between electron orbitals as wave functions (time-independent) and as particel movement around a center (time-dependent) is very popular, even under academics.

    7. Re:could be better? by Scott+Carnahan · · Score: 1

      Spheres orbiting spheres is a time-dependent representation. Note, that electrons still do fly around protons.

      You ought to be a bit more precise about what you mean by "fly around," since the s orbital states have zero orbital angular momentum and zero expected linear velocity relative to the nucleus. Also, the only time-dependent behavior in these states is a phase rotation, which doesn't change the probability densities being depicted in the charts. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say that they sit around, but with some extra undirected kinetic energy.

      By the way, you do get time-dependent probability shifts with mixed states, and in the limit of high-energy orbitals, the behavior looks a lot like the normal motion of attracting classical particles.

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  13. What the top quark looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it wears a leather jacket and says "Ayyyyyyyyyyyy! Sit on it, Potsie".

  14. Might be some pretty pictures, but... by Jason1729 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark What does a wave in the ocean look like when you remove the water but not the wave? These particles don't have a "look" in any sense we can understand. Current theory is they're harmonic vibrations in the substructure of the universe. It is a fictional piece of art.

    1. Re:Might be some pretty pictures, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A wave would look like..... a wave, TADA.
      The emphesis on the word seeing was ofcause placed there intentionally to ward of the obvius statement witch you luckely discovered and desided to share with averyone. A hand of applauds please.
      We can represent a lot of things visualy, even if it's not an intuiative visualisation. What does a wave look like? Well some waves look like a wave would in water, some waves look like this: sin(omega*t+phi), It's about a cuple of thousand years ago that art moved from trying to chart down the exact expresion light left in their retina to creating expresssions. And science ofcause started out being about expressing more then was planely visible. WHY OH WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBMEN WITH THIS!?!?!?

    2. Re:Might be some pretty pictures, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is a fictional piece of art.

      More accurately, it's an attempt to apply the properties of something to an unrelated substrate (ink and canvas). Much like your own "wave in water" example.

    3. Re:Might be some pretty pictures, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current theory is they're harmonic vibrations in the substructure of the universe.

      Right, and they can be represented by doing a hyper-quadric projection on a 6-dimensional space, using a tachyon generator powered by dilithium crystals.

      Gotta love current theories.

  15. Let's see... by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

    Physical diagram basics

    Electron: Draw small circle with minus sign in it.

    Proton: Draw small but slightly larger circle with plus sign in it.

    Quark: Fire up raytracing software. For hardcopy, be sure to have a color printer handy.

    So much for back-of-a-napkin physics.

    Rich

    1. Re:Let's see... by neocrono · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you can't accurately and easily render a volumetric superquadratic ellipsoid with specific parameters on the back of a napkin, maybe you shouldn't be in the field of physics in the first place. Nobody said it was going to be all fun and games.

      The times, they are a-changin'.



      (got sarcasm?)

    2. Re:Let's see... by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Physics shouldn't be about scratches and squawks at all unless you are grossly simplyfying it. The spatialization of physics when codified to me has the potential to demonstrate and model concepts effectively without breaking down into a strange argot, an implausible analogy or some other such hoodwink.

    3. Re:Let's see... by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Well, I personally think you should be able to competantly draw in 11 dimensions on the back of a napkin if you're going to study physics, but your comment was good enough to earn you a resounding "Zing!" for the day.

    4. Re:Let's see... by noisyfont · · Score: 1

      Your mod "funny" but you have a vary valid point I would say. What he is presenting can be boiled down to a "new notation". More pleasing to the eye, but significantly more cumbersome to use. A notation success is usually determine but it ability to underline the inherent structure of the system studied. By doing this it allows us to understand more easily what is going on and what is important. In this case, and don't see what his "notation" hads to particle physics except for its visually quality... I supposed that if you have a long calculation to do it might end up looking much nicer and you won't get sore eyes. Then again, I don't know that much about particle physics, so maybe his "notation" is more intuitive after all.

    5. Re:Let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The value I see here is in generating animated representations of our theories. You're totally right, it is 'mere' notation (insert totally geek example of the revelatory power of good notation here).

  16. Antimatter by Tumbarumba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have some friends who play around all day smashing antimatter into matter, which I think sounds like a fun hobby. The theory of what they do is well above my head, but I recently got a chance to contribute by creating a new website for them at the Center for Antimatter-Matter Studies. Check it out (though I'm afraid there aren't any pics of quarks)

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    1. Re:Antimatter by KanadaKid19 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Looks like you gathered some inspiration from http://www.simplebits.com, am I correct?

