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Google Launches Web Traffic Analysis Service

segphault writes to pass along that Ars Technica has an interesting article about the recently released Google Analytics. Analytics is Google's new traffic analysis service that helps you to know everything from "how your visitors found you [to] how they interact with your site." Analytics is also built to integrate with AdWords if you are already utilizing that service.

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  1. How visitors found this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot! See, you don't need to be Google to do this.

  2. interesting acronym... by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 4, Funny

    GAS.... as in more hot-air from the friendly neighborhood Googledot.

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  3. Urchin by pubjames · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Did they do this based on their acquisition of Urchin? Are Urchin staff now working on this instead? Does this mean the death of Urchin software?

  4. for the slashdotted crew by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Google has officially launched Analytics, a robust new web analysis system that provides site owners with traffic metrics and massive amounts of useful marketing data. Based on technology originally developed by a Californian company called Urchin that Google acquired in March, Analytics integrates with Google's popular AdWords system, and will vastly improve the quality and quantity of data provided to existing AdWords users. Those of you that don't use AdWords can still use Analytics by adding a simple javascript snippet to your web site.

    Analytics features an elegant user interface that leverages modern web technologies like Flash and DHTML. Although it seems a little rough around the edges (the Flash components don't display correctly in Firefox on my Linux system) the service is moderately impressive. It can export data in several formats, including XML and CSV. With Analytics, you can determine where your visitors are coming from, which links on your site are getting the most hits, how long the visitors spend on various pages of your site, and more:

    Learn how visitors interact with your website and identify the navigational bottlenecks that keep them from completing your conversion goals. Find out how profitable your keywords are across search engines and campaigns. Pinpoint where your best customers come from and which markets are most profitable to you. Google Analytics gives you this and more through easy-to-understand visually enhanced reports.

    It is still relatively difficult to get a good feel for the usefulness of the system at this point, but with over 80 pre-built reports, support for interactive report construction, and tracking for countless attributes, the amount of data it provides is downright prodigious. In addition to providing critical marketing data, it also tracks browser features so that web developers can make informed design decisions. Analytics will tell you the screen resolution and connection speed of your visitors, as well as whether or not their browsers support Flash and Java. Flash-rendered graphs are provided with each data collection so that you can get a quick visual overview.

    Although it may not be especially useful compared to some of the critical features, the geographical map overlay is probably one of the coolest features. Analytics will generate a Flash-based map of the world that shows you which regions your traffic comes from. You can click individual regions to get additional statistics, and you can use Flash's built-in zoom feature to get a closer look at specific locations.

    The site overlay mechanism is one of the other particularly interesting features. It will superimpose click statistics on top of your actual page so that you can (hypothetically) see what people are clicking just by browsing your site. During my experiments with Analytics, I had some trouble getting the site overlay feature to work correctly. Clicking the individual links in the site overlay caused the Analytics start page to load in the iframe rather than the actual content.

    Analytics fits perfectly into Google's advertising platform and business model. Despite the bugs (which may be specific to Linux or Firefox) Google's newest service looks powerful and comprehensive. The value of the features and the benefits of AdWords integration will probably be more than enough to convince site owners to use AdWords rather than a competing service.

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    1. Re:for the slashdotted crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it also tracks browser features so that web developers can make informed design decisions. Analytics will tell you the screen resolution and connection speed of your visitors, as well as whether or not their browsers support Flash and Java.

      Damnit no. How many times does this need to be explained?

      You know my screen resolution? Great. I a) surf non-maximised, b) surf with a sidebar open, c) use two monitors, or d) all of the above.

      You know my connection speed? Great. I'm now using my favourite P2P application, so my web browsing only gets a fraction of my available bandwidth.

      You know that my browser supports Flash and Java? Great. I have them installed for the stupid little games people email me on Fridays. I don't want Flash or Java as parts of web pages, just as content delivery mechanisms.

      This isn't even taking into account that it's impossible to measure these things to a known degree of accuracy. Sorry, the web isn't built to allow these kinds of things. You can make educated guesses, sure, but you have no way of knowing how close those educated guesses come to the truth, which makes them, for all intents and purposes, useless.

