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The World's Fastest Image Processor

Roland Piquepaille writes "This image processor is not your typical digital camera. It took 6 years, 20 people, and $6 million to build the 'Regional Calorimeter Trigger' (RCT) which will be a component of the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment, one of the detectors on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva, Switzerland. The RCT will fill several racks of space in order to process 4 trillion bits of information per second while analyzing a billion proton collisions per second. The camera is currently being tested at the University of Wisconsin at Madison before being shipped to Geneva in June to participate in the first experiments in 2007."

156 comments

  1. okay, so it takes great pictures! by yagu · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about the call quality?, and text-messaging? And what is the area coverage? What kinds of plans are available?

    Does it play mp3s?

    Can I take videos with it and send to my friends?

    1. Re:okay, so it takes great pictures! by RManning · · Score: 1, Funny

      Does it play mp3s?

      If it doesn't play Ogg Vorbis, I don't want it!

    2. Re:okay, so it takes great pictures! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the ringtones!

    3. Re:okay, so it takes great pictures! by nairb774 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it handles 4*10^12 bits a second. And there are 40*10^6 collisions a second. So (4*10^12*bits*s^-1)/(40*10^6*collisions*s^-1)=100, 000 bits per collision. Comparitivly to a regular digital camera this is nothing but then again it is processing so much information per second. I wonder how this compares to STAR at RHIC at Brookhaven National Labs. I did research into the Rho-Muon at STAR last school year. intresting to see the advancements in computing technology.

      nairb774

    4. Re:okay, so it takes great pictures! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely what you really want to know is "Can it run Linux yet?" !

  2. The Whoda Whata by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...to build the 'Regional Calorimeter Trigger' (RCT) which will be a component of the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment, one of the detectors on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva, Switzerland
    Ah, the RCT for the CMS on the LHC in CH. Why didn't you just say that.

    I still have no idea what a RCT, CMS, or LHC really are and I RTFA.
    1. Re:The Whoda Whata by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You BMTI, you SOB! WTF? I should KYA with my RBB so that I CCTTAMO and LAYM, YBM. IHURIH YSSOAJ! ASDLKAS MASOKF AKASL! ASDFGHHJK:L ABCDEFGH!!!1 On that note, you know something is related to the Large Hadron Colldier when everything is shortened and condensed. I saw a bunch of 3 letter shortcuts and figured it would be.

    2. Re:The Whoda Whata by Caspian · · Score: 1

      o/~ LBJ took the IRT down to 4th Street USA. When he got there, what did he see? The youth of America on L...S...D! o/~

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    3. Re:The Whoda Whata by Hackeron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      CMS is a Content Management System liks PHPnuke or Plone, or Tikiwiki. In laymen's terms it is basically a dynamic webpage that can be setup from scratch in minutes that multiple people can manipulate.

    4. Re:The Whoda Whata by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah, the RCT for the CMS on the LHC in CH. Why didn't you just say that.

      IANAPhysicist, but I work in proximity to them. So I know a little bit about this stuff.

      RCT = A device that detects a particle after a collision happens in a particle accelerator, which "triggers" to the connected computer that something interesting happened.
      CMS = Name of the experiment. Like NASA is the name of an organization.
      LHC = A big particle collider being built at CERN, in Switzerland. Like Fermilab, but bigger.

      Physicists are smart folk, but are hideous at PR. Most of the web pages intended to be a PR front fail miserably, and are indecipherable to anyone except physicists. There was even a movement a few years back to get physicsts to name their experiments in more public-friendly ways, which failed miserably.

    5. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was even a movement a few years back to get physicsts to name their experiments in more public-friendly ways, which failed miserably.

      Ah yes, the PFENM, I remember it well.
    6. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god. You're just introducing more acronyms. NASA? CERN? WTF?

      g2g.

    7. Re:The Whoda Whata by Prendeghast · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I did my experimental particle physics PhD on an experiment named BaBar, you know, like the elephant. Are you telling me that isn't public-friendly?

      A similar experiment based in Japan is called Belle and one in upstate NY called CLEO. One of the other experiments at the LHC is called ATLAS. They all seem reasonably public-friendly names (but then I am one of the folks you are saying don't know what a public-freindly name is, so I suppose my views are irrelevant).

      As to the PR, it's pretty hard to make particle physics accessible to other physicists, let alone the general public. The essence of the question that BaBar and Belle were trying to answer is "Is CP violated in strong interactions?". It generally takes several years of university physics just to understand the question. The most "successful" PR projects never even seem to get to the crux of the project.

      Incidentally, the answer is "yes, maximally". Your tax dollars at work!

    8. Re:The Whoda Whata by drauh · · Score: 1

      the reason CLEO was named thus is because it is penetrated by CESR. so i heard, anyway.

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    9. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CP violation isn't that hard to explain in cocktail party terms so long as you believe CPT is a good symmetry. If you want to do the math then that's a different kettle of fish.

      As far as the naming of experiments goes -- I agree that names don't help much though I suppose BaBar is better than Exxxx at FNAL.

    10. Re:The Whoda Whata by tfb · · Score: 1
      Physicists are smart folk, but are hideous at PR. Most of the web pages intended to be a PR front fail miserably, and are indecipherable to anyone except physicists. There was even a movement a few years back to get physicsts to name their experiments in more public-friendly ways, which failed miserably.

      We figure that after inventing the web we don't really need any more PR. Better to lie low for a while after a mistake that big.
    11. Re:The Whoda Whata by Coppit · · Score: 1

      I knew it. Reading the articles on Slashdot is useless after all!

    12. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was even a movement a few years back to get physicsts to name their experiments in more public-friendly ways, which failed miserably.

      Let me guess, they were arguing over how the theory of physicist PR movement should incorporate into general relativity, and couldn't reach a consensus?

      Er.

    13. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Is CP violated in strong interactions?"