    2. Re:Antimatter by Tumbarumba · · Score: 1
      Looks like you gathered some inspiration from http://www.simplebits.com/ am I correct?
      Yes, you are quite correct (as you can easily determine if you look inside the master.css file). Simplebits gave me some initial ideas about colours and layouts. The sliding doors technique described on A List Apart helped complete the menu, and numerous other tweaks and improvements from other articles on that site. Ruby and ERB does a lot of heavy lifting in regards to assembling various bits of body and sidebard content, and generating menu structure.
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  17. Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Coral cache version worked for me.

  18. Schroedinger's Sever by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone opened the box. It's dead.

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    1. Re:Schroedinger's Sever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone opened the box. It's dead

      Jim.

  19. Quark! by Misanthrope · · Score: 4, Informative

    Little bit of humorous background.

    The name "quark" was taken by Murray Gell-Mann from the book "Finnegan's Wake" by James Joyce. The line "Three quarks for Muster Mark..." appears in the fanciful book. Gell-Mann received the 1969 Nobel Prize for his work in classifying elementary particles.

    1. Re:Quark! by sanx · · Score: 1
      But, according to Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything , most 'hip' physicists pronounce Quark as rhyming with Stork.

      And now you know...

  20. why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc.? by G4from128k · · Score: 1
    The visual appearance of an object is defined by how photons of different frequencies bounce off the object. Yet these images may not reflect that. Do colored quarks really interact with different frequencies (=energies) differently?

    I wonder what these quarks sound like, smell like, or feel like.

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  21. Mirrordot to the rescue... by TigerNut · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have it: Mirrordot front page. You do have to get the PDF to see the corrected picture...

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  22. Was expecting more... by sarlos · · Score: 1

    The images were just kind of... blah. Just the name Quark sounds somewhat exotic and these pictures are anything but. It looks about like something I would have made years ago when I was first learning 3d Studio Max. Is this really what quarks and photons are supposed to 'look' like or what?

    Maybe it was a case like this gem where some phycist was making a joke out of a colleague's poor artistic skills...

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  23. The Supersymmetric Up Quark by pymike · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else see a debian logo if you mirror that thing?

  24. Have to say it... by loose_cannon_gamer · · Score: 3, Funny
    Any art collection with pieces like "Higgs Field 3 (Interaction with third generation fermions), ink on canvas, 42x56" is just freaking cool.

    Sure beats, "Man on a chair" in my book any day.

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  25. "Most"? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

    > It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.

    You figure there is some means whereby some will get closer?

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    1. Re:"Most"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, the formalisms of quantum field theory and group theory. It's a heck of a lot closer than these pictures...

      I've heard advanced mathematics described as "silent music" - in every way as interesting and pleasing as Beethoven, except impossible to "hear" directly.

  26. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can the first post be considered redundant? No on else has had a chance to say anything yet.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by geomon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think the comment refers to me, not the article. ;)

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  27. Correct Link to "legend" by GnuPooh · · Score: 1
    The link in the article AND the PDF are both wrong for what they call the legend.

    It's here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~janhande/sizedmatte r/standard_model.htm

  28. Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what these quarks sound like, smell like, or feel like.

    Based on the universal poultry constant, the answer is intuitively Chicken.

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  29. Working for Me by Bellum+Aeternus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm no physicist, but it seems to me that anything that looks that complex has to be made of smaller parts...

    I mean, look at that rendering of a photon: it has a tube down the middle? What's in that tube? Shouldn't the most base substance of the universe be spheres? Can't think of a simpler structure...

    Again, with the I'm not a physicist.

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    1. Re:Working for Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a physicist either, but I think that what you are thinking of could be these: String theory

    2. Re:Working for Me by Suicyco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What is there between an electron and a neutron?

      At these scales, "things" become meaningless. Its just points of force and energy wiggling near each other. There would simply be "nothing" in the "tube" in a photon (remember its just an artists representation).

      What is there between two oxygen molecules in the near void of space?

      These things aren't made of anything. They are parts of an equation. We don't even know that they exist in any real sense, we can only infer their existence through crude macro scale experimentation. That experimentation leads us to theories which adequately explain what it was that we saw in our experiment.

