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India's Bollywood Opts for Low-Cost Digital Cinema

Makarand writes "While Hollywood is yet to figure out who will pay for the costly $100,000 digital projectors required for the digital roll-out of films, the Mumbai (India) based film Industry (called Bollywood) is settling for cheaper projectors of a bit lesser quality available at one-third the price, to proceed with their digital roll-out. Industry officials call this cheaper version of the digital cinema the 'E-Cinema', in contrast to the 'D-Cinema' which Hollywood is waiting for. Over 1000 films are made each year in India and just 1 film in 12 makes a profit. Transporting conventional celluloid prints to remote towns gives video pirates plenty of time to copy and make prints. Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits."

191 comments

  1. only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Only 1 film in 12 makes a profit? Perhaps the films are not intended to make a profit, but instead are money laundering?
    -russ

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    1. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The film industry in India is a little more complicated than that, and even one movie that may turn a profit usually tends to bring in a whole lot of money that would cover the losses of several failed movies.

      And relative to Hollywood, the amount invested in Indian movies is far lesser, so that's another reason.

      Finally, the Bollywood has a lot of families which have been in the industry for a long time, so money isn't really a problem for a lot of them - they'd rather waste a lot of money making absolutely crappy movies just to launch a new actor or an actress from their family.

    2. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Only 1 film in 12 makes a profit? Perhaps the films are not intended to make a profit, but instead are money laundering?

      11 in 12? That is a lot of clean shirts.

    3. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by rm999 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I normally hate this cliche, but I just can't resist

      1. make crappy movies
      2. ?
      3. profit!

      I guess the ? was answered by the parent poster

    4. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by erikharrison · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also notable that a 1 in 12 statistic is not as far off of american cinema as you would like to believe.

    5. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by magarity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only 1 film in 12 makes a profit? Perhaps the films are not intended to make a profit, but instead are money laundering?
       
      You're kidding, right? One in twelve movies making a profit is stellar performance. Compare to Hollywood, where no movie has ever made a profit. See: "Hollywood accounting".

    6. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by MMaestro · · Score: 1

      But don't forget, in the U.S. anyone with a camcorder and is willing to spend the time can become a 'movie maker'. Look at all the independent films there are online. Red vs Blue could be considered a sitcom. The hugely successful 'The Blair Witch Project' looks like it could have been made by a bunch of pranksters with a horror fetish. Heck, just look at 'America's Funniest Home Videos' and all its spin-offs. People getting paid for unprofessionally filmed, unedited, poor quality video clips.

    7. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movie soundtracks make a lot of money that might not count in movie profits.

    8. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Zacha · · Score: 1

      Look at the number of independent films there aren't online, as well. Despite the technology, in the U.S. - and in all the other countries who read Slashdot - the field is still taking off.

    9. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw a video called "Ballywood", Jesus, I've never seen that kind of... 'Lovin'... before.

    10. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the films are not intended to make a profit,

      Nah, it is to see how often the same boy meets girl, girl or boy is from the wrong side / right side of the tracks, and then suddenly everyone breaks out into signing and dancing stories they can come up with. You know, like Taco Bell does with 4 ingredients.

    11. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is a viable business model if the one hit movie generates enough profit to also cover the losses on the other 11 failures from the studio's point of view.

      And it's not too far off from what happens in Hollywood, book publishing, and the music industry. Surely you don't think a majority of the albums you see at the record store are profitable? In all media, they throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks, and the "Top Ten" are so successful that the profits end up subsidizing the next round of stuff thrown at the wall.

    12. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by FarHat · · Score: 1

      There is certainly a number of films made with that objective in mind (see "Bombay Boys" for a nice introduction to that). But its partly just that films are so much cheaper. The average movie there probably costs less than the average TV ad in the US. So that 1 movie which is a hit (and when its a hit Indians go solidly crazy over it) can easily pull 12 failures behind it.

      -F

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    13. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by utopicillusion · · Score: 1

      It's also a factor that Bollywood rolls out more movies than Hollywood. Plus, there are a lot of regional movie industries, almost one for every state (and there are 26 of them, with a completely different language). Hence, 1 in 12 is not bad at all.

    14. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've heard that 1 in 10 video games make a profit, and the profit on that one more than makes up for the losses of the rest, which isn't that hard. Say the other nine earn back 90% of their production & marketing cost, and the tenth that makes a profit three times its production costs. Assuming all movies cost the same, a net profit was made.

    15. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      If they're signing, why do they need music? Deaf people can't ..... oh I see, the signing is for the deaf people, and the music is for the hearing people!
      -russ

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    16. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      Very few movies in America make "profit," but this is more about screwing people with the fact that any percentage of zero is zero.

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    17. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by nunchux · · Score: 0

      It's also notable that a 1 in 12 statistic is not as far off of american cinema as you would like to believe.

      Really? Can you back that up? Because I don't really think you know what you're talking about. Most American movies make a profit. It may take years, but after DVDs, rentals and foreign markets there's a profit. We call a movie a failure and a flop if it doesn't make its money back in the first few weeks, but it's pretty rare that a movie will actually take a loss.

      Foreign markets, by the way, are a huge cash cow for most American films... Even our worst will be shown in theaters and on TV worldwide-- in fact the worst often do quite well, because dumbed-down action flicks and broad sex comedies translate better than movies driven by dialogue and characters. Bollywood, on the other hand, doesn't make it out of India except for a few British or North American specialty stores and theaters.

    18. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hollywood bookkeeping is insane. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of films didn't make a profit... on paper.

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    19. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by FeralTitan · · Score: 1

      Folks - Firstly, please consider that the 1 in 12 movies statistic includes all the top movies and the B and C class movies. Although only Russ may watch the B and C Class movies but they still count. ;) (Joking don't take it personal). Secondly, If you check Hollywood's Statistic it would be similar. Thirdly, India does not have a Pop Music industry which is as big as the US. The song and dance in the movies is a substitute. It provides almost all the music and in a lot of senses is far more sophisticated as a business then Hollywood. Fourthly, the 1 in 12 statistic makes you believe that the cost for the 12 movies are similiar. Not usually the case, only a top few directors make high budget movies that make profit the other 11 are movies with extremely low budget made by hundreds of unknown or less popular folks. Lastly, Bombay does have an underworld presence, the Mafiosi ;) and not everymovie is made to profit, some are just favours from the capos to introduce new actors/actresses.

    20. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by keshto · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few reasons for this, some of which others have pointed out as well:

      1. A success-to-attempt ratio of 1:12 is probably incorrect, but even if it were true it's not drastically different from other ventures of similar type elsewhere (Hollywood, Music Albums, heck- even startups)

      2. The bulk of the music industry used to be financed by only a few people and controlled by a few film houses. They could diversify their risks and cover all minor losses with one major hit. They have actually gotten quite good at marketing the really big budget movies, almost like Hollywood.

      3. Way too many Indians are film-crazy (there are fan-clubs and temples devoted to specific artists). Thus, you'll often people (aka suckers) who made their money elsewhere and are willing to sink some of that money into movie-financing, just to have some of the Bollywood glamour rub off on them and brag about having invited XYZ to their daughter's wedding.

      4. Finally, as others have already pointed out, there *is* some truth to the whole money-laundering angle. There used to be more mob money in Bollywood but it's decreasing. Actually, I think this was for the same reason as #3-- the mafia people rather liked the idea of hobnobbing with actors and (particularly) actresses.

    21. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by vidarh · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you seriously think Bollywood movies doesn't make it out of India much, you need to look again. Bollywood movies have a huge market in Russia, China, Africa, the Middle East, parts of Europe etc., and quite a few regions Bollywood movies regularly are among the top grossing.

    22. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by arun_kyahoo.com · · Score: 1

      Indian movies are actually watched all over US, Canada, UK, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, many parts of Africa, the Middle East, Fiji, Mauritius, West Indies, Guyana, Trinidad & Tobago, Suriname, and more. Pretty much wherever there are people of Indian decent all over the world.

      Indian movies aren't only watched in movie theaters, the spread of DVDs has helped a lot, the quality of VHS versions was horrible, piracy is still rampant.

      Indian films began coming to Russia in the 50s. India had socialist leanings; Russia was in the grip of the cold war, closed off from the West and they began diplomatic and trade relations. Indian films became the most popular cultural export between the two countries.

    23. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they just love to make movies.

    24. Re:only 1 in 12 makes a profit? by fingerfucker · · Score: 1

      Bollywood movies have a huge market in Russia, China, Africa, the Middle East, parts of Europe etc., and quite a few regions Bollywood movies regularly are among the top grossing.

      Yeah right.

  2. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    How about, "Bend it like Beckham" for starters?

