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Defending RIM Blackberry Against Productivity

Jasksk writes "Is Blackberry causing masses to lose productivity? This article on CoolTechZone.com clears the myth. The author writes, 'Ever since the patent litigation has settled between NTP and RIM, Blackberry has recaptured the headlines, but this time, it's because of the device itself. While numerous users, generally corporate executives, adore the device, the environment surrounding Blackberry isn't too positive. A number of recent reports and columns are portraying Blackberry (and similar solutions) as time wasting, productivity lowering behemoths that don't deserve to exist.'"

120 comments

  1. Well by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 5, Funny

    If your job is to never think one thought for more than 59 seconds, then yes, the blackberry is a productivity blessing.

    -Grey

    1. Re:Well by amcdiarmid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blackberry (and Good) Devices are good for productivity - assuming you can prioritize.

      1. Some things need to be answered in real time. For Example: Say you oversee Hazardous waste disposal & need to be notified about stuff. (Is it important to move a cleanup team, or is it a soda spill); Say you run a network with automated email for things going wrong. (server down & you need to call the right person)

      2. Some things you just want to keep track of while you are out. You can check them in the taxi on the way back to work. (Client has problem X, if it gets big enough you may have to call - otherwise wait untill you are at the office.)

      Not to say that the same dorks who IM everyone at work all day won't waste time on a crackberry, but there are whole classes of people (managers & consultants) who need to keep tabs on stuff when they are away from the office.

      Personally, I get a lot of business from email referrals. If I wasn't too cheap to pay for the data line on the phone - it would probably help my business expand faster.

      $.02 It's mine and I want it back.

    2. Re:Well by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While what you say is true in principle the reality does not get even close.

      In order to prioritise on BB you need to have perfect or nearly perfect mail delivery filters that are guaranteed to be applied prior to the mail being picked up by BES. Not a single one of the corporate email systems officially supported by BES is even close to fitting this description. Exchange has always been a piece of sh** as far as filtering is concerned (regexps in an exchange filter on a custom field anyone?), Lotus is not much better and Group(un)wise is not far off from either one of these.

      So in reality you get all of your emails, get distracted, interrupted, your concentration broken and after that you can prioritise.

      Err.. No... Thanks... I like to be disturbed only when there is a real emergency. This is best done with an email-to-SMS interface.

      First - it is 20+ times cheaper to run per user.

      Second - it can be made to rely on a single box to run - the mail server. For comparison, BB in order to operate requires your email infrastructure to run properly, your firewall infrastructure to run properly, the Internet connectivity to run properly, BES to run properly, RIM itself to run properly and the GSM operator internet connectivity to run properly. That is a fat and long bill of materials for an emergency warning system. Definitely too long to my liking.

      By the way, out of all obvious targets RIM is the only one yet to be hit with a good oldfashioned DDOS. It will be entertaining to watch the congresscritters jump up and down when it finally happens (provided that you are not the person responsible for running BES in your company).

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    3. Re:Well by MadEE · · Score: 1

      I just have a special email for my wireless devices and simply white list devices or people who I allow to disturb me. I really can't say much about SMS since I had the feature removed once I started getting constantly spammed by it.

    4. Re:Well by operagost · · Score: 1
      Second - it can be made to rely on a single box to run - the mail server.
      Your mail server has built-in cellular service?
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    5. Re:Well by WrongDecision · · Score: 1

      Agree with you 100%. I've been using email to SMS for 7 years now and it fills all of my notification needs and is dependable.

    6. Re:Well by arivanov · · Score: 1

      If it had an PCMCIA it would have been built in. As it does not have one, I have to use a serial to a 5 year old Benefon (write off with a dead battery and broken screen).

      From there on it of course depends on the cellular working, but after all so does BB. It does not depend on the firewall, it does not depend on a separate BES server, it does not depend on the internet working and it does not depend on RIM being alive and not swamped by a fat DDOS. Exactly as I said.

      It took me 40 minutes to write the actual delivery agent and around 20 more minutes to get it interfaced into exim. It has required exactly 0 man minutes of maintenance since for a fourth year running. Compare that to an average BES install and judge for yourself.

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    7. Re:Well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Ah, you mean it's aimed at managers?

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    8. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What the hell are you smoking?? Your arguements don't even make sense!

      There are lots of places to filter e-mail messages for a Blackberry:
      1. Exchange using Server-side Outlook rules
      2. Blackberry Server filter rules
      3. Device side custom profiles allowing different e-mails to have different or no notifications.

      My boss knows that when he sends me an e-mail with EMERGENCY in the subject that my device sounds off no matter what I have it set to. The mailing lists I'm on get filtered at the BES, Company-wide e-mails are always silent, and so on.

      ...it can be made to rely on a single box to run - the mail server. For comparison, BB in order to operate requires your email infrastructure to run properly, your firewall infrastructure to run properly, the Internet connectivity to run properly, BES to run properly, RIM itself to run properly and the GSM operator internet connectivity to run properly. That is a fat and long bill of materials for an emergency warning system. Definitely too long to my liking.


      Ok, so HOW does the SMS message get from your Exchange server to the cell phone exactly? A monkey sitting on the box typing it out on a cell phone? It requires your Mail Server is up, yor firewall is passing data, your mail exchanger is working, your intenet connection is up, the carrier's mail-to-sms gateway is up (THIS is down a lot), and the celluar network is working. The BES adds one step: one of the 4 world-wide RIM NOCs must be up.

      By the way, out of all obvious targets RIM is the only one yet to be hit with a good oldfashioned DDOS. It will be entertaining to watch the congresscritters jump up and down when it finally happens (provided that you are not the person responsible for running BES in your company).


      You don't think that the carrier's mail-to-sms gateway is suseptible to DDOS attacks? You, sir, lack any imagination.

      Blackberries are great tools if you use them right. Hell, it saved my evening just this week by allowing me to fix a problem on a server FROM THE DEVICE, without hunting down a laptop and net connection. Yes, that was 3rd party software, there's lots of it, and full SDKs to develop your own.

      There may be some good arguements against it, but THESE AREN"T IT.
    9. Re:Well by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I just had an epiphany with my BB tonight while shopping with my old lady at the mall today. It's a great device to play games on while aimlessly following her as she trys clothes on. We spent 3 hours at the mall, and it only seemed like 2 and a half.

      I'm definitely keeping the BB.

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    10. Re:Well by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Ok, so HOW does the SMS message get from your Exchange server to the cell phone exactly?"

      He explicitly told he is not using Exchange, but Exim.

      "the carrier's mail-to-sms gateway is up"

      He explictly told he is sending SMSs directly from the Exim box through an old celullar connected to the server's serial port.

      So: He is avoiding Exchange (quite a clever movement); he is avoiding the email-to-SMS gateway; he is avoiding the local Blackberry server, and he is avoiding the worldwide RIM NOC's.

      All of them complex devices/structures (so they go agains the KISS principle, so they are error-prone) and terribly expensive.

      Maybe on *some* situations, blackberry is the way to go, but there are *so* many situations and is the advantage *so* great to cover the great additional expenditures? I bet the answer for the most part is "a big NO".

      Still, they are so cool and seems so modern, most PHB make their pants wet (on the other hand, unix MTA-to-SMS is so ugly and old fashioned... who minds it works for almost nihil?)

    11. Re:Well by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      > Not a single one of the corporate email systems officially supported by BES is even close to
      > fitting this description. Exchange has always been a piece of sh** as far as filtering is
      > concerned

      The BES part of that certainly doesn't fit my experience...