      None of these things allow web developers to make informed decisions. One of the fundamental principles of web design is that your designs have to be flexible enough to take into account all kinds of different constraints. Not surprisingly, wannabes don't want to go to that kind of effort, so they prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like these numbers mean something. "95% of people have a 1024x768 screen, so I don't have to bother with making my design work for lower resolutions" and other such inanity. Grow the fuck up.

    2. Re:for the slashdotted crew by heho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The flash based map is great, however with the launch of Google Local out of Beta and Google Maps, one would have to wonder why Google isn't using their own API's to show the data instea of using a flash based program.

    3. Re:for the slashdotted crew by dallask · · Score: 2, Insightful

      just give them time and we can zoom in on the house of the script kiddie who generated 32,000 hits to your admin pannel with a brute force password attack script...

      I cant fu3king wait!!!

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  5. Urchin by mysqlrocks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I heard that they had purchased Urchin back in March I was wondering how long it would be before they came out with a service like this. I'm sure this will be a lot better than a lot of those free "stat counter" services out there.

  6. shameless MS plug? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Funny
    FTFA - Despite the bugs (which may be specific to Linux or Firefox) Google's newest service looks powerful and comprehensive.

    What's this all about? How did M$ infect my daily dosage of Slasdot/Google news?

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    1. Re:shameless MS plug? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The concept behind that line seems to be a disclaimer. He doesn't want to get sued for saying that there are bugs, which there aren't, but isn't sure where the errors come from. So he is saying "Hey, there are bugs, but they could be Google, or Linux, or Firefox, or some combination of them", which seems fundamentally sound from a CYA perspective. It isn't a straight M$ plug either. The bugs could be caused by google, and there are more alternatives to Linux and Firefox than Windows + IE. The author simply didn't have the time or resources to check it on all 10-15 browser/OS combinations, and is noting what he used.

  7. Big Brother-esque (again) by Oscaro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, so the service works by adding a snippet of code into your web-pages. Then google registers when someone arrives on that page, where he came from, and lots of other data. So google watches everything, it knows what kind of people visits your site and thus knows a lot both about the site and about the visitors.

    I know google has always been concerned about "legitimate" use of their data, but this is somehow frightening...

    1. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by oever · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only that. It's worse. The snippet of code is javascript.

      This means that the added code has the ability to change the look of the page completely. If at any time Google decided that all web pages should have the word Microsoft replaced by Google, they could do this by adding an onload function to the javascript code that is added to all web pages using this service.

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    2. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      If at any time Google decided that all web pages should have the word Microsoft replaced by Google
      So you can read: *Google* is a monopoly that uses evil techniques to dominate die market.
    3. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's extra-ugly in this case, since you're practically begging for an XSS security hole. Yeah, I know, it's Google we're talking about here, the ones with the motto "Do no evil". Right, that makes me trust them completely (rolls eyes).

      Executing someone else's JavaScript on your website means begging for trouble. JavaScript can install handlers to watch everything the visitor is doing, can read, create and modify cookies, can nose through that window's or tab's visited page history. Let's not talk about truly evil stuff such as inspecting content on the pages, overlaying links and buttons or injecting content.

      I'm sorry, no matter how much of a white in shining armor Google is, not sane webmaster should willfully inject foreign JavaScript on his website.

      PS: and before anybody replies that you can download the urchin script and see what it does, let me ask if you're willing to monitor it constantly.

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    4. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by batknight23 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Frightening indeed. One large entity--whether it be a corporation or a government--collecting massive ammounts of data scares me to no end...

      Further thought to chew: Once Google has eaten all the worlds content, secrets, and privacy... Government(s) will (are?) have a field day getting court orders to tap that index in new and ever more creative ways.

    5. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by decipher_saint · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't that the point of this service; detailed information gathering?

      This is no different from many other counter services already provided on the web (well, it has more robust reporting considering it's free).

      I do loathe the fact that it's a remote JS file, that has to change.

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    6. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Asketh the AC:

      So how is this different from DoubleClick?

      Well, obviously DoubleClick are evil. Google do no evil, so this time it's completely different, and it's OK to run someone else's JavaScript on your web site.

      </sarcasm>

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    7. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by Pieroxy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, when I do service my car, the garage has a full access to everything in the car. They could put a tracker and I wouldn't notice it in a century.

      It is a question of trust. If you decide to use their service, you will need them to have access to your pages (through JavaScript). If you don't trust them, just don't subscribe.

