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ZDNet on the Essence of Geek

sebFlyte writes "ZDNet has a feature on The Essence of Geek, which looks at the rise of the geek (and the fact that everyone's turning into one), in the years post .com boom." From the article: "For a few years, an interest in computers and technology became inextricable linked with wealth and power -- geek became chic. Technology companies suddenly became the focus of the kind of attention that had been reserved for the music or fashion industries. In the UK TV makers even went so far as to create a hip series, Attachments, based around the antics of a tech start-up."

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  1. It takes more than that by MoxCamel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    and the fact that everyone's turning into [a geek]...

    Um...no. Owning an iPod and knowing how to use it doesn't make you a geek. Knowing how to use your Windows smartphone doesn't make you a geek. Discussing mobile phone design doesn't make you a geek, because from tfa, I don't think they were talking about protocols or other engineering aspects. Even knowing how to synchronize your email with your smartphone doesn't make you a geek. It makes you a slave, but not a geek.

    Knowing how to use technical things in the prescribed manner does not make you a geek, any more than knowing the exits on an airplane makes you a flight attendent. Knowing how to use technical things in ways they were never meant to be used makes you a geek. (and this is only one small definition "geekiness.")

    Saying that "we're all geeks" is like saying "everyone is special, just like you."

    Mox

    1. Re:It takes more than that by D-Cypell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Nerds are people that are fascinated by technology. Geeks are people that are fascinated by technology, but know what to do with it."

      Case in point, Bill Gates is a nerd. Linus Torvalds is a geek. IMHO.


      Do me a favour! You are suggesting that Bill Gates, the guy who built a technology company that changed the entire planet and based on the success attained a personal fortune that is larger than the GDP of many countries is someone who is "fascinated by technology but doesnt know what to do with it!". I think not!

      It is time to stop trying to define the terms nerd, geek, dork etc they mean nothing. I happen to be a software professional whose hobbies are mostly related to tech too. I have been called all of these things (and more :oP), as a wise-mane once said... "I am what I am and that's all that I am!".

    2. Re:It takes more than that by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see Bill as a business man.
      He used computers as an end to a means, MONEY.

      Linus is here for the code.

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    3. Re:It takes more than that by ocbwilg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think yes. What he did/does is marketing, nothing to do with technology.

      I disagree. I think that Bill Gates, along with Paul Allen and the other early Microsofites are all geeks. The difference is that now that they're multi-millionaires and billionaires, you don't see as much of the geeking as you used to.

      If you read some of the histories of early Microsoft (or bios of Gates) I think you would be suprised. Bill dropped out of college because he was more interested in tinkering with early computers and writing software for them than getting his degree. The first company he formed with Paul Allen (Traf-o-data) was basically just the two of them building traffic monitoring computers and writing software for them, and then trying to sell them to cities for flow/congestion analysis.

      Bill himself was responsible for writing some of the early BASIC interpreters on multiple platforms in the late 70's and early 80's. They wrote CPU emulators because they couldn't get their hands on prototypes of early computing platforms but needed to write software for them. And this was the stuff that was going on when MS only had 8-10 employees.

      You might not like Bill Gates or Microsoft for what they are today, but it is absolutely ludicrous to pretend that he hasn't more than earned his chops as a geek.

  2. Everyone is a Geek. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Everyone. Everyone has that one area of passion in which they excel and have a knowledge of minutae. Be it Red Sox stats dating to 1903, the best ways to obtain and smoke drugs, or how to make a rocket- everyone is a Geek in one way shape or form. Now we're just finally realizing it.

    After all, how different is dressing up for a Star Trek Convention and a Football game? Not much...

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    1. Re:Everyone is a Geek. by trigeek · · Score: 3, Funny
      "After all, how different is dressing up for a Star Trek Convention and a Football game? Not much..."

      Spoken like a true Star Trek geek...

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    2. Re:Everyone is a Geek. by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


      how different is dressing up for a Star Trek Convention and a Football game?

      You won't get home from the convention with hot-wing sauce smeared on your face and Bud spilled down your uniform.

