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MSIE To Adopt Firefox Feed Icon

An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that Microsoft 'forthcoming Internet Explorer 7 browser will adopt Firefox's RSS feed icon, the company announced on a blog--effectively making the orange square with white radio waves the industry standard.' "

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  1. Dupe it up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..

    1. Re:Dupe it up. by mkavanagh2 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..

      This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...


      Well damn.
    2. Re:Dupe it up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to see dupe control on slashdot.

    3. Re:Dupe it up. by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where's mod "+1, Redundant" when you need it? :)

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    4. Re:Dupe it up. by PixelScuba · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot...

    5. Re:Dupe it up. by Ahnteis · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's OK, I just go find the +5 posts, repost them and use the karma to meet hot chicks.

      >_>

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    6. Re:Dupe it up. by owlstead · · Score: 2

      7ba375b06cf2d093d3d761358cf106f8
      c1e5b19445361bad8cc1db59e2f4dc7c

  2. Radio Waves?! by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    They look identical to mind control waves to me.

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    1. Re:Radio Waves?! by cciRRus · · Score: 2

      First, there're ActiveX exploits, and now, IE comes with mind-controling waves?

      *puts on my tinfoil hat*

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  3. Crazy, Crazy Dupe... by broeken · · Score: 5, Informative

    WOW- that's embarrassing...

    1. Re:Crazy, Crazy Dupe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think I'll run an experiment. I'll submit a story to Slashdot and link to an identical story previously posted on Slashdot. The dupes will compond to make a MEGADUPE.

      Either that or Taco won't post anything for a week while trying to figure out if it's a dupe or not.

  4. Good News by Necrotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really like seeing Microsoft conforming to a standard instead of attempting to create one. It may just be an icon, but it's something!

    1. Re:Good News by Giometrix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it a standard? From the blurb it seems like it is now effictively a standard because all of the major browsers are using it.

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    2. Re:Good News by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is the icon covered by the GPL? If so Microsoft may potentially be opening themselves up for legal action.

      (No, this isn't a dig at Microsoft or a dig at the GPL, it's just something that needs to be considered)

    3. Re:Good News by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that graphics are not part of the code, and therefore aren't covered by the GPL. Most of the time, icons in free software are covered by the Creative Commons License, and therefore, I think, Microsoft would have no legal problems using them, and not releasing their source code.

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    4. Re:Good News by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the article.

      Representatives of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team even took a trip down to tiny Mozilla's Mountain View, Calif. offices to work out a deal.

      Presumably, they got permission.

  5. Super Dupe by weenis · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is one of those articles that should be deleted real quick

    1. Re:Super Dupe by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "This is one of those articles that should be deleted real quick"

      You're like the fourth person to bitch about this dupe. How come the dupe gestapo doesn't take extra care to make sure somebody else hasn't posted a gripe about the dupe?

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  6. Fascinating new development! by Junky191 · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Fascinating new development! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not the same story. They came from different departments. (from the working-together-to-make-the-internet-better dept. vs from the icons-are-power dept.)

    2. Re:Fascinating new development! by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not enough can be said about this one icon.

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    3. Re:Fascinating new development! by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps someone has reflected Slashdot's RSS feed into CmdrTaco's inbox?

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    4. Re:Fascinating new development! by glass_window · · Score: 4, Funny

      Should have been from the "It's-so-unbelievable-we-had-to-post-it-again dept."

    5. Re:Fascinating new development! by szrachen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Another demonstration of how 2 departments can not effectively communicate with each other.

  7. Heh by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only with Microsoft is it the icon that becomes the standard and not the technology. It's funny because now this "standard" will represent both Mozilla's normal RSS and Microsoft's embraced and extended RSS.

    1. Re:Heh by pHatidic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason XML is extensible is so that you can use it to create standards like RSS. If you then extend RSS then it is no longer really RSS. It's just like language. The English language is extensible, you can make up new words to describe new things. But that doesn't mean you can change the definitions of words without telling people during a debate and then act like your opponent is an idiot, a la Clinton with the defition of "is."

    2. Re:Heh by Niten · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The RSS specifications are specific subsets of XML, and RSS readers have to know how to interpret that XML. When Microsoft starts to change the RSS spec, and if others decide to use Microsoft's features, then there's a good chance that users of non-Microsoft RSS client software will be effectively locked out of these feeds. It really doesn't matter whether it's XML or not (or more generally, human-readable or not), because by trying to shove new features into the RSS specification outside of the official channels for doing so, Microsoft is trying to tell the independent developers "now you need to conform to OUR standard, or our large user base will ensure that your software becomes incompatible with all that content your users want to access."

