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Wisdom From The Last Ninja
I Could Tell You But... writes "The AP has a story about ninjutsu master Masaaki Hatsumi, last living student of Japan's last 'fighting ninja.' He offers advice from the heart of Ninjadom, like 'always be able to kill your students,' and describes the current popular ninja image as 'pathetic.' At age 76, students are speculating on his successor, who may for the first time be non-Japanese." From the article: "As I cautiously raise the sword with a taut two-handed samurai grip, my sparring partner gingerly points to Hatsumi. I avert my eyes for a split second - and WHAM! The next thing I know, I'm staring at the rafters. Keeping your focus is just one of the lessons thumped out on the mats of the Bujinkan Dojo, a cramped school outside Tokyo that is a pilgrimage site for 100,000 worldwide followers. They revere Hatsumi as the last living master of ninjutsu - the mysterious Japanese art of war practiced by black-masked assassins of yesteryear."
Ninjas kill all the time! And don't even think about it!
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"They revere Hatsumi as the last living master of ninjutsu - the mysterious Japanese art of war practiced by black-masked assassins of yesteryear.""
Oh man, the TMNT's are going to be so disappointed.
"always be able to kill you students" is brilliant advice... I know I'll be taking that one to heart when I'm lecturing... that'll show them for being late/taking phone calls/ talking over me. :)
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Sure, he can beat his students, but what about pirates?
Their numbers continue to rise (according to the *AA anyway)...
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Did I say ninja? I meant ninny. Haru, you are such a ninny.
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if you're ever curious about anything relating to ninjas and you want a straight, no bs answer, you can always ask a ninja.
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Yeah, I'll be sure to stay prepared to kill my students. Fat programmers with aspergers can never be too careful.
When I was a young boy, I awoke every morning to the delicious smell of pancakes. My mother, and father's dojo contained within it a hot griddle perfect for making pancakes, waffles, and a multitude of other pancake-like breakfast pastries. I remember them well -- The pleasant, care-free days of my childhood in the dojo were often spent peering into the kitchen with eager anticipation as my mother prepared pancakes my family.
.. the ultimate pancake. My journey took me to the many islands of my homeland, many days away from my dojo. My hunger for pancakes became my teacher, and foolishly I let it control the path that I walked upon. My feet, sore from travel, ached as my heart and stomach did, until I came to a realization. My duty was clear. I needed to take a stand and accept my love for the art of the ninja AND my love for pancakes. It was not wrong for me to love both. I love one as a dear friend, and one as a lover. Yes--My mission was clear--I must become a ninja, a secret assassin hired by the imperial family BUT I MUST ALSO ENJOY THE OCCASIONAL PANCAKE.
As I grew older, and began my journey to spiritual enlightenment, the memories of my pancake-eating youth filled my heart and dreams with warm, fluffy goodness....Ahhh, yes..the sweet, sweet memories... The day I ate 10 pancakes... The day I placed a warm pancake between my fleshy loins and performed the forbidden dance... The day pressed a pancake to my buttocks and encouraged my dog to come eat.. Indeed, much of my childhood was spent in pure innocence -- An innocence only pancakes can provide. It was heaven. A heaven, filled with pancakes, where I sat at the throne of God, with my hand-maidens Aunt Jemimah and Mrs. Butterworth seated beside me. An indestructible triumvirate made of flour, eggs, sugar, milk, water, and love.
By the age of 15, the path of my life became unclear and confusing. Torn between my duty my village and my love for pancakes, I foolishly left home in search of karaguchi ah-nowakadesu
My adoration for breakfast cakes has placed me within an awkward position. Many ninja refuse to recognize me as their brother. I defend my father's land, but I am looked upon as weak and undisciplined. I tell them, "But, brothers! Listen to my plea! The pancakes do not weaken me, nor do they make me disobey the rule of my sword. They fill me with love." But alas, they do not understand...For the mind of a ninja is complex.
My only earthly desire is to be accepted for who I am. Yes, I am a NINJA--But I also enjoy pancakes. Will you accept me? If you were approached by a ninja who requested a pancake, would you submit to his will?
Look at the quotes in the article, it's meaningless blabber.
He who does not listen, does not hear.
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Well, assuming you are white, it is obvious that your words are motivated by greed or destroying the environment.
"However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation."
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Inigo Montoya studied Ninja sword skills, but failed to take in the whole package. That's why he lost on the Cliffs of Insanity to a more driven opponent.
Sniper Rifles aren't much good in close quarters combat..
Would you like to find out? Meet me at the railroad near Queens Blvd. and 74th Street intersection where street light shines down on you and make sure you wear red coat with green hat.
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You know, maybe you belong on digg... with all the other idiots who end questions with periods.
"At age 76, students are speculating on his successor, who may for the first time be non-Japanese..."
Chuck Norris anyone?
OK, you're right. Sniper rifles aren't very good in close combat unless your opponent is agreeable to the propostion of meeting you under a street light by the railroad near Queens Blvd. and 74th Street intersection, wearing a red coat with a green hat.
Apparently, you lack ninja skills.
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Anyone can kill with a gun. % year old, to 100 year old . Plus the farther the range the more detationed from the kill.
It takes a real man to drive a sword into somebody.
By man, I mean psycho.
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Ninja is actually the art of bullshit. Seriously, the stories surrounding 'ninja' were part of the edge the ninja had. Talk up a good story, and no one will mess with you. Misdirection and cheap shots under the auspices of "quickest kill" led to its current incarnation.
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It's not always possible to have a clear shot. In such cases, a hidden knife to the throat can just be the solution.
The plural for Ninja is Ninja.
The Ninja started as a bunch of rebellious peasants thet refined there art. But to nothing like we presented in the media.
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that's why you carry a shotgun on your other shoulder
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Ninjitsu is the art of stealthly killing people. Sniping is merely carrying and firing a long range rifle.
These are two different skill sets. While any monkey can use a firearm, it will not protect you against a trained assassin that observes your movements and launches a suprise attack.
BTW, smoke screens are known anti-sniper tactics. Sniper rifles that are capable of looking through smoke screens are not considered common, and is considered military grade (i.e. not available to commoners).
Ethnic Wiseass, actually.
May the Maths Be with you!
Chuck Norris will be chosen as successor.
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How many pirates has he killed in his lifetime I wonder?
And how many degrees did the global temperature rise?
Touched By His Noodley Appendage.
1. Ninjas' are mammels.
2. Ninja's fight all the time.
3. The purpose of a ninja is to flip out and kill people
Exactly what I was thinking. While I think ninja's are totally awesome like every other mammal on the planet, I think we all agree that not all nerds are also mammals.....
Oh, god damn it. I just had a terrible vision of RMS in skin-tight ninja gear carrying out an assasination mission in Redmond. I think my only option is to commit seppuku at this point.
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Anyone can do a quick Find on the page to show that you're the only one talking about "sodomy", which means you're just a stupid troll yourself. Go back to Digg please.
Yes, you can kill Just like a Ninja. Assuming your victim stands in a well lighted area, wearing a spicific outfit. well done.
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What "...preserves the honor of the Bujinkan members, it indicates you are part of a larger whole--one whose members come together with warrior hearts to better themselves through training and friendship. It evinces the glory of warrior virtue, and embodies both loyalty and brotherly love." ?
Why, the required membership card, of course! Don't leave dojo without it!
http://www.bujinkan.com/guidelines.htm (#6)
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So the Ninja can take it off your body and sell it for Saki?
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While any monkey can use a firearm, it will not protect you against a trained assassin that observes your movements and launches a suprise attack.
Getting shot without knowing where the fuck it came from sounds pretty surprising to me...
smoke screens are known anti-sniper tactics.
So is an umbrella... Hence the birth of Smart Bomb.
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
Did anyone else see the occasional italicized letter in that? I'm a lazy bastard or else I would go find them all and whip out my own smithy code decrypting skillz.
So the Ninja can take it off your body and sell it for Saki?
Wow. Shotguns must be very expensive in Japan if the ninja is going to buy a small peninsula with the money from it.
(definition of "saki": (n) small peninsula from WWWJDIC)
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total classic
fair enough /makes mental note
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actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
Sorry, what did you say?
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"a ninja is just a job for a samurai"
Um, what?
The samurai class was far and above the simple ninja. In fact, they looked down on the ninja's lack of honor, class standing and inability to stand and fight.
You might want to drink more.
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If killing is your only goal, then yes, a sniper rifle is just as good, and requires less training. However, suppose your goal is to kill the target, and then take his briefcase full of secrets. Shooting him from 500 yards will just cause attention to swarm around the target and you'll never get those missle silo sites. There's where you need a ninja to sneak in, dispatch with the bodyguard, slit the target's throat, slice off his hand above the wrist to get rid of the handcuff connecting the target to the breifcase, and then disapear into the night.
"Timing is the most difficult," he adds, while casually deflecting a gleaming metal sword swung at his neck by a veteran student. After the turning the blade on the attacker, Hatsumi gives his arm a slight twist, eliciting a baleful yelp.
I really despise prose like this in newspaper articles. I find it hard to believe that that is an exact account of what happened, so it just destroys the article's credibility and makes it seem like the writer is just trying to write a third rate action novel.
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
Sheesh. This is slashdot.
Since this is Slashdot, it should be GPS guided missle with a ninja payload.
Why?
Because you can.
Hatsumi is the only living student of the last "fighting ninja," Toshitsugu Takamatsu, the so-called 33rd Grand Master who was a bodyguard to officials in Japanese-occupied Manchuria before World War II and fought - and won - 12 fights to the death.
