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1.50 Downgrader for 2.50/2.60 PSPs Released

Cyraan writes "PSP owners rejoice! Hot on the heels of the recent exploit discovery & bricking that resulted from early test versions comes a confirmed working downgrader. The method uses a GTA eLoader that will turn any version 2.50/2.60 PSP, with the exception of those with a TA-082 motherboard (how to check without opening/voiding warranty), into a version 1.50 capable of playing all forms of homebrew. One thing that may not be mentioned specifically in the article: it is recommended you NOT use the 32mb Memory Stick that came with the PSP, as the process creates alot of log files that can fill it up, possibly causing a brick."

127 comments

  1. ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by (TK2)Dessimat0r · · Score: 1, Funny

    IT IS "A LOT". This makes me seriously fucking angry.

    1. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    2. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I get the same way over "interger" and "rediculous".

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    3. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "IT IS "A LOT". This makes me seriously fucking angry."

      No girl for YOU!!

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    4. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by zoid.com · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Woah..... Forget your meds this morning? There's alot more in this world to get upset about that using a word that might not be a word.

    5. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "A lot" is a subdivided piece of land.

    6. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "FUCKING" IS NOT AN ADJECTIVE!
      Writing in capitals is fucking stupid.

    7. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      may i add
      "definatly"
      "ur"

      and replacing all (qu)'s with k's in Spanish chat
      damn internet... i swear that before the web, you weren't really forced to read anything except for professional writing and newspapers. with it, you have to put up with writing noobs. Maybe instead of adding graphics, all OS should force spellchecking and nag users over AOL speak usage.

    8. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst one is "tomarrow" or "tommarrow".

    9. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by paranerd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who sez, bro? American ain't no legislatived lingo, ya knows? Irregardless of whats you'se ole biddys thank.

      Gots ta go!

    10. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Ath · · Score: 1

      Don't forget irregardless. Also, when did "ironical" become a word? Same time as "strategery", I guess.

    11. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I have only heard "ironical" used ironically. At least I think so, maybe I am too easily ammused and give people to much credit.

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    12. Re:ALOT IS NOT A FUCKING WORD by Quobobo · · Score: 1

      You have my support. Fuck everyone who contributes to the downfall of my language.

  2. And the quest by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 5, Funny

    to play Nintendo games on Sony hardware continues...

    Join us next month for the release of 2.7 with Loco Roco, and the following month for yet another crack.

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    1. Re:And the quest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the ISO is out and runs just fine on 1.50 using devhook 0.41d.

  3. Amazing... by kinocho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It just amazes me, but I have no idea wich one the most...

    Stupid companies stopping customers to do what they want with legally owned hardware or

    People buying a piece of drm'ed shit that will, by all means, try to prevent it's logical uses and full potential.

    (ok, not exactly drm, but you know what I mean...)

    What, do they thing that we only have rights to the usage of the machine now? Play with it, but don't "play" with it, the new motto...

    (fuck them all)

    1. Re:Amazing... by Aim+Here · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you mean 'not exactly DRM'? What you have is a machine that is allegely yours but won't run binaries that you wish to run, merely those that someone else wishes you to run.

      That IS exactly DRM.

      Otherwise, yes.

    2. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What most people want to do with the system is to make it run illegally downloaded games, most of them meant for other systems and many still being made and sold by their rightsholders. This hacking is also contraproductive since it makes sure there is no real market for a handheld without these restrictions since people just buy a PSP and crack it.

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    3. Re:Amazing... by Jawbreaker4Fs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just buy a gp2x and be done with it.

    4. Re:Amazing... by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't qualify that with "most". MOST of us(ok, I'm not one, I refuse to buy anything by Sony at this stage of the game) actually like playing with hardware and making it do things it wasn't originally designed to do. MAKE magazine is a shining example of this attitude.

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    5. Re:Amazing... by rmadmin · · Score: 1

      I'm selling my ipod to get one of these. A few reasons why:
      1: Cool factor. No one else around here will have one
      2: Its open and runs linux, +1 cool factor
      3: The only thing I do with my ipod is plug my head phone adapter into my stereo in my car.. this will do the same
      4: It will do more than my ipod with less hacking and costs less.

    6. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not quite
      presently there is NO way to run ISO's without kernel access. Its very possible for sony to give the users access to run homebrew and still prevent access to kernel.
      This would prevent piracy (somewhat) and still give their users the ability to run homebrew that would essentially improve on the very device they bought.
      Sony however for obscure reasons see homebrew and iso loading through the same scope and try to limit both equally

      Odd how the very thing they sell the PS3 on (broad aspects of use...) is what they try and prevent on the PSP

    7. Re:Amazing... by rmadmin · · Score: 1

      Oh, and for those too lazy to google: http://www.gp2x.com/
      This isn't the site I originally remember, but its the same device.

