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Jeff Minter on Sony's Arrogance
Regular Edge columnist Jeff Minter has lashed out at Sony over what he perceives as incredible arrogance on the console-maker's part. From the BBC article: "Mr Minter, writing in his regular column for Edge, said: 'They seem absolutely certain that even when they say it's going to be considerably more expensive than existing consoles... nevertheless us eager customers will rush out in droves to buy it because it's, hey, a new PlayStation.'"
Sorry, I'd rather pay for reality, in the form of real hardware, real games, and real fun.
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I have not heard these millions. Where do they live? Certainly not in the United States, Europe or Japan. When the Japanese' eyes go big over the price of some electronic doodad, it's probably too expensive.
That's not even starting with the other hundreds of Sony gaffes, a list of which would consume pages.
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I've been a PC gamer for like... ever. But just knowing that I don't have to upgrade a component in a $600 gaming system to play the latest game every 6-12 months... hell there are video cards that run that much! In perspective, the PS3 IS a PC (cell processor yada yada), Blue-Ray whoopdie do, but consider the sheer amount of data they can throw on one of those discs? I am seriously considering picking one up. Now, give me a version of Linux that will run on it (with minimal hacking) and I'm sold!
Remember, adding a random "do:loop" into someone else's code is a damn good time!
That's assuming that a PS3 can do everything a gaming computer can in terms of gaming. It can't, so it fails as a computer.
And as a console, it doesn't have anything compelling over the 360 or the Wii, or even the PS2, to justify that price.
Even with all that, I might be rushing to buy one if I had any faith left in Rootkit Sony at all. I'm sorry, did I say "Rootkit Sony"? I meant "Anti-homebrew Sony". Or maybe "crippled PS2 Linux for $200 Sony".
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Now, give me a version of Linux that will run on it (with minimal hacking) and I'm sold!
Wow, you haven't been paying attention - the more expensive version is supposed to have Linux pre-loaded on it from the factory.
PS and PS2 absolutely dominated their generation (yes I'm aware Nintendo may have made more money). PS3 strikes me as too expensive but then I'm not the average gamer so it's not up to me to decide if Sony's strategy is sound. If their strategy is right, then who are we to tell them not to do it? And if it's wrong, it's not my problem either.
"Cheaper than a computer" has always been a feature of consoles, trying to justify the PS3 cost by comparing it to the computers is a bit of a strawman. Hell, if I buy a Wii, I can have $1250 left over for my "other things" machine.
As for these mythical hordes of people slobbering to buy the PS3, I have yet to see them. Please direct me to them. Honestly, everyone I talk to sees the PS3 to be like pulling teeth, they want to avoid it for as long as possible. Most of us know that in the future we might break down and buy a PS3 once the number of good exclusive third party titles for it is too good to pass up and it has undergone a theoretical drop in price. Meanwhile, I want the Wii like no one's business and it will probably be the first console ever that I will stand in line to have at launch.
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Maybe you missed the bulletin. The PS3 will be upgradeable. In the land of gaming, 'can be upgraded' is the same as 'must be upgraded.'
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I know a guy who's going to buy a PS3 just because the next Ace Combat game will require it.
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I know personally I will never buy another Sony product, it seems as if this company has completely lost touch with reality. Its like they have a corporate mentality that they are a government and we live by thier rules vs. our dollars determine thier fate. At least the White House/neo con republican movement trys to put a positive spin on bad policy for the people, Sony is just clueless. Next they are just going to put out one sentence press releases:
PS3, suck it down bitches!!
Viao, suck it down bitches!!!
Rootkit, suck it down and bend over bitches!!!
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HEY!!, I'm the new VP of Sony Public Relations!!! (suck it down bitches)
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The vast majority of people that will buy the PS3 haven't been online to discuss it, and never will. They haven't heard about all of the stupid things Sony's executives have said, or heard any of the discussions about why the controller has certain features like tilt sensing. These people will know nothing about the console except what they'll see on the side of the box after they buy it.
The real question I see is, can Sony make money even if they sell 20 million units? Sure, a lot of people choke on the $600 price tag but most analysts figure it still doesn't cover the manufacturing costs. They seem to be willing to take a loss on the PS3 to try to win the HD format war. But if that bet doesn't pay off they could be stuck with a loss leader that doesn't lead anywhere.
