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Women Now Outnumber Men Online

miller60 writes "There are now more American women than men using the Internet, according to a new study from the Pew Center on the Internet and American Life on gender and use of the Net. While a slightly larger percentage of men than women are online (68 percent vs 66 percent), the larger population of American women tips the balance. Other findings: younger women and black women outpace their male peers by larger margins than the wider population."

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  1. They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Paska · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Pew Internet Project surveys between January and June in 2005 show that 67 percent of the adult American population goes online".

    No it doesn't, what it shows is that 67% of the 6,403 people surveyed go online - not the whole population (280,000,000+) of America.

    This is almost as flawed as running a survey on Slashdot and concluding that 91% of the American population have never had a girlfriend.

    Quote from the Methodology section of the PDF:
    "The total number of respondents included in the 2002 findings was 14,416 and for 2005 was 6,403."

    1. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by acceber · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It would also be worth considering how honest people were in participating in this survey.

      For instance, it says that 21% of males visited adult websites compared with only 5% of women. In real life, both figures are probably a fair bit higher.

      The survey also concluded that 10% of women seeked info on how to quit smoking, compared with only 5% of men who have a higher smoking prevalence rate than their female counterparts in the US. One would think that these days, the incentive to quit smoking is just about equal for both sexes.

    3. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Guus.der.Kinderen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even 0.0023% of the population can give a surveyor an accurate result. It all depends on the way the population was sampled. Sampling can be a science in itself though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)

    4. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please read a little about statistical analysis.
      Using your population number 280000000 and 6,403 people survayed that gives a 95% confidence (which is about the norm for this type of study) that the survey answers are correct and apply to people who were not surveyed. This is with an margin of error of 1.22% which means that survey results may vary by 1.22% in either direction. This is all provided that the people surveyed where a random sample of the US population.

    5. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Oldsmobile · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you run into trouble when you are sampling a small part of the population, even if you have a fair sampling, say the 6000 mentioned. If half of those go online, then you only have a sampling of 3000, of those, half are women, down to 1500. And if you are working out what women online prefer, your sample is becoming woefully inaccurate, as there is no way to have an accurate representation of all demographics.

      Besides, 97% of all statistics are simply made up.

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    6. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by killkillkill · · Score: 2, Funny
      This is almost as flawed as running a survey on Slashdot and concluding that 91% of the American population have never had a girlfriend.

      Are you suggesting that 9% of the slashdotters that would participate in such a poll are lying?

    7. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is with an margin of error of 1.22% which means that survey results may vary by 1.22% in either direction.

      ... which might just be enough to reverse the article title and much of what's being said in the summary. So in this case, it could still mean quite a bit.

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    8. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      1500 is still a good size for a sample *if* it is unbiased. For an unbiased sample, the error scales as the square root of the sample, so a quarter the sample size only doubles the error of the sample.

      On the other hand, biasing can screw up your poll even with far larger sample sizes. For example, it makes little sense to measure the internet usage of the richest million people in the US and use that to extrapolate to the poorest million.

    9. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Gonzodoggy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds just like AOL in the old days... 75% of the women were really men.

    10. Re:They surveyed ~0.0023% of the population! by Skye16 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do!

      Oh wait, fuck! You tricked me!

  2. Surging by wombatmobile · · Score: 4, Funny

    black women have surged online in the last three years

    All kinds of women have been "surging" on the internet for a lot more than three years.

    Well, certain types of women.

    1. Re:Surging by kalyanbk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More people are finding out about the anonymity the internet is providing and women have an opportunity to thrive in a situation where they can have as many relationships that they would be unable or afraid to have in real life without pressure from society's norms (I am not talking about just women in the US who may already have this freedom but other countries too). You will soon find that what makes a man different from a woman will change soon as both of them get similar exposure, outdoor life and access to information and no/low restriction on their behaviour. Often you may find that in such situations women will behave the same as men if not worse.

  3. Online stores by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course women will gather when a whole new world of "Shopping!!!!" is at their fingertips.

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    1. Re:Online stores by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny
      > Of course women will gather when a whole new world of "Shopping!!!!" is at their fingertips.

      And the corollary would be:

      Of course men will gather when a whole new world of "Pr0n!!!!" is at their uhhhh.... fingertips.