  3. Decrease Piracy? by n0dalus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.

    Last time I checked it was 100x easier to pirate a digital format by simply copying it as oppose to the usual digital-camera-at-screen method or even more difficult and costly telecine process.

    1. Re:Decrease Piracy? by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I think the point in the article was that it brings movies to locations that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them. In such a situation, piracy isn't costing the industry money, but rather the lack of availability is encouraging piracy.

      There are also scary things that you can do with digital film to discourage piracy, such as watermarking films by theater, date, and time. If you look at a modern digital film, such as Spiderman 2, you'll occasionally see some dots along the bottom of the screen. That's what they are. If that mark appears in online versions of the film, police can track down which group of people saw the movie, and if you paid in advance or with a credit card, they know who was there. Otherwise it just helps narrow their search down for them.

      I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of watermarking showed up in DVD's soon.

    2. Re:Decrease Piracy? by DarkMan · · Score: 5, Informative

      True. However, that's not the problem. It dosen't really matter how hard it is to copy a film, it's currently happening.

      At the moment, with film, it's not economic to roll out a film everywhere at once. Therefore there is a time lag between the first showings, and when it's available to view locally. This time lag is where the pirates are operating. If you can remove this lag, then one of the benefits of pirated films (faster access) is removed. Digital projectors bring the benefits of digital copying to the movie producers, as opposed to currently, where only the pirates are reaping the benefits.

      As I understand it then, Bollywood is trying to defeat piracy by starving the pirates of a market.

    3. Re:Decrease Piracy? by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes and no. The problem with distribution is, it costs a couple of thousand dollars to produce 1 copy of a film at a film lab. So, in order to minimize the costs, companies will only make a certain number of prints, and then ship them around. Now, person X at the far end of the country, or another country, cannot go to the movies to go see it. Its simply not available in that region yet. But, he can buy a copy on the street corner because the organized criminals are using digital transfers.

      Simply, organized crime is beating Bollywood and Hollywood, because they have a faster distribution model and this cuts into profits.

      If it was a digital distribution, there is no delay in shipping, or limits to how many theaters can play the movie at one time. Now instead of "See lowsy street corner quality" or "Not see the movie at all", it will be a choice between "See lowsy version" or "See decent version on the big screen".

      So the shift to D cinema is not trying to eliminate piracy, its an attempt to catch up with Organized crimes better, cheaper, faster distribution model.

    4. Re:Decrease Piracy? by shawb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of watermarking showed up in DVD's soon.

      This is actually pretty unlikely for the near future. Commercial DVDs are generally stamped on a die rather than burned like a CD-R; I'm not quite sure, but I assume burning a DVD would take at least ten minutes on home equpment and this could probably be cut down a little, but one minute or even thirty seconds would probably be too much time on industrial presses. And the machinery required for burning high volumes would be much more complex and error prone than stamping. Stamping greatly reduces the cost and increases the durability of high volume runs, but pretty much ensures that every copy is identical, so watermarking would not be realistic, AFAIK. As for the small volumes sent out for promo copies and advance screeners, those could realistically be burned, and so watermarking those makes some sense and that is where you hear about this being done.

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    5. Re:Decrease Piracy? by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      This time lag is where the pirates are operating.

      I agree that is part of the motivation - but what about people that just want free movies?

    6. Re:Decrease Piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly. The films are to big to fit on a DVD (even at low resolution) so they are usually sent via the internet or on a USB hard drive. The trick is that the film itself is sent encrypted. Just before the first showtime, a key is sent encrypted with SSH for that particular projector.

      The only way to decrypt the film is to intercept the key after it has arrived and been decrypted at the projector. Obviously the OS on the projector is responsible for making that difficult.

    7. Re:Decrease Piracy? by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

      Uh i would guess 70%+ of all major release uses a digital intermediate for color correction and and editing. So the movie is already digital. Why would I telecine a movie unless I need it for broadcast? I'm not editing on tape decks. There is a difference between telecine and just doing cineon scans. Anyway the film is in digital format. Its a matter of how they choose to display the product. Output back to film or digital projection. Either way its already digital.

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    8. Re:Decrease Piracy? by shmlco · · Score: 1
      From TFA, "But transporting celluloid prints to remote towns costs more and gives video pirates enough time to mint cheap copies, cutting into profits."

      Given the "cheap copies" line, this sounds like commercial-grade piracy, knocking off and producing, ah... cheap copies. In which case "free" doesn't come into play. Pirates need to eat too.

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    9. Re:Decrease Piracy? by Hyter · · Score: 1

      The problem is you cannot rent Bollywood movies in America at all. If you rent/buy a Bollywood movie at a store in America, it has been burned. You can tell from the quality of the movie and the disks usually have a stamp on label over some other company logo. But no one gets in trouble because the American Film Association won't bust them... they aren't American films... and India really doesn't have anything like that to protect there copyright laws.

    10. Re:Decrease Piracy? by EggyToast · · Score: 1
      The catch to that that many don't realize, as well, is that piracy concerns aren't necessarily the "freeloader techie" variety. In many cases, the people buying pirated goods are doing just that -- buying them. They're already spending money on the product, and the only reason they're buying pirated goods is a) it's not yet available or b) it's not going to be available. Sure, there are some instances where someone will buy the cheap VCD pirate copy of a movie over the $5 more expensive DVD copy, but in plenty of situations the pirated copy isn't that much cheaper, nor does it include any of the standard specials.

      In the theater case, it doesn't play in the theater. Even here, there are people who would go see a movie if the DVD came out the same day, and they admit it: "Oh this movie is so worth it to see in the theater." In many cases it's the only way big explosive action movies do well.

      I do think that many in the states overlook the fact, though, that crime is already doing it for money, and people support it because it's faster, not because they're criminals.

  4. I smell a con by Ironsides · · Score: 0

    Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.

    And if you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you. I'll even give you 10% off.

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    1. Re:I smell a con by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I don't believe piracy impacts cinema receipts, but I do believe it impacts DVD sales.

    2. Re:I smell a con by shawb · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to bet piracy does impact theater reciets. People will be able to see whether they like a movie before they go out to actually see it. Excellent movies will have more people seeing them, while subpar movies will have a drastic decline in ticket sales. The stance and actions of the MPAA against piracy make much better sense with that fact in mind.

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    3. Re:I smell a con by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      I don't believe piracy impacts cinema receipts, but I do believe it impacts DVD sales.

      I think it depends on the individual more than anything else. One of my roommates back in college and I bought hte same DVD at the same time knowing the other was buying it. We each wanted our own DVD copy, not a DivX copy. We also wanted the ancillary material that comes with it. We may not be like most people, but for some reason some people are fine with low quality copies like theater-cam rips.

      That said, I have bought more DVDs due to finding out I liked the series/movie after dloading it than otherwise.

      One interesting thing though. I have seen fewer movies in the past few years than ever before. Just not that interested in most, and the rest I sometimes miss seeing in theaters. All I am pretty sure of is that the digital distribution is going to open up a few more holes in their chain to piracy.

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    4. Re:I smell a con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a con you're smelling; it's curry.

    5. Re:I smell a con by Mateito · · Score: 1
      And if you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you. I'll even give you 10% off.

      Don't listen to him. I have an almost identical bridge only slightly fuzzier than his and without the credits that I'll sell you off a blanket on the street corner for only 20 rupees and a gourd of yak yogurt.

    6. Re:I smell a con by miyako · · Score: 1

      I have to agree completely with your sentiments. I often buy a copy of a movie when I know that other people have copies which I could burn. As stupid as it may seem, generally if I like a movie it's worth the $20 to have the real case and movie in my entertainment center. I've also been burned on buying movies that I haven't seen before. A while back Blockbuster was offering 3 DVDs for $15 here, and I picked up a few movies that I hadn't seen but that seemed like they might be worth it. For the most part I tended to get movies that were absolutely worthless (I'm looking at you "The Forgotten").
      Along those lines, nearly every TV series that I own on DVD are series that I didn't watch during the initial run but later downloaded. The only show that I have on DVD that I've never actually downloaded is M*A*S*H which I got on DVD mainly because it was one of the few shows I watched regularly when I had cable.
      Somewhat offtopic, but I think that even if iTunes or some other service offered shows that I really wanted to see for download I would probably only buy a few episodes to decide if I wanted the DVD set. I just really like having a full box set of any given series out on display.

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  5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There have been several, and several have been nominated for international awards. Besides, there is a significant percentage of Indian readers of Slashdot.

    *shrug*

  6. Cut down on piracy? by vespazzari · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I find it really hard to believe that the move to digital cinema will facilitate less piracy.

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    1. Re:Cut down on piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you choose to look at the situation at only a very surface level. Why advertise your ignorance?

