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Nanotech in Microchips by 2015

dotwhynot writes "Molecular electronics, a realm once considered science fiction, could be heading for our computers and devices sooner than thought. A new report on the technology roadmap of the chip industry finds a growing confidence in new nanotechnology, and forecasts that the transition to the post-silicon era could happen by 2015. The development of nanoswitches has already reached a point where it will be possible to manufacture them reliably at low cost. Intels goal over the next decade is to build chips that hold more than one trillion switches."

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  1. Ipods have Nano Technology by richman555 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the ipods already had this technology!

  2. That's much later than I thought... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everything seems like it's "nanotech this" "nanotech that" these days... It seems like "nano" stuff in microchips should already be here. Marketspeak = the big let down.

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  3. So far, it looks like a pipe dream to me. by mmell · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not that I'm against that - after all, going to the moon must've seemed like an impossible dream to most people in the 50's. A computer able to hold millions of bits of information and able to fit in a single room? Laughable.

    Still, predictions that a nascent and unproven technology will sweep into widespread usage within a decade seems just a bit optimistic. I just hope that I'm wrong.

    1. Re:So far, it looks like a pipe dream to me. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude! I wish I had the Time to Mod my PC to look like that. Get some USB Gadges An old teletype case mixed with a tractor lazer printer, and a keyboard. A 32 Inch LCD screen in an Old 50s TV case, with some good speakers in it. Joysticks, some Switchs and modify a mechanical mouse with the duel steering wheel action! Dude adminstrating a Linux box with this would be a spectator sport.

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    2. Re:So far, it looks like a pipe dream to me. by Lextar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's actually a hoax:

      http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp

      Although the photograph displayed could represent what some people in the early 1950s contemplated a "home computer" might look like (based on the technology of the day), it isn't, as the accompanying text claims, a RAND Corporation illustration from 1954 of a prototype "home computer." The picture is actually an entry submitted to a Fark.com image modification competition, taken from an original photo of a submarine maneuvering room console found on U.S. Navy web site, converted to grayscale, and modified to replace a modern display panel and TV screen with pictures of a decades-old teletype/printer and television (as well as to add the gray-suited man to the left-hand side of the photo

  4. Heat by mysqlrocks · · Score: 3, Informative

    The transition to new nanotechnology techniques could occur around 2015, when chip makers will have exhausted their ability to shrink the wires and switches that make up the modern processors and memory storage devices at the heart of the computer, communications and consumer electronics industries.

    Nevermind the growing heat concern. Who was it that said soon microchips will be hotter than the surface of the sun if they keep getting faster at the same rate they are now?

    1. Re:Heat by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Informative
      > Who was it that said soon microchips will be hotter than the surface of the sun if they keep getting faster at the same rate they are now?

      1) James Clerk Maxwell
      2) Max Plank
      3) Gordon Moore
      4) All of the above ;-)

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    2. Re:Heat by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nevermind the growing heat concern. Who was it that said soon microchips will be hotter than the surface of the sun if they keep getting faster at the same rate they are now?

      That's assuming that power consumption continues to increase inside the silicon chip. With these switches, using different materials all together, power consumption is supposed to be greatly reduced. What you're doing is similar to comparing a statement made about vacum tubes to transistors.

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    3. Re:Heat by mysqlrocks · · Score: 2, Informative

      What you're doing is similar to comparing a statement made about vacum tubes to transistors.

      Actually no, I was stating one more reason that wasn't previously mentioned as to why this nanotech is needed. You misunderstood my point.

    4. Re:Heat by LionKimbro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Computing is going all low-power and parallel. Check out Intel's Platform 2015.

  5. That being the case by kpainter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let me be the first to coin the term "picotechnology". I don't know anything about it except that it will be sub-molecular electronics.

  6. Shouldn't they be called by Hooptie · · Score: 2, Insightful
    nanochips?

    Hooptie

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  7. This just in... by BigDork1001 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... flying cars by 1990! Also in 2001 we will be sending a mission to Jupiter with a space ship run by a super-intelligent computer.

    I'll believe it when I see it. These tech predictions rarely seem to happen when people think.

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    1. Re:This just in... by Fr05t · · Score: 3, Funny

      But you see nano tech will make flying cars, and Duke Nukem Forever possible!

  8. Because "micro" was overused in by IAAP · · Score: 2, Funny

    the 80's and 90's. Next will be "pico technology" and then after that "femto technology". Quick, trademark those names!

    1. Re:Because "micro" was overused in by CreatureComfort · · Score: 2, Funny


      That's the tech I'll use in my robot... my girl robot.

