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MSIE To Adopt Firefox Feed Icon
An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that Microsoft 'forthcoming Internet Explorer 7 browser will adopt Firefox's RSS feed icon, the company announced on a blog--effectively making the orange square with white radio waves the industry standard.' "
I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..
They look identical to mind control waves to me.
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WOW- that's embarrassing...
I really like seeing Microsoft conforming to a standard instead of attempting to create one. It may just be an icon, but it's something!
This is one of those articles that should be deleted real quick
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/15/165523 4&tid=154&tid=113&tid=95
Story is a dupe...original story can be found here.
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Only with Microsoft is it the icon that becomes the standard and not the technology. It's funny because now this "standard" will represent both Mozilla's normal RSS and Microsoft's embraced and extended RSS.
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4 trolls a trollin' 3 goatse links 2 mods asleep, and a dupe from only 4 days ago...
Ok, time for the mods to drink from the kiddy egg nog. Lay off the stiff stuff.
I had thought this was not a dupe, and in fact my time machine had worked =\... Back to the drawing board!
this is some real interesting news. stuff that matters.
... I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.
;-)
The "cone of spherically propagating waves" design is so overused (and mostly associated with wireless networking) and has nothing to do with RSS feeds to me.
Maybe MS got tired of copying Apple and decided to Think Different for once
Isn't that true of just about everything Microsoft does?
All your RSS are belong to us\
This article is like deja vu all over again.
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Is there a dupe icon in FF for slashdot to adopt?
I'm sorry Mr Monkey, you have just posted a duplicate comment.
And not just any dupe!
1) AC beates TMM
2) Broeken beates TMM
3) Weenis beates TMM
4) Junky191 beates TMM
So what do we call your post? A quintadupe? I hope you're asking for a new subscription for christmas!
Seriously - so what if Slashdot posts the odd dupe - its not like they can post what 20 odd links a day without occasionally covering the same ground.
And I for one like to see the odd story revisited...
My pics.
In typical Microsoft style, they'll probably change a few pixels making their version of the logo completely incompatible with the industry standard logo.
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I liked this story better...
...when it was new 4 days ago.
Actually I thought the story was just as boring and non-newsworthy then.
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Wait, what are we talking about again? WHY does there need to be a standard RSS feed icon anyway? =p
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The owners of the particular artwork apparently gave their blessing to MS.
Slashdot to adopt all previous stories.
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It's great they didn't feel the need to DUPElicate efforts!
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
Now, back in the day, they ran this site as a standard tech blog, not really making any money off it. Just a side hobby. However, when it got purchased, and the popularity really flew off, the Slashdot team discovered they didn't actually need to work anymore.
Now personally, if I'd discovered that what was a fun hobby now fed and clothed me, and there was practically no work involved, would I spend as long as possible on it, carefully checking each thing?
Of course not, that would invalidate the whole point. Instead, I'd look through the titles and occasionally the summaries of submitted stories, and let through whichever ones sounded vaguely interesting. Then I'd spend all my free time and money pissing around, and relaxing.
I don't hold it against them, Slashdot still works, we still get good comments, and damn, I'd do exactly the same thing.
Kudos to you, Taco and the rest of the gang! Live the dream! I know I would...
Microsoft and Firefox agree on standard "dupe" icon!
If only there was a technology that the editors could use that would show them a list of current Slashdot stories prior to posting... A real-time feed of some sort would be nice.
Another great innovation from Microsoft.
How do they press charges though?
Is it the fact that Forbes covered this or just the fact that you thought we forgot? It's bad enough that I constantly watch /. for the next story, but when it's a dupe... you're *really* wasting my time now.
Now I feel like a super-shab for having my "Google announces m.gmail.com gmail access from mobile devices" story rejected. http://www.google.com/glm/gmail
You have a point there, but could you please elaborate on this? We all have our opinions on Microsoft's handling of things, and though they generally conclude the same thing, it's still not a bad idea to tell us in great lines what exactly is the problem.
Where's the slashdot dupe icon for both?
I mainly use Safari.
There isa blue icon with white letters RSS on it in the URL component (at the right edge).
I can't get why everything needs to be an icon?
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So the story ran twice. Big fat deal. We all slip from time to time. Big Media papers print retractions all the time; (the ones they catch, at any rate).
Slashdot is SOOOOO much better than almost any Big Media news outlet you might point to; their agenda and editorial biases aren't designed to suck up to their ad clients or to advance the forces of evil through the spread of government and corporate propaganda. Yeah, they make mistakes from time to time, and they avoid touching directly the really hot issues, but they do a good job of walking a fine and dangerous line; they allow for open and honest discussion among their readers where the editors themselves would be hog-tied for even suggesting an opinion.