...Rumors of Takamatsu's death still abound to this day, but scholars estimate it occurred sometime after, but before the end of, his thirteenth fight to the death.
I have studied under Hatsumi, years ago. Before a lot of the current 'purpose built' combatives were created for military and govt. use, he and his instructors would train select U.S. govt. and military personnel.
Someone mentioned that "ninjitsu is the art of assassination". An inaccurate statement.
Ninpo Taijitsu (a very rough translation would be ninja combat), as taught under the Bujinkan, consists of several different schools. Stealth, sword combat, locking/holding/throwing, striking, etc. are some examples of the different schools, each with their own head instructor.
There is a famous story from the '50s (?, maybe '60s) where the Japanese National Judo Champion (at the time he was also the world champion) essentially 'called out' Hatsumi and ninpo taijitsu as a 'fraud'. Said champion was invited to face off with Hatsumi. Hatsumi proved he was no fraud, and shortly thereafter the Judo champion became one of the senior instructors at the 'judo' school of the Bujinkan.
Hatsumi is the real deal. I've seen him run along the top of chain link fences. At one seminar, a 250+ lb. Marine spoke up and said "Ok I know you're good, but really...in combat - what are you going to do to me?". Hatsumi sqared off with the Marine, and had him on the ground and incapacitated very rapidly. No ego, no bravado - just a teacher who understands that you must be able to demonstrate that what you teach will work for real.
Hatsumis instructor, Takamatsu, was (for lack of a better term) a real life 'ninja'. He was an agent/assassin/etc. for hire that worked for various warlords in the late 1800s.
Do some searches on Hatsumi and Takamatsu - I believe you guys will find some very interesting reading.
Sadly, when Hatsumi leaves us the Bujinkan will probably never be seen again in its current form, with one true Master overseeing all of the various schools that comprise Ninpo Taijitsu. It will truly be the end of an era.
Regards,
Former (novice) student of the Bujinkan
It's actually the art of stealth and endurance. Nin can mean concealment, sneaking in or endurance. While jutsu is technique. While much of Ninjitsu will be covered by crazy myth of ninjas leaping from trees etc. the essence of the concept still stands: It's a highly specialized form of danger avoidance in warfare for evading the enemy. Basically Ninjas are form of individual Maneuver warfare.
The concept itself is thought to have come from the Chinese assassins in the warring states period - the Moshuh Nanren. It's also said that the concept is also based on Sun Tzu's chapter on spies. Where spies also being translated as "gap men" (k'ai ho) or those that sneak through the enemies gaps (avoiding strengths like in maneuver warfare).
The most interesting aspects of this Asian thought is the cultural influence it has had on Asian warfighting. If you read some of the history of Japanese tactical patrolling in World War 2 you'll find some pretty deceptive patrolling techniques that were based off Ninjitsu training. A military author called H. John Poole has written about this. It's thought that the concept of stealth, assassination and danger avoidance travelled along the silk route to places like Vietnam and Indonesia. In the Vietnam war the VietCong used to train in similar ninja-like techniques in stealth walking, sensory enhancement and so on.
The best modern example is in the Indonesian military where they have a subset of the special forces (KOPASSUS) called Gadapaksi. They are also known as the "ninjas" as they specialize in night time assassinations and abductions. If you read any of the literature on the East Timorese or even the West Papuans the Gadapaksi are mentioned as terrorizing the local populace.
I've always thought that the whole base concept of the Ninja is brilliant. Pretty useful across a whole domain of study. Could be used from warfighting to black hat hacking.
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They just spell "GNAA" six times. That's all.
Yes?
And your point is?
You *do* understand that those are all good things, right?
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I think the obvious choice at the moment is probably Stephen Hayes. He is well respected among Hatsumi's students, and seems to be a strong international authority on the subject. I don't know if any of his instructional books are still in print, though.
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... is a ninja -with- a long range rifle. Or worse yet, a whole pirate ship full of them.
Pirate sniper ninjas. Think about it.
While any monkey can use a firearm,
Firearms are one of things that are easy to learn, but very difficult to master. When doing long range shooting, you don't just casually place crosshairs and pull trigger. You spend time practicing. Learning your weapon. You handload your bullets (and art in it's own right) to exacting tolerances and test out multiple powder types and charge levels to get the best grouping you can from your gun. When taking a long shot, you must have a bullet-drop table (or a good idea of it) and adjust your hold over depending on the yardage. At ranges of a few hundred yards, the slightest of movement will appear as a huge "bouncing" of the crosshairs. Most people train to exhale before aiming and not take another breath until the shot is taken (minimizes movement). Most people also practice dry firing just as much as live ammo, to notice and try to minimize "flinch", which is basically an anticipation of the recoil and an attempt to brace the rifle right before firing (it's slight, but can make a big difference).
Yes "any monkey" can pull a trigger, but becoming an accomplished long range shooter takes a lot of time and effort.
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It is sad to see an art form like this die out. It's a little like seeing a species without a purpose die out. Sure it's a dinosaur, but it's still interesting to study and learn about.
If I were him, I, too, would probably lament the popular images of ninjas. Hollywood has definitely bastardized it, and disgraced the legend of the ninja.
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No. they are not meaningless blabber. They are mostly obvious statements that people forget.
;-) ). In my (very different) form of martial art, we have that one drilled into our skull from day one. Yes, timing is the most difficult aspect of martial arts.
Yes, anything *can* be used as a weapon (which is why we need to recognize this regarding airport security and either design sensible regulations or require that everyone fly nude
But then most wisdom is obvious, if you can see it...
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[quote]While any monkey can use a firearm,...[/quote]
Right, I'd like to see you hump your rifle for days on end to your target, figure out where the best kill/escape location to shoot from would be, stay in that position moving as little as possible (including avoiding drinking water or releiving yourself) to avoid detection (which could include an enemy patrol passing as close as 5 meters from you) all to try to kill one person with one shot, and then get your ass out of there before your captured or killed.
Being a sniper is much more than being a good shot. A sniper must make use of many simmilar tactics as a ninja, incliding camoflauge and concealment, stealthly aproaching a target, avoiding the enemy, and being able to live off the land for days or weeks. Stealth is key to a snipers survival.
Sniper school is easily one of the hardest schools the military (any military) has to offer.
As far as a smoke screen, I believe he was referring to the hype that ninja have, and not an actual gas grenade.
Pfft. That's what gunblade specialists are for.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
Sneaky? Yes.
Backstabbing? Yes.
Smoke screen? Yes.
But Balmer's the one throwing stuff.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Every time some asian (or navtive american) says something whisy washy, a sizable group of people think it's wisdom. Look at the quotes in the article, it's meaningless blabber.
Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean it isn't wisdom.
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"That's exactly what I said, only different."
Yeah, Ninjas are cool, Ninjas are mysterious, but face it: They're outdated. As outdated as the record industry, but they have a worse lobby.
While fighting as a sport, or for close combat, will continue to exist and has its right to exist, the art of sneaky assassination is no longer a business. If you want someone dead, hire a hitman. Easier to train, more numerous, thus cheaper.
It's simply a matter of technology. It's really no longer feasible to have a person get close to your target and have him strike there. Surveillance equipment makes it virtually impossible to get him close enough. Sneaky and stealthy or not, it's hard to beat a good surveillance system. Whatever you do, a heat or movement sensor will catch you.
Getting close enough to your target is also no longer as possible as it was. Bodyguards are well equipped. Communication is by far superior than it was 100 years ago. And to get into a bulletproof car, you also need more than just a can opener.
It's over. Killing is no longer really an artform. Everyone can do it. Just pull the trigger.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Sorry, not true ;)
Just more American and modern day myths. Enjoy them.
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You can hear one of the guys saying "Kill kill" while stabbing the training dummies.
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It follows that your students will be less skilled than you...
So the next generation of teachers will be less skillful, and so on.
It will get to the point where any punk-ass with a niner can cap your ass before you know what happened.
I wear kevlar underware for just such an occasion. Damn that itches.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
lol plagiarism? http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/news/200604 27p2g00m0fe016000c.html
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Chuck Norris will not be his successor. He was just the guy who preceded Chuck Norris.
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Chuck Norris isn't chosen, he chooses. ;)
The other month I watched this series of documentaries where a single samurai repeatedly took on dozens of ninjas at once, winning every time!
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
I really don't understand. What is sad about it?
Things change. Everything is sad, or funny - it's just a point of view.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
1 - It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
therefore,
2 - A decent street fighter can beat most martial artists.
however,
3 - I personally know at least two elderly ladies who have beaten off attackers who were trying to rob them. They didn't even break a sweat, it was over before the robbers realized what had hit them.
4 - The Japanese used to revere the way of the samurai as espoused in the Hagakure. They believed it so much they tried to take on America. Then they realized it was a crock.
5 - Don't worry about the most effective style. Just try to find a decent teacher. Get to know lots of other martial artists. You will eventually find the style that's right for you.
6 - 9/10 of everything you hear about martial arts is a lie. YMMV
7 - When choosing a style, remember that you have to be able to go to work the morning after your lessons. Don't choose a style that leaves you wrecked. My brother-in-law retired from Tae Kwan Do after he permanently wrecked his leg.
8 - The hagakure was written by a bunch of guys who had never been in battle. In that regard, it is a lot like trying to understand knights by reading Don Quixote.
9 - The Book of Five Wrings was written by someone who was actually good at fighting. He fought many battles and lived to an old age.