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    3. Re:Everyone is a Geek. by tommers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well one big difference is that the number of people in American society who dress up for Star Trek Conventions is smaller by many orders of magnitudes than the number of people who dress up for Fotoball games.

      Not everyone has passion, but more importantly the level of passion for traditional interests like baseball still has much more breadth and depth than baseball.

      I agree the geek is "more" chic, especially in certain tech-conscious areas like the valley, but I think the article and this post perceive it to be a much more significant trend than is justified by the info provided.

      And to look at it from another perspective, I think modern politics have reflected an increase in anti-intellectualism. This was most apparent in the success of the the 2004 Bush/Cheney campaign and an antagonism towards science the Intelligent Design issue seems to have espoused/surfaced. And while geeks might not value the "cultured" aspect of intellectualism, they still seem to be pro-intellectual.

    4. Re:Everyone is a Geek. by MattyDK23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everyone. Everyone has that one area of passion in which they excel and have a knowledge of minutae. Be it Red Sox stats dating to 1903...

      Shh! Do you want to be sued?

    5. Re:Everyone is a Geek. by tsaler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't have any problem with the majority of what you said in your post. The only thing I take issue with is the claim about anti-intellectualism. I'll try to clarify.

      Anti-intellectualism is, to me, a belief that those who are academics or intellectually-inclined are bad. You'll find this sometimes, I hate to say it, in a lot of blue collar communities across the country. I come from one such community, though I didn't find the sentiment to be as strong as I have seen it elsewhere.

      What I think you see from time to time, though I won't be so bold as to attach it to the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign, is a similar philosophy that says academics aren't any better than mechanics or any other group of people. This is more along the lines of what I subscribe to, and what I think people from where I grew up tend to subscribe to.

      Intellectualism is held on a pedestal by some people. If somebody says that intellectuals and academics are no better than the rest of us, that is sometimes construed as "anti-intellectualism" I think.

      To use your Intelligent Design example, some folks out there believe that evolution just isn't so. That doesn't mean that teachers can't teach it in schools, but you would be missing the other half of the story if you didn't see the heavy disdain heaped upon the religious community by the so-called intellectuals for belieiving in creationism in the first place. I'm fairly certain most Intelligent Design advocates have no problem co-existing with evolution. I believe they would argue that it's the intellectuals who refuse to co-exist with their beliefs. Whether any of that is actually true I won't begin to address here.

      I've heard people complain that they suffer from anti-intellectualism, and I've heard people make what I think you would consider "anti-intellectual" statements of their own. So I'm not coming at this from one side or the other.

      I'm more educated than the average American based on the statistics, but I dislike the superiority complex of some academics/intellectuals as much as the next guy. I don't think I'm anti-intellectual; I just think academics and intellectuals are in the same boat as the rest of us. I'm seriously opposed to the idea of philosopher-kings, and it bugs the heck out of me when professors in particular get their heads in the clouds like that from time to time.

      If you are thinking of a more specific example of anti-intellectualism within the Bush-Cheney campaign I'd be happy to address it, but I think you might be projecting general criticisms of conservatives in American politics onto a specific campaign when maybe it's not the most accurate thing in the world.

      Just my two cents.

  3. And geek is not chic. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until the high school cheerleaders start hanging out at the chess club, geek ain't chic.

    This is just about toys. Pre-packaged, nearly idiot proof, toys.

    1. Re:And geek is not chic. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Honestly I could care less about the cheerleaders. What I'm happiest about with this "geek revolution" is that suddenly...a lot of the things that used to be mocked and uncool are cool. What this does is cause a lot more um...to put it bluntly...HOT girls to hang out with geeky guys because they now share similar interests. I'm talking about things like anime...video games...MMORPGs, etc.

      And yes, I realize there are many people who are attracted to these things because they're suddenly "cool", but many stayed away from them in the past because of the stigma that was attached to them. That stigma is fast disappearing.

      So while we don't get to feel all special because we're into the things that are now mainstream, I for one welcome it. I'm excited that I get to enjoy my hobbies with a wider range of people now and not be looked at funny when I mention them.

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    2. Re:And geek is not chic. by packeteer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone may be turning into a geek but on slashdot we are still all just dorks.

