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Aero To Be Unavailable To Pirates

An anonymous reader writes "Users thinking of pirating the next version of Windows may have a surprise in store: no Aero for you. The upcoming Microsoft OS will run a check to ensure the copy was legally purchased. If it comes up short, the shiniest part of the OS will not be available." From the article: "At first an optional program, the piracy check eventually became mandatory for many types of Windows XP downloads, but was not required to run any aspect of the operating system itself. Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Windows, which is already used on more than 90 percent of personal computers. But it's not just pirates who will be blocked from Windows' fanciest graphics. The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system."

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  1. A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess this will merely separate the real pirates from the need pirates.

    I'm not going to hide anything, I pirated Matlab and Mathematica in college. But I wasn't selling them or making a profit off them, I was simply installing old versions of them so that I could get my homework done without having to go to campus and be restricted by lab hours. I have since uninstalled them and don't feel wrong for using them to accomplish assignments.

    I think there are a lot of pirates here in America and overseas that just want a functioning OS on which they can install their games and quicken and other such Win32 software. Even I would prefer a Windows "Lite" over Windows with Aero. The last thing I want is some fancy pants CPU hog with Rosie O'Donnel sized memory footprints running around in the background!

    I would really like to see a free Windows OS "Core" kernal system that doesn't have any features but can be downloaded and installed easily. You could purchase more and more expansions or just buy the loaded omgwtfbbq$999 version of Windows right off the bat with everything from Office Suite Complex SP8 to Windows Media Player with more skins than an 18th century fur trader.

    The real pirates are going to try everything to be able to crack and sell these advanced copies. They'll do it regardless of what features Windows has. There's already speculation on how to do it.

    If you're making one version more secure than another, you're simply admitting that you're not too concerned about the minimal package being pirated but you cannot afford to have Aero pirated. I think that says a lot about how you really view the core operating system and how it's becoming recognized more and more as a necessary tool and not some software bonus. Many software models have developed into being very successful by offering a "Lite" version of the software product for free and encouraging an upgrade to more features by buying a full fledged license from the homepage. The very piece of software I'm using right now to author and spellcheck this post (Textpad) is marketed in this manner.

    So I welcome this new news that only the rich, powerful & non-collegiate will have Aero. Let them have their bells and whistles!

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    1. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excellent post, sir. My only objection: I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "running around" in the same sentence.

    2. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by adolfojp · · Score: 5, Informative
      I would really like to see a free Windows OS "Core" kernal system...
      You can try ReactOS. I know that is not what you want, but it is as close as you can get today. http://www.reactos.org/
    3. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by starm_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hehe, so true,

      MS is shooting itself in the foot in doing that.

      The only reason everyone uses Windows is that everyone uses Windows.

      I use Windows because I want to be compatible with everyone else. Companies write Windows only software and drivers because they want to be compatible with the majority.

      Force a fraction of society to switch to a cheaper alternative, and you will precipitate another big chunk into doing the same.

    4. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then I guess you've never been to college, not even attended a single quarter or semester there.

      The "educational" and "non-profit" excuses are VERY meaningful. They were original exceptions to this whole robber baron mentality that seems to pervade creativity these days. The idea isn't to be a Rockerfeller wannabe even if you happen to be in it just for the money.

      These overhanded ideas are wrongheaded even for those of us that make money off of all of this.

      Alternatively: needlessly forcing people to "do without" is also undermining your own future marketshare. You gain NOTHING in the immediate term and may actually lose something in the long term.

      Most real creative people realize this.

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    5. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by slashname3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that but in order for companies to get the most from their programing dollars they will write their programs for the largest group of users. From the sounds of things that will be those running the stripped down consumer version of windows.

      Microsoft probably won't realize this until after they release the full blown version (sometime in 2015) but by splitting their users in this way most companies will not bother to use the enhanced capabilities of the more expensive OS since only a small percentage of users will have it. Expect to see people continue to use XP for many many years to come since upgrading won't provide any need to have features.

    6. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If you're making one version more secure than another, you're simply admitting that you're not too concerned about the minimal package being pirated but you cannot afford to have Aero pirated. I think that says a lot about how you really view the core operating system and how it's becoming recognized more and more as a necessary tool and not some software bonus. Many software models have developed into being very successful by offering a "Lite" version of the software product for free and encouraging an upgrade to more features by buying a full fledged license from the homepage.

      It's an interesting way of looking at this. But I would be surprised if that is ENTIRELY the intent. Why? Commoditization.

      Microsoft seems to be doing a lot to try and avoid the perception that an OS is a commodity. A hardware platform that became a commodity environment meant IBM lost control of the market. And that is the real threat from the likes of Linux, *BSD, etc. The last thing Microsoft wants is for a perception that the entire platform - hardware and OS - is immaterial or at least a very distant second to an application. Remember that this was the mantra Netscape liked to push before Microsoft performed its historical turn-on-a-dime strategy shift. And one might even note that the vast majority of consumers are almost to this point anyway (how many average users really understand the implications of an OS).

      Now - its entirely possible that despite Microsoft's best efforts, the market is pushing in that direction anyway. This may be a slight capitulation to this kind of pressure. But I would not expect Microsoft to do anything that would drive home the commodity perception until well after it has already taken hold of the market. I doubt the market is at that point yet.

      If anything, this is simply part of Microsoft's attempt to avoid their OS becoming a commodity. It started with WinXP. Before then, who really cared about "piracy"? After all, the major players (OEMs, business, etc.) already pay. The "Linux Refund Day" exercise showed what a consumer Windows license is worth. Up to a certain point in history, accepting "piracy" helped ensure Windows continued to proliferate as a common environment while not getting in the way of paying customers. Introducing rudimentary copy protection didn't happen until commodity OS platforms started to really gain attention. And even then, it didn't really do much to stem "piracy". But it did drive home the point that Windows wasn't a freebie - keeping it out of the same mental pigeon-hole IT managers stick "freeware" commodity platforms... specifically Linux.