      What is CP?

    14. Re:The Whoda Whata by gaijinsr · · Score: 1

      "Is CP violated in strong interactions?"
      I do not mean to split hairs, but although CP is certainly strongly violated in B decays, it is the weak interaction that violates it, not the strong interaction. QCD is CP conserving (even individually). But then again, since you are an experimentalist ... ;-) (I worked as a phenomenologist at Belle.)

    15. Re:The Whoda Whata by gaijinsr · · Score: 1

      It is the combined operation of charge conjugation ("C", basically you replace all particles with their antiparticles) and parity ("P", basically looking at everything through a mirror). Electromagnetism, for example, is CP invariant, you cannot tell whether you are looking at a movie of an electron flying left or at a movie of a positron flying right that was put into the projector the wrong way around (simply speaking). For a long time it was believed, that all of physics should be CP invariant/conserving, it was quite a thing when in the '60s people found out that CP could be violated. Belle and BaBar showed this CP violation for the first time outside the Kaon system (where it was found in the '60s).

    16. Re:The Whoda Whata by jmtpi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm a current BaBarian, so let me try to fix this up a bit....
      The essence of the question that BaBar and Belle were trying to answer is "Is CP violated in strong interactions?".
      Not quite. We are investigating CP violation in the weak interaction. CP is conserved in the strong interaction.
      It generally takes several years of university physics just to understand the question.
      I hope not. In one paragraph: There is matter and there is antimatter. Astronomers tell us that the universe is completely made of matter. Particle physicists have a very well tested theory (The Standard Model) predicting how matter and antimatter behave. Using this theory, we predict that there should have been about the same amount of antimatter as matter made in the Big Bang, leading to a whole lot of nothing (i.e. we wouldn't exist). This is a bad contradiction, so we want to see whether the Standard Model's predictions about differences between matter and antimatter (CP violation) hold up.
      Incidentally, the answer is "yes, maximally".
      Although C and P individually are maximally violated by the weak interaction, the combination CP is nearly conserved. And the CP violation we measure at BaBar and Belle is exactly what is predicted by The Standard Model (i.e. not enough to explain the matter-dominated universe). So we continue to search for new sources of CP violation, because something doesn't add up.
    17. Re:The Whoda Whata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could call the experiments Donald Duck but it wouldn't make them public friendly just because of that.
      You have to say whatee in the hell are the experiments about.

    18. Re:The Whoda Whata by Prendeghast · · Score: 1

      That's not splitting hairs, that is correcting my appalling error :) And yes, that is why I am experimentalist (actually it is worse than that - I write real-time software for DAQ systems).

    19. Re:The Whoda Whata by Prendeghast · · Score: 1

      "Is CP violated in strong interactions?".

      That's a pretty embarassing error right there! You ever have a moment when someone asks you what your favorite colour is and you think "blue" but you say yellow? That's the same kind of embarassing!

      I am never convinced that this standard explanation really satisfies the layman, I always get the feeling that it is short enough to not be boring, but long enough for them to think "I have no idea what he is talking about, but if I smile, say 'oh, right!' and nod when he is done, then we can start talking about house prices in the Bay Area." Maybe people are always thinking that when I talk:)

      However, my assertion of "several years of university physics" was an exaggeration. My father-in-law came away from the one hour public lecture Steve Sekula gave at SLAC last year and seemed happy that he knew what we were doing at SLAC. Don't know that the talk would condense down to a good web page, though.

      "Although C and P individually are maximally violated by the weak interaction, the combination CP is nearly conserved"

      This error, however, was not the result of a temporary brain aberation. I probably should be embarrased that I did not know this, but then the only time I really paid any attention to the central analyses of BaBar was whilst writing the general chapters of my thesis. I spent a year or so looking for radiative pengiun decays (didn't find any), but most of my BaBar time was spent in IR-2 greasing the wheels of the dataflow system. Hope neither of my PhD examiners read /., they might want my degree certificate back:-/

    20. Re:The Whoda Whata by nmpeglit · · Score: 1

      My favourite is ALICE. Straight down to the
      rabbit hole.

      Cheers!

      Nick.

  3. Runs under Ninnle of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing else could process as quickly as Ninnle Linux.

  4. Ten years later... by hotarugari · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now everyone can take the very same "pictures" using their computers at home as long as they have double the 5 terabytes of ram needed to run Windows 2k15.

    1. Re:Ten years later... by fantom2000 · · Score: 1

      welcome to 2006.

  5. That's just amazing by Doener · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Nothing more to say here.

  6. obligatory comments by slackaddict · · Score: 3, Funny

    man, imagine a cluster of these.. er, actually, imagine the pr0n you could create!!! w00t! seriously, they could recover the cost of their r&d by using this to post some super high-quality shots of paris hilton! :-)

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    1. Re:obligatory comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what "super high quality" photos of Paris Hilton will reveal? Some things are best left undisturbed.

    2. Re:obligatory comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not much more than already has been?

    3. Re:obligatory comments by Crilen007 · · Score: 0

      The sad part is, it's true.

    4. Re:obligatory comments by NewKimAll · · Score: 1

      With the processing power that thing has, you could create your own pr0n from scratch. Nevermind taking Paris Hilton's picture, just input her dimensions and make her do whatever you want.

      Actually, now that I think about it, that kinda worries me. I wonder how long it will take before 100% CGI pr0n is created. I shudder to think of the ugliness you could produce with such a thing, such as CGI kiddie pr0n.

      Imagine explaining that to a judge. "No your honor, these are CGI images. All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
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    5. Re:obligatory comments by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoa! You can actually see the individual diseases!

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    6. Re:obligatory comments by gizmonic · · Score: 1

      they could recover the cost of their r&d by using this to post some super high-quality shots of paris hilton!