      Even if we somehow created something "smaller" (these words are not really useful here) its not really a thing at all, of any size. Its a reaction, a vibration, something more along those lines.

    3. Re:Working for Me by mt-biker · · Score: 1

      I'm no physicist, but it seems to me that anything that looks that complex has to be made of smaller parts...

      Hmm, maybe the pictures are intended to make you wonder that?

      I mean, quarks are the most elementary particles that we know of, but there are still quite a few varieties of quark (remember, we used to think we could explain all forms of matter with protons, neutrons, and electrons). What makes all these quarks different? Are they elementary, or are they made of something else?

    4. Re:Working for Me by Chops+II · · Score: 1

      Sorry to bring in personal opinion/current pet hate but are things really part of an equation? is that what they really are? or is maths just a way to model the world so that some predictions may be made? I think maths is beggining to get in the road of true understanding in phsyics, so many people are deterred by the maths, that would otherwise be perfectly good at understanding the entire universe's workings (not just the models) through imagination/builiding a 3d moving picture in one's mind. I guess what im asking is, is the universe physical or mathematical, in reality?

    5. Re:Working for Me by loqi · · Score: 1

      I think maths is beggining to get in the road of true understanding in phsyics, so many people are deterred by the maths, that would otherwise be perfectly good at understanding the entire universe's workings (not just the models) through imagination/builiding a 3d moving picture in one's mind.

      Well, what you said there is true, in the Fairy Tale Universe. But unfortunately, the real one appears to be bit too complex to completely grasp intuitively. But hey, if building a 3d moving picture in your head ever results in an advance like the computer or atomic power, sign me up for Imagination Physics 101.

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    6. Re:Working for Me by Suicyco · · Score: 1

      It simply cannot be grasped without a proper modelling method, ie. mathematics. (Normal)People most certainly cannot fathom the bizarre complexities of a universe so immensely intricate and complicated. How do you envision in your head the event horizon of a black hole? It makes no logical sense, your mind is not capable of modelling these constructs as you don't have the bits and pieces which make up the model. The maths involved are merely explanations, models. The universe most likely does not conform to our imprecise models of it, but its the only way we can understand it.

      The only person I know of in all of modern history who could manipulate severely complex ideas such as evaporating black holes, is Stephen Hawking. Thats only through necessity as he is very limited in his ability to use tools outside of his head.

      How in the world would you "3d model" a collapsing star? Most of what is occuring is happening with energy and force, not matter as you know it. You can model what you would visually see, sure, but that tells us nothing other than what it would look like from a spaceship near enough to watch it (over a very long time as well.) Thats like painting a picture of the moon and attempting to understand its geology and magnetic field.

      3d modeling is surface only, what your eyes tell you. The concept of physical matter is a concept of how your eyes interpret radiation, how your hand interacts with massive groups of energetic particles, etc. The very world you see around you is an imprecise model itself, in your mind. There is much more going on with a wooden chair then what it looks and feels like to your sensory input devices. We have to use tools to more precisely describe these things. In essense, mathematics is just a language used to explain things that can't be explained with pictures.

  30. Symmetry by JeiFuRi · · Score: 2, Funny

    So if its symmetry magazine, does that mean that it prints twice as much pages as it normally would?

  31. Complements by benhocking · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, I noticed that too. I think this might lead to misconceptions that up/down, strange/charmed, top/bottom have the same relationships to each other as guanine/cytosine and adenine/(uracil|thymine), when, of course, these pairs merely represent (AFAIK) sibling relationships within a family. First of all, quarks come in threes, not twos (unless you consider anti-quarks to be quarks), and secondly, the threesomes can come from combinations from different families, such as \Lambda^0 which is one each of the up, down, and strange quarks.

    I was hoping that the designs had something to do with their proposed string theory vibrations, but as far as I can tell, this was not the inspiration. Instead, TFA mentions that the shapes are just to indicate whether the particles are first, second, or third "generation".

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    1. Re:Complements by nicobn · · Score: 0

      (1) Electron/Electronic neutrino/Up/Down, (2) Muon/Muonic neutrino/Charm/Strange and (3) Tau/Tauic neutrino/Bottom/Top have what we call a generation relationship because they appeared in reverse order. That is, generation 3 particles disinteger (grosso modo, particle physics is much more complicated than that) in generation 2 particles when the energy level is lowered by the expansion of the universe and generation 2 particles disinteger in generation 1 particles.