10 - Most Ninja schools may or may not be pathetic depending on your standards. Most people don't actually want to train to be killers so if you judge a school by how many killers it produces, most of them will fall somewhat short. The martial artists I most respect take the students they get and deal with them the way they are. Some styles and techniques produce mental abnormalities. A teacher who complains that his students are a bunch of lily livers and who shouts a lot is to be avoided. He or she isn't a happy person and you don't want to be like that.
The Ninga == Yogi Berra, is there really a difference? =)
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"I think it's pathetic," Hatsumi says of the ninja's modern image.
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Yeah, because every ninja dreams of jumping up out of the dumpster behind the fast food joint they work at & making a big "L" sign with their hand.
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Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
How many pirates has he killed in his lifetime I wonder?
I didn't know that the RIAA was hiring ninja. Or is it the MPAA?
And untrained assassin?
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... you are going to trust a Wikipedia article over the man, himself? I mean, if the wikipedia article is about ninjitsu, that means its about ninjas, and this man is the head ninja... you are going to complain that the head ninja isn't living up to the wikipedia article? /boggle
You're greatly diminishing the skills of a trained sniper. It's not "merely carrying and firing a long range rifle" any more than ninjitsu is merely the art of wearing black clothes in a dark room and carrying smoke bombs. Snipers are trained assassins that also observe your movements--usually not even in the same room--and launch a surprise attack by killing you with one shot without you knowing someone's crosshair was on the back of your head.
"Sufferin' succotash."
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Wow... thanks for perpetuating the sterotype that soldiers are fucking clueless. An M-16 is not a sniper rifle. Shooting people who are running around and shooting back at you is different from taking up a hidden position, killing a person with one or a few well placed shots, and getting the hell out of there before anyone locates you.
Every time some asian (or navtive american) says something whisy washy, a sizable group of people think it's wisdom. Look at the quotes in the article, it's meaningless blabber. "Asian say wishwash, people hear wisdom." There, now people will listen to you.
I would like to expand on this a bit.
Even handguns are next to useless in sufficiently close quarters. Yes, you can hit someone with them, but even there, their weight makes them slow. If oyu are trained for unarmed combat, the only weapons really worth a darn in close combat (less than about 8 feet) is a knife of a good club. And even the club is often not a match for a bare hand (esp if the barer is untrained).
In any case, training in close combat is well worth what is put into it many times over.
Note that even with all the technology available today, unarmed combat is still taught to all our soldiers, and ninja-like skills are even taught to some of our special forces. The reason is that there is nothing more important than troops on the ground.
Finally, suppose you are in an area you are not allowed to carry weapons and need to defend yourself. Unarmed combat training is worth its weight, as is training in improvised weaponry.
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Couldn't the master sniper take out the bodyguard and target? I bet he could even shoot the handcuff chain. Ninja-boy's job would just to be in the room when it happens and sneak out with the briefcase.
"Sufferin' succotash."
It's a method of warfare. Since when is it supposed to be "noble"? The consequences of warfare are abhorrent, but that shouldn't stop us discussing the means of waging war.
I will be honest I'm not familiar with Hatsumi but a master in many martial arts (especially swordplay) can only train students at the highest level by going all out. That means with the intention of striking a fatal blow, it's up to the students to prevent that fatal cut/blow as in a real life situation.
I didn't think there were any school's left that actually did this. It's out of place anyway, this isn't feudal japan.
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Cool, sounds good to me :-)
I'm not getting older, just better.
Point taken.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
"Movie-style ninja, BTW, have a much longer history than the movies (although the term "ninja" does not appear to have been popularized until the 20th century). Ninja shows, ninja houses (sort of like American "haunted houses" at carnivals), and ninja novels and stories were popular by the middle of the Tokugawa period. The "ninja" performers may have created the genre completely out of whole cloth, or they may have built on genuine lore derived from old spymasters. Either way, however, it's clear that much of the lore underlying both modern ninja movies and modern ninja schools has both a long history AND little basis in reality outside the theatre."
"I used to tell students that the question of ninja was, from a historian's standpoint, still somewhat open. I think I'm going to take a much stronger line from now on, and point out that there are no historically credible claims supporting the historicity of a tradition which somehow concludes with modern schools of ninjustsu."
Somewhat related is this post makes the argument that the supposedly ancient history of karate (and possibly other martial arts) was manufactured in the 19th century for political reasons related to the colonization of Okinawa by the Japanese.
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I have spent time learning a combat martial art- there are a number of them out there. I am not talking about Karate taught as a sport (though Karate can be taught as a combat art), I am talking about combat martial arts training. We never even sparred because we did not want to train ourselves to pull our punches.
There are many things that such a martial art can teach that are hard to learn from a sport such as tennis. Sensory enhancement, more nimble reflexes, etc. are common benefits. Additionally, there is a focus benefit that is hard to describe. Combat training even if you never use it, changes how you think and how you approach the world and it is not all bad. If anything, you become less inclined to resort to violence because you deeply understand and are conscious of what you are capable of and therefore tend to be more unified in your approach to physical resistance. After studying these arts, I have used them in self defense only once, and I will not go into what happened on these forums.
Yes, it is sad that these skills are being lost. Unarmed combat training *is* something that is valuable from a personal development standpoint more than anything else.
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Wouldn't that suggest an ever-declining quality of ninja? Perhaps that's why he's the last, either that or pirates...
So let me get this straight: martial arts is a valid topic for /. now?
Clearly the people Modding the parent have never Shot an M-16. Please Mod Parent, And me, only if you know what you are talking about.
Virtaully No-one could hit ANYTHING with an m-16 at 1000 yards. I dont even know what the drop on that is, but the difference between 1000, and 1050 yards is going to be hella Signifigant. (the Difference between 300, and 350 yards is like 3 feet). I mean, Shooting off your whole clip (not on automatic, thank you, the pull will kill any ability you have to aim) will not really help. If you have to hit ANYTHING past 300 yards, you need a different Rifle. I mean, with a Scope, MAYBE you can press to 450 (I never trained on the M-16 with a scope.) I find it hard to believe the parent, talking about ranges of 1000 yards with an M-16 EVER fired one.
Damn her for advising me to go into technology or law.
She never once advised me to be a ninja.
I was never told of all the expected opportunities in the ninja profession with so many ninjas reaching retirement age or committing hara-kari.
What do you practice, then? Krav Maga or something?
A few weeks of generic military rifle training will teach anyone all they need to know to use a rifle effectively. The US Army does a pretty effective job teaching rifle skills in basic training
The mere fact that you would say that shows that you have absolutely, positively, no idea what you're talking about. Basic is going to (hopefully) teach you how to NOT shoot yourself when handed a gun. Anything more than that is going to come later in training, and only if you wind up in a specialization that requires that ability.
Could I hit a target every time at 1000 yards? Probably not. You solve that problem by making sure you have more than one round at your disposal. You don't need to hit a target with every shot as long as you have a full clip. Three-round groups don't hurt too much either.
Well, if the target were twenty feet wide, and conditions were right, you might be able to pull it off. Maybe. But a thousand yards is an awfully long ways out there. Most civilian ranges don't go out that far. Also, the M-16 rifle is loaded using "magazines" not "clips". Oh, and if you'd ever had any real training you'd know WHY a three-round burst would be virtually useless against a target at a thousand. Hint: it's called muzzle rise.
Honestly, grandparent said everything that needs to be said about long-distance marksmanship. Parent is a cocky grunt that never had any real training with a precision rifle. Anyone who would brag about making Expert with an M-16 in the Army, in regards to long distance shooting, is proclaiming to the world they have no idea what they're talking about.
A few weeks of generic military rifle training will teach anyone all they need to know to use a rifle effectively. The US Army does a pretty effective job teaching rifle skills in basic training. I had never handled anything other than a b-b gun as a kid, and by the time rifle training was done in basic, I qualified expert with the M-16.
Could I hit a target every time at 1000 yards? Probably not. You solve that problem by making sure you have more than one round at your disposal. You don't need to hit a target with every shot as long as you have a full clip. Three-round groups don't hurt too much either.
This is known as spray and pray. Fairly effective at about 20 m almost a lottery at 50m and hopelessly outgunned against a marksman of any calibur at 100m. The longest snipe was 2,430m by Master Corporal Arron Perry of the Canadian armed forces on a moving target (a moving target as well). At that range regaurdless of the rifle you use you will be pwned by a trained sniper and snipers aren't easily trained.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
I was assuming it would be Stephen Hayes but it seems he may have diverged too much in creating his own school of thought in terms of Ninjutsu for that to be appropriate. There is also Glen Morris, and a few others, or it could be someone I haven't heard of yet.
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A form of Kenpo. That is all I will say. I have a lot of respect for the Tokugare Ninpo schools, which I believe Hatsumi founded. Different tradition. Different optimizations. But very effective in its own way.
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"anything *can* be used as a weapon (which is why we need to recognize this regarding airport security and either design sensible regulations or require that everyone fly nude"
Won't work... remember ANYTHING can be used as a weapon....
Who needs ninjas when we have Jack Bauer?
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From long distance is one thing.. but a trained knifeman (or ninja i guess) is much more deadly than a trained gunman within 10 yards. I have little experience in either gunmanship or knifmanship but it is quite amazing the things someone can do with a knife.
Indeed. Actually the highest trained snipers use stealth as much as any ninja, and must operate alone or in 2 man teams, as well as being crack shots.
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Obviously I don't know if you're genuine and what you say about Hamitsu is true, but amen to the call for getting rid of mystical reverence for this stuff. If anything, your post shows that there is always another viewpoint when it comes to press pieces on martial arts declaring someone to be the best of something. I doubt Hamitsu is some unbeatable foe just because his teacher was "the last fighting ninja."