      Setting up mail filters in Outlook is a "wizardy" thing designed to allow even idiots to set up mail filters, and no, it doesn't let you do anything too complicated.

      However, I've not had a problem with the BES honouring "don't sync this folder" after Exchange has done a "move to folder". For example - Spamassassin marks stuff as spam on the way in, Exchange is told to move stuff so marked into a "spam" folder, and that doesn't get sent to the device.

      There were historically issues like this with the BES version for Novell Groupwise - I don't know if they've been fixed or not yet, and I can't comment about Domino, so you could be correct there.

      While email-to-SMS might work for you, I wouldn't assume that you'll always get those SMSes immediately . Having relied on this for some time in the past for server emergency messages it's fair to say there will be occasions (albeit rare) when you don't get "that important SMS" for a couple of hours or so.

    12. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK - but from out in the field how do you know that the Benefon still has a signal?

  2. Lowering productivity? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought the Blackberry wasn't popular because it made you stay wired to your job even when you went out with your family and stuff.

    1. Re:Lowering productivity? by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 1

      Nobody forces you to take your blackberry when you go out, nor do they force you to have it on.

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    2. Re:Lowering productivity? by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought the Blackberry wasn't popular because it made you stay wired to your job even when you went out with your family and stuff.

      That's funny, I thought that's the reason it is popular. What proper capitalist lets his family get in the way of work?

      -Grey

    3. Re:Lowering productivity? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read your employment contract. It is becoming increasingly common that they do.

      Hell, even before the ubiquitously wired age I once lost an instore commission sales job because I didn't spend my time off the clock just sitting by the landline waiting for them to call me in to fill in for somebody.

      Or course I thanked them profusely for letting me go. . .

      KFG

    4. Re:Lowering productivity? by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Increased time on the job does not innately translate into increased productivity.

      The idea that it does is the single greatest idiocy of the modern business age, producing such braindead corollaries as thinking that saving half a second per mouse click actually means you spend 2 more minutes a day doing productive work.

      Human productivity is entirely dependant on human factors, not machine factors, and humans are notoriously variable, even chaotic, in their behavior.

      At best they get tired, at worst they have this shit called "feelings."

      KFG

    5. Re:Lowering productivity? by ThreeE · · Score: 0

      Yes, those evil capitalists. Screw them for providing us this prosperity.

    6. Re:Lowering productivity? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      a few things that will help that kind of thing

      1 about every fortnight or so have the battery on your BB give out and then charge it
      WITH YOUR BB OFF

      2 turn in your employer to OSHA for a workplace hazard (obviously if you have been "on call"/ working for 80+ hours straight its unhealthy)

      3 bring you kids to work if you get called when you are doing something with them
      (Your subteen daughter is such an angel she wouldn't disturb anything >:-))

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    7. Re:Lowering productivity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent= Humorless upper middle class middle age white male who thinks he is "oppressed" and "discriminated against" in a conspiracy between "the left" and "those uppity coloreds."

    8. Re:Lowering productivity? by weg · · Score: 1

      What proper capitalist lets his family...


      Family?? Which family?? Who are this kids and why do they call me dad?
      --
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    9. Re:Lowering productivity? by Aceticon · · Score: 1

      As someone which has worked as a software developer under both a "8 hours a day, 5 days a week" system and a "10+ hours a day 5-7 days a week depending on how lucky you are" one i can categorically state that the first is at least twice (maybe more) times more productive than the last.

      Overworking makes for tired people, tired people make many more bugs than rested people. Bug solving can cost up to 10000x more man-hours that doing it properly in the first place.
      (No kidding, bugs that go all the way to production can be REALLY THAT COSTLY to fix)

      In other words, a couple of bugs done by a tired developer can easilly wipe out any (theoretical) gains to be had by having him work an extra 4 hours a day for many months.

      Additionaly, software made by stressed people, because it has way more hacks and inconsistencies that software done by people with clear ideas and rested minds, ages way much faster than software done by rested people. This means that in the long run it will faster reach the stage were maintaining it is more costly than just writting it up again from scratch.

      Still, giving the quality of many of the managers in this industry, i'm hardly surprised that any productivity affecting relations which either require more than one mental step to figure out (as in long ours = tired people = more bugs = more time lost) or are not directly measurable (workers level of tireness, workers motivation) almost ALWAYS are ignored with by comparisson to in-your-face productivity affecting relations (more hours worked = more work done) and or easeally measureble factors (how long are people at work).

      The good news (for many of us) is that this is mostly a cultural problem - in the country were i am working at now (Holland) overworking is actually the exception, NOT the rule.

  3. Defence? by onion2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article basically says three things:

    1. People use their Blackberrys too much.
    2. People don't need to be on call 24/7.
    3. People who do use the Blackberrys alot and are on call all day are workoholics.

    So there we have it. *Clearly* a Blackberry makes me a more productive worker because .. err .. no, sorry, there were no reasons stated. It just does coz it's ace or something.

    I really hope the author never has cause to defend me on anything.

    1. Re:Defence? by kah13 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Agreed. And how did this poor excuse for news get past the /. editor? If there were indeed a set of recient articles, could a better one have been chosen for a link? This one was poorly thought out and argued from the perspective of "I think its wrong, so its wrong..."

      Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    2. Re:Defence? by slofstra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, because of your BlackBerry you could: 1. Read the paper and have an extra coffee in the morning, because if there was an emergency at the office that morning it would be on your BlackBerry. 2. Program your Blackberry so it blacks out certain hours. 3. Buffer requests (compared to the telephone) - let it ring and look at it when you finish certain tasks. Notwithstanding all this, the article is not wrong, but the issue is more a matter of developing social norms and etiquette around Blackberry use, as around cell phone use, as around television use. For example, it's now considered improper in many social circles to have the television running while socializing - not so years ago. Some individuals have a social sensitivity and deal considerately and properly with new technology. For others, it takes social pressure to behave properly (boors and bosses, particularly). It's a learning process for society, and this has little to do with the BlackBerry technology per se. But discussion and articles of this nature are enormously valuable in establishing social etiquette.

    3. Re:Defence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      it's cooltechzone. they've got quite a collection of these... well... filler stories going now.

      can anyone find something at cooltechzone.com that's actually readable, or even perhaps informative?

      or is cooltechzone.com just run by a /. editor's kid or something?

    4. Re:Defence? by Shelled · · Score: 1
      It was nowhere near that kind. The entire article was an ad hominem diatribe targeting Blackberry users. The author included a few disengenuous statements to make the content appear fair and balanced, the typical qualifiers such "any user who types 24/7", which immediately and promptly became non sequitors as the text picked up its thread against all users. A few simple quotes which raise my suspicion Gundeep Hora doesn't spend much time away from his mouse:

      "The feeling surrounding the melodrama comes from infuriated family members and bystanders who regularly observe and patiently deal with those busy enough to utilize the Blackberry. Due to this excessive usage, mobile users apparently feel hectically busy and except empathy, while leaving others flamingly frustrated."

      Yes Gundeep, the Blackberry is to draw your empathy, it's all about the need to impress you.

      "Since tier one executives are "required" to be in touch due to the criticality of their professions, no one needs to be on 24/7."

      Does that parse? What does it mean? Are Tier 1's 'no one'? Incidentally, I've been on call for over two decades. In some industries it's the norm.

      "...innocent people who are experiencing side effects .... the user is addicted ...depicts signs of workaholism...."

