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MIT Professor Fired over Fabricated Data

karvind writes "CNN is running a story where MIT has fired an associate professor of biology for fabricating data in a published scientific paper, in unpublished manuscripts, and in grant applications. Luk Van Parijs, 35, who was considered a rising star in the field of immunology research, admitted to the wrongdoing. The revelations are a serious blow to MIT, which prides itself on its reputation as a scientific powerhouse. The announcement also serves to answer the rumors that have been swirling on the campus since Van Parijs vanished from the campus more than a year ago and had his lab disbanded without any comment from the university. Readers may remember the infamous Jan Hendrik Schön from Bell labs."

285 comments

  1. What about philosophy professors? by madaxe42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They fabricate data all the time. We should fire them. :)

    1. Re:What about philosophy professors? by The+Famous+Brett+Wat · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a philosophy graduate, I have a question. What is this "data" of which you speak?

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    2. Re:What about philosophy professors? by planetoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Being a philosophy major, you'll find it behind the counter of your local Starbucks. Go forth and make Socrates proud, young thinker!

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    3. Re:What about philosophy professors? by www-xenu-dot-net · · Score: 1

      They fabricate data all the time. We should fire them. :) They are predestinated to do it, so you can't.

    4. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You know, when I studied philosophy, we actually had to know real things. Advanced logic, tons of history...In the branch I was in (Cognitive Science), we had a neuroanatomy requirement, and a good number of math and CS courses, which in turn required physics and yet still more math.

      Sad to see a philosophy major who thinks that he can learn it all in a chain coffee shop. Must be specializing in Continental "You want frys with that" philosophy.

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    5. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Might want to draw a distinction between analytic philosophy and continental philosophy there...If you knock analytic philosophy, you're kicking the underpinings of the scientific method and throwing more wood on the anti-science debate.

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    6. Re:What about philosophy professors? by planetoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know if you took my lighthearted sarcasm seriously, or if you're being counter-sarcastic beyond my own sarcasm-detecting abilities.

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    7. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not funny. Only the insecure / idiotic / impotent need to put others down in this fashion. The more intelligent the person, in my experience, the more likely they are to appreciate (and understand) the relevance and the contributions of all sorts of people in all sorts of fields.

    8. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Giant+Robot · · Score: 1

      LOL

      spoken like a true philosophy major :)

    9. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm just tired of the crap. I tell people I studied philosophy and they ask me retarded questions, "Durrr, so do we exist or not?"

      I spent my time learning to write automata with higher Turing scores than morons like that, and routinely work with logic loops that would make their tiny minds asplode, and I get crap because they think their business degree, or their non-programming I/S degree was more challenging than what I studied?

      It just pisses me off. It's not my fault a bunch of wankers in europe decided that their subjective experiences had external validity, and that their crackpot theories happened to fall into the fuzzy area between philosophy and religion, and it really irks me when people who know better draw no distinction between the two...It's like putting the ID people and the Evolution people in the same category.

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    10. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a sense of humor is a prerequisite to using the internet :-)

    11. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, talk about insecure.

    12. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like someone who got their degree then had to pay it off working at Starbucks.

    13. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually I wrote fiction and freelance coded for a couple of years, then moved to I/T full time.

      I kinda thought I wanted to be a writer at the time, but I found the hard satisfaction of coding to be more desirable than the ephemeral nature of "success" in writing, where the quality of your work had no relation to its value.

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    14. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must hurt real bad to get that 'insightful' just for your slur at those Europeans, isn't it?

      PS. Today's magic word is 'pansies'. Ha!

    15. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a professor of ancient philosophy, I can safely say that yes, we should be fired, since all we do is fabricate data!

    16. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 0
      I found the hard satisfaction of coding to be more desirable than the ephemeral nature of "success" in writing, where the quality of your work had no relation to its value.
      In coding the quality of your work has relation to its value? Forward me the memo! And cc my boss!!
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    17. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not insecurity. It's sticking up for a branch of study that's gotten the shaft in the last 80 years. I got three undergrad degrees (double major, with a minor that turned into a major), including straight up CompSci, so if I was ashamed of what I'd studied, I'd just pretend like I hadn't done it. You don't see me claiming my English degree all that often ;), though having classes filled with girls did make me the envy of all my CS peers.

      The thing about philosophy is that it's really about the process...If you want a branch of study that is completely focused on critical thinking, logical analysis, and proofs, philosophy is the best way to go, and the great thing about it is you don't have to go on and study metaphysics or any of the unpractical stuff if you don't want to...All the methods apply well to any other organized branch of study. Hardcore logic training has been invaluable to me in CS, much moreso than the 4 semesters of Calc I had to take.

      To me, having someone put down philosophy as a whole like it's only suitable for coffeehouses is the same as someone dismissing physics because it isn't in the bible.

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    18. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Pshh. There are plenty of Continental Philosophers in the US these days, that's just where the idea got it's start.

      Don't think I don't fume about whackjob American fundamentalism when I see it encroaching on other countries.

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    19. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Writing fiction, did didn't matter a damn bit how good it was. There was nothing like an objective standard.

      Code, on the other hand, is easy to measure. Does it run faster with fewer errors? Then it's better. Is coder A's code always better than coder B's? Coder A is a better coder.

      It's also nice to be able to finish a project, and watch it do something. If you write a good story and it gets published somewhere worthwhile, the only thing you get out of it is the admiration of women (and homosexuals), and the disdain of pretentious snobs everywhere. And a crappy paycheck.

      And I'm lying about the women thing. ;)

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    20. Re:What about philosophy professors? by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, that's quite accurate. If anyone chooses to peruse the last section in medical journals laying around hospitals they will find a "censure section" where researchers at various academic institutions routinely appear for what appears to be invalid data and/or non-replicatable experiments. MIT shows up frequently in this section.

    21. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a FUCKING JOKE! you know? funny ha ha? as conveyed by the (Score:5, Funny)
      if someone dismissed "physics because it isn't in the bible." i would hope you wouldn't even bother taking them seriously, so treat the coffehouse jib the same, especially seeing as how the author of the jib was actually being sarcastic about it.

      I.E lighten the fuck up. no one likes a tightass, philosophy major or not.

    22. Re:What about philosophy professors? by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Based on both what I've read about cognitive science and what you say in the "nephew posts," I don't know if you can really call it philosophy. There are philosophical elements to Cog Sci, but as you mention, there's also Computer Science, Psychology, Neurology, and whatever else people can cram in that has anything to do with the mind. Cognitive Science does sound really fucking cool, but I don't know if you can call it a "branch of Philosophy" per se. Philosophy of mind is a branch of philosophy, but philosophy of mind is only a subset of Cognitive Science.

      But I suppose you know better, and maybe you disagree. I suppose just as some people might say "Science is just a specialized form of philosophy," you could say that Cognitive Science is just a specialized form of Philosophy of Mind. I suppose I could phrase the concept as an analogy along the lines of, "Cognitive science is to philosophy and neurology as Sandwich-making is to baking and butchering."

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    23. Re:What about philosophy professors? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      If you write a good story and it gets published somewhere worthwhile, the only thing you get out of it is the admiration of women (and homosexuals), and the disdain of pretentious snobs everywhere. And a crappy paycheck.

      Tell that to Dan Brown! He took home a decent paycheck last year.

      I know, I know... He's not indicative of the majority of fiction authors...

    24. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed the joke. The joke was that the degree will only get you a job at Starbucks.

    25. Re:What about philosophy professors? by CowJason · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In your post, you were trying to defend philosophy from the /. masses. I admire this, and agree with most of what you said to them, but still I can't shake the feeling that I have to defend philosophy against you. I hope you can excuse the impropriety. ;)

      If I follow you, your problem with some varieties of philosophy is that they are "unpractical," as you put it. It isn't exactly clear which sorts of philosophy you are fingering here, so I'm going to consider two possible readings of what you specifically said. Before that though, I need to give everyone else a quick sketch of what doing philosophy in the 21st century means. It's my personal belief that a lot of the frustration that you and I both face when we're talking to people without a philosophy background is the fact that the discipline is shrouded in mystery. More than that, though, I need it to make my response to you make sense.

      Now, very roughly speaking, at the very highest level of abstraction there are three ways of "doing philosophy" in academia. You can be a historical scholar, a member of the Anglo-American (aka Analytic) School, or a member of the Continental School. The work of historical scholars are pretty straight forward: they take texts written by (frequently long) dead philosophers and they try to interpret them, or they try to demonstrate the relationships between different thinkers, or things like that. What they do is quite a bit like art historians or literature experts, only in a philosophical mode. Conversely, the Analytic School and the Continental School are concerned with the production of new thought: they are the two sides of what it sometimes refered to as the Split, because, starting around, oh, 1900, they stopped talking to each other. There are many differences between the two sides of the Split, but the ones that concern us here are just these: the Analytics are primarily interested in logic, rationality, and the physical sciences plus psychology and linguistics, while writting in a clear manner akin to scientific journals, and having their power in the UK and most US schools, while the Continentals are primarily interested in art and literary criticism, the social sciences, and what might be called "The Big Questions", while frequently writting in poetic if obscure manners, and having their power in France, Germany, and select schools in the US. Russell is the most commonly known analytic, while Sartre is the most commonly known continental. (And, IMHO, these are both tragedies.)

      There were huge generalizations made above I would want to fix in a formal setting (historians tend to either have continetnal or analytic tendencies, for instance), but it's good enough for the purpose at hand. To get back to your comment, then, there are two things you could be saying. Either (A) that history of philosophy, and subjecting colleges students to it is pointless because its unpractical, or (B) you could be taking a very hard analytic position against continental philosophy, that talking about the Being of Being or the Other or Deconstruction is pointless because it never matters in the real world, like, say Cognitive Science or Decision Theory does (One might imagine this argument ending with "Get a job, hippy!").

      Against (A) I'd say, okay, if you really want to be that hard-headed about the singular importance of science in human education, there's nothing really I can say, but, you are also saying that the humanities in general are without practical significance. Does learning history _really_ help us avoid repeating it? Maybe occasionally, but not enough to warrent the amount of money we spend on teaching it. And the other humanities, art history, the study of dead languages, literature, even many forms of abstract mathematics: there really can't be a good way to justify them. In my mind, however, learning these things just lead to better, fuller lives, not just because of the skills you get when you do it, but because it demonstrates to you t

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    26. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      In philosophy and on Slashdot, data is defined as the plural of opinion.

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    27. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

      To which the philsophy professors replied: "Data? We don't need data! We think and therefore it is!"

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    28. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Tell that to Dan Brown! He took home a decent paycheck last year. I know, I know... He's not indicative of the majority of fiction authors...

      He also doesn't qualify under the initial caveat of "If you write a good story"...

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    29. Re:What about philosophy professors? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Not every exists in order to be a means; somethings are just ends in themselves, and for them, they can be nothing but "unpractical." I believe philosophy to be one of these things.

      Though most people don't realize it (because they don't know what it is, really), mathematics is another of those things. Sure, someone occasionally finds a use for bits and pieces of what research mathematicians produce, but it's rare, and it's irrelevant to the work of the mathematicians.

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    30. Re:What about philosophy professors? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I'll be honest, I love the "unpractical" parts of philosophy.

      But selling it in this environment, you have to push the areas that they'll apreciate. And frankly, just getting people to understand that there is practical philosophy is an accomplishment.

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    31. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 0
      Code, on the other hand, is easy to measure.
      True. You can't beat LOC/day.
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    32. Re:What about philosophy professors? by Castar · · Score: 1

      But all of this is okay, because philosophy is not trying to be practical, nor is the criteria of practicality appropriate to it.

      Unless you're a pragmatist!

      I also have a philosophy degree. I recommend it for everyone. Like academic study in any field, the subject matter of what you learn is not the most important part - the important part is the modes of thought you go through while learning. It's about learning how to ask interesting questions, and how to explore potential answers. It's about learning what important thoughts have shaped the history of human experience, and how those thoughts have lead us to a deeper understanding of the world. It's also about learning how to examine ideas critically and discuss them in a meaningful way - it's no coincidence that philosophy is a good field of study for those wanting to be lawyers.

      I think the world would be a better place if everyone in it studied philosophy at one point or another.

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  2. As Einstein once said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

    1. Re:As Einstein once said... by Elad+Alon · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
      The let that professor /imagine/ he was not fired and that he is still being paid.
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    2. Re:As Einstein once said... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Einstein can say that...Because he had both.

      Most people who quote sayings like that use it because they lack one, and are trying to pretend like it's not important.

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    3. Re:As Einstein once said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid this is typical MIT. Remember David LaMacchia when he got caught running a BBS for stolen software? Not only did MIT do nothing against LaMacchia, they still let him graduate while the FBI pressed charges. LaMacchia had long been an active member of the Student Information Processing Board at MIT, the student group where many of MIT's core sys-admins learned their computing and their ethics, so *OF COURSE* they let slip to him that he was being investigated, after they helped the FBI figure out who was running it and were startled to discover it was one of their own people stupid enough to run a BBS pulling that much bandwidth and using a public computer in the cluster less than 20 yards from their office audibly, and being actually able to hear the disk revving up from their offices during weekends.

    4. Re:As Einstein once said... by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1
      Yes, but Einstein was actually applying that imagination to the conceptualization of theoretical constructs. As the full quote says,
      "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." - Albert Einstein
      Taken alone, imagination is largely without merit in the world of science unless it's specifically in aid of something else. It must be a means to an end, not an end unto itself.

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    5. Re:As Einstein once said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Most people who quote sayings like that use it because they lack one, and are trying to pretend like it's not important."

      most people who respond to the sarcastic use of the quote as seriously as you do, probably do so because they lack a sense of humor and are trying to pretend like it's not important.

    6. Re:As Einstein once said... by blippy · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

      To do is to be - Nietzsche. To be is to do - Sartre. Do be do be do - Sinatra

    7. Re:As Einstein once said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      core sys-admins learned their computing and their ethics

      One can only hope that people are not learning their ethics in college...

  3. Uh huh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Readers may remember the infamous Jan Hendrik Schön from Bell labs.
    Or they may not.
    1. Re:Uh huh. by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 2, Informative
      Or they may not.
      Which is why the summary links to more information about him, smart guy. Here's another link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hendrik_Sch%C3%B6 n
  4. Not at all by Eevee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The revelations are a serious blow to MIT, which prides itself on its reputation as a scientific powerhouse.

    Revealing a case of fraud strengthens their reputation. If they had let the case die in the darkness after dismissing him--that would lessen their reputation. But admitting that fraud has happened and that the school will not stand for it--that can only gain respect.

    1. Re:Not at all by lotus_out_law · · Score: 0

      Quite So.
      Just because they are professors, it doesn't mean they all are squeaky clean.
      There is always black sheep in any group, be it comprised of professors in MIT or laymen.

      The moot point here is that there was a system well in place to catch the erring person.
      Also that MIT publicly announced the same.

      This will do their reputation no harm at all.

      A sad thing is that the professor, Parijs, did not do any fabrication (from data till now) on his primary research, but only on some tangential research associated with his primary, which do *not* change the findings of the primary area of research.

