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Researcher Jailed for Falsifying Research

Caldeso writes "For the first time in U.S. history, a researcher has received jail time for falsifying research data to obtain federal grants. Eric Poehlman pled guilty to defrauding the government to the tune of nearly 3 million dollars by changing and making up research and was sentenced to a year in a federal prison work camp and a lifetime ban on further federal grants."

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  1. Now for the real issue by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this apply to the CIA falsifying intelligence to secure a slice of the defence budget?

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    1. Re:Now for the real issue by azav · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Or GWB and Crew for the same to con us into entering Iraq and relying on same for months after it's been disproven and made public?

      Troll me if you want but it's been published. Also, there is large amount of exposure to "plausible deniability".

      Sigh.

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    2. Re:Now for the real issue by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course not! The President is above the law. Remember, the Constituion is "just a goddamned piece of paper". Say "national security" and "terrorists" and we'll gladly approve anything.

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    3. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Troll me if you want but it's been published.

      Yeah, you should worry about being modded troll, because Slashdot is so well-known for its pro Bush attitudes.

    4. Re:Now for the real issue by Gramie2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you referring to the recently-publicized caches that date back to the Iran-Iraq war (back when Saddam Hussein was a valuable ally of the U.S.)? The ones that have decayed and lost their potency so much that the U.S. WMD inspector said we have more dangerous chemicals in our houses?

      Or are these some other weapons?

    5. Re:Now for the real issue by LegendLength · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Troll me if you want but it's been published.

      Here you go. Pre-war link but I'm sure I'll still manage to score a few troll points.

    6. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Keep focused on the topic, instead of ranting about the CIA, the NSA, Bush, Enron and the Church. A scientist lied and falsified research, and is punished.

      Guess your vaunted "science" ain't at all what it's cracked up to be, huh? You'll have to find something else to worship. Sorry, kids.

    7. Re:Now for the real issue by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I don't see him providing more convincing evidence, either.

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    8. Re:Now for the real issue by Das+Modell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, one scientist falsifying research immediately indicates that science is useless. I mean, we have computers, satellites and antibiotics and so on, but it has all been rendered worthless by one man.

    9. Re:Now for the real issue by WillfulParrot · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Going for the troll points here =-)

      Well I was thinking of the half KG of radioactive material that was found at one of Iraqi universities.

      Or the airplanes and converted missles that were found, but he and the UN said that he didn't have.

      Or the last few pages of the Wilson report that stated that while that regime might not currently have the capacity for nuclear weapons, that they were actively seeking it.

      And wow, how quickly some of us have forgotten that information, but I guess since the media didn't feed it to you it didn't happen, right?

      Oh yeah, if we're going to kvetch about the poor intelligence, can we kvetch about how Billary decided to slash their budgets during his admin and restricted their capacity?

      But that's okay, because we have so brave people in those agencies who are all too willing to violate their oaths and several laws so that they can chat with the newspapers regarding whatever items they might not totally agree with. You can complain about the biased system used to report whistleblower concerns, however my question is this: if they're willing to do all that just to make public some stuff and embarass the administration, how many are willing to give that information to "level the playing field" with other countries?

      And yeah maybe some of his chemical weapon supply did drop off in potency, but they were still there and the UN didn't find them. Wonder what else they'll find in time.

      neener, neener

    10. Re:Now for the real issue by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Guess your vaunted "science" ain't at all what it's cracked up to be, huh? You'll have to find something else to worship. Sorry, kids.

      Oh my, you're so right! I guess I should worship that great big lovable God guy, who has the power to do and see anything, but still lets hundreds of thousands of people die horrible deaths in earthquakes, tsuanmis, genocides and even creates terrorists to fly planes into buildings!

      Yeah, he's really got his finger on the pulse.

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    11. Re:Now for the real issue by BigFootApe · · Score: 1

      Or the SDIO rigging missile defence testing?

    12. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes rigging a test result of a military application is not done for budget purposes but for intelligence purposes. Direct the enemy to either bankrupt themselves trying to defeat a system that doesn't work, or have them concentrate on a different area for an attack.

      I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn, but I am the lead engineer for a large defense contractor at a weapons research facility.

    13. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a politican lying to get elected?

      What I wouldn't give for a Canada day French Revolution style... /me knitting away...

    14. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Does this apply to the CIA falsifying intelligence to secure a slice of the defence budget?

      Sure, but first you have to prove it.

      And no, linking to sites which claim that the moon landing was faked and that the US bombed Jupiter with anti-matter weapons doesn't count as "proof".

    15. Re:Now for the real issue by jscheelmtsu · · Score: 0

      Actually, he has enough power to give us the freedom of choice. When Adam and Eve used that freedom to bring sin into the world, death, hate, war, etc. came about. God did not introduce sin into the world, the great deceiver Satan did. These horrible things that you listed are Satan's influence. It's just like when someone dies and the person presiding over the funeral says, "God decided it was time for him/her to come to Heaven". That is a terribly false statement, because death is a direct result of Satan. Of course, on the other hand, I disagree that this one example shows that all science is false. This is one occurance of a bad egg, not a pattern of bad eggs.

    16. Re:Now for the real issue by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      Does this apply to the CIA falsifying intelligence to secure a slice of the defence budget?

      It wasn't the CIA. Cheney and Rumsfeld created an "intelligence" office in the pentagon to produce the answers they wanted to hear.

      The CIA intelligence seems to have been fairly good, with it only being dismissed/corrupted when it got to the highest levels.

      Cheney wanted information that linked Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein

      But they weren't getting that information from the CIA. And so he put pressure, I think, on Rumsfeld and on the Pentagon to come up with their own estimates.

      Inside the Pentagon bureaucracy, Rumsfeld could easily and quietly grow a nearly invisible operation.

      They needed an office that would produce the intelligence that the CIA wouldn't produce. Rumsfeld said, "I can solve your problem," and he put Douglas Feith on that issue.

      So they're going to do their own analysis. They're going to show what the CIA's been missing all along about the true relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda.

      They needed people with experience in the world of intelligence, but they hired politically connected policy analysts.

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/e tc/script.html


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    17. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.... hurricanes.... are from Satan?

      You're hilarious man. You're killing me here... ;-)

    18. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who created Satan?
      Doesn't the Bible say something about being responsible for ones actions?

    19. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Caldeso, for not referring to this person as a scientist. Very astute.

    20. Re:Now for the real issue by m874t232 · · Score: 1

      The pope claims infallibility, but scientists generally don't. What scientists claim is rational procedures by which false data or hypotheses will eventually be detected and eliminated. And, unlike prayer, hallucination, or talking bushes, the rational procedures scientists use actually do work sooner or later.

    21. Re:Now for the real issue by m874t232 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The administration claimed that there was incontrovertible evidence of WMDs in Iraq, yet they didn't find any. So, it's clear that someone in the administration was either deeply incompetent or deliberately lying; either possibility is a liability for the administration.

      In any case, the burden of proof is not on the critics of the CIA, it's on the CIA and the administration; they have to prove to the public that they spent public money wisely and justifiably. We all can listen to their case and decide every four years at the ballot box whether to believe them.

    22. Re:Now for the real issue by evilviper · · Score: 1

      This is anything but a troll. It's entirely factually accurate.

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    23. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see. Your snide comment only proves you are not a true Patriot! In fact, I'll bet that you hate us because of our Freedom! This is George W. Bush's America, pal! Either love it or leave it! (ok...i admit that my tongue is firmly lodged in my cheek).

    24. Re:Now for the real issue by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification. I was aware of this, but in my haste to make first comment (it was my first time ever) I didn't think it through very carefully, I just said something that satisfied the bare minimum to avoid being modded troll hehe.

      Regards!

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    25. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You really believe those fairy tales or are you trolling?

    26. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      There WAS damn good evidence of WMD's in Iraq. US intelligence sources weren't the only ones saying it - MANY other nations beleived the same thing. And justifiably so. We know for a fact that Saddam DID posses chemical and biological agents, and there was plenty of evidence indicating that he never destroyed them. Whereas there was absolutely zero evidence, other than his own word, that he HAD destroyed them.

      In any case, the burden of proof is not on the critics of the CIA, it's on the CIA and the administration; they have to prove to the public that they spent public money wisely and justifiably.

      They "have to" do no such thing. They've got much more important things to do than try and address every complaint or conspiracy out there. You remind me of the idiots who insist that it's not "our responsibility" to prove that 9/11 was a coverup, but that it's the government's job to prove otherwise. In other words, "prove that you're innocent", and not even just innocent of one accusation, but innocent of anything that CT'ers can think of. Prove you didn't fake the moon landing. Prove that Pearl Harbour really happened. Prove that there isn't a Zionist cabal controling the world. That sort of nonsense. It's truly mind-boggling.

      You want your complaints to be taken seriously? Come up with a logical accusation backed up by witness statements and evidence. Prove that the government knew that their intelligence sources were fake. THEN we'll see about prosecuting those responsible. But as long as all you can come up with is "Bush lied, people died", nobody's going to take you seriously.

    27. Re:Now for the real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There WAS damn good evidence of WMD's in Iraq. US intelligence sources weren't the only ones saying it

      That's bullshit. Many US intelligence sources themselves said that there were no significant WMD capabilities left. Furthermore, that's pretty much what the UN inspectors had concluded. And Saddam was actually the one creating the impression that there were still WMDs, so that he wouldn't look completely powerless to his neighbors.

      They "have to" do no such thing.

      I was making a point that the administration is responsible to the public in a democracy. I don't have to prove anything in court or to you; we settle lies and deceit by the administration is usually at the ballot box. You're such a complete idiot that even that simple point went over your head.

    28. Re:Now for the real issue by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 1

      Actually, he has enough power to give us the freedom of choice.

      Freedom of choice? Where does someone who dies in a hurricane get a choice to avoid it?

      If I saw a person about to step out in front of a bus, I'd pull them out of the way. If there's an omniscient, omnipotent god who doesn't do the same thing, then it's clearly malevolent. Don't give me that "freedom of choice" religious bullshit as an excuse why no-one's seen or heard from your 'god' for over 2000 years. Either your god doesn't exist or he's not a particularly nice guy. I'm laying my bets with the first of the two.