      My DSL Provider has a lot of information about myself as well, and I trust them with it. If my trust vanished, I'd switch (well, in France you have actually a lot of choice).

      My bank ... well, I think you get the point.

    8. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by digidave · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, the potential to do evil is there, but all the best web traffic analysis programs operate in a similar way. For one thing, if you're selling advertising on your web site very few advertisers will take your web logs seriously since they're not at all independent and can be faked easily. For another, web logs for a popular web site are difficult to manage. Before switching from Apache's logs to Red Sheriff (works with Javascript like Google Analytics) I had to deal with about 1GB/day of logs. So what happens when I want to build a year over year chart? Hmmm... 730 GB of logs is a bit hard to work with, especially in 2001 with no 500 GB hard drives, so I had to do monthly reports for each year then paste the results into a spreadsheet to build charts. That took me many times longer than if I could have just generated a report from all the logs.

      Big brother and all, this is still the best way for a lot of people to manage their web traffic logging. Before selecting a company to work with, read their privacy policy.

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    9. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by op12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a question of trust.

      Not only a question of trust. It's also a matter of Google's reputation. Much like in the recent backlash at Sony, people are not going to sit idly when a company does something stupid. Google has much more to lose by pulling a stunt like that than the gain it would provide. Plus, you could always just rip the snippet out of your page if it does something undesirable.

    10. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by wranlon · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can load a javascript file from another domain, and send data to other domains via the ages-old image request piggyback. The javascriptfile in this case is loaded in the same domain and scope of the page itself. Most browsers have extra rules and conditions pertaining to cookies created by third-party resources like this. If anyone wanted to use the service but were concerned about the origins of the script, they could download it and host it on their own server while still sending the data back to Google. I think the previous poster was alluding to Web spyware, or behavior monitors.

    11. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by karmatic · · Score: 3, Informative

      You sure about that? I thought that javascript from another host isn't trusted and because of such won't be able to modify objects on the including page. Things like cookie modification is only allowed within the domain so unless google can spoof domains they'll only modify google.com cookies.

      Nope. Javascript loaded using runs in the security context of the main browser (as opposed to an iframe). document.cookie, document.write, the referer, etc. are all available.

      In fact, Google AdSense already does this. They write in an iframe that passes the number of plugins you have, the mime types you support, your resolution (screen, and window), if you have java installed, and the referer for every person who comes to the site. They use document.write() to write this IFRAME. There isn't really a lot they can't do through this.

    12. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by alta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's an idea... If you don't like to take your chances with such a shady company like google, then don't sign up.

      But believe you me, I'm going to sign up the MOMENT the site isn't slashdotted.

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    13. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by lo0ol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No "sane webmaster should willfully inject foreign JavaScript on his website"? I'm guessing you've never ran ads on your website before. That's the norm. Nearly every ad network has their code in JavaScript. Heck, chances are if someone is using Google Analytics they're ALREADY using Google AdSense on their site- who's to say that Google hasn't done the same with AdSense? People haven't said anything about the evils of AdSense yet really.

      My point is that it is about trust, as a previous poster said. A heck of a lot of companies do business in the exact same way. If you don't trust Google with your site, then don't use it (and get a license of Urchin for yourself- that is extremely solid software; I'd say the best in the business).

    14. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by NanoServ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By your argument, it would seem unwise to install and use Firefox. It's a foreign piece of code (even though you can monitor its source code if you want, but who has the time for that?). It has the power to snoop through personal files on your computer and report the information back to mozilla.org. Since it has a huge user base and now an automatic and seamless update system, some malicious behavior could get installed into the program and we'd all be screwed without even knowing it.

      But the thing is, that doesn't happen. If Google attempted this, the behavior would quickly be discovered (because, although *you* aren't reviewing the .js file constantly, *people* are reviewing the .js file constantly) and Google would get some seriously bad PR. There's no incentive for them to risk their image like that.

    15. Re:Big Brother-esque (again) by advid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just like AdSense, then?

      The way I look at this is:
      1. I already have Google ads on my website.
      2. So Google already knows everything about my visitors.
      3. Thus, subscribing to this program just means that I can see that information as well.


      If you want to worry about privacy and "big brother", complain about AdSense. This is a simple extension, at most.
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  8. Oddest Terms of Service by mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the Terms of Service: The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only.. Doesn't this reduce slightly the usefulness, or at least the potential audience, of the service?

    I am sure that's a mistake, but that prevents me from using the service for anything useful right now. Or even from testing it.

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  9. c'mon by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Registrars especially have pushed gimmicky "features" on domain buyers that people could otherwise get with a phonecall to their ISP or typing apt-get install webalizer. As far as tracking the way people "interact" on your site, without a google ad on every page or some script I don't see how they can track user behavior on the site (IE which paths through the site are most popular) beyond timing the first and last load of a page with an ad on it. OTOH most of these potential customers or users of this feature don't have my skills. It just raises the whole issue of whether or not google's still a strong buy at 393/share.

  10. Is this the future of google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This looks like google is relying less and less on their PageRank algorithm and more and more on data that they spy from users.

    It seems to me that the page rank is too easilly manipulated so they are resorting to the alexia toolbar method.

    Already they are pusing their toolbar hard (even for firefox where is has limited appeal). This says even more to me that they are using the stats from the toolbar and now these stats to monitor user browsing behavior, which it will use to better their search results.

  11. Use this to improve search by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Google can tell how people react to a site, then it could use the data to affect pagerank. Sites that people bail from would lose pagerank and sites that people stay in and explore would gain page rank. Of course, Google would need some scheme for filtering out scam data where an SEO tries to make their site look interesting or make a competitor site look uninteresting by faking the behavior of visitors.

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  12. Welcome to 1993! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Those of you that don't use AdWords can still use Analytics by adding a simple javascript snippet to your web site.
    Gee, that's just what I need, another one of those broken odometers on my pages.

  13. Google starting to slip? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Is Google starting to slip? I hit the "Sign up >>" button within Google Analytics, recieved a Javascript error "Syntax Error" and have been waiting on a response page for 3 minutes now....

    This just isn't the quality I'd expect from their team of PhD and mental masters...

    Google if you're listening.. I have pages of code that throw syntax errors... scoop me up quick! I'm everything you're looking for and more!

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  14. Re:warning to Slashdot by Kosmatos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't be ridiculous... Being the first site to post a story is not what Slashdot is about. Its about the comments posted on the story by the users. Great stuff like the "In Soviet Russia" jokes, the "5. Profit!" responses, the Open Source fanatics with their twisted mentality, the Microsoft-haters with their ridiculous love for Linux, the Apple-bashers who don't know what they are talking about.... :)

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  15. Giving the others a run for their money. by ---s3V3n--- · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well this should be interesting. For years I used NedStat Basic (now WebStats4U, what a lame name). Anyhow, this last September they changed their name and quietly changed their TOS. The TOS changs were mentioned in small type at the bottom of an email announcing the 'exciting' changes. The biggest change is they now had the right to put pop-ups and other crap-tastic forms of advertising on your site.

    NedStat always seemed to be one of the better free analytic sites out there, with them starting to pup pop-ups on sites, I'd imagine a lot of people will happily switch away from them. And since one of the choices is Google, I'd imagine a lot will switch to Google.

  16. No different than Google ads. by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a Google ad on your page you are already giving them all this information.

  17. Schnikeys we slashdotted google by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is from google after I timed out trying to sign-up:

    Currently Undergoing Maintenance

    Google Analytics reporting is currently undergoing maintenance and will be available shortly. Your site traffic is being logged and you will be able to see the data after system maintenance has concluded.

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    1. Re:Schnikeys we slashdotted google by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, it's been like that for an hour. I'm thinking I'll just stick with SiteMeter.

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  18. AdWords attractiveness rising... by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right after Microsoft leaked that memo where they're going to try enter the online ad market due to problems with their business strategies, Google pulls a rabbit out their hat to raise their AdWords attractiveness to new heights... Establishing their foothold further, before MS have even got their steam up. I can already hear things crashing in Ballmer's office. :-p

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  19. Graceful Slashdotting by wordisms · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google Analytics

    Currently Undergoing Maintenance

    Google Analytics reporting is currently undergoing maintenance and will be available shortly. Your site traffic is being logged and you will be able to see the data after system maintenance has concluded.

    1. Re:Graceful Slashdotting by iLogiK · · Score: 2, Funny

      never thought i'd see the day...google being slashdotted...
      i think that's one of the signs of the Apocalypse
      get ready everybody...the end of the world is near

  20. Death knell for Web Side Story by Slashdoc+Beta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the end of Web Side Story and similar analytics tools as we know it. Obviously webmasters will flock to Google's free (and probably superior) tools. Google simply takes the $400m market and redistributes the money back to publishers. Amazing.

    1. Re:Death knell for Web Side Story by ostiguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WSSI (Web side story) is currently down $2 to 15.99.

      ostiguy

  21. Microsoft by pubjames · · Score: 5, Funny


    Coming to you from a couple of years in the future...

    Today Bill Gates released a statement "Yes, Google is currently number one in traffic analysis, but at Microsoft we think their service is really basic and we've got some amazing web analytics software in development that will blow Google's out of the water. It's coming out soon... Yes, I know I said we were going to crush Google in search a while ago and we didn't but we're definately going to crush them in Traffic Analysis. Really. Please believe me. Hey, don't walk away I'm still talking! Why doesn't anyone fear me any more..?"

  22. And The Best Part Of It Is... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a Totally Free Service!!

    (You just have to pay Google if you DON'T want them to track every little thing about you.)

  23. From the TOS by carguy84 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Personal Use Only The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only. You may not use the Google Services to sell a product or service, or to increase traffic to your Web site for commercial reasons, such as advertising sales. You may not take the results from a Google search and reformat and display them, or mirror the Google home page or results pages on your Web site. You may not "meta-search" Google. If you want to make commercial use of the Google Services, you must enter into an agreement with Google to do so in advance. Please contact us for more information.

  24. Re:Mod me down. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Funny

    You think you're an idiot? I was hoping this would help my morning commute!

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  25. Interesting tidbit in the TOS ... by xmas2003 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Section 6 of the Terms of Service has some interesting wording that may cause some sites to think twice about deploying this.

    You hereby grant to Google and its wholly owned subsidiaries a limited license to use Your trade names, trademarks, service marks, logos, domain names and other distinctive brand features ("Brand Features") in presentations, marketing materials, customer lists, and financial reports. Further, Unless You notify Google otherwise in writing, Google and its wholly owned subsidiaries retain the right to identify You as a valued customer and optionally issue a press release that, at a minimum, discloses You have licensed the Product and that the Product is Your preferred web analytics package.

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    1. Re:Interesting tidbit in the TOS ... by md27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All this says is they can say you use their service. I don't think you really need to worry since they won't proclaim you as a customer unless you're massive, like Microsoft or Yahoo or something they're not gonna care enough to talk about you.

  26. Rather this than rely on DMOZ etc. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I'm as sceptical as the next guy about having any big organisation collecting massive amounts of data about some area of the Internet, and Google are clearly the biggest potential abusers of that information.

    However, right now the text that appears for a web site I help to run if you find it in Google isn't written by either Google or us, it's written by some anonymous editor at DMOZ. Those editors are notorious for not giving a damn what the webmasters of sites they link to (or don't link to, or link to but misleadingly) think; indeed, we have been blocking all referrals from DMOZ with a 403 since they rejected an update request that by their editor's own admission was in both their readers' interests and ours.

    Moreover, whether or not you're listed on DMOZ seems to have an absurd effect on your site's PageRank. It would be a welcome change for Google to construct their index independently, using only their own analysis of relevant factors directly related to the site in question, rather than relying on outside sources with dubious ethics.

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  27. Man I wish I'd bought stock!!!!! by frankcow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is honestly going to rock the world of web analytics. I've been dealing with some of the major vendors lately, this move will herald some serious changes in how they do business. I'm still struggling to understand the implications!!!

  28. No encryption here? by Michael+Iatrou · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gmail will force you to use https but if you want to sign in to Google Analytics, you provide the same credentials with no encryption.

    1. Re:No encryption here? by slug359 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Incorrect, the URL of the sign in box is: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLoginBox?se rvice=analytics&nui= ...

  29. Re:*adds google-analytics.com to his hostperm.1* by Cruithne · · Score: 4, Funny

    *adds the following line to his hostperm.1 file*

    I know this is horribly wrong, but apparently i'm dyslexic... i read "hostperm" as "hotsperm".

  30. um... DOH! by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

    So don't use Google you paranoid muppet! There's a whole Internet of alternatives out there.

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  31. Re:Yeah, I know: Pedantic by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, the difference between 'utilize' and 'use' is that when you 'utilize' something, you attempt to gain profit from the action. Not necessarily so, when you 'use' something.

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  32. So nu? by neodiogenes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yahoo's had this service ever since they bought out Overture -- and yes, it's also free if you're a big enough advertiser to make it worthwhile. And yes, it adds a javascript snippet to the advertisers' websites. You've probably visited hundreds of these sites already without knowing they were collecting third-party data. Sheesh. Add "Google" to any news story and all the world goes nuts. Personally, I'd wait until Google work out all the bugs before relying on it. It's still GIGO even when it's Google.

  33. No access to base domain by SeanDuggan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I know it's not cool or "133t" to admit such things, but my homepage is a subdirectory of a larger domain. Oddly enough, they let me register users.adelphia.net with the service, but they won't let me register users.adelphia.net/~user.name/, where my site actually is. Since their code isn't on the base page, they don't register the code I have on subdirectories.

    Huh... and I'm mildly curious as to whether anyone else can register the URL of users.adelphia.net.

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  34. Re:Have anyone read EULA for this tool? by Fryed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My first guess upon looking at that snippet of code is that it is used to determine what search string brought users to that page. One of the things a web browser usually sends to a web server when requesting a page is the page that referred it. My guess is, the code you are looking at is part of a section of code that will figure out what search string brought the user to this page, if the referrer is a major search engine (ie, google, yahoo, msn, aol).

    The second string (q,p,q,query), is probably the variable in the referrer url that contains the search string that was used to send users to this page.

    Nothing evil, just some javascript magic so you can figure out how users are finding your webpage, which I imagine is quite useful information to a webmaster.

  35. Re:Have anyone read EULA for this tool? by in10se · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is nothing odd about this. These are the parameters the major search engines use to determine the keywords you searched for. Example:

    • google.com/search?q=my%20keywords
    • yahoo.com/search?p=my%20keywords
    • msn.com/results.aspx?q=my%20keywords
    • aol.com/aolcom/search?query=my%20keywords

    This is a standard item that web analytic software looks for so that it can tell you what keywords, and what search engines people used to find your site.

    --
    Popisms.com - Connecting pop culture
  36. Re:Have anyone read EULA for this tool? by matthew.thompson · · Score: 3, Informative

    This just looks like it's a method to track how people got to your page.

    Google and MSN use q=search+terms+here in the referer, aol query=me+too, yahoo p=small+green+vegetable

    This is no more than Google/Urchin (UCTM Urchin Capaign Tracking Module - We're Urchin software users at work) looking into the referer in the same way that your log analyser would.

    Of course it means that they now have the ability to see what other people are searching for on other search engines and track people's search engine usage.

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    Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
  37. Google is Freakin Smart by rhyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am amazed time and again as Google finds segments in the market and exploits them. Now they are after web analysis, and not only do they provide a service, but they gain insight into how their competitors send traffic to your site. This is even better than just hosting, as you will get many people and companies that pay for hosting elsewhere, but will use GA to analyze traffic/logs.

    Google is web-omnipresent

  38. Anyone else concerned about Google? by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Google is everywhere it seems, collecting data. Does this concern anyone else besides me? I use gmail and I notice that Google search now recognizes me. I can log out, but then I'm out of gmail as well. I've been doing more searching on A9 as a result. Of course, searching A9 means Amazon knows what I'm looking for, but at least I get a discount.

    But really, is Google getting to be too pervasive? It seems their future plans are really ambitious. Sure, the company's motto may be "do no evil" but that's not necessarily the motto of every employee there. Maybe I'm just paranoid...

  39. Re:Privacy? by KitesWorld · · Score: 2, Funny

    Umm, what's stopping you from blocking the cookie? :)

    Slow down cowboy! - Shaddup, slashhash. :/

  40. Another Language Mandatory Nowadays? by ghotiman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many people get along just fine knowing only English, or only their own language for that matter. What other language do you think is mandatory nowadays? It depends where you live, and in many places there is no need to know another language. Why should someone living in Kansas bother to learn a language they will never use?

    1. Re:Another Language Mandatory Nowadays? by kers · · Score: 2, Funny
      What other language do you think is mandatory nowadays?
      Doublespeak.