      Really? I've never seen a THIN angle lens before.... With this resolution though, you might actually get all 8 pixels of her, so hmm...

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    7. Re:obligatory comments by distributed · · Score: 1

      The only kinda pr0n u can get from this is subatomic pr0n... protons, electrons, neutrons (my knowledge of subatomics ends here) randomly crashing into each other (or mebbe not) and the creation of a few queer quarks ...ok bad joke.

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  7. 20 people to develop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    something that can tell if the guy in the picture has a hard... oh, it said hadron..nm

    1. Re:20 people to develop by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 0

      Holy shit dude.. thats not a guy.....

      *flap*flap*flap*

  8. designed and tested in mad town, eh? by swschrad · · Score: 1, Funny

    the liquid cooled sensors will, no doubt, be cooled in beer, then.

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    1. Re:designed and tested in mad town, eh? by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Who will drink all that warm beer? Sick.

    2. Re:designed and tested in mad town, eh? by lordsid · · Score: 0

      Warm beer? in Wisconsin? that's like having sex with your sister. (which is bad) /from mad town

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  9. cheesy article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Particle physicists have been building logic into triggers for 35 or 40 years. As a point of reference the first Nobel out of the AGS at BNL was in the 60's and triggering in the chambers is what made it happen. This is no more radical and innovative than AMD introducing the Opteron was for the processor industry. Sure it's neat, sure it's state of the art, sure it's challenging. It's not radical, nor stunningly innovative and it's not a freakin' camera. Look at the article -- it's a glorified press release from Madison .

  10. It took 6 years by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Funny
    "It took 6 years..."

    so it runs pentium 2s?

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    1. Re:It took 6 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope - they have custom designed ASICs, state of the art stuff like that. They have to process events (and the accompanying torrent of data) at rates much higher than any CPU can dream of.

  11. This is not the case in glorious Nippon! by Y-Crate · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm sure you'll be able to find it integrated into a cell phone and on the racks of Akihabra in about 6 months, where it will then be end-of-lifed in about a week, and replaced with a better model.

    1. Re:This is not the case in glorious Nippon! by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      Ya know, sometimes I get the impression that posters on Slashdot are a bit too cynical for their own good. ;-)

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    2. Re:This is not the case in glorious Nippon! by CynicalGuy · · Score: 1

      Ya know, sometimes I get the impression that posters on Slashdot are a bit too cynical for their own good. ;-)

      you're right.. this site sucks anymore..

    3. Re:This is not the case in glorious Nippon! by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      Yes. I blame the yoofs of today.

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  12. How about some more hardware details? by theGreater · · Score: 5, Informative
  13. Say Bye Bye Little Blue Planet by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Higgs-Boson "is one of the last particles we need to complete the standard model of physics," says Klabbers of the well-established model physicists use to explain the behaviors and properties of the smallest units of matter. Scientists have been seeking definitive evidence of the Higgs-Boson for 20 years.

    Discovering the mass of the Higgs-Boson will, of course, shrink the Earth to the size of a pea, which is the fate of most type 13 planets.

    1. Re:Say Bye Bye Little Blue Planet by Whiteox · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome the Higgs-Boson overlords or any Boson overlord for that matter.

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  14. not so great by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny


    What they don't tell you is that because it's based on ImageMagick, it will still barf on certain malformed JFIF header blocks.

    1. Re:not so great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And forget about sharpening the picture afterwards! What the frac is that sharpening business in ImageMagick anyway?

      I want to sharpen 20 fracin percent, ok? 20 _PERCENT_ , not some delta or omega distance from something or other!

  15. Hadrons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The what? Large *WHAT* colliding??

    Oh... sorry, carry on.

  16. Everyone say "cheese"! by Ithika · · Score: 3, Funny

    It won't stop the top of someone's head from being outside the shot though. Or the other one, the "pot-plant on head" effect.

  17. If this is the Compact Muon Experiment by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Funny

    How big is the SUV version going to be? There won't be enough room in Switzerland for it.

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  18. WTF? by Retric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just hope it can do math...

    "all that energy is compressed into two protons, which are a million times smaller than that annoying bug[Mosquito].

    Hmm, (2/(6.02*10^23grams))/(0.002grams) = 1.66112957 × 10-21 so 2 protons weigh about 1 / (1,700,000,000,000,000,000,000)th as much as those Mosquito's which means it's volume is around that much smaller as well.

    How about length 15 mm vs (10^15 meters) = 1.5 × 10^ -17meters so umm nope.

    1. Re:WTF? by ShaneThePain · · Score: 1

      i dont think you should account for the neutrons, we are talking only about protons... did you do that? err. im confused.

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    2. Re:WTF? by pinopino · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your calculation is only correct if the bug is the same density as thee mosquito. Fortunately, matter made up of atoms is mostly empty space. Atom size is roughly an Angstrom (10^-10 m), proton size is roughly a Fermi (10^-15 m), so volume (and hence density, since electrons are light) difference is about (10^5)^3 or 10^15, fixing your factor, roughly. Really what is meant by 'area' of the proton is the center of mass cross-section for the proton-proton collision.
      A mosquito with nuclear density would be a heavy bug indeed. And yes, IAAPhysicist.

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  19. great by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

    but how many megapixels is it?

  20. Can it... by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

    Very pretty... but does it run Vista?

    -5, Lame joke adaptation

  21. Or just increase storage by Cybert14 · · Score: 1

    It's culling a billion into 50,000. If storage technologies advance enough, you just record everything and sort it out later.

    1. Re:Or just increase storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Call it a 10^4 reduction. Say you could write the data to tape. You still have to read back 10^4 times as much data to find the "interesting" stuff. It's not just I/O that's a killer, pattern rec and kinematic recon are not free. Sure you could implement the hardware solution in software as a zeroth order data filter -- and then you'll never analyze the data anyway. Rule 1) never take data you are not willing to analyze. As for that notion that maybe you'll take the data and analyze it in the future -- do you hear of people analyzing bubble chamber film from the 50's and 60's these days? Hint: no data set has ever been exhaustively mined before the itch to acquire more/newer/better data strikes. Moreover, DOE/NSF will fund new experiments but not spend a dime to support continued analysis of old data.