  7. Re:And? by robdavy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe they're big, in, um, India???

  8. I'm not sure by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that this will cut down on piracy, but it will certainly be interesting to watch what happens. This is one area where DRM would work very well. There are others, of course, but this one application is a good place for DRM and encryption etc.

    Besides, all those call center reps need a night out once in a while

    1. Re:I'm not sure by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny
      Besides, all those call center reps need a night out once in a while

      If so I hope they tell the rest of us when it will be. I could use a night in once in a while

    2. Re: I'm not sure by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1

      ... but this one application is a good place for DRM and encryption etc.

      Hang on, DRM works? Since when?

      DRM in a place with lots of budding technical talent & not a lot of distributed wealth would be a great place to test the DRM.

  9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been hearing about Linux for years. Anyone ever USED Linux for work and play? So who the fuck cares, then?

  10. Correction... by ViaNRG · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's only 10x easier to pirate the digital media, but it is 100x easier to seed the torrent =)

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  11. Re:And? by rudinz · · Score: 1

    All the Indians care...u fucktard.....Get a life....

  12. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its movie about Indian but not a bollywood movie. The movie was made in UK

  13. reason for less piracy by vasanth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The reason the digital system will reduce piracy is, in India movies are usually copied while moving the film tape (reel) from one place to another.. For example a movie released in a particular city might just have one reel and it has to be shared between cinemas and are exchanged on a show to show basis...

    1. Re:reason for less piracy by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      So they mount a filmscanner in a truck and rip it while driving from A to B?

      Interesting...

  14. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are literally billions of people who have heard of a Bollywood movie. And they don't give a fuck whether you give a fuck or not.

  15. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean, we're starting to outsource slashdot readers too now?

  16. Excuses, excuses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Over 1000 films are made each year in India and just 1 film in 12 makes a profit. Transporting conventional celluloid prints to remote towns gives video pirates plenty of time to copy and make prints. Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.""

    "But, but, it doesn't hurt anyone"

    "It's free advertising"

    "I never would have spent the money on it anyway"

    1. Re:Excuses, excuses. by orasio · · Score: 1

      You missed one.
      It's not "pirates".
      Pirates kill people.

      People who copy stuff, many times, do it to benefit themselves, and other people, and nobody else gets hurt. Some times, like in this example, they are reaping other peoples benefits. Of course, it's a very heterogeneous group of people. So "pirate" does not define "people who copy stuff". It's very rare that a person kills people in order to copy a movie, although it might happen. So that word "pirate" is no good.

      The problem is that if you call people who copy and distribute movies before their release, "pirates", you might have a strong analogy. When you use it then to name people who use Napster, that word, "pirate", you are losing all credit.

      Getting unauthorized copies and distributing them, in direct competition with the original distributor is not the same thing as copying some of your friends mp3, or saving your Tivo content to your computer, or even sharing it.

  17. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and one of the actresses is well known from E.R.

  18. ^What he said^ by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article says nothing about encrypted disks/formats or whatever.

    BUT I found a press release from RealImage which explains that the distribution method is by satellite.

    So I'm assuming they'll use an encrypted satellite feed to send the movies to theaters.

    Film distribution via satellite is yet to pick up in other countries chiefly because distances are not too daunting overseas and thus it is not viewed as much of a cost saver, says a trade observer.

    But in India it has become an instant hit, given the vast geographical spread
    Reading some of their other press releases gives some good info: The distro method is web based, so theaters can pick whatever they want from a server.

    The other tidbit i picked up is that "The films in the MPEG 2 format will take 20 hours to download depending on the connectivity"

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  19. Lagaan by Cybertect · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Awesome. I loved it.

    And it's about cricket. :)

    1. Re:Lagaan by jcr · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The Indian cinema has found its Kurosawa.

      Don't buy the DVD, though. I've had two copies of it, and something went wrong in the MPEG encoding very near the end of the match.

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    2. Re:Lagaan by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      The Indian cinema has found its Kurosawa.

      I'd always thought Satyajit Ray was Indian cinema's Kurosawa.

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    3. Re:Lagaan by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      Don't buy the DVD, though. I've had two copies of it, and something went wrong in the MPEG encoding very near the end of the match.

      Interesting that you should say that. DVD Player on Mac OS X wouldn't play the last 30-40 minutes of the film (it started to pixellate and just gave up.) Fortunately, however, VLC player had no issues playing those scenes.

  20. Re:And? by aussie_a · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Maybe they're big, in, um, India???

    People outside of India should care, why? They're certainly not big outside of India, and I've heard and even seen a little of their films, compared with the shit hollywood produces, I'd rather hollywood. I'm sure it's an aquired taste (which is helped by people outside of India who watch it feeling like they're superior to people who don't), but I doubt it's about to take the world by storm.

  21. BensBargains.net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the Indian "movie" community got a good deal on some refurb Infocus X1a's that was on besnbargains.net or woot.com?

    Ah....Bollywood. Look for the next Ashiarya Rai (or whatever her name is) film to be coming to a xvid/mp4 avi file playing off of a Thinkpad T42 that doubles as a laptop for an outsourced IBM employee. Gotta love that dual monitor support!!!!!

    Note: One of you will complain about lack of DVI on the T42. Get the docking station, slacker

  22. Of course, low budget cameras BUT by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 2, Funny

    high budget microphones to hear their voices while singing every 2 minutes.

    Rapsani: You killed my brother, how dare you then sleep with my sister!
    Hajil: No, it was him Gandapana! Look, he's running away. Let's Sing!

    Then you see 30 indians break into a dance while the evil killer is running away WHILE singing AND dancing.

    I bet the stories in Bollywood movies are much more interesting than the stories of today's Hollywood movies, regardless of how much they sing and/or dance.

    1. Re:Of course, low budget cameras BUT by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then you see 30 indians break into a dance while the evil killer is running away WHILE singing AND dancing.

      I took a business trip to India a couple of years ago, and happened to see a bit of Indian MTV in my hotel. All of the Indian singers had vast throngs of dancers. Whenever an American or European act came on, it was jarring to only see the singer and four of five dancers. It looked like they just couldn't get the budget for a full-scale production. ;-)

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    2. Re:Of course, low budget cameras BUT by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      How representative of Indian culture is Indian MTV? Is it a station that is involved with the American MTV in any way, or is it just a wholly-Indian equivalent?

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    3. Re:Of course, low budget cameras BUT by alphakappa · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's affiliated with the American MTV, but the shows are produced in Mumbai(Bombay). They show plenty of english music videos, but the majority of videos shown are Indian pop music videos or songs from Indian (not just Bollywood) movies.

      MTV India website

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    4. Re:Of course, low budget cameras BUT by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1


      Rapsani: You killed my brother, how dare you then sleep with my sister!
      Hajil: No, it was him Gandapana! Look, he's running away. Let's Sing!


      Wait a minute--sex, in an Indian movie? Don't you know that sex was banned in Indian following independance? Scientists are still trying to figure out how a country of women who haven't taken their clothes off since the Sixth Century A.D. could have reached the 1 billion mark.

    5. Re:Of course, low budget cameras BUT by smithmc · · Score: 1

        I took a business trip to India a couple of years ago, and happened to see a bit of Indian MTV in my hotel. All of the Indian singers had vast throngs of dancers. Whenever an American or European act came on, it was jarring to only see the singer and four of five dancers. It looked like they just couldn't get the budget for a full-scale production.

      Dancers are cheap. CGI, hi-res digital cameras, etc. are expensive.

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  23. Re:And? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Bollywood is big throughout Asia and other parts of the world. Yes, Hollywood is bigger, and at this time, more people see their movies. But, just as all the recent outsourcing should have shown you, things change. Hollywood, is trying to spend top dollars on equipment, acting, directing, etc. Most hollywood movies pay their top actor/actress more than what a bollywood movie costs. So what does that mean? For now, nothing.

    But, in about another 3-5 years, bollywood will re-align some of their movies and will start targeting the hollywood crowd. In fact, Hollywood is guarenteeing that, by all their formulic approachs, and recently, their DRMs.

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  24. Re:And? by agile_architect · · Score: 1

    Stop bashing India. Be mature, get a life.

  25. I've seen several. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have seen Bollywood films such as Mashooka, Saathiya, and Yeh Dil, amongst others. While I'm not a fan of American cinema, I think I am even less of a fan of Indian cinema. I found their films less than entertaining. The plots often lacked originality, and the filmmanship was subpar. They're often billed as being professional-quality, but the editing, audio and the general direction was often quite bad.

    They are lacking overall, especially when compared to the masterpieces that regularly come from mainland Europe. Not that I'm suggesting every European movie is better. But if you pick one at random, the European one will most likely be far better done, the quality of the acting will be much greater, and it will be far more coherent.