    2. Re:Complements by sanx · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The problem with trying to represent superstrings visually is that the whole basis of superstring theory revolves around a multi-dimensional space. Superstrings (and I'm no particle physicist) are meant to oscillate both clockwise and anti-clockwise simultaneously, with each oscillation existing in both the four main dimensions plus up to seven more.

      Whilst the skill of graphical artists continually amazes me, I think trying to represent eleven dimensions on a 2D plane would prove to be somewhat difficult, especially as humans have conceptual difficulty visualising, let alone representing, any other than the main four.

    3. Re:Complements by Bananenrepublik · · Score: 1

      I'm not completely sure what you're trying to say, when you say that quarks come in threes, but Mesons are built from pairs of quarks (say, positively charged Pion = up + anti-down).

      Mathematically speaking, the requirement is that the observable particles be SU(3)-singlets, i.e. states which are invariant under SU(3) transformations in color space.

    4. Re:Complements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IAAR I am a retard. The pic of the higgs field is all wrong. It should form a 3d serensky triangle.All things fundemental are made of three thing ect,ect.The pentaquark,higgs boson,gravitron,dark energy/matter do not exist.The top view should also show bumps protruding outward in the pictures to explain vibrational strings.Everything moves in a spiral form everything.

  32. Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The "color" characteristic is taken from quantum chromodynamics. It has almost nothing to do with what we usually associate with the word color. In QCD, there are three types of "charge" instead of just one type as in electrodynamics, so these three types are referred to as colors. It fits because most humans perceive a three dimensional color space spanned by red, green, and blue.

  33. Topping a seedy Quark! by Ken+Broadfoot · · Score: 1


    "It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark."

    Better than topping a seedy quark...

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  34. I've seen these images somewhere before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aww, man! Wiki's hotlinking my Pr0n collection again!

  35. So is at least 20% of every science class by Lifewish · · Score: 1

    I've just started on the Navier-Stokes equations, Reynolds numbers and the other nuts and bolts of viscous flow in my Maths degree course. Turns out that last year's Fluid Dynamics course (Euler's equation, Bernoulli etc) was about 50% complete bull. But the bull was necessary to keep us awake and interested long enough to get to the good stuff. Same with almost every science or maths class I've ever taken (the "set theory" we did in First Year being the classic example). Same with this art.

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    1. Re:So is at least 20% of every science class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I mean, bull according to who?
       
      I can see set theory being completely useless to an engineer, but for mathematicians it's literally where almost everything happens. Sets are to math as the universe is to an applied scientist.
       
      And even then, theoretical physics or some of the advanced applied physics is going to involve differential geometry and linear algebra, all of which are rooted in set theory.
       
      This artwork and half the content in high school science courses, at least in America, are bull because they misinform you about the universe, or give you a picture that you shouldn't have. As far as college goes, stuff that you learn might not be applicable, but I wouldn't say it's bull, unless you have some poor faculty.

    2. Re:So is at least 20% of every science class by Lifewish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you missed my point slightly. Here's an approximate quote from my lecturer: "Now, back last year, we taught you that fluid going down a pipe looks like this [draws a diagram]. That's completely wrong. No fluid ever flowed like that."

      The Fluid Dynamics I was talking about wasn't just lacking in applicability, it was completely misleading as to the true behaviour of fluids. If you want the specifics, it was along the lines of: second year FD teaches that a fluid can flow in a uniform fashion down a pipe - every bit going at the same speed. Third year FD teaches that that can't happen cos viscosity (friction) stops the fluid dead at the wall of the pipe. The second year version was a complete lie - but it was a necessary simplification if they didn't want us to get confused and bored and start skipping lectures.

      Again, the Set Theory I was talking about wasn't just useless for applied mathematicians - I'm a pure mathmo myself, so I find plenty of use for that sort of stuff - it was actively wrong in places. I'm afraid this time I can't remember the specifics (that was first year and I haven't had the third year course yet) but I can remember being horribly disillusioned when, while proudly spouting off to my third-year friends, I was kindly informed that the theory I was relying on was only true in about half the variants of Set Theory floating around.

      We all lie to students. How's a rainbow formed? Well, raindrops refract light, y'see, so... why doesn't it smudge out in a disgusting blur? How does a braincell behave? Well, you draw a bunch of lines going into the cell, and a bunch of lines coming out, and assign a matrix to your "cell" to estimate the level of synaptic firing. Shame it doesn't work like that in real life. I'm currently doing an entire course that reformulates Quantum Mechanics in a pretty way, and I'm feeling slightly depressed cos I know we throw most of it away when we hit Quantum Field Theory next year.