    2. Re:Or just increase storage by 47F0 · · Score: 1

      OK, I'm late on this one, but I gotta post anyway.

      There's a fundamental problem with "filtering" the data. Invariably, the filter is biased towards "what we expect". I have some examples.

      Seismologists (of the petroleum variety) used to record data in the field using so-called notch-pass frequency filters. If they didn't see anything interesting after a few "shots", they packed up their explosives and moved down the road. But the field got interesting when they began, in the early 60's, recording "wide open" and letting computers filter the data. They were still filtering that data for "what we expect" - but in the face of new knowledge, "interesting" data was often found in old unfiltered datasets - sometimes much after the fact.

      How many "interesting" astronomical objects have been discovered/confirmed by looking at old, unfiltered images?

      Even new fossil finds have been made - not in the field, but by reviewing old fossils archived in museum basements.

      Is planet Earth being bombarded by strangelets? We don't know. Earthquake detection software now filters these events out as "anomolous". But older, unfiltered data sure looks interesting.

      Science, almost by definition, often happens where we don't expect it - sometimes it happens where we least expect it. We filter and discard data with all-too-human bias - often, to our loss.

      Sometimes, the choice between grep and grep -v is a poor choice.

    3. Re:Or just increase storage by Fafnir_b · · Score: 1

      There's a fundamental problem with "filtering" the data. Invariably, the filter is biased towards "what we expect".

      That's why we always have a random trigger. I don't know the actual ratio, but it's probably about one event in a thousand (triggered ones) that has not been selected because of a "physics trigger", but randomly.

  22. Testing at UW/Madison? by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Funny

    You *know* that the first picture is going to be some grad student's ass.

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    1. Re:Testing at UW/Madison? by alta · · Score: 2, Funny

      What they don't tell you is that the zoom level is fixed at 10000000000000x, so it'll actually be an ass particle.

      They may even get a few asses to collied together and take a pic of whatever that is. It'll be like 1 trillian bits of assyness, but asses move so slow compared to how this thing is designed, that each picture will be identical.

      oh well.

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    2. Re:Testing at UW/Madison? by Freaek · · Score: 1

      so they're just going to get a picture of his freckle?

    3. Re:Testing at UW/Madison? by bk4u · · Score: 1

      As a student of UW Madison, I can assure you, it has already been done. Just another title to add, #1 party school and most impressive picture of someone's ass.

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  23. Collision Revision by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    The RCT will fill several racks of space in order to process 4 trillion bits of information per second while analyzing a billion proton collisions per second.

    Maybe from the observations made by this device we can find a way to make an Ideal Machine.

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  24. a billion protons by trb · · Score: 5, Funny
    So I read the slashdot lead, and it says it analyzes a billion proton collisions per second. So I thought, how much stuff is that? I rtfa and it says:
    In the LHC, each pair of colliding protons flying around the collider crashes with the energy of about 14 buzzing mosquitoes -- but all that energy is compressed into two protons, which are a million times smaller than that annoying bug.
    So we know that a proton is a million times smaller than a mosquito (or half a mosquito?). So a billion protons is equivalent to, uh, a thousand mosquitos. I tried: http://www.google.com/search?q=1000+mosquitos+to+g rams to no avail. Foo on Google calculator. But google search points at pages that mostly claim that a mosquito weighs 2mg or so, so a billion protons (1E9) should weigh 2 grams.

    But I thought that a mole of protons (6E23 protons) weighed 1 gram. So common knowledge and this article are off by several (14?) orders of magnitude. Hmmm. Or are they the same size but very different in mass?

    Or when the author said "a million times smaller," maybe she/he intended "a jillion times smaller."

    1. Re:a billion protons by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they were measuring POUSes - Protons Of Unusual Smallness. Maybe?

      Or a better explanation probably comes from the article editor - "The average Joe can't comprehend something smaller than a mosquito, or a number larger than a million, so substitute those ..."

    2. Re:a billion protons by Ezku · · Score: 1

      Yes, TFA is indeed quite ambiguous on its numbers.

      The RCT will fill several racks of space in order to process 4 trillion bits of information per second

      Could I get that in Libraries of Congress per fortnight?

    3. Re:a billion protons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      with the energy of about 14 buzzing mosquitoes -- but all that energy is compressed into two protons, which are a million times smaller than that annoying bug.

      "The power resulting from these collisions is 11,000 watts,"

      A buzzing mosquito should therefore be about 780W! I need to harness a few of this to power my car. Who needs horsepower (735W) when mosquitopower are more powerful.
    4. Re:a billion protons by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      14 orders of magnitude? Pretty close to the national debt, so it's not a big deal. What are you complaining about? Close enough.

    5. Re:a billion protons by the_brobdingnagian · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article talks about energy not mass. I think they mean with the kinetic energy of 14 mosquitoes. I dont know the speed of the protons colliding, but with special relativistic effects in your calculations a factor of two times as much energy seems a bit low. The mass of a particle increases with its velocity. You wont notice it untill you get close to c, but these protons get close to c. The only particles I can think of who have more kinetic energy are some cosmic ray particles. Take it from me when I say the LHC can accellerate particles with huge amount of kinetic energy.

    6. Re:a billion protons by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 2, Funny
      Could I get that in Libraries of Congress per fortnight?
      Yes. Yes, you can. Four terabits per second is about 1.2 exabits per fortnight. There are about 10 terabytes, or 80 terabits in the Library of Congress. So do the math, and you get about 16,000 LoC/ftnt.