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    29. Re:Now for the real issue by jscheelmtsu · · Score: 0

      What you are looking for is a God who constantly controls everything, like a micro-manager at work. Have you ever worked under a micro-manager? Did you like it? This is where free will benefits us. We, as humans have free will and thought to do with as we please. Unfortunately, with the fall of Adam (who exercised his free will to the point of disobeying God) we have become a fallen race. Death, disease, pain, suffering... all of this is a result of Adam's fall from grace. When you say, "Why does God let hurricanes kill people", you are putting your self in a divine position of questioning God, someone whom you cannot even fully comprehend. Thankfully, God gives us the answers to these questions through His Word, what we know as the Bible. We are told the story of Adam, and how sin entered the world, bringing with it pain and suffering. Then, we are told that this pain and suffering can make us stronger, if we just keep our faith in God. I suggest reading Genesis, Job, and Romans to further see this point. If you study the Bible closely, you will see that God never promises and easy life. Look at Job, John, Paul, or even Jesus. An easy, hurt-free life is a fairytale concocted by the mind of man in an effort to return to the grace man had before the fall. To say that God doesn't exist because He doesn't fit my view of what God should be is the same as saying that George Clooney isn't real because he doesn't act the way I think he should act. Or, it's the same as saying Paris doesn't exists because its streets don't follow the grid layout that I think is most efficient. Just because God doesn't do it our way does not mean he doesn't exist. Finally, to say God doesn't exist because we haven't heard from Him in 2000 years is just as fallible an argument as is the previous. I have not heard from my grandmother in almost a year, but I still know that she exists. There is still evidence that she is alive and well. This is the same for God. In fact, if you read the end of Revelations, you will see that we have not "heard" from God because the Bible as we know it contains everything we need to fulfill our purpose in life. If you would like to study this more thoroughly, I would love to speak with you about this some more. It seems to me that some research into the evidences of God's existence would be great for both of us. Just let me know.

    30. Re:Now for the real issue by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      Sorry but your horribly wrong.

      UN inspectors = Could not find WMD that were not already accounted for and not deactivated. Demanded more time to inspect.

      As for the intelligence community most of them said that there no weapons of mass Destruction in Iraq, including the CIA who gave bush a report detailing it.

      There is a very good free documentry called "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About The Iraq War". Contains a whole range of famous and professionals in the area who detail that Bush was full of crap in regards to WMD (and absolutly no micheal moore in it thank god).

      You can watch it here. Everything mentioned in it you can research for yourself.

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article64 23.htm

    31. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1
      "UN inspectors = Could not find WMD that were not already accounted for and not deactivated. Demanded more time to inspect."

      What version of history have YOU been reading? From UN resolution 1441:

      "Recognizing the threat Iraq's non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security"
      Sure sounds to me like they thought Iraq had WMD's.

      As for the intelligence community most of them said that there no weapons of mass Destruction in Iraq, including the CIA who gave bush a report detailing it.

      Really.

      CIA report, October 2002:

      Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.


      How about comments from foreign officials? France:

      "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
      Yep, deffinitely, you're right, nobody thought Saddam had WMD's. How could I have been so silly.

      If you have any evidence at all to back your assertions, please, feel free to post it.
    32. Re:Now for the real issue by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      > Sure sounds to me like they thought Iraq had WMD's.

      You do know that UN resolution was written by USA and England. You also know that the US couldn't get the resolution through until they removed the part that detailed they could go to war if the resolution failed.

      > If you have any evidence at all to back your assertions, please, feel free to post it.

      I guess you didn't even watch the documentry? How about you watch that and refute what actual EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD said at that time.

      k.thx.bye.

    33. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      "k.thx.bye."

      Well, how could I ever hope to refute that argument. You've deffinitely convinced me!

      I'm not going to watch your documentary because I can't access it through the firewall. And your comment on the UN resolution is both wrong and irrelevant to what we're discussing. Wrong in that it most certainly was not "written by USA and England", and irrelevant in that we weren't discussing the wording concerning going to war. The only important bit to the topic at hand is that resolution 1441 clearly shows that the UN was of the beleif that Iraq still had biological and chemical weapons.

      Like I said, if you have any relevant info which backs up your statements, please feel free to link to it. Preferably not in video format. For instance if you're going to state that the CIA told Pres. Bush that Saddam had no WMD's, it might be nice to actually link to a CIA document which actualy confirms that claim. It helps to actualy show the source document instead of someones videotaped interpretation of that document.

    34. Re:Now for the real issue by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      >You've deffinitely convinced me!

      I doubt anyone could convince you to be honest, but I'd prefer people actually saw the facts then actually believed some of the stuff you were spouting.

      >Like I said, if you have any relevant info which backs up
      > your statements, please feel free to link to it.
      > Preferably not in video format.

      I have already posted a link to an hour long documentry which has a large number of famous people in various government/Military departments of various countries that were directly related with dealing with Iraq and details documents that you so much crave.

      Just because your unable to actually watch it is not my problem. I suggest you get a better machine or rent the documentry.

      > important bit to the topic at hand is that resolution 1441 clearly
      > shows that the UN was of the beleif that Iraq still had biological and chemical weapons.

      and what you fail to point out that is that this was prior to weapons inspectors going in, who guess what didn't find anything.

      Heck even Saddam ratified the treaty during that time.

    35. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      "I suggest you get a better machine or rent the documentry."

      I said the FIREWALL won't let me access it numbnuts. F-I-R-E-W-A-L-L. That's got nothing to do with my computer. Jeeze. Figure on a techie site you'd have people who actualy know something about computers.

      and what you fail to point out that is that this was prior to weapons inspectors going in, who guess what didn't find anything.

      The resolution was ratified in November of 2002. What the hell is wrong with you? Inspectors had been in and out of Iraq since the early 90's. So you lie about the order of events, and then accuse me of not seing the facts? Christ man, give your head a shake.

      Also, the fact that the director of your "documentary" seems to make his living creating anti-US-government propaganda pieces doesn't speak well for the impartiality of your claim. Perhaps if the same video were made by, say, National Geographic, I'd be tempted to watch it. As it is, I get the feeling it would have about the same educational value as a film by Michael Moore or Dylan Avery.

      Now, I've provided you with solid evidence which directly contradicts your statements. I've linked to original documents published by both the CIA and the UN. Also, I've given you a direct quote by the president of France. All you've done is make false (and unsupported) claims about UN resolution 1441, and link to a propaganda film. Unless your next post contains some ground breaking new evidence, don't expect another response from me.

    36. Re:Now for the real issue by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      > I said the FIREWALL won't let me access it numbnuts.

      Oh right, dismissing it because your incapable of watching it.

      > The resolution was ratified in November of 2002. What the hell is wrong with you?
      > Inspectors had been in and out of Iraq since the early 90's.

      I am not lying about the order of events at all. Inspectors were in after the first gulf war that is true. They destroyed or accounted for pretty much everything that was destroyed.

      After resolution 1441 the inspectors were sent in again, which again Saddam agreed to November 13th 2002.

      Feb 15th 2003 Hans Blix gives a report stating that no WMD have been found and that Powells case to the UN didn't add up with the facts.

      Most of his reports up to March 2003 were much the same. The best they could find were rockets which exceeded the allowed flight distance per the disarmenent treaty (they were destroyed) and a drone.

      No WMD, no biological agents, no chemical agents found that were not already accounted for and destroryed/inert at that point.

      Despite reports that there were no WMD Bush still claimed at his famous "Moment of Truth" Speech. After the war when it was realised there were no WMD he changed it from having WMD to "Plans to build WMD", when they couldn't find that it was "He was a bad man".

      All of Powells proof to the UN in the documentry is debunked. The Yellow Cake claims (which were quickly retracted) was so fake it was laughable.

      >Also, the fact that the director of your "documentary" seems to
      >make his living creating anti-US-government propaganda p

      Ahh I see attack the director rather then refute the claims in the documentry. Because that is so much easier to do. Watch the first 10 minutes and come back let us know which of the numerous people who list thier jobs and qualifications are anti-US-Government (considering a large number worked in the US government).

      Like I said, all you spout is half-truths or something you would get from Fox-News. You can continue to believe them, but keep your ignorance to yourself.

      Feel free to call me names if you want, won't change the fact you are wrong.

    37. Re:Now for the real issue by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      After resolution 1441 the inspectors were sent in again, which again Saddam agreed to November 13th 2002. Feb 15th 2003 Hans Blix gives a report stating that no WMD have been found and that Powells case to the UN didn't add up with the facts.

      Heh. So THAT's what you're talking about. Yep, in 3 months in a country the size of Iraq, a small team of UN inspectors couldn't find any wapons of mass destruction. In other news, it's been 20 years and I still can't find that needle you dropped in the hay-stack.

      Doubtless you're now going to suggest more time should have been given to the UN to send more inspectors, have them stumble around for another 5 years, have them be blocked by Saddam at every turn the way he had in the past, and then have him throw them out of the country again. To that I have only one response:

      Nuts.

      We're done here

    38. Re:Now for the real issue by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      >Heh. So THAT's what you're talking about.
      >Yep, in 3 months in a country the size of Iraq,
      >a small team of UN inspectors couldn't find any
      >wapons of mass destruction.

      Yes its a shame that when Bush and Rumsfeld went on national TV and in front of the UN saying "We know exactly where the WMD are" that they didn't tell the UN inspectors, might of made your claim a bit more plausible and sped things up.

      btw, it was about 5 months. But you haven't let facts get in the way so far.

      >Doubtless you're now going to suggest more time should
      >have been given to the UN to send more inspectors,

      No need to. Hans Blix had said that already in his final report. That the deadline wasn't a real one if they were expected to complete thier job fully.

      Even when this was going on we had Bush claiming that he could launch an attack on the US or neighbouring countries, or linked to AQ. When in fact sanctions had crippled the country and even his forces were no longer strong (and had tried to surrender before hostilities started) and AQ were sworn enemies of Saddam.

      > have them be blocked by Saddam at
      > every turn the way he had in the past,

      Actually the final two reports from Hans Blix said that while they were still investigating Saddam had been complying fully with the investigations.

      > and then have him throw them
      > out of the country again.