      Really sad way to lose out on the reputation...

      kR/\/

    2. Re:Not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      At best this strengthens their reputation for tenuring fraudulent professors. Wake up to the world, kid.

    3. Re:Not at all by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      I don't imagine a whole lot of associate professors at MIT have tenure. Somewhere around 0, give or take 50%.

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    4. Re:Not at all by debrain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Revealing a case of fraud strengthens their reputation. If they had let the case die in the darkness after dismissing him--that would lessen their reputation. But admitting that fraud has happened and that the school will not stand for it--that can only gain respect.

      The blow is to MIT's hiring practice and peer review. An instance of fraud indicates that the faculty there is verifiably capable of fraud. It indicates that their hiring practices are not infalliable, as may have previously been thought, and to which there was previously no example to turn to. While it may not produce any overwhelming skepticism of their other results, particularly with their reaction, it does show a falliability in hiring practice, and a lack of internal peer review prior to publication.

      It is a blow to their reputation. MIT hired someone capable of lying, who lacks the foresight to expect to be caught in a system of skepticism and peer review, who is more ambitious than smart. Otherwise impecable hiring practices are tarnished by this mistake. Respect that may have been inherent and implicit to authors at MIT now stands next to the possibility fraud such as this. In my mind, this paints everyone who arrived at MIT in the same way with the same brush.

      While admirable, I do not think their reaction can actually produce greater respect than would have otherwise been there had they not hired a charlatan. The respect I hold for their reaction is different from, and in no way increases, my faith in their capacity to hire appropriately and produce reliable work. Their reaction was the lesser blow to reputation, and in my mind necessary. Had they let the case die in the darkness, if it ever came to light it would undermine their reputation, not tarnish it.

    5. Re:Not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't imagine a whole lot of associate professors at MIT have tenure. Somewhere around 0, give or take 50%. Um, hate to break this to you, but (at least at universities here in the States), associate professors have tenure by definition; tenure-track professors are called "assistant" professors. There's also "full" professors, but that's another level of seniority beyond mere tenure.

    6. Re:Not at all by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I do not agree that this reflects poorly on their hiring practices. There is no way to insure that the person that is hired will always, and at all times, show integrity. If there were yearly scandals of this sort, then yes, I would tend to agree with you that their hiring practices are poor. Since this appears to be a very uncommon trait at MIT, it would appear that their hiring practices are excellent. Again, there is no way that they can insure perfect integrity from all employees.

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    7. Re:Not at all by Maestro4k · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The blow is to MIT's hiring practice and peer review. An instance of fraud indicates that the faculty there is verifiably capable of fraud. It indicates that their hiring practices are not infalliable, as may have previously been thought, and to which there was previously no example to turn to. While it may not produce any overwhelming skepticism of their other results, particularly with their reaction, it does show a falliability in hiring practice, and a lack of internal peer review prior to publication.

      I know this is /. and RTFA is not common but I'll ask anyway. Did you RTFA? I suspect not as there's something pertinent at the end of it:

      The California Institute of Technology has launched its own investigation into Van Parijs' research, including work with Cal Tech President David Baltimore "on problems in immunology," said school spokeswoman Jill Perry.

      Van Parijs, who earned a doctorate in immunology from Harvard in 1997, was a postdoctural student at Cal Tech from 1998 to 2000.

      From this it appears this guy has done this before but never been caught. He had a clean record, and apparently had squeaked through peer reviews many times in the past already. On the other hand this may be just a red herring and it will turn out the guy was squeaky-clean before he was hired by MIT. In either case you can't blame MIT's hiring process.

      If the guy had been fabricating data in the past and gotten through peer review then he simply appeared to be an honest scientist. If he didn't fabricate data in the past but started after MIT hired him this also isn't the fault of the hiring process. The fault lays squarely at this guy's feet. He tried to cheat the system and he was finally caught. Until a fraudster is caught there's no way to know he's a fraudster so how exactly did you expect MIT's hiring process to magically figure out he was something other than he appeared to be based on his history?

      This incident doesn't make me think any less of MIT or their hiring process at all. In fact their handling of this bests most universities. He was put on immediate leave, locked out of his lab and given no opportunity to hide his misdeeds. They spent a YEAR investigating the charges thoroughly and are even turning the results over to the Feds for further action. While they can't magically figure out someone has committed undetected crimes/fabrications they can, and did, make sure that any allegations of such are taken VERY seriously.

    8. Re:Not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      do not agree that this reflects poorly on their hiring practices.
      Unfortunately it may make their entire tenure and promotion process suspect, not just hiring practices. It would weem that this guy is an associate prof. meaning he got tenure. Perhaps, some other tenure track in the same dept. might have been denied tenure. Other folks both at MIT and elsewhwere were probably denied needed grants that went to this fellow instead. This kind of stuff damages the lives of his peers and honest competitors.
  5. Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I quit my PhD aged 26 after being asked to make up my results.
    The university I was at was extremely poor and had hardly enough
    to teach undergrads. For years I thought that I was some kind of special
    over-ethical person, that anybody else would have have said "sure, I'll
    make make up my results". Then I got talking to other ex academics
    and what I discovered was like hidden child abuse, people were comming
    out everywhere and saying Yeah me too, I was cooerced into publishing
    rubbish or asked to just falsify results too.

    1. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name the university & department.

    2. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can name one that I was in where I saw a ton of data being fabricated and work stolen - the department of Computer and Information Science at the University of Pennsylvania, and in general the school of Engineering, where I got my Ph.D. I have had my work ripped off by Professors, and seen the same people even do this with Undergraduate summer projects. The area that I found most of this sort of stuff, including fabricating data, is in computer vision and robotics. Everyone is so busy publishing, no one ever checks the papers. The truth is most robotics stuff you hear in the news is some nonsense cooked up for media attention. Then the actual papers never carry out the stuff that the researchers claimed in the news. You know stuff like "MIT professor makes robot with emotions". What a lot of crap.

    3. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this flamebait? Have you ever BEEN in any of the engineering, science, and math academic departments that are ALWAYS dominated by Iranians and Chinese? If so, then you'd know just how conniving and DISHONEST many of them are.

      It is like saying, "you can't say that black people are especially susceptible to sickle cell anemia because that it discriminatory against blacks." The only thing is, everybody knows its true.

    4. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't a troll, this is true - it's not done in a dishonest fashion, it's done by students who are put under massive pressure to succeed - so they make stuff up. While I was a physics grad student there was another lab group who were doing research into Bose-Einstein condensate - 3 chinese guys, and indian guy, and a brit - the brit quit their group because he got sick of all the shit they were totally fabricating, in order to gain prestige between their peers.

    5. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait ? It may be flamebait, but I got Ph.D. in engineering and I was i a class with a lot of chinese students (Control theory). The Chinese students all cheated on the take home test. Then when the Prof. called one of them in his office about it and asks who he got his answers from, he fingers me, the only American in the class. And the idiot professor, with no evidence, believed him, since my scores had been lower the the scores that the Chinese mafia students were getting.

    6. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I quit my PhD aged 26 after being asked to make up my results.
      The university I was at was extremely poor and had hardly enough
      to teach undergrads. For years I thought that I was some kind of special
      over-ethical person, that anybody else would have have said "sure, I'll
      make make up my results". Then I got talking to other ex academics
      and what I discovered was like hidden child abuse, people were comming
      out everywhere and saying Yeah me too, I was cooerced into publishing
      rubbish or asked to just falsify results too."

      I'm a "tenured grad student" and never in my "career" have I been asked or pressured to make up results, nor have any of my peers ever mentioned that they have been.

    7. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a (funded) PhD student at a good university in the UK. While we have a lot of publication pressure here (good thing, in general), I have never heard of anyone making up data. Actually, I got out of my way to make sure that the statistics on my data are sound and reliable.

    8. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true. All of the Chinese-from-China in the mechanical engineering department at my uni cheat like _crazy_, from copying homework to copying on exams. It drives me nuts. Unfortunately, most profs don't seem to want to do the paperwork.

    9. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Did I not tell you to keep your trap shut about that?! Don't worry, Vinnie and Guido are on their way.

    10. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      I got[sic] out of my way to make sure that the statistics on my data are sound and reliable.
      s/are/look/
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    11. Re:Academia is corrupt to the core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your supervisor picked on you, stole your results, and asked you to falsify results? You should have just done what this guy did.

  6. the poor grad students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what's gonna happen to them? i'd imagine that's something you wouldn't put on a resume

    1. Re:the poor grad students by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Informative

      This sort of black mark generally means that the person will likely have to leave academia and research altogether. In research your integrity is everything. If you lie once, nobody knows if you won't lie again. Peer reviewed Journals will generally refuse your papers without reading them. No research body would risk your name going on one of their papers which would cause it to get red flagged for automatic refusal. It's a very grave situation which can't just be dismissed by "I made a mistake." The guy went through enough school to get a Ph.D., he knew what would happen if he got caught.

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    2. Re:the poor grad students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the effing post. He is talking about the grad students who were assigned to work for this guy.

    3. Re:the poor grad students by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      They'll most likely get reassigned to other professors, and perhaps will have learned to be more vigilant with regards to falsified data. This may be the best thing that has ever happened to them. They've seen what happens first hand when data is abused in such a fashion.

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    4. Re:the poor grad students by gaurzilla · · Score: 1

      Zhenan Bao for that matter is already an assistant prof at Stanford.
      http://chemeng.stanford.edu/01About_the_Department /03Faculty/Bao/bao.html

    5. Re:the poor grad students by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, I didn't read the subject as part of the comment. But um, there is a less angst-ridden way to mention that.

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    6. Re:the poor grad students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you going to cry?

    7. Re:the poor grad students by gaurzilla · · Score: 1

      Er .. yes.. I forgot to mention that she worked with Schon. The other guy from Bell Labs mentioned in the article? :-)

      Sorry about that. Go ahead and follow the links.

    8. Re:the poor grad students by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      I see a high school science teacher position in his future...

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    9. Re:the poor grad students by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
      But um, there is a less angst-ridden way to mention that.

      This is Slashdot. Are you new here?

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    10. Re:the poor grad students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you misunderstood the parent poster. He was talking about the grad students. That's an honest mistake, so I don't blame you for it. However, the people who modded you up should learn how to read.

    11. Re:the poor grad students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Phd produced an excellent post-doc proposal, one that has in the last 5 years taken fruit. I attached it to a Prof. with research grants in the tens of millions, and off we went. Rejected at the first hurdle. Turns out said Prof investigated (quietly, and without my knowledge) for fraud. End result. Every time similar proposal submitted, 'reject' score, without comment, has to be noted on grant proposal. I work in University IT now.

  7. Luk Van Parijs Response by Eugene+Webby · · Score: 5, Funny

    "And I wouldn't have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids!" Scoooby-Dooby-Doooo!

  8. Copyrights and gov funding by argoff · · Score: 1

    Here's my take. Copyrights combined with government funding distort the intellectual enviroment so that those who love science for the sake of the sience and the persuit of knowledge are punished, while those who are paper pushers for R&D grants and getting published in journals are rewarded.

    To take it on faith that knowledge and sience would never be persued or never be rewarding enough without them is ignorance.

  9. Credibility of Science / Creationists by thedogcow · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I seem to recall an article on Slashdot yesterday about the death of science in America. This does not help, particularly from a notorious research facility like MIT. This gives the gives the creationists more fire for their faux-arguments about how science is unbelievable and other garbage relating to Intelligent Design.

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    1. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be impressed when a creationist/IDist ever admits to lying.

    2. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by TomHandy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure they will try and twist it that way, but it's worth keeping in mind that we know about this precisely because scientists take things like making up data seriously, and try very hard to uncover those who would do it. The Intelligent Design side isn't quite so gung-ho in terms of caring about falsifying data (heck, or even providing data).

    3. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by www-xenu-dot-net · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This gives the gives the creationists more fire for their faux-arguments about how science is unbelievable and other garbage Yeah, or it could give some nut the idea that the exposing the fraudster is a serious blow to MITs academic credibility. Oh, wait... It's like saying it's a serious blow to the bank's credibility that they caught the robbers.

    4. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, all of the famous sci fabers (Bell Labs, MIT) were EU scientists.
      Solution: get rid of those cheese eatin' eurotrash profs.

    5. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Indeed. If MIT took the same attitude as typical Christians, they'd keep quiet, and when somebody discovered the falsity of the data, they'd say "well you weren't meant to take the data literally, it's just a metaphor!"

    6. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Those who wish creation or intelligent design to be seriously considered certainly have an interest in disproving competing scientific arguments by questioning the data or providing counterexamples. It's simply much harder for someone to provide a "counterexample" for a theory with a supreme being that can be used to explain any exceptions.

      Also, saying scientists "try very hard" to uncover falsified data implies that they scrutinize the published results... the professor here was turned in by colleagues who knew what he was doing. It sounds like he was only exposed due to others' ethics, not their attempts to verify his conclusions. I'd chalk this one up to morals, not the discipline of the scientific community at large. (If the scientific community had any level of discipline around verifying results, would we have these reports of what % of published research results are ultimately found incorrect?)

    7. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by The+Madd+Rapper · · Score: 1

      This gives the gives the creationists more fire for their faux-arguments about how science is unbelievable and other garbage relating to Intelligent Design.

      By a similar argument, scientists could say that creationism/intelligent design is wrong because some of its teachers rape little boys.

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    8. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      It's like saying it's a serious blow to the bank's credibility that they caught the robbers.

      Like it or not, most people will probably feel more secure putting their money in a bank that hasn't been robbed at all, than in one which has been robbed and then caught the robbers over a year later.

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    9. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Like it or not, most people will probably feel more secure putting their money in a bank that hasn't been robbed at all
      I suggest you go and research the differnece between X happening, and admitting that X has happened. Oh, and then maybe do some study on white collar crime, embezzlement, computer fraud, inside jobs and the like.
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    10. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Okay, okay: "a bank that isn't known to have been robbed at all," etc.

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    11. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      If that's an attempt to bash the Catholic church on it's stance on science, you should know that a previous pope already accepted evoluction as 'probably the way god did it'.

    12. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up and drive your SUV to church, you obese stupid fat cunt.

    13. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by endoplasmicMessenger · · Score: 1
      Not to mention things like the Piltdown Man. It took 40 years to realize that this was a hoax.

      Yeah, those ID folks are just not trustworthy, but no one on the Darwinian side of the fence has any ulterior motives.

      Dream on.

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    14. Re:Credibility of Science / Creationists by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      ID is not based on science.

      ID is based on a line of deductive reasoning, that says, "Life, specifically human life, is too complicated to to occure naturally. Since this is true according to our statistical mechanics, there must have been created by a supreme being. These people make crap up, or find some incompetant/unethical dipwad to run their numbers. Such as calculating the temprature of the background microwave radiation left over from the big bang. Then they promote this jackass as a reputable. Check out some of the scientific evolution links on crank.net

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  10. hrm... by blackcoot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    while it's rather alarming to see that the "best and brightest" can be a bunch of cheating bastards, it's good to see that the necessary controls are in place to find them out. unfortunately, i don't think this would ever work in my field (computer vision) because people tend to be very selective about the results they publish (i.e. they won't often show you what happens when things go wrong), choose poor test sequences (or fail to explicitly state the simplifying assumptions that made their choice of test sequence appropriate), and so on. if someone were to use sufficiently intimidating / esoteric math (especially if it were reasonably plausible math), they could probably fake a paper in some of the top journals and get away with it for several years.