    8. Re:Amazing... by Khaed · · Score: 1

      What most people want to do with the system is to make it run illegally downloaded games, most of them meant for other systems and many still being made and sold by their rightsholders.

      Kind of like emulators for PCs. So should Windows try and keep me from running Snes9x?

    9. Re:Amazing... by Flamekebab · · Score: 0

      It's worth considering the cost of memory stick pro duos when thinking about this.

      It'd be cheaper to buy the games than attempt to carry around all the ISOs on memory sticks.
      I personally like ISOs as they allow me to try games before buying them (I also like that they're guaranteed to work perfectly if I buy them). I don't trust demos, after all, if you were marketing a game, would you release some of the best levels as a demo, or just any old levels?

    10. Re:Amazing... by Hast · · Score: 1

      No, that is not DRM. DRM is short for "Digital Rights Management", the "rights" mentioned is "copy right". The point of DRM is to ensure that you can't use material you have bought in ways the copy right owner doesn't want you to.

      Now you could extend DRM to mean "run unauthorized programs" but that's not really the norm. That's what "trusted computing" and all that crap is about.

    11. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the R in DRM can refer to your right to copy.

      This sounds like the owner's Right to USE is being Managed here, in a Digital manner

      "Trusted Computing" is just another phrase.

      We are talking about the same thing here.

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    12. Re:Amazing... by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      So, should we start pushing dev info be released publicly for all major systems?
      I'm sure sony would love to know if people out there would be interested in deving for the PS3...

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    13. Re:Amazing... by zzatz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "...in ways the copy right owner doesn't want you to."

      The right that you're talking about doesn't exist. The copyright (one word) holder has control over publishing copies and public performance, and that's it. Any owner of a legal copy may USE his copy in any other way, with those two exceptions.

      DRM is often attached to material which is also copyrighted, but the 'rights' being managed are rights that don't exist in copyright law.

    14. Re:Amazing... by jrockway · · Score: 0

      No, DRM is short for "Digital Restrictions Management", and that's exactly what the PSP is doing here. It's digital, it's restriting you. DRM.

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    15. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      presently there is NO way to run ISO's without kernel access.

      Yes but few people care about the PSP's meager game offerings, I was talking about throwing all kinds of emulators and hundreds of ROMs on there. Sony doesn't want that since that means people don't buy PSP games and Nintendo even used a patent to fight handheld emulators because they don't want people buying their competitor's system to play illegal copies of their games.

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    16. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      No but Windows wasn't sold at a loss with the plan to make up for it with game license fees so MS doesn't care what you do on it. Sony does care because it prevents their PSP from being profitable. If the PSP was sold at a price that makes a good profit for Sony it would be ~300-400$. But it isn't and that's why it's only slightly more expensive than the much cheaper to build DS.

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    17. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Downloading an ISO will show you the beginning of the game and maybe that's not very representative of the final product. A good demo will be adjusted to make you experience a lot of stuf in a much shorter timeframe than in the full version. Granted that may be considered cheating but for e.g. the Prey demo I'd have appreciated had they showed a bit of the later game's combat and puzzles (obviously removing the story bits to prevent spoilers).

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    18. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall DRM including things like media that expires at a given date to replace rentals with downloads. Of course the latter isn't going to happen as long as DRM remains as breakable as it is.

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    19. Re:Amazing... by Khaed · · Score: 1

      Selling at a loss is Sony's fault. People want to do home brew stuff. They should be able to do home brew stuff -- they bought the hardware.

      Now that it's been made clear Sony is going to make it a bastard to have homebrew games/etc, I imagine people who want to do said thing won't buy a PSP. They'll buy a GP2X (or whatever it's called).

      Just because you run NES games on your PSP doesn't mean you're not buying PSP games. Watch Sony make it so that new games won't run on 1.5 anymore, if they haven't already. Then they're basically saying "You can do one but not the other."

      They should've just sold something extra to make home brewing easier. "Make your own game!"

      Selling at a loss and then relying on games is a stupid policy. If Sony and Microsoft didn't have huge empires in other areas, their games divisions would be screwed over. If I recall they lost money over the last few years overall (except when Halo 2 came out).

    20. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      So are non-root user accounts on Linux DRM as well?

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    21. Re:Amazing... by Hast · · Score: 1

      No.

      Some (Stallman) call it "Restriction Management" but those people are the minority.

    22. Re:Amazing... by Hast · · Score: 1

      If the "rights" claimed by DRM is correct or not is besides the point. The point of DRM is to give the copyright owner more control than they usually have.

    23. Re:Amazing... by ExKoopaTroopa · · Score: 3, Informative

      But some of us actually enjoy expanding this cool little device with things like audio/video streaming (PSPRadio,Pimpstreamer), using the psp a universal remote (iR Shell, iTunesremote, PSPVNC), reading other media file formats than those allowed by Sony (PMP Mod, PSP Media Player). Check the full list here : http://psp-homebrew.eu/listall.php?filter=category
      Oh and we still purchase games for it too (but no way am I buying a UMD movie ...)