      Right. It's an illness, a source of great pain to family and loved ones, second-hand 'Blackberraholism'. Or maybe Mail Molester? Who thinks of the children?

      His strongest argument seems to be his job as 'editor' of an Nth-rate unknown tech site has no use for the power and convenience of the device, and it's the source of no little resentment. I think Gundeep would also be horrified to discover many have jobs which take them away from the computer monitor's safe and comforting glow. Those of use out here with real, multiple and ever expanding responsibilites find the device/concept a godsend.

  4. It also breeds rudeness by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if you thought cell phones caused people to be rude, blackberrys surpass that effect greatly.

    They should be totally banned in situations like meetings, or at a grocery.

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    1. Re:It also breeds rudeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you own a grocery?

    2. Re:It also breeds rudeness by dtk13 · · Score: 1, Funny

      I cant tell you how many times I wanted to take one from someone and through it at their face. I was on a chairlift once, middle of winter, some guy is emailing on his blackberry. These things are just stupid.

    3. Re:It also breeds rudeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's 'THROW'.

      Quite clearly the terrible articles that Slashdot is linking to recently is retarding people's grammatical abilities.

  5. I find them to be distracting... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few people in our organization have them and I find them (the devices) to be somewhat distracting. During meetings, I see coworkers constantly, not so covertly, glancing down to IM someone, read their mail, or mostly check stock quotes. However, I suppose this is mostly a cultural issue. Here in North America, that would be considered rude. When I'm in China, I notice that people don't think twice about stopping mid-sentence to take a call or read an incoming IM. When I asked a few people about the practice, they seemed genuinely puzzled by the question and said that it wasn't considered rude or out of the ordinary at all. So I guess the answer is "it depends on where you are." :-)

    1. Re:I find them to be distracting... by bwalling · · Score: 1

      A few people in our organization have them and I find them (the devices) to be somewhat distracting. During meetings, I see coworkers constantly, not so covertly, glancing down to IM someone, read their mail, or mostly check stock quotes.

      Then don't be so boring when you're talking to them! In some meetings, I hope and pray that something comes through on my Blackberry.

    2. Re:I find them to be distracting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps that person isn't the one doing the talking...

  6. cheap shot by xusr · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...and I hop I nevr need you forr an editor...

    ;-) just kidding, of course. Solid points on TFA.

  7. Disclosure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Blackberry (and similar solutions) as time wasting, productivity lowering behemoths

    Shouldn't Slashdot disclose its interest in this story as a rival time wasting, productivity lowering behemoth?

    1. Re:Disclosure? by charlesnw · · Score: 1

      Oh man! Thats awesome! I laughed for like 30 seconds on that one!

      --
      Charles Wyble System Engineer
  8. as a Blackberry admin... by CheechBG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can tell you that these things are a pain in the ass. Not so much from a technology standpoint, but mainly from the users. I get calls all the time: "My blackberry didn't receive this email in 2.3 seconds, the system is down, FIX THIS NOW!!!"

    There is a certain threshold that exists between productive and slave. Slavery, indentured or not, exists when you are inextricably bound to your employer, and have to respond immediately to his commands, on demand, 24/7. At least in my office, with most of the BB users, that line has been crossed.

    From a technology standpoint, Blackberry Enterprise Server isn't really THAT bad, I just wish there would be more QA from RIM's developers. Hotfixes and service packs come out far too often, but at least they are trying.

    1. Re:as a Blackberry admin... by DerGeist · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Your comments on slavery are spot-on. In America we've become willingly enslaved to the Almighty Dollar. Vacation time is considered precious and isn't offered nor taken as much as it should be anymore. Some think it's a bad sign to take vacation since it will give the impression you're somehow "lazy." Holidays are rarely paid for any reasonable period of time, and there's never such a thing as a "hiatus" (except maybe at Intel) where you can spend a few months of your life actually enjoying the money you're driving yourself into a grave to make. It's sad, it seems like Americans forgot how to live a long time ago, and other countries are catching up.

      Please note I am not saying this problem is localized entirely within America, it is just the country I'm most familiar with and hence most qualified to speak about.

      (Note to all those who have the idea of a "lazy" American: Americans are not lazy. They work too much and then watch TV until they fall asleep because their energy is gone, eat fast food because they're working too hard to have time to cook, and are generally always in a rush to do everything. Just try driving next to one ;-) )

    2. Re:as a Blackberry admin... by Narc · · Score: 1
      I can tell you that these things are a pain in the ass. Not so much from a technology standpoint, but mainly from the users. I get calls all the time: "My blackberry didn't receive this email in 2.3 seconds, the system is down, FIX THIS NOW!!!"


      Age old case of luser error more than anything else. ;)

    3. Re:as a Blackberry admin... by arivanov · · Score: 1

      I will second that.

      I have observed that on multiple occasions.

      When I roll out an improvement to the antispam systems the BB users complain to the BB admin that the system is broken.

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    4. Re:as a Blackberry admin... by xTantrum · · Score: 1

      too busy making a living they forgot to make a life. amen brother.

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    5. Re:as a Blackberry admin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, BES is that bad. Every time I go to add a new user I basically have to call RIM and get the latest hotfix. The management interface crashes any time you try to do anything remotely complex, and weird, untracable errors (like one user being unable to sync his contacts, another only sees half his calendar entries) are the norm.

  9. Article Written On a BlackBerry? by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, this is one of the worst written articles I have ever seen. Maybe it was typed on a BlackBerry?

    The article says that having a BlackBerry means being on call 24/7, which surely must result in a dip in productivity, and annoy your family and friends. The article concludes by saying that people addicted to their BlackBerry are in the advanced stages of workaholism, and that isn't the tools fault.

    I am a BlackBerry user, and I can say, without hesitation, that is is a great tool, and depends completely on how you use it. I used to carry a RIM pager and a phone, and am very happy to now have one device. I love having my outlook calendar available easily. It has helped me avoid missing many meetings. Having the ability to read email is nice, as well as get buzzed for high priority issues. Finally, I like the fact that contacts sync with my desktop, and that I can dial a number on the phone that was sent in an email or meeting request.

    One major problem is the default configuration for BlackBerries, which buzzes every time a message is received. This invites users to constantly read messages, and become addicted to instantly replying. I turned that feature off in the first two or three days I had mine, and have been much happier since.

    Another issue is that reading lots of text on a small screen can be difficult. Sometimes I have problems getting through an email, only to see it later at my desk, and discover it is much easier to read. But this is a convenience versus readability thing.

    In all, the BlackBerry is pretty neat tool. It can help people who use it sensibly, and it can cause workaholics to turn into monsters.

    1. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      It is an extremely badly written article. Another example:

      "Since tier one executives are "required" to be in touch due to the criticality of their professions, no one needs to be on 24/7. It's humanly impossible"

      What does that mean? How is "no one needs to be on 24/7 a consequence of executives being required to do something?

    2. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by uncadonna · · Score: 1

      agree. I wandered the site a bit and found a lot more stuff that read like the author was given ten minutes to write the article, and that all that mattered was word count. I can't believe a human editor recommended this article or this site. The content is zero.

      Want to talk about productivity? Don't waste my time with noise like this. Slashdot editors, your job is to find the important stories, remember? Finding noise is easy.

      --
      mt
    3. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by WrongDecision · · Score: 1

      It is VERY poorly written. My rule is, whenever I hit the first speed bump (mispellings, improper word usage "except" instead of "expect", poor grammar, illogical structure, etc.) in an article, I hit the back button. My chopped and lowered Logitech 380SX just can't take those speed bumps, let alone my sorry gray matter.