      Anyone else remember the thread in which the thrust generated by the space shuttle's rocket boosters was measured in (burning) Libraries of Congress?

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    7. Re:a billion protons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe no one explained this.

      It's a special relativity thing. Stuff gets heavier as it gets near the speed of light. Your 6e23 protons = 1 gram refers to stationary protons, these LHC ones have been accelerated and are heavier.

      I could throw some equations at you and explain in detail, but I'm not wearing any pants so I have other priorities.

    8. Re:a billion protons by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 1

      Found it; thank you SeanTobin. One gram of antimatter is equivalent to 23 space shuttle fuel tanks, which is apparently equivalent to 0.032 burning Libraries of Congress.

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    9. Re:a billion protons by daverabbitz · · Score: 1

      > "The power resulting from these collisions is 11,000 watts,"
      >A buzzing mosquito should therefore be about 780W! I need to harness a few of this to power my car. Who needs horsepower (735W) when >mosquitopower are more powerful.
      Energy!=Power
      Power=Energy/Time
      Energy=Power*Time

      The time taken for the collision is almost an instant. Not sure what the Energy of a "buzzing mosquito" (WTF kind of unit is that?) is.
      Certainly if you had an endless supply of "buzzing mosquito's"(lol), you could run your car on them (of course the weight cost would probably be unbearable).

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    10. Re:a billion protons by dghcasp · · Score: 1
      Considering most people don't know of any numbers larger than a million, and the U.S. and U.K. can't even agree how big a billion is, I think they were just simplifying for the masses. Most press releases are quite { funny , embarassing } to people who actually understand what they're talking about.

      And, in a wonderful "pot-kettle-black" moment, you say TFEstimate is off by about 14 orders of magnitude...

      For those of us who studied maths to get degrees in computers, there's really only about a half dozen orders of magnitude; for example O(1), O(log n), O(n), O(n log n), O(n ^ k), O(2 ^ log(n)), O(2 ^ n), and O(2 ^ n ^ n ^ n ^ ...(n times)).

      Ackermann's function is somewhere in the next order of magnitude above the last one there... Some theorize that the halting problem and other uncomputable problems are bounded by the next order of magnitude beyond that.

      And we'd need to go another four orders of magnitude to get your "14 orders of magnitude" , even though we exausted the number of atoms in the universe before we even got here.

      IOW, just making the point that different readers read different things in the same words.

    11. Re:a billion protons by MechaStreisand · · Score: 1

      In what system is an order of magnitude defined to be a distinct big-O expression? I took those same maths, and nowhere did they call them orders of magnitude, although we certainly referred to the same expressions. Everything I've ever read and heard has defined an order of magnitude to be a single factor of ten. I invite you to check out this page at Wikipedia (and no, I didn't just edit it now to support what I'm saying).

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    12. Re:a billion protons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comparison is referring to energy, not mass. Still, it doesn't sound like that estimate was meant to be precise, so getting all pedantic about it doesn't make any sense.

  25. NASA-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a lot of TLA's

  26. Oh dear! by scdeimos · · Score: 2

    At around $20,000 a board, I really hope that one being held in TFA's photo was dead already.

  27. Super Bowl Reviews by wardk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect the Seahawks get an extra touchdown, and the Steelers lose a touchdown if this was in place last sunday.

    1. Re:Super Bowl Reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cameras in the game worked fine, but it didn't matter since the refs weren't looking at them.

    2. Re:Super Bowl Reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect the Seahawks get an extra touchdown, and the Steelers lose a touchdown if this was in place last sunday.

      you MUST be new here!

  28. Don't forget the "anti-red-eye" feature! by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nobody wants to put up a picture of a hundred billion proton collisions with glowing red eyes with their screen saver.

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    1. Re:Don't forget the "anti-red-eye" feature! by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

      well...some people do. :D You can easily make the live feed of CDF and D0 from fermilab's tevatron into a simple screensaver. In fact, I rather like mine. :) Sometimes they shut down the feed and just keep cycling the last few frames but that's ok.

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    2. Re:Don't forget the "anti-red-eye" feature! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Can anybody tell me, why they use THIS date when you click on the images for zoom?

      Wed Feb 8 18:32:34 2008

      2008?? 32?? My date output right now is:

      Thu Feb 9 10:18:30 CET 2006

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    3. Re:Don't forget the "anti-red-eye" feature! by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1

      That's pretty cool, thanks for the link!

      Yeah, as soon as I hit I had the thought that there were probably plenty of people who'd prefer their photo subjects to have glowing red (or green, etc.) eyes... though the only ones that come to mind immediately are the Weekly World News.

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  29. Could have been in America by SethJohnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While this camera was developed at the university of Wisconsin, it will be installed at a facility in Geneva, Switzerland.

    We had the opportunity to deploy this in America.

    The Super Conducting Supercollider project in Waxahachie, TX was a federal basic science research project that lost its funding and was dismantled in 1993. The tunnel was dug. All the technological hurdles seemed to be jumpable. But the American people were less than interested in funding stuff that wasn't directly translatable into tastier hamburgers or cooler cars. The Democrat-led congress cancelled the $2 billion budget and America resigned itself to let other countries lead in this field.

    I only mention the 'democrat-led' congress because I do not believe they have earned the slurr of 'tax-and-spend-liberals'. This is one example why.

    1. Re:Could have been in America by OverkillTASF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interestingly, one of the biggest unforeseen hurdles for this project was the fire ants....

      If you live in Texas, you know why.

    2. Re:Could have been in America by bpd1069 · · Score: 1

      If memory serves correctly, which is a big if for me, the Reagan Administration (2nd) threw water on the project and it went down hill from there...

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    3. Re:Could have been in America by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, one of the biggest unforeseen hurdles for this project was the fire ants....