      They were thrown out of the country before because of the US and England. The UN inspectors were sent into to do a job. That was to disarm any WMD and audit all weapons. If they had been allowed to do thier job instead of the US and England planting spies into the inspector teams Saddam wouldn't of had an valid excuse to kick them out.

  2. Fair pay... by NewToNix · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "a year in a federal prison work camp and a lifetime ban on further federal grants."

    I think I could tough that out for 3 million...

    1. Re:Fair pay... by freemywrld · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its not 3 million that goes into their own pocket. While a 3 million dollar research budget is a nice chunk of change for a project, its not like it goes into the researcher's personal account or can be used for personal gain. Grant funds are closely watched as to what is charged to them. Illegitimate spending from grant money is another great way to lose funding.
      Besides, after getting caught, any remaining money left in that budget would be confiscated as well. Plus, this probably means the end of his career, especially considering he'll never eligable for future grants. NOT worth it IMHO (especially as someone who has spent time as a researcher).

    2. Re:Fair pay... by typidemon · · Score: 1

      Do you have any understanding on how research grants are issued? It's all used for research releated things. As such, it all essentially goes to your research department and you purchase things your research requires. Things like equipment, research assistants and space. You don't get a big fat check signed "Dr C. Researcher" with a note saying "Go wild Chuck!"

    3. Re:Fair pay... by NewToNix · · Score: 1
      Do you have any understanding on how research grants are issued? It's all used for research releated things. As such, it all essentially goes to your research department and you purchase things your research requires. Things like equipment, research assistants and space. You don't get a big fat check signed "Dr C. Researcher" with a note saying "Go wild Chuck!"

      Do you understand humor for the sake of a chuckle?

      Often You don't get a big fat chuckle signed "Dr. How Funny" with a note saying "Got a wild Chuckle!"

      As your post proves.

      But thanks for reading it, anyway.

      I'll try to find some humor more your level next time, OK?

      Remember this post is humor too, just at your expense, a little.

    4. Re:Fair pay... by lumber_13 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      with a note saying "Go wild Chuck!"
      you meant to say "Go wild fuck!" didn't you?
    5. Re:Fair pay... by 3p1ph4ny · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Grant funds are closely watched as to what is charged to them.

      Oh? At my local university, professors buy pc hardware for use around the office when their grant is about to run out. I know of one instance where nearly $10,000 was spent on laptops... who the hell needs 10 laptops for research, especially three days before the grant expires?

      Now, not to say that all grant money goes to waste (and, this was a $3.2 million grant, so it's not like it was a large percentage), but it could've paid for 1/100,000,000 of the budget for the new stealth bomber or whatever it is. I mean, come on!

    6. Re:Fair pay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does everyone on /. try to be a comedian? You, in particular, suck at it and the only thing comical about your post is that you actually think it warrants a chuckle.

      /I don't speak for the GP but I bet that he would at least agree to that last statement.
      //Just read your last journal entry. Wow; just please stop trying to be funny.

    7. Re:Fair pay... by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to spend all the money you were given.

      If you manage to save some, you won't get as much the next time, and next time you might not be able to save that much.

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    8. Re:Fair pay... by drjzzz · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not the way it should work on US government grants, at least those awarded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The government will ask for the return of money that is not spent as quickly as planned. However, the grant recipient can request an extra 1-2 years to spend the money. This "no cost extension" is usually allowed if the money can be well spent in attaining the aims of the grant.

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      to err is human, to forgive is divine, to forget is... umm...
    9. Re:Fair pay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Do you understand humor for the sake of a chuckle?
      I do, and you post was not worthy of so much as a half-hearted chuckle. Not even remotely funny.
    10. Re:Fair pay... by ken95357 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How else are all those {student|personal|classified|confidental} records supposed to get out in the wild to be used for identity theft? If there's no laptop full of that info to be stolen, you're depriving some nice, dishonest, person of making a living.

    11. Re:Fair pay... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well... if you have few tens of thousands to spend out of a several-million-sized grant just a few days before it runs out, will you return that money or will you spend it on computers & such?

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    12. Re:Fair pay... by pedalman · · Score: 1
      I think I could tough that out for 3 million...
      Lawrence: "Hey, Peter!!"
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    13. Re:Fair pay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let "& such" = hookers.

    14. Re:Fair pay... by AngryDill · · Score: 1

      who the hell needs 10 laptops for research

      I am imagining a 10-node, mobile Beowolf cluster!

      -a.d.-

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    15. Re:Fair pay... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

      That's really unusual. In my experience as a tech and later a grad student (biochemistry-related) it's a fairly standard deal that grant money can't be used for purchase of computer hardware unless it is an extremely specific item. For instance, we had to purchase a PC to run a fluorimeter we bought, and the fluorimeter and the PC were on the same bill purchased from the same company. If your lab needs to purchase new PCs for routine stuff like spreadsheets and word processing, you usually can only get them through discretionary funds. That's why every lab I've worked in the PCs were ancient--the last lab I worked in the best routine-stuff computer was a single, six year old mac clone before upgrading with a pair of 800 MHz celerons, which are now the best but four years old. With only one exception, these labs were all well-funded. Of course, outside of the life sciences I couldn't tell you what people can do with grant money. It is true that you really want to spend the whole grant so you don't get less when it's up for renewal, though.

    16. Re:Fair pay... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      You'd get 'computers hookers' that way...

      Then again, this looks like BASIC code... so why do I bother?

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    17. Re:Fair pay... by cataclyst · · Score: 1

      Obviously you know nothing about grants...

      Not spend grant != Save grant money for future expenses.

      THAT is why things are often purchased near the expiry date of a grant, in order to pad the budget. Um, always completely legitimate expenses too... Who the fuck moderated this guy +5 insightful?
       
      stupid fucking slashdot monkeys.

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  3. Funny thing by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy steals 3 million and gets a work camp. Martha Stewert was in volved in a .25 million insider trading and she gets 6 months.

    But Lay and a number of the very wealthy CEOs who stole BILLIONS will get 6 months to maybe several years at a very easy going federal prison. Amazing. It is all who you know.

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    1. Re:Funny thing by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 1

      This guy stole from the government, u dont f**k with the government.

    2. Re:Funny thing by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      So did enron, qwest, etc.

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    3. Re:Funny thing by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ur right dumbass me forgot about the taxes owed

    4. Re:Funny thing by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1
      But Lay and a number of the very wealthy CEOs who stole BILLIONS will get 6 months to maybe several years at a very easy going federal prison. Amazing. It is all who you know.

      Bernard Ebbers was sentenced to 25 years. Several other "big name" CEOs are in the same position. Ken Lay and his pals where at the helm of one of the biggest business failures ever. What makes you think they will get "6 months to maybe several years"? This Eric Poehlman and Martha Stewart aren't even in the same galaxy.

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    5. Re:Funny thing by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But Lay and a number of the very wealthy CEOs who stole BILLIONS will get 6 months to maybe several years at a very easy going federal prison. Amazing. It is all who you know.

      Seeing as how neither Skilling nor Lay have yet to be sentenced, I'm presuming that you're getting your info from your palantir. What did The Eye tell you about revealing such info to mere mortals, hmmm?

      Either that, or you're completely ignorant and don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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    6. Re:Funny thing by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      If she hadn't talked to the feds at all, she wouldn't even have been charged. That pesky 5th amendment...

    7. Re:Funny thing by atarione · · Score: 1

      ummmm wow... what are you smoking and can i have some??

      cause Lay is pretty much FUCKED

      looking at 20-30yrs

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    8. Re:Funny thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And MS was looking at being broken apart. One nice thing about having friends in high places; You get help when you need it most. I am even guessing that the sentencing will be delayed until after the vote and then it will show up short.

    9. Re:Funny thing by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Informative
      To be fair, if you view the purpose of the justice system to rehabilitate, a guy who mugs a 7-11 is probably a much tougher case for that than Martha Stewart.

      If you view it's purpose to offer proportionate punishment, then they should probably both do about the same time.

      If you view the purpose of the justice system as merely to deter crime, then the punishment divided by the probability of getting caught should be greater than the payoff (the 'equivalence' point).

      Personally, I'm a fan of rehabilitation, proportionate punishment, [i]and[/i] deterrence. In fact, the only reason I can conjur for any leniency at all is the possibility of innocent conviction. I just wanted to point out that the discrepancy in sentencing is not necessarily hyprocristy--it could simply constitute a different view on what the purpose of incarceration is.

    10. Re:Funny thing by PietjeJantje · · Score: 1
      There is no 1:1 relationship between the "damages" and the penalty.

      Among others, you can have two persons performing equal white collar crimes, resulting in wildly different damages.

      There are crimes more evil than other crimes which are more profitable. White collar crime is an example itself, as petty thieves who use or threaten with violence on the streets are punished harder.

    11. Re:Funny thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "If she'd cooperated rather than lied, she would never have served time."

      If she had cooperated, she'd probably had faced even more jail time. Law enforcement isn't necessarily about getting to the truth, but to make a case against you, which makes anything you say "make be construed against you." That quote that goes something like give me six lines from anyone, and I'll find a reason to hang 'em.

      Most things come down to whether the law enforcement person "like you" or not, not the claims you make or are made against you.

      I once "cooperated" and told the truth on a serious matter, which was total BS in the first place, only to be find myself facing another charge that came out of nowhere (which was also BS--I said I drove quickly into the driveway, which became sped into the driveway, which become a public disturbance from spinning my tires (which didn't happen) which no one complained about or even heard). Thus faced a $300 fine for a summary offense or go up against the magistrate who could have put me in jail for 2 months.

      Anyways, if Martha Stewart (like her stuff, 3 star towels rule, but hate her personality and shows) had just kept quiet and hadn't spoken to the federal agent, what she did go to jail for wouldn't have been an issue. (And even that guilty finding people correctly question.)

      In short, meet federal agent or police, be polite, do not confront, give your name if asked, then keep quiet and ask for a lawyer or if you are free to go.