      Aero is not an important component. But it is the more visceral piece - it's prominant in screenshots and marketing. Linking copy protection to this component continues to push the message that Windows is something special. And if for some reason a paying customer runs afoul of that copy protection and Aero shuts down, they will likely still be able to limp along doing their important activities until the situation can be resolved - perhaps only annoying them instead of really upsetting them and producing more fodder for various switcher campaigns.
    7. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by massysett · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Is MS shooting itself in the foot? Or merely trying to maximize revenue?

      If MS can detect that your Vista is pirated, why not just shut down the Vista altogether? Instead they're just turning off eye candy.

      MS wants money, but on the other hand it must realize that a user on a pirated Vista is better than a user on Linux.

    8. Re:A Pirate In Need is a Pirate Indeed by slashname3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But without the "eye candy" is there any reason to pay for the more expensive version of vista? If this actually happens then most programmers won't write anything that uses any of the "eye candy" because most users won't have it and won't see it. Why spend time fiddling with stuff that no one uses?

      It also begs the question of why would anybody let alone a company pay for "eye candy" when that is not needed to get the job done?

      Expect people and companies to continue using XP for the next couple of decades instead of spending money to upgrade to vista. From the sounds of it there is nothing in vista that are "must have" type features. And the programers will follow the market and continue to turn out their applications to work on the largest common denominator of systems/users out there.

  2. We knew this was coming. by windowpain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every majoy piece of software is going "phone home" from here on out.

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    1. Re:We knew this was coming. by generic-man · · Score: 2

      Every major piece of software already phones home. Most software intended for businesses is given away in the form of a free trial download or CD; the only thing you need to do to keep using is to obtain a full license key. The software periodically phones home to make sure the license is still valid.

      It's only on home computers where paranoid Slashdot posters have taken exception to software phoning back to the distributor.

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    2. Re:We knew this was coming. by generic-man · · Score: 2

      Unicenter qualifies as a "major piece of business software." It comes with a 6- to 7-digit price tag. You can get it installed by a qualified professional or in a copy of Unicenter for Dummies*. It runs on major, business-critical servers. Certain monitoring servers do call home to make sure that your license is current. If that's not possible, CA will pay you a visit to make sure everything's on the up and up.

      * Not making that up

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    3. Re:We knew this was coming. by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These software packages OF [COURSE] fit the description of a major piece of software, intended for businesses

      No they don't. A major piece of software is one that a business selects all the rest of their components and utilities around. It's the critical piece, and all those other little things would be replaced by something else were the situation to change. Those other things, while being business software, aren't *major*, they're auxillary.

      Also, most of those smaller pieces of software, the ones that get used anyway, don't actually call home, If they do, they typically have a way to work without calling home too. Hardware dongles are still very popular.

  3. Pirate "Lite Edition" sounds OK, actually. by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


    FTA: With the new operating system, Microsoft is offering plenty of new graphics tricks, including translucent windows, animated flips between open programs and "live icons" that show a graphical representation of the file in question.

    Many 'pirate' copies currently run on less-than-optimal hardware, yes? Microsoft's plans will make this 'pirate edition' less of a resource hog so for many it actually sounds like a pretty good upgrade over the legit version.

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    1. Re:Pirate "Lite Edition" sounds OK, actually. by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aero is optional, therefore the removal of choice is not an "upgrade" no matter how hard this news is spun.

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  4. Yes, but... by Disavian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Working validation crack in 3, 2, 1...

    1. Re:Yes, but... by RenatoRam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And... well... last time I checked, WINE passed the Windows Genuine Advantage test as a "genuine windows install".

      *chuckles*

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    2. Re:Yes, but... by g0dsp33d · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does that mean it blue screens? :-p jk, don't mod me down.

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    3. Re:Yes, but... by psu_whammy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nevermind a validation crack. What happens if there's an exploit in the wild that can infect a computer before you can get it up and get patches and such applied to it? Remember when XP came around, and the conventional wisdom was "unplug your network cable/modem cable before installing"? What happens when the OS needs to call home to make sure you're not Pirate Pete?

  5. I had the same idea. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to write a Linux program that runs a series of invasive system checks to make sure you didn't pay for it.

    1. Re:I had the same idea. by farnz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The package you're thinking of is vrms, the virtual Richard M. Stallman. It only scans your dpkg database though, so doesn't catch manually installed non-free software, only the non-free stuff installed via apt or similar mechanisms.

    2. Re:I had the same idea. by generic-man · · Score: 5, Funny

      I deeply appreciate that the virtual Richard M. Stallman is in the unstable Debian repository. :)

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  6. Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advantage by duerra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Somebody please correct me if I have been mistaken.

    I understand and respect Microsoft wanting to be able to ensure that as many copies of their software is legit as possible, but from what I understand, Vista is going to *require* signed drivers for it to work, which I would also assume plays some part in the Windows Genuine Advantage program. I would assume that it costs money and requires licensing and such to get a driver signed. Doesn't this qualify as a form of extortion and abuse of Microsoft's monopoly? By requiring signed drivers, they're effectively forcing everybody to pay them an "extortion fee" in order for other companies to be able to make hardware for users to run their systems. Doesn't this present problems for Microsoft? How can they be allowed to do this, considering their monopoly status?

    I really don't like the idea of Microsoft forcing me into using signed drivers and such in order to take advantage of the software I legally purchased. There's countless reasons for this, but I would think that Microsoft's monopoly status alone would be enough to stop them from abusing these sorts of practices.

  7. Thank you Microsoft by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, thank you. You have now given me the final reason NOT to upgrade.

    As a poster in a previous article said, I'll keep my copy of W2K running as long as I can and when, for whatever reason, it is no longer useful I will devote my time and resources to learning how to use Linux though Apple might come first.

    Thank you Microsoft. Your ineptness will be your undoing.

    I can't wait to see what happens when businesses realize the cost to upgrade to your latest abomination and all the attendant problems that will occur.

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    1. Re:Thank you Microsoft by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Very creative. But I bet you don't use Windows now. And I bet you had absolutely no intention of using Windows when Vista is released.

      And besides, if you're a "customer" who only uses software he can pirate, I'm sure MS will really miss having you as a customer.

    2. Re:Thank you Microsoft by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But Macs are far from free.

      I think the Linux adoption will continue to be slow. I've got Ubuntu running on my laptop that I use at work. I was running it with KDE at work last week. It's got a snazzy desktop, nice icon theme and one of my co-workers strolled into my office to ask me a question, noticed my screen and asked how I got Windows to look like that. I told him it was Linux. And that it was free... as was all of the software that I have on it. I showed him OOo, Firefox and the FirstClass client (uck, I hate FirstClass, but that's what we use) and he was shocked that there was an alternative to Windows. He's interested.

      So people will see someone using something other than Windows. It will look nice (especially with Xgl), will be free and someone will see it and be interested in it. They might try it. Then someone else will see their system and be interested... and so on.

      It's slow. But I think that that's the way it's going to happen if it happens at all. The smallest fraction of Windows users even have a clue that anything else exists. And I would say that Linux is capable of handling Joe Home-User's computing needs quite well.

      My parents are using Ubuntu. I set it up. I got it working. All they do is keep it updated when it prompts them. It browses the internet just fine. It IMs just fine. OOo does everything my dad needs and they've not been happier.

    3. Re:Thank you Microsoft by Vandre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As much as I don't like Microsoft, parent post is a troll and should be modded down. He contradicts himself: a) Assuming that he was planning on getting a pirated copy, since he mentioned that he is running W2k (i.e. no fancy graphics) it really wouldnt make a difference b) If he was planning on getting a legit version, then what's the problem? voila! you get your fancy graphics

  8. Couple of questions by GroeFaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Is Aero relevant to Vista's inner workings, i.e. is it a real limitation to its functionality if missing? If yes, how severe a limitation?

    2) How does Aero differ from numerous attempts at 3D desktops that are already out there? Why will users really miss it?

    3) What are the chances that Aero will stay off-limits to "pirates" for any extended period of time?

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    1. Re:Couple of questions by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Informative

      "2) How does Aero differ from numerous attempts at 3D desktops that are already out there? Why will users really miss it?"

      One of the BFD's about Aero is that apps can be rescaled etc. (Hence all the vector-based stuff going on with the video card.) The idea is that Vista will support 300DPI monitors. I read a story a couple of years ago about how Microsoft and ... oh I want to say it was Viewsonic but I could be wrong ... made a deal to develope a 5,000 pixel wide LCD monitor. The text and icons would still be drawn at a reasonable size, but they'd be a hell of a lot clearer. If these monitors turn into reality *and* they become wide-spread, then Aero will definitely be an important factor with Windows.

      As for Aero's other graphical nicities, well it's hard to say. Everybody here claims they don't want to waste the resources etc, but everybody gets all giggly and bouncy when there's new OSX or KDE screenshots.

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    2. Re:Couple of questions by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative
      1) Is Aero relevant to Vista's inner workings, i.e. is it a real limitation to its functionality if missing? If yes, how severe a limitation?

      Aero is just a new graphics engine for Windows Vista. Removing it makes Windows fall back on the current graphics engine used in Windows XP. (Well, presumably a slightly newer version, but you get the idea.) A Linux analogy would be xgl (Aero) versus standard X.

      Essentially the only limitation is that you won't get transparent window title bars and the icons won't be as flashy. So it's hardly a limitation, unless you like your eyecandy. (And some people do.)

      2) How does Aero differ from numerous attempts at 3D desktops that are already out there? Why will users really miss it?

      It's not a 3D desktop, it's a plain 2D desktop that uses 3D acceleration to speed the GUI. Chances are that most people will actually find that using Aero will reduce CPU usage and (potentially) lessens memory usage for the graphics layer, since it offloads much of that work to the GPU.

      Essentially it uses the 3D graphics abilities of the graphics card to handle rendering 2D graphics. This is practically identical to the way OS X and xgl work - both use the 3D acceleration abilities of a graphics card to render 2D graphics.

      As for "will users really miss it" - that's a definite maybe. My dad just spent a good week or so getting xgl running on his desktop to generate Aero-style effects under KDE, so some people want the eye candy. But other people probably won't even notice it's missing. It depends on the user.

      3) What are the chances that Aero will stay off-limits to "pirates" for any extended period of time?

      Slim to nil. :)

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    3. Re:Couple of questions by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of the BFD's about Aero is that apps can be rescaled etc

      Ok, might as well post this here, even though I have seen tons of people not know anything about it...

      Aero is the 'glass' UI of Explorer and Window Frames, you also get a few functions that are also part of Explorer, like Flip 3D.

      However, the scaleable UI of applications and Windows Vista itself have NOTHING to do with AERO.

      The scaleable UI and the new graphics subsystem and API in Vista is based on WPF (Avalon) and this NEVER turns off, even if your Video card is VGA Only from 1990.

      So everyone please STOP assuming this has anything to do with the Vector composer, the new API replacing GDI+ or any other cool rumor people that know little about Vista want to dig out of the closet.

      Here, check out this great site calle Wikipedia.com, it even will explain this to you. Or people could go to www.microsoft.com and actually read this for themselves.

      (This post is for all the people in this thread, not just the one I am responding too. If you don't know enough about Vista's Graphics and think it is like OSX's, or think the Aero 'Theme' is Avalon or any other confusing thing, either don't worry about it cause you aren't ever planning on using Vista, or if you might or have customers that might, go check it out so you aren't making silly statements.)

    4. Re:Couple of questions by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aero is just a new graphics engine for Windows Vista. Removing it makes Windows fall back on the current graphics engine used in Windows XP.

      Ok, NO...

      AERO is the UI Effects of Window Borders and the 'glass' Theme, it is also a part of a few effect in Explorer like Flip3D.

      The Graphic Engine in Windows is WPF/Avalon, and it fully functions even if you have a VGA Card, and it HAS NOTHING to do with the AERO 'THEME'.

      Even with AERO turned off, applicaitons will still use the NEW API that replaces the GDI+ graphics subsystem in WindowsXP, and is NOT dependant on hardware, what so ever.

      If Microsoft disabled the whole new graphics API because of turning off Aero would break the entire OS, not just turn off the shinny window frames.

      Check out www.microsoft.com or msdn.microsoft.com or even freaking wikipedia.com

      Even Google.com, there are some cool articles that explain this in detail and even go as far to explain the Vector Composer that sets the new Graphics subsystem of Vista apart from anything else.

    5. Re:Couple of questions by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      1) Is Aero relevant to Vista's inner workings, i.e. is it a real limitation to its functionality if missing? If yes, how severe a limitation?

      No, and disregard the posts stating otherwise.

      Aero is simply this... The THEME, and because of the Vista capabilities the THEME adds 'glass' Frames to Windows, and also adds a few cute effects to explorer, like the Flip3D.

      As for any loss of functionality, there is none, even if you are running on a 1990 VGA Video card with AERO turned off or disabled. The whole new graphics subsystem in Vista is NOT dependant on hardware and it is NOT AERO.

    6. Re:Couple of questions by amliebsch · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You all miss the point. All 2nd/3rd party applications will sooner or later start depending on Aero.

      That's just silly. Aero is a theme, not a technology. How many applications require the use of the XP "Luna" theme and refuse to run in "classic" mode?

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  9. I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway by spyrochaete · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first thing I do when I install XP is disable Luna and all the graphical tweaks except for show window contents while dragging. XP is nice and snappy and stable when you make it look like 95!

    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7022/1036/1600/ uptime.0.jpg

    1. Re:I had plans for those CPU cycles anyway by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      XP is nice and snappy and stable when you make it look like 95!

      And what's really cool is that it looks better too!

      KFG

  10. In other words: by RandoX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get a pirated version and you don't need a new video card.

  11. Mexed Missages by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Funny
    But it's not just pirates who will be blocked from Windows' fanciest graphics. The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system.


    That's sort of an odd message to send, isn't it? "We think you're a software pirate. Or maybe you're just poor. Either way, you don't get the shiny shiny."
  12. Fair Price for Fair use by mcai8rw2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two things...

    1. Haven't microsoft tried this 'validation' thing already with downloading copies of directx? That didn;t appear to work very well.

    2.I don't care what people say...windows is still expensive. If windows was more affordable to the average user, maybe piracy wouldn't be such an issue.

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  13. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by octopus72 · · Score: 2

    Don't worry, EU will look into that.

  14. Re: I heart Textpad by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's a fantastic program, I think I've sold 4 different clients on it.

    There's a whole slew of consultants in my field who always beg me to get JDeveloper up and running in their dev environments and I always recoil in horror and start asking pointed questions of "Why?"
    Huge footprint, doesn't play well with the products I develop for, and has crashed more than once. Give me the simple elegance of TextPad any day of the week; I can program my own debugging lines and watches into it if I need them. -1 offtopic.

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  15. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by SetupWeasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I only know enough about law to tell you this:

    No one gives a shit about enforcing anti-trust laws in the current administration.

    Sadly, that is not the biggest of our concerns. If we make it to 2009 without nuking someone, I will be happy. We can worry about corporations raping the public after that.

  16. Re:What does this say about Vista? by Disavian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they designed Vista correctly, they could have any number of graphical systems, and all it would take is to unload one and load in another. It's not really about bloat, it's more about code design. I have a feeling that MSFT's at least trying to use some good code design.

  17. Hold up... by ViX44 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have they ever gotten around to telling us why we want Aero-glass? First thing I do whenever I'm on a XP machine, including other peoples' because I'm rude, is disable the XP theme system and get back to something useful. I don't want the close button on a window to be large because that makes it easy to hit by accident. GUI design 101, and XP fails it hard.

    So, what makes bubble buttons and transparency effects something I should want? Is Microsoft trying to bank on GUI wiener-size competition to get people to pay hundreds of dollars for a legtimate installation of the OS?

    Oh, yeah...they're going to try to stick it in the gamer market by making everyone upgrade for DX10...which will likely only give you full performance on Trusted Hardware, just like the high-res video bunk.

    Let's hear it for Microsoft. 1) My GUI looks better than yours. 2) DX10 is so much more efficient, it almost makes up for the performance lost by binding 70% of your system resources to the GUI that looks better than yours. 3) We don't like your installation of Linux on your other partition, so we're using Oklahoma power to reach in and delete it all, and install this cool IDE device driver from StarForce. 4) You're welcome!

  18. MS admits users don't need to upgrade anymore by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Microsoft has identified reducing piracy as a key way for the company to grow its sales of Windows,

    If there were compelling reasons to upgrade, Microsoft wouldn't have to look at other means to grow their Windows' sales, the upgrade sales would carry them forward.

  19. Corporate version? by bernywork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Umm, How will this affect corporate versions? Will the release of Vista require your computer to talk to another computer on your corporate network which then talks back to Microsoft to ensure that your copy is legitimate?

    If Microsoft starts demanding activation from corporate customers, I think things will get interesting and amusing all at the same time.

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  20. Still won't work by barthrh2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot (most?) of the piracy drives off of corporate copies. These typically don't call home. I can't imagine how you could force a corporation to grant internet connections for the purposes of licensing. If Vista corporate licensing still doesn't phone home, then the problem is far from solved. If they wish to force corporations to allow phoning home, they are going to have quite a stuggle getting companies to upgrade. The no-net workaround, calling in for an authorization code, is even worse when you have hundreds or thousands of computers.

  21. Heat Wave by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How in the world are we ever going to solve Global Warming unless we stop discriminating against pirates? Sheesh!

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  22. And this is bad why? by schabot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you seen screenshots of Aero Glass? It looks like the short films of a first year computer animation student http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/longhorn3/Aer o%20Glass%20-%20Contacts.jpg. It is for this same reason Luna in XP gets very old very fast, and anyone wanting to get some serious work done turns it off.

    Or, did anyone consider the fact that these all look like crap because they can be turned off--they are only add-ons to the plain style that was introduced with Win95. They get in the way. Would anyone even consider turning off Aqua, even if you could. No, because it is part of the system, part of your work flow. (Disclaimer: I have Win2000, OS X and Ubuntu machines)

    Besides, as people have noted, most individuals who are installing pirated versions have computers that can't handle Areo Glass anyway. Any computer capable enough will come with Visa pre-installed, whenever that happens to be. The rest of us be thankful that we can get the garbage out of the way, even if you believe that Visa will be able to do some real work. Me, I'll keep Windows 2000, because really haven't seen any real innovation since then--it is stable and uncluttered, which is about as good as Windows can get.

  23. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by dioscaido · · Score: 5, Informative

    While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that driver rootkit on your machine.

    For a legitimate hardware manufacturer it is not difficult at all to get their drivers signed through a certificate authority. This is not done through Microsoft (and is different from their certification programs).

    Here's the text from http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/64bi t/kmsigning.mspx:

    To obtain a PIC, a publisher must first obtain a VeriSign Class 3 Commercial Software Publisher Certificate. Registration with Verisign results in establishing a credential that can be used to establish a Microsoft Windows Quality Online Services (Winqual) account. The publisher can then use that certificate to authenticate itself to Microsoft. If the certificate is valid, Microsoft issues a PIC.
    A publisher typically completes the authentication process once a year through the Winqual Web site. The process is completed over a channel that is protected by the secure sockets layer (SSL). Figure 1 illustrates the process of obtaining a PIC. For more information about Winqual, see "Resources" at the end of this paper.

    Figure 1. Obtaining a PIC
    Important: The process of obtaining a PIC is separate from the Windows Logo Program submission process. The PIC signing capability does not replace the WHQL program. Microsoft encourages publishers to use the WHQL programs such as the Logo and Driver Reliability Signing programs, whenever possible. The primary purpose of the PIC program is to introduce identity into the kernel-mode and driver ecosystem, in cases where participation in the WHQL program might not be suitable. The PIC signing capability does not require the publisher to pass certain Windows Logo Program testing requirements associated with WHQL.

  24. The joke's on them... by Philodoxx · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll just pirate windows basic! Then there won't be any reproducussions for my thievery... except that I'd be running windows.

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  25. So unplug the damn thing by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a good solution, seriously. Think about it. Just don't allow the thing to dial home. Unplug it from the net. Run your games or uber-business apps on it, and have a $300 Linux box for web/email. It's an optimal solution even today.

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    1. Re:So unplug the damn thing by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would guess that we're not too far off from it refusing to run if it can't make that call home. Then unplugging it doesn't do much. Heck even today I firewall off apps that have no obvious need to connect to the net. Nero? Thumbsplus? ANY media player? There's no way I'm gonna let them through the firewall.

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    2. Re:So unplug the damn thing by amazon10x · · Score: 2
      ANY media player?
      What about when you're streaming music, is that a good reason?
    3. Re:So unplug the damn thing by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jack Valenti, one time head of the Motion Picture Association of America, once said:

      Just because technology lets you do something doesn't mean you should.

      He was talking about illegal copying of DVDs, of course ... but the comment is still valid in this context. Just because you can easily connect a user's copy of your software to your servers doesn't mean you should.

      I know, I know ... Jack Valenti. But he did have a point.

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    4. Re:So unplug the damn thing by spxero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I've found to be effective is to run a third party software firewall (such as ZoneAlarm) in which I can specify which apps get to access the internet.

      This is helpful because it limits the amount of software trying to access the internet. I mean, does Word or Excel seriously need to access the internet every time it starts up? No!

      I think I'm going to wait this one out for a bit- until I can ensure that my data isn't going anywhere I don't want it to.

  26. Re:Duly Noted by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "erect" in the same sentence.

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  27. Re:Dear Pirates: Welcome to OS X! by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And when you realize the shinyness of your desktop doesn't reflect it's usefulness go jump on the Gentoo bandwagon and be part of a winning team for a change.

    As much as I hate MSFT for being a monopoly and industry stiffler I hate Apple for being prima donnas.

    My Dell laptop is just fine. It's sturdy, works in both winxp and linux, has good battery life, is fast, etc, and costs much less than the standard issue G4 laptop at the time (even though my Dell has a 3yr warranty, larger battery and HD than the standard G4).

    If Apple could realize that their outsourced third-world construction factories are no better than the third-world construction factories Dell uses ... they could charge appropriate prices.

    Though since they ditched freescale and went Intel I don't see the motivation. If I wanted another Intel laptop I'd go to dell.ca. PPC had some merit mostly because it was a different architecture which if followed through more heavily could give x86 a run for the MIPS/Watt ratio.

    Alas...

    Tom

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  28. your claims of average man... by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Informative
    I find a little strong...

    the average XP user downloads cygwin, ming, lcc-win32 or others for development, OpenOffice for a suite, firefox/mozilla for browsing, etc...

    I cry utter bullshit on each element, and ask you to give a cite for a single one.
    1-average xp user downloads cygwin
    2-average xp user downloads lcc-win32
    3-average xp user downloads/uses open office
    4-average xp user uses firefox/mozilla

    2nd, the price of XPhome+office student&teacher edition is about 325$ retail.

    the AVERAGE XP user wants a free media player, and all the other XP goodies,
    and doesn't give a shit about superior alternatives for most of it... they want easy.

    now, your personal experience (and mine) is not the same- but it's also ABOVE average- FAR ABOVE average- than the average xp user.

    and- selling to the average man- IS what sells.

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  29. news flash: MS admits eliminating piracty kills by fermion · · Score: 4, Funny

    Today MS admitted that its market share was largely due to piracy. Rather than MS Windows being the best value for the money, it is the best widely distributed and supported free OS. A such, the MS will be adopting a new strategy in which the OS will be given away, and only support contracts and cosmetic add ons will be sold. A senior MS official was quoted as saying "Consumer have always realized that MS Windows had no real financial value, and now MS itself has come to the same conclusions. The technology in MS Windows is 20 years old, of no innovative consequence. We will focus of serving bussiness customers and leveraging the MS Office franchise to grow the company"

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  30. because you won't want to by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in the future more and more things wil be tied to the web. Office applications like writely and ajaxWrite. Photo librarys. Maybe even your music and TV. You won't want to unplug to run the OS.

    On the otherhand I like this solution to piracy. If it detects a piarate copy it hobbles the OS but does not shut it down. That makes it safe to use in case it glitches on you and mis-detects it's lic status.

    I'd take it one step further and change the mouse to an oversized hot pink X with a desktop that says "Liscence key not valid". Anyone seeing that on someone elses computer would know it was stolen and there might be social pressure to pay for what you can steal.

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    1. Re:because you won't want to by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm confused - was that some sort of terrible justification for piracy, or your reasoning for not using Windows at all?

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  31. Re:Predictions? by Bogtha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That approach is pretty much guaranteed to fail. How would you spoof a Microsoft response if they take the obvious step of using asymmetric cryptography? Any crack would have to avoid the challenge in the first place or change the public key before the challenge is sent.

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  32. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by jeffasselin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that driver rootkit on your machine."

    Yes, I'm sure that's what they told you. Oceania has always been at war and all that shizz, you know?

    Hackers will find ways to bypass these restrictions easily enough. Security holes (old AND new) will allow dishonest people to do whatever they want anyway.

    That's not even counting on the possibility of hackers getting their spyware signed. Remember when people managed to get keys signed in Microsoft's name? You REALLY trust Verisign with this? I sure don't.

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  33. Lemme get this straight... by superdan2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...so if I were to pirate Windows (I'm speaking hypothetically as Mac OS X user), and MS knows it, they'll prevent me from using the part of the OS that sucks up system resources like there's no tomorrow? Awesome. Pirate Windows and it will run faster.

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  34. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sadly, that is not the biggest of our concerns.

    Some time ago, I might have read that to mean that we as a nation had bigger concerns, and thus the administration had bigger concerns, and that the concern was over the people getting away with antitrust violations.
    Now, however, it is the administration that is the concern.

    In your heart, you know he might

  35. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by slashnik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that driver rootkit on your machine.

    But it won't do anything to stop Hacker McSony

  36. No OEM versions for the Macintosh by klubar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It will be interesting if MS checks whether a Mac is running an OEM version of Windows (or for that matter Office).

    As Apple isn't installing OEM versions of the Windows OS, any OEM version running on a Mac has to be illegal. The Genuine Advantage check could easily determine if the OS is running on a Mac and if the OS is an OEM version. If so, it could flag that the version is not correctly licensed.

  37. Re:Predictions? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This can be prevented by the most basic cryptographic challenge-response.

    Assuming MS does it right.

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  38. Re:Duly Noted by yerfatma · · Score: 3, Funny

    He did say "struggling to remain". I'm in the same trapper boat.

  39. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by sootman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I take pretty good care of my gear. I'm not too concerned about Hacker McPhee. I've not had a virus in over 8 years despite running Windows without A/V protection. It's outfits like Sony--"legitimate manufacturers"--that worry me more these days.

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  40. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by misleb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My problem with requiring signed drivers is that you won't be able to run "beta" versions of drivers to potentially fix problems with the release version. I've had to do this on more than one occasion and I'm not even a regular Windows user. Drivers aren't signed until they are tested and certified by Microsoft, right?

    -matthew

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  41. Am I the only one who thinks this is quite clever? by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think about it. Microsoft can't afford to seriously crack down on piracy... not with the new Mactels, not when distros like Ubuntu are making such giant strides for Linux noobs everywhere. At the same time, they do want to prevent piracy of their OS from becoming (more) mainstream. Hence, they allow us the ability to pirate their core OS, while blocking all of the glitter. We might not care about the glitter (though I must say I don't understand why everyone here prefers to look at gray on gray all day. Yes, XP on default is Fischer Price, but that's a hell of a lot better on the eyes than gray on gray), but your average consumer does. Your average consumer won't give a shit about the techincal advances of Vista; they'll just want the eye candy. Your average consumer is also the least likely to want to jump ship to something that's harder, less flashy, and/or less compatible with their favorite software.

    So, Microsoft is putting the squeeze on those customers they know won't jump ship by leaving out the glitter, thus reducing their incentive to pirate, while simultaneously leaving the door open for the tech-savvy (who are generally much less impressed by glitter) to pirate Vista-sans-glitter, thus reducing their incentive to jump ship to OS X or Linux.

    Too bad it's all going to fail miserably. I've got $1000 that says Vista-with-glitter will be pirated within the first month. Any takers?

  42. Re:Predictions? by NullProg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My prediction is that someone will be clever enough to write a daemon that will intercept the "phone home" activity and provide the response that the OS requires. Add some names to the hosts file along with the appropriate challenge-response and I'm thinking that'll just about do the trick.

    Not on the host system you won't. To do this you would need to run in kernel space. Now remember the announcement from a few months ago http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/23/171 9232.
    The new Windows kernel will no longer run unsigned drivers. Face it, you don't own a personal computer anymore. You lease a Microsoft appliance.

    Enjoy,

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  43. Stick with Win2K? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think Win2K has any activatation cr@p. And none of this home-version vs pro-version vs other-version, stuff either.

    It will run practically everything that XP will run, and does not have that cartoon interface by default. Win2K also takes slightly less resources. I also think Win2K works well with Samba.

    My guess is: it will probably be supported by hw/sw vendors for a few more years, at least.

  44. Sounds like they're helping the pirates to me by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I don't pay for Vista, I don't have to put up with the bloated interface? Somebody give me a torrent!

  45. The "corporate" workaround won't work this time by InThane · · Score: 2, Informative

    (Note - read the whole thing before assuming I went off at the hip on this post. It's stream of consciousness, something I know is rare at /.)

    Or at least, I thought it wasn't going to until I read this list:

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_edit ions.asp

    The specific line to look at is "Windows Activation Services". If this is correct, Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is going to be about the most pirated version of Windows ever.

    The original story I'd heard back when the rumors of seven different versions popped up was that only the basic Business version wouldn't have product activation code built into it - and that it would be lacking hardware Direct3D and OpenGL support, as well as Aero Glass. Since your basic office workstation doesn't need 3d hardware acceleration, (No, CAD/CAM/Maya/whatever is NOT your basic office workstation) and pirates would be more likely to look down on that version as "crippleware" that would keep the amount of piracy down to a dull roar.

    From that chart, if it's accurate, it looks like ALL the business versions, as well as Ultimate, are lacking product activation, and since all business versions support Aero, they all have at least Direct3D implemented - no idea if Microsoft will continue to support OpenGL, however. :P

    Then I noticed the little line at the top about how this page was out of date, and there's an updated page. The URL is:

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_edit ions_final.asp

    I did a diff of the two pages... (Currently examining diff)

    Nothing too radical, except the licensing line is missing. Hmm. Make of that what you will. Google isn't turning up a whole heck of a lot. Now that I'm looking even further, it looks like "Windows Activation Services" has something to do with IIS 7.0, not product activation.

