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OEM Hard Drive With Window

SJasperson writes "At last, you don't need to mess around with Dremel tools and Lexan (and destroy your valuable data) to get a clear window in your hard drive. Western Digital has released the Raptor X 150GB SATA hard drive. 10,000 RPM, 4.6ms seek time, 16MB buffer, and, yes, a clear window so you can see what's going on inside. Made out of a special polycarbonate lens with an ESD-dissipative coating, the lens is designed to let case modders and their groupies see the drive platters and heads without sacrificing data integrity."

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  1. Is it just me? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or is this idea just silly?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Is it just me? by RickPartin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Case modding is all about being cool and different. Wasting money on things like this gives these guys a bigger e-penis. One practical purpose I can think of is for education. Letting students watch the drive work as it chugs along reading and writing data.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by crandall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, this would make discovering harddrive problems much easier.

    3. Re:Is it just me? by javaxman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Or is this idea just silly?

      Of course it's not just you. Of course this idea is silly. So is putting a light inside your PC, or most case modding in general.

      Then again, decorating your low-end Honda Civic with big mufflers, racing stripes, and spinny hubcaps is silly, too, but that doesn't stop a huge multi-million-dollar industry from springing up around providing those accessories for people who want to do something silly like that.

      It's silly, sure. But it's nowhere as silly as a necktie. I mean, have you seen those things ? What sort of fool would spend money on those, much less actually wear one ?!?

      Don't even get me started on women's fashions...

      I mean, there are businesses that would sell you a hard drive with a window in it, or at least take your hard drive and put at window in it already, aren't there? The news here is that an OEM has decided that the market ( or at least press marketing opportunity ) is big enough to sell a windowed hard drive, right?

    4. Re:Is it just me? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Every gamer/case-modder under the sun will now only purchase the Raptor.

      Oh yeah, this will be perfect for my Schrödinger Box.

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    5. Re:Is it just me? by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Troubleshooting chart

      1) Head not moving - drive dead.
      2) Head moving too much - not enough memory.
      3) Head lying at bottom of case - drive broken.

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    6. Re:Is it just me? by toleraen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Problems like finding lost files, damaged partition tables, and fragmentation! Is that grub installed in the MBR, or lilo? Now we'll be able to look and find out!

    7. Re:Is it just me? by sunwolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think it would be awesome if you could fit an aquarium in there.

    8. Re:Is it just me? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Then again, decorating your low-end Honda Civic with big mufflers, racing stripes, and spinny hubcaps is silly, too, but that doesn't stop a huge multi-million-dollar industry from springing up around providing those accessories for people who want to do something silly like that.
      Except this is no low-end Honda Civic hard drive. 150 GB, 10K RPM, NCQ. Nobody makes fun of Apple for going out of their way to make iPods look good, because they are good. The same may apply here.
    9. Re:Is it just me? by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's kind of cool but I'd rather see effort spent on more reliable drives. I cool mine and everything and still have a couple die a year. They're under load but not unreasonable load. Just make the darn things last at least a couple years each.

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    10. Re:Is it just me? by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In true Ricer style, all case mods would be purely for appearance, while the processor is a 300MHz PII with 100MB RAM. This seems to be what they do with modded cars; putting racing stripes, spoilers and neon on a Civic while keeping the stock engine.

    11. Re:Is it just me? by ewhac · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, it's not silly.

      There are plenty of people who will tell you I'm weird, but I would find such a drive to be a help in diagnosing disk performance problems or failures. Being able to peer inside the drive would afford a good first-order approximation as to what's wrong.

      Your drive starts returning bad or no data. What's wrong with it? With the black box you have now, your options are pretty much limited to the SMART diagnostics (if any) and some blind stabbing with ATA commands. With a clear cover, you can look to see if the heads are actually moving, and whether they're moving to the correct position.

      How badly fragmented is your filesystem? Launch apps, look in the drive window, and see how much the heads are flopping around.

      How many sectors has the drive quietly reassigned because the platter's going bad? Run dd against the whole drive and watch to see if the heads spastically flip to a random place.