    12. Re:Funny thing by Courageous · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm a fan of rehabilitation, proportionate punishment, [i]and[/i] deterrence. In fact, the only reason I can conjur for any leniency at all is the possibility of innocent conviction. I just wanted to point out that the discrepancy in sentencing is not necessarily hyprocristy--it could simply constitute a different view on what the purpose of incarceration is.
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      I'm more like this: rehabilitation vs deterrance. And my view of "rehabilitation" is very narrow. It's aligned with actual facts: some set of first time offenders will be so terrified of their first prison stay, they won't do it again. However, if they do it again, that will never be true. Statistically, they'll be criminals most of their life. Ergo, I favor a simple two strikes rule, with the second strike removing them from society PERMANENTLY. I.e., life in prison.

      California (where I live) has a three strikes rule. They screw it up, though: they elevate later misdemeanors, no matter how small, to "felonies" and call them second strikes. This seems a bit extreme to me. Repeat misdemeanor offenders might be committing lots of felonies and not being caught, or might not. Hard to say.

      C//

    13. Re:Funny thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Catch 22, in other words. If you are innocent, then you have a moral right to "refuse to cooperate". The accuser takes responsibility, not the innocent victim, for the false accusation. Of course, this is assuming a moral and just system of law that respects each individual's god-given right to freedom.

    14. Re:Funny thing by AtomicBomb · · Score: 1

      In most of these research result fabrication cases, the grant money were wasted to further extend the empire of the greedy professor (hiring more postdocs, buying more equipment etc). The big and never satisified ego of some of the professors at the end drive them to do stupid things...

    15. Re:Funny thing by rtechie · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how neither Skilling nor Lay have yet to be sentenced, I'm presuming that you're getting your info from your palantir. What did The Eye tell you about revealing such info to mere mortals, hmmm?

      Or you have a basic inability to read English. He said: "will get". He was predicting that billion-thief CEOs WILL GET 6 months based on past experience that this is what these guys typically get (they might get a sentance of several years, but suspended). So based on those past realities it's quite likely that MOST of those involved in the recent scandals will get little jail time. Lay is high-profile, insisted on his innocence, and spent something like $17 million on his defense forcing the gov't to spend a similar amount (I'm told much more) to convict him. Lay is likely to get about 15 years in federal prison, which is almost a slap on the wrist given the extent of this crimes. Most other Enron officials were either aquitted, plead to extremely minor offences with little jail or penalty, or simply were not charged.

      No effort has been made by the feds to recover ANY of the money Enron swindled out of people. So even if Ken Lay (an old man) gets enough time to die in prison (this simply will not happen), his heirs will inherit very penny of the money he stole. This is why he fought, for those not paying attention. All the deals he was offer involved giving some of the money back.

      Why didn't they invoke RICO? This was obviously racketeering. They'll invoke it for petty drug cases but not the biggest corprate crime in the history of America? They didn't, because it would set a precedent that would scare the shit out of corporate America. "Engage in wrongdoing and we'll take all your money".

  4. Only a year? by JPriest · · Score: 0, Redundant

    For 3 million I would spend a year in prison.

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    1. Re:Only a year? by dvice_null · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You wouldn't last there a day.

    2. Re:Only a year? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Some of the people I know who have been in and out of jail are some of the same losers I used to beat up in high school.


      Maybe if you hadn't beaten them up in high school, they wouldn't have the self-esteem problems they have now and *would* be able to hold down a job and beat substance dependancy.

    3. Re:Only a year? by dvice_null · · Score: 0

      > Really, and just how would you know? It was a joke.

  5. libelous summary by macklin01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The slashdot summary is not only inaccurate, but libelous. By the article, he pleaded guilty to one $542,000 grant. So, he's only been found legally accountable for that amount, not the $2.9 million claimed by the prosecution:

    In an agreement with prosecutors, he pleaded guilty in connection with one $542,000 grant; the government said he defrauded federal agencies out of $2.9 million.

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    1. Re:libelous summary by qbwiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IANAL, but I suspect that the intent of giving that number was not malicious.

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    2. Re:libelous summary by macklin01 · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but I suspect that the intent of giving that number was not malicious.

      That's a really good point! (IANAL also.) But it's definitely worthwhile being careful in print ... Thanks again for bringing up a really good point. -- Paul

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    3. Re:libelous summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's a really good point! (IANAL also.)

      I'm not anal either, but you should always take slashdot summaries with a grain of salt.

    4. Re:libelous summary by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Especially those by Zonk. Man, I swear that guy's trying to bring Slashdot down to tabloid level. I just hope for him that he knows the art of ass covering tabloids do because they are very careful with their writing to make it appear libelous to a casual reader but not under the eyes of a judge.

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    5. Re:libelous summary by Caldeso · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I'm the one who misread the article and threw in the 3 mill instead of the proper number. This one's not on the editors.

    6. Re:libelous summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      correction: this one's allegedly not on the editors.

  6. But... by saleenS281 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    But did he run Linux?

    I'll be here all night folks!

    1. Re:But... by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      I wish you weren't!

      I'll be here all night also!

  7. Your rights online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone please explain why this is under YRO.

    1. Re:Your rights online? by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no reason. This isn't even really news for nerds, or stuff that matters. In the grand scheme of government grants, this is petty theft.

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    2. Re:Your rights online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yro = generic legal issues. Basically it's yro because you can make some vague connection to this and falsifying stuff over the internet being punishable by law in some hideous future.

  8. I don't get it... by CherniyVolk · · Score: 5, Insightful


    OK, let me get this straight.

    Defraud the government, with devious intent, for a tune of 3 million USD and receive a 1 year sentence in a work camp.

    Copy a movie and get fined up to 250,000 dollars and face upto a 10 year sentence? After, getting beaten up by people who dress like cops but aren't, in public?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Can you please tell me someone who's been sentenced to ten years for copying a film?

    2. Re:I don't get it... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      From www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

      Section 1204 of DMCA has:

      First offense: up to $500,000 or five years imprisonment

      Second and subsequent offenses: up to $1,000,000 or ten years

      From what I can gather, this applies to commercial copying. Also, non-profit libraries, archives, and educational institutions are not subject to criminal sanctions.

    3. Re:I don't get it... by Stellian · · Score: 1
      Can you please tell me someone who's been sentenced to ten years for copying a film?

      The key to a successful police state is not to jail the entire population. This would be expensive and inefficient.
      You must be able to use discretionary enforcement and create the criminals as needed, thus keeping everyone in a state of constant fear.
  9. I agree by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    But do you think that W. and his admin will really jail people like Michaels and his buddies at the oil companies? I do not think so.

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  10. Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by geerbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An essay regarding the mentioned topic, and I thought it might be interesting to a few people. The are many non-technical paragraphs that draw to the author's conclusions, and those should be readable by all.

    http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv?request= get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

    Summary:

    There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field.

    In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance. Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

    1. Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by nucal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Ioannidis article you cite has more to do with overinterpretation of statistical power in data analysis than outright falsification of data as in the Poehlman case. In particular, Ioannidis is actually critical of overinterpretation of results obtained from sample sizes that are too small or experimental designs that have too many degrees of freedom. In fact, the title of his study is an overinterpretation of the conclusions in the paper itself - which I'm sure he did on purpose to incite debate on the topic.

      This is well summarized in this response to the article, which has the added bonus of quoting "Mudd's Women" to support the argument.

    2. Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 1

      I remember reading article by an MD researcher where he talked about all of the BS in the research world whether it be scientific and humanities. Basically, he made the point that when you get an MD and learn to research or when you get a PhD, part of what you learn is how to sift through the BS. He went on to say that many times, he will read a paper and know that the study is BS or that the power is too low to make any conclusions, but the points the paper makes may hold water and are worth exploring further. Being that I have worked in medical research, I can attest to situations in which a study was BS, but the ideas of the study were good and ended up being implemented in future research.

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    3. Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      A simple example:

      If you conduct 20 studies of a statistical relationship that each accept significance at the 5% level, then the probability is excellent (64%, actually) that at least one of them will show a positive result completely by chance.

      Since positive results tend to get published and negative results do not, too many studies of a hypothesis will likely show it to be true, completely spuriously.

  11. why are we surprised by b17bmbr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when you have the gov't throw around billions like candy at halloween, why are we surprised that people will do this kind of stuff? when are we gonna figure out that most scientists are spouting some BS either for corporate or gov't money. yes, some are hard at work, but the real money is in getting others to fund your work. global warming? sure. nope. need money to tell you!! abortion harms women? sure. nope. need money to tell you!! but this is true of almost all the federal gov't does. the gov't spends 2.8 trillion dollars, 95% of which is completely unconstitutional. that in itself is a crime. so when someone tries to skim a few mil for themselves...

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    1. Re:why are we surprised by Somnus · · Score: 3, Informative

      (IANAL)

      It should be noted that the power for the federal government to fund scientific research is granted under the accepted interpretation of the "general welfare" clause of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

      This should be distinguished from pork, which by definition does not provide a "general" benefit.

    2. Re:why are we surprised by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      when you have the gov't throw around billions like candy at halloween, why are we surprised that people will do this kind of stuff?

      There is a great deal of money involved, as you suggest, but these grants are not at all easy to get and involve a lengthy review process. The competition for them is very fierce. Unfortunately, as an academic researcher your career may depend on your ability to win awards that are denied close to 90% of the time on average. Hence the incentive to bend the truth or commit outright fraud is quite strong, not because there is too much money being "thrown around", but rather because the process is so competitive and success rates are so low.

      The conviction and sentence is a good thing because, as the article says, there has to be a strong disincentive to this kind of behavior to prevent it from becoming rampant and compromising the entire scientific enterprise.

  12. When the first by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Politician goes to prison for lying THAT will be a milestone.

    (About politics, apparently personal stuff is grounds for candal)

    1. Re:When the first by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Politician goes to prison for lying THAT will be a milestone.

      Why? That's their job, isn't it?

    2. Re:When the first by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      you're now modded offtopic, but I guess you actually hit the point.

      Why shouldn't the researcher (or anyone else for that matter) lie to get the thing he wants if he sees that it works for any huge (governmental) operation. E.g.: lie about WMDs in some country and get a backup for your own military plans. Pushing through your corporate plan to outsource thousands of jobs (or to ease layoff regulation) because it's good for the economy.

      People get away and get huge rewards for talking bullshit everywhere. I agree that it shouldn't happen, but then why these double standards? If you want to jail the scientists, then also jail the politicians, CEOs, etc. that just plainly lie for their multimilion dollar goals.

