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CCD Image Sensor Inventors Win $500,000 Award

saskboy writes "CCD inventors were honoured this week. According to CBC News, "Willard Boyle, a Canadian scientist who helped invent the light-sensitive chip, accepted (the prestigious Charles Stark Draper Prize) in the U.S. on Tuesday. Boyle and George Smith will share the $500,000 US award for the invention of the "Charge-Coupled Device (CCD), a light-sensitive component at the heart of digital cameras and other widely used imaging technologies," the U.S. National Academy of Engineering said." Those other devices include the Hubble Space Telescope, and orthoscopic medical instruments. "Boyle and Smith came up with the idea for the device while working at Bell Laboratories in 1969. 'It was after maybe an hour's work,' Boyle recalled. 'We went over to the blackboard and we had some sketching there. We went down to our models lab and made one.'""

125 comments

  1. Sweet... by threedognit3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    God bless Lucent and all that it brings.

    1. Re:Sweet... by GoodOmens · · Score: 1

      Its amazing how little time it took them to make the first model.

  2. Am I correct in assuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that digital photography technology was originally developed for spy satellites and astronomy?

    1. Re:Am I correct in assuming by sampas · · Score: 1

      Of course! The CCD-makers biggest customer was the National Reconnaissance Office, (created in 1960 to resolve conflicts between the Air Force and the CIA). The first spy satellite to use the CCD was the KH-9, launched in 1971, which combined film and CCDs and was the first to transmit live images back to earth. KH-11 replaced film entirely with a digital, multi-spectral system. KH is the NRO's abbreviation for its codeword, "Keyhole," which is the domain Google uses for some of its Google Earth sites, like Google Earth Community.

  3. Favorite line from the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He doesn't own a digital camera, saying things have gotten too complicated." Too funny! The inventor can use results of his invention!

    1. Re:Favorite line from the article by johneee · · Score: 1

      Well, the inventor of Scrabble wasn't all that good at Scrabble... Not too uncommon I guess.

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  4. Remember this by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Not bad for some bad computer memory.

    Or maybe you're not aware that light sensitivity was considered a peculiar and irritating characteristic of some semiconductor memory. Not much of a problem inside an opaque case, unless nuclear decay or cosmic rays generate a photon...

    1. Re:Remember this by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I think there was a project in Byte magazine in the 80s that used an EPROM as a camera image sensor. I forget if it just used the erasing window or if you had to get the EPROM chip naked.

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    2. Re: Remember this by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
      Or maybe you're not aware that light sensitivity was considered a peculiar and irritating characteristic of some semiconductor memory.

      Hmmm... ever heard of EPROMs? The kind of chips that used to hold firmware, BIOS software and the like before flash memory arrived on the market? Those chips with a transparent window in them? Program electrically (like flash, but slower), and erase by shining UV light on the chip. Even ordinary sunlight will do if you're patient (couple of weeks, UV lights specialized for this task do it in 20 minutes or so).

      Put a non-transparent label over the window, stick the chip in the dark insides of a computer, and erase time goes up into decades - how convenient, just right for holding BIOS software. Or put the same chip in an ordinary chip housing, and the 'E' for 'Erasable' drops off - voila, a PROM (one-time programmable memory chip).

      (..) unless nuclear decay or cosmic rays generate a photon...

      There are different types of radiation (including photons) coming out of space or from nuclear decay. But regardless, most radiation will either not get through the chip casing or pass right through the entire chip, leaving it untouched. Only specific types or wavelengths of radiation (like UV light in the case of EPROMs) will have significant effect, desired or not.
    3. Re:Remember this by evw · · Score: 1

      Not EPROM, DRAM. You're thinking of the September and October 1983 issues of Byte. Steve Ciarcia wrote about using a DRAM as cheap CCD substitute. I had a subscription at the time and I remember the article talking about popping the lid off of a DRAM. But a Google search (see below) says he was talking about a special DRAM from Micron with a clear window. I dunno, maybe popping the lid off the DRAM was from a different article. That was long ago. I couldn't find the actual article but the following gives a lot of the details:

      http://members.tripod.com/RoBoJRR/techcorner.htm

    4. Re: Remember this by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      UV-erasable EPROM is a different thing than the light-sensitive RAM chips.

    5. Re: Remember this by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember the original issue with RAM was tracked down to radioisotopes in the ceramic cases decaying.

    6. Re:Remember this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nah that's a bunch of bullshit. It was definitely a DRAM with the head of the chip removed. They even gave instructions in the article on how to best do this (though of course, they provided no guarantees...) A pal of mine built one once.

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    7. Re: Remember this by ddopson · · Score: 1

      You are referring to the infamous Po-210 issue that IBM had. It actually originated from a faulty bottle-washing machine for one of the acids used in the fab process. The machine was using Po-210 to ionize a jet of air and there was a busted seal that was leaking Po-210 into the empty bottles. It took them years and millions of dollars to figure out what was going wrong. All chips have problems with soft errors, but when there is a problem in your fab and you put a highly radioactive isotope directly into the packaging... well soft errors become a nightmare. If contaminants are well controlled, then the primary soft error source is cosmic high energy neutrons. It's a bigger deal at higher elevations, and even worse in aircraft. If you find such things interesting, check out the references at the end of my thesis: http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/softecc:ddopson -meng/softecc_ddopson-meng.pdf Especially IBM's summary of their soft-error experience from 78-94 http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/401/tocpdf. html

  5. Pixel density limitations by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take a jar and fill it with marbles. At some point, there just isn't any way to fit more marbles into the jar without breaking either some of the marbles or the jar itself. Consider that between each marble is a little space left over. All that space is wasted, even though you can't fit any more marbles into the jar!