    4. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by AngryNick · · Score: 1
      It is an extremely badly written article.

      I don't know...I kind of like how the author cunningly used filler and overly descriptive phrases excessively to make for a complicated, yet thoughtlessly provoking, statement of nothingnessnessly:

      "Due to this excessive usage, mobile users apparently feel hectically busy and except empathy, while leaving others flamingly frustrated.

      Pure art.

    5. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by geeber · · Score: 1

      Even better, if you click on the author's name you will find that Gundeep Hora is the Editor-in-Chief of CoolTechZone. Zoinks! I think the Editor-in-Chief needs an editor. Perhaps one of the Slashdot editors could help him out.

    6. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's how I deal with my Blackberry: Number one, it's always on buzz. Makes it easier to ignore. Number two, if I'm in a meeting, need to focus on something, or there is something that is a priority, the Blackberry is silent. Yes, I occasionally forget to turn it back on immediately, but that's very rarely a problem.

      This leaves me with a device that notifies me of stuff when I want to, gives me the ability to always be in touch (when people pay 7 figures for your software, they expect to have someone they can bitch out if something goes wrong), and makes downtime actually productive (you'd be amazed how annoying the bus trips from the airport to the car lot become if you do it more than once a week).

      Here's the important thing: I switch the damn thing off if it bugs me. I'm its master, not the other way around. Anybody who complains that the Blackberry doesn't let them focus has not grasped that concept.

      --
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    7. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by Stevecrox · · Score: 1

      See I Live in the UK and the blackberry has never really appeared over here, but i have to ask myself why it seems every American needs one, or loves one.

      Why not use a phone? Lets look at some of the Nokias, a Nokia 6600, will send emails, it will recieve SMS's, it can make phone calls and keep everything in your Outlook calender folder on itself. Thats all a blackberry does isn't it? Now thats an old phone using two, three year old technology. So why is a blackberry twice its size? You might say for the keyboard, but then lets look at PDA phones what about the O2's XDA range or Oranges M range these run windows mobile are dirt cheap do everything above and more, the newer ones are smaller, lighter and more attractive than those butt ugly crackberrys. Please don't say Windows Mobile is hard to use either its based visually on windows and so for john idiot should be very intuative. I'll admit it can be a little unstable requiring to be reset every once and a while but then no datas lost because of that.

      Also on the plus side the fact you need to spend two seconds effort in sending your message, through Msn Messenger or the Symbian equivilent, might help the productivity because most people won't be tempted to do frivilous IM's,SMS if it takes more than half a second of thought. Of course don't get me wrong millions of teenagers do, however if a company just pays the monthly contract then an employee is going to be a little more carefull.

      Finally, on a phone (PDA or Symbian) if you want to check your messages you have to open the email folder up and hit send and recieve, thus allowing you not to be buzzed every ten seconds, and yet keeping upto date.

      Why create a new range of devices when there are already a bunch of existing ones doing a better job and allowing for increased productivness. Please don't say they don't exist in america either as i know they do

    8. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by jojo1835 · · Score: 1

      All I can say is, you've apparently never used one. I've had two generations of the BB... an older, Black one with a full keyboard, and I currently have a fancy new silver one with a call and hangup button, and a full keyboard. It's literally given me back two hours a day. I travel a lot, and often drive for day trips to meet with customers. When I'm stopped for lunch, or waiting to go into a meeting, I can catch up on email, surf the web, IM with co-workers. I'm more productive, and I get more done. The device is built from the ground up to support those tasks. The OS is rock solid, it's fast, easy to use, without a damn stupid touch screen.

      The best part is when I get home. I check the BB one last time for urgent email, then I turn the thing off. But, because I know I'm caught up for the day, I don't have to crawl into my office, sync email, check my calendar, etc. I can instead go play with my daughters, relax with my wife, eat dinner, hang out. No pressure, since I know that I got what I needed to done for the day. Then, when everyone is down for the night, I can turn it back on and confirm my schedule for tomorrow. No fuss, no laptop, no wifi, no nothing. Just get what I need to get done and go to bed.

      It's the ultimate productivity booster for me. I can see people being frustrated if they go off in meetings. As far as I'm concerned, it's no more or less rude than taking a cell phone call during a meeting. I always turn mine on silent before I go in, and would never dare to answer it if I forgot to do so and received an email or call.

      Just my $.02. My wife loves it, because it keeps me from working at night, and it keeps me on time for my important meetings.

      Tim

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    9. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by Stevecrox · · Score: 1

      I'll admit i haven't used a blackberry but for university work and the like I did look at blackberrys and decided they were out of date. I got a Orange m5000 free with my contract (unlike the blackberry which costs money) this has a keyboard, mega pixel camera and built in wireless facility.Everywhere i go within university I can sit down open it up and start doing coursework in excel/word use a few pocket apps that are relevent, and then log on through the universities wireless and check my (exchange) email. To top it off it came with Msn Messenger installed, I have only handled a Crackberry never used it, but i know my m5000 is slighty smaller and has a keybaord thats much much bigger, it has windows media player 10 so that gig card can act as my MP3 player, It handles text messages video messages wonderfully, Good quality camera (not 5 megapixel proper camera quality but surprisingly good none the less) and works very closely to my pc so It took me a new user to windows mobile all of 2 seconds to understand and customise. Mixed with all the proper phone compatibility and that handy thing GPRS i can use it anywhere, (Skype calls are fun!)

      So you have the PPC range of phones which are smaller, do the job better than a blackberry and more importantly cheaper, the fact that they allow you to integrate a whole range of other devices is just something helpful i mean i liked carrying around a specific MP3 player, digital camera and gps device. They also operate with existing company hardware (My university has made no modifications to their exchange server to allow PDA users to access it) and don't really require much in the way of care, what makes a blackberry so much better? They were in the UK competing with the O2 XDA when they first came out, PPC's have come one enormously since the XDA I don't think the blackberry has.

    10. Re:Article Written On a BlackBerry? by ksiddique · · Score: 1

      Here's the important thing: I switch the damn thing off if it bugs me. I'm its master, not the other way around. Anybody who complains that the Blackberry doesn't let them focus has not grasped that concept.

      Amen! I'm tired of hearing complaints from people who don't seem to understand that there's an off button.

  10. Blackberry is part of the problem by murdocj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my last job, people in our parent office were addicted to various forms of "multitasking" including reading their email during meetings, answering the blackberries, etc. The only problem was that they weren't multitasking, they were unitasking and not paying attention to the current situation, which meant that the meeting was useless. They seemed to be incapable for focusing on a single topic for more than a couple of minutes.

    The funniest thing was when the uber-development boss, who was the worst offender, both in showing up late to meetings and not paying attention, decided that his particular meeting was critical and that laptops, blackberries, etc would be forbidden. Of course, then he pulled out his blackberry at the first meeting.

    1. Re:Blackberry is part of the problem by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Blackberries aren't the problem as much as it is the people who abuse them. Remember, Blackberries don't annoy people; inconsiderate people annoy people. Case in point. Once I had a job interview at a law firm. Not to toot my own horn too much, but I'm one of the more well-qualified candididates on the IP law market. (Top five, uh, top four, law school, Slashdot poster, yadda yadda.) Interviewer is a bigwig, head of IP litigation, etc. Anyway, we shake hands and then he almost immediately excuses himself and starts hacking away on his Blackberry. I sit there for about five minutes. I finish my drink, then I get up, thank him for his time, and leave. Query: Would he have pulled the same thing with a cell phone if he didn't have a Blackberry? All signs point to yes.

