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Wisdom From The Last Ninja

I Could Tell You But... writes "The AP has a story about ninjutsu master Masaaki Hatsumi, last living student of Japan's last 'fighting ninja.' He offers advice from the heart of Ninjadom, like 'always be able to kill your students,' and describes the current popular ninja image as 'pathetic.' At age 76, students are speculating on his successor, who may for the first time be non-Japanese." From the article: "As I cautiously raise the sword with a taut two-handed samurai grip, my sparring partner gingerly points to Hatsumi. I avert my eyes for a split second - and WHAM! The next thing I know, I'm staring at the rafters. Keeping your focus is just one of the lessons thumped out on the mats of the Bujinkan Dojo, a cramped school outside Tokyo that is a pilgrimage site for 100,000 worldwide followers. They revere Hatsumi as the last living master of ninjutsu - the mysterious Japanese art of war practiced by black-masked assassins of yesteryear."

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  1. Like, wow by Life700MB · · Score: 2, Funny


    Ninjas kill all the time! And don't even think about it!


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    1. Re:Like, wow by JambisJubilee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why ninjas are the ultimate paradox; on the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, ninjas are very careful and precise.

  2. wow, ninjas by joe+155 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "always be able to kill you students" is brilliant advice... I know I'll be taking that one to heart when I'm lecturing... that'll show them for being late/taking phone calls/ talking over me. :)

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    1. Re:wow, ninjas by dakirw · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's only good advice if your students actually believe you can kill them.

      Not if you provide an object lesson! :)
    2. Re:wow, ninjas by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's why you should distrust the idea of tradition. After all, all those secrets were once innovations - gussying them up in the austere robes of tradition hides the fact that there was experimentation and trial-and-error in their origins. The "art" is really what happens when a "science" gets stodgy and cautious.

  3. Students? by daeg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure, he can beat his students, but what about pirates?

    1. Re:Students? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

      you know, it turns out that pirates were extremely smelly and extrememly homosexual. This should be obvious if you think it over -- hundred of men confined to a small space. Anyhow, when you consider that, "piracy" is the right word for slashdotters downloading warez.

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  4. The Pirates will be pleased.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Their numbers continue to rise (according to the *AA anyway)...

  5. I wonder if he teaches . . . by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . about Real Ultimate Power?

  6. any questions? by LiquidMind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if you're ever curious about anything relating to ninjas and you want a straight, no bs answer, you can always ask a ninja.

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  7. News for anime fags, inane koans that matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, I'll be sure to stay prepared to kill my students. Fat programmers with aspergers can never be too careful.

  8. Perhaps you should ask... A NINJA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was a young boy, I awoke every morning to the delicious smell of pancakes. My mother, and father's dojo contained within it a hot griddle perfect for making pancakes, waffles, and a multitude of other pancake-like breakfast pastries. I remember them well -- The pleasant, care-free days of my childhood in the dojo were often spent peering into the kitchen with eager anticipation as my mother prepared pancakes my family.

    As I grew older, and began my journey to spiritual enlightenment, the memories of my pancake-eating youth filled my heart and dreams with warm, fluffy goodness....Ahhh, yes..the sweet, sweet memories... The day I ate 10 pancakes... The day I placed a warm pancake between my fleshy loins and performed the forbidden dance... The day pressed a pancake to my buttocks and encouraged my dog to come eat.. Indeed, much of my childhood was spent in pure innocence -- An innocence only pancakes can provide. It was heaven. A heaven, filled with pancakes, where I sat at the throne of God, with my hand-maidens Aunt Jemimah and Mrs. Butterworth seated beside me. An indestructible triumvirate made of flour, eggs, sugar, milk, water, and love.

    By the age of 15, the path of my life became unclear and confusing. Torn between my duty my village and my love for pancakes, I foolishly left home in search of karaguchi ah-nowakadesu .. the ultimate pancake. My journey took me to the many islands of my homeland, many days away from my dojo. My hunger for pancakes became my teacher, and foolishly I let it control the path that I walked upon. My feet, sore from travel, ached as my heart and stomach did, until I came to a realization. My duty was clear. I needed to take a stand and accept my love for the art of the ninja AND my love for pancakes. It was not wrong for me to love both. I love one as a dear friend, and one as a lover. Yes--My mission was clear--I must become a ninja, a secret assassin hired by the imperial family BUT I MUST ALSO ENJOY THE OCCASIONAL PANCAKE.

    My adoration for breakfast cakes has placed me within an awkward position. Many ninja refuse to recognize me as their brother. I defend my father's land, but I am looked upon as weak and undisciplined. I tell them, "But, brothers! Listen to my plea! The pancakes do not weaken me, nor do they make me disobey the rule of my sword. They fill me with love." But alas, they do not understand...For the mind of a ninja is complex.

    My only earthly desire is to be accepted for who I am. Yes, I am a NINJA--But I also enjoy pancakes. Will you accept me? If you were approached by a ninja who requested a pancake, would you submit to his will?

  9. Re:Know what Really Pisses Me Off? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at the quotes in the article, it's meaningless blabber.

    He who does not listen, does not hear.

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  10. Everything You Ever Wanted To Know by itsdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everything you ever wanted to know about ninjas

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWGgul_mZU

  11. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by layer3switch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sniper Rifles aren't much good in close quarters combat..

    Would you like to find out? Meet me at the railroad near Queens Blvd. and 74th Street intersection where street light shines down on you and make sure you wear red coat with green hat.

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  12. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, you're right. Sniper rifles aren't very good in close combat unless your opponent is agreeable to the propostion of meeting you under a street light by the railroad near Queens Blvd. and 74th Street intersection, wearing a red coat with a green hat.

  13. Re:Ninja skillz by RockWolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently, you lack ninja skills.

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  14. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone can kill with a gun. % year old, to 100 year old . Plus the farther the range the more detationed from the kill.

    It takes a real man to drive a sword into somebody.

    By man, I mean psycho.

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  15. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ninja is actually the art of bullshit. Seriously, the stories surrounding 'ninja' were part of the edge the ninja had. Talk up a good story, and no one will mess with you. Misdirection and cheap shots under the auspices of "quickest kill" led to its current incarnation.

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  16. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by Too+many+errors,+bai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not always possible to have a clear shot. In such cases, a hidden knife to the throat can just be the solution.

  17. It is obvious to the most simple minded fool that by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chuck Norris will be chosen as successor.