So give a little slack, guys.
-FL
Of course, this was duped on Digg too. But their story rating system took it off the front page quickly.
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You will need IE8 service pack 1a to view the icon.
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2005-12-15 16:29:46 Standarized RSS Icon For Mozilla and IE 7 (Developers,Mozilla) (rejected)
Just reading over the front page, Gmail for mobile use? I read that 3 days ago on Digg. I think that my old "tech news" place has just become outdated. I mean seriously, I find most of the links I'm interested in on digg, and then 1-3 days later, it appears here.
Soon, we will have stories about a three pound apple notebook, hackers changing election results and I can't wait until Slashdot see that Bill Gates was named person of the year by Time Magazine, imagine the page refreshes on that one topic alone.
Nah, I hate to say it, but its Slashdot, Old news, Nothing Matters now.
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I think they misspelled assimilate
Ahh, their just too lazy to get up and draw their own... We all know that feeling....
Hej, let's publish this icon under, you know, that viral, cancer-like, mind-destroying GPL license. Before they know, they'll have to open up IE. But wait, isn't it bundled into something? Oops, do I see GNU IE running on GNU Windows?
Most recently, I downloaded Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. I dabbled in MFC/Visual C++ for a couple of years of my career, and I like keeping up on the latest technology, good or bad. I had read a review of Visual Studio .NET, and I was from the opinion of a former MFC/Visual C++ user--which convinced me to stay away from the MS development products for a while.
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The interface was confusing for someone who generally liked the old Visual Studio interface. So, I did what any newbie would do. I started a new project. The whole C++/CLI additions threw me off:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/homepageheadlin
more on C++/CLI:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/02/Pu
Something smells here. I just can't qualify it... this is C++?
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The Firefox team realise that a unified symbol is of benefit to everyone, and happily allowed MS to use the logo.
This site model does work reasonably well, assuming you have some conscious editors behind it. When did our esteemed /. gatekeepers become the equivalent of Jack Elrod and Johnny Hart from the comics page, coasting on their few laurels and not paying much attention?
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
They'll find some way to make it evil, or claim ownership. It's in their genes.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Yeah, that'll send MS a message! Specifically, "we're more interested in annoying you just for the sake of being contrary, rather than doing something that will benefit people!"
Come on, at least TRY to be professional.
Representatives of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team took a vacation in California on the company dime, pretending to have intense negotiations over using part of a GPL'ed product
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...will stand for "Really Stupid Standardization"?
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If it happens, Taco, post a story about it, because it'll be bigger news than most of the shit you post.
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No, it's C++/CLI, an ECMA-standardized extension to C++ for CLI (aka
Of course, you can still write normal C++ with VC++ (and if you don't want to use
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None. The Mozilla team were happy to let them use it. ( see here ).
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This is old news, not new news. I'm writing characters so that Slashdot allows me to post this commend immediately. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ....
> OTOH I don't know if VC++ still lets you compile non-.NET applications).
Yes, I believe you can still compile non-.NET--to the extent that you can always incorporate other DLLs/libs. You can even enforce ANSI C++ via compiler settings. Of course, if you're looking to write a good, moderately portable C++ program--there's no help from MS. Of course, the Java debacle, Microsoft's Frontpage Extensions bloat, etc. proved that.
This is about as relevant as Firefox using CTRL-C, CTRL-V, and CTRL-X
This was also on Slashdot last week, they're just reposting it for guys like you who missed the first iteration
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CmdrTaco, do you want to admit something???
Maybe because it's now a constant, daily thing. Maybe you've not noticed the days where the dupe is actually on the same page, two links down.
It has nothing to do with anybody thinking they're better than Taco. It may have something to do with Taco not doing something basic, though.
...it's a really bad dupe of a story that doesn't matter. At all. To anyone. Come on, it's like an 8x8 pixel icon for a feature that your average clueless user doesn't even understand. The day IE has less vermin craling through it than a NYC sewer pipe I'll be interested in a story about it. At no time will I be interested in a story about a little orange icon.
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It was posted here a day or so after it reached digg, this is just the dupe.
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No, the code is governed by the MPL or GPL. An icon being included with it can hardly be considered linking, so even if the icon were GPL (which is absurd, as the GPL really isn't good for content), it's merely being rendered within the IE window, not linked with the code, so there is no legal issue as long as Microsoft has the permission of the copyright holder on that particular icon.
If they created their own icon and just used the style of the Firefox icon, I think they're totally in the clear.