      Fortunately, I think there's a pretty good chance it won't work this time. A great deal of news feeds are generated by open source software such as LiveJournal's engine and Wordpress, and I think the authors of such software would be less likely than most to cave in to a new "standard" just because Microsoft says so. There's already a huge amount of RSS content out there, even if Microsoft users have been missing out on it so far. Hopefully, when all is said and done, it will be Microsoft following the standard, and not the other way around.

    3. Re:Heh by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Informative

      The RSS standard is meant to be extendable, the creators realised it wouldnt cover all circumstances and situations. Get over it.

      Linky.

    4. Re:Heh by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's worth noting that Apple has also extended RSS using exactly the method listed in that link. They added several new iTunes-specific elements for use with podcasts that are used through iTunes.

      Because they followed that extension mechanism, the RSS feeds that take advantage of those extra fields are also standard RSS feeds, so any other reader can read them with no problem.

      From what I can tell, the Microsoft extensions are essentially the same. The RSS feed remains a standard RSS feed, it just has extra extended information contained within it - although I could be wrong.

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  8. On the four day of Christmas... by JoeLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    My true love gave to me:

    4 trolls a trollin' 3 goatse links 2 mods asleep, and a dupe from only 4 days ago...

    Ok, time for the mods to drink from the kiddy egg nog. Lay off the stiff stuff.

    1. Re:On the four day of Christmas... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm assuming that in your complete "12 days of Slashdot Christmas" lyrics, the phrase "editors a-editing" never appears. :)

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  9. Grr... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had thought this was not a dupe, and in fact my time machine had worked =\... Back to the drawing board!

  10. wow by ekeyser · · Score: 5, Funny

    this is some real interesting news. stuff that matters.

  11. Standardisation is nice but... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.

    The "cone of spherically propagating waves" design is so overused (and mostly associated with wireless networking) and has nothing to do with RSS feeds to me.

    Maybe MS got tired of copying Apple and decided to Think Different for once ;-)

    1. Re:Standardisation is nice but... by mopslik · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.

      I prefer non-written icons, simply because there are no issues when translating into other (non-English) languages.

      Granted, most people will probably end up calling it "RSS" anyway, even if they don't understand what "Really Simple Syndication" means.

    2. Re:Standardisation is nice but... by Ezku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who says streams will always be broadcast in RSS format? We already have Atom, and others will undoubtedly follow. A graphical icon is both timeless and more international.

    3. Re:Standardisation is nice but... by tehshen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Firefox had a white-on-orange RSS icon (http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/rss-old.png ) but it got changed for being too geeky, too big, and looking like it said "ASS". I agree that it's a stupid icon, but could be better for the average windows user who knows what a "web feed" is.

      Copy and paste https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26135 4

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    4. Re:Standardisation is nice but... by kegmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except the French. Can't polute the language you know.

    5. Re:Standardisation is nice but... by Bogtha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.

      Copied from my comment in the previous story:

      Why not work with Apple on this and use the one Safari implements?

      Because Apple, instead of using a generic, fairly understandable term like "news feed", chose to jump on the buzzword bandwagon and rebrand Safari as "Safari RSS". Consequently, they have a user-unfriendly acronym instead of a proper icon, which they display even when the news feed isn't RSS at all. That's not suitable for a user-friendly, generic news feed interface, especially when the IETF standard Atom format is displacing the legacy RSS format.

      It might have been okay to use "RSS" in a user interface when early adopters were the only people using it, and when RSS was the only format around, but now news feed support is entering the mainstream, and Atom is around too. Using "RSS" buttons isn't appropriate any more.

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  12. The big question by prionic6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is there a dupe icon in FF for slashdot to adopt?

  13. Embrace & Extend by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

    In typical Microsoft style, they'll probably change a few pixels making their version of the logo completely incompatible with the industry standard logo.

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    1. Re:Embrace & Extend by fyrie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or worse, they will slowly change it pixel by pixel until one day it resembles a small goatse.

    2. Re:Embrace & Extend by ghoda_x · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or worse, they will slowly change it pixel by pixel until one day it resembles a small goatse.

      Now that's a definition of Embrace & Extend that I could have done without

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  14. Re:Dupes allow off topic posts, right? by dada21 · · Score: 2

    Didn't realize that, regarding power. Interesting!