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  4. Instant SlashDot poll! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I am a...

    o woman
    o man
    o geek
    o Cowboy Neal"

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    1. Re:Instant SlashDot poll! by $rtbl_this · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot:

      o All of the above

      I mean, have you seen the rack on Cowboy Neal?

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  5. Percentage by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before somebody says "68+66 does not add up to 100%" I suppose the submitter meant "While the percentage of men who are internet users (68%) is slightly larger than that of women (66%)"...

    1. Re:Percentage by grunfeld · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Goes to show more women are spending time on the internet, be it as a stay at home mom or from their offices in the ivory towers...... The real question is do people actually pay for survey results like this ...????

  6. Yeah! by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 2, Funny

    With more Women online, my chances of getting laid are now bigger! Nah, who I'm kidding.... :(

    1. Re:Yeah! by BrynM · · Score: 4, Funny
      With more Women online, my chances of getting laid are now bigger!
      You got it wrong man! We gotta stop this! How long until your next deathmatch is spent camping the catering talking to chix? How long until your HUD has smart looking drapes? I tell you, the internet was made by the military to let us men blow shit up virtually and they can pry my mouse from my cold dead hands when women...

      Good point. Ok, we'll let the cute ones use it. And the ones who put out. But that's it! Oh, and Sal's girlfriend too. Sorry Sal.

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  7. and I always thought ... by asac · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... those women on dating sites were fake. So finally, I get a chance?

    1. Re:and I always thought ... by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Women on the internet are faking it as men.

      My wife uses the Internet. I guess that means we're homosexuals, right?

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    2. Re:and I always thought ... by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I take it you have never questioned why she only wants anal sex with the lights off? :-P

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  8. It's true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just write word 'sex' to google, and you can see by the links women outnumbering men easily.

  9. Bitter Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh sure, they say they're women.

  10. Not Quite by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the internet, the place where women are women, and some men are women too.

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    1. Re:Not Quite by doubtless · · Score: 5, Funny

      and little 15 year old girls are FBI agents.

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    2. Re:Not Quite by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny
      This is the internet, the place where women are women, and some men are women too.

      ... and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuari were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.

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  11. But they use the net differently by shreevatsa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What the summary doesn't point out is that women and men seem to view the internet differently.
    the research found that men value the net for the freedom it gives them to try new ways of doing things. By contrast women like the opportunities the net gives them to make and maintain human connections.
    (Look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4555370.stm. )

    However, I have my own doubts about correct this research is --
    The Pew report also found that men are more likely to use the net to get at all kinds of information about sports results, weather, news, job offers and consumer ratings for goods and services. Men were also more likely to use the net for recreation and to listen to music, gather information for hobbies and take part in online fantasy sports leagues.
    All that is fine, but any research that doesn't mention porn must be flawed ;)
    1. Re:But they use the net differently by dheltzel · · Score: 5, Funny
      All that is fine, but any research that doesn't mention porn must be flawed ;)

      Umm, what part of "Men were also more likely to use the net for recreation" didn't you understand?

    2. Re:But they use the net differently by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All that is fine, but any research that doesn't mention porn must be flawed ;)
      Your last comment was meant, I suppose, to be tongue in cheek. I don't think it's wrong, however. Anyone who has 'existed' online since the early days of the WWW *knows* that pr0n has not only been endemic to the 'net experience' but has in fact driven many of its key technologies - audio, then video streaming for example.

      I understand that many people are squeamish about the subject, but if we're making a serious survey of net use, you're right - to entirely OMIT pr0n as a subject leaves an, er, gaping hole in the data.

      It would be practically like a survey of automobile use without referring to commuting.

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    3. Re:But they use the net differently by vettemph · · Score: 2, Funny

      >>>Umm, what part of "Men were also more likely to use the net for recreation" didn't you understand?

      and "...gather information for hobbies" fwap! fwap! fwap! fwap! fwap!

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  12. what a stupid poll by sl8r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love these utterly useless, US-centric "internet polls". They make it sound like the net stops at the borders. Ignorant people will be quoting these numbers for years to come, omitting the crucial "american" part.

    1. Re:what a stupid poll by HermanAB · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nevermind the net - the whole world stops a short distance beyond the USA borders and if you would try to go beyond, you'll fall off the edge. Here, there be dragons...