Bite the hand.
both versions actually come with Linux pre-installed (it's to get around paying taxes), the $600 model comes with HDMI ports The Card reader and a 60gb hdd as default, the $500 model only has a 20gb model and you have to buy a card reader addon and there is no support for HDMI.
Mighty respect to the Yak, n'all, and Sony are certainly a bunch of pisstakers, but Jeff did write the light synth that was bundled with the Xbox360 so he might not be a completely fair and unbiased observer here.
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I see this generation as pure arrogance. I thought the $400 price of a 360 stupid. But asking either $500 or $600 for a console is just insane. They aren't even offering anything great. The videos I've seen of the PS3 games look like 360 games. The interface is basically the same as the analog controller introduced during the PS1 life-cycle. They have basically NOTHING to justify the cost in my eyes. Those have no large line-up of killer games. Heck, I've yet to see a game that really makes me take notice. Some (Assassin's Creed) seem interesting, but many of those (like it seems Assassin's Creed) won't be exclusive.
I bought a PS2 on launch due to "good will" with Sony. I knew they would come through. They did... but it took a long time. My PS2 has probably seen more use as a DVD player than a PS2 (thanks, mostly, to Netflix and TV show DVDs).
I bought a PSP on launch due to "good will" but I now regret that. There have been basically 3 games for it that I found that I like. Burnout (beat it, tired of it), Hot Shots (beat it, tired of it), and Lumines (I've spent so many hours on it, I'm tired of it). At this point in the console's life, I expected to have liked more than 3 games. And you know what's coming up that I'm looking forward to? Lumines 2, and that's just "more of the same" so I probably won't even get it. What a waste of my money. The DS was slow to start but after about 6 months it took off flying with great games.
They lost all their gaming good will. They would have a half-decent chance at $300. At $400 getting me to buy one would be a real stretch. At $500 it is a wait and see approach. At their $600 price, it's a wait and see what hits the used market 2 years later to see if it would be near my price point.
So far, only Nintendo has announced games that I consider "must haves". It's it so odd that that keeps happening every generation? The PS2 had some, the XBox had one or two (Jet Grind Radio Future and Shenmue II). The 360 and PS3 are currently lacking such titles. I have a list of about 6 for the Wii.
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The combination of late to market, higher price, and harder to develop for is a killer combo.
Well, no, I'll be buying it to play the games.
What amazes me is that an expensive console is nothing new. The Playstation was almost twice the cost of the next dearest console. The Playstation 2 was also the most expensive console from that generation. I bought both of them. Approximatedly 100 million people bought the damn things. Obviously cost isn't that important an issue.
So what is the important issue? The games, of course. There are games on the PS3 that won't exist on other consoles. I'll be buying the console to play the games. I don't buy it because it's "new". In fact, I'm most likely to wait for the first price drop because there will be too few compelling launch titles.
And what's this about price?
I don't care! That's not an issue. It might have been an issue back when I was a teenager and had to beg my parents for money, but I have a job now and I can afford to buy things. The cost of a PS3 pales in comparison to the cost of running my car. My "video game habit" is still an order of magnitude cheaper than the booze and cigarette habit that infects 99% of the population.
These "analysts" need to realise that the video game demographic has grown up. The age group is no longer 5-15 years old, begging our parents to buy a Sega Master System for Christmas. The dominant demographic is 25-35 years old with gobs of cash. The price sticker on a PS3 doesn't bother us in the slightest.
> Mr Minter, writing in his regular column for Edge,
That's it for Edge, then!
Great, so the first time they see the sticker price will be in the store sitting beside the 360 for half the price and the Wii for a third. I am sure that will improve Sony's sales.
Yes, that is because they have not been brainwashed by news sites like this one, almost all negative nieuws that comes out is misundertood or misinterperted.
I've already got the money set aside for it, and I'm placing an order for one the first day that I can. I'm not a "horde" of people, but I'm sure that I'm representative of some group of people that doesn't care what it costs, and just wants the best game console out there.
I know, Sony has previously claimed that the ps2 would be a computer, but didn't bother. However, they had to pay the taxes anyway. I think they have more incentive as such to make it a general purpose computer. And if they don't, start a class action law suit to open the hardware, as it was bought on the condition that it would be a general purpose computer.