    If there's one good thing about the Bollywood films, especially compared to Hollywood ones, is that they're far less commercialized. That is, they're not plastered with ads for Coke, for instance.

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    1. Re:I've seen several. by jcr · · Score: 1

      I think I am even less of a fan of Indian cinema.

      Try Lagaan, and Monsoon Wedding.

      The Indian film industry is just like Hollywood. A lot of crap, and a few standouts.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:I've seen several. by rahultyagi · · Score: 0

      you really chose the worst movies to sample as far as bollywood is concerned. Except for Saathiya, the other two are probably the kind of movies which 99% of indians haven't seen (and most likely 90% haven't even heard of). I'm not saying that the movies that most indians do see are great, but you won't be able to tell that unless you sample something a bit different than these.

      Try Lagaan, Satya, Sholay, Bombay, Kannathil Mutthamittal and such... you might just find them better than a randomly chosen European movie. Assuming you don't choose a Kieslowski movie randomly.

    3. Re:I've seen several. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      I have seen Monsoon Wedding. Again, I wasn't impressed. I heard many positive reviews of Naseeruddin Shah's performance, but I think it was lacking. Perhaps it was just the low quality of the editing that was most disappointing.

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    4. Re:I've seen several. by dancingmad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who mods this crap up? I think the moderators today are angry programmers replaced by H1 visa guys.

      I'm American born, of Bangladeshi descent and here's the deal. Most Indian movies suck. I would not watch them until very recently. And I learned something: there are some good ones. Most of them are crap.

      But most American movies suck too (Stealth, anyone? The Island? Right before I left the country there was not one good movie coming out in theatres).

      Until you've seen Lagaan or Monsoon Wedding or Earth (with, like Lagaan, features Aamir Khan, India's Mifune Toshiro, and is based on Bapsi Sidwa's excellent Icecandy Man/Cracking India novel) you've got no real right to malign the entire Indian movie industry.

      That's not even mentioning Sajity Roy whose Apu trilogy is a classic of world cinema, of whom my favorite director, Kurosawa Akira said:

      "The quiet but deep observation, understanding and love of the human race which are characteristic of all his films, have impressed me greatly... They can be described as flowing composedly, like a big river. Mr Ray is a wonderful and respectful man. I feel that he is a 'giant' of the movie industry."

      "Not to have seen the cinema of Ray means existing in the world without seeing the sun or the moon."

      Let's not forget the work of Indian disporia: Bend it Like Beckham, the Sixth Sense, and other films which to varying degrees benefitted from Bollywood influence.

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    5. Re:I've seen several. by pamri · · Score: 1

      No doubt, the no. of good American films are more on an average than Indian films(especially Hindi movies), but you saw the wrong movies. Except the 2nd one, both are duds and the 2nd one was a remake of a Tamil movie, which is far better in terms of production quality, story telling, etc., I also suggest you try Tamil/Malayalam movies. They sometimes go over the top, but are more entertaining. Also, try the List of popular Bollywood films at wikipedia and the forums at Desitorrents, a bittorrent site.

    6. Re:I've seen several. by UnsolicitedHuman · · Score: 1

      Well, I would tend to disagree to that.
      Bollywood films , mainly are targetting the 'local' crowd. Which means that there is a 90% possibility of what 'u' like will 'not' be in one of the films. They are trying to (more so than hollywood) depict the local culture, happenings and way of life in India. The ones that are good (even if they are bad by ure standards) are really well appreciated and are worth watching as they tend to reemphasize the beauty of our culture/ happenings and the likings of the local crowd.
      You cannot expect a 'Run Lola Run', 'The Chorus' 'Life is beautiful' from Bollywood, they wont be appreciated by the Indian/Asian Crowd.(Though there are some directors in here who try to make such movies ..referred to as ART films in Bollywood).

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    7. Re:I've seen several. by sleepophile · · Score: 1

      Whoever made you watch those movies must really hate you.I didnt even know that a movie called Mashooka existed till I saw your post.Turns out its a B grade film.Check out their reviews While I agree that most of the Indian movies are crap ...there are a few that are really really good , just like any other movie industry.Checkout Nagesh Kukkonoor ,Mani Ratnam or Ram Gopal Verma's films ..they are pretty decent ...or Satyajit Ray's movies if you really want to see a master at work..

    8. Re:I've seen several. by Mateito · · Score: 1

      Sholay rocks. Just make sure you go to the toilet before hand (its longer than Titantic).

    9. Re:I've seen several. by bayankaran · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who mods this crap up?

      The above comment of yours is applicable to your post too!!!

      Indian cinema is not the Hindi cinema you described. The best of Indian cinema happens in regional cinema - Bengali, Malayalam, Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Assamese etc.

      And comparing Aamir Khan to Toshiro Mifune is a bit of a stretch. Aamir is yet to do the body of work Toshiro Mifune did only for Kurosawa. But your quote by Kurosawa on Satyajit Ray is accurate.

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    10. Re:I've seen several. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sholay rocks. Just make sure you go to the toilet before hand (its longer than Titantic).


      Is that a Bollywood version of Titanic?

    11. Re:I've seen several. by bheer · · Score: 1

      Mashooka? Yeh Dil? That's like forming an opinion of Hollywood based on 'Spy Kids 2'.

      Try and see these if you can. I'd say they were all quite watchable, including decent production values:

      Ab tak Chhappan (56 so far) - despite the 'hollywood'-like tag attached to the IMDB description, I found it quite gritty and interesting. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402014/

      Dil Chahta Hai (What the heart wants) - fluffy rom-com that shows Bollywood can get things right when it wants to. Fast forward through the songs, though. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292490/

      They are lacking overall, especially when compared to the masterpieces that regularly come from mainland Europe.

      The problem about many European masterpieces is that they tend to be pretentious. For example, consider Kieslowski's 'Bleu'. Bleu's long periods of lazy silence following the characters around might stroke those who think it's "intellectual" but it just comes across as pretentious. Especially when other talented directors (oh, at random, Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut) can make a approachable yet engaging movie.

    12. Re:I've seen several. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      The difference is, the average American film is better than the average Indian film. There was an Indian film on a couple of nights ago. It was shockingly awful, and five hours long. It had every Bollywood cliche in the book.

      The BBC used to have programmes on in the afternoon to allow amateur directors/writers to showcase their talent. This film was of a similar sort of quality, i.e. awful.

      I've seen Lagaan. Well, I've seen half of it. It was so long they put it on in two parts and I only saw the first. It was average, like a typical made-for-TV film. Not dreadful but don't expect me to buy the DVD. Bend it like Beckham was awful so I don't know why you brought that up.

      Bollywood will never produce something like Apocalypse Now, or Goodfellas, or 2001, or Fight Club, or Lord of the Rings. They don't take themselves anywhere near seriously enough, and I don't think they have the writing/directing talent either. It seems they only do musicals, but even then they can't compete with Western musicals which are far more imaginative.

    13. Re:I've seen several. by XchristX · · Score: 1

      Odd that nobody has mentioned Satyajit Ray yet... Is it because the average ./ reader's knowledge of film history is equivalent to his knowledge of spelling?

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    14. Re:I've seen several. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is /. and not ./ you dumb nigger.

    15. Re:I've seen several. by XchristX · · Score: 1

      Terribly sorry I have a job and a life so I an't pay attention to such gaffes you dumb retarded white-trash cousin-fucking inbred cracker.

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    16. Re:I've seen several. by pc2005 · · Score: 1

      Mind your language please. I too could have made racial remarks, but I still feel that there are better people in your community too :). That would have been injustice to them :). Don't you agree ? Grow up :). Things change too fast ;-).

    17. Re:I've seen several. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Odd that nobody has mentioned Satyajit Ray yet.

      Ray was never really accepted by Bollywood - they often claimed his style was more transnational than Indian.

      Maybe the average /. reader's knowledge of film is greater than your own.

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    18. Re:I've seen several. by XchristX · · Score: 1

      Ray was never really accepted by Bollywood - they often claimed his style was more transnational than Indian.




      That's because a Gujrati businessman-dominated Bollywood can't stomach the fact that an educated and enlightened Indian like Satyajit babu better represents Indian culture and heritage on film than a bunch of ignorant hatemongering pseudo-propagandists, hypocrites and criminals more interested in gratuitous profit-making and being a front for laundering the ill-gotten gains of the Shiv-Sena, the RSS, Arun Gawli and his mafia thugs, and other unsavory elements. These Bollywood producers have no concept of integrity or ethics, and only regurgitate the same nonsensical formulaic garbage corrupting the minds of the people who are unfortunate enough to view it. I'm a Mumbai'te, born and raised, Hindustani to the core, and am damn proud of the fact that I've never seen a single damn Bollywood movie on the big screen (and rarely seen any on TV without getting migraines). Bollywood represents most of what's wrong with our country today, and we'd all be better off without it. Bollywood is nowhere near representing the true face of our way of life, but presents a ridiculous fantasy world with psychosexual undertones. I agree with teh fact that many of the ideas in his films are universal and "transnational", as you put it, but he was Hindu to the core, and a champion of nationalism. If the Bollywood Gujus choose not to accept Satyajit babu as the greatest filmmaker in contemporary Indian history, and injdeed the one man to put the true face of the Indian into film, then they can kiss my Bong ass and defecate on their own beards.