    1. Re:hrm... by slavemowgli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You mean like this? To sum up the case quickly, this is a tool for the automatic creation of fake but real-looking "science papers" (ironically enough, developed at the MIT), and one such paper ("A Methodology for the Typical Unification of Access Points and Redundancy") was submitted to the 2005 World Multi-Conference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics, and actually accepted. At that point, of course, the authors of the tool wrote about it, the story hit Slashdot, and the organisers of the conference were quick to retract their acceptance...

      Still, I think it goes to show that if someone is actively trying to dishonest in the scientific community, it's not hard to get past the safeguards. Fabricating data is something that is (I guess) comparatively hard to detect, compared to an entire document that was written without any human intervention and thus shouldn't really make any kind of sense at all, but even the fake document wasn't detected. It sure makes you wonder how many people fabricating data are actually not caught and instead get away with it.

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    2. Re:hrm... by Tontoman · · Score: 1

      There are dishonest people in every profession. The academic community is no exception.

    3. Re:hrm... by syphax · · Score: 2, Informative


      There's a lot of unimportant crap that gets published in scientific journals and/or accepted for conferences (I know; I've written some of this crap). Important papers (published research that actually has implications for anyone other than the authors) tends to get reviewed more thoroughly- the whole "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" principle. That's not to say that fabrication doesn't happen, it's just that eventually it's going to get caught, at least for the stuff that matters. The issue is whether it gets caught sooner rather than later.

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    4. Re:hrm... by GileadGreene · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok, just to be clear here, the World Multi-Conference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics is a well-known waste of academic space. It regularly spams people requesting submissions, has no obvious standards, and will accept pretty much any paper the authors are willing to pay to have published. It has no safeguards. It also has no respect. The MIT tool was developed specifically to prove that the conference in question was a sham.

    5. Re:hrm... by Krach42 · · Score: 1

      Apparently at least back in the day, Paleo-anthropology had a real big problem with fraud. Piltdown Man comes to mind immediately. They presented their evidence, everyone said, "Yep, that's what we expected, excellent work", then the evidence was locked away without further examination.

      In modern years someone wanted to run some DNA tests on Piltdown Man and got permission. While the lab tech was drilling a whole to the marrow to try and find some DNA, they smelt burning bone. Fossilised bone doesn't burn (at least not with a hand drill.) and they found that the bones were not only modern age, but were also not even from the same animal.

      Anyone so deeply into the research as to know how things get done is pretty capable of falsifying just about anything.

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    6. Re:hrm... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You completely missed the point of the article you linked to. The "World Multi-Conference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics" is one of those academic "Conferences" that exist solely to make money. These conferences are a well known phenomenon used by organizers to make money on outrageous registration fees and by "attendees" to take vacations at their institute's expense. No reputable academic conference has such a thing as a "non-reviewed" paper. Even a cursory reading of the papers they submitted makes it obvious that it's random junk.

      It's true that it's possible to sneak fabricated data past the peer-review process, but I think the damage is self-limiting in a way. If your results are significant, people will be interested in duplicating your results... either as a way of understanding them better or to compare against their own work. If nobody is able to duplicate your results, you are likely to have your fraud caught sooner or later.

      If your results are not all that significant, it gets forgotten and nobody builds on your bad work so the scientific process itself isn't subverted although the dishonest researcher may have got an undeserved feather in his cap.

    7. Re:hrm... by kebes · · Score: 1

      As someone who works in science and academic research, let me say the following. The computer-generated paper that was accepted to a conference was hilariously ridiculous. The whole thing makes no sense. It's obvious that the conference organizers were not even reading the submissions. They were lazy. I don't think that would work for most conferences (when I organize a conference section, I definately read the submitted abstracts!), and certainly not for journal article submissions!

      The case of false data is much harder to detect. When I peer-review a paper, I can argue with their conclusions, but is is hard to argue with the data itself, unless it is obviously crazy or I can go and perform the experiment myself. Ultimately, however, I think data falsification in science falls into two categories:
      1. Quickly detected and the fraudster punished.
      2. Never detected, but ultimately pointless and not harmful to science.

      Why do I say this? Well, if someone is creating false data, then presumably it is because they want a quick way to the fame that comes with "amazing results." The problem with amazing results is that many other labs around the world will try to replicate the experiments or build upon the ground-breaking work. If this foundational work is all BS, all these other scientists will quickly run into problems, and the fraud will become painfully obvious. This is what happened with Schon. No one else in the world had his "magic touch" and after awhile it became obvious that he was just inventing results.

      In the second case, where the falsification is about smaller, less significant results... well typically the person won't get "ahead" due to their tampering... and if the result is not very significant, then it won't really affect the concensus in the field. It is surely a waste of time and money to fund someone who invents garbage, but science itself does not end up having "erroneous conclusions" slipped in.

      Again, as soon as a result becomes important (even if only important to a handful of scientists worldwide) it will be double-checked (even if, during research, you don't try to double-check other's results... it usually becomes that their results are wrong if they don't agree with yours or anyone else's.

    8. Re: hrm... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > while it's rather alarming to see that the "best and brightest" can be a bunch of cheating bastards

      According to an Assistant Dean at my alma mater, a very large fraction of the people who get busted for cheating are pre-meds.

      > if someone were to use sufficiently intimidating / esoteric math (especially if it were reasonably plausible math), they could probably fake a paper in some of the top journals and get away with it for several years.

      Check out the Bogdanov Affair. A couple of French brothers wrote dissertations so abstruse that their thesis advisors couldn't understand them, but agreed to grant them PhDs anyway, conditional on the publication of three peer-reviewed papers in respectable journals. Some physicists are now arguing that the papers are nothing more than technobabble.

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    9. Re:hrm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's good to see that the necessary controls are in place to find them out

      How would you know?

    10. Re:hrm... by starless · · Score: 1

      >No reputable academic conference has such a thing as a "non-reviewed" paper.

      In my field (astrophysics) I've never been to a conference where there's been any significant review of any type. i.e. conference papers are generally not reviewed.

  11. Not surprising by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    84.2% of all college level professors fabricate data. I have a source for this -- I just can't find it right now.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by jolande · · Score: 0

      Did you know that large percentage of statistics are made up?

    2. Re:Not surprising by Wisgary · · Score: 0
  12. slight modifying of data is done all the time by t35t0r · · Score: 1

    I know for a fact that many scientists slightly modify their results to make them look better all the time. Now, they probably don't blatantly fabricate data like this guy, but they sometimes tweak a number here or there so on initial deposition for publication every thing looks good to the reviewers (closes holes in their findings). This gives the researcher time to fix problems in their work while knowing that it will be published in the future with minor modifications.

    What incentive would a researcher have to fix minor problems if he/she knew that their findings would not be published anyways? They either try another journal or go onto another experiment. Why waste time, when time is grant money that is running out?

    1. Re:slight modifying of data is done all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a researcher, I find it very hard to believe that you know "many" scientists who do that.

  13. Huh? by LeonGeeste · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    What do copyrights have to do with anything? If you want to read the article, your university probably paid the (all things considered) small fee to get the journal, or it's available online. It's really a tiny cost. Fair use permits citation and excerpt quotes.

    And if you got rid of government funding, you wouldn't have much left (or so the conventional knowlege goes). I'd actually agree that gov. funding should be eliminated, but I don't see how it "distorts the intellectual environment". If you're claiming that "money" in general is corrupting, I don't know what to say. People who reserach for the hell of it do it either way; money convinces the greedy bastards to start contributing. It seems you're more blaming shortsightedness than money itself.

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    1. Re:Huh? by king-manic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if you got rid of government funding, you wouldn't have much left (or so the conventional knowlege goes). I'd actually agree that gov. funding should be eliminated, but I don't see how it "distorts the intellectual environment". If you're claiming that "money" in general is corrupting, I don't know what to say. People who reserach for the hell of it do it either way; money convinces the greedy bastards to start contributing. It seems you're more blaming shortsightedness than money itself.

      Most great leaps in science have been governments funded/nobility patronaged. Most incremental improvement of exsisting technlogoies come from corprate enviroments. Corprate research goes to where the money soon will be, this leads to near sighted research into only a few fields. We get better cars, but we won't derive new energy sources. This is where academic government funded research is for. They research the things that aren't profitable but are interesting to science. Gov. funding should never be eliminated unless you want science to degenerate into nothing more then incremental improvements of consumer products.

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    2. Re:Huh? by LeonGeeste · · Score: 0, Troll

      When you say something is "not profitable" what you really mean is "consumers don't want it." PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING ANALAYSIS BEFORE YOU IMITATE MOST SLASDHOT READERS WHO RESPOND TO ME BY IGNORING IMPORTANT CONTENT IN MY POST To be sure, consumers prefer "improvements in technology" to "no improvements in technology" - you can never beat "something" with "nothing". But that's not the choice here: you have to count the costs, not just the benefits. If you spend $100 billion dollars now to get a benefit of $160 billion fifty years from now that was a loss because the ROR was ~1%/year. You could have benefitted more people by sticking the money in a bank. In other words, the research cost you much better opportunities.

      (And please don't say "well you can't just count monetary savings, you have to count improvement in product quality" - because I am. Any benefit can be expressed equivalently, for purposes of comparison, in dollars via indifference curve analysis.)

      I'd estimate that when you tabulate the ROR on current long-term research, it's well below 1%, maybe even negative. Remember, you have to count all research costs, not just the costs of research that actually leads to something. Nor can you count research whose results are "force-fitted" into applications we can already do better and cheaper, like memory metal being used to check if fish were defrosted when a 50-cent memory thermometer can do the same thing (which I keep griping about).

      If all current long-term research funds were redirected into the private sector, corporations would "flush out" any significant gains from incremental improvements, at which point the ROR on more long-term activities would look more attractive and then they would invest in it.

      (Btw, this is kind of tangential - I was just questioning where the thread starter got his conclusion that government funding is corrupting.)

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    3. Re:Huh? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      If you spend $100 billion dollars now to get a benefit of $160 billion fifty years from now that was a loss because the ROR was ~1%/year.
      Without stating what the inflation (or deflation) rate is, such a calculation is meaningless and trivial.

      Just like you, Mr. SHOUTY. Now put your MBA back on the cereal box where it came from.

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    4. Re:Huh? by LeonGeeste · · Score: 0, Troll

      Okay... fine, dollars posited were given in nominal terms. In that case, it was a waste. Now let's say the dollars posited were given in real terms (i.e., year 2005 dollars). In that case, it was a waste.

      You're right that inflation needs to be a factor in calculations, but it really wasn't relevant to this particular example.

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    5. Re:Huh? by king-manic · · Score: 1

      When you say something is "not profitable" what you really mean is "consumers don't want it." PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING ANALAYSIS BEFORE YOU IMITATE MOST SLASDHOT READERS WHO RESPOND TO ME BY IGNORING IMPORTANT CONTENT IN MY POST To be sure, consumers prefer "improvements in technology" to "no improvements in technology" - you can never beat "something" with "nothing". But that's not the choice here: you have to count the costs, not just the benefits. If you spend $100 billion dollars now to get a benefit of $160 billion fifty years from now that was a loss because the ROR was ~1%/year. You could have benefitted more people by sticking the money in a bank. In other words, the research cost you much better opportunities.

      (And please don't say "well you can't just count monetary savings, you have to count improvement in product quality" - because I am. Any benefit can be expressed equivalently, for purposes of comparison, in dollars via indifference curve analysis.)

      I'd estimate that when you tabulate the ROR on current long-term research, it's well below 1%, maybe even negative. Remember, you have to count all research costs, not just the costs of research that actually leads to something. Nor can you count research whose results are "force-fitted" into applications we can already do better and cheaper, like memory metal being used to check if fish were defrosted when a 50-cent memory thermometer can do the same thing (which I keep griping about).

      If all current long-term research funds were redirected into the private sector, corporations would "flush out" any significant gains from incremental improvements, at which point the ROR on more long-term activities would look more attractive and then they would invest in it.

      (Btw, this is kind of tangential - I was just questioning where the thread starter got his conclusion that government funding is corrupting.)


      The return is imaterial, how do you calculate the return on the Lasers? How about gene sequencers? Restriction enzymes? Nanotech? ect..

      None of those fields were initially funded by corporations. They were essoteric research projects by small scale academic labs. Gov funding is essential. Revolutionary science like lasers/internet ect.. are too long term for corps. Corps excel at refinement but suck at pioneering.

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  14. "Blow" ? by Quixote · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The revelations are a serious blow to MIT, which prides itself on its reputation as a scientific powerhouse.

    Huh? It is a "blow" to their reputation iff they knew about the misconduct and did nothing about it. In this case it is clear that they took swift action. I would give kudos to MIT for reacting swiftly. Recall the conduct of other organizations like NYT in such instances.

    1. Re:"Blow" ? by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

      I agree. I was confused by the "blow" comment myself; they should be commended for upholding their principles and firing the guy.

      On the other hand, I'm not sure I would qualify this as acting "swiftly", as the misconduct was discovered in August of 2004....

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  15. Exactly. The problem is money. by CyricZ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Indeed, the main problem is money. They're not doing science for the sake of good science. They're doing science so they can make money (to live and to continue to do science to make money), and sometimes that may necessitate the modification of results and data.

    Just think about what could be done without the monetary restrictions, or even if they could be significantly reduced. If the US had instead used for scientific research the $200 billion they wasted on Iraq, who knows how far ahead of the world they could be. Investing that much money in something constructive, like scientific research, would reap tremendous benefits. Even half of that dollar figure could fund a lot of cutting-edge research.

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    1. Re:Exactly. The problem is money. by t35t0r · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Just think about what could be done without the monetary restrictions, or even if they could be significantly reduced. If the US had instead used for scientific research the $200 billion they wasted on Iraq, who knows how far ahead of the world they could be. Investing that much money in something constructive, like scientific research, would reap tremendous benefits. Even half of that dollar figure could fund a lot of cutting-edge research.

      Now, I don't want to change the subject, but waging war (when there is no threat that anything will happen to your own country) is a great way to inject growth into the economy. War destroys and then corporations have an incentive to get government grants (our tax dollars) to help rebuild another country's economy and everything we destroyed. Slowly but surely (like the Borg) the US will assimilate Iraqi culture like we do with everything else. In the process, more Iraqi's will lose their "traditional" values and practices, and a entire younger generations of Iraqi's will become another mindless consumer-oriented MTV generation. We will move our Walmarts, Home Depots, McDonalds, and Starbucks as well as big government contractors into Iraq (if these companies are not over there already). It's all about US hegemony. Let's force our way of life onto them. If you don't like it you can stagnate and die.