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  18. Bah. The real ninja tests are not in the article by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Ninjas' are mammels.
    2. Ninja's fight all the time.
    3. The purpose of a ninja is to flip out and kill people

  19. Re:This is news for nerds? Stuff that matters? by RootsLINUX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Exactly what I was thinking. While I think ninja's are totally awesome like every other mammal on the planet, I think we all agree that not all nerds are also mammals.....

    Oh, god damn it. I just had a terrible vision of RMS in skin-tight ninja gear carrying out an assasination mission in Redmond. I think my only option is to commit seppuku at this point.

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  20. Quick quiz... by chill · · Score: 2, Funny

    What "...preserves the honor of the Bujinkan members, it indicates you are part of a larger whole--one whose members come together with warrior hearts to better themselves through training and friendship. It evinces the glory of warrior virtue, and embodies both loyalty and brotherly love." ?

    Why, the required membership card, of course! Don't leave dojo without it!

    http://www.bujinkan.com/guidelines.htm (#6)

      -Charles

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  21. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Funny

    While any monkey can use a firearm, it will not protect you against a trained assassin that observes your movements and launches a suprise attack.

    Getting shot without knowing where the fuck it came from sounds pretty surprising to me...

    smoke screens are known anti-sniper tactics.

    So is an umbrella... Hence the birth of Smart Bomb.

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  22. Re:mirror by Trouvist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did anyone else see the occasional italicized letter in that? I'm a lazy bastard or else I would go find them all and whip out my own smithy code decrypting skillz.

  23. Disgruntled Ninja Silently Kills 12 Co-Workers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
  24. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by MagicDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If killing is your only goal, then yes, a sniper rifle is just as good, and requires less training. However, suppose your goal is to kill the target, and then take his briefcase full of secrets. Shooting him from 500 yards will just cause attention to swarm around the target and you'll never get those missle silo sites. There's where you need a ninja to sneak in, dispatch with the bodyguard, slit the target's throat, slice off his hand above the wrist to get rid of the handcuff connecting the target to the breifcase, and then disapear into the night.

  25. Purple prose by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Timing is the most difficult," he adds, while casually deflecting a gleaming metal sword swung at his neck by a veteran student. After the turning the blade on the attacker, Hatsumi gives his arm a slight twist, eliciting a baleful yelp.

    I really despise prose like this in newspaper articles. I find it hard to believe that that is an exact account of what happened, so it just destroys the article's credibility and makes it seem like the writer is just trying to write a third rate action novel.

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    1. Re:Purple prose by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a lot of mystical reverence given to ninjas in the west. I'm sure what happened was impressive but would be less god-like if we saw a video. The article makes him seem like an invincible deity or something. Ninjitsu is more down-to-earth than that, you know? A form of stealthy military and danger avoidance training. They make it seem like people go to this place to train and become mythic ninjas who are inhumanly invincible. I guess I don't like any kind of deification in the press.

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    2. Re:Purple prose by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative
      I really despise prose like this in newspaper articles. I find it hard to believe that that is an exact account of what happened, so it just destroys the article's credibility and makes it seem like the writer is just trying to write a third rate action novel.

      First of all, the guy writing the article admits he's no martial artist and is somewhat starry eyed.

      Second of all, it doesn't sound all that far fetched. If they're really training with real bladed weapons (not for the novice), that could be exactly what happened. I've seen demonstrations by some old (and old-school) martial artists which aren't that far from this.

      Some little, tiny, old asian man tells two strapping young black-belts to come at him with wooden swords -- in a shockingly short period of time, both young hearty blackbelts are staring up at the ceiling wondering how they could have done things differently.

      A friend was at a martial-arts film festival in Toronto, and they pulled him up on stage for a demonstration. A 60-year old man who had been in a bunch of films said "come at me" -- several witnesses confirm in slightly less than 1 second, my friend was spun around, *lightly* struck on the head, *gently* thumped to the floor, and placed into rather painful an arm bar -- by a man who was both amazingly fast, and very dilligent about not breaking the volunteer. He applied just enough pressure to demonstrate he could have done more, but didn't even leave him with a bump, bruise, or any lasting pain.

      I don't remember the exact set of near-beatings which were applied, but the speed was something to behold. My friend assures me he doesn't really know what the heck happened -- just that the arm-bar was enough to assure him the guy applying it could have broken his arm has he chosen -- the only thing he knows is it was all over before he was sure it was ready to begin.

      Seriously, if this guy has been doing this quite so long -- dodging a sword, taking it from you, and twisting your arm into an uncomfortable position isn't exactly a stretch to believe.

      Don't believe me? Walk into an Aikido dojo and ask for a demonstration. You might see things in a different light. A modern master is amazing -- an old school master from the last of the REAL old school masters -- something utterly amazing to behold. Especially the ones who use things with sharp edges and the like.

      As schamltzy as the reputation of martial arts is in film, and as much as you don't like the prose in the article, you should be aware of the fact that anyone who has been doing martial arts for *that* long is probably an exceedingly quick sonofabitch. And, chances are, when a bunch of young guys travel from all over the world to train with you, you're probably pretty amazing.

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    3. Re:Purple prose by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      the guy let go, apologized, and said after training for so long its just relfexive.

      *laugh* At that point, that's not just training, that's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

      NOBODY is that twitchy unless they're reliving something a little too often. :-P
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    4. Re:Purple prose by carcosa30 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is absolutely correct. I've never seen Haatsumi but I've seen students of his students and they're pretty darn good.

      I've also seen Dan Inosanto, who is on Haatsumi's level, and that guy is the quickest person I've ever seen anywhere. Flat out amazing.

      Something nobody talks about with regards to these guys is how durable they are. For you to do martial arts for that long, if there was anything wrong with your body physically-- in fact if you weren't a near-perfect physical specimen-- you would have washed out long ago.

      Bujinkan and ninjutsu are unfairly discredited. I do think that a lot of ninjutsu students in the US buy into the mystique quite a bit too much and it's rather annoying. There's something very cultlike about bujinkan schools and I just don't see the damn point of that. But props to them for "keepin it real" after all these years, unlike so many other arts, and through duress and great pressure to sell out.

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    5. Re:Purple prose by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "reflexive response" ... is complete bullshit. I second your opinion.

      Especially pro fighters (like seals, air craft pilots etc.) learn NOT TO ACT from a reflex. Sure, they have every learnd subconsious to be able to let it lose like a reflex. But they also learn to give the start signal very consiousness. Basically you really are in the mood to only rely on reflexes when you are in a battle condition. And you dont go into the battle condition by a mere reflex.

      angel'o'sphere

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  26. To the death by Mashei · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hatsumi is the only living student of the last "fighting ninja," Toshitsugu Takamatsu, the so-called 33rd Grand Master who was a bodyguard to officials in Japanese-occupied Manchuria before World War II and fought - and won - 12 fights to the death.

    ...Rumors of Takamatsu's death still abound to this day, but scholars estimate it occurred sometime after, but before the end of, his thirteenth fight to the death.

  27. Some insight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have studied under Hatsumi, years ago. Before a lot of the current 'purpose built' combatives were created for military and govt. use, he and his instructors would train select U.S. govt. and military personnel.

    Someone mentioned that "ninjitsu is the art of assassination". An inaccurate statement.

    Ninpo Taijitsu (a very rough translation would be ninja combat), as taught under the Bujinkan, consists of several different schools. Stealth, sword combat, locking/holding/throwing, striking, etc. are some examples of the different schools, each with their own head instructor.

    There is a famous story from the '50s (?, maybe '60s) where the Japanese National Judo Champion (at the time he was also the world champion) essentially 'called out' Hatsumi and ninpo taijitsu as a 'fraud'. Said champion was invited to face off with Hatsumi. Hatsumi proved he was no fraud, and shortly thereafter the Judo champion became one of the senior instructors at the 'judo' school of the Bujinkan.

    Hatsumi is the real deal. I've seen him run along the top of chain link fences. At one seminar, a 250+ lb. Marine spoke up and said "Ok I know you're good, but really...in combat - what are you going to do to me?". Hatsumi sqared off with the Marine, and had him on the ground and incapacitated very rapidly. No ego, no bravado - just a teacher who understands that you must be able to demonstrate that what you teach will work for real.

    Hatsumis instructor, Takamatsu, was (for lack of a better term) a real life 'ninja'. He was an agent/assassin/etc. for hire that worked for various warlords in the late 1800s.

    Do some searches on Hatsumi and Takamatsu - I believe you guys will find some very interesting reading.

    Sadly, when Hatsumi leaves us the Bujinkan will probably never be seen again in its current form, with one true Master overseeing all of the various schools that comprise Ninpo Taijitsu. It will truly be the end of an era.

    Regards,

    Former (novice) student of the Bujinkan

    1. Re:Some insight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah the stories of Hatsumi abound in the Bujinkan. Problem is:

      1) They all (supposedly) happened a long time ago.
      2) There were no reliable witnesses.
      3) The opponent may not have been fighting back.
      4) People continually exagerrate them.

      I've heard the same stories told to me time and time again by various Bujinkan students. Each time the embellishment gets more and more outrageous. What you never hear are CURRENT stories about the fighting greatness of the Bujinkan leader and his senior students. When I go into a grappling school, judo school or kickboxing school you know the instructor can kick butt because he gets out there and, well, kicks butt. He doesn't just sit there and talk about what he did 30+ years ago.

      Look, fighting is hard work. Anyone who says it's not is lying. Also size and weight matter no matter what people tell you. If you are going up against someone 100lbs heavier than you with an equivalent skill level you will probably lose. These are just the facts. Anyone who does serious sparring against resisting opponents knows this. To think that a 76 year old man is going around throwing around guys half his age with ease is silly. They're either cooperative opponents or so incredibly untrained they may as well be cooperative.

    2. Re:Some insight by Serzen · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Also size and weight matter no matter what people tell you. If you are going up against someone 100lbs heavier than you with an equivalent skill level you will probably lose. These are just the facts. Anyone who does serious sparring against resisting opponents knows this.

      I've two very good friends who are into the Bujinkan, a husband and wife team. He just recently was awarded the right to teach, and has opened a school where he is co-instructor with a much more senior member, one who has taken the "sword test" referred to in TFA. She, on the other hand, is a relative novice, and is lucky, on a good day, to measure in at 5'3".

      At a demonstration I sponsored in June, she was able to show quite convincingly how a very small woman is able to take down, bind and otherwise incapacitate an assailant a foot taller, and several tens of pounds heavier. The assailant in this case was a student of classical Okinawan karate with an aproximately equal skill level. Her husband did the same on a man, again, markedly out massing him, who is well trained in akido and Shindo-muso-mu (I might be spelling that wrong).

      SIZE is not the determining factor. TECHNIQUE is. Regardless of how well your opponent resists, it is, simply put, child's play to defeat an opponent, even one of equal or greater skill, if you adhere to basic principles of technique. I can say from long experience that the victory goes not to the best trained, but to the one who fails to make mistakes.

      To think that a 76 year old man is going around throwing around guys half his age with ease is silly. They're either cooperative opponents or so incredibly untrained they may as well be cooperative.

      To make such judgements without knowing the facts is silly. You talk about serious sparring, but if you're willing to make outrageous statements like this, I highly doubt that you take what you are doing that seriously.

    3. Re:Some insight by Sam+Gibson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Roger that. If Bujinkan was all that good they'd BE the Judo or BJJ champs. As it is they're a bunch of LARPers and Asiaphiliacs. http://www.bullshido.net/

    4. Re:Some insight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've two very good friends who are into the Bujinkan, a husband and wife team. He just recently was awarded the right to teach, and has opened a school where he is co-instructor with a much more senior member, one who has taken the "sword test" referred to in TFA. She, on the other hand, is a relative novice, and is lucky, on a good day, to measure in at 5'3".

      At a demonstration I sponsored in June, she was able to show quite convincingly how a very small woman is able to take down, bind and otherwise incapacitate an assailant a foot taller, and several tens of pounds heavier. The assailant in this case was a student of classical Okinawan karate with an aproximately equal skill level. Her husband did the same on a man, again, markedly out massing him, who is well trained in akido and Shindo-muso-mu (I might be spelling that wrong).


      I don't believe you. Or I should say, I don't believe he was really fighting back. I take Brazilian Jiujitsu and help train with a bunch of guys who all do cage fighting. Size matters. The idea that a small woman who is physically much weaker than a man going up and throwing him around like a ragdoll is a lie. I've been training in martial arts for 20+ years and have two black belts in two different styles as well as grappling and kickboxing experience. The Martial Arts are so full of silly demos that you can't tell what's real and what's not any more. The only way to test this stuff out is to actually test it out. That means putting on gloves and going at it full speed.

      When you actually test a lot of traditional techniques this way you'll see that they blow up under pressure. Decades of poor teaching and lack of testing has allowed a lot of very weak technique to permeate most martial arts styles. Only the competition based systems (judo, boxing, brazilian jiu jitsu, kickboxing, etc.) can perform. Everything else is just esoteric dancing.

      To make such judgements without knowing the facts is silly. You talk about serious sparring, but if you're willing to make outrageous statements like this, I highly doubt that you take what you are doing that seriously.

      I know the facts. I trained Bujinkan for years. I know a lot of guys who have also trained for years. I don't train any more because it doesn't work. Anyone who does any serious sparring knows I'm being serious in my statements. If you are fighting a 76 year old man and you are half his age and he's throwing your around like a rag doll you aren't really trying. If you are trying, you need to train in another style that shows results because a 76 year old man shouldn't be kicking your butt and I don't care who he is.

    5. Re:Some insight by OnanTheBarbarian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've trained with Ninjutsu guys and with Mixed Martial Artists and Brazillian Juijutsu practioners. I have to agree with the grandparent poster - if a tiny guy half your size is throwing you around, you aren't much of a fighter.

      I think the stories about Hatsumi aren't complete rubbish. But there is a bit of a difference between some exceptionally skilled tiny guy surprising a 250lb Marine (who may have very little experience with any kind of serious standup grappling) and the same guy getting onto a mat or ring with a Judoka, BJJ or MMA fighter, collegiate wrestler, and so on - even a more reasonably-sized one. What's more to the point is that the exceptional skill level of someone like Hatsumi or the founder of Aikido (O-Sensei - I couldn't spell his name to save my life) might be rather moot as compared to the skill levels in the people that they can _teach_ in a reasonable amount of time.

      That is, most people I've met who had pure Ninjutsu or Aikido or any of the 'tricky' arts just really couldn't carry off their techniques against a half-decent, remotely resisting opponent. They could carry out their techniques well in the dojo against each other, but were obviously very well programmed to avoid doing the 'wrong thing' as an attacker. I think, ultimately, after 10 or 20 years these guys might be able to execute perfectly timed throws and joint-locks against attackers that aren't carrying out well-telegraphed, linear, predictable attacks, but I'm being generous here, as I've never met a practioner from those arts who could handle themselves well in this situation who didn't have extensive cross-training in some other art.

      On the other hand, I've never run into anyone who had studied Judo, BJJ, boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, etc. for any length of time, who couldn't carry out the techniques that they knew very well against an opponent who really wasn't 'letting them hit/throw/tap them'. Obviously, many of these people have weaknesses (the boxers don't get a miraculous defense against getting taken down), and some of the techniques might be sloppy. But a wrestler who misses the double leg takedown has plenty of alternatives (and is used to using them), and the boxer who misses with the jab is pretty used to that and has another one on the way in about a quarter second, but the aikido or ninjutsu person who misses the 'graceful, deadly throw or strike' ususually winds up pretty flummoxed.

      If you're depending on brilliantly misdirecting the energy of a cloddish 250lb puncher into a graceful throw, but find that instead the cloddish 250lb puncher managed to fake a one-two or whip a foot inside your ankle during the procedure, the science tends to break down. Now you're suddenly brawling with someone twice your size - a moment in which many of these reedy little guys start to wish that they'd spent a little more time in the weight room.

      By the way, beating most traditional Karate guys is not exactly rocket science, as they tend to be very fast and strong, but exceptionally predictable, linear and quite vulnerable to grappling.

      I don't buy the whole 'UFC = reality' argument, but it's a lot more real than most of the proofs that traditionalists presented before the UFC. It's interesting to note that the traditionalists tended to make arguments that they'd totally destroy their opponents in any UFC-type fight right up to the point that they had the chance to prove it, and decided later that their art was all about

      (a) not fighting on thin mats,
      (b) deadly eye pokes and throat strikes,
      (c) surprise and/or fighting in street clothes, or
      (d) spiritual stuff after all.

    6. Re:Some insight by zenhkim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Someone mentioned that "ninjitsu is the art of assassination". An inaccurate statement.

      Unfortunately, ninjutsu still remains largely misunderstood and grossly misrepresented in the public's mind. Years ago I was no different: when I was a young karate student, the ninja was commonly portrayed as the "evil" shadow warrior, always using stealth, ambush, trickery, and unfair battle tactics to destroy his enemies.

      Then I discovered the writings of Stephen K. Hayes, student of Mr. Hatsumi, on the true nature and practice of the ninja arts. From the first of his books I read (Ninjutsu: The Art of The Ninja) I was deeply impressed by the depth and quality of his writing. He covered the historical background and cultural context of the ninja, explained the philosophical and spiritual foundation that ninjutsu is built upon, and stressed that a balanced approach to life was essential to studying the martial arts. ("If you constantly indulge in consuming large amounts of fattening food, inhaling clouds of nicotine-laden smoke, avoiding physical exercise or engaging in needlessly dangerous activities, there is no point in learning a martial art to defend yourself against an enemy. Your worst enemy is yourself.")

      It is indeed a travesty that so many people today still have such a distorted view of the ninja, and it will be an even greater tragedy when Mr. Hatsumi is no longer with us....

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    7. Re:Some insight by -noefordeg- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is just so ignorant and make believe...

      Why don't we see those people fighting in Vale Tudo, Pride, UFC or similar tournaments?
      Why? Because they don't have a chance in hell of beating people -trained- to fight in an effective way. If you include weapons, well, a gun will probably beat you every time.

      I would love to see a 76 year old asian guy square it off with Tito Ortiz, Andrei Arlovski, Frank Mir, Matt Huges, Rich Franklin, Emelianenko Fedor or Wanderlei Silva.

      At a demonstration I sponsored in June, she was able to show quite convincingly how a very small woman is able to take down, bind and otherwise incapacitate an assailant a foot taller, and several tens of pounds heavier. The assailant in this case was a student of classical Okinawan karate with an aproximately equal skill level.
      -That is just so much bullshit...
      I just have to ask you: Why do you think the have weight classes in -real- fighting sports? Like in the UFC? Just think about it...
      It's because when people of EQUAL skills fight, the only thing which makes a difference is the size! And here we have you claiming otherwise. That there is some form of super secret super ultra techniques which completely invalidates what everyone else knows and experiences.
      I've trained different forms of martial arts for 6-7 years now, and also MMA! A small woman, fighting anyone heavier/bigger who's also well trained in -fighting-, will become completely obliterated. Anything else would be science fiction!

      Crap!!

    8. Re:Some insight by JemalCole · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At a demonstration I sponsored in June, she was able to show quite convincingly how a very small woman is able to take down, bind and otherwise incapacitate an assailant a foot taller, and several tens of pounds heavier. The assailant in this case was a student of classical Okinawan karate with an aproximately equal skill level.

      At a demonstration sponsored by David Copperfield a few years back, he was able to show quite convincingly how a very small woman is able to turn into a tiger, and a totally-not-planted audience member (wink, wink) can be sawed in half. And put back together! Seriously, it was amazing.

      Physics doesn't stop being physics because you play-fight a lot with your friends. To quote the greatest fighting movie ever, "It's a simple question of weight ratios." Smaller fists don't hit with the same force as bigger ones. Smaller muscles don't have the same strength as bigger ones.

      SIZE is not the determining factor. TECHNIQUE is. Regardless of how well your opponent resists, it is, simply put, child's play to defeat an opponent, even one of equal or greater skill, if you adhere to basic principles of technique.

      Yeah, that's why real martial arts have all gotten rid of weight classes. Cause, you know, technique is all that matters. Oh wait, even the UFC has weight classes. Dumbass.

      Speaking of technique, do you all remember UFC 2? This "Ninja" Scott Morris ("We don't really know a lot about this guy, except that he's a ninja.") squared off against a kick-boxer, Pat Smith. Three or four elbows to the face later, the ninja is crumpling to the floor with his nose newly flattened and the kickboxer hasn't broken a sweat. Seriously, he broke this guy's orbital bone and took out some teeth. I don't know if all ninjas are frauds, but that guy was. Hey Scott, where's your shuriken now?

      I can say from long experience that the victory goes not to the best trained, but to the one who fails to make mistakes.

      Nice mumbo-jumbo, confucious, but wouldn't the one who makes the least mistakes be the one who trained the best? Go back through the fortune cookie fortunes you've glued to the mirror on your vanity and find something that makes sense.

    9. Re:Some insight by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Interesting


      To think that a 76 year old man is going around throwing around guys half his age with ease is silly. They're either cooperative opponents or so incredibly untrained they may as well be cooperative.


      Guy get a clue!!!

      The master in question here is 76 years old, as you write. so he likely started martial arts training with ... 16? So he has 60 years of martial arts training as background ...

      OBVIOUSLY EVERY OPPNENT HE EVER WILL HAVE is: incredibly untrained what the fuck do you think? That 20 years SEAL training (for a guy of age 40, 20 years of training is very reasonable) can compete with 40, 50 or 60 years training?

      The intersting point in this story is not that he is doing some ninjutzu (in fact there are likely over 100 different ninjutsu schools and his is only ONE of them)

      The interesting thing is that sceptic people like you believe that there is one ultimative fighting technique. You think it could be ninjutzu, but you don't find the guy impressive, so you reject this idea a second later.

      ALL FIGHTING TECHNIQUES ARE CREATED EQUAL. There is no reason some guy practicing 50 years judo can not beat easy a guy practicing 20 years karate, and vise versa. You can extend this to boxing or any "serious" martial arts you want. However in our days most martial arts focus on one aspect: Aikido only does fighting while both partners are standing (but punshing and kicking is "allowed") Brazilian Ju Jutzu only does fighting in wrestling style where both opponents are on their knees on the ground.

      As soon as a Brazilian Ju Jutzu fighter allows me to make a really hard hit, he is down. As soon as he graps me and we get into close fight, I'm down. Most Ninjutzu schols teach BOTH (and more).

      I know a guy called "Hiroshi Tada". He as well is about 75 or 76 and teaches Aikido. He is no way less impressive than Hatsumi Sensei. Albeit no one claims that Tada Sensei is running on fences for show purpose ;D

      The founder of Aikido has lots of videos of "show fights" with US forces soldiers not beliefing he can compete with them, he was age 60 then already and the US soldiers surely below 30. If you don't beleive stuff, google for it ... pretty easy.

      When you do martial arts seriously: you get BETTER EVERY YEAR. You have the climax of your "fighting" abilities just a few weeks before you die (supposing you dont get a serious illness, and supposing you dont die in such a fight ;D ).

      Ah, and: When I go into a grappling school, judo school or kickboxing school you know the instructor can kick butt because he gets out there and, well, kicks butt. No! A serious teacher has enough to do to run his school, such ppl don't run around wild and kick butt.

      angel'o'sphere

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    10. Re:Some insight by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only the competition based systems (judo, boxing, brazilian jiu jitsu, kickboxing, etc.) can perform. Says the one who only does,, what? fighting?

      So, you still live, otherwise you could not post....

      So, how many fights did you survive so far? I mean, all your opponents are dead, aren't they?

      Hm, what is allowed in Kickboxing? And what is not? Is it "allowed" to grap the head of your opponent? To throw him down with the aim to break his neack? To sling you legs around his neack to try to break it?

      I guess it is not, how ever Kickboxing is a serious fighting, no boy fighting, isn't it?

      OTOH, ppl practicing martial arts, never do fights Judo and Karate only does "sports" fights with very limited subset of techniques, guess what: in fights the harmless techniques are allowed, not the deadly ones. Aikido never does fights ... we only practice. Guess why? All Aikido techniques are potential deadly.

      Ofc, you could disagree, there are splinter schools of Aikido that do fights, e.g.

      However: http://www.aikidojournal.com/article.php?articleID =107 read this inteview with one of the greatest living Aikido and Sword masters .... it answers the interesting question why modern fighting schools (those that do teach fire armes, e.g. have no man versus man fights)

      angel'o'sphere

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    11. Re:Some insight by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Bujinkan was all that good they'd BE the Judo or BJJ champs

      Oki, I quit, my last post for today ;D

      So, you did read that Bujinkan is a Ninjutzu school? Yes? So, you got, that they don't do Judo and they don't do Karate either?

      So, you are well aware that they don't participate at Judo competitions? So: please tell me, how can one be Judo champion if he does not participate on Judo competitions? I mean: after all Chuck Noris easyly could do an Ushiro Mawashi Geri Kikome (Or in other words a (reverse) roundhouse kick) against every Judo champion easyly. Nevertheless he seems not willing to do so ... hm, I guess he is fraud as well?

      angel'o'sphere

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  28. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "it's just an art of assassination."

    It's actually the art of stealth and endurance. Nin can mean concealment, sneaking in or endurance. While jutsu is technique. While much of Ninjitsu will be covered by crazy myth of ninjas leaping from trees etc. the essence of the concept still stands: It's a highly specialized form of danger avoidance in warfare for evading the enemy. Basically Ninjas are form of individual Maneuver warfare.

    The concept itself is thought to have come from the Chinese assassins in the warring states period - the Moshuh Nanren. It's also said that the concept is also based on Sun Tzu's chapter on spies. Where spies also being translated as "gap men" (k'ai ho) or those that sneak through the enemies gaps (avoiding strengths like in maneuver warfare).

    The most interesting aspects of this Asian thought is the cultural influence it has had on Asian warfighting. If you read some of the history of Japanese tactical patrolling in World War 2 you'll find some pretty deceptive patrolling techniques that were based off Ninjitsu training. A military author called H. John Poole has written about this. It's thought that the concept of stealth, assassination and danger avoidance travelled along the silk route to places like Vietnam and Indonesia. In the Vietnam war the VietCong used to train in similar ninja-like techniques in stealth walking, sensory enhancement and so on.

    The best modern example is in the Indonesian military where they have a subset of the special forces (KOPASSUS) called Gadapaksi. They are also known as the "ninjas" as they specialize in night time assassinations and abductions. If you read any of the literature on the East Timorese or even the West Papuans the Gadapaksi are mentioned as terrorizing the local populace.

    I've always thought that the whole base concept of the Ninja is brilliant. Pretty useful across a whole domain of study. Could be used from warfighting to black hat hacking.

  29. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by SquadBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes?

    And your point is?

    You *do* understand that those are all good things, right?

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  30. But what would really suck... by RoffleTheWaffle · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is a ninja -with- a long range rifle. Or worse yet, a whole pirate ship full of them.

    Pirate sniper ninjas. Think about it.

    1. Re:But what would really suck... by demongp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now add Zombies into the mix.

      Zombie pirate sniper ninjas.

      OMG I think we all are going to die!

  31. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Informative

    While any monkey can use a firearm,

    Firearms are one of things that are easy to learn, but very difficult to master. When doing long range shooting, you don't just casually place crosshairs and pull trigger. You spend time practicing. Learning your weapon. You handload your bullets (and art in it's own right) to exacting tolerances and test out multiple powder types and charge levels to get the best grouping you can from your gun. When taking a long shot, you must have a bullet-drop table (or a good idea of it) and adjust your hold over depending on the yardage. At ranges of a few hundred yards, the slightest of movement will appear as a huge "bouncing" of the crosshairs. Most people train to exhale before aiming and not take another breath until the shot is taken (minimizes movement). Most people also practice dry firing just as much as live ammo, to notice and try to minimize "flinch", which is basically an anticipation of the recoil and an attempt to brace the rifle right before firing (it's slight, but can make a big difference).

    Yes "any monkey" can pull a trigger, but becoming an accomplished long range shooter takes a lot of time and effort.

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  32. Joking aside by ndogg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is sad to see an art form like this die out. It's a little like seeing a species without a purpose die out. Sure it's a dinosaur, but it's still interesting to study and learn about.

    If I were him, I, too, would probably lament the popular images of ninjas. Hollywood has definitely bastardized it, and disgraced the legend of the ninja.

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  33. The last of his species. For obvious reasons. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, Ninjas are cool, Ninjas are mysterious, but face it: They're outdated. As outdated as the record industry, but they have a worse lobby.

    While fighting as a sport, or for close combat, will continue to exist and has its right to exist, the art of sneaky assassination is no longer a business. If you want someone dead, hire a hitman. Easier to train, more numerous, thus cheaper.

    It's simply a matter of technology. It's really no longer feasible to have a person get close to your target and have him strike there. Surveillance equipment makes it virtually impossible to get him close enough. Sneaky and stealthy or not, it's hard to beat a good surveillance system. Whatever you do, a heat or movement sensor will catch you.

    Getting close enough to your target is also no longer as possible as it was. Bodyguards are well equipped. Communication is by far superior than it was 100 years ago. And to get into a bulletproof car, you also need more than just a can opener.

    It's over. Killing is no longer really an artform. Everyone can do it. Just pull the trigger.

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    1. Re:The last of his species. For obvious reasons. by PeterBrett · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And killing someone silently hasn't changed one bit as preferably over shooting him with a sniper rifle (which you can not silence, no matter what Hollywood tries to tell you).

      Depends on the calibre. You can kill someone very effectively with subsonic .22 rimfire ammunition, if you can get a good shot. And .22 hunting rifles are fairly inexpensive, and quite easy to get hold of. I've fired one -- it came with a suppressor as standard, and the only noise it made was a 'ping' as the hammer struck the firing pin.

      Anyway, if you choose your spot carefully, you could easily get away with using a full-power 7.62 or even .338 calibre weapon. Don't underestimate the disorientating effect of a supersonic round passing a couple of feet away. By the time the security detail have stopped shitting themselves, you can be well on your way from your perch (anywhere within 600 yds will do, usually, and that's a hell of a lot of ground to search in anything other than a flat, barren wilderness). The problem's not the equipment, the skills or the risk of getting caught: the problem's having steely-cold will enough to look at someone's face through an optical sight, knowing that if you pull the trigger, that person's life will end.

      And you wonder why the SS are so paranoid about assassination attempts?

  34. Re:Turtle Power. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was hanging out one night with some friends, talking about nothing in particular, and somehow I was on the topic of possible secret government hybrid projects. I mentioned they could create real life freak mutant turtles, four of them. One of the guys there said they wouldn't be freaks, our generation would worship them as demigods. I look back on my pop culture obsessed generation and realize, my god, we really would worship four half-man, half-mutant turtles as demigods.

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  35. Ninjas? Pirates? Meh! by NoMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    The other month I watched this series of documentaries where a single samurai repeatedly took on dozens of ninjas at once, winning every time!

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    What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
    1. Re:Ninjas? Pirates? Meh! by Nexx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, no.

      During the Sengoku period, during which the separation of Samurai as a class happened, the Ninja were reviled as those who killed without showing their face in battle. They were most certainly not Samurai, but were a class of ashigaru, which were essentially a class below samurai. They were allowed the longsword and surnames, but as a class of footmen, they ranked below the samurai.

      Contrary to your belief, everyone was allowed a "weapon", but only the samurai were allowed the long sword. The Chonin (commoners) were only allowed the wakizashi.

      There were no kings in Japan. Only the emperor, shogun (when appropriate), and various daimyo. Also, the samurai were not of the police force; those duties were carried out by members recruited from the chonin class, supervised by a machibugyo, who is more of a "civilian" overseer than a member of the forces.

      The samurai class were definitely in politics, as they were members of the ruling class, but usually only the highest houses were politically active.