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    19. Re:I've seen several. by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 1
      Try Lagaan, and Monsoon Wedding.

      "Monsoon Wedding" is hardly Bollywood...

    20. Re:I've seen several. by alphakappa · · Score: 1

      Mashooka and Yeh Dil are movies that no one in India has heard of. Saathiya was a great movie in its original Tamil version made by one of India's greatest directors Mani Rathnam, but I'm not sure how good the remake was. I suggest that you get your Indian movies from Netflix where you can see the user ratings - In a country that produces a gazillion movies, the average movie is sure to suck. You need to get movie recommendations from Indians rather than watching movies like 'Yeh Dil'

      For starters, use this.

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  26. Do you have any proof? by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    Do you have any proof to back up your accusations of money laundering, or are you just making unsubstantiated claims, Russ?

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    1. Re:Do you have any proof? by damiam · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a claim or accusation, it was a bit of speculation. No need to take offense.

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    2. Re:Do you have any proof? by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      It's widely believed that oreganized crime is deeply embedded in Bollywood financing, herbs, and spices. Indian slashdot readers will be coming online shortly, and I'm sure that some of them will concur.
      -russ

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    3. Re:Do you have any proof? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 2, Informative

      No need to apologize - your bit of speculation is spot on. I'm Indian and the Indian film industry used to be awash in underworld money - it's gotten a bit better in recent years, but still is quite significant:

      http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id= 13294051
      Of the 143 Hindi films (excluding dubbed ones) released in 2000, barely 5 or 7 were funded by the underworld. Of the 150 films of 2001 or 140 of 2002, not more than 8 or 10 in each of the two years could have been made with funds from questionable sources. How can 4 or 5 per cent be taken as representing the entire production sector?

    4. Re:Do you have any proof? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's a better article:
      http://www.bollywhat.com/darkside.html

      (As we Indians say: "Google zindabad" long live google) :-P

    5. Re:Do you have any proof? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      So is the US film market. I've worked on at least two films where the crew was paid in CASH. In fact, one of those two was a film where the DP was sent on cash runs, in a chauffered car, to pick up "packages" that were filled with cash.

      the independent film industry in particular is awash with money laundering.

      I'm really sorry about that btw.

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    6. Re:Do you have any proof? by Mateito · · Score: 2, Funny
      Its pretty common in the movie business. Way back when the Mob had a lot of money in Cinema.

      Mario Puzo wrote about it in The Godfather so it must be true.

    7. Re:Do you have any proof? by plover · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but you failed to mention the other 11 runs he made was for Astroglide...

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    8. Re:Do you have any proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you need a proof that earth is round?

      Money Laundering is the main reason why so many movies are made in India. Do you really think people watch all the movies?

      If you see the people behind the movies, you would get better idea. Producers, directors, actors of most of the movies have nothing to do with Cinema as art (well, you can say that for Hollywood too - but only upto certain extent).

      Indian movie industry is the ultimate recycle bin as well as biggest money laundering facility.

  27. They're where Hollywood was in the 1950s. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

    Indeed, they often do use dance and song. Take a look at many 1950s movies from Hollywood. You basically have the same thing going on there, especially in non-musicals.

    That could be because many of the top Bollywood performers are also singers. They become famous because of their music, and then get top billing in many of the Bollywood movies. It only makes sense for them to sing, as that is their first talent, before acting.

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    1. Re:They're where Hollywood was in the 1950s. by Gja · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That could be because many of the top Bollywood performers are also singers.

      Actually, this really isn't true.

      The music industry and the film industry rarely have people crossing over.

      They work together very closely, as music is a very important part of the scene, but singers rarely become actors and vice versa.

      However, every Ms India / Ms India who became Ms World / Universe / Foo automatically has a long acting career ahead of her

    2. Re:They're where Hollywood was in the 1950s. by Mateito · · Score: 1

      This is true. The actresses are there to be cute and dance. They tend to mime to soundtracks recorded by professional singers who are probably not as cute, and thus don't get the credit they deserve.

    3. Re:They're where Hollywood was in the 1950s. by cygnusx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh they get credit. They also have huge fan followings and compilations are a cash cow for Indian record companies. Check out these wikipedia entries.

    4. Re:They're where Hollywood was in the 1950s. by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 1
      Actually, this really isn't true.

      The music industry and the film industry rarely have people crossing over.

      In fact, most songs are dubbed. And nearly all actresses sound the same when singing, to this day, because nearly all are dubbed by Lata Mangeshkar.

  28. Re:And? by IANAAC · · Score: 1
    But, in about another 3-5 years, bollywood will re-align some of their movies and will start targeting the hollywood crowd.

    I don't think so. The story isn't what sells a movie. It's the star(s). It's been that way for a very long time.

    When was the last (or first) time you've seen a Bollywood star with massive international appeal without the help of Hollywood? Marketing is what Hollywood does best. Bollywood's got a ways to go on that.

  29. Just ecomonics - weak piracy argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The anti-piracy argument is pretty weak. It is really the economics that makes sense. From the article "While it takes around 70,000 rupees to make a celluloid print, RealImage rents out digital copies to cinema owners at less than 400 rupees." So it costs a lot less for the movie theaters, so it makes the industry profitable by cutting the distribution costs. It doesn't change the production costs (at least not from that article).

  30. Entry cost $33000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great news. Perfect digital copies, and the entry price of 33K keeps away pesky street pirate wantabees. The big 'Players' will be cheering this, and even the trusted couriers who can demand a bigger cut between suudio and far flung cinemas.

  31. Less piracy by CyrusD · · Score: 0, Troll

    There is absolutely no way that digital cinemas would curb piracy!

  32. Re:And? by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People outside of India should care, why?

    Because they're adopting a different technology strategy than companies in the US are. In particular, they're opting for better than we have now (if not better than we hope to have), and sooner to market, and cheaper. This is something that should make people

    It's not as if these guys couldn't be selling us this technology in the near future, while our "better" technology is still trying to get off the dime.

    I'm sure it's an aquired taste

    Well, it's more of a cultural difference, the way that Hong Kong audiences love an incredily corny tear jerker. You probably don't realize how ridiculous the movies your countrymen like until you live someplace else. I kid an Indian friend of mine whenever he's going to piss his wife off by working late that she's going to make him climb to the top of a grassy knoll and dance around a tree. He hasn't thought of it yet, but I suppose he could tell me to check for a bomb strapped to the bottom of my car when I'm in the same situation.

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  33. Kinds of Cinema by carcosa30 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do the terms E-Cinema and D-Cinema have anything to do with the fact that 99% of films that are coming out these days are B movies?

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    1. Re:Kinds of Cinema by ephex · · Score: 1

      B might be a bit generous.

    2. Re:Kinds of Cinema by thePfhitz · · Score: 1

      Of course! Nobody wants to C them.

    3. Re:Kinds of Cinema by sulli · · Score: 1

      Only the ones with A-List stars.

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    4. Re:Kinds of Cinema by carcosa30 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, NO SHIT.

      I've seen maybe 5 new movies in the last two years. I thought they were all trash. Two of the best ones had a scientologist killing people, and that should tell you something.

      IF ANYTHING my original comment was unfair to Bollywood. Bollywood at least tries.

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  34. eliminates financial risk of distribution... by Dzimas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Low-cost digital cinemas should theoretically slash distribution costs, but I suspect the cost savings will be a negligible percentage of the total cost to make, publicize and distribute the film. What the shift WILL do is slash the cost of distributing the 11 out of 12 films that are money losers in a manner that will transform the industry. Currently, movieplexes *have* to play stinker films for a short while, because the print is couriered to them and there aren't extra prints of the popular films to replace them. The distributor manufactures hundreds of prints of marginal films, and wants to see at least some return on their investment. So the film lingers for a few weeks in the cinema. With digital distribution, money losers can be quickly deleted from distribution at not cost -- it's not like there are hundreds of film prints that suddenly become worthless.