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    3. Re:When the first by Khyber · · Score: 1

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/reynolds. asp Busted for lying AND being a perv of underaged people. Looks like Justice is finally starting to get served - except Clinton practically pardoned this sick fuck.

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  13. Ok out with it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    How many of you hve known about falsification of notes and done nothing about it...

    'Hey, I've got a wife and n kids to feed...

  14. poor guy by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Funny

    Poor guy. Obviously he forgot to credit the Flying Spaghetti Monster for his research findings.

  15. What was he doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Was he working for the feds trying to disprove the existence of global warming? Because I don't think they put you in jail for that.

    1. Re:What was he doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he actually noticed that it rained more in his neighborhood the past two seasons, and thus concluded that we are all going to die from massive hurricanes never before seen, all due to the effects of man on the earth.

  16. Depends what you are falsifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    With our present administration if you were falsifying data to prove creationism you might just get a medal.

  17. Re:At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe some of these so-called "scientists" involved with Global Warming will get a wake-up call!

    Ha! Good game, sir. Mod parent up +5 Zing!

    Unfortunately, on slashdot you typically get modded down to troll for being against global warming, but I agree with you 100%...

  18. Does this mean... by yobjob · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...I should stop making up page numbers in my references?

    1. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


        I swear people actually do this - I've more than once gone to a reference and found the cited paper starting page in the middle of a totally unrelated paper.

          Annoying, that

  19. it was the bibliography that gave him away by misanthrope101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, that's sort of what tipped them off. A recently-appointed federal oversight committee reviewed the bibliography he submitted of primary sources for his research, and found that he had many works cited besides the King James Bible. Knowing that the Bible is the only authentic scientific work published to date, they knew right away that the guy was committing fraud of some sort. It only took a little digging to come up with the details.

  20. But the big question is... by CCFreak2K · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...how many turns is this going to set me back? I don't have the resources to allocate my Military funding to Research, since I'm upgrading my units!

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  21. Maybe I missed it. by Descalzo · · Score: 1

    How did they catch him?

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    1. Re:Maybe I missed it. by nucal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this article, it says that a research assistant, Walter DeNino, discovered that Poehlman was fabricating data. It sounds like Poehlman was pretty aggressive in trying to slander DeNino to save his own skin ...

  22. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  23. oh, it's really embarrassing by KarMax · · Score: 3, Insightful
    At first sight when i read:

    was sentenced to a year in a federal prison work camp and a lifetime ban on further federal grants.
    Think, that the sentence was "soft".
    Then i read the article, and start thinking...

    Poehlman will be permanently barred from getting more federal research grants, and was ordered to write letters of retraction and correction to several scientific journals.
    OK, I don't know him, but imagine the embarrassing situation of send retraction and correction letters to (in some way) HIS community.
    IMO In this kind of "criminal acts" the worst is just leave the guy in society.

    It's the society who really condemn him, think that every scientific guy will know that he is a fraud. Ok, maybe when he goes to the supermarket not everybody knows who is him, but he will be asking himself "Does he recognize me?".

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    1. Re:oh, it's really embarrassing by tomhath · · Score: 1

      "imagine the embarrassing situation of send retraction and correction letters"

      Boohoohoo. I really feel sorry for the guy. Stole all that money, and now he has to live with the fact that he got caught.

      It's like anyone else who's convicted of a felony: Do the crime, do the time.

    2. Re:oh, it's really embarrassing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      OK, I don't know him, but imagine the embarrassing situation of send retraction and correction letters to (in some way) HIS community. IMO In this kind of "criminal acts" the worst is just leave the guy in society.


      I disagree. Break his kneecaps, his elbows, blind him, and disfigure him as an example to others of what not to do. Do the same with all the rest of our criminals, and they wouldn't consider a life of crime as a valid "career" or "sub-culture". "Follow the rules, and you get to keep your knees" is a much better incentive to lead an honest life than "follow the rules, and you won't get several million dollars, at the possible risk of some people making fun of you".


      People live through embarassment, and laugh it off over time. No one gets over being crippled and blinded, *and* embarassed.

  24. Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kills by reporter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The key quote from the article states, " Poehlman, a specialist in exercise physiology, changed and made up research in applications and papers on the effect of menopause on women's metabolism, the impact of aging on older men and women, the impact of hormone replacement therapy on obesity in post-menopausal women, the study of metabolism in Alzheimer's patients and the effect of endurance training on metabolism. "

    Based solely on this quote, we can conclude that faking the results of medical research could potentially kill people. Faking research about a new method for vectorizing signal-processing algorithms might result in a poorly performing compiler for a multiprocessor. Faking research about a medical therapy might result in real people being subjected to a lethal cocktail of drugs.

    The doctor who faked the results of his medical research deserved prison time. For once, justice was served.

  25. String him up! by jandersen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A scientist encroaching on the domain of politicians and business? For shame!!!

  26. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by Firehed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well any fraudulent activity is bad enough, and IMO deserves such a punishment. It seems fair for what was done - enough, but not overkill. The fact that it was medical research that could put others' lives in danger makes it much worse, and it seems that he should have also been charged with some sort of gross negligence or reckless endangerment. If there was no grant involved, then I'd have thought the fraud charges were absured, and likewise the charges that weren't but could have been pressed would be insane in probably any other case. In short, I completely agree.

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  27. Restitution, not prison... by SonicSpike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Non-violent offenders such as this guy should not go to jail. They should be held accountable for their actions through financial restitution.

    "Nearly six out of every ten federal prison inmates are there for non-violent drug-related offenses, it's clear that drug prohibition is the primary source of this over-crowding. It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the early release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts

    We should dramatically reduce the number of these early releases by eliminating their root cause - prison over-crowding.

    Restitution, even if enforced through court action, deters criminals and decreases the necessity of actually going to court. Japan, which has such a system in place, is the only industrialized nation that has seen a consistent decrease in violent crime since World War II. Litigants normally come to a settlement before coming in front of the judge, so very little time is spent in court.

    Why should victims have to pay taxes to feed, clothe, and shelter those who harmed them? Why should criminals get a free ride at the further expense of their victims?

    People have a right to their life, liberty and property. Anyone who takes these away has an obligation to restore them as much as possible. Such restitution will not always be perfect, but the punishment fits the crime much better than today's system does.

    In addition, restitution is a more effective deterrent than prison. During informal surveys, inmates claimed that they much preferred jail time, which they saw as 'time off,' than restitution, which they saw as 'work.

    Restitution through productive work is the most successful rehabilitation known. Even if the victim can't be fully compensated, something is better than the nothing that they receive today. Also, repayment to the victim allows criminals to truly right their wrongs. "

    http://www.theadvocates.org/ruwart/categories_list .php

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    1. Re:Restitution, not prison... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Non-violent offenders such as this guy should not go to jail.

      Right. The Enron guys too.

      They should be held accountable for their actions through financial restitution.

      I'm sure this guy will just pull the $3 million out of his ass, now that he can't work in his main profession any longer. How much does McDonalds pay?

      It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the early release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts

      Baseless biased facts without any context at all. How is a criminal comitting 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries, and 25 auto thefts in the 6 months or so they would otherwise have been in prison? In other words, this is baseless bullshit that makes Fox News look good.

      Japan, which has such a system in place, is the only industrialized nation that has seen a consistent decrease in violent crime since World War II.

      You haven't listed the other countries with similar systems in-place, that HAVEN'T seen such an improvement.

      In any case, this isn't a one-size-fits-all world. The justice system necessarily varies from country to country, and culture to culture.

      Why should criminals get a free ride at the further expense of their victims?

      Jail is PUSHISMENT. It's a free ride in the same way that getting tied to a car bumper and dragged for miles is "a free ride".

      During informal surveys, inmates claimed that they much preferred jail time, which they saw as 'time off,' than restitution, which they saw as 'work.

      "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

      Even if the victim can't be fully compensated, something is better than the nothing that they receive today.

      Victims can start a civil case, and sue for restitiution, entirely seperately from the criminal case. And conviction on a criminal charge just about guarantees the civil case will be successful.

      Having to pay back a minimal ammount of money isn't going to deter people from stealing millions. Quite the opposite, in fact. The rich hardly notice the fine, and the middle-class would get to maintain a nice cushy lifestyle, no worse than having a mortage.
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    2. Re:Restitution, not prison... by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Non-violent offenders such as this guy should not go to jail. They should be held accountable for their actions through financial restitution.

      No. They should be required for a specified time to be physically present for a variety of community help-type efforts and be forced to deal with the people they purported to be serving (i.e., not shareholders). And no taking Limos to/from the forced work zone, they have to integrate with those whose trust they abused. That might make a difference in the long run.

    3. Re:Restitution, not prison... by qwertyatwork · · Score: 1

      ...one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts

      Wow...wow....wow where in the world did you get this number from?

  28. The problem with federally supported science. by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    This guy had to fake data to get grants, which I assume means he had to make his data look like what the grantors expected. So if I do an experiment that shows post-menopausal weight gain is inevitable regardless of diet, exercise, or medication, I can expect to not ever get any more money from the feds, because I bear bad news? That's just hypothetical, btw. afaik older women have a bmi to die for.

    What does being a succesful grant writer entail? Interesting problems or past happy results?

    1. Re:The problem with federally supported science. by lbbros · · Score: 2, Informative
      You have to do quite a bit:
      • First of all, you need to have a solid scientific background on what you want to ask the funding for
      • If you are already working on this field, you have to present your previous results, with published data
      • You have to present a detailed plan of what you want to do, and the rationale for it, and possibly the deadlines for partial results
      • You also have to give reasons for using the money, including salaries and equipment
      Writing a *good* grant is not that easy. I don't live in the US, but I think that similar guidelines apply there.
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    2. Re:The problem with federally supported science. by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This guy had to fake data to get grants, which I assume means he had to make his data look like what the grantors expected.

      Not really (well, except politically charged areas of research like recreational drug use, environment, and the heredity of human intelligence). Other things being equal (researcher's reputation, clinical relevance, novelty) what granting agencies look for are results that tell some kind of self-consistant story, whether it extends the prevailing consensus or overturns it. If it overturns the prevailing consensus, the more persuasive data will be expected, but in both cases the data itself is judged by its coherence.