    Now empty the jar and fill it with bread. Once the jar is full, you can press down on the top of the bread and make more room. In fact, you can pretty much keep stuffing bread into the jar for quite a long time. Eventually you'll reach the saturation point and no new bread can be entered into the jar. However, the amount of bread in the jar is many times greater than the number of marbles which we just removed. There was less space between each piece of bread than there was between each marble because the bread is malleable whereas the marble requires a fixed size.

    There's a limit to the pixel density achievable with CCDs. Once the pixelsites get too close together, they interfere with each other electrically and throw off the sensor. CCDs are a nice stopgap measure, but they aren't the bread in the example above.

    1. Re:Pixel density limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Stopgap measure? Do explain.

    2. Re:Pixel density limitations by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure a jar is the best place to be storing your bread... or your marbles.

      The bread storage problem has been solved for quite a few years now, possibly longer than CCD's have been around. The marble storage problem is probably still a bit open ended, although less important as marbles have a significantly longer shelf life than bread.

      Sorry... i don't think i had a point either.

    3. Re:Pixel density limitations by Chris6502 · · Score: 1

      Marbles are a lot denser than bread. At least to start with.

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    4. Re:Pixel density limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If i had some moderation points, you'd be getting +1 Funny for sure.

    5. Re:Pixel density limitations by quokkapox · · Score: 1
      The marble storage problem is probably still a bit open ended

      How to optimally store your marbles. Theoretically, of course. Don't you people read digg?

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    6. Re:Pixel density limitations by dtking · · Score: 1

      Get a bigger jar. One of the problems with digital photography is the tiny, tiny imaging chips make wide angle a pain in the butt. If you can fit eleven megapixels on a 5x7 inch plate, I'll put it in my old view camera.

    7. Re:Pixel density limitations by Kohath · · Score: 1

      They could. It would cost $40000 because you could only put one on a wafer.

    8. Re:Pixel density limitations by Spazntwich · · Score: 1

      I love you, badanalogyguy.

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    9. Re:Pixel density limitations by inter+alias · · Score: 1

      I wish prices would come down, I have an old kodak brownie from ~1914 that works perfectly (mechanically), but they stopped making the film some decades ago...

      It can be retrofitted to hold some newer type of film but it would be the perfect digicam in disguise.

    10. Re:Pixel density limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless things are moving significantly, mount the camera on a tripod, shoot a bunch of pictures and tile them digitally into a panorama. Combine it with a relatively wide-angle lens (so you don't have to take too many pictures), and problem solved. 11 mexapixels? Some of my panoramas have 60. It is a bit more fiddly than shooting a single wide-angle frame, but there are advantages as well.

  6. Well deserved by Chris6502 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having worked for a number of years in the optical astronomy field during the transition from photographic plates to CCD imaging I for one truly appreciate the CCD. No more baking plates in nitrogen and choosing the right emulsion for the wavelength of interest.

    Now, the IR sensitivity was a different matter, played hob with the spectrograph we retrofitted with a CCD camera. First order IR overlapping second order blue.....

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  7. 1969 by threedognit3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't you get it....1969. Not yesterday, not the day before....1969. Most of you pups were still your dad's dreams if he was alive then.

    1. Re:1969 by quokkapox · · Score: 3, Funny
      /shudder

      Thanks, I've just realized I'm sufficiently old that my own kid could mod me down on Slashdot.

      And this could happen without either of us even knowing it. Great.

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    2. Re:1969 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Most of you pups were still your dad's dreams if he was alive then.

      Dreams? More like nightmares }:^)

    3. Re:1969 by initialE · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I've always wanted to know who was that guy that kept screaming "MOD PARENT DOWN!"

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  8. about time by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm surprised it's taken this long to give them a prize.

    1. Re:about time by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Doug Engelbart invented the mouse in 1970, nearly went into debt a time or two, and was finally awarded $500,000 in 1997 through an award presented by MIT. After all the red tape and crap he went though, I don't think I'll be spending 15 years of my life trying to earn a Ph. D. when the results are a product used by everybody in the computing world, and years of debt.

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    2. Re:about time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, early CCDs don't have the refresh rate that modern ones do...

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  9. Hehe kind of late by chanrobi · · Score: 1

    For the $500k isn't it? I'm guessing he's made a lot more than that off the patents already for 37 some odd years.

    1. Re:Hehe kind of late by AutopsyReport · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately everyone else that utilized the CCD struck it rich, not Boyle himself. I saw this on Daily Planet yesterday, and how they were sort of joking about it. He didn't get rich because he didn't own the rights to the patent, his company did. That's what happens when you get paid to research / invent.

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    2. Re:Hehe kind of late by MikeWasHere05 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      A quick USPTO patent search for Willard Boyle turns up nothing about a CCD, but rather someone who patented the sun visor and humidifier. In the article, Mr. Boyle states how he made the prototype at the Bell lab. Is it possible that Bells holds all patents on discoveries made by it's employees?