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    2. Re:Blackberry is part of the problem by murdocj · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Blackberries aren't the problem as much as it is the people who abuse them

      But Blackberries seem to invite abuse. It's true that people who are jerks (such as my former uber-boss) would be a jerk with any technology, but there were other people who might have paid attention if they didn't have this device strapped to their hips that was constantly bothering them.

    3. Re:Blackberry is part of the problem by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      So...did you get the job?

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    4. Re:Blackberry is part of the problem by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Do you think he wanted the job? If his horn-tooting was accurate he probably didn't need it. So why would he work for a jackass? He probably thinks of it in terms of whether the job got him.

  11. Email vs. IM/PushEmail by Britz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, Pushemail is not email in the traditional sense. Email was like mail. When you wanted to your mail you started your Pine, queried your pop3 server and got your mail (this changed a bit with imap and instant notification I must admit, but many non technical people still fire up their email app whenever they feel like it and don't use notification stuff on their desktop).

    IM on the other hand is much different, because you get the message (if you have your IM turned on) the instant someone sends it. Like a telephone call.

    Pushemail is the same. It is more like SMS than email. Many mobile devices also have email now in the traditional sense.

    Even though PushEmail is different you still get emails that people send with the email state of urgency in mind. When I need something now I would use a telephone call or an SMS text message or IM. When I write longer messages with lower urgency I use email. I think many people use that the same way. That is why I certainly can see why pushemail could reduce productivity with people on the receiving end that just can't get their priorities straight (I think I would have a hard time keeping myself doing what I was doing when the Blackberry just went off, but I don't own one).

    Maybe people should just turn off the push feature.

    1. Re:Email vs. IM/PushEmail by croddy · · Score: 1
      When you say "Push Email", all I hear is "Opening connection to remote mail host on port 25".

      The claim that this is an evolution over POP'ing your mail down from the mail host is ... well ... characteristic of someone who's not used to being informed at his shell prompt that he has new mail waiting over in /var/spool ...

      Seriously, now. This is just a pocket-sized mail host. Email has been "pushed" to a remote machine for ages and ages.

    2. Re:Email vs. IM/PushEmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that different than leaving outlook or thunderbird open and having it query the server periodically for your email. You get a ding as soon as the mail comes in, same as PushEmail?

  12. If i owned a grocery - by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Id put a sign out on the door: "no cell phone or blackberry useage unless its an emergency".

    And no, ' honey, was that 1 or 2 pounds of burger?' is not an emergency.

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    1. Re:If i owned a grocery - by operagost · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. What's so mystical about shopping that you can't be bothered by people using cell phones or blackberries? Do you get annoyed when people talk to each other? Or punch prices into a calculator? If I'm getting on the phone for 5 seconds to ask whether I need to get bread, is that really a problem? If so, I'll be going to your competitor.

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    2. Re:If i owned a grocery - by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      That would be your choice, much as my choice as the owner to enact the rule.

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    3. Re:If i owned a grocery - by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

      That's cool. I'll just shop somewhere else. My spouse often emails me a grocery list while I'm at work and I use my BlackBerry to read the list in the store. Why is that offensive? I still stop and chat up friends and neighbors when I see them there.

    4. Re:If i owned a grocery - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when I can't remember if I need 1 or 2 pounds of hamburger, my choice to leave, make the call and go to another store that doesn't have such pointless rules.

    5. Re:If i owned a grocery - by HyperHyper · · Score: 1

      I can see why you would want the them banned... A small percentage ruin it for the rest as usual.

      When it comes to cell phones and Treos (sorry, I love the touchscreen) - I try to follow these rules. Why you ask? Well, I see other people doing the opposite and it irks me and many other around me. So to counter that, I try to lead by example.

      1) If you are on the cell phone, there is no need to raise your voice 2x as loud than your regular face to face conversations.

      2) While WAITING in line, it's okay to be on the phone. When you get to the cashier, then it's not okay to be on the phone (Cashiers usually tell me thanks when I hang up as I get to the cash).

      3) When you are with family and friends, make them your priority. Nothing tells them they are not important when you take a call or check for email that you didn't need to - that's what voicemail and email is for (unless you are waiting for an important call/email - eg. Job offer or House counter-offer. No, waiting for the Lottery corporation to call is not valid.)

      4) No texting/messaging in meetings. We have a rule in our meetings - Anyone caught emailng in a meeting is usually ridiculed (manager included) and they owe $1 to a jar that is used for pizzas and beer.

      Open to debate of course. ;)

  13. In my case, it saves me time...Read on! by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my case, it saves me time in one way. My team run an application on it that allows us to work with helpdesk tickets with a "real-time" connection back to the office. If not for my Blackberry, I'd have to make a phone call and setup my laptop. Both of which take signicantly more time for most tasks.
    I also like the over-the-air sync'ing of contacts. I care nothing about the rest of the Blackberry specific features, and my particular handheld sucks as a phone. My company is deploying a new model which is suppose to be more phone-friendly. I hope so.

    Later,
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  14. Blackberry by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Funny

    And here I thought the problem with them is that when people read your email, all they can seem to respond with is:

    Hmmm
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    Sent from my Blackberry Wireless Handheld


    Like we couldn't tell that it was sent from a device on which it is a pain to type! BTW, it was really hard to post this because good old Slashdot couldn't manage to use the "Humor" filter and kept inflicting me with the "lameness" one because of too many junk characters... If only the people sending those inane notes on their Blackberries would encounter that same "lameness" filter!

  15. Outdate Technology... a good user interface! by n-6.net · · Score: 2, Funny

    Research in motion uses outdate technology, that is tide at the hip to their servers with a pin. I.e. when their servers go down so dose the blackberry e-mail, the fact the devices dose not have a master rest is also a problem. Trio 650 dose not have this problem nor do most of the smart phones and other wireless PDA on the market. This is not to mention the fact RIM see no need to add an external flash drives on their device. The biggest claim to fame is their track wheel. Witch is a lot more functional then a pen for email. The fact they were first to market with a solid interface is the only reason they have the lead they do. If they do not innovate they will die, and in that regard there is little hope of that. I actively encourage IT departments to look away from BB as a solution if they can avoid it. Only because of installed base dose it makes senses to invest in this ball and chain.

    1. Re:Outdate Technology... a good user interface! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you flunked grammar school didn't you?

    2. Re:Outdate Technology... a good user interface! by jgoemat · · Score: 1

      [sings "Grammar School Dropout" to the tune of "Beauty School Dropout" from Grease...]

  16. Blackberries: a management problem! by vrochette · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's my view: People with blackberries get connected in such a way that they become part of the network, part of the enterprise hive mind. I can't believe that for any company, information is so critical that it needs 24/7 user awareness. I think this is becoming a management problem. Companies must be able to manage their human resources so they don't have to rely on just a few crackberry people to run the whole operation. You'll also find Blackberries--and other mobile devices and applications--cause people to concentrate less on issues. By being always available, the risk is to lose the ability to find time to focus hard on problems. You are swamped with a never ending flow of emails, to which you respond by quick-fix, short answers, not always effective.

    1. Re:Blackberries: a management problem! by PunkPig · · Score: 1

      Email itself is a management problem. There are a lot of people at my office that will send an email and then anywhere from 0-15 minutes later they are coming over to my desk or calling me expecting that I have read their email and want answers.