      There are a lot of examples of bull out there. Many of them have beneficial side-effects because they allow you to construct a mental framework of what's going on that you can then graft information onto. Eventually the original framework may be trashed, but the process will be slow enough that you can avoid having to rebuild your intuition as to how the system behaves from scratch. I'd tend to place these pictures in that class.

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  36. W Boson Charge? by erichill · · Score: 1
    The legend gives the W boson an electric charge of zero, rather than the usual W+ with +1 and W- with -1.

    Also, it seems odd to have the boson part of the chart arranged so that the photon is so visually connected with the quarks.

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  37. They didn't leave it on the cutting room floor by benhocking · · Score: 1

    They put it into Meridian. It's at the very end of the episode. Quark was trying to get Kira's holo-image for use in a "sexy" holodeck program. Kira figured out what was going on and sabotaged the program to replace her face with Quark's.

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  38. Which CMS are they running? by RobiOne · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know which CMS they're running? It's not advertized anywhere.

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    1. Re:Which CMS are they running? by RobiOne · · Score: 1

      n/m, it's Xeno CMS 2.1, and no it's not free OSS. xenomedia.com for details.

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  39. Photons... by Johnno74 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ahhh so THATS what a photon looks like. I hadn't seen one before.

    1. Re:Photons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better say that louder, I don't think any mods got it.

  40. I may be in a devil's-advocate mood today, but... by jkauzlar · · Score: 4, Informative

    The familiar model of the atom is just as fictional, but has been extremely useful for visualizing the atom's properties and structure, particularly for beginners in physics or chemistry students, for whom the knowledge of an electron being both a wave and a particle is too-much-information. These pictures, or something like them, could be potentially useful for scientists. The particle's spin becomes a visual part of the particle and not just a number associated with it! On the other hand, the figures might be too difficult for most professors to draw on a chalkboard.

  41. Attractive, but misleading, representations by xPsi · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm sure I don't have to remind most Slashdotter's that there is a big difference between visually encoding or organizing all of a particle's properties in a single image (a superperiodic-like table) and what that particle "looks like" physically or geometrically (through some filter of choice). Anderson trys to explain that he is doing the former by calling his method a "visual language" or "representation." The effort to visualize these things geometrically is going to be a much, much bigger task than is shown at that web site.

    Moreover, as an encoder of particle properties, he has forgotten to include a bunch of those properties in his representations. There are also some funny misleading conventions too. For example, his representation does not even begin to convey how much more massive the top quark is than the up quark. So much for building intution. Also, intrinsic spin is a subtle beast and he seems to sweep the details under the carpet. For example, a spin 1/2 object (like a quark) must be be rotated 720 degrees before it returns to its original state. Making a little curley fry to represent a spin 1/2 object seems a lazy, misleading, and simply wrong.

    In my opinion, while the art is an attractive visual treat (and certainly a little physics PR is not bad), it seems a long way from being a complete, useful, or pedagogical representation of these complex objects.

    And yes, IAAP

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    1. Re:Attractive, but misleading, representations by theonewho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      hey now,

      [disclaimer: IAAHEP]

      a most basic lack in the visual representation of these "objects" is the lack of *relationship* -- quarks *cannot* exist in isolation in our dimensioned universe, just as leptons (in the understanding of them as point particles) *must* be "dressed" by virtual interactions -- reducing quarks and leptons to static visual representations is a dis-service at both the PR and substantive levels (interestingly enough, before i was a HEP, i was a PR flack -- life is so strange)

      it is not the "objects" but the "operators" that connect them that contain nearly all the wonder and understanding -- the representation (visual, sonic, olfactory, mathematical or what-have-you) of a quark or lepton is interesting and useful only insofar as it leads to a deeper understanding of the way they are embedded into the whole world -- this depth of understanding seems to me to be the goal of both interesting art and science, and it does not seem to be well served by the images offered here

      to my mind (viz. IMHO), feynman diagrams are a deeper and truer art in the sense that they evoke the underlying nature of the thing they purport to represent -- think of feynman diagrams in the same sense as picasso's line art -- the only difference i see is that picasso drew up in us the things we (or nearly all of we) share in our wordless hearts while feynman created a method of seeing new things in a way that leveraged old visual understandings -- feynman's vision (his *notation*) will only be superseded in the sense that newton's representation of gravitational interaction is superseded by einstein's -- the images presented here lack this deeper nature

      cheers,
      kevin (as if you didn't already know!)

