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Doom Takes A Shot At Gamers
The Washington Post has a piece discussing the suck that is a movie based on a videogame. From the article: "At the heart of this competitive marriage is this question: How do you successfully turn an interactive experience (playing an Xbox game) into a passive one (watching a movie version of an Xbox game)? For whatever reasons, the recent crop of video game movies -- including 2003's 'House of the Dead' and this year's 'Alone in the Dark,' both helmed by the German director Uwe Boll -- have consistently disappointed gamers. Someone even started a Web site called Uwebollsucks.com. Is it for real? A joke? No one is sure."
A college "gaming club" that meets weekly for an hour to discuss gaming. Wow. I bet those are some popular guys on campus. How can they find a free hour between hot babes to get together and chat?!
The same way you successfully make any other movie: by focusing on the story.
The first person scenes just felt like they were stuck in at the last moment when someone mentioned, "Hey, wasn't there a game behind this?" It was a half-hearted attempt to appease gamers, as if the point of view was what made Doom what it was.
Now, how did they completely ignore gamers? Well, the very thin plot of the Doom game was completely tossed out. Hell? There's nothing hellish going on - it's all man-made trouble.
It would be a halfway decent action movie if it didn't have the name Doom attached to it (The Rock is great) but it does - so I give it a 4 out of 10.
DID YOUR MOM SERVE YOU AN EXTRA HELPING OF DUMB TONIGHT?
I thought that the Resident Evil movies were pretty good, but I like cheesy horror movies, so maybe that's why...
When you look at the state of the world, how can you not become a radical, liberal anarchist?
"WHERE IS CARMACK?"
You know they have failed us.
I don't think I've heard anyone, once, translate BFG into big force gun.
And why does a university club have a PR man?
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
Compared to the last ten year's crop of 'game' movies, Tron was new and exciting because:
Unfortunately the author didn't realise that Tron was actually not a 'tie-in', though the later released arcade game was.
It must be tough not to be able to use Google as a research tool.
It's Uwe Boll, I mean, It's Uwe Boll! He couldn't make a succes movie even if he copied the script of an existing blockbuster and watched every scene of it on his VHS player, frame by frame.
http://gamestorytelling.com/
I called Hollywood's bluff.
Now I'm on the run.
I'm an outlaw in this town.
I duck into a back door at the LA Convention center to lose them, and lo and behold it's E3--the video game industry's biggest expo. 50-cent towers over me, as the crowd whirls through the million-dollar diplays set up by Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Activision, Vivendi Universal, Electronic Arts. Doom, Half Life, Unreal, and GTA--they're all there.
And nobody gets it.
I'm the only one playing this game.
I duck on by the Unreal exhibit, and I run straight into a chain-link fence, hop it, and press up against a bus. It's got the Grand Theft Auto logo--I'm in Rock Star's hood.
The chicks are beautiful.
They're all dressed like strippers and fantasy fest vixens.
She walks amongst them.
I need her in order to win this game.
And so I begin talking to them.
"Hey--I'm Elliot."
"Hey."
"You play video games?"
"I hate video games," she laughs.
"You look like what's her face--Tomb Raider."
"Lara Croft."
"So what you do in Hollywood?"
"I'm trying to get my own TV show--I wanna be the Martha Stewart for my generation, but where she specialized in party favors, I'm gonna specialize in sex."
She's not the one.
Don't get me wrong--there was a time in my life when I'd Tucker Max on her at this point, but not tonight. Tucker Max is so 2003, and Richard Dawkins dictated that we must evolve.
The objective of this game is not to take her home.
Picking up women is all too easy these days. You remember that whole sexual revolution thing--well it totally backfired on women. And men. We're all in this together. Ask not for whom the bell tolls--it tolls for thee. "What God has joined together, let not man put assunder." Saying stuff like that makes me a wanted man in NY, LA, and DC.
