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Linspire CEO Offers S. Korea To Replace Windows
Spy der Mann writes "Noticing the Microsoft threat to withdraw Windows from South Korea, the Linspire CEO, Kevin Carmony, just offered to license every computer in the country with Linspire, for just $5m. This would be around 10 cents / person. 'South Korea could save around a quarter of a billion dollars. More importantly, however, it would break South Korea loose from the monopolistic grasp of Microsoft, which the country currently finds itself under,'"
While I'm sure the slashbots will shout and cry about the virtues of linux (despite being Linspire), it sounds more like a grab for attention than anything serious. While I'm sure Carmony could make a bundle on the deal, could he really support all of South Korea? I wonder if he even has a team of translators for the major world languages to begin with!
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Really, that is all it is. I like Linux as much as other people, but I don't think South Korea, as a whole, is going to jump on this just as I really don't believe MS will pull out of South Korea. It's all marketing and jocking for positions. There is no way that MS will leave South Korea, one of the most advanced industrial nationas around and a lot more advanced than USA. Oh no, MS will never leave South Korea, it means too much to them.
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Linspire will replace crippled Windows with Linux - cheap
He's going to provide support for 50 million computers at 10 cents each? Would be quite tough.
If there is no support involved, I'd like to provide South Korea with Linux for 50 million computers in the form of either CentOS, Fedora or Ubuntu for free and free with "community support".
What's the deal?
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Almost any korean website seems to be made for IE, and especially things like clubbox.co.kr, those only work with ActiveX plugins ... doubt koreans are really ready to change their oses ...
... only old people will keep using MS Windows.
I'll give you South Korea.
Where do I sign up?
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Korea is too tied to MS for anything like this to happen any time soon. Ironically, with the exception of the Xbox, and MS Office, just about everything else Microsoft has a strong grip here. Major websites are designed for IE, Palm is hardly popular, Apple is only used by some 20K people, etc etc etc. There will be repercussions if MS has to back out of the OS market.
they have starcraft for linux
Just look at Mozilla and Firefox and you see what a difference a little marketing can make.
- South Koreans game a lot.
- South Koreans game with PCs (as Consoles where illegal till last year)
- So they will continue to need current games for the OS they use.
Sure, the currently installed Windows base won't vanish, but the change would happen when games start to require Vista.I take it you hold MS Windows to be a user friendly operating system. Sp does that mean if (thought experiment) Windows were to be open-sourced it would suddenly become user-unfriendly?
Or were you just trolling?
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This would be around 10 cents / person. 'South Korea could save around a quarter of a billion dollars.
Right, and how much would be the cost of Win->Lin transition? Training thousands of people? Porting millions of lines of code? Translating all the stuff? and so forth. Whoever told this must take a look my signature!
That's my experience, too. Even if they don't require ActiveX, very few Korean websites will actually display properly in another browser - even fewer if you use a pop-up blocker. I don't think that anyone tests on anything else.
Korean computer culture seems to be even more homogenised than it is in other countries. Everyone uses Windows; everyone's on MSN Messenger; everyone has a Cyworld Mini-hompy[1]. My iBook received interesting responses: those that had heard of Macs thought that they were tools for graphic artists.
In addition, there's a big limitation in that SEED, a Korean 128-bit encryption system used in online banking since the days of US 40-bit-only export restrictions, is only supported in IE; although there are moves to port it to Firefox, it hasn't been completed yet, as far as I know.
1. Mini-homepage, a sort of personalised blog/music/photo-sharing site. They are literally miniature, too: even on a large monitor, the 'mini-hompy' is limited to a few hundred pixels in each direction in the centre of the page.
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How many windows do they have in South Korea? I just had seven fitted for 500 quid. I think South Korea is getting a bargin!
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Linspire CEO Offers S. Korea To Replace Windows
It definitely sounds like an interesting idea, but how is South Korea going to run on my machine? Plus, having the whole country installed on my drive sounds like it will take up a _lot_ of space...