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Either you're a Sony marketing bot, or this entire post is satire. Multiplayer gaming with a birds eye view from the PSP? Right. Like that's never been done before (Nintendo). Using your PSP as a remote control? How? Why? Who cares? What's wrong with a normal remote control? My media collection streamed to my PSP? Why would I want to stream it to a tiny stream when I'm going to be streaming it in my house with a big TV? PS3 DVR? How is that supposed to work? I haven't seen Cable card or a coax connector on the PS3. Normally a DVR does kinda need one of those. PS3 as a portable WiFi hotspot? Gee that's great, I'll haul around a $600 router with me. VOIP? Because the N-Gage didn't really well. Video calls? Yeah, that's a huge market there. A GPS? Right, because I'm going to take my PSP hiking with me with it's 10 hour battery life. Do I need to buy a solar panel too? 7000 PS1 games? First, I'll eat my sock if that many really are available. Secondly... why do I care? I can play PS1 games on a freakin 5 year old Macintosh. Use the PS3 to store my PSP downloads? So the PS3 has a hard drive. OOooooo. Impressive. PDA apps on the PSP? With what input? So far the only console succeeding at all as a PDA is the DS. Same for education.
Sony has very little potential. They're wrapping up all these buzzwords trying to impress us, when in actuality, half the stuff they promise doesn't exist yet, and the other half they'll promise and never deliver. The entire Sony gaming division must be stocked with the same people in charge of Vista. Cramming yesterday's technology into something high priced, and filling it with buzzwords most consumers don't care about. I don't care whether or not I'm paying $600 for 600 buzzwords. It's not new, it's not original, and for the most part, those features don't actually exist. Seriously... a DVR? You're talking about things that require connectors that aren't even on the PS3.
Most of the people who buy the PS3 won't pay $600 for it. The Xbox 360 cost $600 when it launched last year since many people who really wanted it at launch were prepared to spend $200 over MSRP for it. Prices fall over time for game consoles.
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Slashdot's games section has gotten to the point that makes me thankful I can buy my games online.* I'd hate to be at a store populated by people hovering near the PS3 case shouting "WRONG!" at everyone who even considers buying a console of which they disapprove.
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"I like playing old games and not having to buy them again."
I assume this is in refrence to backward compatiablity. I have to ask, what is making you throw out your old hardware?
The PS2 had market share and lots of games, but I would argue that the GameCube had better, and more reliable, hardware. How many people are on their second or third PS2? The Xbox has also had its share of hardware problems. I'd like to see the optical drives replaced with flash cards, like on the Nintendo DS, if flash ever gets cheap enough.
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Unless it can cook me a steak and murder an intruder, then I don't think it deserves a $500 price tag.
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The Wii will play all GCN games, natively. And then there is the Virtual console.
The thing about the PS3 is that it won't even be that much cheaper than a PC. Because just like the xbox 360 last year, because with the unit shortage places will only be selling the ps3 in a bundle and who knows how high that will go?
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> I have to ask, what is making you throw out your old hardware?
Lack of space?
Finite number of inputs into my TV?
The 360 only cost 600 when bundled with games. The equivalent PS3 bundle will be 800.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
How many Units do you think an average store will stock?
Every Wal*Mart, every Target, every Sears, every Fred Meyer, every EB-Games...
If I were in charge of electronics inventory for a major chain, I'd have to think long and hard... If they don't sell, will Sony reimburse? Should each store stock 10 Wii's 10 360's and 10 PS3's?, or 30 Wii's, 10 360's and 5 PS 3's?
Which would make the store more profit? 30 Wii's plus 1-3 games each, or 10 PS3's with 0-2 game each? (If it comes with Linux, many will not be used for retail games)
How many pre-orders will end up not being redeemed, because the customer can't afford it?
Spending $600 for a game console is one thing, but if you're the guy who bought $60,000,000 worth for your company, and only 50% of them sell, who's gonna get blamed for the lost $30,000,000?
But then, if you stock too few, and the competition gets all the sales profit...
A bit!?! I just saw a Dell television commercial featuring a complete desktop computer (model B110 if I recall) for $299. What are folks (at least 'regular' people) going to think when mainstream computer setups are half the price of this new game console?
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Then you should be buying a Wii.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
You miss my point. The 360 sold at auction for $600 with no games because people were willing to pay that price between launch and Christmas. Just as market factors forced the 360 price down (to its MSRP) after Christmas, I think Sony would lower the PS3 price if not enough people bought it at $600. If there's an excessive demand for the PS3, it could sell at auction for $800 with no games.
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No, everyone is calling Sony arrogant because they ARE. Let's take stock here:
- Arrogant in thinking they would get away with putting rootkits on CD's
- Arrogant in announcing that people will buy a $600 game system (even without any games) just because it says "Sony" on the box.