  42. Nobody will ever need more than 6 types of quarks. by Ythan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.

    Seems awfully shortsighted to me. I would hope that as we learn more about the quantum world, we will be able to develop more accurate visual models of it. Or am I missing something?

  43. Just when I thought I was resonably smart....... by Rank_Tyro · · Score: 1

    .....Someone puts something on /. that is TOTALLY incomprehensible. Thank you for bringing me back down to earth. "Uhhhhh.........the pictures sure are purty"

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  44. Particle Drawings in 2004 & 1878 by CarlGM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone interested in Jan's drawings, might find books the 1908 edition of OCCULT CHEMISTRY, by Annie Besant & Charles Leadbeater, quite interesting indeed, especially those aware of its comtemporary interpretation by Stephen M. Phillips entitled: Extra Sensory Perceptions of Quarks. Potentially better still might be the 1878 wonder PRINCIPLES OF LIGHT AND COLOR, by Edwin D. Babbitt. Those interested in this title would do well to avoid the edited 1967 edition of this text, as the editor a certain Faber Birren removed all of the good stuff as a simple reading of the contents of the original edition will reveal. The contents seem to describe the wave/particle duality in a directly perceived way. Have a look and see for yourself.

    Andersen seemed unaware of all this when I spoke to him a year or so ago at one of his lectures at the University of Michigan. Michigan does not have a copy of Babbitt's book, but Harvard does.

  45. Slightly off-topic... by agentkhaki · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, not entirely. To start, he'll be lecturing (scroll about half-way down) on November 10th, 5:00 PM at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor, MI. If you can make it, go see him. You'll not be disappointed.

    A couple of other links from the page above:



    The rest is slightly off-topic.

    I actually had Jan-Henrick as a professor in college for Introduction to Industrial Design. One of the top five classes I had there. Not only is he an incredibly smart guy, he's also very well rounded, with knowledge and background in all manner of subjects and interests, some well-known, others quite obscure. And he's absolutely one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. It only makes sense that he was hired there when they were just starting to implement the new curriculum, which has a much greater emphasis on diversity of learning.
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  46. Just Beautiful by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    This stuff is just beautiful. It makes me miss doing physics all the more. I was taught that ultimately we were just building models to explain and predict the real world and not to confuse the model with reality, whatever that is. But I've always had a thing for lovely models!

  47. Aptlets by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always enjoyed Greg Egan's gallery of applets illustrating the quantum physics that often underlie his splendiferous fiction. Egan is a scientist, a programmer, and a top notch fiction writer. I recommend _Diaspora_ first (the book is better than its applet) - its characters are quite good, the story interesting, the future vision compelling. And somewhere in the first 15% of the book, Egan blows your mind describing higher-dimensional quantum topology that's also integral (pun intended) to the story.

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  48. Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc by Chops+II · · Score: 1

    Hey, im no particle physicist, but arent quarks way to small for any of this to really matter anyway? They dont really have a look, taste, smell or sound, because the messengers that carry these signals are much bigger than quarks, and some are even made of quarks. For instance, smell is the nose bits working out what molecule is in the nose, and telling ur brain. Taste is similar, though with the tongue. Sound is a little wierd, in that i suppose you could work out the frequency that the quark is viabrating or something, but its not like when u hit it it dings, let alone the ding being large enough for air particles to create a wave form long enough to reach ur ear, let alone hear it. Looks, well, photons are too big for images of quarks, unless somehow something to do with DeBroglie wavelengths allows them to be small enough for enough of them to be deflected by a quarck so that a detailed image can be obtained. Anyway, i think, a parallel to these artists impressions would be the infr-red or heat goggles and the colours they display for each heat. They arent really the colours of heat or wed be seeing funny colours everywhere. In fact i dont believe heat is EM as light is, i believe that things that are in our general environment happen to emit EMR in the Infra-red range. Anyways, my point (sorry im not real good with the whole sticking to the subject thing) with the whole IR thing is that the colours are fake, to give information of its frequency, as in hot stuff is blue because hotter stuff emits higher frequency radiation, and the high end of the visible light spectrum is blue. Same for red, low heat emits low frequency, which corresponds to red light. Actually my point is its fake, and just gives some details via pictures, even though it is impossible to get pictures of them. Anyone wanna explain this better feel free, no, feel paid. Except not paid. Just feel paid. Because what would i know, im only a 16 yr old finisheing high school. I would like to know more.