    2. Re:Blackberries: a management problem! by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1
      I can't believe that for any company, information is so critical that it needs 24/7 user awareness. I think this is becoming a management problem. Companies must be able to manage their human resources so they don't have to rely on just a few crackberry people to run the whole operation.

      I work in international shipping. If one of my trucks is on its way to the harbor hours before a deadline and gets a flat tire, I need a replacement truck immediately. If this container misses the boat and the customer demands that I ship on an airplane, the additional (unrecoverable) cost to me can be anywhere from $20k - $45k depending on the destination. Since the potential cost being unable to reach me is $20,000+ I am most definitely required to be on-call 24/7.

      In theory, you are right - I could delegate responsibilities and details but the time it would take to do so and the quality of the information hand-off is not efficient. In the above scenario, many factors are weighed: How close are we to deadline? Can we get more time? Does this customer need this product immediately? Can we divert product from another customer? Do we make enough profit on this account to absorb the airfreight cost? Are any other trucks available? Can we just get a mechanic? etc. There are so many details that it is nearly impossible to pass information to my counterpart and expect that person to intimately understand the details in case a problem should arise. And since ultimately it is my account all decisions are ultimately my responsibility. If my counterpart makes an unwise decision because he was not properly briefed on every detail, it could be very costly. And my counterpart could always check with me to make sure he is making the right decision, but then we are back to me being on-call 24/7.

      This is just one scenario where being on-call can save thousands of dollars if something goes wrong. Now, how about nurses & doctors? If they cannot be reached it could mean permanent changes to somebody's life or even the loss of that life.

      I love my Blackberry because it allows me to be on-call 24/7 without having to respond to every message. If somebody calls my cel phone I cannot just ignore the phone call. I either have to answer every call or check every voicemail and respond as appropriate. The Blackberry allows me to know at-a-glance whether or not something is urgent.

  17. Get Some Sleep! by comforteagle · · Score: 1

    If you get a good night's sleep... all this distraction, multi-tasking, can't concentrate non-sense begins taking care of itself. Sleep-o-nauts wanted!

  18. Displaced blame. by blair1q · · Score: 1

    It's not the device, it's the communicating.

  19. Pretty Weak by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
    ...If the person is on call throughout the day, the productivity would surely dip and we would have burnout symptoms as stress builds up.

    With that said, innocent people who are experiencing side effects must realize that it's not Blackberry's fault that the user is addicted and depicts signs of workaholism all of a sudden. Just because the user can't control his habit and wants to be on call nearly every waking moment is not the device's fault. Blackberry was designed to be a productivity tool and it has helped numerous (as the usage trend inclines) users resolve critical matters within minutes because of Blackberry.
    ...
    As with many devices, there are pros and cons, but excessive Blackberry usage depicts the con in the user, not the tool. It's unfortunate that a select few users can't seem to keep their fingers of the device and unnecessarily attend messages when they could be doing something better, but that's not the case. However, it's simply not appropriate to blame the device when it's the user who's clearly the problem.
    ...If the person is on heroin throughout the day, the productivity would surely dip and we would have burnout symptoms as stress builds up.

    With that said, innocent people who are experiencing side effects must realize that it's not heroin's fault that the user is addicted and depicts signs of workaholism all of a sudden. Just because the user can't control his habit and wants to be on drugs nearly every waking moment is not the drug's fault. Heroin was designed to be a productivity tool and it has helped numerous (as the usage trend inclines) users resolve critical matters within minutes because of heroin.
    ...
    As with many devices, there are pros and cons, but excessive heroin usage depicts the con in the user, not the tool. It's unfortunate that a select few users can't seem to keep their fingers of[f] the drug and unnecessarily attend getting high when they could be doing something better, but that's not the case. However, it's simply not appropriate to blame the drug when it's the user who's clearly the problem.

    I picked heroin because... crack cocaine doesn't have any redeeming medical usage, though straight up powdered cocaine does. Some people can manage their BlackBerry/Heroin habits quite well & still contribute quite well to their work and home lives. Others burnout, crash or prostitue themselves for the next hit.

    When you're on the inside, it is usually very hard to see a problem as it builds up until it reaches a crisis. The very nature of heroin/BlackBerries will utterly fsck with your priorities. Gundeep Hora (Editor-in-Chief of cooltechzone) doesn't seem to know what a psychological addiction is.
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    1. Re:Pretty Weak by xTantrum · · Score: 1

      that was nice! i liked that. i wasted all my mod points earliar but here's one if i did have them: +2 funny

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  20. Re:RTFM by MikeB0Lton · · Score: 0

    Why is the parent modded up? Just because a pager suits your needs doesn't make you an expert on the device. Sounds like the BlackBerry isn't for you, but I find it quite useful. I find it fairly flexible, and with email filtering on the device, you can do just about anything. If you want a message only in emergency, set a filter for priority and adjust your profile for level 1 messaging. Don't want to be bothered for a while? Change your profile to one that won't annoy you for each email. It doesn't HAVE to vibrate every time you get a message... In short, RTFM and change some settings. Make the device work for your situation.

  21. You think it's rude to talk to people in public? by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They should be totally banned in situations like meetings, or at a grocery.

    You are kidding me, right? You don't want me to call my wife while I'm grocery shopping. This is different from me chatting with her in the grocery store? Perhaps you think talking in public is rude and that we should all silently keep to ourselves, heads down, like convicts.

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  22. Cmdr Taco! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
    You're not supposed to be an editor and a moderator at the same time!

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  23. Re:You think it's rude to talk to people in public by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Actually, blabing away in public is rude.

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  24. Technical and restraint issues are not the same by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

    I did not say it was worthwhile to run a good/crack server. I said if you have restraint it's not a time waster.

    The Technical issues are not that hard, albiet not cheap either. s far as filtering: At least on good, if your exchange account is setup with filter rules and subfolders, so will your goodlink device.

    Restraint is the ability to decide not to look at something when there is nothing to do about it. If you have it, having a crack device is not a time waster: This means NOT LOOKING AT EMAIL DURING DINNER, or at other times when you either 1) cannot reasonably respond - or 2) have no one to respond to.

    Most people who use their crack devices reasonably do not look at email, or stocks in the office: THEY USE THEIR COMPUTERS AND ORGANIZE THEIR TIME. Then they look at the email and mark it all read. When away from the office they iGNORE EMAIL UNLESS THEY WANT TO CHECK it: their general assumption is if it is important - someone will call.

    My theory is based on several clients who use these devices and how they function with them. Some are sh*ts, and some are good. The complainant to my note of how blackberries actually get used whined about the technical side of the issue. A completely different question - leading me to suspect that they are questionably technical capible. (As an idiot, I have set up several Goodlink servers, and several Crackberries that do not interoperate with corporate email - except for redirection to the crackmail server. With few problems.)

  25. Article reads like a high school essay by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, maybe college Freshman English. No justification, all opinion.

  26. notification; Palm; brand name by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    My notification of e-mail is off. it doesn't ring, vibrate, etc. just blinks.
    I check it from time to time. Some special e-mail notifies, but that's different.
    Lots of filtering and prioritizing.

    Those people that depend on it as their e-mail readers are idiots.

    How is it any WORSE than Palm or any other daytimer device? Or daytime device with e-mail? They're not ratting the blackberry- the solution in general and they're calling it Blackberry. It's like calling inline skates 'Rollerblades' or tissues Kleenex.

    -M

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  27. It's not the BB - it's the meetings by billybob_jcv · · Score: 1

    Maybe if the meetings weren't filled with gas bags blithering on and wasting my time, I might actually want to pay attention. An hour of Texas Hold'em is *WAY* more productive than anything going on in the conference room.