      Your drive starts making a funny noise, but everything else seems fine for the moment. Have a look inside and see if the platters are vibrating unusually (bounce a laser off them), or if the heads are moving in a funny way.

      Like I said, some would call me weird. But I just feel better knowing what the fsck is actually going on.

      Schwab

    12. Re:Is it just me? by ozbird · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't even get me started on women's fashions...

      I'd like to see windows in women's fashion - the internals are far more interesting.

    13. Re:Is it just me? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know it used to be that mounting a drive vertically used to shorten the lifespan of the drive

      That's because until the invention of stickier platters, all the bits would eventually drift down to the bottom of a platter, thus causing it to wobble out of balance.

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    14. Re:Is it just me? by vermox · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now you just need a transparent cat

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    15. Re:Is it just me? by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's already there, as long as you don't look for it.

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  2. up next... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And coming soon, the first OEM Hard drive where you can literally see your data go bad.

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  3. Hey look ! by bushboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... what ?

    wasn't that a porn movie you just downloaded ?

    Huh, how can you tell ?

    Well, I swear the heads started moving faster ?

    Yeah - look, the platters are spinning like crazy !

    Bzzzzt - bzt bzt bztttt - click clack clack thwack click clack

    What was that ?

    Er, windows update I think .. ?

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  4. Well that's no fun :( by reverendG · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're taking all of the fun out of it! What's the point of modding your case if it doesn't involve power tools and the risk of damage to expensive components?!

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    1. Re:Well that's no fun :( by RavenDarkholme · · Score: 4, Funny
      What's the point of modding your case if it doesn't involve power tools and the risk of damage to expensive components?!
      Oh come now. What about all the poor unfortunates with no access to nor knowledge of power tools? What of the non-geek guys trying to impress the geek grrrls? The poor fools that everyone laughs at during lan parties with their Micron Windows ME PC's from Costco?

      The poseurs. Will no one think of the poseurs?

      Truly, this is a fine day for wannabes everywhere.
    2. Re:Well that's no fun :( by dR.fuZZo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry. Installing the curtains is still pretty risky.

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  5. They are just now making these? by RickPartin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised something like this has never been built before purely for educational purposes. I can see someone making a good amount of money selling a hard drive like this for 5 times the price to schools. Hell I'd like to have one of these myself (for a few bucks more) since I've never had a hard drive I was willing to gut and even then I wouldn't get to see it work.

    1. Re:They are just now making these? by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's called the IBM 62PC.

      There's one sitting in a lab that I have class in, and it's totally transparent.

    2. Re:They are just now making these? by merreborn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm surprised something like this has never been built before purely for educational purposes. I can see someone making a good amount of money selling a hard drive like this for 5 times the price to schools.

      Bah. There are millions of old useless drives out there, in landfills and elsewhere, all across the country. When I was a kid, I found a 40 megabyte harddrive in the garage (with the $400 price sticker still attatched) and disassembled it. The rare earth magnets that were inside (with a pull of over 100 lbs) are still stuck to my parent's fridge.

      Why would a school want to spend $350 on a new drive with a window when they can get an old drive for every individual kid to tear appart free? It's a learning experience they'll never forget.

    3. Re:They are just now making these? by AaronW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have an old IBM SCSI hard drive that has a small window in the side, though it's a dark orange in color and difficult to see through, it is there and you can see inside. This drive is over 10 years old though.

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    4. Re:They are just now making these? by bhtooefr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here you go, a picture of four 62PCs sitting on shelves, hooked to an IBM System/34 (IIRC).

      http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/s34_dis ks.gif

      Note that two are facing the camera, and show the transparency. I can also try to get a few pics of the one @ my college.

  6. Marketing Mistake by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

    This product shouldn't be called "Raptor". It should be called "Schrodinger".

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  7. case modder....GROUPIES??? by tupshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    wow...this is one twisted universe we live in. :)

    -Tupshin

  8. No WAY! by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...And just let some flunky with a laser pointer come by and screw up all my data? You must be shrooming!