  35. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kal ho na ho

  36. Indian cinema is not Bollywood by bayankaran · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bollywood is used to identify the 100 plus Hindi cinema coming from Mumbai (Bombay). India has major film producing centers in Chennai for Tamil films (Madras), Hyderabad for Telugu films, Bangalore for Kannada Films, Thiruvananthapuram and Kochi (Cochin)for Malayalam Films, Kolkatha (Calcutta) for Bengali films, Guwahati for Assamese films etc., where the other 900 plus films are made every year.

    What you see in theaters in UK/USA/New Zealand/Australia/other countries are Hindi films catering to the Non-Resident-Indian audience. And most cities will have one or two theaters that cater to Tamil films, Bengali films, Malayalam films, Kannada films and Telugu films.

    The examples you gave were of poorly made films. To understand Indian cinema, try the films of Satyajit Ray, Ritwick Ghatak, Mrinal Sen, Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Aravindan, Shaji N Karun, Shyam Benegal, Ketan Mehta, Girish Kasaravalli etc. You will not be disappointed.

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  37. WTF is a 'bolly'? by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

    Why do they call it 'bollywood'?

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    1. Re:WTF is a 'bolly'? by Trotsky820 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a conflation of Bombay and Hollywood.

  38. It's about the tech. not about the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA, you dumbass.

  39. hollywood + bombay by adamgeek · · Score: 1

    the majority of indian film production takes place in bombay, i believe.

    hence, bollywood.

    1. Re:hollywood + bombay by Mateito · · Score: 1

      But now that Bombay has returned to its pre-colonial name of Mumbai, shouldn't that be "Mollywood"?

    2. Re:hollywood + bombay by Argon · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with that is Mollywood (M for Madras) was originally the Tamil Cinema world. Of course, now the Tamil Cinema world is Chennai since Madras was officially renamed as Chennai. Still, calling Bollywood as Mollywood would be too confusing.

    3. Re:hollywood + bombay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Mollywood is already in use for Malayalam films made in the South (usually Madras); Tollywood for Bengali films (from Tollygunge, a neighbourhood in Calcutta); Kollywood for Tamil films made in Madras (from Kodambakkam, a locality where most of the studios were originally located); and Gollywood for Telugu films (Golt + Kollywood - it's a little complicated to explain).

    4. Re:hollywood + bombay by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 1
      The problem with that is Mollywood (M for Madras) was originally the Tamil Cinema world.

      It's usually called Kollywood (from Kodambakkam, an area of Madras/Chennai where most studios are located.)

  40. Re:And? by BewireNomali · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many agree with you about the star system. The star system is waning though; the list of stars is short and has been static in the US for a while.

    A lot of market research shows that younger generations are not really star-centric. Celebrity is disposable, so no long term relationships are made with actors/directors, etc.

    So to address your statement, the story is actually far more likely to sell a story in the US film market. More accurately, HIGH CONCEPT. This is what hollywood terms a film that can be summarized succinctly, usually in the title. For example: Titanic... or The Perfect Storm, Anaconda, et al. High concept films focus on the simple catchy idea that is easily conveyed. This reduces costs because a name cast is not necessary; the film sells itself. The title is a marketing phrase. The way hollywood hedges bets is that they tie a name cast to a high concept film and assume that all bases are covered. Tom Cruise in American Samurai, or Tom Hanks in Castaway. These are sure moneymakers and everyone wants to bankroll those.

    The star system is more effective for the older crowd. 45-64s make up about 25% of the moviegoing pop in the US, the second biggest chunk behind the 12-24s. Stars matter to them; they establish relationships with their artists and nurture those relationships.

    That's why your summer blockbuster is packed with your rapper/pop star du jour and suitably MTVed dialogue. Serious films with stars are more likely distributed during the rest of the year on non-holiday weekends but most likely during Oscar season, typically considered to be the fall and winter.

    Re: Bollywood. Bollywood movies won't cross over here for two reasons. Americans on a whole tend to be very culturally arrogant. If Bollywood films don't already fit the existing view Americans have of Indians, they will not be embraced. Americans watch films to affirm themselves, for the most part... and this attitude transcends racial, gender, and age lines. Americans for the most part, feel themselves superior.

    Also, Bollywood movies are bound by cultural restraints that will make them less than viable here.

    The other side of that, is that a Bollywood star who tries to cross over here risks alienating his bollywood audience, to the point where he/she might not be viable over there any more.

    So much of the world has become acclimated to consuming our product, it is more likely that they'll come towards the US style of filmmaking as opposed to the other way around.

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  41. Digital Cinema and ticket prices... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    So the movie industry says that digital cinema will save them money and of course they'll say it will have increased clarity, sound etc... and they'll probably even say it will be cheaper to make movies...

    In the end they'll raise ticket prices to "recover the cost of the digital cinema investment" and ticket prices will go up...

    It's like how there are 'conveinence fees' for paying bills online, it saves the company $$$ by having me pay for something online (1 less person opening mail), but they twist it around to make me pay >${cost_of_stamp}.

    Look at Fandango... i have to pay service charges so I don't have to stand in line... they love the fact that I don't have to stand in line... but i'm not paying an extra $3 to not stand in line...

    1. Re:Digital Cinema and ticket prices... by qbzzt · · Score: 1

      In the end they'll raise ticket prices to "recover the cost of the digital cinema investment" and ticket prices will go up...

      It's like how there are 'conveinence fees' for paying bills online, it saves the company $$$ by having me pay for something online (1 less person opening mail), but they twist it around to make me pay >${cost_of_stamp}.


      It won't necessarily work. In the US, these things work because enough people pay for them. We are a rich society, and therefore a lazy one. We are a lot more willing to pay for convenience.

      I suspect that in India if they raised the price of a luxury item like film tickets, they'll sell less of them.

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  42. Bollywood copy protection by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bollywood has discovered a very effective method of preventing illegal copying of their films.
    They make mostly Hindi musicals.

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  43. Re:And? by Mateito · · Score: 1
    I'm sure it's an aquired taste

    Yep. And American Pie is at the pinancle of class movie making, as were its two sequels.

    Jackie Chan was once asked if he regretted never being a huge star (rather than just a Cult Hero) in the US. He basically said that with One Billion People in China, why did he need the English speaking world?

    Same with Spanish language Movies. Pedro Almodovar is hardly known by mainstream english speaking viewers, but is huge in Spain and throughout Latin America.

  44. Re:And? by Mateito · · Score: 0

    I aint ingorant! Send 'em all back to their Rersevations with their TeePees, their Squaws and their Bollywood movies!

  45. Re:And? by utnow · · Score: 1

    Like spelling and grammar!

  46. Re:hollywood + Mumbai by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

    Mullywood?

    or Mummywood?

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  47. Re:And? by ErikZ · · Score: 1


    Using that logic, CGI movies will never sell.

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  48. Won't Somebody Please Think of the Business Model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Over 1000 films are made each year in India and just 1 film in 12 makes a profit.

    This sad fact is a national tragedy for India. Clearly, Intellectual Property laws need to be substantially strengthened, both in India and worldwide, so that every film or other work, no matter where it was made, receives every penny of the profits that their creators had hoped for.

    I personally hope that they track down the individuals that are responsible for this failure of 11 out of 12 movies and they throw the book at them. As far as I'm concerned, they can rot in jail indefinitely for destroying over 91% of the Indian cinema industry.

  49. Bollywood, Tollywood, Kollywood.... by v_tel001 · · Score: 1

    Most of the movies in India are made in three languages - Hindi (Bollywood), Telugu (Tollywood) and Tamil (Kollywood). Majority in the above three languages are the so called 'masala' , commercial movies, with song, dance, fights n stuff. But there are occasionally some meaningful movies, which make it to international film festivals. The languages which win more awards are usually Bengali and Malayalam. Satyajit Ray and Shyam Benegal are some good directors. In Telugu, I would recommend K.Viswanath's musical, award-winning classics - Sagara Sangamam, Shankarabharanam, Swathi Muthyam etc.

    1. Re:Bollywood, Tollywood, Kollywood.... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      " But there are occasionally some meaningful movies, which make it to international film festivals"

      But which make the most money?

      I'm just wondering. Is the film industry in India in touch with their audience?

      I'm not sure what the film industry in the US is up to...

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  50. It's not DRM that they're relying on by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure that this will cut down on piracy, but it will certainly be interesting to watch what happens. This is one area where DRM would work very well. There are others, of course, but this one application is a good place for DRM and encryption etc.

    The way I've read the article, I don't think that DRM has anything to do with their reasoning as to why this will cut down on piracy. For all we know from the article, they might not even be incorporating DRM in their digital copies.

    The main problem seems to be that it simply takes so long to get celluloid copies rolled out to everywhere at the same time, and a large part of this is because the expense makes it difficult for smaller theatres to get movies quickly. People then buy from the pirates because the genuine copies aren't available.