I could go into it how our pump & dump economy is fundamentally tied to the disintegration of the family and the pornification of society, but that stuff bores me. Go read the Tipping Point or Freakonomics if you think God is dead and economics is the end all be all--they both miss the nature of decline, but that's the point--to enjoy yourself on the way down. And you can think you're smarter than everyone else because you've read the tipping point and now know that little things can make a big difference, people tend to like things that they like, and fashions and fads come and go.
But enough on that already--these days when you go out you have to duck to avoid women. Women were rasied on Sex and the City and hiphop. They were raised without fathers, and were then liberted from the patriarchy in college. They were commanded from the commercial pulpits on high to venture forth and conquer. I have let more than a few conquer me--in that ironic Dave Eggers sort of way, if you know what I mean.
Hooking up is easy--it's amazin they still write books on it.
But I'll tell you what's hard.
It's to find the girl who will write you a poem the next day.
It's hard to find someone who still believes.
In love.
Especially in LA.
At E3.
But that's what I'm looking for.
I live for high adventure games.
And there is none higher.
You can frag a million Unreal monsters, but that's for the kids.
A renaissance is what men live for.
And that's why I'm looking for her.
"So how'd you land this gig?"
http://gamestorytelling.com/
How do you successfully turn an interactive experience (playing an Xbox game) into a passive one (watching a movie version of an Xbox game)?
Ah, the genius of it:
Take a PC game and make a movie of it: Bad
Take a dumbed down for consoles version of a PC game and make a movie of the dumbed down version: It has Oscar written all over it.
Personally, I'm waiting for a movie based on the Gameboy Advance port of the Tony Hawk games. Movie based on a video game? Check. Based on an inferior port? Check. Skating movie? Check. Potential role for Christian Slater as a cameo, gleaming his cube for the Old Skool? Check. Authentic isometric sequence similar to Doom's authentic first person sequence? Check. Movie executives getting excited about the soundtrack appealing to the kids where the movie falls down? Check. The portents are all there. Now all they need is to figure out how Cedrick The Entertainer or Bernie Mac can star with Ashton Kutcher.
The story?
Have you played Doom? Ever?
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
The subject says it
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The upcoming Silent Hill Movie doesn't have a single hair of Boll on it, and that's got me hoping.
It's actually got some pretty strong talent behind it. The script's been refined by Roger Avary (who co-wrote Pulp Fiction, True Romance and Reservoir Dogs among others). It's being directed by Christophe Gans (Brotherhood of the Wolf), who can create pretty amazing atmospheres. And the original Silent Hill sound designer/composer Akira Yamaoka is doing the music. Not to mention starring Sean Bean (Boromir in LotR) and Radha Mitchell (Mary Barrie in Finding Neverland).
Apparently Avary and Gans spent hours playing the game together while coming up with the visuals and finer plot points, and even the special effects guys are saying it's like nothing they've worked on before.
So yeah, enough of my rampant fanboyism. This one has all the marks of breaking this horrible cycle.
vk.
'nuff said.
To add more detail for those who've not seen his Meaningless Obviously Vacant & Idiotic Eggheaded Shindigs aka "movies", they have appalling stories (yes, even considering the source material), terrible acting, horrendous special effects - they're just aweful! For some reason he thought it would be a good idea to show snippets of the original game footage in House of the Dead while Alone in the Dark used an anti-racism song in a terrible sex scene?!?!
Yet, somehow he keeps getting relatively big name projects, like Dungeon Seige, Bloodrayne, Far Cry, Hunter: The Reckoning and more! Someone just take him out, it'd be a whole lot cheaper than making piss-poor movies!
Damien
Doom of course was a PC game, for the newbies, and is also extremely old. Talk of a movie version has been going on for far to long so since that time consoles have caught up a bit and the third version actually seems to have made it into console land. Then again the 3rd version was all ready close to a movie. It certainly seemed to take a lesson from the alien series, make it so dark that you can't see the scary's. What is it with the future and nobody having the money for some decent lighting eh?
We all knew the movie was going to be bad. It is too simple for hollywood to understand. A marine on mars fighting the legions from hell. 1.5 hours of zero story and non-stop violence. Even george lucas could direct this one. Just stand behind him with a cattle prod and stimulate him not to include any comedy.