- Arrogant in claiming they were the first to deliver realtime computer generated 3D graphics (Nintendo was first in the mainstream with Star Fox, while Atari was the first PERIOD with Battlezone in the arcades some 24 years ago).
- Arrogant in claiming that they were the first with a CD based storage system for video games (SegaCD and Sega Saturn, anyone?).
Hating on the market leader for their position is one thing. This, however, is calling a spade a spade. Sony has proven that they don't give a flying frack about the consumer, the reactions they're receiving because of this are more than justified."So after all this, you make my case for me. To end this stalemate, you must die..."
Switch PS3 for Mac Mini, and Sony for Apple, and you just figured out Apple's marketing stradgedy.
Apple knows that people will pay more for a Macintosh than a PC. If the Mac Mini costs $600 and the generic PC clone costs $300, Apple knows that millions of people will buy a Mac Mini anyway despite it being twice the price of the low-end PC. The low-end PC being one without a monitor, keyboard, and mouse like the low end Mac the Mac Mini.
Apple also knows that people will buy a $5000 Macintosh system with all the features and software for video editing, even if that low-end PC with lower quality hardware can also edit video with an el-cheapo video capture card for less than $1000.
I guess Sony is trying to say, like Apple does, that its products have a superior quality to them, and are easier to use, and thus worth the extra money to buy them. Sony seems to think that the Blu-Ray technology alone is worth the $600 price of a PS3, because every movie that Sony's Movie division releases to home video will be on the Blu-Ray DVD format and not be able to be played on HD-DVD and standard DVD players.
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MS has repeatedly promised that they won't stop the backwards compatibility program until every single Xbox game runs on the Xbox 360. Right now, they're maybe a third of the way there...
What I don't get is why does it matter whether the 360 is playing the old games "natively" at all? They look and behave identically to the same game on the Xbox, whether or not it's emulated.
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Actually I have been thinking for some time about hacking the PSP to use as a dedicated remote (no game use).
The PSP has straight-up wireless so it would be easier to tie into a home network (correct me if I am wrong but the DS wireless is not quite standard, not to mention the hacking scene there does not seem as big).
One thing a PSP would give you is "Picture out of Picture" - you could stream one video feed while another was playing on the primary screen, perhaps warn you when it detected commercials were over. I think it could do a lot more interesting and useful things than a standard remote. I have no idea if Sony is actually planning to do any of those things but it does not mean it's not a potentially good deivce as a remote.
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I think you're underestimating the amount of young people who come online, or who read gaming magazines, or who have friends who do either of the above.
There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
The only way Sony can pull this monster together is if they can leverage the monster intellectual property Sony has onto these devices at very low/free cost, then all this broohaha is nothing. Hardware is hardware, hardware doesn't matter if there is no software on it. My friend with lots of disposable income was considering buying one of those "magic" remotes you call the PSP, but when he looked at the game selection he reconsidered. I have a bad feeling this is going to happen with PS3 too. Unless Sony can pull its head up out of it's own ass and decide to put something consumers REALLY want on the table. Not buzzwords and not gimmicks.
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A cheap shelving unit would solve that problem. I got a nice metal shelving unit (similar to this but with only three shelves) a while back that looks good and holds quite a bit of stuff. Plus, it's completely open so I don't have to worry about heating issues like with a fully enclosed "media center" rack (I never understood why you'd put hot, sensitive electronics in a fully enclosed rack).
Get a mux. My current personal favorite is the AA1154 component switch. If you don't need component, you can get switches for composite/s-video or even DVI (and thus HDMI, since the two convert back and forth easily). Granted, the Audio Authority switches are expensive, but there are many PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4">other options out there depending on the feature you want and the price you're willing to pay.
Nobody cares? Believe me, if nobody cared, there'd be no pageviews on the ads on these stories, and they would stop posting them. But no, what we actually have is plenty of clicks, and plenty of discussion, so I guess some people do care.
I do love a good 'FUCK YOU I HATE THIS BULLSHIT WEBSITE I'M GOING TO DIGG NOW' farewell post, though.
UK video gaming stalwart Jeff Minter has criticised Sony for being "smug" about its PlayStation 3 console. Smug? Right now, Sony have more smug than a batallion of Priuses, driven by OS X users, all playing iPods and using Netwons!
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I think you may be following badly. Minter's product is on the XBox360.