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    24. Re:Amazing... by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 1

      Do you know where can I buy gp2x in California (SF Bay Area)? I am searching for real shop, not online purchase.

    25. Re:Amazing... by jrockway · · Score: 1

      The difference is that if you own the Linux box, you can do anything. User accounts are something you use to limit the ability of others to hose your computer.

      Sony's DRM limits the ability for you to use your own property. (Unless you're just renting the PSP, in which case Sony can do whatever they want. Of course, you could sue them for breach of contract if they said you could do something that you can't. If you don't like the PSP's DRM, though, why not just not buy one!? Let Sony go out of business.)

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    26. Re:Amazing... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The thing is, the trouble you get with running homebrew is included in the price, the alternatives where homebrew is encouraged are more expensive and many people are going the cheap route and subsequently complaining that they don't get the ease of using homebrew the pricier products offer.

      AFAIK the Sony game division did make money in the past but Nintendo's strategy of "profit everywhere" resulted in Nintendo having twice SCE's profits. Of course I expect Nintendo is still selling stuff cheaper than they would if they didn't have the game revenue to count on, they've got tiny profit margins on the hardware, those would easily go to 50-150% manufacturing cost if they were Nintendo's primary source of income.

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    27. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The thing is, the trouble you get with running homebrew is included in the price, the alternatives where homebrew is encouraged are more expensive and many people are going the cheap route and subsequently complaining that they don't get the ease of using homebrew the pricier products offer.


      Actually, the GP2X is cheaper than the PSP.
    28. Re:Amazing... by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying Sony's never made a profit, never meant to imply that, I just meant over the last two or so years; I get that some of that is the PS3 R&D (and soon, I imagine, hype and ad campaigns).

      I think the main reason homebrewers are buying the PSP is because of the popularity; I hadn't even heard about the GP2X outside of a mention in Wired until recently, and then only on Slashdot or from the guy I know who bought a PSP primarily to run old system emulators on. The PSP is capable, and it's out there.

      I think Sony is fighting a losing fight. It won't be the first time they have.

    29. Re:Amazing... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Even root is restricted.

      ln -d (to hard link a directory) won't work on Linux even as root.

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    30. Re:Amazing... by zzatz · · Score: 1

      No. You still don't get it. DRM is orthogonal to copyright.

      DRM restricts the rights of the owner of something. That something may be copyrighted, or it might not be. The restriction may be imposed by the copyright holder, or it may be imposed by someone else. DRM does not enforce copyright, it imposes restrictions unconnected to copyright. Copyright deals with publication or public performance, neither of which are restricted by DRM.

      When I buy a book at my local bookstore, I own that copy. It is mine to do with as I wish, with the exceptions imposed by copyright, and only for those books which are copyrighted - some are public domain. When I leave the store, I pass through a gate which will sound an alarm if the sales clerk has not deactivated the sensor attached to the book. That gate has nothing to do with copyright, it is an anti-shoplifting measure. Just as DRM is a technical measure attached to a product. In both cases, the products are often also copyrighted, but those technical measures have nothing to do with copyright. The gate doesn't prevent me from publishing the book, and neither does DRM. The gate doesn't prevent me from reading the book aloud to a public gathering (public performance), and neither does DRM. Anti-shoplifting systems and DRM are technical measures applied to products to prevent actions unrelated to copyright. Measures applied to products which may also be copyrighted, but also to products which are not copyrighted. And copyrighted products might not have DRM or anti-shoplifting measures attached. They're independent.

      DRM has been used with public domain material. DRM has been applied over the strong objections of the copyright holders, in the case of several authors and musicians. DRM is a tool used to control distribution. In the case of the PSP, the primary purpose is to prevent the copyright holder (the game company) from selling games without paying Sony. DRM is about control by someone other than the owner; in the case of PSP games, control by Sony over the game company and the owner of a copy of the game. It overrides the property rights of the game owner, and the rights of the copyright holder, giving control to a third party who has NO rights over the game.

    31. Re:Amazing... by Hast · · Score: 1

      Ok I see what you're saying now.

      However, the main difference is that I was talking about DRM from the producers pow and you are talking about it from the consumers point of view. Naturally shoplifting is independant of copyright. It has to do with material goods, copyright OTOH conserns itself with immaterial rights.

      Personally I'd argue that without copyright (and the copyright/intellectual property thinking that goes with it) we wouldn't have DRM. The would be no point. You could also argue that DRM is not so much a technical implementation of copyright (only some or parts of DRM systems specifically try to limit copying of a work) but that it aimed to extend the limitations imposed by copyright.

      Personally I wouldn't say that Sony et al are using DRM wrt releasing games on consoles. All that is mainly about them wanting money from developers for making games for their platforms. They are using systems similar to DRM (encryption, signing) but so are programs like PGP/GPG and I wouldn't call them DRM.