    1. Re:No WAY! by guitaristx · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you think that a laser pointer is going to mess up the magnetic encoding of your data on the disk, you must be "shrooming"!

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    2. Re:No WAY! by sdo1 · · Score: 2
      Bah. You're just not using the right laser pointer.

      -S

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  9. a dream come true by BushCheney08 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ooooooohhhh! Spinny AND shiny!

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  10. For $350 ... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I will take an external 400Gb drive.

    Is the window worth paying more than $1/gig of storage? Let alone over $2?

    1. Re:For $350 ... by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Informative

      The window isn't what makes it expensive. What makes it expensive is the fact that it's the fastest non-SCSI drive available.

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  11. Huh? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    a clear window so you can see what's going on inside.

    What, the spinning?

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  12. in other news by shitzu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kingston is planning to release ram modules with a window by Q2 2006

    1. Re:in other news by ReverendLoki · · Score: 3, Funny

      Really, I'm looking forward to the Opterons with magnifying windows so you can see all the circuits clicking away....

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  13. LED? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, the site is running about as fast as a two-legged dog, so all I'm getting is a verrrrry slow loading flashvertisement. Does anyone know if the drive comes with an LED behind the window. As LED's inside the case would likely reflect off the clear cover (and no LED's in the case = too dark to see), the best visibility would be gained by a LED behind the window. Perhaps they could make it an "activity LED," so that it would change colours or flash brightly when the drive is accessing. At $350 already (which seems a bit steep to me, but then I haven't bought have any 10000RPM SATA drives to compare to) they could probably tack on a few extra bucks just by putting some little LED's in there to add to the "oooooo look at me" factor

  14. How long .... by malraid · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... before some case modders opens one of these to replace the clear window with some opaque material?

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  15. The Title by McGiraf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The title scared me , buy a OEM drive and it has Windows on it!

  16. hardware windows? by legalize.ganja.now. · · Score: 3, Funny

    does this guy work for WD now?
    i for one DON'T welcome our new windowed hdd overlords because it would give me a very uncomfortable feeling to have windows at hardware level!

  17. Also insanely fast (benchmark links below) by larsoncc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new Raptor - it's far faster than even several SCSI drives (in real world, "gamer" stuff), it's got more than 2X the storage than its predecessor, and it's coming at a price point of $300-350. (that's just $100 MSRP higher than the 74GB version).

    New Egg has the drive for $295.

    This performance comparison has the drive's gaming performance... It's as fast or faster than 15K SCSI drives! (single user, single app performance on this page, BUT - the article does have full benchmarks)

    And that's just ONE drive. So, RAID 0 is probably pretty rockin.

    And if you're already a Raptor user, it's my bet that this will lower the price of the other models. It's time to get my RAID 0 on!

  18. How timely... by NerveGas · · Score: 2, Insightful


        Yesterday, we took an old drive out of a server as a preemptive measure, and for fun, we popped it in another machine, booted it up, and pulled the top off of the drive. Today, we got tired of watching it run, so we did various destructive things to it as it ran.

        The point is that once things are in your disk cache, it's rather boring - it's a spinning disk and an arm that's stationary, or doesn't move much. To make things really exciting, you've got to get some really good random seeks happening. "updatedb" does a good job, but only the first time - after that, it's all coming out of disk cache.

        Sure, some guy loading his favorite game will hit the disk a bit, but unless he's gone out of his way to fragment his drive really badly, I don't think that it's going to be all that fun to watch. Of course, if he's short enough on memory to cause the thing to thrash to the page file, that might be kind of fun... but that sort of defeats the point of having a Raptor, doesn't it?

    steve

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  19. Not only.... by erik+umenhofer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can I HEAR the click of death, now I can SEE it.

    Great....I wonder what 200 gigs of Tara Patrick videos being lost looks like...