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"I don't know anybody who would get a PS3" is much different than "nobody will buy a PS3." Last US presidential election I knew almost nobody who would vote Bush and were all confident that he would be a one termer because, hey... they didn't know ANYBODY who supported Bush. Guess what... Bush is still our president. The people you talk to most are most likely people who generally agree with you or don't express their opinion, otherwise you'd stop talking to them or they'd stop talking to you.
The PS2 had Firewire ports. Think of the potential for fast external storage, connectivity to video cameras... and they never delivered on any of it.
The PS2 had USB. Think of the potential for hooking up a mouse and keyboard, or even a trackball and a graphics tablet, and playing strategy and adventure games that needed something other than a joystick for input. I had a keyboard plugged into my PS2, but the only thing I ever saw use it was Action Replay for entering game cheat codes.
The PS2 had a slot for a hard drive. They never delivered on that either, it was up to Squaresoft to bundle hard drives with the one game that actually used it. And then Sony stabbed them in the back by redesigning the PS2 to not have hard drive capabilities.
The same crap about streaming media was spouted as a reason to buy the PS2. Yet Sony failed to deliver on that promise too, and it was left to third parties to actually implement streaming MP3 client software and MPEG-4 movie players. Sony could be selling movies via the Internet to watch on your hard-drive-equipped PS2 today if they had wanted to.
Look back to the original PlayStation. They released a mouse and keyboard for that. It was used by perhaps a handful of games, then discontinued.
Look at Yaroze on PSOne and Linux on PS2. Amazing potential for opening up the market to independent game makers and hobbyists. And again, a total failure to deliver, leaving us with a games market where nobody will fund anything unless it's a $10m+ FPS.
The only actual delivering on potential we've seen has been EyeToy, and that's a gimmick; they haven't even shipped EyeToy Chat in the US yet.
I love my PS2, it's my main console, especially now Nintendo and third parties have pretty much given up on GameCube. But you'd have to be an idiot to buy a PS3 based on what it might potentially do. It's the same story every generation--they overspec the hardware, and fail to use most of the capabilities they built into it. And then they come out with a second generation console that eliminates the stuff they aren't using.
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I do love a good 'FUCK YOU I HATE THIS BULLSHIT WEBSITE I'M GOING TO DIGG NOW' farewell post, though.
Heh. Don't let the ad words hit you on the ass on your way out!
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
The Wii has already demonstrated titles and thier controllers that has sparked the imagination of many a gamer. Not because they are the bigest fastest games on earth, but they seem like they'll be hella fun and refreshingly different. (some of those controller demo games look like they'd really appeal to the Hello Kitty camp)
Microsoft has the benefit of a next-gen head start and now has a library and a year of debugging er... I mean.. 'sales' under thier belt to make themselves a solid contender.
PS3 from what I have seen had a me-too showing at E3 with technology that may potentially be more powerful but not yet realized nor features really eagerly awaited by the market (yeah, like we really want a way more expensive DRM laden drive that has no real killer app besides largely unnecessay capacity and potential higher video resolution.)
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I got through that whole thing without anyone pointing out how arrogant Sony was at thinking it could get away with rootkitting millions of PCs.
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One problem is that Sony isn't selling directly to the end user, there are retailers in between. Sony dropping prices creates a lot of hassle (read: cost) for them and they might decide to keep smaller stocks of Sony products to keep that hassle at a minimum.
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Uh, what? Even a hardcore geek chick wouldn't put up with a shelving unit and a component switch? Am I missing something, here?
On the other hand, most wives and girlfriends aren't too friendly to video gaming in general, and would rather spend the $600 for a PS3 on shoes or handbags instead. However, if WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is and issue, you have options. First, make sure that whatever shelving unit or entertainment center you buy meets her approval. You need to put your components somewhere, the only question is whether the wife/gf thinks it fits the decor. So take her shopping with you.
Second, a good switch (like all of the AA ones I linked) will auto-select the source, and be 99.9% correct (ie, correct enough that the wife won't bitch). My setup is so simple that a single button press will turn on everything necessary (without some fancy programmable universal remote) for "normal" usage (TV, receiver, cable box). From the same remote, you can then change channels and watch what you want. It gets a little more complicated with the other components (oh nos! I have to push a power button on consoles that don't work remotely!), but since the wife/gf isn't dealing with that, they never need to know. And so long as you turn off your console when done, the mux will switch back to the appropriate input.