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  13. Still alot who aren't online by venicebeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These results might have caught my eye more if phrased in the reverse:

    About a third of the population does not ever use the internet.

    Even in the 18-29 age range its about 1 in 5 who are not online.

    1. Re:Still alot who aren't online by busmacedon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They won't be online because they cannot read.

      Shameless plagarism courtesy of wikipedia:

      "In the United States alone, one in seven persons (i.e., over 40 million people) can barely read a job offer or utility bill..."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy

      Read this report for more: about 14% of US adults have a below Basic literacy level for prose/documents (can't read a TV program or jury instructions), another fifth have only a "Basic" literacy level for prose/documents (cannot consult documents to find what foods contain certain vitamins.).

      A quarter of adults are quantitatively illiterate (have a below basic skill in reading numbers). These people cannot even compare prices of two event tickets.

      http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/

    2. Re:Still alot who aren't online by johncadengo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some people can't afford the internet, regardless of age. This is the United States of America, yes. But even then, not everyone living here is living in prosperity.

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  14. It's worse than that by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd discover that 91% of the American population is dating CowboyNeal.

  15. I already knew that! See... by Hitto · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are *billions* of women on the internet.
    The catch is, their names all end in .jpg ...

    1. Re:I already knew that! See... by tuomasr · · Score: 5, Funny

      The catch is, their names all end in .jpg ...

      No way! That's where you're wrong, I've met a lot of nice women on the internet whose name didn't end in .jpg. Let's see, there was Ms. Mpg, Ms. Png, Ms. Avi and so forth.

      They must've been poor though, all wanted my credit card number, but of course I feel bad for them since they apparently couldn't even afford clothes...

    2. Re:I already knew that! See... by Zwets · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, I come from a proud line of .JPGs you insensitive clod! I resent your insinuations regarding the virtues of the women in my family!

      Our family name dates all the way back to 17th century Dutch merchants. Originally we were called "Punt-Jan-Pieters' Grootvaeder" ("Dot-Jan-Pieters' Grandfather", in a mysterious reversal of the normal practice of naming people "so-and-so's son or daughter")). It later got shortened to .JPG by a lazy government administrator.

      Sincerely,

      Hendrik Olivier Thomas .JPG

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  16. It's called sampling by wmajik · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, I'm not one to defend surveys much if at all given that many of them are biased and not done correctly, but the reasoning you mentioned is simply flawed. Surveys are not meant to be done on the entire population, because polling 280 million Americans would be an impossible and unfeasible task.

    Surveys take a sample of the population to be polled and use that as a representative measure of the rest of the population. The sample size then is given a confidence interval of +/- percentage points (usually 5%) that indicate the accuracy of the poll, within a reasonable standard deviation. In English, this means that polls aren't 100% accurate, but a properly done survey should be accurate within 5% of the acutal figure the majority of the time.

    Selecting a random sample from the population is often the hardest part of any survey, but can be done correctly. To flat out say that using samples means that the data is irrelevant is completely inaccurate.

    /rant

    1. Re:It's called sampling by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Funny

      "because polling 280 million Americans would be an impossible and unfeasible task"

      Nah, we do it every 4 years... oh wait.

    2. Re:It's called sampling by FlameboyC11 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Naw, we do it every 10. Oh wait, I'm not lying.

  17. *Buzz* News Just In... by Gr1mm-R34p3r · · Score: 3, Funny

    According to CNN this wonderfully unbiased article's research was scientifically conducted in an IRC sex chat channel over a period of six months only on Friday nights.

  18. always with the average, feh by Quadraginta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Polls comparing the average behaviour of men and women are boring and useless. Frankly, who gives a damn what the differences between the average man and average woman is? Someone who is average, I guess...

    What a pity someone doesn't look at the differences in the distribution of how men and women use the net. Here's my guess: the distibution of men who use the net is probably much wider than the distribution of women, that is, there are probably more male the female total power net geeks, and also more men than women who never use the net at all.

  19. American women? by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...the larger population of American women tips the balance."

    But does this mean that there are more of them numerically, or that they're so large that they just tip the balance easier? This was rather ambiguous, and I refuse to read TFA to find the answer.

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  20. Using the Internet Differently by StonePiano · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check this BBC article.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4555370.stm
    Apparently men and women use the Internet for different priorities.