      So if you write that drug foo makes protein bar get upregulated in liver but downregulated in lungs and stay the same in kidneys in young mice and the difference disappears with age except in the brain, where there now is a difference, and on top of that, the measures of protein bar activity don't always agree with protein bar levels, you have a very messy story that is going to be hard to publish, let alone fund, unless there are other studies published that put it into some kind of interpretable context. It just sounds like you're chasing random noise.

      If you write that drug foo makes protein baz get upregulated in every organ system studied, at several different ages, and several independent tests (mRNA level, protein level, protein activity) are all in perfect agreement, you have yourself a paper in a nice journal and convincing data to back your next grant application.

      The problem is that in real life, almost all data looks like the first protein instead of the second one. So you pretty much have to use your own experience (and sometimes intuition) in figuring out which experiments to repeat or expand on, and which ones really are likely to be random noise.

      So if you're an honest scientist you spend more of your grant money, buy more mice, repeat the experiments using more precise measurements and larger sample sizes. You pore over the literature and come up with elaborate theories that tie these disparate results together. You publish your paper in a lower quality journal. You risk getting passed over for tenure or getting your next grant application rejected.

      If you take the easy way out, you just say "I know what the data is really supposed to be, we just screwed up the experiment, I'll just drop a few data points here, and make up a few over here, and now it all makes sense".

      The scary thing is, if you have good hunches, a lot of the time you'll be right about how the experiment would have turned out if you put $100,000 into repeating it. And most of the rest of the time, it will be years before anybody figures out you were wrong, and they'll probably assume it was an honest mistake rather than fraud. Meanwhile, your career as a scientist is at stake right now. So the temptation can be great.

      To me that's the big frustration about research science-- our equivalent of the write-compile-test cycle takes years.

      How to fix it? Put more money into basic research, so it's less of a rat-race and scientists can spend more of their energy thinking about science instead of about where their next grant is going to come from. Where to get this money? Oh, I dunno, maybe avoid invading Iran and pass a tiny fraction of the savings to research? Decrease health-care costs by loosening the immigration and accreditation requirements for foreign MDs (like has already been done over the years for foreign PhDs) and pass a tiny fraction of the savings to research? Increase the inheritance tax for estates worth more than, say, $5 million and put it into research? Stop blowing money on the drug war, or on moral crusades, or on music/movie/software "piracy", or on imaginary domestic terrorists (who would kill fewer people than get killed by cancer and heart disease even if they staged a 9-11 every frigging year) and (you guessed it) pass a tiny fraction of the savings to research? Oh heck, if you're some ki

  29. And there is another difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He certainly didn't use that money for himself, but for his research. So he didn't steal the money to enrich himself, but just to continue his studies.

  30. Retraction Most Important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Retraction was the Most Important Part.

    Bad research in some fields doesn't just waste time and resources and careers,
    Bad research can kill.

    There are enough honest mistakes and statistical glitches and wishful thinking
    without adding fraud to the mix.

  31. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    Actually I think it was the fraud, rather than faking results, that he got done for. I expect if he'd killed a couple of patients he'd have done time for that too.

  32. Work Camp, Eh? by Mad+Martigan · · Score: 1

    There was a Slate article on hard labor recently. The context was military punishment, but maybe it's relevant? Maybe not. Either way, I think I'll go double check my grant proposals ...

  33. Fraud gets punished, GOOD! by a_greer2005 · · Score: 1

    I go to jail if I claim exotic tax writeoffs or claim 22 children and my goldfish as dependants om my 1040 tax form...why shouldnt they go to jail for claiming to have a "cure for all that ails 'ya"? As a tazpayer I love to see public money abusers thrown in prison...cow if only we could do the same to senators who build bridges to nowhere in Alaska...

  34. Well,at least it's just a federal work camp prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and not a "federal pound me in the ass" one

  35. Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by Caspian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the major arguments of a major subset of the anti-evolution/pro-Creationism school of thought (if it can be called that...) is that there is some sort of tippy-top secret conspiracy among scientists to keep their own cash flow going by producing evidence in favor of evolution. The consensus seems to be that scientists are all a bunch of godless atheists who are interested only in lining their own pockets-- that they lie and cheat and deny the "obvious fact" that an invisible man in the sky created the world 6,000 years ago in order to make money hand over fist.

    I GUARANTEE you that the instant one of the people who maintains one of the many creationist sites out there gets wind of this, this guy will get made into (anecdotal) evidence for the "fact" that all scientists are not to be trusted.

    *bashes head against wall*

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    1. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Luckily for you the situation is not so dire. I know it can seem that way if you are American, but in the rest of the world the anti-evolution crowd is largely ignored and ridiculed.

      It is a peculiarly American "debate", so don't get too worried - the rest of the world is going to just go on with science, and the idiots who get their knowledge from a 2000 year old book of myths really don't have much sway.

    2. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      It's hard to say whether the new testament is mythical; the existence of Christ and the Apostles is a matter of historical record, although Christ being the son of God is a matter of belief rather than evidence. Personally I was taught at my Catholic school that evolution was how God populated the earth, it's a mystery to me why US Christian fundies can't live with that one.

    3. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by yams69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So let's stop being so defensive about attacks on science and start demanding that the fundies prove their own questionable assertions. Along the lines of the Ansari X-Prize, I propose the Slashdot B-Prize, to encourage the proof of the various assertions in the Bible.

      First goal: Build a seaworthy ark of the dimensions cited in Genesis, populate it with two (or seven!) of every species currently on the planet (because the diversity of species can't be proven by evolution over less than six thousand years), crew it with as many people cited in Genesis, keep it afloat and the animals alive for several weeks (this involves disposing of tons of elephant, cow, and horse poop) with only that crew, and continue to feed the animals for several weeks after landing with the stored feed (since edible plant species would have been washed away in the flood). $10 million bucks for the chance to shut us fancy-pants scientists up with a real experiment. Who's with me on this?

    4. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Of course, any single scientist should not be trusted. However, when multiple scientists get the same results using the same methodology, then those results can be considered a bit more trustworthy.

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    5. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by Caspian · · Score: 1

      Uhhh.

      Outside the Bible, only a small SMALL handful (as in "you can count them on one hand") of contemporary sources mention Jesus. And at least some of those are known to be after-the-fact forgeries.

      A public figure with a following like Jesus's would certainly leave more records. Also, the Romans took records of who they crucified... guess who's missing!

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    6. Re:Great, more ammo for the anti-evolution crowd. by Pchelka · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it seems that with science funding being so tight these days, you can't get funding to do a study similar to one that is being done by another researcher or has already been published by someone else. I think the current attitude of a lot of government agencies is that if something has been done, why spend more money to do it again? The results of new studies that no one else has tried before make the evening news and keep the taxpayers happy. No one except for the scientists themselves cares about results published in scientific journals that only confirm the results of earlier studies. Political forces and the media are basically interfering with the scientific process because they demand newsworthy results to justify funding science. Because of this, certain scientific journals will now only accept papers that present earth-shattering, new results that have never been reported before. It's just sad really, how the politics of science funding are preventing scientists from doing good research and verifying that the results of published studies are correct and reproduceable.

  36. Stealing $3mil sounds pretty attractive. by AriaStar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He loses one year of his life in jail to get $3mil, of which he has been ordered to repay absolutely nothing, and will be living the next year without having to pay rent, buy his own food, pay his own utilities, and so on. I lose one year of my life to something like a jail and I earn about 5% of that, and from my own income I have to pay my own rent and my own bills. Gee, defrauding $3mil from the government (really from the taxpayers) is seeming more and more attractive by the minute.*


    *This comment was made in jest. As Bush probably has people spying on everyone every moment of every goddamned day, ready to arrest people for the slightest offense in the name of combatting terrorism, I simply want to say to you, Mr. Dumbass, I mean, Mr. President, is that I don't actually plan to steal $3mil from the taxpayers. I mean, you do that enough.

  37. Mod parent up... by TheNoxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought the same thing at first, that this was a soft sentence for the man in question... however, being barred from any federal grant ever is no laughing matter.

    That, and this kind of disgrace will more or less ruin his career. It doesn't matter whether he spends his life inside a jail cell or on the streets; everything he's ever worked for is gone, permanently. His life's work is now less than shit because he got too greedy... that's a hard pill to swallow. I mean, seriously, what's he going to do now? Teach physics and biology at some tiny shit high school in the stix? Pump gas? Manage a McDonalds? This is a good lesson for the more unscrupulous in the scientific community: engage in lying and scumbaggery, and lose everything you've held dear, ever.

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    1. Re:Mod parent up... by dodobh · · Score: 1

      I mean, seriously, what's he going to do now?

      Become a congressman. Or president.

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  38. Parent comment is not off-topic. by TheNoxx · · Score: 1

    One of the greatest problems with modern society (at least, here in the States) is that we do not hold our politicians or press to the slightest rule of truth. A politician could lie through his teeth and claim that everything colored green and striped caused people to become terrorists, and couldn't be prosecuted. A politician could claim that eating foreign food contributed to the detriment of society. What's wrong with this, with expressing their opinions? They run public offices, god dammit, and should be held to a higher stander; if anything, to the simplest standard where demonstrably false bullshit is illegal to come out of their fucking mouths when speaking on the record and in public, poisoning our society.

    I'm not trying to regulate freedom of speech, so before every devil's advocate up and hops on to comment, that's not what I'm saying. I am saying that people who hold public office should be held to the same standards we hold people to when they are on the witness stand in court: DO NOT FUCKING LIE . That is all.

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    1. Re:Parent comment is not off-topic. by Courageous · · Score: 1

      I view this a bit more broadly. Those who are elected to offices of the public trust carry a special duty to the literal trust of the public. The violate that trust is the undermine the very fundament of our government. Such violations undermine us. I have therefore personally concluded that, amongst other things, all crimes committed in the conduct of an office of the public trust should be punished trebly. This principle of "treble damages" is one at use elsewhere in our legal fabric, often in cases of malice or intent, and so forth, but could be applied in no better place than in crimes involving the trust of the people in our government.

      "DO NOT FUCKING LIE" is the least of the things I would demand out of those people who operate our republic, in offices of the public trust. I demand a whole lot more, and believe that more people should think like me. That we've grown somewhat complacent and accepting about it in some ways... more the shame.