So, while you're correct that I'm living the bahelor life, if you can't get your wife/gf to approve of a few switches and a rack then you're not trying hard enough. Of course, you won't even get to that argument when you try to explain to her that you need to be able to play your NES/Genesis/SNES/PS1/N64/Dreamcast/PS2/GC/Xbox/360 /Wii/PS3 all on the same TV.
Lets not forget it's Jeff "Konix-Jaguar-Nuon" Minter, here, and someone who's currently living in Microsoft's jock strap.
It's also funny to hear from his sheep/lemmings, that he's still in the "Industry", when I thought the definition of being in the "Industry", was (at the very least) to realse SOMETHING, within the last 10 years.
If it ain't pretty splodges of purple and pink, that make his sheep go "Oohh that looks ace", even though the idiots haven't a clue what they're even looking at, it's "Jeff must release all his 25-year-old C64 crap, on XBLive".
Don't you have ANYTHING original, Jeff ? That doesn't rely on bloody lights, and moving bits of purple/green/and pink. Or rely on nicking ideas from the 80's arcades ? Or rely on Peter Molyneux's money to work on that Unity flop, lol.
Funny how, when you were working on Unity, you had everything negative to say about Microsoft.
Now to the Arrogance. what about Nintendo ?
I mean, comeon, FFS, the word Wii, is Japanese word, with a Japanese meaning, ONLY. And Nintendo couldn't care less what it means, or offends, OUTSIDE of Japan. Even if it upsets all their Fanbase, they couldn't care less.
The GBA, was released WITHOUT a backlit screen because Nintendo said you didn't need it. Yet, it took the Afterburner, and countless backlashes against them, to get the arrogant sods to finally release the SP WITH a backlight.
Now we have the GBA micro, and we're all supposed to ditch our GBAs/SPs, and get the very same hardware, only in minature.
The DS, has nothing but their own back catalogue from the last 20 years. "Lets just add a bit of colour and dicky-doo to Super Mario Bros AGAIN, and flog it off for £30". Hell, the thing even launched with a poorer version of Mario64 from 1994.
Can't they just leave the past behind, for a while, and NOT release Mario in every game they can think of ? I bet their marketing dept, right now, are thinking of games for Wii/DS, that they haven't put bloody Mario in.
I bet the Wii, will have every game that they've released on NES/SNES/N64/GC, only now, the fanboys will blab on about the controller, and how it's the second coming of some deity. Hell, doesn't this thing run all their own back catalogue, anyway ? Is THAT their selling point ?
Microsoft, What HAVE they done with all their time, that they've had upto now ?
Surely, it can't look good for them if they can't sell the thing, before any of the others even had a working prototype ?
Where's the killer app ?
They keep saying that they're going to crack Japan, yet the Japanese cannot stand American Consoles, and Microsoft just cannot see that. I wouldn' be surprised is Xbox360 is being outsold by PSOne.
And as for the games, well, Microsoft just buys the companies. Hardly inpsiring, and not exactly great for the Industry, as a whole. The way it's going, theres not going to be many independant games developers, left. Although, EA, are just as bad.
I know I now sound like a Sony fanboy, but hey, Sony ARE No.1, and unless the others actually get off their fat arses and do something about it, Sony will remain No.1. Publishing stupid Anti-Sony articles, is just going to make you look very silly, come the PS3 launch, and it's inevitable success.
Despite what you think of Sony, just remember it's all in the games, NOT necessarily the hardware and the company. The PSOne, and the PS2, both had some amazing games. And most of them, were exclusive.
These people will know nothing about the console except what they'll see on the side of the box after they buy it.
Yeah - the price tag. And then they'll say "the total comes to how much?", look over, see how much the PS2 price has dropped since when they first bought it, and say "screw it, I'll wait a year until it's half the price."
Kind of tired of the "PS3 costs $600, but a real computer would cost $1500! Sure it does more, but its $1500!" Truth of the matter (I believe, anyways) is that upper-eschelon computer-gaming (i.e.: The $1200-$2000 system range) is a hobby, not just 'entertainment.' People stay on the cutting edge of computer graphics and computer technology as a hobby because they love the speed and the hardware, and they love installing the stuff. I'm in that boat. Most people are just fine buying a $500-$600 computer that may not be a beast, but can run 90% of modern-day games and survive. But it still costs the same as a PS3, and still does more.