    Could this suggest that there is actually a difference in the genders?
    The mystery thickens...

    1. Re:Using the Internet Differently by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Could this suggest that there is actually a difference in the genders?

      I initially started wondering "why bother with this trivia about who uses the internet" but then I realized why such research is done. Marketing. So, the real purpose isn't about differences in the sexes. The real purpose is to find new demographics to market crap to.

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  21. wider population by kwoff · · Score: 4, Funny

    The blurb was misleading. I think they're actually referring to the mass of women online, not the number. I'll clarify by slightly editing the quote. ObFatties:

    There are now more [of] American women than men using the Internet ... the larger population of American women tips the balance ... larger margins than the wider population.
  22. Re:but what are they doing? by AtomicBomb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    they creating new Googles? big difference, I hope they are creating new Googles, but most likely the number of women doing that is still small. It is not such an advance for female-kind to do email and chatting online!
    Who cares? Internet is just a media. Think about it as a telephone. People enjoy using it to chat with friend will continue to do so when using Internet. Many talk on the phone exclusively on business matter on the other hand. Some design to hack around (remember what's the origin of 2600?) the telephone network. We can find an analogue between the former phone commnunity to the Internet one (IM addicts/.com startup/hackers). Nothing wrong/ primitive/ need to be fixed in terms of user activity profile. It is just a reflection of the society.
  23. The best predictor is having kids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The least likely to go on line were young and single. The most likely to go on line were married people with children. So: if you aren't tied down, there are better things to do with your life than going on the internet. Once you are tied down then the internet is a viable alternative to having a life.

  24. Newsflash! by jcr · · Score: 5, Funny

    For instance, it says that 21% of males visited adult websites

    79% of men are liars!

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Newsflash! by foxtrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For instance, it says that 21% of males visited adult websites

      79% of men are liars!


      While I am willing to believe that not every male on the Internet has intentionally visited an adult website (okay, not 79%...) I refuse to believe that there's anyone, male or female, on the Internet that has never had an adult website visit them, whether via spam, or popups, or popunders, or...

  25. it does mention porn by welcher · · Score: 3, Informative
    and they say:
    We have occasionally asked users about visiting adult websites. The overall participation rates have remained constant, from about 13% - 15%. Traditionally, three to five times as many men as women have responded positively to this question.
    The numbers they give are 21% of online men saying they visit adult websites and 5% of women.
  26. Interesting by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The adult websites statistic should give you a view that this survey was not very accurate, but it's interesting to see women taking more of a view in the internet nowdays compared to a few years back (even if the numbers are exaggerated). You can't help but wonder wether this will change the marketing approach of some online businesses as they adapt to the growing number of females that they can sell to.

  27. American women...? by vrta · · Score: 2, Funny

    "the larger population of American women tips the balance."

    or...

    "the larger American women tip the balance." ?

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  28. I hope *someone* told them.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 3, Funny

    That the "hot 18 y/o girl" they were talking to online may not be exactly what they're expecting.... :)

  29. This is only natural by IntelliAdmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this is only natural - as time passes the net will reflect the demographic of the outside world. More and more non-tech types will join the net. The fact is most IT, and developers are still men. These were the first people to start using the net.

  30. Your trouble is with editors at news sources by ianscot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's interesting to scan down the list of titles different sources gave this same basic story. They all basically parrot back the headline the report used, but lots don't even get that right.

    While several of the stories (like this one on /.) are saying a slightly higher percentage of women now use the 'net, the first bullet point on The Pew site says "The percentage of women using the internet still lags slightly behind the percentage of men." Later in their summary Pew gives the bland tag news sources probably reacted to: "In most categories of internet activity, more men than women are participants, but women are catching up. "

    The report itself is far more wide-ranging, and most of its interesting content gets left out of the usual suspects. I mean, parents are more likely to be online than nonparents -- 80% to 60%, which is a BIG difference. And so on. Even dramatic stuff gets discarded in favor of a horse-race-between-the-sexes thing, here. And I'll bet Pew phrased their own headline as a gender gap thing as a way of getting the attention of news sources, too -- the problem perpetuates itself.

    Why is it that general news sources touch on only one or two aspects of something like this, but the original source's press release is much richer in the same space? It's like the whole "force a dialectic on the story even if there isn't one" thing is causing reporters to discard tons of primary information to sell a faked-up conflict that isn't there. (The more tabloid a source is, the worse it gets, too. Fox makes a hell of a living pimping every story up like this.)