      C//

  39. must be something in the air... by tuxette · · Score: 1
    We have one of those here in Norway as well...

    Massive lawsuits may now be in the offing, from various sources of funding, national and international, that have financed his forged findings for years.


    It will be interesting to see what he ends up getting from the judges...
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  40. excuse me but... by Soothh · · Score: 1

    1 year in a prison camp, for basically stealing 3 million dollars of tax payers money.

    How long do you get for piracy even on a low scale?

    yeah, the system has failed.

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  41. Re:At last! by gvc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe some of these so-called "scientists" involved with Global Warming will get a wake-up call!

    The so-called scientists involved in the the oil-and-gas disinformation campaign are indeed guilty of fraud. Only now are the scientists involved in the Tobacco disinformation campaign starting to be held to account. Let us hope that in this situation the wheels of justice move quicker.

    If you think there is any legitimate question as to the relationship between CO2 and climate change, or as to humankind's contribution to CO2, or as to the acuteness of the problem, please cite reviewed scientific articles.

    If you don't believe in science, say so. But don't dismiss the scientific evidence as "voodoo science" without offering some of what you consider "real science." Testimonials are not science, regardless of who makes them.

    For those who bat about the words "proof" and "theory" I suggest you determine what they mean in a technical context. Americans are perfectly happy to kill their own citizens with a standard of proof known as "beyond reasonable doubt." And to kill the citizens of other countries on mere suspicion. There is no reasonable doubt about the relationships stated above. In terms of the popular legal use of the word proof, the case is proven.

    There is some uncertainty as to how fast the climate change may cascade out of control. Just like when I turn up the volume control on a PA system, I know that I will eventually get horrible screeching feedback but I can't point to the exact position on the dial where it will occur. This does not make feedback "a theory" or "uncertain" at all. In the case of global there is strong evidence that this feedback has started to occur; we just don't know when it will be outright out of control.

  42. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by Metasquares · · Score: 1

    Faking research in other fields can cause problems when people like the ones I'm working with decide to apply that research to medicine. Then we get false results, which can cause people to die indirectly.

    It's all linked. As the article said, a break in the chain can destroy the validity of everyone's results further down.

  43. Re:Now for the real issue (off-topic) by rmckeethen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    OK, I know I'm being stupid for replying to an acknowledged troll, but let's take a moment and see if we can't try and set the record straight about WMDs and Iraq. This is one of those issues that really bugs me, so I feel compelled to reply:

    Well I was thinking of the half KG of radioactive material that was found at one of Iraqi universities.

    It's not uncommon for universities to have supplies of radioactive isotopes on hand for physics or medical research. In fact, many universities in the US and elsewhere run small-scale nuclear reactors for producing a variety of radioactive materials. Unless this Iraqi university you mention had half-a-kilo of weapons-grade U-235 or plutonium, than I think it's a stretch to hold this out as proof of an active nuclear weapons program in Iraq before the most recent war. There are more uses for radioactives than just building bombs.

    Or the airplanes and converted missles that were found, but he and the UN said that he didn't have.

    Say it with me now -- evidence of banned missiles or aircraft that *might be* used to deliver chemical, biological or nuclear munitions offers no concrete proof that Iraq actively sought to develop and produce C-B-N weapons prior to the US invasion in 2003. To date, no compelling evidence has emerged to substantiate the claim that the Iraqis had any recent capacity to manufacture weapons of mass destruction, at least not since the end of Operation Desert Storm in the early 1990s. While a few examples of old chemical munitions have cropped up in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, none of these weapons proved to have more than trace amounts of Serin or mustard gas inside. As far as I am aware, most experts still agree that the handful of artillery shells found to date containing chemical agents were probably leftovers from Iraq's war with Iran during the 1980s. Despite unlimited access to the country and several years to carry out the search, the US still has no smoking gun which proves that Iraq failed to comply with United Nations resolutions banning the manufacture of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

    Or the last few pages of the Wilson report that stated that while that regime might not currently have the capacity for nuclear weapons, that they were actively seeking it.

    I don't think that any reasonable person in the US, or any nation in the international community for that matter, believes that Saddam abandoned his ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction after Iraq's defeat in the Gulf War. The main issue of consequence before the 2003 Iraq invasion was not if Saddam still wanted these weapons, but if he actually *had* them, or had the capacity to manufacture new weapons after 1991, in open defiance of numerous United Nations resolutions. Right now, the overwhelming majority of evidence points to the conclusion that Saddam, perhaps grudgingly and unwillingly, generally complied with the demands of the United Nations. Had anyone really doubted Saddam's intentions, it's unlikely that the United Nations would have spent so much time, money and effort on weapons inspections and monitoring before the 2003 war. Again, it wasn't Saddam's intentions that were up for debate before the US-led invasion, it was his capacity to manufacture and deploy these weapons that the US administration provided as the rationale for war.

    I guess since the media didn't feed it to you it didn't happen, right?

    I'm going to save my response to this statement for the next section.

    ...because we have so brave people in those agencies who are all too willing to violate their oaths and several laws so that they can chat with the newspapers regarding whatev

  44. Everybody's a victim, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And maybe if they weren't stupid and unmotivated they wouldn't be drugged-out slackers who used to get the shit kicked out of them in high school.

    It's your life. Blaming someone else for your failures isn't going to make your life any better. Whether you address your shortcomings or piss away your time on earth casting blame is your decision. No one else.

    "+5 insightful"?!?! Bunch of fucking /tards.

    1. Re:Everybody's a victim, right? by Manchot · · Score: 1

      It's your life. Blaming someone else for your failures isn't going to make your life any better.

      They're not the ones blamings others. We're blaming you. You're the one trying to justify the fact that you beat them up by calling them "losers" and saying that they deserved it. Ironically, you're shifting the blame of your actions from yourself to them. You should listen to your own advice.

  45. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I disagree, to a degree. Don't let anyone off the hook because you presume the results of their falsifications won't have far-reaching consequences. It's a damn rare piece of research that doesn't have some application, somewhere, and there's no way to predict how something will ultimately be used. Using your example, if that defective signal-processing algorithm happened to end up in a jet liner's avionics package the results could be catastrophic. When you get right down to it, medical treatments have to undergo far more rigorous testing procedures than most algorithms do. Like doctors and other medical personnel, software developers have to place their trust in the work of others, whether that be some unsung programmer at Microsoft or a computer scientist who comes up with a cool new algorithm.

    Events of this nature do stress the importance of scientific method, peer-review and replication of results. There will always be bad apples ... given a chance good science (and good scientists!) will weed them out.

    So far as that three mil is concerned, I guess this just goes to show that bureaucrats don't make good watchdogs for scientists. Heck, I could have told them that. But I agree with you otherwise ... the guy's a crook and deserved what he got.

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  46. AHEM, GLOBAL WARMING ANYONE!!! by argoff · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the point,
    now lets talk about all that global warming research funded by the EPA?

    1. Re:AHEM, GLOBAL WARMING ANYONE!!! by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You idiot, nearly every single climate researcher believes that global warming is accelerating at a rate unprecedented in the history of our species. Are you saying that every single one of them is lying? To me the simpler explanation is that politicians and pundits who don't know crap about science and their shills have made up their minds to dismiss global warming as "liberal propoganda" because it might be expensive and all that pleasant to prepare for the now inevitable consequences of global warming.

    2. Re:AHEM, GLOBAL WARMING ANYONE!!! by argoff · · Score: 1, Informative
      You idiot, nearly every single climate researcher believes that global warming is accelerating at a rate unprecedented in the history of our species....

      You are proving that you are the idiot by showing at the very least that you are ignorant about anything else. Like this petition signed by 17000 scientists saying global warming research is a fraud. http://www.sitewave.net/pproject/listbystate.htm. Of course, I'm sure you will find a way to blow that off too, don't let the facts get in the way of your TV science now.....

    3. Re:AHEM, GLOBAL WARMING ANYONE!!! by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Science doesn't run on petitions. It runs on data. I don't care how many MDs and PhDs in unspecified fields sign some idiot petition. How many of them have actually published papers on climatology in peer-reviewed scientific journals?

      Oh, I forgot, every peer-reviewed scientific journal is part of this vast conspiracy to brainwash the public (probably for the same reasons they're conspiring to suppress zero point energy, biogenic petroleum, the evils of fluoridation, and the reverse-engineered UFO the government is hiding). The only remaining outlet for The Real Story is some crackpot website.

      Your approach is identical to that of creationists trotting out random PhDs to vouch for their fraudulent pseudo-science of intelligent design. PhDs in just about every discipline other than biology. It doesn't matter if you bribe every unemployed professor on the planet to shill for you. It won't change reality, only delay acceptance of it. To the detriment of the economy and of our respective nations.

    4. Re:AHEM, GLOBAL WARMING ANYONE!!! by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're going to mod me down as flamebait, you might as well do the same for the parent post instead of giving modding that idiot "insightful".

  47. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by alunduil · · Score: 1

    I'd say he actually got off easy. Under Federal Code every falsified data point (yes, just one point) can get you $65,000.00 fine (might only be $6,500.00 I'm not quite sure), and 10 years in prison. This is because falsifying data to for a federal grant is equivalent to lying directly to the government. Regards, Alunduil

  48. What about the big fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Mann's work, which has been more expensive?

  49. NIH has too much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    As a researcher in another field, I'm appalled at how freely NIH spends its enormous research budget. When I saw the headline I immediately (and correctly) guessed that NIH was the agency that had been duped. I've seen people cross over from my field to anything vaguely "health" related and get grants many times larger, and with little oversight. While not committing fraud, they got quite a bit more money than they really needed. The NIH budget has doubled from $13.7B to $28.7B in the last seven years, and it seems they cannot spend the money fast enough. In comparison, DARPA's budget is $3.3B, and due to much better oversight, I feel they get much more return on their investment.

  50. falsifiability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let this be a warning to all you scientists...

    no more falsification, or else!

  51. Science Crooks must be punished more severely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://robots.stanford.edu/cv.html

    see the more detailed C.V. in which this guy states that he had gained a B.Sc. in Medicine etc. Well the Problem is that German Universities have only awarded B.Sc. since 1999. So he is a liar. Furthermore, there does not exist a B.Sc. in medicine and neither you could have studied medicine at Hildesheim Unviersity in the first place, because there is no medical school.