      Ah, that's a bunch of hooey. I live in Dallas and spent every spring since '78 in Waxahachie. You get beyond the fire ants once you dig bellow 6'. The SSC tunnels went considerably deeper than that.

      And besides, there's one thing I learned from my misspent youth: want to get rid of a fire ant mound? One gallon of gas and a match do the trick right nice. :)

  30. that's where the europeans will come in by swschrad · · Score: 1

    it's well known that britons drink warm beer because their refrigerators are made by lucal electric.

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    1. Re:that's where the europeans will come in by rufty_tufty · · Score: 1

      No we drink warm beer because our beer has taste and don't need to chill it to hide the taste of the crap chemicals/cheap ingredients most other brews these days have.

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  31. Obligatory by CookieJago74 · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowolf cluster of these things...

    1. Re:Obligatory by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

      "Pamela Klabbers, an associate scientist in the Department of Physics, holds a large parallel processing computer card, one of 300 such cards to be mounted into 18 crates to collectively create a massive image processor"

      It IS a cluster of 300 CPU boards.... ... But will it run Linux <g>

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  32. nice by jaimz22 · · Score: 1

    i saw one of these at radio shack last week, it was returned and sitting between the ipods and xmods

  33. holy crap by Soviet+Assassin · · Score: 1
    i live right next to it!!!!

    just thought the /. crowd should know that. feel my uber l33tness now

    B-)

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    1. Re:holy crap by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Jürgen, is that you?
      We have some pictures of your girlfriend we'd like to show you. It'll cost.

  34. Does it include pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cuz it works out to 50000$ a year. That's just about average in Montreal for a college degree.

  35. VR Porn is finally here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just imagine what you could make with this baby... I mean, um...

  36. Not the fastest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 800mhz iMac is nearly 30% faster than this processor on a hand picked benchmarking suite of photoshop filters.

    It's all a myth!

  37. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  38. Damn by eno2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I bet that thing would really make Halo feel realistic... ;P

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  39. Wonder if Best Buy will be Selling by the Summer? by bling..bling · · Score: 1

    With the PMA (the big US camera convention) just around the corner (17 days) if they plan to announce availablity there. Would be really great if I could pick this up at Best Buy by summer time... I also assume that it's got a good macro lens on it.

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  40. eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm currently working on a similar project at Fermilab. The eXtremely Fast Tracker (XFT) is a set of electronics which decides, once every 396 nanoseconds, whether or not the particle tracks that we see represent an interesting event that we want to keep, or a boring one that we don't want to bother putting on disk (well, actually tape). We are in the process of upgrading it, because the collision rate has been increasing (technically, the luminosity has been increasing), and the old XFT is not up to handling the now much higher track density. My job is writing software to test the system as it is installed.

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    wait... not that kind of sig.
    1. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      Here's something I have always wondered about. Doesn't the detector device (ie., CDF) eventually become so radioactive from being that close to the collision point that you just end up seeing particles flying everywhere from both the collision decay and the detector itself? It must get so messy how do you tell the difference!!? Also, when is the tevatron being shut down?

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    2. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... The radioactivity generally does not pose a serious problem... I think that when we do cause parts of the detector to become radioactive (eg by beam scraping) that it dissipates fairly quickly. It is intense while it lasts, but brief. However, I am not an expert on this. Also, it is generally not too difficult, at least in the tracking chambers, to tell whether a particle originated at the collision vertex or somewhere else. Now, in the calorimeters and the muon chambers, you could get spurious bits of energy deposited and not know whether it was from cosmic rays, local radioactivity, or interesting particles.

      The tevatron gets shut down quite often. We had a long (2-week or so) shutdown a couple of weeks ago. Some o-ring seal got old and leaked, and so an access had to be made to repair it. Thing is, large parts of the tevatron are kept at liquid helium temp (for superconductivity) during running, and so warming the thing up and then later cooling it back down are often the longest parts of a shutdown.

      And of course, the tevatron and supporting accelerators go through a regular cycle of building up a store of protons and antiprotons, and then using them until the luminosity gets too low to be worthwhile to keep running it. Then, we kick that bunch of ps and pbars off (basically redirect them into a large chunk of metal, I believe) (this is called a quench), and start a new store.

      You can look at this page: http://www-bd.fnal.gov/notifyservlet/www?project=o utside for live information, or at this page: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/news06/update.html for a log of recent activity.

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    3. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      interesting. I guess by shutdown, I meant..... "the big shutdown".... :( which must be coming down the pike pretty soon I'd imagine. Oh also one more if you please! Can you enter the tunnel AT ALL when the main ring is "charged" and particles are stored in it or is the synchrotron radiation too much of an issue to let people in there? I'm guessing you can't go in. (perhaps its not the synchrotron radiation that's a problem though b/c the protons are so heavy and maybe its because of random residual gas collisions with the beam? (cuz you musn't be able to get TOTAL vacuum and the beam must be SO intense and powerful....))

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    4. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nobody goes in the collision hall or tunnel when we have beam. The issue is occasional, but unpredictable, beam scraping, on collimators and such. When that occurs, for only a few nanoseconds generally, the dose (I don't recall the actual exact dose at the moment) is high enough that 50% of people receiving that radiation dose will die within 30 days. Or so I was told at radiological worker training. Speaking of which... I'll have to renew that sometime soon... garrrrr....

      Yeah, the big shutdown (weeks and weeks long)... I want to say that is coming up in March perhaps... I just woke up though, and I'm late for class, so I'm not going to look it up just now.

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    5. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      hmm no, when I said "the BIG shutdown" I mean THEE big shutdown, the final shutdown, the shutdown after which there can be no further shutdowns, the closing of the tevatron. I thought this was happening sometime soon after LHC starts up.....