    It's similar to what happens in developed countries outside the US when the industry tries to hold up a movie or TV show's international release for anything from months to years until whatever overseas seasons they think will be most profitable. People ignore the industry and simply pirate copies from the US. (Hence the regionised DVD players, which have been an attempt by the MPAA to make it difficult or illegal for people to import and export movies between countries independently from the industry.)

    The main difference seems to be that Bollywood isn't withholding movies intentionally --- it simply can't get them around everywhere quickly enough. Lower cost digital systems mean that Bollywood distributors can distribute more widely and more quickly to the much smaller population centres, meaning that people will have less incentive to pirate the movies.

    1. Re:It's not DRM that they're relying on by DUdsen · · Score: 1

      And there is one really simple reliable way to prevent any middle man from copying the disc's, encryption. You will have to have some insider give you an unencryptet copy, witch make piracy a bit harder.

  51. India's Bollywood? by Orlando · · Score: 1

    There are other Bollywoods I didn't know about?

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    1. Re:India's Bollywood? by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's to save us from the otherwise inevitable "What the hell is Bollywood?" comments.

  52. What's the difference? by GunFodder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So Indian movie production companies are an insider industry controlled by several families. Many crappy movies are produced, but the profits from just a few hits sustain those companies. And many of the so-called new talents are actually related to higher powers in the movie industry.

    How is this different from Hollywoood?

  53. Re:And? by bheer · · Score: 1

    > They're certainly not big outside of India, and I've heard and even seen a little of their films

    I can't stand 'em myself (and get grief from family who are all in Bollywood's thrall) but 'not big outside India' is not true. Bollywood films are incredibly popular in Pakistan/Afghanistan, the Middle East and Egypt. I've even come (non-Indian diaspora) Bollywood fans from Nigeria (although their local film biz is getting bigger and more popular these days) and Uganda, as well East Europe and Russia.

    To say that Bollywood would probably not appeal to Western tastes is probably a fair statement, though. It's not the music or that many are musicals, it's that they are *way* too melodramatic (but Indians like it that way) and basically have plotholes you could drive trucks through. That and the fact that 99% of all their stories follow variations around the same basic plotline about boy-meets-girl / $problem / marry-and-live-happily-ever-after.

  54. Missing the Point by AppleFever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everybody is missing the point here. The point is not that they are fighting piracy, but changing the way feature films have always been made and shown. If anybody has even taken a film history class, you would realize the effect film has on the audience, compared to ordinary digital. If you are going for a certain effect, you will use film. Film is far superior to watch than digital.

    The real issue here is the industry is cutting costs, while making us think it is better. We will all remember the days when we used to use real 35mm prints and how much better it was. A film projector projects nothing more then it projects a picture. Most of the time, black is on the screen rather than a picture. Digital projectors don't do this.

    Film is expensive, it is hard to work with, and it becomes costly to edit and reproduce and distribute. But we don't care about that. We should be concerned with the inferior replacement of film by digital. That's the difference between going to a theater and popping in a DVD at home. The film experience.

    1. Re:Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the difference between going to a theater and popping in a DVD at home.


      For me the difference of going to a theater and watching a movie at home is:
      • At home there are no idiots talking all the way thru the movie
      • At home there are no cellphones going off in the middle of the movie
      • At home I don't have to sit in the godawful stench of popcorn for 90+ minuters
      • 5.1 sound and ws-projector at home. Theater in town has crappy stereo sound and secondrate projector.
      • Comfortable chairs and sofa at home, in contrast to the torture equipment the local theater has to offer
      • I can watch a movie whenever I want at home


      So, what's the allure of going to a theater again?
      For all the benfits I get for watching a movie at home I'm more than willing to endure the odd digital artifact here and there. In total the experience is _much_ more preferable.
    2. Re:Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alot has happened in the digital film world. Things like digital HD cams with more then 8-bit (per channel) quality is starting to get more affordable and it's just a matter of time before we start seeing 32-bit cameras. Digital cameras also bring down costs of post-production. No need to scan the pictures for grading and no need to print them out back on film. All these things are costly and time consuming.

    3. Re:Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The real issue here is the industry is cutting costs, while making us think it is better.

      Hmmm, somehow that strategy sounds familiar.

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  55. Re:And? by shmlco · · Score: 1
    "Bollywood movies won't cross over here for two reasons. Americans on a whole tend to be very culturally arrogant."

    Precisely. Another indication is that you can probably count the number of French or Spanish films that became "hits" in the US on the fingers of your left foot. For some reason, it's probably easier to get the average American into the dentist's office for a double root canal than it is to get them to see a foreign film. Especially (shudder) an "art" film with a n actual plot and dialog.

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  56. Major stars? Try Amitabh Bachchan by felila · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The U.S. isn't the whole world. Bollywood movies regularly crack the top ten lists in the UK, are extremely popular in the Arab world, and have many devoted fans in Russia. In a recent UK poll, Amitabh Bachchan showed up as THE top movie star. Bollywood is developing much more of a following in the US as well. Even if you don't have an Indian cinema or an Indian grocery-spice-video shop in your area, you can sample the films through Netflix. After a while ... they kinda grow on you.

    1. Re:Major stars? Try Amitabh Bachchan by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

      National Geographic had an article about India's film industry not long ago. Basically the thing condensed down to the following:

      India's movies are typically boiler-plate, and most are based upon the same recurring theme.

      Religion and social norms drastically influence the movies. The whole act of dating / courting would be considered extremely backwards and controlled here in the USA. It would be the type of thing we would attribute to the Amish, or the way things were 100 years ago here.

      Most of the movies are very surrealistic. The characters will suddenly break into song and dance - a literal music video within the movie. The characters will change costumes and locations many times during the song, and then the song ends and suddenly it's back to a "normal" movie again.

      The movies are a source of escapism to a mainly impoverished society. Many movies are shown in tents and other ramshackle theaters that look very seedy at best. Their target audience doesn't want to see realism, or even something down to earth. They want to see love stories where a poor person is escalated into another caste because their lover (not in the literal sense) is wealthy. They want to see 20 exotic locations that they will never get to physically visit, all compressed into a single movie, even though there is no reason whatsoever within the plot or storyline to visit 20 different locations.

      The simple fact is that these type of movies would not go over well here in the US. In the vast bulk of films the production levels are so low they simply wouldn't be taken seriously. Indian movie goers simply don't demand much of their movies, so Bollywood keeps churning out the same thing over and over.

      In my opinion it is similar to soap operas here in the US. Many people (myself included) look down on soap operas. They seem to be more about quantity than quality, and have a certain cheesy aura to them. However there are those that love them and can't get enough of them. What Bollywood produces is similar, except the cheesy factor is greatly amplified.

      Dan East

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    2. Re:Major stars? Try Amitabh Bachchan by rockyrajesh · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That was probably 20 years ago. Now, this research can be called as outdated. Yes I agree that most of the films are not good. But,things are picking up. Lately,I've seen lot of bollywood and some regional language movies which are way better than lot of Hollywood movies. And that's the way people over there like it. They like to have some song and dance sequences and meaningful ones at that. If you don't want to see song and dances, fine. Get a movie with all its songs cut. I'm sure you will miss the songs.

    3. Re:Major stars? Try Amitabh Bachchan by arun_kyahoo.com · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Please, if you actually believe the accuracy+validity of those polls, then I have a bridge I can sell you in Brooklyn. They steal movie story lines left and right, and make them so ridiculous, it not even funny or they are "inspired". At least acknowledge that they are based on a previously released movie instead of claiming it was your own idea. Why can't they simply get rid of the stupid songs and shit have the movie only. You can easily do that with a DVD nowadays. Its ridiculous having to skip through 50-60% of the movie.

    4. Re:Major stars? Try Amitabh Bachchan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but the songs are better than the rest of the movie ;-)

  57. What about low budget Indie Film Makers ? by shashark · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's strange that noone has really talked about Low Bugdget Independent Film Makers in bolloywood/elsewhere who see India/Indian Diaspora as a market. They would benefit immensely by this, as they work on shoe-string budget and are always in need of alternatives to cut down on costs.

    Last heard, a low budget Indie movie "Hyderabad Blues" about an Indian returning from states went on to become a surprise hit and made more money than other movies. This is what makes Low-Cost Digital Cinema exciting. Low cost digital cinema lowers the barriers and lets your reach more people per dollar. This is what the article should be about.

    Not the 20 mafia-funded, casting couch expert producers (everyone other than perhaps the police knows bollywood is mostly a conduit to route underworld money) who anyway have to route black money, but hundreds of Indie film makers who have a new story to tell and spend their own dollar on it.

    Me ? I don't watch big budget bollywood movies. I hate to spend my dollar to fund poppy growing Afghanistanian warlords.