Why is this modded insightful? It's a god damn [b]news[/b] site. Sorry it doesn't pertain to your particular interests for one fracking news post. Posting an article that some people may read is perfectly acceptable. No need to get your damned knickers in a knot.
In the same way that you buy the slightly older (cheaper) parts for the $500-$600 machine, you can wait for the PS3 to cost $300.
It'll be around for 5 years, and it's not going to make even most of it's sales at $600 each.
I used to have a half-dozen consoles on a small shelf unit next to my TV. The shelves were from Ikea, though a different line. Then I moved a couple times.
I found it easier to just sell the damn things, in the long run, They took up space, the cables were an eyesore no matter what I did, I got tired of swapping the inputs on my switcher... and I realized I was tired of most of the games I had, with little desire to get new ones.
egypt urnash minimal art.
And then they'll say "the total comes to how much?", look over, see how much the PS2 price has dropped since when they first bought it, and say "screw it, I'll wait a year until it's half the price."
Ah, but what they won't say is "screw it, I'll get an Xbox 360 and/or a Wii instead."
Rob
I'm guessing that's going to be $300-ish, sometime in 2008. That's more than the PS2 was when it hit it's real sales stride(at the $200 pricepoint) and about 6 months later, but I think it's a good estimate given I pulled it out of my ass.
The key to Sony winning this generation is getting the price down quick enough to begin to hit the mass-market. If they can't do that, they fail to get the penetration to win exclusives, and either MS or Nintendo become the default console. If they can, they'll push off their momentum from the PS2 and easily take #1.
I personally don't see that happening, but meh.
The key to the enjoyment of pop music is to replace any instance of "love" with "C.H.U.D."
Why? What games are coming out at launch that you absolutely need to play this year?
Maybe I've missed something. I certainly have the money to pick one up or even pre-order one in addition to the Wii and the slew of titles I want for it hitting this year, but I see absolutely no reason to do so.
The key to the enjoyment of pop music is to replace any instance of "love" with "C.H.U.D."
Digg isn't any better(it's actually worse on the Wii/PS3 front, there's a few "neutral" articles but the general feeling in the comments section is even more rabidly anti-sony). And it only does one level of nesting.
The key to the enjoyment of pop music is to replace any instance of "love" with "C.H.U.D."
Er...
with the high school marching band?
I hope they come out to L.A.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
I think what we all want to know is:
Will there be a port of Llamatron for the PS3 ?
No, seriously?
I'm very curious about the PS3 because I remember paying $500 for the PS2 waaaaaaaay back when it came out. Back then I was quite entertained despite the spending guilt. The one aspect that really hurt was the games at $50+ each, which then became the norm. For the first year I was in the habit of buying one or two new games every month, but after I had 15-20 titles I started realizing what a costly investment this was. I ended up getting a modchip and just copying the lesser titles that didn't feel "worth" the sticker price. Mind you this was an early modchip that required significant futzing to get anything to boot, so I still bought big titles like FFX and such, just to avoid the hassle of booting a backup. Had there been a more transparent hack available back then, I might have entirely stopped buying games.
If Sony wants these things to be popular, they need to trim off the fat and make the whole process more affordable end-to-end. Cheaper production, cheaper distribution, cheaper sticker price. I won't mind paying big bucks for a console if the software is affordable, but right now Nintendo is the clear winner in terms of value. A $10-15 difference per title may seem negligible, but when you consider the volume of games I'm likely to buy over time, the savings aren't so trivial anymore. If I had saved $15 on each PS2 title I bought, I probably would have bought another ten games and been much happier with my PS2 overall, thus much more enthused to put down money for the PS3.
I mean seriously, $50 for Pac Man World 2 ? A game I could probably have made in a month or two of my own time with adequate middleware.. It doesn't always take a zillion dollars to make a friggin videogame, especially when such things have become almost as popular as movies and music, and even the movie studios manage to make a buck or two selling $10 tickets and $15 DVDs while shelling out tons of cash on advertising and paying their actors' coke habits and religions.
Give me PS3 games at $30-40 or less and I will happily fund Sony's belligerant executives with my hard earned money.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
And stop being a lapdog and defending a company based on speculation and information from right out your ass.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Now that is weird.
Usually, console makers protect their revenue stream by allowing only licensed software to run (for which the game makers pay license fees). If the PS3 comes with Linux pre-installed, this either means that
a) the price covers the real costs of the hardware. Which would explain that the PS3 is so expensive. Or
b) the pre-installed Linux is seriously crippled somehow, so game makers cannot use it as basis for competitive games without paying license fees to Sony.