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    6. Re:eXtremely Fast Tracker at Fermilab by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      No, I actually don't think that the tevatron will be shut down for a good long while after the LHC starts. I could be wrong, but there is certainly useful physics that can be done at Fermilab, even when LHC is running. I mean, there are lots of perfectly fine and useful accelerators other than tevatron currently running, DESY, SLAC, CESR, RHIC, etc.

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  41. Some basics on experimental particle physics by arthas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, I am a physicist and here is some additional information (hopefully not bad PR):

    LHC is the biggest and most powerful particle collider ever built. It is a proton-proton collider that collides proton beams together with 14 TeV (tera electronvolts) center-of-mass energy (if memory serves).

    CMS (= compact muon solenoid) is actually quite big detector. Its main purpose is to find the so called Higgs boson. The existense of the Higgs boson is required by the Standard Model of particle physics (one good book on the basics of particle physics (for people who already understand quite a bit of physics and math) is: Francis Halzen, Alan D. Martin: Quarks and Leptons: An Introductory Course in Modern Particle Physics). CMS, as most other particle physics experiments has an onion-like structure. The innermost layer is called a tracker which is used to (surprise, surprise) find the tracks of the particles produced in the collision. There is also a magnetic field in the tracker so the curvature of the particle tracks can be used to determine their momenta. The next layers are called electromagnetic and hadronic calorimeters. These are used to measure the energies of the particles. And finally there are the muon chambers that are used to detect the muons (muon is like an electron but only heavier).

    There are also other big detectors in the LHC experiment like e.g. ATLAS.

    One good source of information on particle physics are CERN summer student lectures available in Real-media format.

    1. Re:Some basics on experimental particle physics by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (hopefully not bad PR):

      You did fine. ;)

      CMS (= compact muon solenoid) is actually quite big detector. Its main purpose is to find the so called Higgs boson.

      See, that's the sort of thing I was talking about. The CMS home page doesn't describe this at ALL. It has a FAQ page.. which promptly goes into details about the construction of the detector and how big it is without ever explaining why the thing is being built. A wikipedia link at the bottom eventually explains it all, but this is a rarity in my experience. It's written for physicists, by physicists.

      Part of the problem I have as a non-physicist is that whenever I have to tell someone where I work, they immediatley want to know what the laboratory does, and why. It's difficult to explain the experiments when all you know is that they're building the biggest magnet ever.

      Eventually my explanations fail to satisfy, and 9 times of 10 the conversation ends with someone asking "and my taxes are paying for that??" Public interest in theoretical research labs is already pretty damn low, and near as I can see a lack of explanation in layman's terms only hurts it further. Most folks are willing to accept that some types of study may never result in something they can buy at the store, but I also think they'd appreciate having a way to understand why it's important anyways.

    2. Re:Some basics on experimental particle physics by arthas · · Score: 2, Informative

      You did fine. ;)

      I'm glad I was able to explain at least something clearly. Maybe there is hope for me yet...

      It indeed seems that the CMS home page is written for physicists or physics students. It basically tells nothing a non-physicist or non-engineer would like to know. This is quite sad.

      The CERN public pages seem to be more newbie-friendly.

      The purpose of these experiments and the importance of the results to our understanding of the universe is indeed important to explain... Not only because it might be good for also non-physicists to know something about these things but also because (if told correctly) it is a very intriguing and nice story, that is, very good PR! We foolish physicists are wasting an excellent tool that could be used to increase the public awareness and interest in basic research. And naturally the politicians making decisions about funding are mostly non-physicists too...

    3. Re:Some basics on experimental particle physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i found the higgs boson. it was on ebay.

    4. Re:Some basics on experimental particle physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tax dollars are not paying for the CERN experiments, although my tax Pounds and Euros are. Cern is the lab where Tim Berners-Lee created the web, to ease access to the large amounts of data at CERN, so there is a fairly obvious answer to utilitarian spin-offs in this case.

  42. Regional Calorimeter Trigger? by mikael · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that some sort of early warning system that used ground-imaging satellites to estimate the average weight of a human population through the shadows they made while walking outside. The system would send out a warning to the healthd department when a particular threshold level was exceeded.

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  43. Microbe DNA???? by Nonillion · · Score: 1

    So.... What you're saying is I can take a picture of the DNA of a microbe on the hair of a gnats ass.

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  44. Not geeky enough if... by Polski+Radon · · Score: 1

    It's not Overclocked.

  45. My words of wisdom by Mister+Gates · · Score: 2, Funny

    I feel good about this. No one will ever need more than 4 trillion bits of information per second.

  46. Um.. by ecryder · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You would think they would make her hold that board with some gloves on or something. She might get some fuzzy blue sweater mass (FBSM) stuck in the Pertinax.

  47. Barrel of monkeys by AlpineR · · Score: 2, Funny
    Could I get that in Libraries of Congress per fortnight?
    In addition to Libraries of Congress, I want to see barrels of monkeys become a standard measurement. Sort of the emotional axis orthogonal to the Libraries of Congress axis in information-space.

    • A game of Settlers of Catan = 0.8 barrels of monkeys
    • Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit = 1.5 barrels of monkeys
    • Cleaning the house = -2.7 barrels of monkeys

    AlpineR

    1. Re:Barrel of monkeys by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      -2.7? so it's logarithmic scale?

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  48. Large Hadron Collider (LHC) Indeed by triso · · Score: 3, Funny

    In grade 11 physics we were discussing hadrons and other subatomic particles when the shyest and geekiest girl asks, "How big are these hard-on thingies?" Order was not restored and the class was dismissed a few minutes early.

  49. And another part of the CMS/LHC project at UW by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Informative

    200TB of Xserve RAID storage (link includes pictures)

    Text of the article:

    The University of Wisconsin - Madison has deployed 35 5.6TB Xserve RAID storage arrays in a single research installation as part of an ongoing scientific computing initiative.

    The Grid Laboratory of Wisconsin (GLOW), a partnership between several research departments at the University of Wisconsin, have installed almost 200TB, or 200,000GB, of Xserve RAID arrays.