But no, they change all the basic settings and want to add a story. It is like the american version of Red Dwarf or wanting to add a love interest to Half-Life. Perhaps we should simply stop demanding more movies. I had better cinamtic experience with the cutscenes in x-wing then watching Revenge of the jedi. With the Doom3 game we already have our doom movie. All some good soul has to do is cut out all the 100th corner with a baddy around it bits and give us a 1 hour game with all the good bits and some better lighting. Then tape it and voila, Doom movie the right way.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
You mean the old pc I used to play Doom 1 was an Xbox ?
Damn, I could have made a fortune with that PII...
As for the story, well, yes, the synopsis stands just one word...
"Aaarrrrgh"
It takes 40+ muscles to frown, but only four to extend your arm and bitchslap the motherfucker
I Saw the Rock (is the the suppsoed to be capitalised ? Only if it's the band I guess) on The Daily Show. Hilarious interview, the guy actually does have comic talent (good on SNL too). He brought out a prop BFG, let Jon Stewart play with it and made tons of raucnhy jokes with and about Jon. A few of monsters from the game were mentioned as being in or out of the movie. He definitely said there were "nods" to the game's fans in some scenes. I'd say they're trying to reach out to the gaming audience, but aren't claiming to have based the movie strictly on the game continuity. I guess you'll recognize some stuff if you've played through the game.
The big point is this: the game is about a tough guy with big guns shooting monsters in the dark. So is the movie. It won't be as good as Aliens, but that's a tough one to match. It might not be as good as the first Mortal Kombat (from the FA, and an easier target) but if it doesn't suck or even has some cool stuff in it, it'd be worth a matinee if you like that kind of thing.
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Did they just say Doom is an Xbox game? PC port if anything.
"The story?
Have you played Doom? Ever?"
Weeeeelllll think about it. Doom isn't story driven, but at least it's a setting. So how do you turn that into a movie? Use the setting to tell a story. Where'd the monsters come from? Where is there a single marine there? Besides the obvious, what sort of conflicts would this character have? Etc.
Okay, it's still pretty shallow. But you know what? This would still make for an amusing parody. That was the charm of Red Vs. Blue. The world that Halo takes place in is fundamentally absurd. Cars with unlimited ammo? Respawning? The dude that was stuck with a pink uniform? Cute. "I've found armor! Now I can take a bullet to the face!"
"Derp de derp."
This Washington Post article was utter nonsense. It had two things in it that really irritated me. First was the quote from the one student giving the opinion something along the lines of "it's not oscar-worthy" or something like that. I don't know about my fellow slashdotters, but I don't go into many sci-fi movies thinking they have even a chance at scoring even a nomiation. Second was that unnecessary shot at both the Tron movie and game. I loved both very much, not to mention the new incarnation of Tron (Tron 2.0) was in my opinion, a spectacular game.
It's easy to tell this guy is either too young to have a decent opinion, too old and doesn't understand the gaming culture, or just some boob who got assigned to do this story and just concocted whatever mess he was able to find with an "I feel lucky" google search.
I don't expect Doom (the movie) to be great, but why should I? the game had a paper-thin story, but it was still fun for what it was. A mindless killing spree on Mars and in Hell. It looks like that's what the movie is too. I will see it and in all likeliehood, enjoy it.
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Face it, even having a strong fan base, gamers will NOT make up most of the market going to see a movie.
Look at Serenity and its loyal fanbase. While the movie was made as a thank you by Joss Whedon for the support his fan's game him for Firefly, the movie barely did 30 million at the box office. The movie was unapoligectially made for the fans of Firefly, and having spoken to a few non-browncoats, few could follow the movie or even enjoy it because they didn't have any Firefly background (there loss of course). As a fan, I loved it, but obviously there was only about 3 million of us that was interested in seeing the movie.
So, trying to make a movie appeal to gamers is the reason why a movie will fail as it will only appeal to a small segment of the viewing public.
The real reason why video game movies suck is because they are generally produced and written by the ADD riddled MTV generation "it" crowd of Hollywood, putting more emphasis on flash and action and no skilled story telling at all, having skipped that lesson back in art school. Yes, basing a movie on the vapid basis of a game really doesn't offer great material for the general movie going public.