      You are absolutely right when you write that DRM is a tool used to control distribution though. I just don't agree with how you tie it into game development.

      And for the record, I work with DRM. Hence my "producers view" of things. (Hopefully noone reads this thread anymore, otherwise I'll get a lot of Foes. ;-)

  4. who fucking cares? by dave1g · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It shouldn't. You obviously understood what he meant so the communication was successful. You might want to go see a shrink.

    1. Re:who fucking cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He understood, but we aren't all native English speakers. Show some courtesy to those who are learning our language, and please try to avoid changing the rules every six months.

    2. Re:who fucking cares? by KDR_11k · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      1'm prty sre u cn undrstnd ths as wll. Stll isnt fun 2 rd ths. Thr is a rsn spllng rls hv bn estblshd.

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    3. Re:who fucking cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar nazism gets me off ...unlike PSP downgraders that create logfiles for sheer e-penis value

    4. Re:who fucking cares? by revlayle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yes, and there are minor mispellings (i.e. the absense of a single spance in an other wise decent english phrase). Also, there are gross abuses as the sentence you wrote exemplifies. Indeed, I would have trouble reading that and would not want to ever again. "ALOT" however, is just a very minor nuisance (at least to me) and offers no good reason (again, to me) to get overly upset about.

  5. Downgrader? A better word! by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Backdater. Downgrade seems like you're making something worse which is actually the case with some "updates" that are provided by some makers. Examples of this includes TiVo updates that remove features like commercial skipping. It would most certainly not be an upgrade. And to go back to something with better features once removed or modified would not be a downgrade. But to go back to a previous version that is more useful in some way, I would call "backdating." (please, no gay jokes)

    1. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by UnixSphere · · Score: 1

      Stop bickering.

    2. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about the version number genius.

    3. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by MBCook · · Score: 2, Informative

      1.5 Didn't have the web browser that the later versions have. There are some other things too, like I think Sony added an RSS readers.

      In this case, it is a downgrade.

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    4. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      That'd be true if 1.5 had more features than later versions. It doesn't. The only 'feature' is has over the others is the glitch/bug/exploit that allows unsigned code to be easily executed. It has no browser, to streaming video, etc etc. This is a downgrader in every sense of the word.

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    5. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      No.

      Down grade.

      Other than the lack of homebrew, Sony does introduce things into the firmware that make the thing more useful.

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    6. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by Cyraan · · Score: 1

      True, but now we have the wonder of devhook, and pretty much seamless 2.50 emulation on 1.50, and 2.60 isnt far behind now. Though I can agree that downgrade isnt the most accurate term, it seems to be the most widely used.

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    7. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by Firehawke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. DEVHOOK makes it almost trivial to use the 2.0/2.5 firmware features from 1.5, and only adds maybe 10 seconds to the time it takes to get things up and going.

      Going back to 1.5 doesn't mean you lose all those features anymore.

    8. Re:Downgrader? A better word! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of when Apple still allowed movies to go to Fullscreen on Quicktime 3. The interface controls (not looks) was a bit like Media player. Then, they brought out quicktime 4 and the hideous interface with the round volume knobs, the stupid Pro message (I think that was included on version 3, too) and the inability to go to fullscreen.

      However, that was for Macs. I remember quicktime being the most included software on early "multimedia" CDs because AVI wasn't crossplatform but MOV was... but I digress

      Eventually, everyone learned to live with the missing features, bad looks, stupid message and bloat... Quicktime was crippled in the way I describe about 8 years ago. Now that nobody really needs it because of the predominant windows formats, it's forced as a part of iTunes.

      Speaking of crippled software. Anyone notice that Windows Media Player 4 and onwards DOESN'T do obey the standard SPACEBAR pause command? What gives? All mayor and minor players support it, you know? I hate having loud music continue for an extra 4 seconds after someone walks in and I'm supposed to be doing work, but can't silence the damn media with a single key... using menus is another cripple that MS has done on purpose.

      Moral of the story, kids: don't upgrade. EVER. Your version WAS the best of the best at some point in the past, and expensive too. Don't settle for market forces pushing you to repurchase something that is merely repackaged with the newest GUIs, missing features and more room for weird bugs.

  6. Reality cares. by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Obviously, given your atrocious spelling and grammar - just in this one post - you're just being humorous. But just in case you're not:

    you must be able to parse incorect grammar and spelling because the majority of written english, on the internet expecially, contains atleast some errors

    Then why are you bothering to use the word "incorrect?" Words mean something. Yes, language evolves. But clarity in written communication only occurs when - across the board - people allow words to mean the same thing, day to day. "Alot" is not a typo, it's a deliberate refusal to grasp that the phrase "a lot" is similar to "a bunch," "a batch," "a whole mess of," or "more than a few," etc. We don't say "alittle," "abunch," or "expecially" (woops, you use that last one).