    I'm probably going to get the Belkin CF card with a PC Card adapter. I generally hate Belkin but we have a reseller account somewhere so I can get a deal on it :)

    All my newer laptops have BT built in, but I tend to customize and sell them too quickly. The older lease-outs I've picked up work fine, even if they're outdated. What I'd really like (but can't justify) would be a BT/WiFi/GPRS/EDGE PC Card for complete wireless connectivity. Maybe through in CDPD for old times sake.

  15. Come to think of it... by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I wonder how Apple is going to handle this, considering the airport icon is an orange "cone of sperically propagating waves. For them, adopting ths new standard would probably force them to change that as well. I also prefer the blue and white text rectangle.


    Wait, what are we talking about again? WHY does there need to be a standard RSS feed icon anyway? =p

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  16. Re:800 Lb Gorilla by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who says this is suddenly an industry standard? Firefox and IE will use it ad they have a corner on the market, but has any standards organization said "this shall be the RSS icon?" It's a pretty big leap from Microsoft adopting something to it becoming a standard, despite their dominance of the browser market. And in case anyone has forgotten, MS tends to make hash out of standards it does adopt.

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  17. In related news by alphakappa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot to adopt all previous stories.

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  18. Excellent by aengblom · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's great they didn't feel the need to DUPElicate efforts!

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  19. I think I've worked it out by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 5, Insightful
    People always complain about dupes on Slashdot, and I think I've deduced the reason.

    Now, back in the day, they ran this site as a standard tech blog, not really making any money off it. Just a side hobby. However, when it got purchased, and the popularity really flew off, the Slashdot team discovered they didn't actually need to work anymore.

    Now personally, if I'd discovered that what was a fun hobby now fed and clothed me, and there was practically no work involved, would I spend as long as possible on it, carefully checking each thing?

    Of course not, that would invalidate the whole point. Instead, I'd look through the titles and occasionally the summaries of submitted stories, and let through whichever ones sounded vaguely interesting. Then I'd spend all my free time and money pissing around, and relaxing.

    I don't hold it against them, Slashdot still works, we still get good comments, and damn, I'd do exactly the same thing.

    Kudos to you, Taco and the rest of the gang! Live the dream! I know I would...

    1. Re:I think I've worked it out by vortigern00 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, it's amazing how well that explains what happenned to metallica.

  20. Slashdot RSS Feed by brianerst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If only there was a technology that the editors could use that would show them a list of current Slashdot stories prior to posting... A real-time feed of some sort would be nice.

  21. I don't want Microsoft to join the club anymore. by keezer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So far, they've mangled:
    • Basic (made it a "legitimate" language)
    • HTML
    • e-mail
    • Java
    • C++
    ...and those are just the instances that I've had to put up with @ work.
  22. No offense, but how big is a Icon of 3 letters? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mainly use Safari.

    There isa blue icon with white letters RSS on it in the URL component (at the right edge).

    I can't get why everything needs to be an icon?

    angel'o'sphere

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  23. Re:You're Making Us Look Like Chumps!!!! by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, this was duped on Digg too. But their story rating system took it off the front page quickly.

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  24. Misspelling by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Funny
    nternet Explorer 7 browser will adopt Firefox's RSS feed icon

    I think they misspelled assimilate

  25. Re:800 Lb Gorilla by brontus3927 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, there's a difference between someting being a de jure standard (a standards body decides on a specification) and a de facto standard (something that is standard by the fact that (mostly) everyone does it that way). By MS adopting Mozilla's RSS icon, it gives it the weight of being a de facto standard.

  26. Re:ARRGH by zootm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Firefox team realise that a unified symbol is of benefit to everyone, and happily allowed MS to use the logo.

  27. The MS Version by Alien54 · · Score: 2, Funny
    MS will end up changing it so that the icon is right handed instead of left handed, and then claim it was their idea all along, issuing trademarks and enforcement lawsuits as they go along.

    They'll find some way to make it evil, or claim ownership. It's in their genes.

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  28. Or another way to read it... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Representatives of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team took a vacation in California on the company dime, pretending to have intense negotiations over using part of a GPL'ed product

  29. how interesting!!! by melfid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is about as relevant as Firefox using CTRL-C, CTRL-V, and CTRL-X

  30. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  31. Re:Dupes allow off topic posts, right? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a good idea. Slashdot is full of techy people with nothing to do, and dupes mean we have nothing to talk about. If everyone decides that dupes are for computer help, we could make Slashdot useful!

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