    3. Re:Hehe kind of late by MikeWasHere05 · · Score: 1

      Forgot the patent search link: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT O2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0 &p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=IN%2FWillard+and+Boyle&d=ptxt

      (I know it's long, not my fault.)

      And I noticed that someone replied to the parent's post confirming the fact that Bell labs holds the patent.

    4. Re:Hehe kind of late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inventors of the TV, FM, and now CCD memory never made much money from their inventions. This is as clear a case for NOT having patents as any! There is no reason to reward companies for the inventions of the people they hire unless they are substantially rewarded, e.g. permament percentage of profits for the lifetime of the patent. Otherwise patents give far too many rights to corporations. Being able to assign copyright and patents to non-persons such as corporations is also silly.

  10. ...not to mention... by rknop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...every other optical telescope in the world nowadays.

    CCDs did more to revolutionize astronomy in the 20th century than the Hubble Space Telescope did. They enabled the HST, but also effectively multiplied the size of all ground-based telescopes by a factor of 10-- although it's not so simple as that, as CCDs provide a host of other advantages really making quantitative imaging possible.

    CCDs were huge for astronomy. The "CCD revolution" in the 80's (at least 10 years before most people had really heard of digital cameras) made a big difference.

    1. Re:...not to mention... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      CCDs were huge for astronomy. The "CCD revolution" in the 80's (at least 10 years before most people had really heard of digital cameras) made a big difference.

      Yeah, that usually happens. Research equipment has a whole different level for acceptable component costs than consumer equipment.

      One could argue that CCD's usage in telescopes gave them the money for the development needed to get the price down to what was needed for digital camera use. Then digital cameras allowed development to reach the point to more than pay back astronomy with improved detectors(though still different and more costly than consumer models).

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    2. Re:...not to mention... by Shag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And as an addendum, "optical" applies of course to not only visible light, but infrared as well. This seems obvious to you and me, but a lot of people don't make the connection right away.

      This is a well-timed story for me, since I'm at the controls of a 2.2-meter optical scope right now, with a 2048x2048 CCD as the main instrument for the first half of the night, and a 512x512 CCD on the guider camera. :)

      CCDs are my friends!

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    3. Re:...not to mention... by Chris6502 · · Score: 1

      Totally agree, but there are areas where CCDs still cannot compete with photographic methods. Namely wide field imaging. Specifically I am thinking of schmidt cameras. Until they can grow a silicon wafer that big CCDs aren't going to compete. Think of the size of the UK Scmidt camera for instance, IIRC the film size is way beyond anything that can be made from a single silicon wafer. And it needs to be curved to conform to the focal plane.

      Even on a smaller scale a 6 inch square photographic plate packs more information than any CCD can particlarly for astrographic applications. Yes, a mosaic can be be generated but telescope tracking accuracy becomes a factor, a single exposure is always going to be superior to multiple images stitched together.

      For people with large refractors where chromatic abberation is also an issue you simply cannot get a well focussed image on a CCD detector without narrow band filters, preferably stromgren. The added sensitivity really helps in that case. Just picking your IIIaj or IIao emulsion was much easier. But things move on and how many people use big refractors anymore

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    4. Re:...not to mention... by rknop · · Score: 1

      And as an addendum, "optical" applies of course to not only visible light, but infrared as well. This seems obvious to you and me, but a lot of people don't make the connection right away.

      Well, some infrared. But, yes, I've come to think of everything shorter than 1 micron as "optical" even though our eye can't see all of that.

      Which 'scope are you at?

      -Rob

    5. Re:...not to mention... by Shag · · Score: 1
      I'm operating this scope. Not a lot of aperture, but a decent enough site. ;)

      I occasionally also stare at the sky over at this other place around the corner from the first one, but in a much less significant capacity. :(

      We likes the big shiny toys, my preciousss...

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    6. Re:...not to mention... by Eightyford · · Score: 1

      Watcha lookin' at?

    7. Re:...not to mention... by Shag · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm looking at a bunch of control apps and the guider output. Such is the life of a technological sort who supports the scientists doing the actual research. :)

      The observer I'm working with for the first half of the night, on the other hand, is looking at a star formation region. In the second half, I'll have different observers, hunting for type 1A supernovae.

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    8. Re:...not to mention... by Shag · · Score: 1

      But there's stitching, and then there's stacking... while a single exposure is obviously superior to a stitched set, nobody (if they can help it) makes do with a single exposure of something, right? :)

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    9. Re:...not to mention... by Eightyford · · Score: 1

      Cool stuff. Must be nice to do something worthwhile at work.

    10. Re:...not to mention... by Shag · · Score: 1

      FVO "worthwhile" that encompass posting to Slashdot? Damn straight. ;)

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  11. Look at his nick for the meaning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of his analogy.

  12. Yeah by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1969. Back when we were building things. Inventing things. Making things better. We were actually investing in the future then.

    Now it would require a "business case" before anyone would be allowed a moment to think about CCD image sensors, much less build them. Some rat fuck middle management asscrack would probably write the group up for "unauthorized use of business resources" and start drawing up requests for department-wide layoffs.