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    3. Re:And geek is not chic. by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you would be suprised at how "geeks" are looked upon by your average girl, no matter what any news article or study says. notice i said your everyday normal girl, hot or not. Sure there are girls here and there that do web design, do a little gaming, and know how to do more on their computers other than IM, add to her 'myspace' and type something up in Word, but for the most part girls are right brained..fascinated by art, fashion & design, cooking, interior design and other things that fall closely into that category. I have found that most girls i talk to, chat with or come in contact with shutter in amazement or just give me the "deer in the headlights look" when the infamous question comes up.."so..what do you do for a living?" and/or "what do you like to do?" and i tell her that i am a C++ programmer and i do OpenGL programming on the side, i have a LAN at home(which leads to a whole other explanation if she is bold enough to ask) and i like playing video games. She might think its cool or even muster that to you but in the back of her mind she is thinking how much in common this guy would have with me and the answer would be about 0.05%. Ohhh he is a programmer so he must smart and he has a LAN?? huh? what a nerd.. likes playing video games? what a socialphobe..umm i want to have kids thank you...i dont want to marry a 10 year old still playing video games...this is what i think your average girl would think.. but hey i could be wrong..

  4. I'm a geek now! by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like, omg, I'm so totally a geek now! I can IM, and sync my ipod, and blog, and post myspace pix! And like, even I know that those popups are annoying!

    I am SO geek!!!!

  5. I don't know about rockstar by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still don't have my 5000 groupie girls who would spread their legs open for me en masse'....however, when I meet girls and i tell them I program they pretty much go "oh wow, you must make a lot of money" and then i snicker to myself in sadness...obviously i don't argue with them (what girl wants a poor guy) but hey :) It is, however, more accepted. I know many hot girls who love places like myspace, AIM, etc.

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    1. Re:I don't know about rockstar by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Interesting
      While I got the tone of your post, I'd like to point out that there is a distinction with the current trend of geekiness from before.

      Before, in the tech boom, people thought it was cool to be a geek because if you were good with computers, you must make a lot of money, and people don't want to work, so they want to be married to someone who makes a lot.

      Nowadays people are actually interested in what we geeks are as opposed to just our earning potential (however misinformed they may be about that).

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  6. Book of Revelations? by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    "For a few years, an interest in computers and technology became inextricable linked with wealth and power -- geek became chic"

    I'm pretty sure this is one of the signs of the apocalypse

  7. Anorak? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Funny

    unlike nerd and anorak, which still tend to be used as insults Dude, I would HATE to be called an anorak! After all, who WOULD want to be identified as "a usually pullover hooded jacket long enough to cover the hips". So insulting.

  8. Ancient Geek Mythology by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He claims that increasingly, "we're all geeks" -- even if a lot of people don't care to admit it.

    I remember when a geek was a guy who was extremely intelligent, read books, didn't dress well or had the latest fashions, never had a good haircut/hygiene, was not good at sports and never made out with girls.

    If we are all indeed 'geeks' than the word geek doesn't mean anything. Or maybe we're just all nerds trying to be geeks?

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  9. Re:"Everyone's turning into one" by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Frankly the geek bar seems to be getting lower not higher.
    I know people that just because they can us Windows think they are a "Geek". I hate the term geek I like the term hacker. If you can not create technology then you are not a hacker. If you can code, solder, or wire wrap then you are a hacker. If you can IM you are not. If you can write an IM then you are.
    It is about creation not use.

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  10. Re:Essence of Geek? by xlr8ed · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's smells like a mix of Dorito's and Mom's basement

  11. Quick recipe by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Essence of Geek:
    Serves: 1

    Ingredients:
    2 tbsp Mountain Dew: cooled to room temperature
    12 fl oz generic beer
    2 oz Cheetos: crushed to fine powder
    5 oz Bacon strips: fried till crisp
    0.5 lb butter: at room temperature
    0.5 lbs onions: ground to fine consistency
    2 nos. matured socks: preferably fermented for 3 days

    Preparation:
    Preparation Time: 5 minutes.

    Heat butter in pan until gently melting. Stir in remaining ingredients and simmer till delicious smell begins to whaffle through kitchen. Cool to room temperature, drain and apply in generous proportion.