Most games have a good backstory, that is, a story that explains why you are suddenly playing the game and why things are trying to kill you and you have to kill them first. After that back story, the game play plot is usually so devoid of content it isn't funny. It's because your adrenaline is pumping and heart pounding and nerves strained to the max that you derive any fun out of the game. But without those stimuli, if you were just to listen to the music soundtrack and the dialogue you would realize how very little story content is found in the game and just how badly it sucks.
People making video game movies try to duplicate that effect, produce a movie that will get your adreniline pumping and heart pounding, so that by the time your jacked up on sugar and caffiene and blown away by the special effects and explosions, you might overlook how there is about 10 minutes of actual dialogue and story stretched painfully into a loud obnoxious 90 minute movie. You will end up appleaing to a small number of customers and end up with low box office receipts.
So I think they have it all wrong. The success of a video game movie ISN'T to duplicate the gaming experience, that is where they have been failing all along. Get a good story, some decent actors, and balance action and energy with something that can fill in 90 minutes of cinema and that will appeal to a more general audience.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
The Washington post is supposed to be a reputable newspaper with a reputation for reliable informaiton. So why was this article not basic fact checked by anybody?
That is, anybody before us.
Come 'on everybody! Let's all pile on to poor Jose Antonio Vargas and point out everything he just plain got wrong.
I'll take the obvious ones.
1. Tron was not a videogame-turned-into-a-movie. It was an original movie about games in general. The videogame followed.
2. Doom cannot be categorized as an Xbox game. Doom has seen basically all of it's sales on the PC for about a dozen years, with the occasional port.
3. Console gaming and movies don't "crave" the 13 - 25 year old male audience. According to the Entertainmetn Software Association the average gamer age is 30, and 43% are female. This skewes a little lower on consoles, but the numbers are far better than the shallow stereotype Vargas passes as journalism. And hasn't box office gold been Date Movies?
Arguable points
1. Doom is not the Granddaddy of FPS games. Wolfenstein 3D is. Wolfenstein 3D begat Doom. There were other FPS games before Wolfie, but it was the first to see real commercial success.
2. Half-Life was based more on classic adventure games than Doom. It certainly didn't "follow the Doom model."
3. He points to Spielberg signing a deal to create 3 franchisable games for EA as a sign that the industry is at a crossroads. However, Spielberg has worked on games many times before, though his LucasArts and Dreamworks Interactive studios. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see him spend more time trying to alter the craft, but it's still nothing he hasn't done before.
As a side note: Movies are about why you do something. Games are about how you do something. Movies about "how" are hollow, and games about "why" are boring.
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Doom has been a mainstay for the PC gaming industry for well over a decade. To this day it is still the pioneer for multiplayer deathmatch and cooperative games in general and as the foundation for first person shooters (FPS). If you play any game, whether it be Metroid for the Gamecube, Halo for the Xbox or any other type of FPS game, you have Doom to thank. Doom launched the FPS genre to stardom. id had previously released the WWII FPS game Wolfenstein but the genre wasnt credited as taking off until Doom came into the picture.
First off, let me say that since Doom for the PC first came out over a decade ago I have been a die-hard fan. I have been a fan since the original shareware version of Doom and will always continue to be a fan due to the fact that it has been the most inspired game that I played back in the 1990s. To this day I still go back and replay the game, both in single-player and multi-player. I am however continuously concerned about any video game movie that graces the big screen. They usually suck, flat out. Doom does draw the first exception I think I have ever seen.
The director, producers and writers seemed to take great care to stick to the storyline as much as humanly possible and took great pride in the story that the Doom franchise presented. With that said, let me give my review.
Doom starts off with a prologue. You see a few scientists running away from "something". This "something" pulls the scientists through ceilings, floors (ala grating them in many pieces) and various other methods of morbid slaughter. Dr. Carmack (obvious homage to the game's creator) sends out a distress call to Earth shortly before becoming food for a giant creature that blasts his office door open.