    That's of course assuming brilliant people like these men who could "after maybe an hour's work, we went over to the blackboard and we had some sketching there. We went down to our models lab and made one" would get hired in the first place. They'd be declared "overqualified" or lacking "marketable skills" before they were even interviewed.

    We were on the doorstep of the solar system almost 40 years ago. Now we're all parked in front of plasma televisions bought on 28% credit watching "reality shows." Talk about toilet-ramming the future. This is what happens when entire generations of education are wasted on purpose. What a fucking waste.

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    1. Re:Yeah by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      I would moderate this post as "insightful" not "funny".

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    2. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was freakin' hilarious!

    3. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "We were on the doorstep of the solar system almost 40 years ago. Now we're all parked in front of plasma televisions bought on 28% credit watching "reality shows." Talk about toilet-ramming the future. This is what happens when entire generations of education are wasted on purpose. What a fucking waste."

      You're too kind. 'Wasted' implies a mere passive neglect, rather than 'subverted' which is more the truth.
      You assume an educated population is desirable - bzzzt wrong, they want you as dumb as can be and easy to control. You're right, we passed that golden age up, smart and independent thinkers are not desirable in
      a the new regime. Its just too - 'unpredictable'.

      Nobody wants rogue minds working on their own, people who might not be 'on side'. They're scared. They're frightened shitless of progress, of technology, of people like us who might turn their little world on its head with a single daydream. Their way is to subvert technology, Einstein gives us e=mc2 and they figure out how to make bombs. These guys invent CCDs and they stick them on every street corner to spy on people.
      Little exposes the malignant pathology of a person so much as the uses they seek in technology.

      But don't cry for the plasma TV generation. They are actually happy, They relish their ignorance, it protects them and they will defend the right to be a dumbass to the hilt. That shiny box made in China means more to them than any idea, any morality, any person. We are in the minority, depressed and traumatised watching the silence of the lambs, powerless to help or inform. Sometimes I'd like to unlearn everything I know, take a job in the car wash and sit in front of a 56" expensive toy I don't own while I drink cheap beer, but it doesn't work that way, no turning back the hands of time.

      please may I have a +5 funny mod too, you weak spineless cowards.

    4. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being in college at this moment I can tell you that although I agree with your view, that period of stifled innovation is over. All I see here at college are highly motivated individuals just dying to tackle the next centuries issues. The next 20 years will prove most interesting I believe.

    5. Re:Yeah by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Somebody's been reading a bit too much Neal Stephenson lately.

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    6. Re:Yeah by ExoticMandibles · · Score: 1
      Yup! Because, as everyone knows, middle managers didn't exist back in the 60s. Well, wait a minute--if we haven't invented anything new since the 60s, I guess they must have been invented back then. But surely nobody had any.

      And technology really hasn't really changed any since 1969. I mean, apart from some new style sheets, Slashdot today is basically the same as it was back then, right?

      How insightful!


      larry

    7. Re:Yeah by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

      Because, as everyone knows, middle managers didn't exist back in the 60s.

      They existed, and their job was fighting for their people. General Motors fires 30,000 people now and nobody gives a shit. It's all the employee's fault, of course. They didn't have enough "marketable skills." General Motors firing 30,000 people in 1969 would have resulted in a national outrage that would have made history.

      Well, wait a minute--if we haven't invented anything new since the 60s

      Well we did invent $7000 televisions and 28% credit cards. That's progress I guess.

      And technology really hasn't really changed any since 1969

      It's changed. The U.S. is no longer capable of manufacturing it's own necessities, half the working-age adults don't have full-time jobs and we haven't been within 200,000 miles of the moon since the mid-70s. Three cheers for progress. Pass the croutons.

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    8. Re:Yeah by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Well we did invent $7000 televisions and 28% credit cards. That's progress I guess.

      Corrected for inflation, TVs before the '60s costed a lot more than they do now, corrected for current money, they could be more than $20,000 (current money) for an average set then.

      I haven't heard of 28% credit cards, I would think those would be going to the people that shouldn't ever have a credit card.

    9. Re:Yeah by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Yet, somehow Foveon had managed to make improvements by making a three layer CMOS sensor so you can use one single sensor and still record the red, green and blue for every single pixel. Most digital cameras are single chip, but alternate what color is detected based on pixel location, causing some issues occasionally.

    10. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol! Great post dude - Slashdot paranoia is hilarious after a couple of beers!

    11. Re:Yeah by cubicledrone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Corrected for inflation, TVs before the '60s costed a lot more than they do now

      Corrected for inflation, wages have plummeted in the last 30 years.

      I haven't heard of 28% credit cards, I would think those would be going to the people that shouldn't ever have a credit card.

      Like college students. No better way to fuck over somebody's finances than to bury them in debt before they even get a job. Give them $20,000 in student loans and $20,000 in 28% credit card debt and watch them fail. It's fun for the whole society! Throw in a few "let's start over for the eighth time" layoffs, then make fun of them because they are financially ruined twice by age 30. Then let's tell them what losers they are as they try to scramble out of depression, debt and misery.

      Oh, and let's also just declare their degree worthless the moment they earn it. Such fucking losers. They should be able to afford houses that are priced 50 times what they are worth.

      Now let's all sing the company song.