  20. Re:Transparent Auto Engines - OT by modemboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well I couldn't find video but there have been transparent engines built before for flow analysis. Here is a link with some pics of/from a single cylinder one, scroll down a ways:
    http://www.tvu.com/PSCylTEngweb.htm

  21. Re:Why would it be silly? by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't it funny that my case has windows, now my hard drives will have windows, but not contained within either is Windows®?

  22. Just a *window*? Feh! by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll wait until they release the model with the entire body made of something transparent.

    And if you mod this "funny", you've missed my intent. Quite serious, why go for a window rather than at least the non-board-half fully transparent? Not like these things have a lot of stress on the shell itself, that they need to use metals to protect them...

  23. NOT GOOD ENOUGH by Stoutlimb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they're catering to the modders, then this is just not good enough unless it has blue LED's inside. Or any other colour. Selectable colours by jumper would be good. Or better yet, have the colour fluctuate when reading from the drive.

    If I was in charge, I would make the colour smoothly change across the RGB spectrum, the colour depending on where on the HD the last read was. Red being the beginning of the hard drive, and blue being at the end. That way you could see with a glance from roughly where on the HD your data is being read from.

    That would be way cool. Kudos to these guys for a good start.

    Bork!

  24. Think positive by nsayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Better a hard disk with a window in it than a hard disk with Windows on it.

  25. Sweet Irony by ZoneGray · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll be darned, NewEgg has this RAID-Optimized hard drive in stock. Limit one to a customer.

    What's that called, RAID -1?

  26. Video mirror by vidnet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heavily slashdotted, but here's a mirror of the video (more as it downloads).

  27. Semi-related: Darth Vader's helmet by sdo1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A couple of weeks ago, I went to the Star Wars exhibit at the Museum of Science in Boston. They've got all kinds of props that were used in the movies, including Darth Vader's helmet from Revenge of the Sith (the one you can see the inside of while they're putting it over his cripsy burnt face).

    As most people know, movie props are often made of common items and then painted, dressed-up, etc, but you don't often notice them as such. Now here's how this is related to the subject at hand (don't mod me off-topic just yet).

    I'm not sure how many non-geeks (or even semi-geeks for that matter) know what the inside of a hard drive looks like or what the parts look like. But there, inside Darth Vader's helmet... the one used as a prop in ROTS... are two stacks of hard drive head arms. They just look like some high-tech gizmo to give it a cool futuristic cyber look.

    I wonder how many people actually saw them and recognized them for what they are. I have no idea if they can actually be seen in the movie or not. I just though it was kind of cool that there are hard drive parts inside Darth Vader's helmet.

    -S

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  28. filesystem research by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could be good for designing new filesystems for example to maximize throughput or minimize seeks. It's hard to get an overall feeling for how much work each design choice causes for the drive itself, especially with factors like automatically remapped dead sectors.

    1. Re:filesystem research by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Informative

      No serious file system developer would monitor drive activity by peering through its window. They would most likely perform logging at the device driver level on events like head movement and read or write operations. These logs can then be subject to statistical analysis that would actually tell them about improvements or regressions.

  29. So the next step is... by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that seeing the spinning disk is easy, how long before they start putting visible (but magnetically transparent) images like this on them?

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  30. Re:What's next? by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Funny
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  31. Re:Why would it be silly? by masklinn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In this case, not only dies the drive cost more indeed (compared to the regular version), but the MTBF is halved or something...

    And it's not even like you can really take a look at your drive when it's screwed in it's cage...

    Bah, I guess that if that one works the next move they'll do is sell hard drives with leds inside the drive...

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  32. Re:Why would it be silly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whoosh.

  33. Re:Why would it be silly? by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't Beings a "Modder" actually require that you modify something? I really have respect for people who do the work themselves and make their case look really good. But for those who just spend a lot of money putting together stock parts, well, I don't think they should really be called modders.

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  34. Re:Why would it be silly? by demonbug · · Score: 3, Funny
    Bah, I guess that if that one works the next move they'll do is sell hard drives with leds inside the drive...


    Rumor has it they developed a DVD writer with a window, but nobody has seen it (twice).