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  9. I got "zepto technology"! by IAAP · · Score: 2, Funny

    First dibs! It'll be the "in" thing, well, after I'm dead. Aw, shit!

  10. Expect a transitional phase... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The transition to new nanotechnology techniques could occur around 2015, when chip makers will have exhausted their ability to shrink the wires and switches

    Shrinking the wires can ALREADY be done with carbon nanotubes. Already some of them are being used for heat dissipation in audio chips.

    So, IMHO, it'll be more or less like this:

    1) Carbon nanotubes will replace copper wires in CPU's, disminishing the required operational voltage and current leakage.

    2) "Conventional" technologies used today (like multigate transistors) will be optimized for nanotube wires.

    3) The first nanotube transistors will appear a couple of years after 2) is developed.

    4) As this technology is improved, one day we'll be able to use spintronic or optical transistors.

    Somewhere in the middle of these, 3D-layered chips and massively-parallel computing will be developed. Oh yes, don't forget about the system-in-a-chip.

    A (redudant - read my past posts on the subject) glimpse into the future: In 20 or 30 years our computers will be smaller than a Nintendo gamecube. No floppy disks, just flash (or magnetic?) memory cards and solid-state HDs. PCI bus will be cast into oblivion, when the new add-on cards fit in a PS2 memory stick. Small future, indeed.

    1. Re:Expect a transitional phase... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A (redudant - read my past posts on the subject) glimpse into the future: In 20 or 30 years our computers will be smaller than a Nintendo gamecube. No floppy disks, just flash (or magnetic?) memory cards and solid-state HDs. PCI bus will be cast into oblivion, when the new add-on cards fit in a PS2 memory stick. Small future, indeed.

      I predict that a computer smaller than a Nintendo Gamecube will be released into the public conciousness on January 2005 in the form of the Apple Mac mini. They are pretty neat too. I think there are older examples in embedded computers as well as miniITX boards.

      Why predict the use of removable memory cards? Why not also say those are considered offensive because of a global wireless network?

      The only reason full size desktops and midtowers are commonly available is cost, flexibility and performance, not many are willing to trade those off.

    2. Re:Expect a transitional phase... by oxbow+lake · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a lot of issues with carbon nanotube (CNT) technology that your post doesn't take into account. Carbon nanotube transistors already exist in FET form, but there are hurdles to overcome in terms of integrated circuit production.

      The first thing that will need to occur is selective growth of semiconducting or metallic carbon nanotubes. All the current synthesis methods that I'm aware of produce a hodgepodge of both, and separating them is not the easiest thing to do.

      The techniques of which I'm aware for device fabrication using CNTs tend to use some variation of flowing a gas such as methane over an iron-based catalyst at high temperature (~900 deg. C). The result is nanotubes growing in every direction from the chunk of catalyst, and using lithographic techniques you can then attach electrical leads to the islands and hope that they're connected by a single tube. This is quite successful for research purposes, but needs some serious optimization/automation for commercial fabrication.

      I think what I'm trying to say is that your comment that current technologies will be "optimized for nanotube wires" overlooks that fact that conventional technology is not necessary appropriate for such adaptation.

      We're still a long way from integrated CNT transistor circuits.

  11. Re:Is it worth learning about in a small college? by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, learn how to design circuits in general. It won't matter what the underlying technology is after that, you can learn to use any of them. The hard part is learning how to design them in the first place. I took a class on how to design silicon chips my senior year. Give me a new technology and it won't take me long to pick up the new features not that I understand the basics.

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  12. Ugh, you got your by thaerin · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... nano in my wafer. You got your wafer in my nano.

    Intels goal over the next decade is to build chips that hold more than one trillion switches.

    Floating point errors performed at the speed of light!

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  13. And by 2020... by DaFallus · · Score: 2, Funny

    we'll have flying cars...

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  14. "Nanotech in Microchips by 2015" by gregski · · Score: 3, Informative

    And there was me thinking that microchips manufactured on the 65nm scale was nanotech.

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  15. I remember when by kevinx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    computers were so big, we'd call them desktops.

  16. So... all Windows flaws by Hymer · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...will be then fixed... too bad we have to wait 10 years for this.

  17. Your career will be over... by threaded · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seeing as how short most careers in IT are most of the readers here will have have finished their career in computers by the time this happens.

  18. Too small.... by Itninja · · Score: 3, Funny

    As it is now, I 'lose' my Thinkpad (in the couch cushions, under a coffee table book, etc.) about once a week. I'd hate to think of a system that I lose in folds of my flesh.