Enter the marines on Earth after a nice rendition of the Doom logo on the big screen. Sarge (The Rock) takes center stage as the leader of the marine squad being dispatched to the Mars UAC facility. Shortly after assembling his octet-numbered squad we find them looking for the missing scientists and trying to retrieve data for the UAC complex. Only a small portion of the facility has been compromised so there are still a good number of UAC workers on-site.
After a while, Sarge and his crew quickly discover that there is more than meets the eye. There is a serum which ends up being the culprit, turning regular humans into these "monsters" Apparently this effect is selective to only certain people with disdainful DNA. "The Doom Guy" (see how long it takes you to figure out who he is) ends up saving the day with a nice final climax against the obvious if you have played "Doom 3".
The BFG 9000 (Bio Force Gun, yea right) makes a very big appearance several times as the weapon of choice for Sarge.
The storyline isn't stellar but it isn't anything to scoff at. This isn't Friday The 13th Part CXII: Jason In Space or Aliens but the feel is relatively similar if you don't follow the game series. The writing could also have been more refined than presented but it will do for a casual movie.
Except for the serum the movie follows the game (Doom 3) relatively well. Dont expect the good ol flying heads or Cyberdemon: The most you will see are imps and zombies since Hell isnt involved in the storyline (though Hell is referred to continuously).
There is a 5-7 minute segment in the movie where you go into First Person View with "The Doom Guy". It is during this sequence t
Just came back from this. The BFG is labled as the "Bio Force Gun" (you/The Rock sees a schematic on a computer screen). When The Rock actually gets his hands on it though, he walks around it and goes "Big. Fucking. Gun." :)
Its all good
when Doom was blamed for curupting America's youth on the news all the time, and now its getting a movie. Wonder how long before GTA gets a movie? Bets anyone?
Anybody read the books?
Anyone?
C'mon, you don't have to be ashamed.
I am.
Yeah.
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Just saw Doom tonight with friends and mixed company. We had a nice little demographic cut there, ranging from PC game geeks (like myself) to total noobs. And chicks, OMG!
:P
:P), but i'm probably trying to read into something that isn't there. :P
Anyways, if you're not a gamer, have never played Doom, or aren't the least bit interested in gratuitous violence - don't go. One guys girlfriend actually fell asleep during the movie, which was suprising to me given the abundance of loud noises, screaming, and overamped bass. However, if you are a gamer, have played doom, enjoy gratutious violence, and have a sense of humour - then by all means, go see it! You can skip the fancy theatres, just grab as many geeky friends as you can find, load up on your choice of alcohol/drugs/sugar, and HAVE FUN at the theatre. Yes its bad, but its bad in a good way. As long as you can let your expectations go, relax, and just revel in the stupidity, you'll have a blast. I sure did!
Now on to specifics.
Plot & Script: Yeaaaah there isn't much of a plot, as you might expect. 'Something Bad'(tm) happens on Mars. The 'RRTS' (good-guys) teleport over there, more stuff goes bad, people die, etc etc etc, curtain. What plot exists has virtually nothing to do with the videogame - no portal to hell, no 'demons', none of that - though references to hell are scattered throughout. The actual plot ends up being a lot more like Resident Evil. That is to say, bio-engineering + lack of ethics = zombies and other mean things. It's really fairly pointless, and although the movie does try to tackle the idea of Good vs Evil, Right and Wrong (and almost, ALMOST succeeding for a nanosecond), it just ends up getting in the way of shooting more stuff.
The script, unfortunatly, is just as bad. It doesn't even score points for having cool one-liners you can shout at friends later. For the most part its uninspired and just stupidly obvious. That, or its all screaming/yelling. Heck, the only real line I remember from the movie was "He has a condition. He's dead." or something to that effect. Its more like reading a cookbook than it is cool or poetic. Shucks.