C - the footgun of programming languages
Best =/= Cheap Gimmick Console.
Seriously, so far none of the consoles have shown me any reason to buy them. The PS3 is most likely to have the games I want to play. The 360 certainly doesn't have them, and the Wii might have 1, that I'd actually like to play.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
Why does it bother you whether Slashdot is pro or anti Sony? Why do you believe it is important enough to spend your free time writing about?
That message took me about a second to write. I have a lot more free time than that. Really I'm being far more charitable with time responding to you.
In fact, why do you care so much that you bothered even responding to your message? Why is that motivation any more valid than my original message?
A dangerous business spending your own time claiming someone else is wasting theirs...
As for motive, I don't really care that much but I enjoy pointing out biases and I think it's pathetic when someone at a pretty high level of visibility uses that platform to try and "subtly" influence the opion of the masses.
If you put a bit of thought and self analysis into answering those questions, you might gain some valuable insights into your own personality.
Right back at you man.
But don't post about them. There is enough depressing shit on the Internet as it is.
Well then you should be encouraging my posts as that's just what I'm here to fix!
My posts are meant to bring reason and balance back into the system. You can think of me as something like the Architect, correcting system flaws where I find them. Slashdot console bias is but one small example.
By shaming Zonk into bringing more reasonable posts to bear in terms of gaming, a side effect is that we would see fewer negative stories and more positive ones. That would in fact lessen the general level of depressivity that you claim to be against - but are you really I wonder? That goes back to the self-analysis question you bring up; I am perfectly clear on why I post. Are you?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
$600 for the console...At least $1200 for a TV that actually takes advantage of the console. $30-$40 for each movie, $60-$80 for each game... The market doesn't have infinite cash, even if you seem to. So PS3 will not sell very many games for a long time.
And on the actual, you know, business side (you know, what the analysts are paid for), it's much more expensive to burn Blu-Rays than DVDs (X360's format of choice) and X360 owners will have more disposable cash by default.
The N64 was pretty much killed by the ps1 because cartridges are more expensive to make than CDs were to burn. So my money is on MS.
Big deal. I saw PS2s selling for as much as $7000 on eBay shortly after the US release when extreme shortages couldn't meet the extreme demand. Yes, that was just for the console - no added accessories or games.
Sony is right in that their initial shipment will sell out immediatly - and I have no doubt we'll see PS3s (again, no added games or accessories!) on eBay for thousands of dollars shortly after release. This will continue only as long as demand vastly outstrips supply - which should only be 3 or 4 months I think.
But what happens on eBay doesn't affect the console's viability. The big question is - what happens when Sony starts shipping in greater numbers to the stores? PS2s were in short supply but I still managed to get one in February 2000. Xbox360's were in short supply, but I was seeing stacks at Costco by February or March of this year. So I expect that by February or March of 2007, I'll also see PS3s sitting on shelves (as opposed to selling out immediatly upon arrival.)
At that point, what's going to happen? Especially since no one's going to just buy a PS3. Most folks are going to buy a game or 2, maybe an extra controller, and maybe even some other stuff. So even if you consider that most places will initially be selling PS3s in a bundle with an extra controller and 1 or 2 games, you're still looking at about $800-900 - if not more - just to get into the PS3.
Meanwhile, the high-end 360 is $400 - meaning you've spent $100 to $200 LESS even before you buy any games or extra accessories.
Imediatly after that comment...it say analysts say that all of the initial ps3s will be sold, yet when sony say that theyre arogant?
If everything's so fine, then what keeps you thinking and not hacking?
Or maybe, if you trust Sony so much, upgrade fw to 2.7, then try again. They may have added extra "functionality"
Oh, I forgot, newer firmware versions may further prevent any useful application from running...
No, that is not an issue for me because I would only use it as a remote and not for games - so I could downgrade the firmware and run 1.5.
However I agree with the general slant of what you are saying that it's rather annoying that Sony in fact keeps releasing firmware and hardware updates that break current ways to run homebrew on the system.
Neither do I, and, as a suggestion, don't hold your breath.
WHy not? Given that they want cool integration between the PSP and thier own device (the PS3) it's not so hard to imagine they would implment some of the features I am thinking of. I'm not expecting it exactly as it's pretty different than what is around today but they have good reason to include features like this that support thier own hardware.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley