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Web 2.0 Goes To Work
An anonymous reader writes "News.com is reporting on analyst predictions that Web 2.0 has begun meeting up with enterprise software in the business world." From the article: "Buttoned-down IBM, which mainly sells to businesses, on Wednesday detailed QEDwiki, for example. The project is meant to let people assemble Web applications using wikis, really simple syndication (RSS) and simple Web scripting. Similarly, the grassroots direct-marketing techniques of the consumer world are starting to be used to tout enterprise software, analysts said. The enterprise software market, once the hotbed of innovation, is starting to catch up to the consumer Web, where people are becoming used to melding data from their desktop with services online. It's a shift that could shake up the traditional enterprise-software model, experts predicted. "
The enterprise will always be behind for the simple fact that any new sort of technology assumes a certain amount of risk and that risk is most apparent when that technology is new.
Even something as straight forward as a wiki will be seen as a risk. When wiki's were first being utilized, I'm sure every PHB out there was asking the statement, "There's no way we can trust our customers to provide documentation, at least not without some sort of oversight by us!"
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I thought Web 2.0 was still in beta.
For example, Web 2.0 technologies such as blogs and AJAX are starting to show their potential behind corporate firewalls, analysts said.
Ugh. If you are going to use a buzz word, at least try to use in the right way. I keep a blog and there is nothing 2.0 (collaborative) about it.
-Grey
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It's a shift that could shake up the traditional enterprise-software model, experts predicted
When haven't they predicted this?
All I read about Web 2.0 is that it's a bubble, a new name for already working technologies... but with all this new publicity I ended up knowing nothing.
Can anybody tell me WTF Web 2.0 is (supposed to be)?
A friend has been working incredibly hard (heh) to get his latest project up (fnar) and pumping. (Ooer!)
Yes, it's Smutr, the fully Web 2.0 automated smut delivery system. Has pastel shades, rounded corners, beta status, AJAX and all that jizz, sorry, jazz.
(It was another friend who created Wankr. Maybe I should look for new friends...)
Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
and finally, we can see some change from same old MVC over EJB stuff in entriprise web apps... enough of it!
The project is meant to let people assemble Web applications using wikis, really simple syndication (RSS) and simple Web scripting. Similarly, the grassroots direct-marketing techniques of the consumer world are starting to be used to tout enterprise software, analysts said. The enterprise software market, once the hotbed of innovation, is starting to catch up to the consumer Web, where people are becoming used to melding data from their desktop with services online.
Ok I'm a web developer working every day with "web 2.0" concepts and applying them in practise. But hell if I have idea what the hell the summary means.
Good luck reaching consumers with stuff like that.
Remember when PCs first showed up in enterprises, being carried in secretly because enterprises had explicit rules that those "toys" were not to be brought in?
People did anyway, because of tools like Visicalc that gave unprecedented power to the individual, compared to the then-prevalent mainframe where the "gods of IT" had the power only.
Web 2.0 is the equivalent for Network Computing.
Web 2.0 Goes To Work
Ahw.. come on.. where is the site with news for nerds where they don't need to care about buzz- and powerwords?
I've had heard slashdot is such a place... But that's LONG ago...
I hate the Web 2.0 hype as much as anyone, but if you havent checked out Pageflakes at www.pageflakes.com, you dont know what Web 2.0 is, or can be. Very cool implementation (no, I dont work for them, or know anyone who works with them) and some of their stuff was done with .NET. Go figure?
That was so lame.. like.. beyond gay.
assemble Web applications... wikis... RSS... Web scripting... grassroots direct-marketing... enterprise software... hotbed of innovation... consumer Web... melding data... services online... shake up the traditional enterprise-software model...
And that's just the excerpt that slashdot copied. Reading the article would doubtless be an even more hilarious delve into the wacky world of web 2.0 buzzword bingo.
No matter what technology is employed, people are once again realising that the online world is the place to be. So people want money right? Right. And if you can think of somthing first and make it work first, you could end up with a giant pay out + fame and fourtune right? Ok, maybe.
So, while we may be anoyed with all the buzzwords and hype, realise that the world is moving forward with 2.0 so quit whining, and get out there and develop stuff so we dont have to live with what IMB thinks is web 2.0
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Meta will eat itself
WTF is Web 2.0?
There are different degrees of gayness.
There's gay.
Then über-gay.
Then finally, Sorbo-gay
I don't know who made this up, but trust me, next time you're at a party and somebody starts in with the Web 2.0 talk, you can turn to him and say, "that's Sorbo-gay!" and the girl next to him will start talking to you.
Who am I kidding, there are no girls that such parties.
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Web 2.0 Goes to Jail
Shit, did you go to DeVry or something?
"...analyst predictions that Web 2.0 has begun meeting up with enterprise software" So has Web 2.0 begun meeting up or are analysts just predicting it has begun meeting up? And what kind of technology writer uses phrases like "meeting up" instead of something like: "matrix frictionless markets" "mesh granular solutions" "transform interactive models"
-STankyG
People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances...
I met Web 2.0 at the all-hands meeting last week, and I have to say he's a real jerk. Talk about a megalomaniac.
I work at a small financial services company and we're currently replacing the in-house contact management system that was written in Access/VB. Our new replacemenet is in Ruby On Rails /w an interface that mimics that of a real operating system. Views all of edit tags taht spring up boxen that can be moved around like real windows, edit you data, hit save, ajax updates all the fields on the view page all your dialog box closes. To the users, its quick and mimcs the interface their used to while completely negating the problems of being tied to the office/VPN/db connections/ODBC connections, etc.
This is the revolution.
I like how this writer acts like the business world has successfully figured out enterprise architectures and SOA for such a long time, and now even regular home users that are nothing more than hackers are doing the very same thing.
Riiiggghhhtttt.... I'd like to see this writer's experience with enterprise architectures. The book for the business world is just at the beginning of being written. It's far from closed.
Slashdot.. where people join together in deliberate ignorance.
> the grassroots direct-marketing techniques of the consumer world are starting to be used to tout enterprise software
I hope that doesn't mean unwanted phone calls just as you are about to eat dinner.
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Actually I think "technologies" here really means "solutions" (a real buzzword-of-buzzwords); basically people are saying/complaining that if they went out right now and grabbed an AJAX package and a Wiki package, melded the two of them together, it would be insecure.
I don't think there's any debate that if you planned it well, you could make a secure web-delivered application using AJAX and which had some wiki-like functions (at least as secure as any other web delivered application), but a ground-up coding effort isn't what most PHBs (or really anyone else) wants. They want something that's basically COTS, and they can basically roll out, customize a little with their logo, and be done with. "Production ready," in other words.
Notwithstanding the naiveté inherent in this ideal, I think what they're saying is that the technology is not quite there because nobody has sat down and designed something that would be secure, but none of the potential users really want to do that. They'd rather just call it "not ready" and "immature" until somehow the work gets done, and they can turn around and deploy it.
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IMB. Is that like HLA?
Just not in a cross platform way. I have seen enterprise software companies use complex DHTML, xmlHttp Request etc... since 1999, but there is a catch-- they were often software packages, and they were IE only. The concept of "Open" dynamic applications is new--- i.e. not linked to a specific browser.
To list one example, General Interface (if I remember correctly, as they were bought by tibco this year) Produced a complete, webservices aware javascript toolkit so sophisticated its IDE was built with it(in javascript) Their first release was in 2001 or so. The catch was it only worked in IE and you had to pay enterprise rates for it.
And don't forget (as much as people may not wish to acknowledge it) outlook web access, which displayed a lot of this technology for the first time, was never fully developed. (its far more sophiticated on IE than firefox, of course) If outlook/exchange s not enterprise, I'm not sure what is.
Its very true that internal IT departments can be very hesitant to try new things in the risk-reduction environment they live in, but within enterprise software there is sometimes more willingness to try some things because you have much more control over the platform.
My impression of Web 2.0 is that no single web site has to engineer every one of its part, nor there must be a hardwired master-slave anymore. A travel site might get its presentation services from google-maps, its hotel list from Sabre, financial transactions from citibank, and so-on. There will be all these services sitting around- presentation, search, news, banking, streaming video, etc., etc. which can be easily glued with utilities like xml, AJAX, etc.
"It's a shift that could shake up the traditional enterprise-software model, experts predicted."
Funnily it's the tradional enterprise software experts who rage against the "unsecure" "hype" "for which the technology is unfit" that is web 2.0. I doubt their motives, but the marketeers feed them plenty of hype word ammo.
Yeah, but the word we're talking about is 'blogs.' It's main purpose as a word is to help people who would feel sissy about keeping a diary keep a diary. It's not exactly an important word we're dealing with here.
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It's not just the Pointy Headed Boss that should be asking this. Any sys-admin through to junior technician that's worth their salt should shy away from implimenting bleeding edge technologies or ideas in a mainstream production environment.
I might be able to cope with using apt-get or SUS to download and install patchs FULL without testing (who has the time or resources to thourghly test every patch?? We test on a disposable server to see if it crashes on install - end of story). But any IT person who races to impliment the latest fad in their corporate infrastructure is an incompetent boob. In my experience the PHB (business boss not IT manager) needs the technicians to reign in their enthusiastic urge to "lets do it".
Quit bullshitting, Dot.Nethead - you're out of your league.
Securityspace has statistics for javascript penetration at sites in their Technology Penetration Report.
But who knows how many sites use javascript properly? And despite your woeful claims, javascript is a security risk.
How is a wiki based application an example of Web 2.0? WikiWikiWeb was first created in 1994 and wikis have been somewhat programmable for quite some time. Not saying it isn't a cool idea, just saying it isn't Web 2.0. Unless of course Web 2.0 just means "everything we do from now on". Sigh.
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