Of course this has been said a few other times by eleventy different posters.
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Was anyone else really annoyed by the extreme bias imparted with the opening sentence ?
"Its just one minor battle in a war it likely won't win, but Mozilla's Firefox has tasted victory--and it is little and orange"
Sounds like someone who sees Firefox as a small upstart instead of the serious competetor that it is. Either that, or a MS Shill. (I'm more likely inclined to say that its someone who's not very in tune with technology)
Comments?
And Netscape didn't mangle HTML? I think MSFT are just part of a long tradition in that regard.
i thought radio waves were orange, and the ether was white. Didn't any one follow the Michelson/Morley experiment????
Managed C++ isn't really C++, it's just CLI using C++ syntax (with other stuff as well).
You can still compile standard, binary C++ applications in VC++ 2005, with or without MFC. It's also very standard conforming (though it doesn't support C99 from what I know, but then again few people really seem to care).
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I don't think so.
I would say the main reason I use Firefox is because it's not MSIE. Not that I have anything too major against MSIE, except for the fact that it's the main target of all web based attacks.
Don't make me switch again, Keep msie and firefox seperate.
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Very true. Every HTML reference has to have NS2, NS3, NS4, IE2, ... IE6, WebTV, Opera, and whether or not an attribute is valid for any of the above.
However, I will still blame Microsoft. Microsoft published that worthless excuse for a web site building app... Frontpage. By the time you realized it was worthless, your pages were so hopelessly bloated with MS Frontpage tags... () Those tags took up a third of the space if you were looking at a website that used MS Themes.
There is an inherent side-effect to making something that is naturally complex more accessible: the discipline involved in skilled craftmanship gets watered down by the masses who can now magically build:
I have no doubt in my mind that dupes like this one are pure and simple FLAMEBAITS on the parts of the editors.
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Come on guys, they're sick and tired of hearing your complaints about duplicate news stories. Why waste your time complaining about them? If you've read it or if its a dupe, you're still going to check the comments at the very least and see if some better insight has been typed out by a fellow
If I were an editor and saw how quickly all your panties got in a twist with a simple reposting of information, I would do it just as much as they do.
On a personal note: I see them more as forum "bumps" than mistaken duplicates.
Microsoft adopts the RSS icon, they then create their own raft of extensions (embrace and extend) to RSS and add them feverishly to IE and convince everyone that their RSS is the standard one. Afterall, they use the right logo, right?
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MS seems to be borrowing items like the OS X 'busy' icon, and rounded-corners on windows (with metal/candy effects).
Such flattery.
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So, what's the icon for Atom feeds then, if that one's allegedly for RSS ones?
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I mean we have dupes here. A dime a dozen. What about tripes? I think we should make a sport of scoring tripes.
Here's the deal:
Whenever you notice a dupe, modify the Bulletin a little and submit it.
If every slashdot user does this we'll have a nice lineup of users-enforced tripes in no time.
We could even maybe aim for real quads. Maybe we have some allready?
At least then this dupe thing would get a new twist and we'd add some fun and interactivty to it.
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They were posted back to back, by two different editors, in the same section.
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That's a good idea. Slashdot is full of techy people with nothing to do, and dupes mean we have nothing to talk about. If everyone decides that dupes are for computer help, we could make Slashdot useful!
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So where is this supposed orange radio waves icon in firefox? Mine has the blue box with white letters saying "RSS". Did they change it in 1.5 or something?
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Can somebody explain it to me how this is a dupe?
I've seen the previous article too. That one was about IE team getting together with FF team to collaborate on the RSS icon. This article is about the result of the collaboration: IE team agreed to adapt FF's RSS icon.
While this result may be trivial, it could've been that they didn't reach an agreement on the icon, or they could've even created a new one.
This article is the result of the actions that were described in the previous article. I don't see how this is dupe.
One of the key changes is an article submission sandbox. Not as open as Digg but not as closed as /. Basically editors would still select stories but they would modded up or down prior to being posted, again by an editor, to the mainpage.
Or you could have users approve stories democratically. This is the approach of Scoop sites such as K5 and K6.
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There isa blue icon with white letters RSS on it in the URL component (at the right edge).
Are you sure it doesn't say "ASS"? bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261354
I want the logo changed to a burning IE logo.....and then petition MS to make good on their word to "create an industry standard." Then I would be impressed.
I read that 3 days ago on Digg.
But were the comments at Digg any good?
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So, are they going to pay a licence fee for use of the Firefox icon? ;) I know, it isn't like that, but I'm sure if it were the other way around, M$ would be screaming to the courts over copyright infringement.
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