  16. Intellectual Design by adam31 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sometimes when an experiment doesn't go as hoped, its Creator must guide the results intelligently.

    Welcome to Science!

    1. Re:Intellectual Design by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes when an experiment doesn't go as hoped, its Creator must guide the results intelligently.

      Actually that sounds about right, especially from my experience at secondary school (aka High School). If you do a lab experiment, do something wrong and write up the results as you observed then you actually get a bad mark on your write-up. This actually encourages people to fudge the write-up and make it as the teacher expects. This is where I would like to see write-ups marked independently of the experimentation, to give more value to the procedure and observations, no matter how wrong the results mighte be. Maybe also encouraging the students to explain why they think the results differed from the expected results, to help make up for any experiemental errors.

      We learn from our mistakes as well as others, but if we chuck them into trash then no one stands to learn from them.

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    2. Re:Intellectual Design by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your school system must be different from mine!

      I won first place in the district science with an experient that FAILED. Yes, it didn't work!

      But I did good science, explained WHY it failed, and postulated appropriate requirements for success.

      It was also possible in my chemistry and physics classes to achieve a near-perfect score for an experiment that didn't work. You would only lose marks on the do-it-right part of the evaluation, so long as your write up was good and you explained your errors.

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    3. Re:Intellectual Design by everphilski · · Score: 1

      If you do a lab experiment, do something wrong and write up the results as you observed then you actually get a bad mark on your write-up.

      Thats why you, uh, do it right or you at least tell your lab prof "hey, this is what I observed but it is OBVIOUSLY WRONG: here are some possible explanations for the discrepancy." Dumbing down a science lab isn't going to help anyone...

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    4. Re:Intellectual Design by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 1

      Most good college professors encourage this type of behavior. Unfortunately, it's still a LOT easier to get the right results and not have to explain why the expected results didnt ocurr (most people dont know enough to explain why, let alone why NOT).

    5. Re:Intellectual Design by marat · · Score: 1

      Sometimes students are just given a piece of equipment and either have to produce expected results or prove it's dead. And proving this thing is not functional can require more knowledge and confidence than students usually have. As a result, machines are found from time to time broken for years upon inspection despite students managed to successfully finish their lab work on them every week until last.

    6. Re:Intellectual Design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are exactly right there. I must say however that responsible scientists in the practice of training other scientists are aware of the notion of which you speak and act accordingly.

      I am one of several organic chemistry lab instructors at Harvard; in my case I teach for the Harvard extension school, but it's all the same. I very strongly emphasize to all my students that the actual outcome of the experiments they conduct have absolutely no impact on their final lab scores. All that matters when I grade the student's lab reports is the quality of their observations, that they wrote down everything that happened, and did their best in the end to rationalize and explain what happened. So if a student runs a reaction and gets brown tar in the end when they theoretically should have gotten a nice white crystalline solid, I don't really care. If they write on the report every observation leading up to the brown tar, and then in the conclustion say, "We think the brown tar may have been the result of my lab partner and I forgetting to add some sodium hydroxide BEFORE we extracted the stuff with ether," they get 100% credit.

      Really sucks you had that experience in high school, I just want to say it's not the one I had and is definitely not the way things are done at most universities that I am aware of.

      -Ryan

  17. Happens all the time by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Informative
    I remember a DoE contract researcher years ago who was putting so much pressure on his techs they were giving him the results he wanted to see. But as long as he kept getting grants the lab was willing to cover it up, even though the director of QA/QC department was provided with enough detailed results to demonstrate the scientist was presenting falsified data. It wasn't just a little tweak here or there, these were completely bogus results.

    For going to the trouble of turning in the fraudulent research the tech had their phone tapped (which the lab later denied), was transferred out to a dingy little building in the middle of the desert to do menial tasks and just generally harassed until they eventually got another job.

    There's so much pressure for getting grant money that producing the results that will get more grant money is pretty much the norm, espeically in contract research. Everyone likes to think science is pure, but you're deluded if you think that. It's all about making sure you've got enough charge codes to bill your time and supporting that 200% overhead rate.

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    1. Re:Happens all the time by william_w_bush · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, but I've heard of this kind of thing happening quite frequently from my friends in the ahem, military equipment sector.

      Not that they say it happens to them, but the stories are ridiculous, with tests designed so they can't fail, or so failures are marked as partial successes, etc, because the project cannot have any black marks against it till acquisition... after which the govt will gladly pay to upgrade baselines to fix the flaws over the next decade. Check fas.org, but the first sparrow missle, the first line of tomahawks, b1 bomber, osprey, bradley's, even the proposed missle shield, all were/are acquired with obvious, mission-comprimising flaws that cost billions-10s of billions per project to fix. The problem is the acquisition system, especially congress's oversight, doesn't have an independent verification mechanism to prove that said equipment works within required parameters, and anyone who tries to say anything generally gets discharged from the military for going outside the chain of command and "comprimising the integrity of a classified project", even if the congressmen have clearance.

      So if you were ever curious why so many ex-military officers found surprisingly comfortable jobs in the defense sector, theres an idea.

      The corruption in the military-industrial complex goes beyond anything we can imagine in the private sector. Actual results being valued far less than pork per district works great in politics, but tends to hurt 2 politically defenseless groups, the taxpayers who fund these nightmares, and the poor troops who end up wondering why they have to bolt sheet metal onto their hummvees while people are shooting at them.

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    2. Re:Happens all the time by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      Why does this remind me of refurbished icbms crashing instead of dropping a satellite payload into polar orbit?

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    3. Re:Happens all the time by pbuxton · · Score: 1

      The problem is the acquisition system, especially congress's oversight, doesn't have an independent verification mechanism to prove that said equipment works within required parameters Sounds like your independent verification mechanism needs an independent verification mechanism. The military knows the flaws, but fudges the figures... for whom? It sounds like Congress can't be trusted to dispassionately evaluate mixed results. Which is what you get with experimental weapon designs! Some of the weapons systems you mentioned above are good performers. Shall we say the military has made a successful adaptation to the Congressional threat?

  18. Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Noam Chomsky's been fabricating fakeries and un-truths for years now and nobody cares as long as his fakeries and un-truths serve their political agendas.

  19. My physics professor by game+kid · · Score: 1

    My physics professor said something like that. To very loosely quote (and accordingly, I only use single marks): 'You have to understand the concepts, not memorize them. If you understand them, you do not forget them. It's hard to fudge the results; this is physics, not philosophy.' (After which, I, with 40 or so people in attendance, laughed in agreement.)

    (Damn, I almost put a semicolon at the end; I gotta lay off the C# a tad...it's like crack...)

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    1. Re:My physics professor by Sqwubbsy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Did your physics prof understand that his 'science' grew out of Philosophic Inquiry?
      Sure there are idiots in Philosophy, but it gave birth to all modern sciences.

    2. Re:My physics professor by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      Many people don't understand what philosophy, in general, is doing. Nor are they aware when they are engaging in philosophy or making philosophical assumptions. Scientists do it all the time.

      Let alone a historical perspective of where they came from.

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    3. Re:My physics professor by HawkingMattress · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You have to understand the concepts, not memorize them. If you understand them, you do not forget them. It's hard to fudge the results; this is physics, not philosophy

      My philosophy professors said that about philosophy too, and they didn't dismiss physics or mathematics while doing so, because they fully understood how they worked. Philosophy is more about logic than mathematics or physics are. If you don't undertand that, you didn't understood anything about philosophy. In fact, mathematics and physics are a concequence of philosphy, like C and lisp are concequence of computer science, but i won't even try to argue about that because you damn 'scientists' guys are so entranched in your way of thinking that you wouldn't be able to admit it anyway.
      And that's what's so ironic: you can have a philosophy guy admit anything if you can proove it, even things like "you don't exist". Why ? because if the logic behind the argument is irrefutable, it is by all means true unless you can proove otherwise. But scientists, who believe they have the finest logics that exists, can't be bothered with all this stuff because because you can't measure it, look at it, or quantify it. They're a subset of philosophy which deals whith tangible things, but they forgot it, and believe the science which gave them birth is crap because they don't understand it anymore. Total nonsense ...

    4. Re:My physics professor by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it basically philosophers/seers, inventing astrology, which begat astronomy, which was the mother of mathematics? I'd heard, long ago that astrology was actually the first 'science', which seems a bit ironic, today, with the debunking of it as a 'science', and all. But my question would be: Wouldn't the needs of a system to measure time and distance have most likely come from astrology, before there was commerce, or other human endeavors, requiring science and number theories, in general?

    5. Re:My physics professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't quite see how your characterisation applies to mathematics. There's quite a lot of mathematics that proceeds from counter-intuitive and even inane premises. Of course, there is a qualitative difference in that a mathematician wouldn't proceed from something that you cannot describe in any formal system, but only in human language. But somehow I don't think that's what you are after, is it?

    6. Re:My physics professor by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      Ok, ok, I'll have the fries. Quit bugging me.

    7. Re:My physics professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't know what math is.

  20. ohh cmon.. by himanshuabc · · Score: 0, Troll

    can't believe this.. a Harvard graduate fired from MIT omg!

  21. Rescience by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Science is based on the belief that experimental results can be replicated in repeated experiments. I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review. A formal procedure for extracting the experimental specification so the experiment is performed without the prior data included in the knowledge of the experimenter. Then a comparison by another party not performing either experiment, so the data comparison is "clean". That seems a very valuable process, in validating the original, finding differences still covered by the same theory, but available for more precision, as well as training scientists - both new and old. It seem replication for the purpose of disproving flawed theories would be the most important, and most common, scientific activity. Is the relative lack of it due to the "efficiency" of the corporate science business? Shouldn't academics be spending more time replicating?

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    1. Re:Rescience by 0xC2 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's not scientific fact until it's been reproduced independently by peers. "Organic Synthesis" was the only publication worth a damn for chemistry for that reason. The other publications publish science "conjecture". Way too much of that.

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    2. Re:Rescience by m0nstr42 · · Score: 1
      I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review.
      In alot of cases, this has to do with availability of equipment and materials. I used to work in a lab that had hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of dollars worth of equipment... alot of which was custom-made. So for another lab to reproduce our results, they would have to have most of the same equipment. So in order to systematically test the reproducibility of every published result... you can automatically double the research expenditures necessary... that or cut the activity in half and dedicate half of the people currently making their own progress to working on reproducing results.
    3. Re:Rescience by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I also figure that it's hard to get "untainted experimenters", especially in truly novel research, to repeat experiments without expectations conditioned by the original published results - which makes the subsequent experimenters different from the originals. Science can be a very tight-knit community: witness the WWW itself, and even just the history of the transnational community, in which science has always set the trend, wresting it away from religion. When new science is published, others competent to repeat it hear about it first - usually they've even heard about it during development, before results are even produced. Many teams contain people with close personal connections to the other experimenters, even to inclusion on the original team, or in a learning or mentor relationship. So "open minds" are rare, too. But it's all still not just important, but essential, to producing quality data.

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    4. Re:Rescience by Shihar · · Score: 1

      There actually IS a lot of repetition of work. Generally though, the way it goes is that one person does the trail blazing work, and then when the work is published. After it is published, someone reads it and is inspired to take that work further or in a new direction. When they go to take that work off in a new direction, they first repeat the results of the work that their work is based on. So, work is very often repeated, it just takes time and it usually is not repeated just for the sake of repetition.

    5. Re:Rescience by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review.

      One of the problems is that most journal papers do not provide enough information to actually repeat the experiments. Often there's a small, insignificant (!) but completely critical bit of information missing that prevents someone doing this. Even a reviewer probably wouldn't actually notice unless they are intimately familiar with that field and are actually working through the paper in great detail.

      Taking a slightly cynical viewpoint, it all stems from turning universities (and research) into a business, making it accountable. Grant money has become the be all and end all of research. To get grants you need papers. So publications are all that matters.

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    6. Re:Rescience by emilper · · Score: 1
      Science is based on the belief that experimental results can be replicated in repeated experiments. I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review
      1. because most of the time the raw data is not published and kept secret, only the conclusions are made public ... 2. because replicating somebody's else experiments, or checking somebody's else archaeological trenches and stratigraphy, or asking to see the sets of questions asked during a survey is the same as questioning the validity/corectness of that research, and is interpreted as "agression" ... 3. because, more and more often, science is not about knowledge, but just a job. Are the profets of "global warming" making their raw data public ? Hell, no ... they might lose access to grants such as those that allowed them to perform flawed research in the first place (not taking into account if the thermometers were on the top or the bottom of the meteo baloon etc.), and then publish "patches" upon "patches", corrections etc. Why let somebody else do it when you can do it and be certain of a cushy job until you retire?
    7. Re:Rescience by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      The fortune at the bottom of the page in which I'm posting this message says:

      "Each honest calling, each walk of life, has its own elite, its own aristocracy based on excellence of performance. -- James Bryant Conant"

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    8. Re:Rescience by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Do you have any examples of your assertion that scientists keep their raw data secret, even when published and peer reviewed? Or are you keeping your data secret?

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    9. Re:Rescience by emilper · · Score: 1

      ok, take a look at: ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/sdr/temp/natu re/MANNETAL98/ the famous hockey stick data What you have here is numbers already interpolated, normalized etc. This is not *raw*. I am not a climatologist, but I guess the arithmetic is the same everywhere, and "cleaning" your data is as easy as in the social sciences ... If you need/want to manipulate your data you don't have to lie ... you just have to choose the "right" sampling method or sample size, or to define in the "appropriate" manner what are the "irrelevant" bits ...

    10. Re:Rescience by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      They published the raw data, the source code that processed it, the sampling distribution of the instruments. That's not "secret data", though you might disagree with their published methods. Lots of people (though how many scientists is unclear) disagree with their methodology.

      You seem to have an ax to grind with regards to global warming. I've seen lots (really lots) of raw climate data published, and no credible complaints that data is secret. If you're going to claim that science generally is suppressing and/or falsifying data, you have to come up with more than one unpopular study. Because even if it is, that's not a statistically significant data point.

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    11. Re:Rescience by emilper · · Score: 1

      We might understand different things by "raw data" :)

      Let's say I expected to see images of transversal sections of tree trunks, the scale of the image, details on cameras and film used to take those pictures, data concerning the source of those pieces of wood, the species etc., and not numbers ... so I could check the growth rings on my own ... if I were a climatologist or a biologist :)

      If it was about an opinion poll, I would have liked to see not the numbers, but the whole stack of filled forms, to know how the interviewers were recruited and who were they, to read the transcripts from the focus groups, and to listen to the tapes recorded during the focus groups, to know where the exact spot and the exact time where each of those forms were supposed to have been filled etc. This is what I mean by raw data.

      No, I am not saying that "science generally is suppressing and/or falsifying data". I am saying that there is a lot more to science than data: scientists are human, and academias are no different than other "tribes", and the competition for resources goes quite the same way: sometimes the capital of authority goes before data and experiment, sometimes honest errors combined with the need to preserve status go in the way of honesty etc.