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  19. Re:Still waiting!! by teslar · · Score: 4, Funny
    50% of all cars were to fly by 1990.
    According to Flying Car Magazine (1992, vol 12, pp 34-38), the figure of 50% was actually already reached in 1987. Furthermore, the last ground vehicle to be produced was a special 'Grand Finale' edition of the Volkswagen Beetle in 1996. So what are you complaining about?
    Oh.... I get it, you're from the lo-tech enclave set up by our Voryonite Overlords - that small patch of land back on planet Earth where people have been kept oblivious of the arrival of our Lords and left to develop on their own, the aim being to convince even the last sceptic that the arrival of our Lords has been a Good Thing (tm).
    How cute, so you've got internet now. Do you also access it through neuralites or are you still using external equipment? I'm sorry, I'm a little out of touch - I haven't watched the OldWay Feed since I was very little... anyway, must run, a Triunian Starhopper has just docked, I need to fix some of their computer systems. A starport, even a remote one like Venus V, is a great place to be when you're a nerd :)
    See ya! And do drop by once you develop space flights, I'll get you really good deals on antimatter!
  20. Re:Conveniently ignoring... by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...all the techs that are in widespread use and far superior to those that were predicted in Sci-Fi. You know, like the collection you're using right now to read this.

    Right!!!! You might think /. is far superior to a space ship with warp drive and a hot andriod woman, but I'm not with ya on that brother ;-)

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  21. Re:Nanotubes replacing Silicon microprocessors by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    First off, there is exactly 0 reason to switch from QWERT to Dvorak. The only proof that Dvorak is faster is from..oh what was that guys name? hmm oh yeah, Dvorak.

    QWERTY has nothing to do with speed, and everything to do with the letter positioning in the carriage of typewriters.

    Even the alledged speed difference is pretty much moot on any modern computer, for all practical reasons.

    Now, there is hugh motivation to make this technology work. When it does work it will mean faster smaller and cooler computers. That means big money to Intel, and also to AMD who will wait for intel to develop it, then steal it...then possibly make it better.

    they won't convert fabs, they will build new. And spending a billionh dollarsd an a fab so you can make 100 billion is a good investment, espcially if you control the IP.

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  22. Bugs in the system by thecpuguru · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, now when programmers say there are "bugs" in the system, we know they mean nano-bugs; and we can all look forward to nano-viruses that will follow. Get me a can of NANO-RAID, please!

  23. Re:Is it worth learning about in a small college? by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Informative

    To help you out, there are three levels of circuit design you would need to learn. The first is the basics. What the NAND, NOR, OR, AND, XOR, and various flip-flops do. That was a sophmore level course in computer/electrical engineering (or CS) at my school. After that, you get into more advanced designs including designing your own microprocessors and such. That level is the most advanced you can learn without being "process specific".

    The last level is the physical level. Currently, this involves laying out the parts of the transistors on circuit, all the metal, all the N and P areas (If you don't know what that means, you will when you take basic electronics courses involving transistors) and so on. With this new tech, you will have to relearn this area, but that is it.

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  24. Thank you for your submission by Laaserboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    THANK YOU for your submission of a new
    [x] nanostructure
    [ ] laser
    [x] transistor
    using
    [x] large molecules
    [ ] DNA strands
    [ ] silicon
    This is a bad idea, because
    [ ] a 3-D structure is difficult to heat-sink
    [x] scientists likely never will produce a transistor this way
    [x] silicon has unique properties that cannot be matched
    [ ] this is a case of outright fraud
    The problem however is not to make circuits
    [ ] out of lasers
    [ ] 3-D
    [x] from anything but silicon
    [ ] self ordered
    But the problem is to make them
    [x] reliably
    [x] at low cost
    [x] faster
    Further this article was published in
    [ ] Science
    [ ] New Scientist
    [x] NYT
    [ ] Science News
    which is primarily a publicity-seeking instrument, and not a great peer-reviewed journal of physics.
    I can say this because I have a
    [ ] BS
    [ ] MS
    [x] PhD
    in
    [x] Physics
    [ ] Electrical Engineering

  25. Re:Fault tolerence by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you understand how many dead transistors there are in a modern CPU? We already have [b]huge[b] fault tolerant abilities in microchips.

  26. Re:Fault tolerence by cnettel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do we, really? We have ECC and selectively disabling sections when we know they don't work, but do we have a scheme where one faulty transistor in the core itself will never affect operation? (Compare to how ECC might promise you no data loss desptie a n-bit error within a word.)

  27. Billy Windows to downgrade by Cre8ed · · Score: 2, Funny


    Bill's weapon was originally micro and soft. In his old age he has been downgraded to nano and it is no longer possible to measure for any degree of stiffness.

    Mork says Bill's got a "nano nano"
    Bill says "I am trying to reach pico status"

    W1nd0z3 1s fa d0rks