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Who says you cant shoot anything beyond 300 yards?
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I've shot bullseyes at 600 yards using a well-conditioned AR15/M16 and iron sights. The only thing is that you have to crank the hell out of the rear sight to account for the drop. The problem isn't the weapon's inherent accuracy, but correctly managing elevation and windage.
The AR15/M16 is a very popular service rifle in civilian and military competition. I've never had the opportunity to do a 1000 yard match, but I know plenty of people who have. While it isn't quite as point-and-click like a scoped "sniper" weapon, the rifle is probably more accurate than you're giving it credit for.
[Maybe I'm just biased from being on a Navy shooting team]
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Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Quite right. Mark Twain put it another way: "common sense ain't so common"...
Those of us who recognize the obviousness of broad statements of wisdom like Hatsumi's often forget that a lot of people don't understand these things -- that is, they don't live their lives based upon these simple understandings of the world. (Economics is much the same way -- it's pretty much common sense, but people try hard to refuse to believe or apply it.)
For them, obvious wisdom bears repetition...
Is Capitalism Good for the Poor?
I have a lot of respect for the Tokugare Ninpo schools
Togakure. Just saying.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Touching a man sized target, that isnt moving, that you know is at 500 yards, is VERY differentt then hitting somone, whose distance is vaguley estimated.
How well can you estimate distance? can you really tell distance, at even medium range, to within 20%?
Lets say you can. Lets give you the benifit of the doubt, and give you a scope (which will help you estimate range). So I will give you 10% accuracy. So you guess right, to within 50 Yards.
So you are between 450, and 550 yards. Now, just some rough (ROUGH) numbers. Using regular bullets (not the heavier, more accurate, less common green bullets) the speed of the damn thing is ~990 yards/sec, exiting the breech. At over 100 yards, it has already slowed below 930. At 500 yards, it is reasnoble (I dont know the numbers on this) that it will be going slower than 700 yards/second.
Average speed: roughly 850.
So at 500 yards, it will have been in the air 5/8.5 seconds. Meaning it has fallen a total of 9.4 feet.
(roughly)
how far will the bullet have fallen at 450 yards?
4.5/8.5 (not really cause the closer you are the faster the average speed)
very roughly 8.5 feet (ok, so I was wrong with the 3 feet in myGP post. I havent done this in YEARS).
at 550 yards? probably about 10.6 feet.
So, with only a 10% screw up in range estmation, you are typically going to be off by about a foot (up or down). This doenst take into account the effects of wind (at 500 yards, your bullet has been in the air for most of a second, the wind WILL be affecting it).
With the Iron Sites, (and no help and range estimation) I dobut very much that you are going to have that much accuracy.
Look, the M-16 is a great rifle. But Past 200 yards without a site, you are asking for trouble.
At 1000 yards?
the bullet has been in the air almost a second and a half (by then it is moving well under 500 yards/second). Meaning you have to aim 27? feet above your target (even with a scope. I havent seen ajustable scopes on an m-16. Not saying they dont exist, just I havent seen em. Wouldnt make so much sense at any rate.). So you will have issues putting the "cross hairs" (or line up of the pin between the two bars (sorry I dont know the english terminology for the parts of an m-16)) well above your target. So you will be aiming in the air. and your target will be blocked by the barrel of your Rifle. You likely wont even be able to SEE it. How are you going to get anything close to a lateral pin on it, when you are looking above your target, in the air?
500 yards, Where you know the range, Possible. Hard. But Possible (I never had to hit anything with an m-16 at more than 300 yards, and without a scope, THAT is a bitch).
1000 yards? The guy hasnt fired an M-16.
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Big ones, small ones, some as big as yer 'ead!
Give 'em a twist, a flick o' the wrist...
Don't tell Shoto Tanemura.
In Léon (or The Professional), when Jean Reno teaches Natalie Portman how to be a hitman, he started training her as a sniper because that gave her the most distance between your target and herself. However, as she got better, the distance slowly got shorter and shorter, until one of the scenes when Jean came out of the shadows with a knife to the neck of his target.
I know movies don't really hold any universal truth, but there just might be something to that. When you're far away, there are a lot more factors in play due to the distance. The closer you are, the more gauranteed kill you have (if you're skilled enough).
I mean if you're going to say gun replaced swords, might as well say rocket launchers replaced guns.
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I totally laughed when I saw that. I, as a child, admired Richard Dean Anderson. Even more than K.I.T.T. (I am hoping to convert my '99 formula).
/. could I find someone with similar heroes
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I defy you, or anyone else, to estimate you distance, get out your stupid eyeglass scredriver, ajust your back site, and get a round off.
I dont even know if the back site ajusts to be useful at more than 600 yards.
What Sized Target were you hitting at 500 yards? A body? A head? I mean, at 250 yards, (when you know it is 250 yards. Again. Unless you are carrying around a rangefinder, how do you know you are at 500 yards, and not 450? Because the marker on the shooting range says so? I mean, with the iron sites, it is HARD to estimate distance. Even with the scope where you can see how much between the ticks 2 peoples heads are. Its still a crapshoot) Fully happy. At 500 yards? With an M-16? Your sites are going to be so far off you wont be able to hit anything close to you.
Again. At 500 yards, you are at apprecialbe parts of a second. M-16 are hella light, it has past that funny place where it flips, and the wind is already doing funny things to it. At that range use a friggin M-24. Bigger bullet. Spins Faster (greater Stability). Moving faster.
Ok Ok. ON a shooting range, you can handle distance, and get good numbers for how far it is falling. I guess if you are on a ship, that is good enough.
But if you are moving? Use the right tool, in the right place. 500 yards? I am inclined to belive you, cause who wants to call you a liar.
1000 yards? With an m-16? Anyone who told you that is either doing their shootin in an aiplane hanger (little wind), with a range-finder, and a really accurate drop table. Or just lying. I mean, at that range, your m-16 is acting more like a Mortar. Can people shoot Mortars accurately? Sure, you Navy boys do it all the time. As Does Artillery.
Is that what an M-16 DOES? no
I remember mention that Lomax was a possibility, but he's back here in Adelaide and I don't know what's the go these days (been out of the loop for waaay too long).
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"Son, why don't you get out more... you know, like train under that ninja that's been living in the moutains... it'd be a good way to keep in shape and honor your history."
"Ugh, DAD! that is so LAME!"
It's official, I will never have children as pleasing them is impossible. If you can't make a 13 year old boy happy with an apprenticeship to a real ninja, nothing ever will.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
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The real thing is easily found at UFC Fighting, anyone want to put some money on this clown against say Matt Hughes. I'm up for your finacial lesson ;).
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Congratulations -- you've demonstrated that a long-rifle is effective from a distance against a visible target. You've not even addressed close-quarters combat.
I once saw a demonstration whereby someone with a holstered pistol (OK, it was a toy for the demonstration), standing 12 feet from an old-school martial artist, could NOT unholster the weapon and aim it before he got disarmed, knocked on his ass, and placed into a submission hold. It was quite scary to behold. (Yes, I'm sure if he was 25 feet away, he could have gotten the shot off -- military doctrine says kill 'em before they get close, but they still teach hand-to-hand for when that goes to shit.)
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Hatsumi is the real deal - the only real deal.
The rest of you can stuff your Shang-Chi comics up your ass.
Talking about Hatsumi like the posts I've seen here is like talking about Linus Torvalds (or any top programmer - take your pick) as if he just learned Basic and had written his first "Hello World" program.
Not that Hatsumi himself would care - a bunch of dumb American geeks aren't going to do his reputation any harm.
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I'm yet another person who's Bujinkan and who has studied under soke Hatsumi.
He and ninpo taijutsu are far, far from black-clad (ok ok we're black clad) assassins of the night. Soke himself is very enlightened, cheerful, and playful. The Bujinkan has affected me a great deal spiritually boosting me and making me a better person. To see the start contrast of "ninjutsu" and actual ninpo taijutsu, try and pick up some copies of Sanmyaku, which are essentially the Bujinkan magazines full of kind and wise words.
I've also read comments here saying that his mentor, Takamatsu, was more of a ninja assassin, which is also bollocks. He was a man of his time and engaged in much life-and-death combat, but was not some evil assassin. I can only hope that the motion pictures of Takamatsu make their way into the world and everyone has a chance to see the man in motion, not just rusty old pictures.
You learn some pretty good combat and stealth techniques, but you also learn heart and peace and none of this is anything like the "ninja assassin" bullshit (which ironically, was why I first joined the Bujinkan, whoops).
using a .50 cal rifle!!
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I think my only option is to commit seppuku at this point.
With a frisbee?
Use Ctrl-C instead of ESC in Vim!
I was largely joking about flying nude...
The fact remains though that people often don't appreciate the possibilities of improised weapons. Istr that there are ninpo forms that would work very well using a blanket as a weapon.
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Dang it. What I meant was, With a frisbee?
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As far as I can tell, there were several aspects to Ninjutsu and Ninpo. THese included:
1) Spiritual/occult training (Stephen Hayes covers this subject well in his books)
2) Armed and unarmed combat (I am not sure a book can teach you these)
3) Physical skills of stealth and endurance
4) Psychological warfare
One of the best all around looks at Ninpo today is "Pathnotes of an American Ninja Master" by Glenn Morris. Well worth the read. He talks about being beaten in a knife sparring match by Stephen Hayes' 8-month-pregnant wife (yes, *anything* can be used as a weapon), about spiritual aspects of the path, and more. Well worth the read.