Characters: The characters are a little hit and miss. There are about 11 major-ish characters in the movie (8 are marines), all fleshed out to various degrees. Some have lots of screentime but zero backstory (like Sarge), others feel more human (Reaper - this is intentional i'm sure). Some are funny/pitiful (The Kid), others just there for show & violence (Destroyer), and yet others who could have been completely cut out of the script with no ill effects (Mac). A big but expected dissapointment for me was the utterly horrible intro/outro of the characters. You basically have one scene that introduces all of the marines at once, yet doesn't explain jack about who they are. Then throughout the movie, people die, dissapear, and die again. The Samantha character literally crawls out of the movie and is never seen again 5 seconds before the credits. Oh well.
One thing the movie failed to do, or did very well (depending on your point of view), is leave the morality of some of the characters quite obscure until late in the flick. Is Portman evil or just stupid? What motivates Sarge? Is Duke a badass or a tender-heart? I found myself questioning the characters at times, which was both interesting and kind of revealing (asto how pointless many of them really were
Acting: Karl Urban (John 'Reaper' Grimm) is one of my favorite actors, and IMO he does pretty good with such an utterly craptastic script. Doom definitly does not feature some of The Rock's (Sarge) best acting however. A couple lines seem like they were almost flubbed but left in anyways due to the length of a cut. Overall however, he does get the "grrr soldier badass!" feeling out to you. Rosamund Pike (Samantha Grimm) is one of the best actors in the movie IMO, though i'm not sure if its because of
I had fairly low expectations, and there were even some plans in palce to guide me away from any press after the premier if I didn't like the movie, so I wouldn't say something "unproductive", but I was pleasantly surprised.
No, it isn't an oscar movie, but it definitely isn't Super Mario Brothers / Street Fighter / Double Dragon.
I do wish they had kept the true satanic / hellish theme, but I think they did a credible job with their alternate direction.
John Carmack
Action games lack story, obvious view. So bear with me as I try to explain why the original Doom actually had a pretty good one.
It's basically magnified Mary Shelley. You're battling against tides of evil, all unleashed by man's own hubris, his own self-congratulating experimentation. But Frankenstein's been around a while, so this much would just be cliche. So here's the real punch: the game actually makes you feel powerful towards the end of the game. For a while, you actually think you can take on hell and save the world.
Then you see a cute little bunny in a meadow, with its head on a pike. Shudder... The horror didn't stem from the imagery nearly as much as it stemmed from the reflection upon your own impotence before the march of impeneterable Doom (tm) (well, the imagery definitely helped).
Think about that. You're a complete badass with the Biggest Fucking Gun in the solar system. And you're a failure. It wasn't just horrifying because of the visceral graphics, it was also horrifying because of how it completed the arc of the main character, an arc they achieved without having him ever say a meaningful word. A modern Greek tragedy without any dialogue, that's no small accomplishment.
Doom isn't about blowing up monsters, it's about inevitable failure and crushing depression, brought on by the self-same technology that allows you, one tiny soldier, to maybe survive, if just for today. But save the planet? From Hell? Sorry.
Sure, this ignores the sequels, but it's hard enough defending one of the Doom games, so cut me some slack!!!
Yes, I have played Doom. I have played Doom II. Oh and I have played Doom III (same story as Doom, nice new engine). So yeah, Doom has a story line. This story, however, was not even remotely mimiced by the movie. I mean... there was no crazy mad scientist, there was no gate to hell, nothing! This movie was extremely entertaining. Yet to anyone who played the game, this should be extremely dissapointing.
-illumina+us "I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
Wait, Doom had a storyline?
The reason video game movies are having such a hard time is probably the same reason movie based video games are notoriously bad. For all but a rare few, you are taking a crappy movie or game and slapping a franchise logo on it in hopes it wrangles in some suckers. If you had a great movie or game, you would probably just let it stand on it's own so you wouldn't have to pay licensing etc.
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I've always had the opinion that with a video game -> movie thing you have two options.
1) Movie is exactly like the game and you don't want to see what you've already played. Movie sucks
2) Movie is not like the game exactly so you don't want to believe it. Movie sucks.
We need a new succinct way of describing "bad" when it comes to the dreck this asshat churns out.
they're just aweful!
Might I suggest: "just Uweful"?