      You asked for an example. There were stories posted on ./ about hoaxes played by an exact science guy on social scientists or by journalists on mathematicians (acctually in that last case it seems that nobody is certain if it was a hoax or not) ... Those hoaxes worked because the jokers used the right language and the right references, i.e. played within the rules set by the relevant communities. This MIT guy managed to pull his stunt because he played within the rules, and on short term at least, it's more important to play within the rules than to play well. The "hockey stick" people put a lot of numbers on their site, and those numbers probably seem, and probably are, right to those in the field, so they are still in the game.

      Sometimes I have the feeling that staying in the game got more important than data, than reviewing other peoples' data or than having other people look critically at your data. Just play it safe and you'll go through the postgrads, get an assistantship, get to publish that stuff that you know very well brings nothing new to science, but only confirms the scientific prejudices of those marking your theses or evaluating your grant requests.

      How could a serial faker pull it? What kind of "research group" was that that did not notice until after he published the paper? Was he doing imunology research on his own, in a private lab, behind closed doors, or was he part of a team? Or maybe peer reviewing is not what it is said it is, and the sciences, both exact and social, are subject to secrecy, power strife, and "safe" games with terms and formulas? Would have Inteligent Design been considered if it was not supported by nice professors with cool beards and a tenure in some academic place?

      OK, enough ranting :) ... I'll go grind my axe some place else :)

  22. I hope the creationists go crazy about this. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I truly hope the creationists go insane about this. I hope they scrutinize every piece of scientific data they can find. Why is that? Because that'll make the data that much stronger. Indeed, it will help greatly if they can also help the scientists weed out false or incorrect results.

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    1. Re:I hope the creationists go crazy about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that is, the creationist/ID'ers aren't playing on a level field. When a scientist's published results don't jibe with reality, s/he has some tough explaining to do.

      When a Christian's assumptions don't jibe with reality, s/he can invoke the name of Jeebus, who will personally dunk your sorry ass in a lake o' fire if you don't STFU and toe the party line.

      This particular intellectual crisis is just an example of the system working as designed, weeding out propositions that are untrue for whatever reason. Religion offers no such checks and balances.

    2. Re:I hope the creationists go crazy about this. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      I know the creationist system is without merit.

      I'm just suggesting that their review of scientific material by such creationists is beneficial to all scientists. Their attempts to prove science wrong will weed out the results and data that may be falsified. That in turn will bolster the quality of scientific material.

      Indeed, we ideally would see a case where the intelligent design people completely prove themselves wrong, all due to their attempts to prove science wrong (but at the same time strengthening science by helping to eliminate bad data).

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    3. Re:I hope the creationists go crazy about this. by king-manic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know the creationist system is without merit.

      I'm just suggesting that their review of scientific material by such creationists is beneficial to all scientists. Their attempts to prove science wrong will weed out the results and data that may be falsified. That in turn will bolster the quality of scientific material.

      Indeed, we ideally would see a case where the intelligent design people completely prove themselves wrong, all due to their attempts to prove science wrong (but at the same time strengthening science by helping to eliminate bad data).


      The problem with this is Creationists often wouldn't understand the data. Just like a person with out a biological science degree wouldn't proteonics, a person with out a physics degree couldn't interpret linear collider data, ect... So the benifit would be 0. The information is already there to scrutinize but the Creationists wave their hand at it and say it's all fake/lies/the devil/clever trick by god to test faith/work of aliens ect...

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    4. Re:I hope the creationists go crazy about this. by Blue+Neon+Head · · Score: 1

      I'm just suggesting that their review of scientific material by such creationists is beneficial to all scientists. Their attempts to prove science wrong will weed out the results and data that may be falsified.

      The problem is that creationists generally don't make such attempts in good faith, nor do they have much appreciation for scientists' notion of what constitutes true falsification. They are advocates for an agenda, not impartial seekers of verifiable truth. (And yes, scientists aren't always honest and impartial either - but the scientific community still holds up impartiality as an ideal in a way creationists don't and can't.)

  23. This is unusual because.. by 278MorkandMindy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..he was caught out fabricating data, rather than letting the data the "didn't fit the curve" go unreported. Check out any medical research you like, you don't need to fabricate, just obscure...
    I love the research that shows a certain food additive killed mice who were predisposed to cancer (the cancer went wild) BUT didn't harm healthy mice.
    Simple logic thus tells us it is safe to eat. And we do.
    I will remember what the additive is.. I think you can put it with mashed up meat and the meat "gels together" to form nice steaks...

  24. His faculty page still available at archive.org by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They removed his faculty page from mit.edu but it is still avaiable at archive.org.

  25. Funding. by Thu25245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review.

    Just try getting a grant for "Doing exactly what this other guy already did, just to make sure."

    Yeah, it actually is important, but try explaining that to the bean counters. The best you can do is propose some sort of "continuation" and include the original experiment as a control group, and hope to verify it that way.

    1. Re:Funding. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      >> I've always wondered why the global scientific community doesn't do more replication of data as part of peer review.

      Just try getting a grant for "Doing exactly what this other guy already did, just to make sure."


      I don't think it is too far-fetched. If someone publishes a result that $RICH_PERSON doesn't like, there will be grant money for "verifing" it.

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    2. Re:Funding. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That was my impression, too. Though I would have quoted "Is the relative lack of it due to the "efficiency" of the corporate science business?" when replying to my post :\.

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  26. funny about this by jaxon6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked in the Biology department at MIT when this happened. While Van Parijs' lab was under renovations, he took up space on my floor. After that, our department(mini-department? sub-department?, whatever) provided some computing resources for their lab. I was the network/systems guy, so I took care of our machines in their lab.
    One day, I noticed that the Windows box in their lab wasn't responding and had been reported as haven been taken by the Cancer Center's sysadmin guy. I talked to a buddy of mine who sits across from me and did lab work for the Van Parijs. He called and asked about the machine. A couple of minutes later, the head of the Cancer Center called him and firmly told him to drop all inquries into said machine. He said it felt like the part of The Matrix where Neo gets the 'How are you going to talk without a mouth, Mr Anderson' line.
    That's when the shit hit the fan. I was a weekly regular at the Plough and Stars in Cambridge on Wednesdays, and the Van Parijs members made it out there every other week or so. After six weeks or so, the guys who confronted Luk finally started talking about it.
    It was quite the news in the department. I don't know about the rest of MIT, but all of Biology, and the CCR, Whitehead, and surrounding buildings knew about it since day one. It worked out well for the members of the lab. Everybody joined up with a different lab, except for one guy. He pretty much started working for himself. He's doing some post-doc work, and in light of what happened, the department just let him start doing his own thing until he finishes up.
    What I remember about Luk Van Parijs(other than that he had the most gorgeous Russian administrative assistant. I could write for hours about her. I mean, she was hot and she said things like 'I think my phone just did a core dump' Hi Masha!) was that he was pretty much a jerk. Not that remarkable being that for MIT professors this is the rule and not the exception, but a jerk nonetheless.

    Anyways, everybody thinks the New Scientist article was pretty scathing.

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    1. Re:funny about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, can you post some more details about the Admin Assitant. A hot picture will definitely be nice.

      I tried making a search for Masha at MIT's Bio department, though couldn't find anything :-(

    2. Re:funny about this by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      other than that he had the most gorgeous Russian administrative assistant. I could write for hours about her. I mean, she was hot and she said things like 'I think my phone just did a core dump' Hi Masha! - I am sure she is reading /. right now and soon she will reply to you with something like: -Oh! I think my /. account connection just did a core dump ;)

    3. Re:funny about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      ...the most gorgeous Russian administrative assistant. I could write for hours about her.

      OK, go ahead! Don't spare any steamy details.

    4. Re:funny about this by nyri · · Score: 1

      he had the most gorgeous Russian administrative assistant. I could write for hours about her. I mean, she was hot and she said things like 'I think my phone just did a core dump' Hi Masha!)

      Ok, I pick up that she has made a quite an impression on you. However, I fail to understand what lovable/funny/worth to mention is in a line 'I think my phode just did a core dump'. It's not funny and it's not sexy.

  27. Here is a more detailed account by geoffrobinson · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8230

    Here is how they noticed a pattern:
    Michael Borowitz, at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, says: "The shapes of the major clusters are often similar but in any system there is noise, and those noisy dots are in the same place too. That's hard to explain by biology. It is very difficult for me to believe that these were independent experiments." Borowitz is an expert in interpreting flow cytometry graphs, which he regularly uses to identity abnormal populations of cells in the blood and bone marrow of leukaemia patients.

    Three other experts contacted, including Paul Robinson, a professor of immunopharmacology and biomedical engineering and Director of the Flow Cytometry Labs at Purdue University in West Lafayette, say that the graphs appear concerningly alike.

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  28. I need a picture of Van Parijs. by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    With my copies of the GIMP and the Impact font, I'd put a red PWN3D!!1 on his face in no time.

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    1. Re:I need a picture of Van Parijs. by game+kid · · Score: 1

      ...and, for thy captures, ye shall receive thy own reward.

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  29. What about Dr. Soong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Noonian....Didn't he fabricate Data?
    hahahahahhahha
    Obscure Sci-Fi reference

    1. Re:What about Dr. Soong? by fbartho · · Score: 1

      psh. you're on slashdot and you think a reference to star trek would be considered obscure??

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  30. False results waste a LOT of time and money by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The problem with falsification is that it wastes far more time and money than it saves. In addition to any actual damages (such as, in health science, killing patients), every falsified result that makes it into the scientific literature is a blind alley that someone else has to go down to get at the truth.

    People who lose sight of that, and who make stuff up to submit, are not only disrespecting their peers, they are stealing time and effort from them. For example, I lost about six months of my life because a senior colleague falsified data that I needed in graduate school. We were in the business of flying a rocket payload to look at the Sun in extreme ultraviolet light. We calibrated the photographic film at a synchrotron facility at Stanford. Our senior colleague (who later went on to become a bigwig at SPIE and in NASA's Astrobiology program) was in charge of developing the film that we exposed, at great effort, to calibrated amounts of ultraviolet light emitted by the synchrotoron. He forgot (or something) to write down which process he used on which piece of film. As a result, a year later when we were analysing our images of the Sun we couldn't make any sense of them. It took a good six months of concentrated effort to eliminate all reasonable hypotheses about what had happened, and to conclude that the film processing notes from that calibration run were simply made up. Once we knew that, we could get reasonable (if not-as-good-as-we-hoped) results from the rocket flight, using earlier calibrations. If my colleague had fessed up immediately we would have lost a few days' work rather than six months.

    In the short term, the scientific refereeing process keeps out many honest mistakes or omissions, but anyone determined to deliberately slip fake results into a paper can probably get away with it. In the long term, though, there's no escape: anything made up will either be buried (because it turns out to be uninteresting or because no-one trusts it), or found out (because, if it is interesting, others will try to use or reproduce the result, and will niggle at it until the truth comes out).

    1. Re:False results waste a LOT of time and money by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 1

      Why did you not reveal this person's name? One of my colleagues works in NASA's astrobiology program and she would be glad to know who not to trust...

    2. Re:False results waste a LOT of time and money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the money wasted goes into the pockets of the falsifier and their department, and helps other fundraising. There is a huge incentive both to lie, and to keep any discovery of lies extremely quiet as the liar takes "administrative leave". Look how very little MIT has said about this.

      I once had a long talk with an MIT bureaucrat, the head of an MIT disciplinary board about MIT's refusal to act against behavior from their own personnel and students. He claimed that it was to protect the rights of the accused: material gathered under such an investigation does not have fifth amendment privileges, and things a person might not have to discuss ini court can be demanded by the disciplinary board, then subpoeneaed in a criminal investigation, so no disciplinary action ever proceeds while a legal investigation is in process.

      My opinion of this is that it is a complete whitewashing policy, allowing MIT to keep its name out of the press. It's consistent with the reaction I had when presenting an undergraduate laboraty presentation, where I pointed out that the TA had left all the expected lab results sitting out on a paper in the computer room during the lab, and I'd seen people read it. I was told to shut up and sit down before I could present additional analysis and data that would justify giving me a decent grade and showing that I, for one, had actually done the work.

    3. Re:False results waste a LOT of time and money by Alomex · · Score: 1

      He shouldn't reveal the person's name. For all we know it was a lab assistant who did the falsifying and the "big name" is none the wiser. Most papers are coauthored with grad students, and often the routine tasks such as, say developing pictures and writing down the process are done by them.

  31. Common Stuff by vectorian798 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh come on, you think this guy is the only one who did it? Let me ask you this: you have a hypothesis. You spend a ton of money from your grants and have your grad students spend a lot of their time trying to prove their hypothesis. The data you get is basically useless since it doesn't prove or disprove anything. Do you just say "New research into immunology finds nothing?" Of course not.

    We VERY rarely hear of research actually failing, when in fact we should be hearing it ALL THE TIME since taking stabs at new ideas shouldn't be successful all the time. Failure should be a natural part of research, and there really shouldn't be an urge to have to make your research fruitful everytime. Unfortunately, no one would actually do this even if they agreed with the thought - people would only expect other people to follow the rule.

    It's not like it matters too much regardless - 90% of research papers are bullshit wrapped in a myriad of technical jargon which makes it seem like they achieved something ridiculously important.

    My 2 cents.

    1. Re:Common Stuff by l3v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      we should be hearing it ALL THE TIME since taking stabs at new ideas shouldn't be successful all the time

      Thing is, if you're working on an idea, and the solution you try doesn't seem to work [which happens quite frequently], you just move on, and eventually you'll be able to solve the problem someway. If too much time is spent and no viable solution seems to be found, then it's time to move on, unless you have unlimited time and resources to waste. Havign said that, outsiders don't usually hear about failed ideas because 1). if a solution is found, it is published, the failures are not, 2). a funded project usually doesn't have such explicitely narrow goals that it only would have one and only one solution which means at least some parts will be done/finished/solved/etc and then it's prettier to say it's partially successfull than to say it's mostly a failure.

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    2. Re:Common Stuff by Carmelbuck · · Score: 1
      The "VERY rarely hear of research failing" bit has already been addressed--of course things that don't work don't get published and announced. It's certainly not true that things never fail--I know way too many people who have been involved in projects that didn't work out for years and were abandoned (and yes, funding lost), and this at a school that's regarded as the best in the world in their subfield. And in fact, negative results are often as interesting as--or more so--than getting what you expected. I'm coming up on two years spent on a project that started as a one month "let's make sure this is really what happens" exercise--surprise, that isn't what really happens.

      And I can't really believe that you've read the scientific literature, given your last paragraph. Of course papers state their relevence to their particular area, but you can't seriously look through journals (except perhaps Science or Nature, which are supposed to be publishing only the ground-breaking stuff) and get the idea that these people believe that their work is earth-shattering. We all know that the vast majority of us are adding only little bits and pieces to the overall puzzle.

    3. Re:Common Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The basic problem is the competitive grant funding model. Whatever happens, you need to represent your project as a success. If you were able to work on secure funding, not just tenure but also a constant level of funding for grad students, then you might be able to devote some time to simply reproducing important results reported by others.