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  12. The Geek is dead. Long live the Geek! by davidgrouchy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now the guys who picked on me are geeks too?

  13. Re:Essence of Geek? by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like a line of new cologne from Ralph Loren aimed at today's IT workers.

    Sold in compressed air duster cans

  14. Geek = wealth? by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When did wealth mean "big credit lines?"

    Most geeks I meet have negative net equity due to outrageous debt loads. Maybe it's just Chicago? It seems that every geek here thinks they can live like Sergei Brin.

    I wonder if all the common people see are (leased) BMW's, (interest-only mortgaged) 5-bedroom homes and (almost maxed out) platinum cards when they see supergeeks?

    Talk about keeping up with the Joneses.

  15. Geek-Cred by Slipgrid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um...no. Owning an iPod and knowing how to use it doesn't make you a geek. Knowing how to use your Windows smartphone doesn't make you a geek. Discussing mobile phone design doesn't make you a geek, because from tfa, I don't think they were talking about protocols or other engineering aspects. Even knowing how to synchronize your email with your smartphone doesn't make you a geek. It makes you a slave, but not a geek.

    Yeah, but some teen who wants to *fit-in* with the geeky kids, might buy these things thanking it helps. It's like when you were in high school, and saw that guy walking about with a tie dye Dead shirt on. He wasn't a hippy, and likly never found a Dead song that he liked, and never when to the show, but he did buy a tie dye shirt. Very trendy.

    Now, I've got a cs degree, and I know I geek my friends out with blab that they don't care about, but I don't own an iPod because of the DRM issues. Some people might say that someone who won't buy an iPod because of the DRM issues is a bigger geek than someone who owns them. However, the article is making a point. It does't matter if these people have any geek-cred. It's obvious that they want that geek-cred, just like the dude with the tie dye shirt.

  16. Using technology vs. controlling it by lawaetf1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No doubt the term "geek" has been coopted by the media to describe, basically, the digerati generation. But I have to agree with my fellow /.ers... using your ipod and knowing how to upload photos from your cell phone does not make you a geek.

    Geek's don't just use technology, they understand how it is put together and desire to change or "hack" it for their own purposes. A geek molds technology to suit him, a regular schmoe makes do with what has been handed his way by 3com, intel, microsoft, etc, etc.
    That is the difference.

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  17. Glorious Geek Revolution by tokki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We are in the midst of the Glorius Geek Revolution. Sure, high school sucks for geeks. It sucked for me, and it still sucks for most geeks today, but the life after high school has dramtically changed for the geek, for the better.

    A lot of the rags to riches stories involves geeks. South Park's creators, Family Guy's creator, Matt Groenig, Woz and Steve Jobs.

    We live better lives than our geek forefathers. A smart, industrious geek these days often earns a better living and lifestyle than our jock counterpart.

    Society is getting geekier. Take cops shows. They used to be buddy films, the cool guys with street smarts driving cool cars in chase scenes. Now the top cop show is CSI. Geeks with badges, walking around with black lights, analyzing semen. NCIS, Law and Order, The West Wing, Adult Swim... culture has definately taken a turn for the geekier end of the spectrum.

    Nerd girls are doing well as well. I read somewhere that SNL producers were worried about Tina Fey in glasses, but it turns out it totally works, and she has tremendous appeal and talent.

    Of course, as we start having kids and they grow up, maybe they'll be jocks, and maybe they'll be teased unmercifully by the geeks.

  18. Not what a geek is... by RobinH · · Score: 3, Funny

    A geek isn't someone who knows how to use an iPod. A geek is someone who has all their Ogg Vorbis's on their bluetooth enabled PDA along with playlists, and he can walk from his house to his car to his cubicle without a skip in the beat because it seamlessly transfers between his home stereo, built in speakers in the PDA, his car stereo, and his computer's speakers at the office.

    Extra points for writing a new compression algorithm to store more songs on the PDA. Bonus if you have neon lights under your car that are synchronised to the music.

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  19. Re:What makes a geek by Syberghost · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, get outta here, you geeks!