    And if you check with the German-to-English translation site he should have been honest about the real translation

    http://pda.leo.org/ende?search=vordiplom

    AND THIS LIAR is PROFESSOR at STANFORD

    There is so much scam out there, it is incredible. Law makers really should clamp down on scientific misconduct much harder, like in sports, where atheletes have to take a doping test, scientists and researchers, need to take every year an academic integrity test. There needs to be also a system which awards whistle-blowers more fairly.

  52. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by AtomicBomb · · Score: 1
    Poehlman, a specialist in exercise physiology, changed and made up research in applications and papers on the effect of menopause on women's metabolism,...

    I guess it is more like the soft and fluffy research about the benefit of exercising to various groups of people.
  53. Correction by AriaStar · · Score: 1

    I was overly tired after whacking my head in the pool yesterday. 5% of $1mil, not of $3mil. Not that it matters. Point is he got of so easy that it's a more attractive option to defraud $3mil and get a year than to work a year and make so much less while taking care of my own bills. Oh, you know what I mean!

    1. Re:Correction by jma05 · · Score: 1

      He pleaded guilty to fraud on $542,000 grant. The $2.9 million went to research based on his results, not directly to him. Out of the $542,000 grant, he was ordered to pay $180,000 + lawyer fee. That does not mean, he got to keep $542,000 - $180,000. In a research grant, only a small portion goes directly to the researcher. The rest goes to paying the institution where you work (a HUGE chunk), paying other investigators, funding students, paying for equipment, reimbursing subjects etc.

      1 yr jail time and a fraud conviction may not mean much for petty criminal. But for an ivory tower academic, it pretty much destroys everything. Integrity is a big thing in academia.

  54. Some Technical Research Requires No Reproduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Check out a damning report about the state of research in computer architecture (CA). CA was the sexiest of sexy research topics in computer science during the 1980s. Folks like John Hennessy were able to market their "results" into an alternate career that eventually lead to the presidency of Stanford University.

    The damning report correctly states that most research in computer architecture (unlike research topics in the medical sciences) is almost never reproduced because most researchers in CA do not care about reproduction.

    I daresay that the failure of the Itanium was to due to depending on wild and unreproducible claims by numerous professors seeking to build their academic careers. When reality hit the fan, Itanium collapsed under the weight of the fraudulent results.

    If you doubt the report or if you doubt what I am saying, just select some often cited CA papers and try to find follow-up papers that actually verified the results in the often cited papers. You can try, but you will fail.

  55. Again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Do you know of ONE person who has been sentenced to 5 years for copying a film???

    Anyone?

    1. Re:Again... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I don't know of anyone who has been sentenced, I'm just citing the law.

  56. Re:Fair Punishment 'coz Fake Medical Research Kill by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Or the other way around: You might choose to research something else because he's already researching it, and it turns out his theory was a good one, but all the research has to be redone when the lies are discovered.

    Think of science as carefully searching an area. If someone starts lying about what they found, now you have to go back and search it again. While you can't assume what they said they found was there, you can't assume there's nothing there either. And people might have started to search somewhere else less promising, because they knew someone was already searching in the obvious place.

    Especially with grants. Half the point of writing up a grant is to demonstrate you are researching something unique. While this guy was researching whatever he was researching, they would refused grants to people who wanted to look in the same place, so those people are now looking somewhere else.

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  57. In further news ... by ryanjensen · · Score: 1

    Matthew Lesko unavailable for comment.

  58. lie to the public, go to jail, except when .. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    so....

    (obvious question comes) how come bush and co, who HORRIBLY lied to the american public about real life/death things (the war, wmd, etc) gets to continue to live scott-free?

    his ass should be in jail for the heinous crime of causing an illegal and unnecessary war and lying to the american public. and when CAUGHT in the lie, and is fully exposed, STILL nothing happens to him!

    its hard to justify jailing a researcher for 'just lying' about some research he did when much worse crimes are going on and left totally unpunished.

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  59. Is this prison time like in Office Space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison?

  60. Money Damages not the issue by Timedout · · Score: 1

    Having done small amounts of research myself I know how easy it is to make up things (or make extended guesses) when looking in to theories/hypothosis. However, in this case, the potential damage done (medical research) is massive; people could have died. The issue of wasting money is kind of mute in comparison to damage caused by the information spread by this researcher. Sure, I can understand the first initial reaction of: "That is a lot of money!" But, in reality, this isn't that much money for a research grant. It really is disturbing that someone would falsify medical research in order to secure grant funds. The physist claiming a theory about gravity and proving himself wrong is one thing, the doctor providing medication on a fake basis is another.

  61. Please spare us your carbon hysteria by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    Just because crooks are reviewing crooks doesn't make the European carbon hype any truer. Check out
    the politics and economic interests behind the carbon issue and you will find European capital groups all excited
    about building a Carbon Stock Excahnge where you can trade the "right" to release carbon in the
    atmosphere and with everybody having to buy into this from industry to agriculture.
    Tell you what, I will gleefully ignore all of your peer reviewed papers when Deutsche and Dresdner Bank
    are doing the funding.

    You're right about one thing, though. Corrupt scientists could find their asses in a labor camp.

  62. Giant Scientific Conspiracy by gvc · · Score: 1
    Dismissing the entire world's scientific evidence as the result of a conspiracy is just another way of saying you don't believe in science.

    Apparently you don't believe in logic much, either: I will gleefully ignore all of your peer reviewed papers when Deutsche and Dresdner Bank are doing the funding. This is a strawman fallacy. Can you point to any of the scientific literature funded by these banks? And even if you can, is the conclusion any different if you discount these sources? Can you point to any scientific literature that supports your implication that man's production of CO2 is not responsible for climate change?

    In contrast to debate as to man's impact on climate, there is much legitimate debate as to how to mitigate this impact, as it involves social, economic and politicial issues in addition to scientific ones. There is ample evidence that "doing nothing" is not a solution.

    As I understand it, it wouldn't be technically all that hard to "turn down the volume" enough to avoid runaway climate change -- so long as we did it before the change cascades out of control. Just stopping the burning of forests and a minor change in the vehicles we drive and/or how much we drive would go a long way. I say "just" but of course effecting even a small socio-economic-political change is a large undertaking.

  63. Re:Screaming "Conspiracy!" will get you nowhere by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    I believe in science as a best-effort MODEL to TRY to explain the world we live in to a CERTAIN DEGREE.
    I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination
    and little minds are capable of working with.

    I don't believe in models clearly built to serve socio-economic interests. I don't believe in peer review
    that is funded by the same financiers and pointing out that some science is funded so why don't you comment
    on making CO2-Emissions a tradeable commodity? The Kyoto crowd is not exactly a conspiracy, they are
    acting out their drama in public and the papers are out there for any and all who care to read.

  64. Your hyperbole, not mine by gvc · · Score: 1
    I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination and little minds are capable of working with.

    Are you saying that our imagination is just as good as science at predicting the effect of CO2? Qualifies as dont' believe in science in my book.

    I don't believe in models clearly built to serve socio-economic interests.

    State strawman. Repeat until believed. You dismiss all peer review while providing no evidence that any is so influenced.

    Cast as many aspersions as you like on the Kyoto crowd. Unless they are the most powerful conspiracy that has ever existed -- even more powerful than the Catholic Church in its heydey -- there must surely be scientific venues not under its control that would be prepared to review and publish valid contrary evidence. So where is this evidence?

    1. Re:Your hyperbole, not mine by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      I don't believe in science to the point that it really reflects more of nature than what our puny imagination and little minds are capable of working with. Are you saying that our imagination is just as good as science at predicting the effect of CO2? Qualifies as dont' believe in science in my book.

      It seems to me you're new to the concept. I am saying that the model of nature we we call science is limited by our imagination. It takes a lot of imagination to twist it so I don't believe in science.

      State strawman. Repeat until believed. You dismiss all peer review while providing no evidence that any is so influenced.

      Just because you can find a number of scientist willing to cross-certify does not necessarily mean their theories add extra value to the model.
      Until recently in order to get recognition and funding in physics, one had to operate within the string theory framework which has been
      found to have serious flaws explaining what we perceive as the universe. I'm not saying that peer review has no merit but it also is no
      litmus test whether a given theory will allow us to expand our model. Unwittingly however you have pointed out one of the main problems
      in modern science that really has its root in the fact that humans are involved in the process: "Repeat until believed". No matter how
      sophisticated we consider ourselves, we're gullible creatures and it takes only so much repetition in the various journals, or on "side matters"
      such as funding criteria to create "true believers". As far as influence is concerned, very few scientists within the acclaimed circle of
      mutual peer review in climate research of Kyoto fame work out of their garages with no funding.

      And that leads us back to the conspiracy aspect which you are constantly trying to point out here. I see no conspiracy here but I can see
      the power and economic clout from being able to sell people the very right to fart :-) i.e. releasing carbon into the atmosphere. You have
      still not have had anything to say about the planned trade in carbon emission rights.

  65. You're a hoax, right? by gvc · · Score: 1
    Your sig points to a clever parody of anti-intellectual causes such as the one you espouse. So I am at a loss to pick one of the items below:
    • You are unaware that Landover Baptist Church is a parody
    • You think that your naysaying is somehow different from that of flat-earthers and creationists before you
    • You are in fact Chris "Father Deacon Fred" Harper practicing your wit.
  66. keywords such as "hoax" "conspiracy": LAME by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    Since with your last post you divert the attention away from the subject, does that mean you're stumped and have nothing more to add?
    Maybe I'm giving you a little too much credit here but all I can see is you came up with an excuse to tag this thread with yet another
    keyword.

  67. Argument vs contradiction by gvc · · Score: 1

    See Monty Python's The Argument Sketch .

    Apparently one of us is in the wrong room.

    1. Re:Argument vs contradiction by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      Next time consider that there are many aspects to an issue you're not told about by the mainstream media,
      then you avoid the situation of being fingered as a naive repeater of disinformation packets.

      I would still be interested to hear if you have anything to say about the emission trade but maybe that
      will have to wait until you're up to speed on the subject.