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Forgot to mention that bit.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
They play a mean round of golf!
"When the atomic bomb goes off there's devastation...but when the atomic bong goes off there's celebraaaaation!"
This is slightly off topic but really the legands of wonder fighters have about as much reality as Crouching Tiger etc.
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Show up in the Octagon and see who walks away. It's pretty simple. The _proven_ methods of combat are mutai, jujitsu and just plain pounding the crap out of the other guy. The Gracies with Royce Gracie as the lead dominated the early days showing Brazillian Jujitsu as the most effective combat method. As time has passed there have been advances in defense and the striker - grappler thing is much more even now.
I would like to see Hatsumi strut his stuff but it's just a myth. There have been quite a few so called amazing martial artists humiliated in short order.
PenGun
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Don't write off the Ninpo masters so lightly.... If it came down to it, I am absolutely certain that life-long practitioners of combat martial arts will beat those who have dulled their skills with theatrics any day.
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Then those people are training wrong. One of my friends went to army sniper school in the 80s. He said holding your breath when you shoot is one of the worst things you can do. Holding your breath clenches your abdominal muscles, creating a slight tremor that disrupts your hand and eye. At 300+ yards it makes a noticeable difference in your shot.
Instead what you do is regulate your breathing into a controlled rhythm that you work into your aim (not a fixed point), then fire as you exhale. This produces more predictable results than the herky-jerky of holding your breath.
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Your mention of cheap shots reminds me of a book a friend of mine has (he is into martial arts). I think it's called "How to be Invisible," and by his description, all of the ways listed involve blinding your opponent - throw sand in his eyes, spit in his eyes, pull something over his head, etc. The last way listed in the book is, I think, just a cartoon where a guy meditates and disappears.
But yeah, basically, the cheap shots are what do it for you.
The biggest thing yall seem to be missing is that fighting techniques, which invoke skill over physical streangth, Teach Respect, honor, and humility. Somthing that is missing in most of the westernalized cultures. 1 on 1 training as a spiritual form is the best way for anyone of any age to learn respect, not just for your elders but for your peers. You also gain peace by the teachings. I was a wrestler in HS, and studied many ancient art forms for better technique and more creativity against an oponant, sense then I have been too busy and been knocked out of shape, but I still hold on to the respect I gained.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
All these people talking about guns and no one has said it yet?
:%s/blaster/handgun :%s/Jedi Knight/Ninja
"This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or as random as a blaster, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age."
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Ah, the bravery of being out of range.
I hope you do, one day, find a ninja in your sights. Prepare yourself, however! For before your bullet leaves its barrel, you'll be dead.
I look forward to killing you, soon.
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Yes, I said Redneck Cyber Ninja Monkeys.
The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. - Edward R. Murrow
These are two different skill sets. While any monkey can use a firearm, it will not protect you against a trained assassin that observes your movements and launches a suprise attack.
sniper > above monkey with a rifle > samarai > ninja On a well cut grass field
Sniper > ninja > above monkey with a rifle > Samarai in a heavy brush
Sniping is essentially a ninja with a rifle. Not any monkey can be a sniper. But a good sniper can take out any number of of the three other groups above.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Or where you need a ninja to sneak in, slip past the bodyguard, make the target's death look like an accident, and replace the documents with fakes. They'd never know what happened.
Okay, it seems we have two different conversations going on.
.308 caliber is probably a better choice.
1. Is the M16 accurate at 600+ yards?
Yes. The rear sight is easily adjustable with soldier-proof knobs. With a decent range estimation and some idea of what the wind is doing, you can reliably hit a static target at some distance. A standard NRA Highpower match goes out to 600 or 1000 yards, and it includes regular service rifles.
2. Is the M16 a practical choice for the average soldier in the field at 200+ yards?
Probably not. As soon as you throw moving, un-ranged targets into the mix, iron-sights estimation is a crapshoot at best. Additionally, the further the bullet goes, the less damage it may do (which generally isn't an issue with paper targets). Something scoped in
"Only a Ninja can kill another Ninja."
Chuck Norris beware!
At first, I thought his ninja-advice was full of powerful thought-fu. Then, I realized that it's not that hard to 'always be able to kill your students' when you ensure that they're all in their dotage.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
Oh, go balance a tack hammer on your head.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions.
If you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack.
Although I'm still not clear on why I'm wearing watermelon on my feet.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
...Takamatsu snatched an eyeball from a would-be Chinese bandit.
This bandit must have called him an old fool.
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
"If you do not master your anger..."
"'...then your anger will master you.' That's what you were going to say, isn't it? Isn't it?"
"Not necessarily."
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I have to call bullshit on this.. Only because i've tried, numerous times to fire the m16 at many things over 600 yds. With an M16 you're pushing it even at 300 yds far less 600 yds. Static or not, and even if you account for wind and elevation unless you're scientifically placing your shots and getting rounds off you WILL miss. I know, because I've done it. There are too many factors, too many variables and the M16 simply doesn't have a long enough barrel to be accurate with any sort of regularity. You can get pretty good at 300-400 yds if you know your weapon but that's it.
As a practical choice for 200+ yds it's indeed a fine weapon once you account for your own weapon tendencies. You can easily drop into a forward prone and set off rounds with accuracy at 200-300 yds. If you're speaking about from the top shooting you can still be even pretty accurate with the weapon but in combat no one is stupid enough to give the other side a half mast easy kill.
Also, all this 1000 yd talk is obviously for people who've never fired the m16. I mean, 1000 yds with a m16, if you actually hit your target it's because you were lucky. As some other poster was saying.. You can let mortars fly and they may even hit the target but how often does that happen? It's like saying you hit something with a m60.. It's used not for its accuracy as a weapon but to surpress fire while lets say snipers or other units position themselves for more accurate kills.
And snipers in the army do not use M16's.. Some of them have an affinity for their AR-15's.. some of them use M24's.. both come equipped with scopes and for the most part you're looking for 700-800 yd range and not 1000 yds or whatever nonsense people are talking above. Someone shooting with an m16 at 1000 yds and claiming accuracy is obviously lying; not even a sniper would try that. It's just clearly lunacy.
Hatsumi is also a chiropracter and artist as well. You can read a bit more about him here. If you'd like to see what a 73 year old ninja looks like in motion, check him out here. Even at his age, he moves much more fluidly than most, and easily throws around guys half his age.
I'm currently a student in the Genbukan Ninpo Bugei dojo, headed by Soke Tanemura Shoto, a former student of both Hatsumi and Hatsumi's teacher, Takamatsu Toshitsugu. Another ninpo ryu is the Jinenkan ryu, although I don't know very much about that particular school.
As much as I have a personal interest in this topic, I find it pretty odd to be appearing on Slashdot. News for nerds? Maybe, but not very tech-oriented. Still, glad to see that the real ninja are getting some recognition other than the Real Ultimate Power crap. The real history of the ninja is much more fascinating and entertaining than any drivel some goober on the internet can make up.
If anyone is interested further in any of this, feel free to email me, I'd be happy to converse on it. :)
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Be the darkness that allows the light to shine.
I can't wait till they start handing out beam weapons. Then I might finally be able to throw away that RPG in my closet.
I have nothing to say.
Yeah, as opposed to the Bible, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, or the Talmud. Those aren't wishy-washy at all, and of course they are all correct, even when they contradict each other or themselves.
Welcome to metaphysics you idiot.
That must of been a pretty big bullseye. So much for the Navy Shooting team, if true then I can only recommend you guys continue to stay on the ship and in your airplanes during battle and leave the more fine art of sniping and killing to us professionals in the army/marines because you got lucky.
Again, please leave the blood bathing to people more inclined to use the right tool for the job. "Always Forward!" not "Always in the pool!"
You sir are a wise man. No one even thinks along the lines of shooting a m16 at 1000 yards. It's like driving a city bus off road. It just makes no goddamn sense.
Which is why we have the dictum of using the right tool for the right job. If you only have a hammer, then everything starts to look like a nail.
For your scenario above, clearly the best tool for the job is a neutron bomb, and not a ninja.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Snakes on a plane, Pirate sniper ninjas.
Seriously, "Pirate sniper ninjas", if done correctly, as a movie would kick ass. Ok, so I've been drinking, but still...
And much beyond 20 feet, and evasive opponent becomes hard to hit. 20 feet is generally a good distance if you have a gun.
.45 was developed. A determined and trained adversary may not let a few 9mm bullets stop him.
However.... Remember why the
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The 8 foot range is assuming the gun is already out.
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On the other hand, in an enclosed space like an airplane, it would be hard for even the most accomplished martial artist to avoid being dogpiled by 20-30 desperate passengers. Sure, he/she could kill everyone who he/she could reach, but it's really hard to move (or even breath) once a couple tons of human meat is sitting on every part of your body.
(I'm having a bad flashback to being on the wrong side of a dogpile in a undergrad Rugby game gone awry...)
Its taught in defensive shooting tactics, a person with a knife, within 21 feet (7 yards) can consistantly deliver a fatal blow to a person with a holstered weapon.
I know it takes me about a second and a half to draw and fire from concealment at a target with reasonable accuracy. I also know it takes me about a second for me to move 10 yards from a standstill, leaving me half a second to strike/stab/slash, and I've got no training with knife fighting.
A knife in a gunfight is very dangerous indeed.