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    12. Re:Yeah by Grismar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What really gets me here is that you seem to think you're actually better than people watching their plasma screens. I don't mind you thinking you're better off doing something else with your time. I can also see how the world would become a better place for you (and possibly a lot of the /. public) if all these people got off their couches and behind a keyboard.

      But really, what moral advantage do you have over them? And how exactly would the world become a better place for them? As some other poster already mentioned, these people are actually happy as they are, or at least think they are without ill side effects, which pretty much amounts to the same.

      And how about getting off your ass and actually contributing something instead of wasting your time on a forum like /., venting your petty frustration because some manager obviously had the good sense to notice you're just a waste of his corporation's money, his time and frankly: ours.

    13. Re:Yeah by JimB · · Score: 1

      I am NOT arguing with 'cubicledrone'. I agree with him(?). I have ONE question to ask ANYONE who is 'casting aspersions' on his opinion:

      "If Penzias & Wilson were doing satellite communication experiments in 2003, How much time would they be given to explain why their instrument was 2% off in it's readings ????"

      The ovvious answer, which we all know would be: "Put a damned resistor in there and force it to zero and get on with your work !"

    14. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Their way is to subvert technology, Einstein gives us e=mc2 and they figure out how to make bombs. These guys invent CCDs and they stick them on every street corner to spy on people."

      Wow... Just wow... I Love how some people can criticize the parts of our society that neglect philosiphy, yet at the same time, can proove to us that they are just as ignorant to what truly goes on in our world. Here is a hint: The Big Government and Big Corperations are not out to get you!

    15. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is nonsensical.

      1) Any RF engineer is going to work to investigate and reduce his noise floor in a sensitive receivet application.

      2) Penzias and Wilson weren't just ordinary engineers, they were pushing the state of the art. Plenty of Ph.D.-types are working on new devices to push the limits of technology, and they *do* take the time to figure out exactly what is contributing to the performance of their devices and systems.

      In 2006, a guy developing a satellite receiver is going to be using off-the-shelf components, on a commercial deadline, with commercial specs.

      That's not because in 2006 everything is commercial, just that technology has matured in the meantime, so what was cutting-edge in the past is now just ordinary fresh-out-of-college-new-hire material.

    16. Re:Yeah by tribentwrks · · Score: 1
      Sometimes I'd like to unlearn everything I know, take a job in the car wash and sit in front of a 56" expensive toy I don't own while I drink cheap beer, but it doesn't work that way, no turning back the hands of time.

      You should have taken the Blue Pill ...

    17. Re:Yeah by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      they want you as dumb as can be and easy to control.

      Who are "they"?

    18. Re:Yeah by pizzaman100 · · Score: 1

      Pretty much agree with you, with the following exception: no one says you have to borrow money. Anyone who borrows at 28% needs to be spanked. And as far as school loans go -It's a choice, and if you think borrowing to go to school is a bad idea, don't do it. Go to community school and a state school and you can easily get your degree without any debt. And if you don't wan't to pay half a million for a house in California, then move to the midwest and buy one for 50K-100K one year's income.

    19. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alright. Who let the Goth chicks in? Damnit people! Show some self respect!

    20. Re:Yeah by dustmite · · Score: 1

      Gee, let's see, what "moral advantage" does someone who thinks and works hard have over someone who refuses to think and relishes in ignorance and laziness. I don't know .. gosh .. this question is just so hard to answer.

      </sarcasm>

  13. Well, there was the issue of JPEG patents... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 1

    Forgent was claiming their JPEG patent was violated with the invention of the CCD. That had to be cleared up before a prize could awarded, you see.

  14. Orthoscopic? by TrashGod · · Score: 1

    Did you mean arthroscopic? Or, more generally, endoscopic?
    Of course, that was some orthoscopic fix on Hubble!

  15. don't forget CMOS... by SuperBanana · · Score: 1
    ...every other optical telescope in the world nowadays.

    It's not as prevalent anymore; CMOS is gaining considerable ground in a lot of different imaging fields.

    Canon, for example, uses CMOS sensors in all its digital SLRs; noise, power consumption, speed of "reading" the sensor (I think), and dynamic range are all much better. CMOS's only real technical downside is that there is a non-sensor component next to every sensor well. However, CMOS sensors are harder/more expensive to come by. They also aren't available as readily with cooling devices; a cooled CCD will have lower noise levels than a non-cooled CMOS sensor.

    Canon did release a special version of the 20D for astrophotographers called the 20Da, with no IR filter...never heard how popular it was...

    1. Re:don't forget CMOS... by rebelcool · · Score: 1

      CMOS and CCD arent much different in final image quality. DALSA (one of the two manufacturers in the world of large format sensor chips, the other being Kodak) has a white paper on this. They make both CMOS and CCD chips.

      The choice of which to use is usually dictated by other concerns like which goes better with an existing manufacturing line, or other electrical engineering issues.

      Currently, most chips larger than 35mm are CCD. All the medium format backs I know use CCD versus CMOS (interesting fact..though there are several back makers, the chips come from either dalsa or kodak..) One thing about CMOS is that it requires more noise processing because of the every-pixel-has-an-amp by it on chip, whereas CCDs have fewer amps because they read off the analog data before digitizing it in a serialized manner. uneven amplifiers are what cause the noise patterns.