    It's the same sort of error that people make when they say "I could care less" when they mean exactly the opposite. They've stopped thinking about what the words actually mean, and are just repeating sounds... and then start typing them that way, too.

    Normally I don't worry so much about it, but people who specifically flesh out the more technical part of our population not only should be better communicators, but poor skills in that area can actually result in buggy code, financial disasters, and all sorts of other real-world problems. It's about cognition, not typing. People who don't care, and that write embarassingly inadequate defenses of wretched communication skills, are contributing to the general erosion of critical thinking skills throughout our culture. And that makes for less thoughtful discourse, which leads to poorer decision making worse voting, and eventually the rise of Supreme Court justices that will say things like, "Never mind the facts, dude - how did the plaintiff's actions make you, like, feel? Were you like, alittle upset?"

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    1. Re:Reality cares. by dave1g · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      While I agree that we should encourage better writing I thought it was stupid to freak out about it.

      By the way, the Supreme Court doesn't examine facts. Fact finding is done in the original court that heard the case. Well, I guess in the small percentage of cases where they are the court of original jurisdiction they look at facts, but in msot of their cases they only look at the law. No wonder you believe the Supreme Court will someday be filled with justices who (should that be who or whom? oh no! fucking blow me, i dont care) would ask such a rediculous (spelling mistake? go blow a donkey) question.

    2. Re:Reality cares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to check, but it's been discussed here a lot:

      I could care less
      - and -
      I couldn't care less

      mean the same thing (especially in print, since you can't tell where the emphasis in the sentence lies).

      Check the alt.english.usage FAQ for confirmation. It's simply a regional difference in english. I'd go through the details on how each of them mean the same thing, but again, with some searching, it's been discussed on slashdot more than a dozen times.

    3. Re:Reality cares. by Kippesoep · · Score: 1

      I could care less... but only if paid to do so.

    4. Re:Reality cares. by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      could care less
      - and -
      I couldn't care less

      mean the same thing


      No! That's just not true. One means that there are things about which you care more, and the other means that there are not. People use the phrase(s) almost universally the same as "that doesn't matter to me." Meaning, it's at the bottom of the list of things they care about. Meaning, they could not care less about the matter at hand. Except, when trying to say that, they say the opposite - that they could care less. It's just lazyness, really - but it also shows what I mean about uttering things without actually understanding that "not" is a negative.

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    5. Re:Reality cares. by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      While I agree that we should encourage better writing I thought it was stupid to freak out about it.

      You're completely missing the point. The person who "freaked out" was complaining about the fact that a paid editor - someone who is given actual cash money specifically to format and review written material for mass consumption - made in idiotic mistake that any literate person should have caught, but certainly which even the crutch of a spell-checker would have caught. If it was a similar bit of usage in the middle of someone's downstream comment, it would still be annoying, but not nearly as much so. This like seeing it on the front page of a newspaper, or on your resume.

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    6. Re:Reality cares. by Millenniumman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I could care less" irritates me also, but I think it originally meant I could care less.

      The worst thing is when people say literally when they don't mean it.

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      Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or evil. And you don't want to get any on you.
  7. Downgrading is an upgrade by js62 · · Score: 1

    Just went to newsgoups(a.b.sony.psp) got the dutch version of the downgrader. Translated directions with bablefish and it works perfectly on my Lik-Sang Japanese import(white version was 2.6 firmware, now 1.5). Total time less than 5 minutes.

  8. Out of curiosity . . . by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    How many ways are there to "brick" this device?

    --
    "Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
    1. Re:Out of curiosity . . . by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, this way comes to mind...

    2. Re:Out of curiosity . . . by ZakuSage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Out of appx 500 posts on success/failure of the downgrader, only one had failed and bricked his PSP. So yeah unless YOU do something wrong, it's almost not possible.

    3. Re:Out of curiosity . . . by kryogen1x · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, if you get four lines in tetris after running emulators on 1.5, you might brick your PSP!

    4. Re:Out of curiosity . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      throw it on the fire?

  9. The newer version of GTALCS may cause problems.. by Flamekebab · · Score: 0

    A problem users might encounter in buying GTALCS for this exploit is the fact that the newer version of GTALCS that seems to be circulating now has had the exploit patched, preventing it from running. It would seem we now need a way of telling which version of GTALCS we've got.

  10. posting this from adowngraded psp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the homebrew links browser :)

  11. ROLLBACK OR REVERSION... by LEX+LETHAL · · Score: 2

    The PSP OS is undergoing a transformation to a previous version, even if it wasn't originally installed, the PSP community should stick with established computing jargon. The PSP has a motherboard, video display, cpu, input devices, memory for temporary and long-term storage and an OS that is updated periodically. Smells like a computer to me.