  36. Re:Oh, puh-leez by MustardMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow... thanks for perpetuating the sterotype that soldiers are fucking clueless. An M-16 is not a sniper rifle. Shooting people who are running around and shooting back at you is different from taking up a hidden position, killing a person with one or a few well placed shots, and getting the hell out of there before anyone locates you.

  37. Re:Know what Really Pisses Me Off? by colinbrash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every time some asian (or navtive american) says something whisy washy, a sizable group of people think it's wisdom. Look at the quotes in the article, it's meaningless blabber. "Asian say wishwash, people hear wisdom." There, now people will listen to you.

  38. Expanding on this a bit... by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like to expand on this a bit.

    Even handguns are next to useless in sufficiently close quarters. Yes, you can hit someone with them, but even there, their weight makes them slow. If oyu are trained for unarmed combat, the only weapons really worth a darn in close combat (less than about 8 feet) is a knife of a good club. And even the club is often not a match for a bare hand (esp if the barer is untrained).

    In any case, training in close combat is well worth what is put into it many times over.

    Note that even with all the technology available today, unarmed combat is still taught to all our soldiers, and ninja-like skills are even taught to some of our special forces. The reason is that there is nothing more important than troops on the ground.

    Finally, suppose you are in an area you are not allowed to carry weapons and need to defend yourself. Unarmed combat training is worth its weight, as is training in improvised weaponry.

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  39. Another Nail in the Ninja Coffin by version5 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's possible that popular Hollywood images of ninjas are actually more authentic than you might think. From a post on The Japan History Group Blog:

    "Movie-style ninja, BTW, have a much longer history than the movies (although the term "ninja" does not appear to have been popularized until the 20th century). Ninja shows, ninja houses (sort of like American "haunted houses" at carnivals), and ninja novels and stories were popular by the middle of the Tokugawa period. The "ninja" performers may have created the genre completely out of whole cloth, or they may have built on genuine lore derived from old spymasters. Either way, however, it's clear that much of the lore underlying both modern ninja movies and modern ninja schools has both a long history AND little basis in reality outside the theatre."

    "I used to tell students that the question of ninja was, from a historian's standpoint, still somewhat open. I think I'm going to take a much stronger line from now on, and point out that there are no historically credible claims supporting the historicity of a tradition which somehow concludes with modern schools of ninjustsu."

    Somewhat related is this post makes the argument that the supposedly ancient history of karate (and possibly other martial arts) was manufactured in the 19th century for political reasons related to the colonization of Okinawa by the Japanese.

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  40. Re:Oh, puh-leez by yfarren · · Score: 2, Informative

    Clearly the people Modding the parent have never Shot an M-16. Please Mod Parent, And me, only if you know what you are talking about.

    Virtaully No-one could hit ANYTHING with an m-16 at 1000 yards. I dont even know what the drop on that is, but the difference between 1000, and 1050 yards is going to be hella Signifigant. (the Difference between 300, and 350 yards is like 3 feet). I mean, Shooting off your whole clip (not on automatic, thank you, the pull will kill any ability you have to aim) will not really help. If you have to hit ANYTHING past 300 yards, you need a different Rifle. I mean, with a Scope, MAYBE you can press to 450 (I never trained on the M-16 with a scope.) I find it hard to believe the parent, talking about ranges of 1000 yards with an M-16 EVER fired one.

  41. Re:Oh, puh-leez by Wes+Janson · · Score: 4, Informative

    A few weeks of generic military rifle training will teach anyone all they need to know to use a rifle effectively. The US Army does a pretty effective job teaching rifle skills in basic training

    The mere fact that you would say that shows that you have absolutely, positively, no idea what you're talking about. Basic is going to (hopefully) teach you how to NOT shoot yourself when handed a gun. Anything more than that is going to come later in training, and only if you wind up in a specialization that requires that ability.

    Could I hit a target every time at 1000 yards? Probably not. You solve that problem by making sure you have more than one round at your disposal. You don't need to hit a target with every shot as long as you have a full clip. Three-round groups don't hurt too much either.

    Well, if the target were twenty feet wide, and conditions were right, you might be able to pull it off. Maybe. But a thousand yards is an awfully long ways out there. Most civilian ranges don't go out that far. Also, the M-16 rifle is loaded using "magazines" not "clips". Oh, and if you'd ever had any real training you'd know WHY a three-round burst would be virtually useless against a target at a thousand. Hint: it's called muzzle rise.

    Honestly, grandparent said everything that needs to be said about long-distance marksmanship. Parent is a cocky grunt that never had any real training with a precision rifle. Anyone who would brag about making Expert with an M-16 in the Army, in regards to long distance shooting, is proclaiming to the world they have no idea what they're talking about.

  42. Re:Oh, puh-leez by king-manic · · Score: 4, Informative

    A few weeks of generic military rifle training will teach anyone all they need to know to use a rifle effectively. The US Army does a pretty effective job teaching rifle skills in basic training. I had never handled anything other than a b-b gun as a kid, and by the time rifle training was done in basic, I qualified expert with the M-16.

    Could I hit a target every time at 1000 yards? Probably not. You solve that problem by making sure you have more than one round at your disposal. You don't need to hit a target with every shot as long as you have a full clip. Three-round groups don't hurt too much either.


    This is known as spray and pray. Fairly effective at about 20 m almost a lottery at 50m and hopelessly outgunned against a marksman of any calibur at 100m. The longest snipe was 2,430m by Master Corporal Arron Perry of the Canadian armed forces on a moving target (a moving target as well). At that range regaurdless of the rifle you use you will be pwned by a trained sniper and snipers aren't easily trained.

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  43. Re:Know what Really Pisses Me Off? by ajs · · Score: 2, Funny

    "anything *can* be used as a weapon (which is why we need to recognize this regarding airport security and either design sensible regulations or require that everyone fly nude"

    Won't work... remember ANYTHING can be used as a weapon....

  44. Re:Oh, puh-leez by isd_glory · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who says you cant shoot anything beyond 300 yards?

    I've shot bullseyes at 600 yards using a well-conditioned AR15/M16 and iron sights. The only thing is that you have to crank the hell out of the rear sight to account for the drop. The problem isn't the weapon's inherent accuracy, but correctly managing elevation and windage.

    The AR15/M16 is a very popular service rifle in civilian and military competition. I've never had the opportunity to do a 1000 yard match, but I know plenty of people who have. While it isn't quite as point-and-click like a scoped "sniper" weapon, the rifle is probably more accurate than you're giving it credit for.

    [Maybe I'm just biased from being on a Navy shooting team]
    [Scopes are a crutch ;) ]

  45. Re:Students? - CHUCK NORRIS by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

    Chuck Norris is a hack. MacGyver could build a gun from a paperclip and shoot Chuck Norris, then build a Stargate from a toaster and hide the body on some planet with no food whatsoever for when Chuck Norris wakes up.

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  46. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by krunk4ever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Léon (or The Professional), when Jean Reno teaches Natalie Portman how to be a hitman, he started training her as a sniper because that gave her the most distance between your target and herself. However, as she got better, the distance slowly got shorter and shorter, until one of the scenes when Jean came out of the shadows with a knife to the neck of his target.

    I know movies don't really hold any universal truth, but there just might be something to that. When you're far away, there are a lot more factors in play due to the distance. The closer you are, the more gauranteed kill you have (if you're skilled enough).

    I mean if you're going to say gun replaced swords, might as well say rocket launchers replaced guns.

  47. Lack of Japanese interest in learning ninjutsu? by TheNoxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Son, why don't you get out more... you know, like train under that ninja that's been living in the moutains... it'd be a good way to keep in shape and honor your history."

    "Ugh, DAD! that is so LAME!"

    It's official, I will never have children as pleasing them is impossible. If you can't make a 13 year old boy happy with an apprenticeship to a real ninja, nothing ever will.

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  48. Re:Know what Really Pisses Me Off? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man with hand in pocket, feel cocky all day...

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  49. Re:Feel the power! by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 3, Funny

    Chuck Norris is the reason there's only 1 ninja left - he killed the rest & he's saving the last one for a special occasion.

  50. The usual /. morons weighing in by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hatsumi is the real deal - the only real deal.

    The rest of you can stuff your Shang-Chi comics up your ass.

    Talking about Hatsumi like the posts I've seen here is like talking about Linus Torvalds (or any top programmer - take your pick) as if he just learned Basic and had written his first "Hello World" program.

    Not that Hatsumi himself would care - a bunch of dumb American geeks aren't going to do his reputation any harm.

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  51. Comments from yet another Booj' by hkb · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm yet another person who's Bujinkan and who has studied under soke Hatsumi.

    He and ninpo taijutsu are far, far from black-clad (ok ok we're black clad) assassins of the night. Soke himself is very enlightened, cheerful, and playful. The Bujinkan has affected me a great deal spiritually boosting me and making me a better person. To see the start contrast of "ninjutsu" and actual ninpo taijutsu, try and pick up some copies of Sanmyaku, which are essentially the Bujinkan magazines full of kind and wise words.

    I've also read comments here saying that his mentor, Takamatsu, was more of a ninja assassin, which is also bollocks. He was a man of his time and engaged in much life-and-death combat, but was not some evil assassin. I can only hope that the motion pictures of Takamatsu make their way into the world and everyone has a chance to see the man in motion, not just rusty old pictures.

    You learn some pretty good combat and stealth techniques, but you also learn heart and peace and none of this is anything like the "ninja assassin" bullshit (which ironically, was why I first joined the Bujinkan, whoops).

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  52. Unarmed Combat by PenGun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is slightly off topic but really the legands of wonder fighters have about as much reality as Crouching Tiger etc.

      Show up in the Octagon and see who walks away. It's pretty simple. The _proven_ methods of combat are mutai, jujitsu and just plain pounding the crap out of the other guy. The Gracies with Royce Gracie as the lead dominated the early days showing Brazillian Jujitsu as the most effective combat method. As time has passed there have been advances in defense and the striker - grappler thing is much more even now.

      I would like to see Hatsumi strut his stuff but it's just a myth. There have been quite a few so called amazing martial artists humiliated in short order.

        PenGun
      Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !

  53. Respect by mitymidget · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The biggest thing yall seem to be missing is that fighting techniques, which invoke skill over physical streangth, Teach Respect, honor, and humility. Somthing that is missing in most of the westernalized cultures. 1 on 1 training as a spiritual form is the best way for anyone of any age to learn respect, not just for your elders but for your peers. You also gain peace by the teachings. I was a wrestler in HS, and studied many ancient art forms for better technique and more creativity against an oponant, sense then I have been too busy and been knocked out of shape, but I still hold on to the respect I gained.

  54. Re:In Soviet Russia ... by jamesshuang · · Score: 2, Funny

    Correction - In Soviet China, your students kill you...

  55. Re:Ninja is replaced by Sniper by sharkguy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well said CHESTER COPPERPOT, ninjutsu is much more than the martial aspects focussed on by so many people. Studying this way reveals an incredible psychological grasp of humanity, all the more amazing for its age. It also has some marvelous wisdom that would seem out of harmony with anything that has so militant a reputation: 'The best way to win a fight is not to be there.'

    I would recommend reading some of the writings of Stephen K. Hayes, a student of Hatsumi's, since I found they shed some light on the deep cultural aspects of ninjutsu. The ninja culture of feudal Japan was an important counter-culture (in) to the predominantly (yo) influence of the bushi, or samurai. Of course read Master Hatsumi's own writings as well!

    Remember it was not military defeat in any single large battle that undid the historical influence of the ninja, but stability and a lack of customers (ie. lack of interest). Sadly, history repeats itself somewhat today...which is why, as mentioned in the article, so many of the students now are foreigners.

  56. Toshitsugu Takamatsu / Masaaki Hatsumi Documentary by MOtisBeard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a documentary film about Toshitsugu Takamatsu, with Masaaki Hatsumi in it as well. It's a Japanese film, the title in English is "Takamatsu Toshitsugu, the Last Real Ninja". It's based upon a black-and-white movie filmed in the '60s that shows Takamatsu Sensei teaching Hatsumi Sensei in a park. Takamatsu Sensei demonstrates unarmed techniques and weapon techniques from the nine schools, with comments in Japanese (subtitled in English) by Hatsumi Sensei. A torrent for this film was uploaded to Secret Cinema http://www.secret-cinema.com/ a while back. It's dead now, but I am busily working on getting it back up again, so if you're interested check Secret Cinema for it in the next few days.

  57. Re:Oh, puh-leez by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Informative

    The longest snipe was 2,430m by Master Corporal Arron Perry of the Canadian armed forces on a moving target (a moving target as well).

    Note that, although that's an amazing feat in and of itself, it was Perry's second shot on the target. US Marine Gunnery Sergeant Carlos N. Hathcock's 2500 yard confirmed kill with a .50 caliber Browning rifle (the previous record holder) was made on the first shot.