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    2. Re:don't forget CMOS... by helioquake · · Score: 1

      CMOS is nice since you can make a large format detector easier; but then the downside is to make the detector sensitivity uniform (quantum efficiency uniformity), which determines the flatness of the field.

      Quite frankly I'm impressed with what Cannon did with its CMOS detectors. It must have a good on-board correction?

  16. Soundfx4 is my name, these guys don't need money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So these two men invented the CCD device that is the heart of every digital imaging device ever created. That would make them millionaires and quite possibly billionaires from royalties alone, so...why would anyone give them half a million dollars? They sure as hell don't need it.

  17. "When I was your age..." by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some rat fuck middle management asscrack would probably write the group up for "unauthorized use of business resources" and start drawing up requests for department-wide layoffs.

    I honestly can't figure out if you're serious or not. Probably doesn't help that you were modded insightful- now you seem to be moderated funny, but I suspect you were not trying to be...

    What a bunch of crap. You're buying partially into the romanticization of historical inventors, and ignoring the fact that you only really hear about the people who were NOT shut down, the projects that were not abandoned because of penny pinchers, etc.

    Talking about the "good old days" when inventors just picked money from trees, never had to justify research, didn't struggle against powermongering and corporate politics etc...is a bunch of pure, complete, uneducated, knee-jerk bullshit.

    1. Re:"When I was your age..." by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

      You're buying partially into the romanticization of historical inventors

      No. I'm buying into present-day powdered-donut stuffing fatass-wedged hairpiece cheat fuck liar middle managers. Don't have to romanticize inventors. They're right there in TFA.

      didn't struggle against powermongering and corporate politics etc

      Wasn't anywhere NEAR as destructive as it is today. Not even on the map. Nice try.

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    2. Re:"When I was your age..." by klaun · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      No. I'm buying into present-day powdered-donut stuffing fatass-wedged hairpiece cheat fuck liar middle managers. Don't have to romanticize inventors. They're right there in TFA.

      I can't imagine why you'd ever have a negative relationship with your manager... or why you might have been fired.

    3. Re:"When I was your age..." by cubicledrone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't imagine why you'd ever have a negative relationship with your manager

      Not difficult when the manager is a lying cheat fuck.

      or why you might have been fired

      When you see near-perfect employees fired and physically shoved out of the building, being fired doesn't really matter any more. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with how good someone is at their job any more. It's all about greed, lying and more greed.

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    4. Re:"When I was your age..." by sane? · · Score: 1
      You either are young and naive; you live in one of the few spots that haven't been MBA'd to death; or you are one of those managers yourself.

      Sure the 'good old days' weren't as rosy as some make out - but they were still at least 100% more receptive to new ideas, invention and innovation than those today.

      If you have a good idea today your best chance is to pursue it in your own time and hope to hell that someone somewhere doesn't think you have been unwise enough to agree that your soul is theirs 24 hours a day.

      Oh, and plan and prepare against the cold hard world that results from thinking powerpoints make up for failing to develop.

    5. Re:"When I was your age..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking about the "good old days" when inventors just picked money from trees, never had to justify research, didn't struggle against powermongering and corporate politics etc...is a bunch of pure, complete, uneducated, knee-jerk bullshit.
      It's pretty easy to tell the under-40 crowd, eh? I'm sorry to tell the poster that he was born at the wrong time. Powermongering and corporate politics are probably as inevitable as death and taxes, but "picking money from trees" was the norm for those who worked for the monopoly that was The Phone Company. In return for the bushels of money that it was legally allowed to rake in from America, TPC refrained from entering certain markets (one of the drivers of the 1984 divestiture agreement was that AT&T would be allowed to enter the computer market, thus becoming the only computer company in history to lose not one, but two fortunes in the market) and shoveled money at research that had, at best, a tenuous connection to the business of running the telephone network (to be fair, a lot of money went toward things that benefitted the network). The closest thing a few years ago was the pharmaceutical industry, which had to spend money on "research" and was creative in doing so (would you consider contracting out for a whizzo interactive kiosk for the R&D building lobby, providing photographic lookup and interactive directions to offices to be pharmaceutical research?). But, alas, at one time, money grew on trees. Of course, one was required to fork over the patents for $1 and a plaque/certificate, but still...

    6. Re:"When I was your age..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a look at cubicledrone's posting history. He has been running with this rant for years. One can only assume that he keeps getting fired or he is a very very angry man. Either way it is obvious that he has a bad attitude and would be a pain in the ass for any manager. Cubicledrone is a failure in life. He blames others but he has no one to blame but himself. His anger is from his inability to understand the social world. He may have been told lies, but he wanted to believe the lies. Many other students were told lies about life. Many graduated with stupid ammounts of debt. Most realised that the debt was their own fault for not doing the easy math. They were angry but they adjusted and moved on. Cubicledrone has been unable to do that.

      Cubicledrone lacks simple social skills and understanding. He should be pitied.

  18. Mod insightful, not funny by The+Hobo · · Score: 1

    Someone mod this up insightful, the funny mark doesn't do it justice

    It's like HP, their motto is "HP - Invent", that was 50 years ago, now they're a company that sells ink with region locked chips (this 'feature' may/may not be a reality... yet)

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  19. My first thought on this article was.... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ..... now picture that.

    my second thought was how.....well, the scanner camera...

    http://www.interaction.rca.ac.uk/alumni/02-04/mich ael/ScannerCamera/

    http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-demo-scanner-cam.h tml

  20. Years from now... by threedognit3 · · Score: 1

    pHaSeD ArRaY... New...but not as fattening.