  28. You mean... by Caduceus1 · · Score: 1

    "A number of recent reports and columns are portraying Blackberry (and similar solutions) as time wasting, productivity lowering behemoths that don't deserve to exist."

    You mean, like, say, the Internet? :)

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  29. terse = good by PMuse · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'll say this for the blackberry: it has improved our email culture. Email messages from blackberry users are shorter no matter where they send them from. Where I used to get:
    After considering your suggestion that you do a . . . [two paragraph redundant description of my proposal] . . . , I have decided that this is a necessary step, despite the associated expense. You should begin right away. This is a top priority item that should be done before the other tasks you are currently working on.
    Now I get:
    Yes. ASAP.
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  30. Look at me! I'm important! by Wilf_Brim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Blackberry has become the latest in a long line of technology devices that some use to prop up a threatened sense of self worth. First, we had the pager. Then, when every plumber's brother had a pager, we moved to big, huge, analog cell phones. Then smaller digital cell phones. Now we have Blackberries and SmartPhones with push email. Almost all the time when I recieve an email with the "Sent from my Blackberry...." it is in response to something quite inane, and easily could (and probably should) have waited until they were back at the office. But merely sending it fairly screams, "See, look at me! I'm so important that I can RSVP to the office party from my Blackberry!!" Taking the Blackberry out at a meeting is sort of the newest method of corporate dominance display. See, I'm dominant over you, so I can check my Blackberry in this meeting, which I (being the alpha geek) decreed to be blackberry free. Given the difficulties and limited appeal of push email, I don't think these will become as democratized as pagers (does anybody still use those anymore?) and cell phones have become. There will, however, become another item which will supplant the Blackberry as the corporate dominance display.

  31. Most certainly. by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    I keep trying to tell my boss that these constant interruptions are draining my productivity. That damn telephone device keeps going off, and then I have to talk to some customer about fulfilling *their* trivial needs. What about the company's needs? If only we could get rid of all these customers, I'd be able to get everything I need to get done in 1/4 of the time!

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  32. Article is silly... by RichardtheSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article is silly and lacks any depth of understanding of the real
    issues.

    In the 80's you had to be near a landline phone and only a small
    handful of people in academics and the research community used email.

    In the 90's if you worked in IT and spent a non-trivial amount of time
    on the road or on-call, you had to carry a pocket pager *and* a cell
    phone. It wasn't until the late 90's that email became ubiquitous,
    and even then it was still limited to 9-5 in the office environment.

    In the "00" decade, many different initiatives came along to merge all
    that stuff into one thing, so that it's no longer about the device or
    the communications medium, it's about just being in communication
    period. The Blackberry is simply the most successful example of that.

    The real "killer app" aspect of the BB is that you can take all your
    possible methods of being interrupted, route them through a single
    device, and then turn that device off when you no longer wish to be
    interrupted. It gives you the power. What you do with that power is
    entirely your choice.

    The other killer app is the ability to merge your email and cell phone
    address lists and have them update instantly and on-the-fly thru the
    wireless network. This is just the fulfillment of "computer-telephony
    integration" that we have been promised for the past 20 years. BB was
    the first one to make it into a real product that people could benefit
    from.

    Saying that a new technology invites rude or disruptive behavior is
    nothing new. There were many people who thought electric lighting was
    evil because decent people should not be working after the sun went
    down. That problem won't be going away, unfortunately.

    1. Re:Article is silly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There were many people who thought electric lighting was
      evil because decent people should not be working after the sun went
      down."

      And they were right. I doubt anyone has ever died thinking "I wish I had spent more time at the office."

  33. Definitely a time waster by Aliks · · Score: 1

    At my old company you could always tell when someone was a blackberry user.

    An email summarising some problem would go out to the team and within seconds back would come a one line response from some manager. At first I thought this was great, instant responsiveness and would fire off my own contribution, only to receive another one liner in reply.

    It rapidly became clear that the blackberry user was skimming through the emails and not really taking it all in before replying. Several times a veritable shower of one liners would fill my in box as various useless comments were passed and rebutted.

    I pretty soon learned to ignore these minimal contributions.

  34. Maybe there was a Logical Explanation by Excen · · Score: 1

    I was on a chairlift once, middle of winter, some guy is emailing on his blackberry.

    I can't count the number of times I've called my buddies from the lift to find out where they are, or why in the hell they're missing crazy deep freshies. Now if he had a laptop out and was clacking away, I could understand your dismay, however there could be a perfectly rational, skiing/snowboarding-related explanation for his use of a business tool during a traditionally non-business activity.

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    "No beer until you finish your tequila!" -Leela's Dad
  35. Lower productivity. by OldCrasher · · Score: 1

    I agree. I don't even have one, and they still lower my productivity.
    I want my email read tomorrow, after I have fled the building.

    At least I have two good thumbs, even if one is stuck where the sun don't shine. ;-)

    1. Re:Lower productivity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you finger yourself at work!?

  36. rather one sided by Narc · · Score: 1

    So the article starts of slating the BlackBerry and then goes on to say:

     
    It's unfortunate that a select few users can't seem to keep their fingers of the device and unnecessarily attend messages when they could be doing something better, but that's not the case. However, it's simply not appropriate to blame the device when it's the user who's clearly the problem.


    Bravo. What a bunch of sensationalism crap. At least put some time and effort into the subject matter instead of just slating it. Theres positives and negatives to both sides of the argument and the article just sidestepped them all.

  37. Lack of RFC compliancy by crath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I continue to avoid Blackberry and Good devices because they do not properly deal with multipart MIME email. The email RFCs provide for email clients with varying levels of capability, but current mobile email devices (especially the Blackberry) ignore the RFCs and dumb down everything to plain text.

    I completely get it that the vendors of these devices are trying to keep bandwidth usage to a minimum, and so only allow their client devices to push plain text bits over the wire; however, that is not a good reason to strip everything back to plain text. In my work environment, we mark up email text and rely upon the receiver using an email client that hasn't been completely neutered.

    When Blackberries were first introduced, our wireless networks did not have the capacity to push a large volume of rich text email; however, with 3G networks now actively being rolled out there is no longer any business rationale for imposing this limitation.

    On a related note: this is yet another example Microsoft continuing to demonstrate their incompetence. In their pursuit of Blackberry's market share, they should have brought full-featured portable email to market. Instead they only just managed---in Mobile Office 5---to produce a client that marginally outperforms the Blackberry client. Bill Gates needs to stop hiring co-op students and hire real developers who can produce full featuerd software.

  38. The problem is lame Micro$oft creativity by ehiris · · Score: 1

    The problem with the CrackBerry is the same reason why it's working "so well". Instead of you checking your e-mail which is what e-mail was created for (asynchronous communication), the e-mail is pushed to you. The problem in the M$ world started when Micro$oft decided to make exchange push the e-mails to outlook instead of outlook checking the e-mail at a user-chosen interval.

    Exchange is not just pushing e-mail onto users but it's also pushing the CrackBerry onto addicted executives and politicians. It's so addictive I expect to soon see an amendment to the constitution saying something like "The right to bear BlackBerries"

    Respek!

    "my comunications is improvin,"

  39. Derogatory Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throughout your post you repeatedly refer to the RIM Blackberry as a Crack, a Crackberry, a Crack server. These are all very derogatory names. If you feel that the Blackberry is such a good/useful device, why do you consistently refer to it in such a derogatory fashion.