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That is one generous offer by the Linspire CEO. I give up Windows and he will give me South Korea? I would take him up on the offer but I would be kind of nervous about North Korea blowing it up. Plus Windows probably has a lower cost of operation than entire country of South Korea.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
It was a bold move, and it did not cost him a penny to do it. If he pulls it off he'll be 5m ahead of where he is right now, since his market share in ROK is pretty much zero. If he pulls it off he also gets to use it as a precedent to go country-by-country offering blanket licenses, which will make Linspire some good money and will royally piss off Microsoft.
Regardless of the merits of Lindows v. all the other Linux distributions out there, this is all about marketing, and it was the right thing to do. Microsoft cannot even afford a counter offer, since this will set the same kind of precedent and every government in the world is going to demand a blanket license like that.
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It doesn't come with GCC, you do everything as root and are dependent upon the company for updates. Linspire is horrible shit, it's leeching off the OSS idea while pretending to "promote" it.
Korea is largely considered, next to Japan, to be one of the gaming capitols of the world. If they all dump Microsoft I wonder how the game publishing/programming houses will react?
This could be a good thing.
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I'm currently studying abroad in South Korea and there's no way Koreans would give up Windows. The whole society LOVES Windows. Internet Explorer and excessive use of Active-X are king. Everybody here has Cyworld (a Myspace type deal) and you can't access about half of its content without using Internet Explorer on Windows. Plus Nespot, the nation's largest free wireless service, requires you to be running a Windows machine to use their client. PC Bangs all use Windows as video gaming is huge here and every game runs off of Windows.
Hell, almost every machine at Space 9 (a huge technology store) comes with the latest Vista beta installed. It's going to take a lot more than offering Linspire to the whole country to make a switch like that. I agree it's just free marketing.
Well it's better than those capitalist pigs!
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... because it rides on the coat-tails of Windows itself which, of course, only got where it is today by riding on the coat-tails of DOS, which rode on the coat-tails of the IBM-PC
You see, having lived through the whole PC revolution, I contend that MS did not hitch a ride on the coat-tails of the IBM-PC. In fact in my view it is the other way around -- they drove the bus! Until MS came along the pattern was for hardware vendors to also sell you their OS. Everything was closed. Even Apple (a darling of this forum) was closed (and still is). It's "us or the highway" was what all the hardware vendors declared. As it turns out, though, IBM screwed up by outsourcing their OS and not demanding an exclusive (I'm sure they would do it differently if they could have a "do-over"). Gates was no dummy. He developed versions of MSDOS independent of IBM, which ran on IBM machines. And yes, MS got a bit lucky when clones emerged, though frankly if they hadn't have secured rights to sell MSDOS to those clone manufacturers then it would have been much more difficult for them (the cloners) to achieve compatibility. They would have had to "clean room develop" an OS, which is significantly more difficult than clean-rooming a BIOS (which was hard in itself). [note: why is that? it's because a BIOS is a middle layer which is pinned from both ends, an OS is only pinned from the bottom unless you can get your hands on every application ever written to test compatibility at the top] So basically it was MS that broke the hardware vendor's lock on operating systems. This led to competition in the hardware world, which led to cheap hardware. All of that led to Microsoft's hard-won dominance in the marketplace in a self-perpetuating spiral. One more note, by insisting on binary compatibility, MS has managed to maintain their dominance (and at the same time fostered the cheap hardware revolution) all the way to today. Intel/AMD were forced to keep binary compatibility (come out with a new chip that wouldn't run Windows? preposterous), which again led to much competition in the processor world, which led to amazing performance at ever cheaper prices. Counter-examples: Sun SPARC, Intel Itanium, IBM PowerPCs (used by Apple). None of these processors had binary compatibity with another vendor's parts and, surprise of surprises, they are all fading away. You can say all you want about MS business practices, and the quality, security and stability problems with their software, but you cannot deny their significant role in laying the foundations for cheap, compatible hardware which enabled things like FOSS and Linux to emerge.
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This is not funny. This is true. You can joke all you want, "Starcraft kekekeke," but it doesn't change the fact that computer games are a major part of life over there, and even after all these years, Starcraft is still king. If Microsoft pulled out of Korea, their popular culture would be sent reeling.
Well, for about six months. After six months, all the game manufacturers start pushing Linux in a big way, since there's no way any of them would leave Korea of their own free will -- and they sure as hell won't let Microsoft pull them out without a good fight.
South Korea's got some 17 million PC gamers. How many does America have? If you count consoles, it's probably no contest, but I'm under the impression that PC gaming is a bit of a niche market in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if South Korea has more PC gamers than the entire US, even with only 1/6 the population.
No, the day Microsoft pulls out of Korea is the day that Blizzard and NC Soft shift focus to Linux. Once that happens, the hardware vendors start writing decent drivers for Linux, and all of a sudden Linux doesn't suck as a gaming platform anymore, and Windows becomes an "also supported" platform.
This is a bluff, and Microsoft stands to lose a lot from it. They've set the charges and are pushing the plunger from inside the parking garage.
(despite being Linspire)
.jpg) is beyond their realm. All of these users will be more or less indifferent to their operating system as long as it boots up and the internet works.
I agree you have a point here, but I think if you could move an entire country over to Linus, for even a little while, it would be a huge step in the right direction. Even if it is a terrible distro, I think a lot of people would be willing to switch from Linspire to another Linux distro. The switch from a crappy distro to a good one would certainly be easier than individuals switching from Windows to Linux on their own.
Hell, maybe everyone will use it and decide to go back. Fine. Just raising awareness is plenty enough. Most people still don't know what Linux is. "Is it like a computer?" "Is it a program or something?" Hell, I would be willing to bet maybe a quarter of computer users don't know what an "Operating System" is, much less know that there even is one that isn't Windows. Giving the average non-technical user the insight that there is a world outside of Microsoft is a step in the right direction, even if the whole plan turns out to be a disaster.
Next, there are extremely non-technical users. Namely my mom, grandma/grandpa, etc. I'm talking "I don't know, I just click on the e" people. Generally, these people use their computers for email, internet, and maybe instant messaging, but thats about it. Even simple photo editing (I'm talking rotate/crop/save as
Sadly, I think the above-named group represents a LOT of people. Not only will they have simpler problems (could you imagine your grandma complaining that she can't install Mathematica?), but will probably ask friends/family members before hounding support techs.
Ultimately, Linspire is probably biting off a bit more than it can chew, and will probably have to pay a lot more support dollars than it was planning on, which may prove to be a fatal flaw. On the other hand, maybe it would get some very, very generous government grants?
The bottom line here is that if they actually pull this off, it'll obviously be a REALLY rocky road for quite some time, but I think it'll be at least feasible. Porting apps (performance-intensive ones that won't run well on WINE or similar) will probably be a disaster for quite some time. But in the long run, it'll probably generate more of a market for Linux apps, which would be huge for the rest of the world.
Now, we wait and see. Go Roh Moo-hyun.
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The headline currently reads "Linspire CEO Offers S. Korea To Replace Windows" which led me to wonder:
Is S. Korea Linspire CEO's to offer?
Is S. Korea a viable alternative to Windows?
Are there any benchmarks on S. Korea's performance on general desktop tasks?
Isn't this solution a bit excessive?
But Starcraft runs under WINE, so there's no reason not to switch to Linux!
The quesion is, can a single company do as much as an entire country can on it's own? I doubt it and so does Microsoft. Why else would they buy off their competition? They should have all confidence they will prevail without such tricks. The trend outlined above indicates they have no such confidence and can't really keep up.
The screenshots above speak for themselves, even if your browser does not support the characters a default install of Mepis does. The Microsoft programs are unmodified English language programs. Free software has Korean character support and translations that Koreans are giving themselves. It's difficult to see how M$ can maintain dominance without doing more than writing korean language how-to's.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
"Although the basic GNU/Linux system is free software, most of the GNU/Linux versions now available include a small amount of non-free software--just enough to spoil them as a way to attain freedom. But Linspire is in a class by itself; large and important parts of this system are non-free. No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master."
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I remember reading articles about the internet cafes and net culture in South Korea (check this out http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/10/07/korea .onlinegameaddic.ap/)
South Koreans love playing online games. Not for nothing, but at this point, Linux just doesnt have that kind of support for games. This sort of thing would never fly in South Korea.