    In a reporting world like that, reporters aren't being asked to turn stories on their heads. They're just regurgitating press releases and reinforcing stereotypes.

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  31. Re:So do this mean by HikingStick · · Score: 2, Informative

    The vast majority of men experience their primary arousal from visual sources.

    While some women may peruse pornographic images, they are more likely to prefer text based accounts and descriptions.

    I do not remember the source, but the use of the Internet to access pornography is growing across all age and gender demographics.

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  32. We needed a study to prove this? by HikingStick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't intend this as a flame, but give me a break. In nearly every area of life women differ from men. This is not a bad thing (I can't imagine being married to someone like me!), but it flies in the face of a segment of society that wants to believe that all gender differences are learned behavior and have no basis in genetics (nurture over nature).

    Anyone who has both sons and daughters knows they are different, no matter how hard you try to androgenize them.

    We need to get over ourselves and realize that difference does not equate to inferiority.

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  33. Re:What's this "e-mail" I keep hearing about? by Anthony+Liguori · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And just how big is the rock that the rest of these people are living under?

    I think e-mail is slowly dying actually. A lot of kids don't really use it instead preferring to use instant messenger. If a kid has their own computer with broadband access, that stays on 24x7, why not just use IM?

    Spam really hurts the usefulness of e-mail for a lot of users. Personally, I've reduced my personal e-mail account to just notification from various things I'm involved in (school, bills, etc.).

    The thing I like so much about IM is that only people who I've explicitly allowed to contact me can actually contact me. This means no spam. With logging, and grep, it's just as useful a communications history as e-mail.

  34. What I want to know is... by TaggartAleslayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many random "A/S/L????" IM's did it take to reach this conclusion?

  35. What about the spam result?? by drasfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only that is amazed? (or read the full survey!) at this line that says:

    Order from Spam: 6% of online men. 5% of online women.

    5%, even with a margin of error is still a lot. But i know that it is probably true. At a previous business that wasn't doing spam but were sending small email campaigns we were estimating a return rate of about 3%.

    I just think this number is scaringly high... the reason spam works, spammers still have work, and my 6 years old email address receives over 500 spams a day!

    so, yes, am I the only one amazed by this? I would have like to have more question on this topic, like what do you buy from spam? Are you satisfied with it? How often do you buy from spam? etc...

    1. Re:What about the spam result?? by flajann · · Score: 2, Funny
      Of course, those who order from spam probably don't consider it as such. Which may skew the results.

      Some like it hot
      Some like it cold
      Some like it in the pot
      9 days old!

  36. something's wrong... by gadzook33 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And yet my own studies indicate there are fewer women on the internet dating sites.

  37. More women online? by curteck · · Score: 2, Funny

    That can't be right... It's either: A) More bots posing to be chicks. B) More desperate older, fat and ugly chicks. C) Tranies screwing up the numbers. D) A scientific study done by a bunch of guys trying to get chicks to believe its ok to use the internet without the usual stigma being pinned to them so these same guys have an easier time finding dates and move out of their mom's basement.

  38. My Own Experience by klept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Based on my own experience, I would say it is true that more women then men are using the internet. And the BBC article that some have posted, also confirms with my experience. Many, oh hell, all of these women want to socialize, make a "connection", become friends, etc.. I can tell you that is what has happened to me on the MMORG COH. And yes they are really women. The emails and phone conversations we have had have confirmed this. This is getting maybe off the subject, but has it occured to anyone that maybe this is happening in general in life, both business and personal, as women have become more involved and less passive in society. Before, when it was a "man's" world, activities and functions were well defined. I mean if you went swimming or jogging, it was for that reason. Or MMORG gaming. Now with so many girls involved, it gets into more of a social thing. Yeah, I know, if guys are around girls they start chasing after them. But it seems to me it's more of the girls doing the chasing. Sort of what McLuan said about us changing from a left brained reuductionist society to holiistic right brained. And isnt that more suited to women's brain chemistry? So maybe it is naturally becoming a women's world anyhow with the technological changes that have happened. And with these changes we are getting a new perspective of things and a new way of thinking. Because after all, isnt thinking and ways to think a very polymorphis occurance. OMG did I say all that?