  21. Re:Soundfx4 is my name, these guys don't need mone by NerdENerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, they worked for Bell Labs. they are the ones raking in billions on patents. The pleb in the lab never cashes in when part of a big company.

  22. As to patents and payments... by threedognit3 · · Score: 1

    Bell Lab a.k.a. Lucent got the rewards not these guys. Had this been the 90's they would have bolted and started a Silicon Valley start up...then they would have been mill....bill...zillonaires. These guys are getting ATT/B3ll Labs pensions...which isn't much.

  23. Re:Pixel density limitations (totally off-topic) by timothy · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough ... a professor of mine (well -- talked at orientation, will probably later actually be one of my profs) gave this illustration as some sort of cornball illustration about "obviousness" (if I got the gist of it); basically, he filled a jar with large rocks, asked "Is the jar full?" Some students said Yes (which is true -- *in the sense that it was full of large rocks*); he proved 'em wrong by filling it with smaller rocks instead. Full? No, because there's still sand to go! (Though also true in the same sense as before -- "full of" requires a some standard of granularity; we're all just a little bit "full of it.") Full yet? No, because water is next! Finally full, to the audience's general satisfaction.

    I wasn't sure what he was getting at; I pointed out that atoms (including those making up the molecules of water) are still mostly empty space. At this, he got a bit flustered, as if I'd shouted out the punchline to a joke he was still telling, but I wasn't trying to -- I figured that was the next Zen master step of his lesson about perceptions and truth :)

    Oh, well. He just went on, with a snarky comment about "Ignoring Mr. Wizard back there ..."

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  24. Overlooked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Igor is overdue for the invention of the wheel 200,000 years ago.

    1. Re:Overlooked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Igor? Igor Wheel? You're still around? Wow. I thought you died ages ago. And /. is the last place I expected to see you.

      Hey, did you ever solve that problem getting royalties from Google for their use of your pigeonrank system? Proving prior art from the Stone Age is such a hassle, isn't it? The USPTO is so finicky about getting paper documentation rather than stone.

  25. Re:Pixel density limitations (totally off-topic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dry sand is heavier than wet sand, they say.

    But if you take a jar packed with dry sand and pour water on it, you've added mass without adding volume to the contents of the jar. More mass means more weight, so the original postulate is incorrect.

  26. ahem... by eosp · · Score: 0

    honoured? Ohh, weit, /. spilling erorr, nevver mintt.

    1. Re:ahem... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Say neighbour, what spelling error? (The story link is to cbc.ca)

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    2. Re:ahem... by perthling · · Score: 1

      looks like the right spelling to me.
      The world is bigger than the USA you know.

    3. Re:ahem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, just because that Noah Webster fellow couldn't spell!

    4. Re:ahem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sory,

      The CBC shuld have rememberd to cater to an American odience.

  27. Not just for looking out into space... by ChePibe · · Score: 4, Interesting
    But at the earth as well.

    This invention really contributed to keeping the Cold War from heating up - reconnaissance satellites equipped with this technology were very useful to ensuring all sides kept their ends of the bargain during various arms control treaties. Not to mention their usefulness in charting maps and letting us all see from a new perspective.

    It's kind of funny when you think about it, but this little invention has broadened our understanding of the entire universe while helping prevent us from blowing each other up down here on earth at the same time. You just can't say that about many things. Great work, gentlemen. Great work.

    1. Re:Not just for looking out into space... by MarkCollette · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget how it revolutionised amateur Internet porn.

      Great work, gentlemen. Great work.

      /Surely this deserves an award?
      //Nobel?

    2. Re:Not just for looking out into space... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Actually, the vast majority of recon sats used during the Cold War used film instead of CCDs and ejected their film cannisters to the earth. Digital remote sensing didn't really start taking off until the Cold War was nearly at an end.

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  28. ENROLL ME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SIGN ME UP FOR THIS UNIVERSITY.... Maybe if I don't get in I can go to Bob Jones University.... Sounds like it's the way of the future

  29. Wait a second... by mac.convert · · Score: 1

    I seem to have forgotten, but I do recall reading somewhere about Ray Kurzweil's involvement in CCD scanning. I know he utilized the technology in his sight reading machines for the blind, and he made some sort of deal involving the scanning technology with Xerox. Anyone else remember this? I don't have my copy of The Age of Spiritual Machines handy.

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  30. H2+N2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hypering film requires a mixture of hydrogen and nitrogen to be pendantic about it:

    http://www.astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/I09/I09.HTM

    Quite an art to get it right too.

    A.C.

  31. 500k$? They got short-changed. by Qa1 · · Score: 1

    If they had gotten a restrictive corporation-style patent on that technology, they would have made billions of dollars. Sure, industry and inovation would be hampered, but that's a small price to pay for someone getting obscenely rich with money he couldn't spend in a donzen lifetimes...

  32. Re:Pixel density limitations (totally off-topic) by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

    I remember a vaguely similar demonstration involving a jar of marbles and some sand at school - except this one was part of a chemistry lesson. (I was probably only aged eleven or twelve at the time, so I think the teachers were still in the attempting-to-instil-wonder phase...)