    Additionally, I felt that the original poster was not avoiding reasons why the Blackberry was unproductive, but rather, was also adding a long list of very valid technical reasons against the Blackberry. All the while avoiding one of the biggest reasons, cost. At $300 per device, $100/mnth for the service and thousands for the BES software, let alone the hardware and internet connection, I've always felt that the Blackberry was a ridiculous expense that no one has yet been able to satisfactorily justify to me.

    Tell me you just want one and I'll accept that. Tell me the long convoluted stories about how much money you can make for the company, if only you had a Blackberry and I'll call you a typical BS artist who is probably in sales with designs on a middle management retirement. If it's an emergency, they can call you on your cell! If the cell doesn't work then neither will the Blackberry!

    1. Re:Derogatory Name by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

      I admit both that I refer to all computer/technological related equipment as "crap." (As in Dell is crap, Apple is crap, everyone else buys their parts from the same 5 manufacturers and is therefore crap) It's unfair, but since I usually get to deal with stuff when it's broken - I have an admittedly biased view.

      Further, I will admit that I wish I felt financially secure enough to pay for the wireless service that would make my $400 Palm the equilivant of a blackberry.

      My point, responding to the first post (which I will unfairly will summarize as "good if you have ADD") was that if you have self control as to when you use a Blackberry/Goodlink device... they can be good. The response, with which I object, was that my arguement was bad for technical reasons that did not refer to my comment. Not correct IMHO, but a valid comment in regard to Blackberries. However, while it is valid to say "xyz technical problems exist with BlackBerries..." It is not valid to say: The devices are not useful if you use them with jurisprudence .. because they are a pain to setup.

      I cannot justify the use of Blackberries for many users. I do have knowledge of several high level types who NEED to have similar devices. I feel that it is the lower level types whom abuse Blackberries. (Often to show off how important they are.) While the people who have arrived at a level where they need a Blackberry have allready learned to priortize.

      ah well, call me cranky

  40. So, what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cellphones, TV, Internet, even computers themselves due to games and other time wasters all can be terrible productivity reducers. Actually, these are just a tip of the iceberg if you think of all the examles like them out there.

    Just get over it. Those things aren't going away tomorrow just because they have downs as well as ups. Blackberry is still a relatively new thing, but, once the newness wears off, it will join the ranks with things like the Internet who have their downsides, but, definitely can help productivity in the end when used correctly.

  41. What is the point of this article? by unix_hacker · · Score: 1

    Is there really a great media conspiracy claiming Blackberry is forcing people to use these devices 24/7? That seems to be what this article is trying to defend against. All I see is an incredibly short, pointless article spread across two web pages to increase ad impressions.

  42. Poorly written crap by jvance · · Score: 1

    Why is this even a story? The author couldn't make a point out of a drawerful of knives. Oh wait - this is Slashdot. Never mind.

  43. Re:Look at me! I'm important! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
    See, I'm dominant over you, so I can check my Blackberry in this meeting, which I (being the alpha geek) decreed to be blackberry free

    Perhaps a small script which sent 1,000 copies of an email saying 'Put the f!@£ing blackberry away and pay attention,' which could be activated from your mobile / laptop / whatever in meetings is required?

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    I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  44. Best tool ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work as a Field Technician and my Blackberry is the most valuable tool that I use.
    I can communicate much more effectively with a greater number of people (sending messages through broadcast emails is much simpler and more accurate than phone call after phone call). I can also telnet into our servers and avoid lengthy hold times with our Network Operations Center (probably saving 30 minutes EVERY DAY). I can view directions to sites without dragging out my computer, booting up, connecting via GPRS, logging on to VPN, and opening a browser. I can look at a history of work orders, their work logs, and modify their status (eliminating the need to log in when I get home). I can view/modify the on-call schedule without my laptop as well (and the entire group updates automatically).
    The Blackberry basically eliminates nearly everything that was frustrating about my job (waiting on hold, repeating conversations over and over with different people, booting up my laptop 5 times a day, checking voicemail all the time). They could cost $500 per month and my boss would sign the bill without a second thought.

  45. Whatever by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

    The toy isn't going to hurt productivity. The people who are going to use it do do some thing useful are going to do something useful. They ones in meetings who use them to im each other are going to be doodling on their notepads rather than working anyway.

    --
    If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
  46. Re:You think it's rude to talk to people in public by robathome · · Score: 1

    Well, I think the objection is more to those that call their wives (or whoever) in the grocery and stand there, oblivious to the world around them, as they block aisles and access to other shoppers while they blab away. Then, there's the just plain rudeness of having a high-volume, personal conversation in the middle of a public venue.

    Standing off to the side, out of the way of the rest of the shoppers, and placing a quick call to find out what you can substitute for the crimini mushrooms that the store's out of? Great - go to it.

    Standing in the middle of a busy aisle, babbling on about your plans for the weekend while everyone has to work around you? Having a profanity-laced argument in the checkout line? Being one of those nimrods that yammers on in their "outdoor voice" into one of those god-forsaken bluetooth earpieces as they wait at the deli, so that the guy behind the counter has to hold up service to interrupt you to find out how much olive loaf you want? Frackin' annoying as all hell.

    Most people just don't get "courtesy first, your own amusement and/or gratification second." It's the nice little things that grease the wheels of polite society.

    --

    At 3 A.M. you can see people's auras; at five you can see their contrails...
  47. Re:You think it's rude to talk to people in public by dave1212 · · Score: 1

    Hear, hear. Well said. I would expect most people on here would have that kind of courtesy, but I don't see it often in day-to-day activities.

  48. Re:Look at me! I'm important! by Jetekus · · Score: 1

    Almost all the time when I recieve an email with the "Sent from my Blackberry...." it is in response to something quite inane, and easily could (and probably should) have waited until they were back at the office.
    Yes, but maybe people don't really want to have to track you down when they get into the office just to tell you whatever it was. If it is trivial, as you said, then it's better for them to be able to send a message on their way to work (when they have nothing to do), so they can get on with the important stuff when they get in. That way they waste less of their time on inane little things.

  49. Re:You think it's rude to talk to people in public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen all of the things you complain about with cell phones happen more often with people talking to people actually present. Cell phones aren't the problem, rude people are whether they have cells or not.

  50. Re:RTFM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nd with email filtering on the device, you can do just about "anything."

    Except for avoiding to download a bazillion megs of pr0n, just to have it filtered once downloaded.

  51. I for one, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome our BlackBerry overlords, because the mandatory signature "Sent from my BlackBerry" allows me to easily filter all e-mails from the boss.

  52. A change of paradigm by Aceticon · · Score: 1

    An interesting way to look at one's salary is to, instead of look at it per-month or per-year, measure it per-hour.

    It can be a real eye opener when two persons compare their salary and they figure out that the one that has a salary which is 10% higher per-month than the other one, still makes 13% less per-hour since the first one works 10h/day and the other one only works 8.

    This even before you take in account that not all hours have the same value for someone - that next hour working after having worked 10 hours is way much harder that if it would be if it was after only 3 hours work.

    For those that are keen on maximizing their income, consider that the person working 8h/day has, by comparisson with the one working 10h/day, 2 available hours per-day to use in other income generating activities (such as setting up your own company).

    For everybody else, you can look at your salary per-hour as a reverse scale of how much you are being done by the Man.

  53. Re:You think it's rude to talk to people in public by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you think talking in public is rude and that we should all silently keep to ourselves, heads down, like convicts.

    You insensitive clod.. We're not convicts, we're Japanese!