  49. Photons as force carriers by nimblebrain · · Score: 1

    Seeing the photon rendition reminded me of virtual photons. I wonder how such art would represent virtual particles?

    Now, I have seen said in many places that virtual photons are the carriers of the electromagnetic force. With infinite range, the carrier would have to be of a class like a photon.

    What I haven't seen yet is a cogent explanation as to why a "colorless", chargeless particle could carry both the attractive (positive to negative) and repulsive (positive-positive or negative-negative) forces. I've seen some amazing somersaults and backflips like this, but little else.

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  50. Art...with a capital PH by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Since quarks are spin-1/2 particles they have to be rotated through 720 degrees to get back to their original state and not 360 degress like normal objects. So these pics are a long way from what an actual quark might look like (not to mention they label the W boson as neutral when it is actually charged!).

  51. Re:I may be in a devil's-advocate mood today, but. by dario_moreno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    exactly ; moreover, when you solve Schrödinger's equation for a molecule on a program like Gaussian, you end up with pictures of the electronic density which look most of the time surprisingly close to the old fashioned ball and stick representation.

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  52. Mod parent +1 Funny by Jamu · · Score: 1

    ...but it only works for spherical horses moving in a vacuum.

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  53. To be more detailed by benhocking · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I say quarks come in threes, I mean they come in multiples of three - usually -1, 0, or 1 multiple of 3.

    A few ways you can get to 3:
    • 1-1 quarks (quark/anti-quark). Examples: pions et al
    • 3 quarks. Examples: proton, neutron, $\Lambda^0$
    • -3 quarks. Examples: antiproton, antineutron, etc.
    • 2-2 quarks (2 quarks/2 anti-quarks). Defined as: 4-quarks
    • 4-1 quarks (4 quarks/1 anti-quark). Defined as pentaquarks
    • 1-4 quarks. Defined as anti-particles of above.
    • 6 quarks. Examples: neutron-pairs or proton-pairs
    • -6 quarks. Examples: anti-particles of above.
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    1. Re:To be more detailed by alva_edison · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that only fermions had three quarks,whereas bosons had two. Was I mistaken?

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  54. Re:Nobody will ever need more than 6 types of quar by mt-biker · · Score: 1

    Seems awfully shortsighted to me. I would hope that as we learn more about the quantum world, we will be able to develop more accurate visual models of it. Or am I missing something?

    Do you mean "accurate visual" in the sense of being more like what quark looks like, or a more accurate visualisation of it's characteristics?

    If you mean the former, then I think that Quantum Mechanics pretty much precludes that possibility - the more precisely a (very small) object's location is known, the less precisely it's momentum can be known (Ref.). I believe this is why electrons and the like are typically visualised as clouds.

  55. I've seen them by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    But you have to be quick.
    The moment you see them, they're gone, so it's hard to get a good look.

  56. Only partly mistaken by benhocking · · Score: 2, Informative

    Particles with 3 quarks are fermions, and particles with 2 quarks (or more exactly, 1 quark and 1 anti-quark) are bosons.

    However, fermions do not necessarily have 3 quarks, and bosons do not necessarily have 2 quarks. Any particle with a half-integer spin is a fermion. This includes electrons, neutrinos, and hadrons with an odd number of quark/anti-quarks. Any particle with an even-integer spin is a boson. This includes photons, gravitons, and hadrons with an even number of quark/anti-quarks. Neutron-pairs are bosons. This is important because it is responsible for the collapse of neutron stars.

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  57. excellent read by subtropolis · · Score: 1

    I've read it a couple of times (had it for ~10 years). IIRC, Shlain is a neurosurgeon.

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  58. Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc by gibson042 · · Score: 1
    I wonder what these quarks sound like, smell like, or feel like.
    I can't answer that, but taste at least is easy... they come in six fantastic flavors!
  59. What constitutes the principle? by game+kid · · Score: 1

    The most-recent-version-only-in-Google-cache part, or the part with the desperate prom date?

    (Me, I'm hoping for the desperate-prom-date part of course. My sorry, single ass could use one of those...)

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