      Another problem is that simply redoing work of others does not make for a good publication, and neither does reporting that "this approach did not work". Everyone is painting their latest work as a momentous advance, since that is what is expected.

    4. Re:Common Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a graduate student, I do understand the temptation to falsify results. It's even worse in an institution like MIT's CCR because positive results for a drug can lead to an enormous financial gain.

      Despite the temptation, it is the duty of academics to uphold the highest standards. If your motivation is to profit significantly from your work, I firmly believe that you shouldn't work in academia.

      Tethering a strong profit motive to specific results makes the temptation too strong.

      Unfortunately, not all schools respond to such revelations in the honorable way MIT did. There can be significant institutional pressure to falsify results.

      A disturbingly similar situation occurred recently at my institution, Arizona State University.

      Dr. George R. Pettit is a reagent's professor in the department of chemistry and biochemistry. He has made it his life's work to develop treatments for cancer derived from natural products. He has a very strong sense of ethics and has consistently made enormous effort to avoid even the possible appearance of impropriety.

      Dr. Pettit built Arizona State University's Cancer Research Institute (now Center for Cancer Research) through private donations and grants. He has had ample opportunity to profit greatly his work but has refused to compromise his ethics and scientific duties.

      Several years ago, Arizona State Universtity started the Biodesign Institute. The primary purpose of the Biodesign Institute is to capitalize on scientific research in biologically related fields. Although, I agree that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with attempting to funnel the profits of academic endeavorers back into the university, the Biodesign Institute has become a place where profit is paramount.

      It came to Dr. Pettit's attention that one of his collaborators, a member of the Biodesign Institute, falsified immunology data for an experimental compound. Dr. Pettit immediately brought this to the attention of the board of reagents and the university president.

      Dr. Pettit was rewarded for his actions with a long legal battle as well as personal and professional attacks against him. To the best of my knowledge, there have been no repercussions for the researcher who falsified their data.

      The Biodesign Institute has since absorbed the Cancer Research Institute and renamed it the Center for Cancer Research. Dr. Pettit has been slowly winning his legal battles but has had to take on significant personal debt and hardship to do so.

    5. Re:Common Stuff by smenor · · Score: 1

      Reporting negative results may not make a good paper but it's vitally important to the progress of science.

      If you do something that doesn't work and don't say so in press, I could spend years replicating the same work and finding out for myself that I've just 'wasted' that time working on something that doesn't work.

      An interesting side-note is that pharmaceutical companies often force researchers to sign a "Materials Transfer Agreement" (MTA) if they want to work with the company's experimental drugs.

      It is very common for MTAs to include a clause that stipulates that all results must be cleared through the pharmaceutical company before being published. Just by chance, it happens that negative results are typically not approved for publication while positive results are.

    6. Re:Common Stuff by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``You spend a ton of money from your grants and have your grad students spend a lot of their time trying to prove their hypothesis.''

      And that's where it goes wrong. If you start out with a desire to find a certain outcome, you're already one step down the dark path. The point in doing research is that you find out things you didn't know yet, not that you find what you think you should find. In fact, the most interesting discoveries are often those where the results where different from what was expected.

      The notion of a desirable outcome is, of course, strengthened by a system where vast sums of money flow to projects whose results can be immediately used by the donators, and not to the other projects, even if they are just as important, and a culture with an emphasis on publication.

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    7. Re:Common Stuff by Fafnir43 · · Score: 1

      We very rarely hear of research actually failing because it's hardly a newsworthy event. Very few scientific journals are going to print anything about a useless result when there are so many results that actually have a bearing on modern science to be published - at least, unless the experiment is very high profile. For similar reasons, when an experiment fails, the scientist's natural reaction is to try again rather than to publish, at least unless there's no other option (as in your example). In other words, failures HAPPEN all the time - we just don't get to hear about them because normally they're neither a major setback nor newsworthy.

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    8. Re:Common Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We VERY rarely hear of research actually failing, when in fact we should be hearing it ALL THE TIME since taking stabs at new ideas shouldn't be successful all the time.

      This is exactly why the Journal of Articles in Support of the Null Hypothesis was created. We should be hearing about these results but other journals are biased against their publication.

    9. Re:Common Stuff by Blue+Neon+Head · · Score: 2, Informative

      We VERY rarely hear of research actually failing, when in fact we should be hearing it ALL THE TIME since taking stabs at new ideas shouldn't be successful all the time.

      Oh, research does fail all the time, believe me. In fact, right before I wrote this, one of my own experimental setups came up with disappointing results.

      The reason you don't hear about it is that no one tends to publish the negative results - they're usually not nearly as interesting (or profitable) as the positive ones. I will not get a paper out of the experiment I just ran, for instance - instead, I will probably change my setup or hypothesis, and try running other ones.

      It is unfortunate that this happens, though - sometimes this can produce what is known as the "file drawer effect", where positive results from one study are not compared against unpublished negative results in similar experiments.

  32. David Baltimore by solman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The CNN article says that the fired researcher had worked at CalTech for three years and that some of his collaborative work with former MIT professor and outgoing Caltech president David Baltimore, is being examined for fraud.

    Baltimore has previously been caught, at a minimum, refusing to take scientific misconduct seriously.

    Even if no wrongdoing is found on David Baltimore's part (as I think is likely) this incident will still be taken as further evidence that when strong action is not taken against an environment that is permissive of misconduct, the misconduct is likely to grow.

    1. Re:David Baltimore by nucal · · Score: 1
      Baltimore and Thereza Imanishi-Kari were eventually exonerated, the whole issue was a combination of a Congressional witch hunt and sour grapes by the "whistle blower", Margot O'Toole. link

      However, I wonder what it is in addition to the Nobel Prize about David Baltimore that attracts all this nonsense in the first place.

  33. Re:This is what you get with F/OSS by Wavicle · · Score: 1

    Basically, the underlying philosophy of Free/Open Source Software is that it is alright to copy someone else's work, as long as you make your changes public.

    Kind of a negative phrasing of it, but yes. That's the idea.

    This inevitably encourages people to take the 'path of least resistance', completing their project in less time but only contributing a fraction of the total work.

    Yes, we usually refer to it as "standing on the shoulders of giants." But this is in no way limited to FOSS. When I worked at a large IT company the chief software architect's mantra was "it is cheaper to buy than to build!" He wasn't real particular about FOSS, his point was if we could buy something off the shelf, we should always do that instead of making it ourselves. Putting something in the development pipeline was a slow, expensive process: Gather requirements, write up the use cases, design the software, review, do the actual coding, do code reviews, write up a test plan, send it through QA.

    This laxity, or laziness, is soon seen as the norm.

    This laxity or laziness most major corporations would call "efficient." Seriously, software development is expensive.

    Lo and behold, when someone at a F/OSS software-heavy campus like MIT starts a project and finds that no-one has done the heavy lifting for him already, he still sees it as his right to get full reward with fractional work.

    I don't follow exactly what you're saying. If someone uses Linux + Apache + MySQL + PHP to make a piece of weblog software, do they deserve no credit because LAMP provides for 99% of all the code?

    It really is too bad - given all the real advantages of F/OSS, like the Open Source - but I think F/OSS should be curtailed, or even counter-legalized, in order to stop the decline in American work ethic and scientific rigour.

    This is a fantastic jump of logic. From not having to pay money for a software license to falsifying data? Wow! How does paying money for a software license somehow make scientists more honest?

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  34. All college professors fabricate data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they just call it statistics.

    In all seriousness the fabrication of data is not as much of a problem in academia as improper use of statistical methods, poor coding procedures, and poor data collection are.

    1. Re:All college professors fabricate data... by wshwe · · Score: 1

      The pressure to publish papers and secure grant funding is great. Data fabrication is much more common than people realize. Unfortunately the scientific community usually sweeps things under the rug. This is the dirty little secret of science.

    2. Re:All college professors fabricate data... by smenor · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I'm crazy but saying 'everyone else does it' or that it's in the gray area doesn't justify it or make it right, in my mind.

      At best, it just means that there's a pervasive culture of 'justifiable dishonesty' in academia.

      It'd be bad enough to falsify results in a case where it really didn't matter (if there ever were such a thing). In the case of health sciences, though, we're talking about falsifying results that may make something that's utterly ineffective appear to be an effective treatment for a terminal illness or that may sweep significant potential side-effects under the rug.

      In the case of drugs, the cost of falsified claims can easily amount to hundreds of millions or billions of dollars of wasted research money for pharmaceutical companies, exposure to costly lawsuits - not to mention human lives.

  35. Don't fire them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Serves that Professor right for belonging to the wrong party. The proper handling for leftist frauds (aka originalist thinkers) is to give them pay raises.

    The University of Colorado at Boulder decided to give Professor Ward Churchill a raise, recognizing his creativity in falsely claiming to be a native american, fabricating a special ops military career, stealing other people's art and claiming it as his own, "borrowing" others written works and in general, being an intellectual fraud. Investigations into his education have raised questions about the legitimacy of his degrees.

    Unfortunately, the year-long "investigation" by his peers down here has mostly been an attempt to placate critics until the complaints die down (actually some have suggested it's more about telling the governor and the state to stay out of how UCB runs their university). Apparently it is acceptable to be a white man who steals from native american peoples and cheats students, universities and society in general as long as one is a politically correct "progressive" person.

  36. Hah! by avalys · · Score: 4, Funny

    We here at MIT find it quite humorous when someone suggests that this reflects badly on the Institute, given that the person in question was educated at Harvard and Caltech.

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    1. Re:Hah! by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We here at MIT find it quite humorous when someone suggests that this reflects badly on the Institute, given that the person in question was educated at Harvard and Caltech.

      He was educated at Caltech by David Baltimore, a long-time MIT professor. So we might also suggest that MIT quit polluting the rest of academia?

      Incidentally, this isn't the first time that Baltimore has been tied to academic fraud scandal. One would hope it's coincidence.

  37. Not the greatest timing... by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you say is true, however, this isn't really the greatest timing for a story to break on the fact that scientists sometimes fabricate their data. This provides a rather juicy opportunity for the various anti-science forces out there to point to this and say "See, scientists aren't the pristine investigators of truth that they would like us to believe! This one got caught, but how many others are doing the same thing right now? That's why we need to keep an open mind about {intelligent design, alternative medicine, bigfoot, global warming is a myth, etc.}."

    You and I may see this story as evidence of the scientific system working the way it is supposed to. I suspect that the public will see this as evidence that science doesn't have a monopoly on the truth and maybe we ought to give those creationists equal time. Like I said, this isn't the greatest time for this story to break.

    GMD

    1. Re:Not the greatest timing... by redfieldp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think including alternative medicine with the other topics you mention is pretty short sighted. To think that we have all the medical answers, and that there aren't other medications or treatments that western medicine might not know about is ignorant. Take for instance pressure points: no western doctor or treatment explains or addresses them. However, I'll tell you right now that there are a great many instances where accupressure/puncture can make huge differences in a number of maladies.

    2. Re:Not the greatest timing... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      What you say is true, however, this isn't really the greatest timing for a story to break on the fact that scientists sometimes fabricate their data.

      Why? Because it casts a little doubt on the credibility of proponents on both sides of the debate? Everyone but an absolute moron knows that scientists occasionally fabricate (or fudge) data, either for personal glory, or to please their sponsors.

      If you think this is bad press for scientists, wait till you see what happens to this guy.

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    3. Re:Not the greatest timing... by Dwonis · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What you say is true, however, this isn't really the greatest timing for a story to break on the fact that scientists sometimes fabricate their data.

      I would think that such people are, by definition, not scientists.

    4. Re:Not the greatest timing... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 0
      That's why we need to keep an open mind about {intelligent design, alternative medicine, bigfoot, global warming is a myth, etc.}.
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    5. Re:Not the greatest timing... by Goonie · · Score: 1
      That's getting a bit too close to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy for mine. While I agree that it is not normative behaviour for scientists to falsify data, people purporting to be conducting legitimate science, and with perfectly respectable academic credentials, sadly sometimes do so. It is damaging to science for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the effect it can have on the careers of those who *report* scientific fraud (as they often, particularly in medicine-related research, tend to be junior researchers who actually conduct the legwork on behalf of senior researchers who then massage data to fit their favoured conclusions).

      I still think the track record of science in dealing with its bad apples is a tad better than organized religion (Hey, Reverend Bloggs, we've heard some reports that you're a kiddy-fiddler. I know that this is the fifth time this has come up; I don't know what it was with all these townspeople; Maine, Massachusetts, Montana - they've all got overactive imaginations. Don't worry about it, we'll just pack you off to Bolivia for a couple of years till it all blows over. You'll love it. Beautiful country. Very friendly people, as I'm sure you'll find out. Very respectful towards us over there.)

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  38. You have to have you Doctorate before by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Funny

    you are qualified to doctor data.

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  39. Re:This is what you get with F/OSS by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

  40. Job Opening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe he could go and work for the Alexis de Toqueville Institution.

  41. Maybe he's just playing it straight by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I think the setup for the introduction of the material he provided was rather good.

    I find this somewhat similar to Manzai

  42. Wrong. by Bozdune · · Score: 1

    Um, no, sorry, check your facts. "Associate without tenure" has been around for years. Harvard, for example, is famous for this particular "promotion."

    1. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When responding to an AC, quote him. The many who see your post and not its parent will think you're an idiot.

  43. HA! (Quaker Guy) HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm Falsifying Data!!!11!1!

  44. " ...15% admit to changing a study..." by Browzer · · Score: 0

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/1 0/1243222&tid=14

    Should an individual cases of a stastic be more troublesome than the statistic itself?

  45. Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chinese guy fingers you for where he got his answers, but he scored better than you? So why did your professor believe that he got his answers from you? Are we supposed to believe this stupid story?

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the professor is stupid? Its not as if we all haven't had our crop of tard profs.

    2. Re: Wait a minute... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > Are we supposed to believe this stupid story?

      It sounds like some A/C really doesn't like Chinese and Iranians.

      Possibly because he couldn't compete with them in grad school, but that's just speculation.

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    3. Re: Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really mean to say that he wouldn't have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids? You mean the Scooby-Doo gang helped him get away with fraud ?!? Oh, what's the world coming to, another childhood memory corrupted...

    4. Re: Wait a minute... by mikael · · Score: 1

      We've had a couple of Chinese students in our research lab. One guy was really good and did some really good cutting edge research that managed to get him a research position in good university back in China.

      And there's another guy who gained his PhD and published a good dozen papers and created his web site listing all his achievements. Yet he blows all this away by copying some crufty source code from the department, removing the copyright/author fields headers and making it appear as if he wrote it. About the same time he pestered me by E-mail to hand over the source code to my research as he "wanted to show it to somebody". I refused, and then he proceeds to pester my supervisor. I look at his website and there's a blank section related to my research titled "under construction".

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    5. Re:Wait a minute... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      So why did your professor believe that he got his answers from you?
      Maybe the professor was Chinese too?
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    6. Re: Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As amusing as that idea may be, it's bullshit. I lived with a Chinese EE Ph.D student last year, and whenever I'd ask him about what uni is like over there, he'd go on and on about how competitive students are with each other. I figure, then, that the reason Chinese students cheat so damn much is because things are so cutthroat -- have to use every advantage you can to get ahead of the pack. I took advanced solid mechanics over the summer, and this dipshit international student I know (also Chinese) who always scores well on exams couldn't tell the prof what a bending moment is. Super super basic stuff, and he was speechless beyond a few "uhhhhhhh"s. The guy's English is fine. He's just a cheating asshole is all...looks like in the end the cheaters don't learn anything. I can only hope it comes back to bite him in the ass later. I have no problem with Chinese folks, Indian folks, Iranian folks, whatever. HOWEVER, _most_ Chinese students I know are cheaters. That isn't intended to be a racist remark. It's simply an observation.

  46. possibly deeper problem by idlake · · Score: 1

    Well, it's not clear that it would have been prudent if they had tried to hush it up--someone would have found out sooner or later.

    In any case, these things do happen, and a single incidence doesn't tell you much about the culture of an institution. However, the recent blatant incidences of scientific fraud are perhaps suggestive of cut-throat competition for funding and publications in science as a whole.

  47. 2 + 2 = 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taco, you might want to get that fixed. It's embarrassing that you haven't noticed after all these years of using that icon.

  48. Now Fire Ward Churchill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least the professor had the balls to admit his wrong-doing and MIT the balls to fire him. No such fortitude exists in CU Boulder. Ward Churchill is a complete piece of shit.

  49. Academic Structure by m0nstr42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Very right. Academics tend to be kind of nodal... there's the lab group, who influence eachothers work (and results) from square one, and the people who do similar research who you're either trying to work together with or (unfortunately) against, and the people who read your niche journals who have a pretty good idea what you're talking about but aren't necessarily that involved, and you don't usually become visible to the whole network unless your results are really turning alot of heads.

    The unfortunate side effect of this is that the people who can invest enough time/money into reproducing results usually do so because they have some vested interested in seeing some particular result.

    The fortunate side effect, I think, is that the structure kind of keeps a check on things. Since it's such a close-knit community, you have to either be making really subtle falsifications that the people in your group won't see through, or you have to be duping a whole bunch of people into playing along.

  50. you must be kidding by idlake · · Score: 1

    And if you got rid of government funding, you wouldn't have much left (or so the conventional knowlege goes). I'd actually agree that gov. funding should be eliminated,

    Government funding mechanisms suck and a market solution would be great; trouble is: there is no market solution. Research is a public good; the attempts at establishing a market in it, like the patent system, have failed miserably.

    Most scientific and technological breakthroughs have been government funded; of the remaining ones that were privately funded, most of them were funded by big monopolies like AT&T and IBM.

    Until someone actually figures out a way of making it work, government funding must continue.

    1. Re:you must be kidding by LeonGeeste · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I actually have an upcoming paper on this topic, but I don't know where to submit it. I basically flesh out the idea that you could make a return from research, even if you gave it away for free, by speculating in the markets you distort. Say your research unveils an energy source that makes oil obsolete. You could make up research costs by shorting the stock of anyone heavily invested in selling oil. Of course, the paper goes into much more detail. Any idea what the best site to submit it to where it would reach the most people and the most people who would be interested in it?

      (Btw, like the other guy suggested, this is kind of tangential since the person I was responding to was taking the odd position of saying that gov. funding is corrupting without explaining any alternate funding method.)

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  51. Could it be? by Stumbles · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if this guy was one of the MIT scientists The SCO group claimed found all of their precious code in Linux. Ahahahahahaha.

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  52. mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False information! That link points to a professor who is much older than Parijs not to mention she never even attended MIT. Just look at her CV on the site.

    1. Re:mod parent down by gaurzilla · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that. Please read my reply to the parent.

  53. People write books about this by AB3A · · Score: 1

    In fact, This one is very timely and informative. Horace Feeland Judson demonstrated in this book that fraud in science is nothing new. Even "great" and classic experiments have been the subject of fraud.

    What is new here are the pressures since WWII in the academic world to get results. Some major cases of fraud were so egregious that these people would have to have been writing papers every two or three days on average --for periods of years. Nobody is that productive.

    It's sad that MIT had to make such a discovery. Worse still is knowing that such fakery exists and doing nothing about it. Judson found more than a few institutions, many in the US, but even more world wide, where such things were covered up instead of dealt with.

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  54. expected results of "honor system" by daveb · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is exactly the type of thing that I expect from the old institutions these days. They rely on "honor systems" and refuse to police things like plagiarism. What they ACTUALLY teach is "don't get caught and you're fine ... and we won't try to catch you". Until I see these schools implement things like turnitin [turnitin.com] I will continue to disrespect and distrust their grads.

  55. David Baltimore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Van Parijs worked for Nobel Laureate David Baltimore at MIT and then CalTech when Baltimore moved to become president of the California Institute of Technology.

    Baltimore was previosuly involved in an alleged case of scientific misconduct (data falsification) in 1986, which caused quite a scandal throughout the scientific community back then.

    Read about it here: David Baltimore

  56. Fabricating Data? by dcollins · · Score: 1

    Fabricating data? Super, now he can get job in the current government.

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  57. infamous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Readers may remember the infamous Jan Hendrik Schön from Bell labs.

    He's more than famous, he's infamous.

    (With apologies to Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, and Martin Short.)

  58. Star Trek is "obscure" here now? by anno1602 · · Score: 1

    Oh Slashdot, what have you become?

  59. Happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who worked in numerous labs as a researcher, I can attest that "selective data publishing" happens all the time. Although outright fabrication is rare, it nonetheless happens. I believe it stems from the enormous pressure to publish and write grant. That is why a high percentage of the published materials out there is useless (forgot which /. article I read it from).

  60. Double Standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So Biologists get fired for publishing bad data.

    How many physicists have knowingly published work that they found themselves to be wrong, but just didn't include or played dumb about the parts with blatant mistakes or systematic problems, or used a derivation that just doesn't work?

    I've seen papers from nobel prize winning physicists that upon actually trying to apply the theory one finds that it's totally inconsistent--almost as if the writers never actually bothered to try to check their work, or did and decided to hide the problem rather than throw it away, fix it, or qualify it as problematic.

    I understand that there's a lot of pressure to publish, but unfortunately I can't publish my own work because it deconstructs work of more prominent people--it would literally shift the foundations of the theory. The problem is that if I've made a mistake, it's my reputation that's shot.

    It can be really heartbreaking, too: I went over my friend's doctoral thesis just before he was to send it for publication, and verifying it through computational proof I found a small, seemingly insignficant problem about 130 pages into 900 pages of work compiled over years that propagated across the entire edifice he'd costructed, rendering the much of the theory implausible--and since it was group theory, difficult to salvage. He hasn't talked to me since (probably because he's busy trying to fix it).

    My point is, if you're going to persecute people for publishing bad data, how about publishing people for bad proofs? Sorry about the AC: this is the first time I've ever felt the need to use it, but I've already received enough flak for my criticism of some very brilliant people.

    1. Re:Double Standard? by msbsod · · Score: 1

      Every day I see physicists who either do not know or do not care that their Linux PC is continuing with the execution of a program after a division by zero and other interesting operations as long as they get a plot.

  61. Why is this modded Insightful?!? by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think including alternative medicine with the other topics you mention is pretty short sighted. To think that we have all the medical answers, and that there aren't other medications or treatments that western medicine might not know about is ignorant. Take for instance pressure points: no western doctor or treatment explains or addresses them.

    This is almost precisely the same argument used by the Intelligent Design folks to get creationism taught in schools! I'm flabergasted that this got modded up. Yes, yes, yes -- neither evolution or western medicine has all the answers. Scientists fully admit this. However, the fact that those fields don't have all the answers doesn't mean that we should start relying on creationism or alternative medicine. You need to provide verifable evidence that sticking needles into people can cure ailments and not rely on "well, you guys don't have all the answers" arguments. Alternative medicine most definitely belongs with the other things I listed. Not because it's all crap. Because all of those things openly (almost pridefully) reject the scientific method.

    However, I'll tell you right now that there are a great many instances where accupressure/puncture can make huge differences in a number of maladies.

    Oh boy, take a guess what my next question is going to be. Can you provide references to multiple peer-reviewed studies verifying your claim? You "can tell me", huh? And who the hell are you? Some guy on slashdot? I'm going to take medical advice from User 549286?

    redfieldp, I think you misunderstood my post. Maybe I should have left UFOs out of the list. My point was that alternative medicine is anti-science. Alternative medicine practitioners apply their techniques to the public at large without scientific evidence that these methods work or are even safe. Having scientists publically outed for falsifing data is only going to provide more ammunition to those who claim they deserve equal status and recognition. Alternative medicine is welcome to use the scientific method to verify their claims. Until that time, it belongs squarely in the "anti-science" camp.

    GMD

    1. Re:Why is this modded Insightful?!? by anaradad · · Score: 1

      >Alternative medicine is welcome to use the scientific method
      >to verify their claims. Until that time, it belongs squarely
      >in the "anti-science" camp.

      You're painting with far too wide a brush. Many alternative medicine practitioners and researchers are using the scientific method and expanding our knowledge of medicine. Take a look at the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine - part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health. http://nccam.nih.gov/

    2. Re:Why is this modded Insightful?!? by nihilogos · · Score: 1

      Can you provide references to multiple peer-reviewed studies verifying your claim?

      I can tell you my one and only experience with acupuncture. I pulled my medial collateral ligament about three days before I was going overseas, and couldn't bend or straighten my leg at all without it hurting like hell. One half hour of someone sticking pins into my leg and back and I could walk normally with no pain at all.

      This page has plenty of references to journal articles and medical reports.

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    3. Re:Why is this modded Insightful?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accupuncture is now offered on the NHS in the UK after a number of studies found it very effective for certain ailments: http://www.nelh.nhs.uk/hth/acupuncture_headache.as p

  62. Now take the next step. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Given that. . .

    1. Science and its application is one of the primary foundation stones of Western civilization's perception of reality.

    And,

    2. While pursuing science, certain findings are ignored in order that funding grants and general nods from authority might be obtained.

    And,

    3. The desires to falsify or ignore data in order to please funding agents and authority figures stem from social criteria rather than objective scientific criteria.

    Therefore. . .

    Our perception of reality is being shaped by forces which have chosen to adhere to social forces rather than objective reality, and that this is done with the approval of Authority and under the name of Science.

    If this doesn't seem like a big deal, consider. . .

    Every assertion that you have ever heard from the sources of authority in our soceity about what is and is not possible in our world has been shaped by those who choose to promote lies as truth and truth as lies.

    Consider the pillars of 'fact' which hold up the public perception of reality.

    It is reasonable to assume that there are events and forces at work in the world which most people are not willing to recognize.

    The things most laughed at by science represent sources of fear; why ridicule something which doesn't bother you on some level?

    My personal opinion is that Religion just another arm of this same trap designed to keep people in cages of the mind. With Science and Religion dividing up the masses, Spirituality represents the thin pathway between these two forces of social control and limitation.

    Observe those subjects which both Science and Religion unanimously fear, studiously ignore or otherwise distract from, and start there.


    -FL

    1. Re:Now take the next step. . . by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great. You've described the reasons why crackpots think science will never be able to understand them. Now, do the experiment. Name two subjects that science fears to study.

  63. What's the Big Deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdot posts articles with fabricated data all the time....

  64. and it only took a year by ksheff · · Score: 1

    A guy has been missing over a year and they only now fire him? How many here would expect their employers to do the same thing?

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    1. Re:and it only took a year by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I'd hope that my employer would check that I was you know...still alive and not kidnapped or something before I got fired.

  65. Fabri... by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

    Sure, the professor's a fabricator, but he's no Fabrikant !

  66. No, re-do it by bluGill · · Score: 1

    When a scientific experiment yields unexpected results, you need to re-do it. First you figure out why you got those results, and fix that problem. If you can't find a problem, and don't get the same (unexpected) results you need to do it yet again.

    So school science needs to give you enough lab time to re-do the experiment if you don't get the expected result. (Remember you always start with a hypothesis, so you know when you data doesn't fit) Then you need to turn in all your results, both the good and the bad, along with a writing on why those bad results are wrong.

    1. Re:No, re-do it by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      So you only re-do the results that don't come out they way you expect? Don't you see a potential source of statistical bias there, or of only doing the experiment until it gives you the result you want, then stopping? I know that's the normal way to do political opinion polls, but I'd like to hold scientific research up to a higher standard.

    2. Re:No, re-do it by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Not exactly, you re-do them and your theories until the two match. Sometimes that means you correct your mistake, sometimes not.

      In a class setting I would expect any differences between results and theory is noise within the margin of error. If your results are not within the margin of error (for instance if you find f=ma^2), then you should examine your setup to see where you went wrong. In a class setting we can assume that the error is in the experiment, and the student should find that error. In fact finding the errors is likely to be more educational than the experiment and a good teacher should find some way to introduce them (I can't think of any though), just to force the students to think.

      In a real lab setting you are not sure about your hypothesis, so when your results don't match, you need to examine both. Your error could be in your theory in which case you need a new one, but it could also be in the experiment. Accidentally putting liquid nitrogen in the liquid helium tanks for instance would drastically affect experiments, so if you discover such a switch in the experiment, correct it, and your second run results in the right answer you can be confident your theory is correct (to the limits of the experiment of course)

  67. History by everphilski · · Score: 1

    History, my friend... War has always boosted the economy, bolstered research and in general created more money than it costed. It was true for World War 1, World War 2, and will hold true for this war as well. (I can personally attest to the bolstering of research)

    -everphilski-

  68. Best lab report ever by yahyamf · · Score: 1

    Maybe his experimental data made no sense, like this guy's lab report

  69. Strip Him. by Niet3sche · · Score: 1

    of his Ph.D. Just like the German (likely all over this topic) Jan Hendrik Schön. I'm a big fan of holding people acting as an agent to Science or The Public Knowledge or The Public Good accountable for their actions. If they act in violation of their implicit powers entrusted them by their peers and/or readers (e.g. data theft or total fabrication), then the PhD ought to be revoked.

    Just as a Jurispudence Doctorate gives one the ability to publically argue a case on the behalf - or at the behest - of another, so too does a Doctorate of Philosophy imply that the bearer ought act in accord with the advancement of science (and the subsequent betterment of man's plight).

    My two cents.

    1. Re:Strip Him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some schools the awarding of a Ph.D. is permanent, so depending on the policies of the awrding school, it may be impossible to strip him of it. I think you are talking about Schon's case, and I think it was possible because of policies of his university, but this may not be universally applicable.

  70. They've got 3 Names! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never ever trust a man with 3 names and actually uses them.

  71. I don't trust NCCAM by GuyMannDude · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're painting with far too wide a brush. Many alternative medicine practitioners and researchers are using the scientific method and expanding our knowledge of medicine. Take a look at the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine - part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health. http://nccam.nih.gov/

    I've already taken a look. I recommend you look at this.