  12. Personally by Bongo+Bill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm waiting for that modchip to be released. That or an exploit that doesn't involve owning GTA.

    --
    ...but is it art?
    1. Re:Personally by frickendevil · · Score: 1

      The mod chip costs more money and doesnt add many new features. Sure if you have a previously bricked psp that you are going to revitalise with the mod chip, go ahead, but then again you can buy a 2.5/2.6/2.01 psp on ebay for less.

      Also interesting to note is that recently sony/rockster have been releasing a patched version of GTA that stops the edison carter exploit, so buy second hand ;)

  13. "I could care less" is supposed to be ironic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that most people understand it as being such.... but it DOES make sense.

  14. Linux is available for the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can in fact dual boot an iPod to linux, I have it on my Photo Ipod:

    http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page

    I have a PSP, and you are correct, a PSP is way cooler... the only the the iPod has going for it at all is a harddrive at that's it, period. Otherwise, it sucks totally next to a PSP.

    The PSP does have a hidden cost in the form of the memorystick you ahve to buy for it, which costs as much as a PSP itself. You will definatly want to go with the 4gb memorystick, as anything else will leave you jealous. Just shell out the bucks and expect to pay $500. But for that kind of money, you can probably get something better than a PSP. Like the Nokia 770 internet tablet, or a very slim laptop (run Mame32 on it, play the world of videos and everythign.

  15. Software for the GP2X by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anyone interested in what software is available for the GP2X should look here: http://www.gp32x.com/

    There are plenty of emulators, freeware games and utilities. There is also stuff for the previous-generation GP32.

    1. Re:Software for the GP2X by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 0

      Seems a bit lame TBH... No proper games and the FAQ shows it to be woefully underpowered:

      mp3:

      "The GP32 can play many MP3s as long as they are renamed to 8.3 characters,"
      "bitrate is limited to around 128/192 kbps"
      "No VBR support"

      divx:
      2 available..
      moviepark: "supports 10 frames per second"
      GPDivX "no sound"

      Plus a read of the emulator support reveals them to be buggy, slow and incomplete... certainly none are release quality yet.

      TBH I'll look again in a couple of years when they have a product worth buying.

    2. Re:Software for the GP2X by theoddbot · · Score: 1

      GP32 != GP2X One is a 133mhz arm w/ 8mb of ram. The other has 2x200mhz arm, 64mb of ram and a hardware video decoder.

    3. Re:Software for the GP2X by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're looking in the GP32 (the previous model) section. The GP2X has superior (and built-in) mp3 and video support, is much faster - it has two processors, each of which is twice as fast as the old model's CPU. My GP32 can play Phantasy Star 4 (Sega Genesis) and a bunch of Turbographix games flawlessly, among other things. Apparently the GP2X has excellent emulators for Genesis/TG16/SNES, though can't say for sure since I haven't received my GP2X yet. :) But since it has considerably better hardware, it seems reasonable. The only emulation that is supposed to be buggy and slow on the GP2X seems to be PSX (because of the 3D) and DOS emulation.

    4. Re:Software for the GP2X by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      SquidgeSNES doesn't quite hit fullspeed yet, but it's close enough that many games are playable. I've clocked 20+ hours in Dragon Quest V alone on it, and Actraiser plays nicely as well.

      Depending on the game, YMMV. Don't miss gpfce (NES emu) either.

  16. Ladies and Gentlemen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is my pleasure and privilege to present....the Great Pedantico!

    Appearing Live on Stage! (Although technically it's more of a "gazebo" than a stage, per se.)

  17. Slashdot Duped by the QJ Network by Croakyvoice · · Score: 5, Informative

    The person who submitted this article carefully linked to the PSPUpdates/qjnet spam machine which charges it uses 3 dollars a week to view the forums with no ads, on the newsposts them selves they have not linked to the real coders sites or indeed release threads. This network have been banned from digg for these actions of spamming and well i hope slashdot do too. If your looking for better PSP News Sites that actually link properly then check out these sites: PSP News - http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/ PSP 3D - http://psp3d.com/ PSP Hacks.com - http://www.psp-hacks.com/

    1. Re:Slashdot Duped by the QJ Network by Cyraan · · Score: 1

      I can see what you mean about the links to the coders individual sites (I had not noticed that before). The summary I submitted thanked & credited the coders involved, but that part seems to have been removed. However, there was nothing "carefully selected" about the links, I used PSP Updates because they're one of the larger sites covering the story/PSP scene in general, I don't have any affiliation with them, and if ads bother you so much.

      --
      "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." - Blaise Pascal
  18. Filling up 32 MB??? by tronicum · · Score: 1
    One thing that may not be mentioned specifically in the article: it is recommended you NOT use the 32mb Memory Stick that came with the PSP, as the process creates alot of log files that can fill it up, possibly causing a brick.

    How on earth could they code an update process that fills up an 32 MB Flash? A Firmware itself is about 18 Megs + a Loader (3 MB), a program (~5 MB), how on earth can you write a log file that grows on 5 Megabyte?
    Writing a bit for every byte going to the flash-rom? They could write them to RAM anyway.

    If its turned to a brick, a log wouldnt help you with the Sony Support anyway.

    1. Re:Filling up 32 MB??? by Firehawke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that the program was on beta 5-- the previous four test versions bricked PSPs, period. They were outputting a whole lot of debug data about each stage of the flash, it seems, since there are some complex steps to get things to the right point. It's not just writing bytes-- this downgrader apparently actually borrows chunks from the official PSP updater and does some interesting tricks to bypass various protection mechanisms.

      The logs were there purely to figure out where things went wrong; nobody expected this version to work.

    2. Re:Filling up 32 MB??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah buddy its a ram dump.

      so ya can see whats goin on... find a overflow, wack in some home made code.

      would be kinda silly doin a ram dump to ram.

  19. Re:Reality cares by eddy · · Score: 1

    "I could care less" when they mean exactly the opposite.

    Yeah, right. If only there were other idioms where you say one thing and mean another.

    --
    Belief is the currency of delusion.
  20. Wow?!!? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

    Features added by a downgrade...brilliant!! Brilliant!!

  21. What has digg got against qj.net? by Frogbert · · Score: 1

    I noticed on the site that Digg seems to be banning QJ.net links from making it to the front page. Does anyone here know why this is?

    1. Re:What has digg got against qj.net? by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's probably a conspiracy. You should break out a rakish hat and start investigating like an old-timey journalist.

      --
      Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
  22. Re:Alot is American Slang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You absolutely have to remeber that American English is a Living Language instead of dead and buried. Due to this, it evolves over time and a very solid example of this is the word AINT. This was classified as slang for 2 generations by the Merrian Webster Dictionary and yet it's now become an accepted word that's placed in the dictionary. That's right, it takes a while but "ALOT" will eventually become an accepted spelling and word in approximately 25-30 years.

    As to getting upset about this spelling, I'd spend far more time being upset that our educational system has failed to properly teach many of our high school graduates how to perform a fundemental task such as reading, writing and math.

  23. Minors by tepples · · Score: 1

    So what should minors whose parents approve of homebrew but not of car theft simulations do? And what should people who live in countries where GTA has been banned do?

    Answer: Nintendo DS homebrew. It's my aunt's choice for her kids. Seriously.

    1. Re:Minors by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Or buy a GP2x. Although the DS is better if you want to play current games rather than just use it for emulation/homebrew.

      --
      Sometimes my arms bend back.
  24. I could *barely* care less by tepples · · Score: 1
    It's the same sort of error that people make when they say "I could care less" when they mean exactly the opposite.

    Almost. That one is short for "I could barely care less".

  25. This is great... by Mister+Impressive · · Score: 1

    ..but unfortunately for those who own the newer revision of the PSP, the TA-082, we're left high and dry unable to run homebrew the same way 1.5 users are able to. I am one of the unlucky few, having seen at least 200 people pass through Fanjita's IRC channels successfully downdating their PSPs.

    --
    Let the commencement BEGINULATE!
  26. So glad I got rid of my PSP by British · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I went out and bought specificially a 1.5 to enjoy the homebrew. I ended up playing the homebrew stuff more than the pricey games.

    But looking at the downgrader instructions and such, AND knowing the risks of "bricking" your $250 game system, I'm glad I traded it in for a DS.

    While the PSP may have a bunch of fun features, getting to the homebrew stuff with Sony's anti-blessing is just a hassle. A lot of the homebrew stuff is about as fun as recompiling a linux kernel..on a video game system. I won't try to make any Linux technobabble / PSP technobabble comparisons since I've heard nothing but good things about the GamePark.

    So if you like fighting against Sony, the complications of Linux(upgrading/downgrading/copying files), the risk of malware(bricking your PSP, ie worse than any Windows malware), pricey games, and a failing media format(UMD), the PSP is for you!

  27. I am so glad this is hurting Sony! by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    I don't own a PSP nor am I going to get one but any day Sony and anyone associated with Sony gets
    burned is a good day. All the same: Kudos and honest appreciation to the people that hacked the
    firmware.

    I hope this latest fiasco should be cause for people to pull out of Sony and make them drop out of
    the console market altogether. And doesn't it suck to be one of the software vendors that actually
    invested in the PSP2... Hope you're reading this, because this is going to cost you dearly and
    I hope you don't even break even.

    1. Re:I am so glad this is hurting Sony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely, Sony are shit these days, they haven't turned out a decent games system since the PS1.

    2. Re:I am so glad this is hurting Sony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Fuck Sony.

    3. Re:I am so glad this is hurting Sony! by LKM · · Score: 1
      Sony are shit these days, they haven't turned out a decent games system since the PS1.

      One could argue that they haven't turned out a decent games system since the Walkman with LCD.

      The PS1 wasn't a decent games system. It was a mediocre games system with a hacked-together controller and crappy build quality that just happened to get lucky (mainly because its competitors were generally even worse - CD-i anyone?) and subsequently got a fair amount of great games.

  28. Whaah Whaah Whaah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love listening to /. geeks who insist on who this is a company stopping them from running their own software on their own hardware.

    Last time I checked all the PSP software is made using a warezed dev kit for starters

    Next you own the PSP, but you license the OS.

    So if you want to play Sony PSP games Sony has the right to make you use their newest and most up to date firmware. I'm sure the PSP boxes say "requires firmware X.X" somewhere on the back, so if you dont want to update your firmware don't purchase the game. If you want to run homebrew Sony has no problem with that, but they don't intend to offer their firmware up to do it.

    Maybe some /. Linux geeks could make their own replacement firmware and homebrew away, but let's not pretend Sony is the bad guy for people choosing to break the terms of their licensing agreement.

    1. Re:Whaah Whaah Whaah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The deal is that Sony is proactively trying to prevent homebrew from being run on the system. Sony DOES have a problem with it.

      The exploit in GTA has been removed from the game and all copies manufactured in the future lack this exploit, if the exploit wasn't harmful the only reason to remove it would be to stop homebrewers, right?

  29. What has digg got to do with slashdot? by matts-reign · · Score: 1

    Seriously, why do we care?

    I don't complain about the number of idiots in the neowin forum on slashdot, or the number of people completely disconnected from reality on slashdot who think DRM is the most pressing political issue on neowin.

    Why should you complain about digg on slashdot?

    --
    Waffles rock.
  30. Music Please by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    There should be a song: 50 Ways to Brick Your Sony.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  31. Re:DEVHOOK by hords · · Score: 1

    Will DEVHOOK let you play games you purchased without upgrading your firmware, or is there any program that will? I'm at 1.5 still and would rather not upgrade to play the last game I purchased.

  32. another type of slashdot effect... by ziggy+the+zagnut · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I just wanted to say how really weird it is to actually know quite a bit about the topic (I've been developing PSP homebrew for over a year now) of an article and then read how unnuanced and uninformed people's comments are. It makes me wonder about the quality of information and comments on all the articles I read each day.

    For almost every person pointing out something that seems completely stupid and illogical, there is usually a really good reason. Like the person talking about the 32MB sticks being filled up....did you ever stop to think that maybe someone already has it filled up with mp3s and doesn't want to erase them? or the person who says it shouldn't be called a 'downgrader', but a 'backdater,' did you ever stop to think about the thousands and thousands of people out there already calling it a downgrader? you can't change any movement that big.

    so by all means, make inquiries, but don't act like other people are stupid and illogical for things that surprise you.

    1. Re:another type of slashdot effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the article the PSP kernel mode test exploit does a memory dump onto the memory stick in the PSP. Attempting to dump 32mb of memory (Which is how much memory the PSP packs...) onto a 32mb memory stick is thus probably not a good idea, especially if said stick already has data on it...

      So there you go, 32mb warning explained...

    2. Re:another type of slashdot effect... by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

      Did you really just get pissed at someone for wanting to change the term for it to a better, more logical term?

      Jesus man, calm down! Take a Xanax or something!

    3. Re:another type of slashdot effect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think this is bad, just wait for any kind of Physics article to be posted -- 95% of the responses are on a par with the Time Cube...

  33. Re:Whaah Whaah Whaah *2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The deal is that Sony is proactively trying to prevent pirated game ISOs from being run on the system. Sony DOES have a problem with it.

    The exploit in GTA has been removed from the game and all copies manufactured in the future lack this exploit, if the exploit wasn't harmful the only reason to remove it would be to stop warezers, right?


    Fixed for the truth. Yeah, it wasn't a "harmful" exploit because we all know no-one has ever bricked their PSP system using an exploit like this...

  34. 32MB of logs? by macshome · · Score: 1

    What the heck can it be doing to fill 32 MB with log files? Does it write it all down in 1s and 0s?

    1. Re:32MB of logs? by KingEomer · · Score: 1

      You're joking, right?

    2. Re:32MB of logs? by macshome · · Score: 1

      Thanks captain literal. Yes, I'm kidding.

      But really, that seems like a lot of log for this. I mean how big is the FW even?

    3. Re:32MB of logs? by KingEomer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree with you there; it is quite a lot. From what I can gather it's debug output. But, then, you shouldn't have debug output turned on when releasing.

  35. Re:DEVHOOK by Firehawke · · Score: 1

    Late reply, but yes. I use it with Mega Man Powered Up, Maverick Hunter X, and Gradius Collection all the time.

  36. Re:DEVHOOK by hords · · Score: 1

    Sweet! Thanks for the info