  58. Re:Decrease Piracy? - the DVD anle by ehenning · · Score: 1

    Actually, the greater danger with digital piracy is the DVD market. It is well reported that US film studios are making more and more of their money from the DVD release of their films today. If the pirate can access the digital file, he can quickly create a DVD and flood the market before the studio can release their own version. With that said, I would also expect to see the dates between theatrical release and DVD release coming closer and closer together. Theatrical releases, DVDs, Video-on-Demand are all facets of the same business model. Studios are realizing that they can make more money from minor hits/flops with the DTD (Direct-to-DVD) and VOD models with lower risk, while promoting the 'theater experience' for the blockbusters. Especially now with digital distribution, the studios will not have to invest as much in the theatrical release, meaning they do not need to restrict customers access to the movie on other medium for as long.

  59. Re:And? by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

    And how many of the ignorant Yanks on here could even point to any of those countries on a map (aaagh my poor karma).

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  60. Piracy "Deterring" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital Cinema functions in a way that enable different theaters to watermark the same movie "package" (the hard drive that gets mailed around) differently. Obviously, a movie on a screen is just a movie on the screen either way, which doesn't affect the difficulty of camcordering it, but it DOES enable the studio to identify the source, and talk to the theater in question. The frame-accurate watermarking is accomplished by a video overlay (it's not part of the video encode), the full details of which (timecode, on-screen position) are known only by the folks at the end of line, right when the video, audio, and subtitles are combined and before the packages are shipped off.

    It's actually a simple step that helps the studios TRACK piracy, with the long-term value of deterring piracy at particularly "leaky" theaters.

  61. Really Dumb statement... by polyp2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.

    In absolutely all cases i can think of going to digital has actually made piracy not only easier but faster. Gone are the days where someone from the cutting room or the projector room would have to go through the lengthy process of transferring to a digicam or whatever. Now that the films will come pre-digitised, its just a matter of moving bits from one format to another.

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    1. Re:Really Dumb statement... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      It's not a "dumb statement" at all, you simply do not understand what it is referring to. Somebody else already made almost the exact same statement as you, so instead of argue with you, I'll just link you to the original thread:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166784&cid=139 07273

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  62. Re:And? by agile_architect · · Score: 1

    Send them to "where"? Can you be little more specific?

  63. Some clarifications by L.Bob.Rife · · Score: 1

    Some clarificiations...

    There are also scary things that you can do with digital film to discourage piracy, such as watermarking films by theater, date, and time.

    Watermarking is being done with analog film right now, and has been going on for the past year or so.

    If you look at a modern digital film, such as Spiderman 2, you'll occasionally see some dots along the bottom of the screen.

    Correct, and the same is done with analog but the dots are in a pattern across the screen.

    police can track down which group of people saw the movie, and if you paid in advance or with a credit card, they know who was there

    Thankfully, you are very wrong. Certainly the police won't be tracking anything. The MPAA can look at copies downloaded, and track it to the theater. Theaters absolutely will not, (and more importantly have no ability to) give up patron credit card information regarding particular shows. The digital cinema systems do not imprint a unique id code per screening of the film. Theater POS and backend office software do not effectively track credit card purchases by showing. What will happen is the MPAA may discover that a film was copied at a certain theater, and inform the management, perhaps offering lots of helpful pamphlets to give to employees to train them on how to catch pirates.

    I know this because I'm the chief systems administrator and part of the upper management of a theater chain, and the person responsible for evaluating the software systems we use, and dealing with technical discussions with other companies / organizations. Believe me, if what you said was true, I would know the precise details of how it works.

  64. Geek Dream by rathehun · · Score: 1
    Ms. Foo?

    ;), R.

    1. Re:Geek Dream by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Foo is also a Chinese surname.

      BTW I heard an Indian friend of a close relative said that his parents wanted his significant other to be slim, fair skinned, have reasonably straight hair, so he muttered something in the line of "sounds like a chinese girl".

      I'm not sure what his parents response was... ;).

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  65. Umm... by rathehun · · Score: 1
    Excellent observation, but I think you meant Satyajit Ray's Apu Trilogy.

    R.

    1. Re:Umm... by doodlelogic · · Score: 1

      Both are perfectly understandable transliterations of his [hindi] name.

  66. Re:And? by Alioth · · Score: 1

    India is bigger population wise than the USA and the European Union put together. Indians might be asking the same question of Hollywood, and why Bollywood has been named after it.

  67. Re:And? by IANAAC · · Score: 1
    Using that logic, CGI movies will never sell.

    Take a look at the list of stars behind the characters' voices. They're not unknowns. They're pretty big stars that command hefty compensation.

  68. Re:And? by mofag · · Score: 0

    So this is flamebait but the parent isn't? Oh boy you guys need to get your heads out of your arses. Yes I was stupid to reply to flamebait but that doesn't make this flamebait unless the person moderating is as ignorant and insular as the original poster. If the parent or the following post had been moderated as "funny" that would be one thing but "interesting"? All I'm asking is that people from the US try just try a little bit not to live up to the stereotypes that the rest of the world holds about you. I was under the misconception that /. was a good place to find non-stereotypical americans. I'm not angry, just disappointed :)

  69. Superior? Most film = 24fps by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm too used to monitors set to 85Hz and games at > 60fps, but 24 fps is a really crappy framerate.

    I especially noticed the crappy framerate in the LOtR scenery pans- maybe because it was digitally rendered and nonmotion blurred?

    Anyway, it wasn't just LOtR, you can see that flicker/ripple thing in the cinema all the time.

    Filming in film is also crappy for low light shooting, unless you really want a particular effect.

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    1. Re:Superior? Most film = 24fps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      24fps is the sweet spot for film
      thats why films look like film and not shiiity coroporate video.
      thats why good tv shot on film looks great its still played at 30fps
      vut its shot on 24fps film then transferred at 30 fps[telecined] to medium which will be played at 30fps.

      where it dont work tats just shitty printing,lazy cgi/ poor projectionist.

  70. Bollywood women! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, those are some hot women. Nearly every one of them... wow

    What are Idian women like anyway? What do they generally look for in men?

  71. They're giving what their audience wants. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Their target audience doesn't want to see realism, or even something down to earth. They want to see love stories where a poor person is escalated into another caste because their lover (not in the literal sense) is wealthy. They want to see 20 exotic locations that they will never get to physically visit, all compressed into a single movie, even though there is no reason whatsoever within the plot or storyline to visit 20 different locations"

    Y'know, I'm not a impoverished Indian villager, but I don't want pay money to see day to day stuff either.

    Why should I pay money to see dark movies about the bad guy winning, or stupid violence when I could just turn on the TV and watch the news.

    And if I wanted cynicism, there's plenty of it nowadays for free.

    Say all you like about movies like "Finding Nemo" but those do make money, it makes me wonder why Hollywood makes the usual movies they do - if they're really interested in profit. Do they have some sort of agenda or something?

    At least Bollywood is making what their target audience wants (or will at least settle for). Whereas just look at this year's lack lustre stuff from Hollywood.

    Movies made by heartless accountants or executives or committees?

    Seems almost like either there has to be some Emperor's New Clothes syndrome somewhere (Yes sir, the movie will be a hit), or they are intentionally doing this.

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  72. No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the time that each Bollywood film goes to video, it will be pirated so many times that the jaggies will have completely disappeared, and Mrs. Dixit will still drive those shiftless Saudis absolutely crazy.

  73. Or the reverse to lower costs by Charles+Jo · · Score: 0

    If Bollywood makes less movies that require so much singing and choreography, that should at least save on payroll for each movie.

    On a more serious note, since English is spoken in India, Bollywood has a great chance to be a serious global player in the entertainment business.

  74. Indian MTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An MTV will be MTV - be it Indian or American.

    If you think its dishing out american shit in America, do you expect it not to dish out Indian shit in India?

    Its the same shit, of different nationality.. er.. or something..

  75. Re:Decrease Piracy? Maybe. by BishopBerkeley · · Score: 1

    It's interesting that none of the movie industry people quoted in the article says that the savings associated with digital screening will be passed on to the consumers of the crappy movies. Rather, they hope that the savings will offset the losses of the turkeys. Well, in the long run, this might be the RIAA saga with CDs: charging people too much might make them want to wait and steal the movie instead.

    It would be nice not to have to cough up $10 for a crappy movie anymore. Doing that is bad enough. Knowing that by wasting $10 and 2 hours of one's life one may actually be subsidizing crappy movies even more, one may be inclined to, well, not participate in the bargain. This is not my situation. I barely see two movies a year, but the larger moviegoing audience might not feel quite the same way.

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  76. Lagaan, Dil Chahta Hai, Asoka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All awesome.