    Anyway. It was used as an analogy for the mixing of (I think) ethanol and water - take 10cm^3 of ethanol, 10cm^3 of water, mix 'em together and you get a bit less than 20cm^3 of liquid resulting.

    It must have been a fairly early experiment, 'cause otherwise any teenage pupils would have drunk the ethanol. Yes, children, industrial alcohol contains methanol, and you will go blind if you do that... ;-)

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  33. Only $500,000? by cocoamix · · Score: 1

    Too bad the winners of American Idol will get more money and notoriety than these guys.

  34. CMOS Inventor? by cocoamix · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the guys who invented the CMOS will also get a prize.

    Comparison and history of both types of chips.

  35. Re:Pixel density limitations (totally off-topic) by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely your professor based his class on the old joke:

    A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly, he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.
    So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.
    The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up the remaining space. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with an unanimous 'yes'.

    The professor then produced two cans of beer from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the space between the sand particles. The students laughed.

    Now, said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. "
    "The golf balls are the important things - your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favourite passions - things that if everything else were lost, and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else - the small stuff.

    "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take your partner out to dinner. Go out with friends. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the washing. Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

    One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the beer represented.The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of beers."

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  36. make money fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Engineer a breakthrough in electronics
    2) wait 37 years
    3) profit!

  37. Bitter, naïve or lucky - pick one by crimson30 · · Score: 1

    You know... people don't need any help in fucking themselves over, but likely more often than you would think, they get more help with it than they need. Perhaps you've been lucky to avoid unethical, cold-hearted, racist and/or back-stabbing employers/managers/supervisors/co-workers, but just because you haven't run into them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you.

  38. Cell Phones by gamerluke · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I bet this guy uses a cell phone. Also the campus is probably surrounded by towers. These things are just as "dangerous" as WIFI. Not that there has ever been evidence to suggest that properly installed and used cellular technologies would cause problems anyway, but it is the same line of thought.

    1. Re:Cell Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How is parent on topic, you ask?

      The cell phones have CCD cameras in them, of course!

  39. What did they use before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if televisions were being sold long before then, what sort of mechanism did they use to capture the frames of video and turn them into signals to broadcast to our TVs?

    1. Re:What did they use before? by danb1974 · · Score: 1
  40. Improving pixel density with image stabialization. by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    I've been wondering lately what it would take to convert a video camera pan into a stil picture.

    If you were to scan a seen, zoomed in, and then process it, you should be able to get a HUGE picture with a fairly small camera.

    This process would also stabilize the image, blurs don't exist on sufficiently fast movie cameras.

    So thinking along those lines, any "Fuzzy" scene (like ANY zoomed-in scene that I try to shoot with a hand-held) should be able to be filmed as a video, then processed into something with much higher density simply due to your hand movements.

    You are, in effect, filling in the space between the marbles.

    The other really interesting effect that this kind of processing would give you is a 3-d effect with one camera.

    Picture driving along with a movie camera pointed out your side window, preferably with a fish-eye lens. That lens captured all the images you need to re-create the entire trip in 3-d. As you approach a tree, it gets one side, as you drive away, it gets the other, all you would be missing is a small section of the back. All this would be in as high a resolution as you could possibly ask for.

    Since the images would be so similar but 3-D separated, a computer shouldn't have too much trouble identifying different objects within the picture. The processing system would work pretty much the same as a video card running in reverse--take in a scene and put out a bunch of bitmap-textured 3-d models.

  41. Lousy troll by dustmite · · Score: 1

    You score 3 out of 10 on the troll-o-meter ... way too obvious, but bonus points because you still somehow got quite a bunch of replies.

  42. Nice ad hominem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how about getting off your ass and actually contributing something instead of wasting your time on a forum like /.

    And how exactly do you know what GP is doing when not posting to slashdot? Oh, you don't you say? Then STFU.

  43. True, but... by ChePibe · · Score: 1

    With the KH-11's appearence in 1977, the CCD made a great leap forward in immediate intelligence gathering for the last 13 years or so of the Cold War - crucial years by anyone's standard.

    The CCD wasn't the only imaging technology to be sure, but it made big contributions.

    Thanks for your comment!

  44. Re:Yeah... Oh Yeah? Yeah... by boschs_haywain · · Score: 1
    I can also see how the world would become a better place for you (and possibly a lot of the /. public) if all these people got off their couches and behind a keyboard.

    You insensitive klahd... I'm sitting on a *sofa* and I happen to also be sitting behind *two* keyboards listening to a web streamed simulcast of a concert in New Jersey (3000 miles away in meatspace) on one Linux box while recording the Olympics broadcast on my other Linux box, posting on /. and kicking back post work, having some supper.

    Yeah, ok so its Friday of Mardi Gras weekend and I'm at home on the sofa reading ./, laughing at myself for busting out a moldy slashcliches (slashches?)... so what's my point?

    Since when did posts need to have a point? Well I suppose it could be that the real world ain't 1's and 0's, $10k plasma screens @ 21% vs volunteering at Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems to develop a interdimensional attack & recreational device that runs Linux.

    Apply some fuzzy logic y'all, ease back on the judgmentalism and ism throttle and reform yourselves a little bit.


    Barton
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