    GMD

  72. This MIT guy should move to Australia... by ivi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ABC / Radio National's "Science Show" did a story on an Australian
      scientist, who falsely reported data from "experiments" that
      had never been conducted, ie, committed scientific fraud.

      An ethical Asian female co-researcher quite rightly
      "blew the whistle" on the unethical researcher.

      The results:
      - He (the "bad guy") is STILL employed by his university / research institute

      - She (the "good guy") LOST funding & access to her research facilities & experimental animals

      - One of the investigative journalists announced that
          HE'LL WILL NEVER REPORT ANOTHER CASE (see below)

      He's host of ABC's weekly "Health Report" show:

        Norman Swan: "I will never do a case of scientific fraud
                                    ever again.
                                    And the reason for that is just
                                    the failure of institutional responses.

                                    If the University of NSW can get away with
                                    something like this what is the point?
                                      Im not going to do another one because
                                    I just dont think that the institutions in
                                    this country have responded seriously to this."

      (Just imagine the kind of world it would be, eg, if ALL
      journo's, police, judges, et al. felt like this guy...)

        Excerpt from The Science Show:

            "What happens to the Whistleblowers?"

        The program aired on 3 September 2005.

        http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s14512 50.htm

      So, I'd say the MIT researcher could do well
      in at least ONE Australian research university.

      Australia's embarrassing tradition continues...

      - After WW 2, AU accepted Nazis from Germany,
          apparently forgiving their atrocities [as long as
          they brought enough of their spoils to live well here]

      - today, at least one Australian research institution
          seems to forgive scientific fraud [as long as they
          can still attract research grant money]

      "Past is Prologue"

    1. Re:This MIT guy should move to Australia... by msbsod · · Score: 1

      I think you would have a point if you would simply point to this particular case, without implying that this is the rule in Australia. A single case is hardly evidence enough to describe the situation in an entire country. These things happen unfortunately too often. Rosalind Franklin is just another case of an unfairly treated researcher (in the UK). The Nobel Price committee did not have the dignity to posthumously reward her for her work. They never will. Anyway, do not make any conclusions based on individual cases. Talk about those cases to help the affected researchers. They need your help, not your clumsy argumentation. I have seen The History Channel, TLC, Discovery etc.. These low-standard Disney channels do much more harm to the reputation of science than a few bad cases at research labs. I wish PBS would do more to present current research to the public. BTW the US, UK, and Russia, they all invited German scientists, whether they were Nazis, worked for the Nazis willingly, did their research under the Nazi regime or were lucky enough to flee the country before the Nazis took over in Germany before WWII.

  73. Big lies, little lies by msbsod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being a researcher myself, I have seen big lies and little lies. The big ones sometimes become public, like the present case. But I have seen so many little lies and they do have an impact on research, too. For example, people find a peak in a distribution and overestimate the statistical significance of the peak. All the sudden a few counts become a new discovery. Lots of money goes into further investigations until the case is settled. Or take the systematical uncertainty of a measurement. A scientific result is not just a single value. Normally we also have to specify an error of an experimental or theoretical result. Of course everybody likes to do a good job. But to get data published people sometimes attach unreasonable errors to their numbers just to ensure their results get published. Collaborations accept those numbers because nobody has the time to deal with those issues. Everbody has their own little project and it costs a lot of time to proof someone wrong, even if everybody knows the numbers are wrong. Eventually nobody asks to be taken off the author list of a publication. Other researchers then take the published results, fit models, make comparisons and find, of course, that their calculations are dominated by those results with the smallest errors. Again, it takes decades until the falsified results get filtered out. The situation is caused by funding agencies. They want to see positive results, fast. No publication, no money. It is that simple. Just because someone spends the time needed to evaluate carefully all aspects of an experiment or theory does not mean the researcher gets funded. On the contrary! The quick-and-dirty jobs are being awarded with precious resources such as research positions. Jobs are the critical resource here. Funding agencies spend a lot of money into equipment, labs and other infrastructure. Life is good. But there are just not enough positions for researchers available. My older colleagues tell me that things have gone a lot worse over the past few decades. You can also see this when you look at the distribution of the researchers' age. Things are worse in the EU than in the US. The EU is putting a lot of money into projects, but far too little into jobs. The taxi driver with doctor title is no joke. The US has traditionally welcomed foreign researchers, but that has changed some 5 years ago dramatically (long before 9/11) and things get worse for everybody. Science and research is not just end in itself. It is part of our culture and our future. Keep an eye on researchers. Make sure they do their job. But also make sure they can do their job. My research is funded by DOE, thanks.

  74. Trying this again... by game+kid · · Score: 1

    Updated for context, and also Image 2. Pass 'em around...or not.

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    1. Re:Trying this again... by westyx · · Score: 1

      heh, cool :)

  75. Not necessarly MIT's fault by r2q2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think this is MIT's fault. Instead it should be the fault of the moral judgement of the person. It isn't a blow as much as to MIT in that it is a blow to scientists.

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  76. you have an important insight by Quadraginta · · Score: 1

    We VERY rarely hear of research actually failing, when in fact we should be hearing it ALL THE TIME since taking stabs at new ideas shouldn't be successful all the time. Failure should be a natural part of research, and there really shouldn't be an urge to have to make your research fruitful everytime.

    An exceedingly important point, and it is I think the crux of the issue. It is hopeless to guard against fraud in science by expecting to hire only heroes with such iron wills that they can stand up to the enormous pressure to produce success and avoid the "small correction" that turns a bitter failure into a modest success. It's nice when people exist like that, but most of us are just not up to it. The prospect of seeing everything we've hoped for go up in smoke all at once, because a brilliant idea we'd sold a lot of stock in turns out to be wrong, is just too much for mere mortals, and it becomes easy to talk yourself into bullshitting a little bit.

    Don't think so? Ask yourself honestly how many times, for example, on /. you've pretended to slightly more knowledge, expertise or insight than you really truly have. If you're a mortal, it happens.

    What to do? Science today is so fiendishly focussed on success and advancement that it's hard to get respect for a brilliant experiment that definitely proves some promising concept is wrong or a blind alley. These things should, as you say, earn a lot of respect, but they seem often not to.

    I think Feynmann said science is largely a process of finding the right idea by trying all the wrong ideas, one by one, and realizing, one by one, that they're dumb. What's left is the truth.

    From that perpective, a negative result, a big failure, is quite valuable indeed: it means that particular route can be abandoned for good, saving everybody a lot of time and effort. "Promising" but non-definite results ("this might be a good idea") are by contrast less valuable, because they don't really save anyone time and effort. You've still got to see if the idea does work out.

    But we don't see it this way, much. It's a giant flaw in the system. I wish I knew how to fix it.

  77. buh bye by landi · · Score: 0, Redundant

    soon or later he was going to get caught anyway.

  78. Pettitt by Quadraginta · · Score: 1

    That truly sucks. I know his work. Is there some donation fund or other for his legal costs? I'd send him a few bucks.

    1. Re:Pettitt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, I don't think there's any sort of donation fund setup yet. My knowledge of the situation is far from comprehensive, though.

      Dr. Pettit's contact information is available here but it might be out of date. I think the email address is still valid, though.

      I'm almost certain that he doesn't have a PayPal account but if the address is valid, I'd imagine it'd be possible to just send money that way or via check to a postal address. I also don't know if there are any ethical implications about him accepting unsolicited donations - I'd hope that it'd be OK but he might refuse if he thinks that accepting them wouldn't be beyond reproach.

      I've thought about setting up a simple website and paypal donation system for him. I'm also a bit nervous about the exposure before I graduate - I'm probably just being overly paranoid but the Biodesign Institute's influence permeates the university and I can easily imagine an endless and impenetrable series of subtile roadblocks springing up in my way.

      If you're technically skilled, interested and think it'd be worthwhile, you might consider contacting him and trying to set something up if nothing's in place.

      It might be a bit difficult but I'd imagine that it might help considerably if Google searches for ASU or the Biodesign Institute included a high-ranking site that explained the situation clearly and rationally and that had links for a legal fund and for information about non-monetary donations.

      If you do build something, it may be best to mention that you're doing it independently of him and that he had no part in soliciting the help.

      On the other hand, the Biodesign Institute seems far more interested in press and politics than science so there's a chance that such an attempt would backfire and lead to retaliations against him. Still, since they largely rely on smoke and mirrors rather than real progress, bad PR would probably be the most effective attack against Biodesign.

  79. And how did they find him out? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    By noticing patterns in the data, i.e. design. That's a double-edged sword you are playing with.

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  80. MIT, Caltech, and Harvard by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The revelations are a serious blow to MIT, which prides itself on its reputation as a scientific powerhouse. " I would have to say the opposite. Before coming to MIT, he was at both Harvard and Caltech, where he had apparently also been fabricating data. The difference is that, unlike Harvard or Caltech, at MIT they found it, investigated it, and took action.

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  81. Oh well... by BlindRobin · · Score: 3, Funny

    He can always get a job at the Whitehouse....

    1. Re:Oh well... by dascandy · · Score: 1

      He didn't suck THAT much, did he?

  82. To all the creepy sibling AC posters by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1

    To all the creepy sibling AC posters ... maybe you could just use Google?

    http://images.google.com/images?q=site:mit.edu+mas ha

    I make no claims that the results of this search are accurate :-D

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  83. Must be 100th data falsification by Iron+(III)+Chloride · · Score: 1

    My AP biology teacher constantly tells us to not fabricate data on lab exercises even if the current data doesn't make sense and then shows us a bunch of articles about fired scientists. Guess he has a point here; it generally stalls your career for 10-15 years and may even end it.

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  84. Look out! Rogue biologist on the loose! by The_Dougster · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That poor fellow is probably done in the field of biology now. So we now have a:
    • Probably brilliant biologist with
    • a PhD from Harvard, who is now
    • Discredited among his peers and unemployed, and who
    • Apparently doesn't have much of a grasp of ethics.
    I can see it now...

    Those bastards, we'll see who has the last laugh now... Soon my army of Super Mutants will TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Muahahah!

    It sounds like the origins of some kind of cheap comic book super vilain. Except, its not really that funny. This guy might be developing biological weapons for terrorists in the near future. If all he cares about is money and isn't too concerned about right and wrong, he's going to go work for somebody who might overlook his past mistakes as long as he can deliver what they want.

    I feel really sorry for this guy and I think that a good part of the blame should be passed on to the universities which granted this guy his academic credentials yet failed to beat enough ethics into his head in the process to prevent him from making this tragic career mistake.

    Hopefully he can take this in stride, and find some "good guys" who are willing to give him another chance. You can't get that far along without knowing something about biology, and it would be a shame to loose a valuable scientist of that caliber. This is going to be a painful lesson in professional ethics for Dr. Varijs which he will wish he had learned a lot earlier on.

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    1. Re:Look out! Rogue biologist on the loose! by tsotha · · Score: 1
      It sounds like the origins of some kind of cheap comic book super vilain. Except, its not really that funny. This guy might be developing biological weapons for terrorists in the near future. If all he cares about is money and isn't too concerned about right and wrong, he's going to go work for somebody who might overlook his past mistakes as long as he can deliver what they want.

      I doubt even the arch-villians will hire this guy. If you're gonna release a bio-bomb on New York, you don't want to be wondering if the toxin acutally killed the lab rats or if he drowned them in the sink.

      Especially if you're gonna demand one... million... dollars.

  85. The Next Big Scandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There's another major bad-science scandal coming up. The famous "hockey stick" chart of global temperatures, which played such a big role in persuading most developed nations to sign on to the Kyoto treaty, comes from flawed analysis of carefully selected data. It turns out that the up-turn in recent temperatures (the "blade" of the hockey stick) is basically due to data from a few bristlecone pine trees in California -- and that the people who collected that data warned that it was clearly anomalous.

    The "hockey stick" first appeared in Mann, M.E., Bradley, R.S. and Hughes, M.K., Northern Hemisphere Temperatures During the Past Millennium: Inferences, Uncertainties, and Limitations, Geophysical Research Letters, 26, 759-762, 1999 (available as PDF via FTP at ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/mann/mbh98.pd f/).

    Worse still, it turns out that they calculated the r^2 and got close to 0 in most cases but only reported the one good correlation. Their own software told them that their results were statistically insignificant at any level!

  86. I'll name 10 by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. UFOs
    2. Astrology
    3. Acupuncture
    4. Alternative energy (Cold Fusion, Zero Point Energy, etc.)
    5. Alternative medicine (Homeopathy, Reikki, etc.)
    6. Cattle Mutilation
    7. Crop Circles
    8. Energy awareness (Chi)
    9. Human history through true archeolgoy
    10. The true nature of space and time.

    Of course, Science itself and real scientists aren't afraid to examine such areas, and indeed, they have done with spectacular results. But how often do such studies get funded and how often are the findings allowed to affect the status quo or even reach the main stream? This is where the fear is manifest. A room full of biased men in lab coats who go through the motions of research are *not* true scientists. They are frightened men who are willing to observe and measure the Universe only so long as it does not stray outside the comfortable, pre-conceived parameters dictated by society.

    Interestingly, those who are not enslaved at the civilian level are allowed to study without restraint.


    -FL

    1. Re:I'll name 10 by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      So, they do get looked at least occasionally. How much energy do you want to waste on things that have been repeatedly demonstrated as mistaken, wishful thinking, placebo effect, or even just plain fraud?

    2. Re:I'll name 10 by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      So, they do get looked at least occasionally. How much energy do you want to waste on things that have been repeatedly demonstrated as mistaken, wishful thinking, placebo effect, or even just plain fraud?

      It would only be a waste of energy if you come away with the wrong conclusions. You have collected more than a few of those yourself, I see. All the usual suspects; easily collected and lazily maintained. You have to expend real energy searching if you want to find real data; expecting the media to lay the truth at your lap is simply not going to work in this case. --Looking only at the advertised false positives and the biased reports from researchers who are emotionally incapable of dealing with real phenomenon when they do show up may not waste your energy, but it certainly keeps you locked up tight in a false reality.


      -FL

    3. Re:I'll name 10 by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I see that I have been trolled, fairly successfully.

  87. 2000 professors in ten years by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The misconduct board has been operating for ten years, yet there have been very few firings and investiations. During that time there have been around 2000 fulltime and part time professors at MIT.

    I always wondered when they say as many as half of high school and college students cheat in some fashion according to some surveys, how this becomes relatively rare in faculty. Several search engine studies of online academic journals have more less a one percent rate of xeno-plagarism. (Though the rates of auto-plagarism, the recycling of previous paragraphs by the same research groups is substantially higher.) Research miscondent is so rare that it still makes headlines.

  88. Ego by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    I see that I have been trolled, fairly successfully.

    If expressing one's thoughts on a relevant subject on a public discussion board is 'Trolling', then I guess every last poster is a 'troll'. Honestly. If you find an idea makes you auto-react or feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you could benefit from doing a little inward searching to find out why, rather than outward labeling to suppress it.

    Those who see discussion boards as mechanisms for winning and losing have slipped into the Ego trap. Ideally, Discussion and Learning are what it should all be about.


    -FL