    Since I can't find anything on Google, and this is /., I'm going to stick my own opinion out there:

    All versions of XP except for volume-licensed versions of Business and Enterprise (which is only being released on a volume license deal) will have product activation. The number of corporate users who will actually buy the Ultimate Edition is a small enough fraction (and most likely, will wield enough political power - I.E. CEO types who think it's neat to have all the toys, and can make somebody else do all the gruntwork for them) that product activation isn't going to be a big deal for that version.

    So, if you want any of the home features, you're going to be stuck with product activation IMO.

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  46. Mhhh... nope... signing is about DRM... by juancn · · Score: 2, Informative

    >While it's great to suspect some extortion/conspiracy theory, the signed driver
    >requirement is in place so that it'll be much harder for Hacker McPhee to install that
    >driver rootkit on your machine.

    Actually the real reason is to close the equivalent of the 'analog loophole' in software.

    The easiest way to bypass DRM, for let's say, copyrighted music, in a highly DRMed system, is to write 'fake' soundcard driver. The driver would capture the unencripted audio in digital form.

    You could even write a video card driver to capture video.

  47. 2D GPU; Pricing; Policing by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The last thing I want is some fancy pants CPU hog with Rosie O'Donnel sized memory footprints running around in the background!

    I'd argue that offloading the graphic generation from the CPU/RAM to a video board and video memory might be a good thing. It could mean a more responsive GUI, less bogged down processor, and a better user experience.

    The real pirates are going to try everything to be able to crack and sell these advanced copies. They'll do it regardless of what features Windows has. There's already speculation on how to do it [com.com].

    Don't make it 1K and you'll be in business. Take Adobe's offerings for example. 1600-2000USD for Production Studio ( http://www.adobe.com/products/productionstudio/mai n.html ). They're obviously targeting business and TV stations that can afford such a thing. Meanwhile, students and home users looking to have some fun making neat videos are of course going to pirate. Macromedia Studio 8 (Flash and Dreamweaver) - $999USD. The home user wanting to make a cool Web page suffers.

    Pricing always leads to pirating. Make it a pain in the @$$ and offer it for $50 for home users, or sell groups of licenses (4 computers per street address) and most people will buy. Make it $500 and people won't. Windows XP is $200USD, Word in itself is $180USD! It's a question of value. These days the OS costs as much if not more than a new PC!

    Sell high to enterprise, and low to home and small business. Get people hooked on Office, so that if they go to a place of business, they're pre-trained in it. Make it cheap and attainable for home users and few-man office shops.

    If you're making one version more secure than another, you're simply admitting that you're not too concerned about the minimal package being pirated but you cannot afford to have Aero pirated.

    I don't think this is it. If an organization is pirating Windows, which is extremely common in businesses, then they'll stand out like a sore thumb as I'm sure the 'basic' version won't be a corporate offering. It's like a call-home. The 'Microsoft Police' come in and will very simply see what computers look crappy and which don't. You know where the licenses are right away. You can't assume a license is there, as you'll see it. As a user in a University, you'll see right away which PCs are legit.

    -M
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  48. Hey waitaminnit!!! by Aero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since when was I going to be "available" to pirates in the first place??? Guess I need to go into hiding before the next Talk Like A Pirate Day...

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  49. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by Zone-MR · · Score: 2, Informative

    If the current beta versions of Vista are anything to go by, the signed driver requirment will not be strictly enforced. In the present builds there is an option in the bootloader (F8 during startup), where you can select "Enable Unsigned Drivers" or something like that.

    The implementation makes sense - it stops lusers from getting rootkitted by running a bad attachments, yet allows those who know what they are doing to bypass the checks.

  50. Microsoft doesn't want that by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd take it one step further and change the mouse to an oversized hot pink X with a desktop that says "Liscence key not valid". Anyone seeing that on someone elses computer would know it was stolen and there might be social pressure to pay for what you can steal.

    But they don't want that. Microsoft has never really tried to cut off illegal users in all these years, although it could've done so at any point. They were content with that fact that piracy made their products spread and made them a de factor standard.

    They cannot afford to actually hurt Windows users, even non-paying ones. The very fact that they're starting to do things like this now has a clear meaning for me: their sales are going down.

    Their revenue is starting to take a turn for the worse to the point they have to start tightening the knot. As long as money was coming in thick they could afford to ignore the pirates. They don't ignore them anymore. Think about it. Why not? Dunno, it's just a speculation, but it makes damn good sense.

    As for the pink bunny screen, no sane software produced would do that in a million years, for exactly the reasons above. You can be pretty sure that someone you embarass like that will NEVER buy. A MAYBE is better than NEVER. As long as there's a chance in hell of a purchase, they'll let the pirate be, no matter how loud they cry "thief" via BSA and all that.

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  51. Aero isn't just eye candy by courtarro · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I want to respond to all the comments that reduce Aero to a simple extension of the goofy Luna theme from XP. Aero is not a skin; it is a completely different way of conveying GUIs to the user. Everyone knows by now that it's rendering the "eye candy" parts of the system with the graphics card in 3D mode - that's Big Deal A, which I see as a big feature but everyone has committed themselves to discounting. However, what seems to be missed is Big Deal B: rather than every component of each program's UI being rendered as bitmaps, it is now possible to build your entire interface as a vector.

    This means that you'll no longer have Windows' ugly "Large Fonts" mode for high-dpi monitors (like those on a laptop that display 1600x1200 in a 14" LCD) - rather, you'll simply tell Windows the DPI of your monitor and it will be able to scale the entire system UI to fit - from icons to text to graphical elements in the GUI. Instead of having to choose between a) everything being really small, b) using a lower, non-native resolution that causes your LCD to become blurry, or c) putting up with "Large Fonts" mode, you will now simply enjoy the same-sized interface but with greater clarity.

    This seems like a minor point, but it removes a huge barrier that, in my opinion, has plagued applications since day 1: dependence on pixel size. This is the most important aspect of Aero, and it really is something MS can be proud of if they pull it off. Licensing, pirating, and "activation" issues aside, the Aero interface in Vista will be something that every teenage girl and geek alike will want, in the end. It will make our computing experience just a little bit better.

    Check out this video if you want to understand why Aero really is something important: http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=1146 94

    Vector icons: http://www.iconbase.com/iconbase/aero-eps.html

  52. So let me get this straight by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But it's not just pirates who will be blocked from Windows' fanciest graphics. The Aero display also won't be available to those who buy Windows Vista Basic, the low-end consumer version of the operating system.

    So for about two, maybe three weeks "pirates" won't get Aero but the honest guy can't afford to pay full price never gets it?

    Yep, that sounds like the M$ I know and love...

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  53. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by throx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Drivers aren't signed until they are tested and certified by Microsoft, right?

    No, this isn't the case. You can sign drivers yourself if you have a code signing cert from Verisign and have registered with MS to get a cert signed by them. The manditory signing is only on x64 versions too.

    This means "beta" drivers will be signed by their developers and runnable on Vista. The net effect of the code signing is it just raises the bar a little on who can write drivers for the system, and potentially causes headaches for open source drivers like ext2 and winpcap (which is where I see the main problem).

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  54. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No kidding! Like yourself I have been very careful about exposing my PC and (touch wood) have not been hit by a virus for about the same amount of time as yourself. I just bought a brand new Dell and I can't believe the garbage that is installed. It took me an hour just to uninstall and delete the garbage software I did not want! The hackers are not the problem (ok they are), but software companies are just as much of a problem.

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  55. Re:Duly Noted by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny
    I'm pretty sure there's a rule against using "Rosie O'Donnel" and "erect" in the same sentence.

    I would upgrade that to "natural law".

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  56. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by skinnytie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I assume you've never built anything for which you need to write drivers.

    The idea of paying for a cert for my TG-16 to serial connector is absurd. Freedoms are being removed.
    Granted, they are being removed legally and from a software I choose to use. Legality and right doesn't always imply ideal or freedom.

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  57. Re:Duly Noted by brentyl2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sir, may you be cursed with the fleas of a thousand camels. My retinas are still smoldering from the image you presented. Damn you and all you stand for!

    Eccchhh.

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  58. Why ISPs would want Treacherous Network Connect by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    What would motivate them to exclude customers like that?

    A specification called "Trusted Network Connect" has been published on the TrustedComputingGroup.org web site. Implementations of TNC collect "endpoint configuration information", allowing the owner of a network to deny a computer access to the network unless it meets the following requirements:

    1. it has a TPM that is turned on,
    2. it is running an operating system version that has been approved by the network owner and not modified, and
    3. it is running a dialer program that has been approved by the network owner and not modified.

    Dialer programs under TNC are charged with enforcing the integrity of the runtime environment on the computer being connected to the network. Now to answer your question, the integrity checks will often include the following features:

    • scanning for viruses, worms, spyware, and spam zombies;
    • verifying that the latest operating system patches and device drivers have been installed;
    • scanning for popular file sharing software and scanning for all-rights-reserved works in shared folders;
    • blocking access to resources deemed illegal by a government agency or by an entertainment industry trade association;
    • enforcing quality of service guidelines such as bandwidth caps and low priority for traffic other than web browsing and receiving e-mail;
    • blocking those incoming and outgoing ports dictated by the network owner;
    • blocking programs other than those approved by the network owner from accessing the Internet; and
    • other features that network owners would find useful.

    TNC may initially sound benign or even desirable when the network owner is an employer. But imagine when the network is that of a residential Internet service provider, and customers have to pay extra per month to get some of the QOS changed or to unblock specific ports. Once almost all computers still in operation have a working TPM (again, by 2015), both the local cable company and the local telephone company are likely to see TNC as a cash cow for their residential Internet access customers. TNC would let them advertise anti-malware, anti-spam, parental control, and helping in the fight against terrorism and child pornography. They're likely to deny you an IP address unless your machine is "trusted". Those 2 percent or fewer customers using a computer without a TPM would just be considered collateral damage who can just go back to dial-up.

    1. Re:Why ISPs would want Treacherous Network Connect by Fanboy+Troy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Today it would be near impossible. But by 2015, you're right, that could become a reality. But as I have replied to you in the past, the best way to defy such a future is to make that 2% a considerable 10% by actually 'showing the finger' to TPM and using linux or any other non-tpm platform. This is why you (as a developer if I sensed right) should be striving for a TPM-free future and not 'get stuck on' a scanner. ;)

  59. Re:Microsoft Monopoly & Windows Genuine Advant by aaronl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That certificate costs several thousand dollars. There will likely be additional fees from Microsoft.

    What this means is that low-volume hardware becomes instantly more expensive, and amateur driver developers are locked out. You won't even be loading a test driver into your system without getting it signed. That should make driver dev a whole lot of fun.

    What do you get out of this? Why, DRM, and nothing else, of course.

    This is yet another reason that I *must* avoid Vista in my organization. Some of the software that is critical here uses unsigned drivers. Some hardware is out of production, and the latest driver is years old. I'm not throwing out my infrastructure just because Microsoft decided to sleep with Hollywood; I'll be throwing out Microsoft, because it's far less expensive to do.

  60. Wow! Welcome to the 1990s! by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    "rather, you'll simply tell Windows the DPI of your monitor and it will be able to scale the entire system UI to fit - from icons to text to graphical elements in the GUI."

    Isn't this pretty much what X Windows and OSF/Motif and Display PostScript and so forth were doing in the early 1990s?

    Why on earth should that require any more graphics processing power than is available in the humblest modern CPU?

    1. Re:Wow! Welcome to the 1990s! by krischik · · Score: 2, Informative

      You forgot to mention that there successors like KDE are still doing it.

      Martin

  61. XWindows KDE/GNOME got that all today. by krischik · · Score: 2, Informative

    "and it really is something MS can be proud of if they pull it off"

    Why! Microsoft only has caught on. The only thing they can be proud if is there marketing department selling us stuff "cool and new" which the competition had for 10 years.

    Martin

    http://www.kde-look.org/