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Very very true. You also need to learn how to read the wind. Not just the wind where you are, and not just the wind where your target is -- both of those, as well as any movement the air may be doing between the end of your barrel and what you're aiming at. Very, very difficult. At a distance of 1,000 yards, 1 MOA (that's minute of angle, that means 1/60 of a degree) is about 10.5 inches. That's right. If your aim is off by ONE SIXTIETH OF ONE DEGREE, and you're trying to shoot a person, you'll be lucky to hit their arm. Even at 500 yards, that's 5 inches. I challenge any of you chair jockies to try holding something in place and repeatedly being able to pull a trigger without deviating by a fraction of a degree. Even if you reduce your muscle tremors (and everyone shakes, slightly) to nothing at all, the blood pumping through your body will move your aim more than a few fractions of a degree. I used to shoot smallbore competetively. Was pretty good, too -- 1600, 147X was my top outdoor prone score, if that matters to anyone. In order to shoot that well, I actually had conditioned myself to be able to control my heartbeat. Through breathing and concentration I was able to pause my heartbeat and my breathing for a few seconds. I'd say I could pull off 2-3 seconds with no heartbeat.. which could have been much better, but I was around 60-70 BPM at that point. If I did more exercise and had managed to get to 40-50 BPM I probably could have pulled off 3-4 seconds with no heart beat. Chew on that the next time you're about to open your mouth and claim that serious long-range shooting is a joke, and that you could do it with only a few days practice. That's every bit as foolish as me claiming I could be a totally pr0 ninja, just give me a day or two to practice jumping around and climbing walls.
... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about.
Very well said Sir.
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What method does a person use to stop heartbeats like that? Also, do doctors say it is bad for you?
Whatever you say pal. Your misgivings certainly don't stop anyone from using an AR15/M16 at NRA-style highpower rifle matches. While firing a .223 bullet over 300 yards is a lob shot, that doesn't mean where it lands somehow defies the laws of physics.
Look! These guys shoot the M16 at 600 yards too! A couple pictures here too where some guys are shooting the AR15 at 600 yards.
Though, I'm obviously lying and making this all up, right?
According to you Slashdot is composed of 1337 N1nj4s,brewing their deadly perl scripts.
I could see "totally sweet". I once went to the Ueno Castle, and there was a Ninja House exhibit. The Ninjas were women in Lavender Ninja outfits. I'd say totally sweet.
http://www.iganinja.jp/english/menu.html
You'll have to scour google for decent pictures though. Here's a start.
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On that note.... please give my sincerest apologies to your mother regarding the black eye.
Cause mine isn't, it is secure in my hand and aimed at your head. And so the student becomes the master.
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I... don't rightly know, to be honest. It was just a matter of breathing control, and the fact that my heartbeat varies as I inhale/exhale normally anyway.
Basically went like this.. the closest and easiest way to relate what was going on would be to compare it to mediatation.
extreme calmness.. a blank mind, no-thought.. I'd lay there and shift my concentration slowly, very slowly, around my body, and make sure every single muscle was relaxed. Then, you just continue that, with slow breathing. I'd just lay there, almost as if I was falling asleep, but without the eyelid-droopy grogginess.
I never talked to any doctors about it.. I'm sure that over such a short period of time it's fine. I didn't have to do anything to START it beating again, and people get along fine just fine with heartbeats at only 30-40 BPM normally. I never suffered any ill effects from it, nothing major or even anything minor like slightly blacking out like you can do by holding your breath for a long time. Couldn't do it by sucking in a lot of air all at once and holding your breath, as all that air and muscle strain would mean a big heartbeat -- I'd have to work myself into it for a bit beforehand, with slow, controlled breathing, working up to just a pause. Some air in the lungs, but not much at all.. not enough to cause any sort of muscle stress anywhere.
As I said though, it's hard for me to describe without comparing it to some kind of crazy eastern meditation.
Definately the most worthwhile thing I took away from any sport I've participated in, I'd say -- it's a great "can you do this?" card to pull, but more than that, even though I don't think I really can do it anymore, the basics are still there.. great way to calm down and keep myself even.
... still waiting for this free-as-in-beer free beer I keep hearing about.
House without toilet is uncanny.
Yes, we read the same sites.
However.... Remember why the .45 was developed
.45 was developed to replace the .380" not the "9mm" which was being developed a continent away
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Somehow I think the Master, Hatsumi, would like my engines. I imagine he would look at my Millenial Dawn's two-sided opposing configuration as being just ONE LONG NEVERENDING, NEVER WINNING BATTLE between the Master and his best student, except neither one ever gets knocked on the floor "looking up at the rafters". Once he got a look at the dual direction generator we designed http://www.newpath4.com/VAPOR3.gif I guess that would be enough to lay him out on the floor, looking up at the rafters. Defeated by a principle of Physics, to which we know there is none superior.
I would recommend reading some of the writings of Stephen K. Hayes, a student of Hatsumi's, since I found they shed some light on the deep cultural aspects of ninjutsu. The ninja culture of feudal Japan was an important counter-culture (in) to the predominantly (yo) influence of the bushi, or samurai. Of course read Master Hatsumi's own writings as well!
Remember it was not military defeat in any single large battle that undid the historical influence of the ninja, but stability and a lack of customers (ie. lack of interest). Sadly, history repeats itself somewhat today...which is why, as mentioned in the article, so many of the students now are foreigners.
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Well you'd think they could do do something about Alexander Downer[1] then!
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In Léon (or The Professional), when Jean Reno teaches Natalie Portman how to be a hitman, he started training her as a sniper because that gave her the most distance between your target and herself. However, as she got better, the distance slowly got shorter and shorter, until one of the scenes when Jean came out of the shadows with a knife to the neck of his target.
And poured hot grits down his pants?
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[Arron Perry was a Master corporal of the Canadian Armed Forces that set the record for the longest sniper kill in wartime. In Afghanistan during combat in 2002, using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.
The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter. Perry, as well as four other Canadian snipers, received Bronze Stars from the U.S. military for their efforts.
Later in 2002, Perry was accused of discreditable conduct by the Canadian armed forces. He had allegedly removed a finger from an Al-Qaeda corpse, defecated on another, and had his picture taken with a third who bore a sign around his neck reading "Fuck Terrorism". No charges were ever laid in the investigation.
In April of 2005, Perry left the Canadian armed forces to pursue his own interests.]
Seems slightly strange you get medals for killing them - but messing with the corpses is a no-no.
There is a documentary film about Toshitsugu Takamatsu, with Masaaki Hatsumi in it as well. It's a Japanese film, the title in English is "Takamatsu Toshitsugu, the Last Real Ninja". It's based upon a black-and-white movie filmed in the '60s that shows Takamatsu Sensei teaching Hatsumi Sensei in a park. Takamatsu Sensei demonstrates unarmed techniques and weapon techniques from the nine schools, with comments in Japanese (subtitled in English) by Hatsumi Sensei. A torrent for this film was uploaded to Secret Cinema http://www.secret-cinema.com/ a while back. It's dead now, but I am busily working on getting it back up again, so if you're interested check Secret Cinema for it in the next few days.
I was reading the article and listening to Kohina Internet radio and suddenly the SID tune Last Ninja 2 by Matt Gray started playing! :-)
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Of course, what he probably meant is "sake", a kind of alcoholic beverage. But, you already knew that.
This is known as spray and pray. Fairly effective at about 20 m almost a lottery at 50m and hopelessly outgunned against a marksman of any calibur at 100m.
Unless of course you happen to be in an armored vechicle or happen to have access to a radio which invovles you calling in an air strike.
Then of course it really blows to be the sniper at that point...
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Maasaki Hatsumi is the last grand master of Ninjitsu, but that is not to say he is the last Ninja. Steven K. Hayes was one of his students, the first westerner to receive formal Ninja training, well before the whole 1980's Ninja boom.
While there is heavy martial arts training involved, thereis an equal amount of spiritual and mental training as well. For example, Mr. White having to dodge his padded sword to attain his next rank is a test of his senses. The "attacker" focuses his intent to hit the student and the intent is what is sensed and timed to dodge the strike. If one makes no noise, then that is the only way to know without a visual sense.
If anyone is really interested in the ways of the Ninja, check out a series by Steven K Hayes aptly named "Ninja". It is in 5 parts and explains the fundamentals of Ninjitsu. A good read for anyone casually or seriously interested.
What else can happen when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object?
All these replies you have got from all these sniper experts is amazing, but lets face it, sniping is seen as being 100% cool until you play Unreal Tournament and everybody forgets the coolness and calls them campers.
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that's 2.43 kilometers or 1 ½ Miles on a moving target ... that's what a Crazy Canuck can do ...
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Note that even with all the technology available today, unarmed combat is still taught to all our soldiers, and ninja-like skills are even taught to some of our special forces. The reason is that there is nothing more important than troops on the ground.
Unarmed combat ceased to be the most important thing in armed conflict with the invention of club and spear. By the end of medieval times warfare had come to be dominated by longbows and projectiles. Obviously unarmed combat has only diminished in importance since then. In modern combat people get killed primarily with artillery, bombs and long distance weapons (in recent wars, 80% of casualties had shrapnel wounds). In the unlikely event that you get close enough to actually see your enemy first hand you will be shooting each other with rifles and machine guns, and praying that you will get heavy fire support before they do. Some recent asymmetric conflict like Iraq are a bit different but still you will see that "insurgents" are mostly killed by heavy support weapons, and Americans mostly by remote detonated bombs. In the cases when they get closer to each other American troops tend to dominate with their superior marksmanship and training. If the insurgents can device a plan to get really close to American troops, they will set off a suicide bomb, not enter a fist fight.
Hollywood of course tends to exaggerate hand to hand combat as it is much more exciting to have the hero and the villain fight it out with their bare teeth than having either killed by a random artillery shell.
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Different strokes for differnt folks. I have no sniper training, but I do competition benchrest shooting, and any breathing, rythmed or not, produces crosshair movement, making you try to pull the trigger at "just the right moment", which is not the way to make a good shot. You want to be able to calmly and slowly press the trigger moving the rifle as little as possible while doing it (which is why most benchrest shooters want the lightest trigger pull they can safely achieve. The less force you have to put in the trigger, the less you'll move the rifle).
Also, I don't know if you noticed or intended it, but notice that you mentioned "he said holding your breath". Technically, holding your breath is inhaling and then waiting to exhale. I have indeed found this to make for a jumpy shot. What I said though, was to exhale before aiming, and not inhale again until the trigger has been pulled.
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It's quite possible. I mean, there were fighter pilots who engaged in one-on-one duels (with very different rules and settings, but still) and the very best of them came away victorious after a dozen or more fights. So it's not impossible on the face of it.
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From the little I know about *REAL* ninjas, I would most certainly agree with his view that the current idea of a ninja is pathetic.
Time for a history lesson, boyos and grlls: this is allegedly a true story of the ultimate ninja, back in the 16th century.
He was hired to kill a general. He hid in the general's outhouse, down in the shit and piss, breathing through a reed, until the general came in to make use of it. He killed him by impaling him with a spear up the rectum, then stayed hidden in the shit for another three days, until they gave up looking, and he could escape.
Ready to emulate him? No? Then stop running off at the mouth about ninjas, and go play with your Legos (tm), and stop "ninja this" and "ninja that".
mark, no, I never had an intention to be a ninja
The longest snipe was 2,430m by Master Corporal Arron Perry of the Canadian armed forces on a moving target (a moving target as well).
Note that, although that's an amazing feat in and of itself, it was Perry's second shot on the target. US Marine Gunnery Sergeant Carlos N. Hathcock's 2500 yard confirmed kill with a .50 caliber Browning rifle (the previous record holder) was made on the first shot.
The man in black who molested you in a child was a priest, not a ninja!
What's your job where it's safe to watch 15 minute videos?
The article is slightly incorrect; Shoto Tanemura Sensei (my Soke) was also a student of Takamatsu Sensei, and (as I understand it) both claim to be the recipient and keeper of the scrolls which pass to the grand master of Ninpo Bugei, with Hatsumi Sensei heading the Bujinkan organisation, and Soke heading the Genbukan Federation, of which I am a member. Both teach Ninpo Bugei, the traditional Japanese martial art of the samurai and the ninja.
I only know of Hatsumi Sensei from his website and articles about him, but I have trained briefly with Soke, and I train with one of his students here in the UK. About thirty of us went over to Japan last October for a seminar celebrating Soke's 50th year of studying martial arts, and after dinner one evening Soke spoke about the history of Ninpo Bugei, briefly touching on the differences of opinion and approach between himself and Hatsumi Sensei which lead to them forming separate branches of the Ninpo tree. All I can say is that Ninpo is an excellent martial art, developing not just fighting abilities but strength of character and inner peace as well, resulting in (in layman's terms) a great bunch of people doing a really challenging, worthwhile, and fun activity.
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If they are real ninja, why the hell they are wearing Kabuki theatre stage handlers black suits ? In Kabuki theatre stage handlers were considered "invisible" to audience, so the actor playing invisible ninja was wearing stage handler black suit, to show the audience that he is "invisible". This agreement would hardly help in the real life.
You are right about the 9mm, but the fact is that the .45 was designed for a specific task-- namely to have a bullet strike an attacker hard enough to stop a charge. The problem was that a charging attacker who takes even a large number of bullets to the torso can still reach the shooter and strike him with a club or knife, even if the initial distance was substantial. If your adversary is largely immune to the shock of being shot (due to altered states, whether drug induced or otherwise), a .380 or a 9mm will not stop the charge, and thus shooting your attacker even multiple times may not be enough to save your own life.
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or rather a disgruntled IHOP employee?
Sidearms have some limited usefulness but you are right that aside from those who are not expected to face combat anyway, there is no real reason to carry them (and indeed every reason *not* to). If you have an assault carbine, for example, a pistol is not going to add any flexibility to your ability to handle longer range combat and may even put you at a disadvantage in close range combat (it is another bit of weight). Furthermore, for hand to hand combat, an M16 beats a pistol any day because you can use it like a short staff while a pistol is sort of like an L-shaped rock....
.45 was developed).
Knife combat and other close combat is not a joke. Indeed, if you are not well trained in this regard, are aiming a gun at me, and are within 8 feet, I can take that gun away from you with little effort before you get a credible chance to shoot me. Also, there are plenty of cases of people on various sides of armed conflicts sustaining a *very* large amount (read lethal damage several times over) of damage only to close in and kill enemies with hand to hand combat before succuming to their wounds. Highly motivated enemies may not get stopped by gunfire. Documented examples include some American soldiers in Vietnam, as well as Phillipine Moros resisting American occupation (typically in this case, the Moro would sustain lethal gunshot wounds yet still kill the American soldier(s) with his club-- which was the exact reason the
My form of martial arts specializes in *close* combat (what some call infighting). One friend of mine has compared it to having a fist fight with someone while locked in a telephone booth (this is diametrically opposite to Ninpo which tends to favor outfighting including flanking, and it is *really* amusing to spar with Aikido types because they are entirely unprepared for this sort of approach).
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Unarmed combat ceased to be the most important thing in armed conflict with the invention of club and spear.
I never said it was the most important thing, just that it was often underrated.
There are many areas including surprise close in attacks from civil defense forces, black ops, etc. where unarmed combat is still extremely important.
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Staves and canes are quite dangerous (and are better at killing people than you think) and they are subcategories of clubs. In particular there are Indian and Philipino martial arts forms that specialize in lethal force with clubs.
Clubs/short staves were also a favored weapon among police forces in Japan for a long time (a skilled police man could *break* a Samurai sword with his club if necessary).
You make a few mistakes in your appraisal however:
1) Reach is not exceptionally important. A knife vs a good club or stave is an asymetric fight. In any case, against a good knife fighter, you can expect to get cut, perhaps badly. The analogous statement may or may not be true of those attacking with a stave or a club (getting cut does *not* depend on the velocity of the weapon). All I need to do with a knife is be able to reach your *hand* or your *arm* as you attack.
2) While short staves can be turned into clubs, longer staves are less effective at striking at cluse ranges (i..e within a foot) so they are susceptible to infighting. Knives are not. At very short ranges they might have some (limited) defensive and leverage possibilities, but would be quite a bit less flexible than being completely.
Staves work well against an opponent who is likely to be attempting to outfight or midfight you with or without weapons. They fail *miserably* if an opponent moves in and infights you. Knives tend to be the opposite, though they can reasonably used in midfighting and outfighting. They are more versitile, and more of a threat to me as I am trained to move in as soon as possible and fight you with my torso in contact with yours. With a club, a cane, or a staff, you have to stop me from doing this. If you don't, you are unlikely ever to get the leverage to hurt me.
With a knife, I may still get cut.
BTW, almost everyting you said about a staff also goes for infighting-- few people know how to deal with an opponent that close, and if you are trained, you can strike your opponent hard anywhere without exposing yourself in the process.
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If you were prepared for it, you would still be seriously at risk. As a said in the gun thread, even gunshot wounds are unlikely to stop the most motivated/determined attackers. If, in an airplane you are are attacked by a large number of passengers, you are likely to be in *serious* trouble.
:-) Also unopened pop cans might make nice projectiles... Then you have powdered cheyenne pepper, hot tea, and a million other things that can help to incapacitate a would-be terrorist.
In these cases it is better to be on the side of the crowd rather than against it. However, in this case, knowing that you can probably throw a dining fork and hurt someone (namely a terrorist on the plane) might be a good thing
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Every single post on here where people are talking about how they studied with High Ninja Doodle-Sensei is being read, inside my head, in the voice of Dwight from The Office.
I just can't shake it. How awful.
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but a trained knifeman (or ninja i guess) is much more deadly than a trained gunman within 10 yards.
Within 10 feet, perhaps, but I'd definitely prefer a gun with a starting distance of 10 yards.
"The use-mention distinction" is not "enforced here."
Anyone can kill with a gun. % year old, to 100 year old
Sounds to me like you've never used a gun before.
"The use-mention distinction" is not "enforced here."
But sniper rifles are? That's great, where can I get one?
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> And while there isn't any chain link fence running for you, there's some wall
> climbing and poison dart action in this old video near the end.
This movie is utterly unimpressive. For a start, the "jumping up into a high tree" stunt at the end---the only potentially-amazing part---is jumping DOWN played in reverse. (Watch it a few times, you'll see this---I picked up on it immediately because it's related to my area of research.) Plus, the "bashing head bloody to prove determination" thing at the beginning is also faked - you'd be able to see blood on the guy's forehead if there was as much as the blood spot on the wall suggests.
Other than that, it's basically all scripted demos, which are nothing more than what you'd see in any martial arts flick, and 5 seconds of climbing up a rough wall that anyone I know who does rock climbing could scale.
Totally uninspiring. If this "ninja master" is at all associated with this movie, I find any amazing claims about him highly unlikely.
No silly, snipers work in pairs: the shooter and the spotter.
In your situation, the shooter would shoot the case chain then take out the target and bodyguard from an apartment across the street with a supressed 300 Whisper. The spotter would be walking towards the target, then when the shooter has done his job, he would grab the case, jump on the motorcycle they had previously parked and drive off.
insightful my ass.
So someone has gotten within touching distance you're saying a handgun is useless? You have three pounds of metal in a secure two handed grip that can put everything you got into a barrel less than an inch across. That is a damn good striking weapon. That's good enough to get room to reload.
With modern bullets (and by modern, I mean less than a decade) a .45 is only marginally better than a 9mm. With ball ammo like they used way back when (and in the military today), a .45 is much better. In suppressed situations, a .45 is much, much better.
Most people train to exhale before aiming and not take another breath until the shot is taken (minimizes movement).
Then those people are training wrong.
I agree. I was a U.S. Marine Designated Marksman, (more urban/hostage rescue oriented than Marine Scout/Sniper), and holding your breath is bad for several reasons. First, you aren't guaranteed to be holding the same amount of air in your lungs each time, which makes acheiving the proper body position difficult. (Too long to explain here...) Second, if you are holding your breath you aren't as relaxed, and muscle tension will throw off your shot. Finally, the longer you hold your breath, the more, and harder, your heart beats. (Darn thing wants to get more oxygen to your cells.) At long ranges your pulse will throw off your shot pretty badly. (I have seen my crosshairs jump entirely off a 3' target at 500 yards due to my pulse.)
The Marines do not use the "exhale as you fire" rule since it requires exact timing to fire at the perfect spot in your breath. Instead, they teach to fire at the "natural respiratory pause" that occurs between each breath. Between each breath there is a second or two before you begin to inhale. (Check it out if you don't believe me...) If you breathe naturally, it is the same each time, so you don't have another aspect of shooting to control. It also gives you more time to apply pressure to the trigger, so you can avoid jerking the trigger and missing low.
If everything is done properly - body position, muscle relaxation, breathing, etc., you can actually pull the trigger with your eyes closed and hit your target.
In regards to the GP, the Marine Corps does a pretty good job of teaching how to shoot the M-16 in boot camp. If you can't hit a target at 500 yards, you aren't going to qualify with with the M-16 and you don't get to graduate from boot camp until you do. They spend 2 entire weeks on marksmanship - the first learning how to get into proper shooting positions, how to aim and spending time snapping-in (dry-firing at targets). The entire second week is spent on the range practicing, and on Friday you shoot the qualification course. Does that mean that every Marine is a dangerous sniper? No, but they are all proficient with it out to 500 yards, and can monitor the environment to determine the required windage. You also receive classes on range estimation, and practice engaging targets at unknown distances to get a feel for it. Finally, the front sight post is a good way to estimate range. Get a feel for how it looks compared to man-sized and shaped targets at known distances. Then extrapolate as needed. It isn't as good as a nice scope with mil-dots, but if you are close enough, you might miss them 2-3" high, (upper chest or neck), or low, (lower chest, solar plexus) but without a good medical team nearby, they are still dead.
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I'm sure your bowstaff skills come in handy when you're LARPing with your D & D buddies.
How about any time? No.
1000 yards, huh? Hmmm... let's do some math:
Max effective range M-16A2 (point target) = 550m
Max effective range M-16A2 (area target) = 800m
1000 yards = 914.4 meters
So my conclusion is... let's see... add that... and... carry... the
And we all know how often ninjas(ninji?) stand in well lighted area.
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I saw a group of these "followers" following the dalai lama around(they took it upon themselves to "protect" him) when I saw him speak years ago. Not a one of them had under 35% body fat. Pretty funny watching guys in black outfits and tabi boots "sneaking" about in an auditorium under flourescent lighting.
Agreed. Ninjas (a.k.a. Shinobi) were spies. Plain and simple. Not great warriors or fighters but just plain old spies. I read a lot of Japanese history (in Japanese) and never are ninjas mentioned as something important or revered in martial arts or anything else for that matter. They just gathered information and sold it to the highest bidder. In fact, whenever a ninja was discovered and killed, the killiing wounds were usually found on the ninjas' back. In other words, ninjas ran away from fights rather than face opponents. Hatsumi has a descent reputation in Japan but is also known to sell his rank certificates to the highest bidder.
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Let me guess: White Tiger Gong Fu?
I unfortunately know too many people that think that "fighting while locked in a telephone booth" (or alternatively, a bathroom) is all they need to know. The trouble is, they not only suck when a person can step away, but also suck up close to anything beyond the limited number of short-range techniques they've seen. I just demonstrated a judo throw to one White Tiger guy (who wanted to "learn how to defeat Judo") and the guy tossed himself on the ground, he was so unused to throwing techniques.
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You mean it might be somene not selling their knowledge on DVD's for $50 each? Think McDojo with an online drive through.
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> So, how many fights did you survive so far? I mean, all your opponents are dead, aren't they?
How is this "Insightful"? This is just the old "excluded middle" fallacy---falsely claiming that nothing other than to-the-death fights are useful for training or evaluating martial arts, so all modern martial arts must be equally lacking in that regard.
This, of course, is nonsense. Fighting is extremely useful for evaluating one's own abilities as well as the usefulness of particular techniques. Certainly, the closer the fighting is to "real" fighting the better, but it's obvious to anyone who gives it a moment's thought that few-rules fights (like most mixed martial arts competitions) will be much more valuable than pure sport-fighting (like most karate and tae kwon do schools do) which in turn will be much more valuable than the kind of scripted dance that aikido does.
It's just like fighter pilots and on-the-ground cockpit simulations---they're not as good as the real thing, but they're a whole lot better than nothing.
> your "fighting" abilities just a few weeks before you die
Really?
"According to his wife Linda, he had no wish to live to a ripe old age because he could not stand the idea of losing the physical abilities he had strived so hard to achieve." (among others)
When a person ages, they get slower---both muscularly and nerve responses---they get less flexible, they get weaker, they get less coordinated, and in general they become less and less able to fight effectively. Even the fiercely loyal BJJ guys insist their father is the best ever, not the best currently---80 years of martial arts training is, sadly, no match for 90 years of aging.
From your posts, you sound like a very stereotypical "physical conditioning doesn't matter, only technique matters!!" martial artist---emphasis on the "art" part. While it's true that skill and technique can overcome deficits in size, strength, and physical ability, pretending that those latter qualities don't matter at all is simply self-delusion.
Is that an upper-case "5" at the start of that sentence?
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I've had some (but not too much) martial arts training. It's been somewhat mixed, with striking, grappling, ground fighting, and some weapons training.
Size is a very picky issue. In general, size will give one an advantage, but it won't always determine the outcome of a fight.
I agree with a lot of the sentiment here, that most opponents aren't doing a terribly good job of resisting and thus provide very limited training. That's sport karate; it's all about the motions and looking good.
But if you find a good school who teaches street karate, you'll learn that size isn't quite so vital. Sure, size helps being able to take a hit, and it helps being able to dish out. But everyone (EVERYONE) has weaknesses. If a big guy happens to miss a little woman's weaknesses, and the little woman happens to hit him in his, she will prevail. People can be surprised, the human body has weak points (solar plexus, eyes, ears, armpits, underneath the chin, etc). If you know how to hit, and where to hit, size doesn't matter nearly as much.
You'll notice something common about all these stories of old people or women who "toss big guys around." The guy who gets tossed is always surprised. If you catch big people off guard you can drop them easily. But it helps a whoooole lot more if you're bigger than them.
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No, the application of weight/muscle mass/brute force is a relatively small part of a real experts fighting ability. I have some experience in Judo, and excess weight can be a serious disadvantage in that field. I don't know if you saw that video going around lately about the small Japanese woman in the elevator and the bag snatcher, but I noticed a lot of comments about it at the time, a great many of which were "fake" and "setup".
Not at all. If you look closely at her move, she gets under his centre of gravity and rolls him over her shoulder, much like he was falling off a barstool, and with approximately the same application of force. However, once he has started falling, she pushes him a bit faster, and slams him on his back. Now in Judo, you are taught a variety of breaks, that is when you hit the floor, you slam your hands to the floor just before you hit. This spreads the damage and makes sure you take a great deal less punishment from a move like this. The guy in the elevator doesn't break, and probably had his spine broken. Leverage means a lot more than weight. Judo has a lot of moves like that, which put the advantage on the smaller person, since they can get under the centre of gravity far more easily. Once there, its just a question of rolling the target one way or the other, and powering it a little bit. The weight of the body does its own damage.
You should look up that video if you get a chance, and remember, someone can take a few slaps or kicks fairly easily, but any form of throw is going to incapacitate the target semi permanently. No magic, no David Copperfield, just physics. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it less real.
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Sorry, my bad, I read too much into your comment. You're right, as written it doesn't say to hold your breath.
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The Takamatsu den is not KORYU, so the lineage of ninjutsu school can't be proven for Togakure school . Hatsumi and Takamatsu invent all the scrolls .. no other Budo master in japan believe in Takamatsu story and Hatsumi claim. Make research and you will not see the name of Takamatsu in chinese or japanese archives about death match or something like that .. they make those $ story to increase the popularity of the style they created.
Yeah, the holstered gun vs the ready knife at 10 yards is probably very bad for the gunman. However, the holstered knife and unholstered gun at even 10 feet swaps the advantage the other way. So is the lesson that guns suck at close quarters, or is it that having your weapon ready at close quarters is important?
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The people who call them campers are just sore... why don't they try doing it themselves? The sniper is ridiculously underpowered in UT2004. I dunno... I just liked the spammy version more. :(
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