    As a comparison, 200TB of storage is enough to hold 2.75 years of high definition video, 25,000 full length DVD movies, 323,000 CDs, 20 printed collections of the Library of Congress, or over 1000 Wikipedias.

    The GLOW storage installation is physically split between the departments of Computer Sciences and High Energy Physics. Each Xserve RAID is attached to a dedicated Linux node running Fedora Core via an Apple Fibre Channel PCI-X Card and is either directly accessed via various mechanisms, such as over the network via gigabit ethernet, or aggregated using tools such as dCache.

    The storage is primarily used to act as a holding area for large amounts of data from experiments such as the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) and ATLAS experiments at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

  50. Think of the porn oppertunities! by scottinflorida · · Score: 1, Funny

    Heck, we could put these things in Japanese schoolgirl's bathrooms and make a friggin' fortune!

  51. 500 gigs per second by Stoutlimb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WOW that's 500 gigs per second. I wonder if they process it on the fly and delete it, or if it's stored somehow. I doubt they use serial ATA. How do you even search or make meaningful information out of a data set that large?

    1. Re:500 gigs per second by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      You write careful searches, optimize your algorithms, and wait.

      I visited Fermi once, and they have a massive facility to archive, search, and process the petabytes of data they create. It was mentioned that if you make a bad search request, it can go off for a month or so.

      There are PhD theses waiting in your last question, if you care to apprentice yourself to the physicists.

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    2. Re:500 gigs per second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you even search or make meaningful information out of a data set that large?

      cat /dev/rct | raw2png > cool.png

    3. Re:500 gigs per second by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      They indeed process it on the fly, which is the point of the trigger: it "triggers" on the most interesting events, which get stored. Even after triggering, the data set is massive.

  52. Sounds like a job for... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a job for the Cell processor. And I bet you could build it for less than $6M in the process.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a job for... by octopus72 · · Score: 1

      In fact CMS Event Filter (high-level trigger) is going to use x86 processors (probably intel Xeons). Calculations in the system will be performed using, fot the first time, algorithms and respective software packets originally designed to be used for offline analysis, so a whole framework (mostly C++) is devised around already existing applications for them to be usable in "online" processing. Of course, whole system is from the ground up designed with cross platform in mind.

  53. Re:Acronyms by slickwillie · · Score: 1

    I'll bet if someone really tried they could put together enough acronyms based on the RCT to spell out RECTAL THERMOMETER. I'm too lazy.

    Join CAT - the Committee to Abolish TLA's*.

    *Three Letter Acronyms.

  54. Just for the record... by erozen · · Score: 0

    ... my hadron is bigger than one millionth of the size of a mosquito.

  55. Bwah? by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 1

    All this just to run the Havok engine?

  56. Re:Acronyms by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    So, should we replace TLAs with FLLAs

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  57. Who cares (not a troll) by aepervius · · Score: 1

    As long as it accepts an international participation, and the results are made public thru peer review, who cares whether this is in america, swityerland or east papouana ? Usually, physics won't care at all in which country the experiement take place as long as they can participate :). And yes, IAAPAQPBWAFMHTPIALE*. Controversy on "where experiement take place" are usually not triggered on science basis but on political basis and partisan issue, on whhich most physicist won't care. Take the example of ITER example...



    *I Am A Physicist, Actually A Quantum Physicist, But Went Away From My Homeland To Participate In An Long Experiment.

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  58. So fast that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it can take a picture of a woman with her mouth SHUT !!!

  59. higgs boson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i was just wondering about "the particle that
    gives mass to the other particles". so this is
    the important particle everybody wants because
    then we just have to find a way to create
    it cheap and then we get all sorts of new technology
    like the "replicator" ("earl gray tea hot") in star
    trek -and- if we build one big enough we can
    have it replicate all sorts of stuff ("one concord
    please" -or- "one space ship enterprise please").

    then again if you could "reverse the process"
    of two protons colliding, e.g. have all the
    generated particle fly backwards to the collision source
    you would get a .. higgs too? so just find the
    "cheapest" collison event with as little neutrons as
    possible (neutrons are hard to steer/move/manipulat)
    and "reverse" that to get a ... higgs?

    very interessting but i'm a lazy person.
    have fun! and good luck!

  60. Collider - A new major tunron for geeks? :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Large Hadron ... hmmm.. None checks typos here? :-)

  61. Re:More important than pickering over countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    So what? What difference does the country make when scientists will still... wait a moment.. The difference being of course that your fokken country now collects all the data of, does cavity searches on and harasses passengers unfortunate enough to board planes flying there.

    No thanks. Any other country except that PMITA hellhole, please. Keep your freedoms to yourselves, I don't want any of it.

  62. Styrofoam cup? by Rethcir · · Score: 1

    When I read this article i pictured an array of styrofoam cups. After all, they do make excellent calorimeters.

  63. incentive for science eductation by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



    For a country that's struggling to graduate more engineers and scientists, a program like this provides more support and incentive for students pursuing these degrees. The employees at a supercollider aren't just the principal scientists. There are also hundreds of lab tech jobs to be filled by grad students and PHd candidates.

    Seth

  64. 100,000 I guess by evanh · · Score: 1

    4 trillion bits of information per second - I take to mean samples per second, and prolly in Bytes. Images every 25 nanoseconds is pretty clear.

    4E12 * 25E-9 = 100E3 pixels per image.

    Now, 0.1 MPixel don't sound too impressive until you take into account the 40 MHz framerate which is just a tad bit better than your average 24 Hz movie. :>

    Besides the camera, the real power in this thing is the processing required to make a decision, whether or not to keep that image, every 25 ns. And the 5 GSample of full speed (4 TS/s) RAM required to buffer the chosen 50,000 images before getting stored on that large HDD array they have.

    Evan