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Millions of King Crabs Turn Sea to Desert

Reporter writes "Russian biologist, Yuri Illarionovich Orlov, succeeded where Stalin failed by implanting the red king crabs into the Barents Sea. Except now, 40 years later, he's getting worried. Why? The giant crabs are clawing their way along the bottom of the Barents Sea are spreading like wildfire along the northern coasts of Russia and Norway and will continue to spread as far as Gibraltar, the southern tip of the European continent. How come? One female crab can lay 500,000 eggs at a time, of which one or two percent will become crabs. The kicker is that the species is protected by diplomatic accords between Norway and Russia, so fishing quotas are in place. From the article: "The Kamchatka crab, also known as the Alaskan or red king crab, was introduced into the Barents by the Soviets in the 1960s — some 30 years after a first, failed attempt by Stalin — in a bid to bolster Russia's food supplies. ... The crabs weigh up to 12 kilograms (26 pounds) and measure up to two meters (6.5 feet) from pincher to pincher. While they remain far from Europe's tourist beaches for the time being, their impact on the environment is already a major cause for concern in the Arctic"."

175 comments

  1. I have the solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And it involves lot of butter ...

    1. Re:I have the solution! by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Millions of humans turn desert into dessert...

    2. Re:I have the solution! by clickclickdrone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, just tell the Japanese they're funny looking whales. (the crabs, not the Japanese).

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    3. Re:I have the solution! by bassgoonist · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:I have the solution! by tonywong · · Score: 0

      Better article here:

      Note the date on the article as well.

    5. Re:I have the solution! by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a funny joke if you forget that the only other country in the world who do commercial whaling is indeed Norway. Actually, in Norway we hunt and kill primarily animals that other countries try to preserve, such as whales, seals, wolves, bears, etc.

      In related news, I expect the season on driving-in-the-middle-of-the-road-in-a-huge-ass-RV -at-20-mph German tourists to open in late August. Apparently they have to see ALL the nature we have here in order to get a decent ROI on their vacation. Taking into an account that gas costs more than fine wine here, you can't really blame them, though. And by "wine" I mean "blood wine". Made from whale blood. Or puny tourists. Kaplah!

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    6. Re:I have the solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the invisible link. Don't have any ultraviolet light handy to see it, mind posting it in visible ink?

      Thanks.

  2. A good way to lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know that it is controversial with some dieticians, but I have had great success in keeping off the weight with the low-crab diet.

    1. Re:A good way to lose weight by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Bah. I tried it for ages, didn't even touch anything that had ANY crab in it and... I gained weight!

      That diet's a scam, I tell ya!

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    2. Re:A good way to lose weight by RevWhite · · Score: 1

      So are you on the South Bronx Parasite Diet instead?

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  3. Lower the quotas by Ekhymosis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lower the quotas, bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway and problem solved. I hope.

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    1. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is a mighty tasty solution! PETA might be annoyed though. But environmentalists will be happy. We're eating them for the good of the planet! Do your part!

    2. Re:Lower the quotas by wertarbyte · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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    3. Re:Lower the quotas by Ekhymosis · · Score: 3, Funny

      But what happens if the radiation forces a jump in evolution and they evolve into crabzilla or *shudder* politicians?

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    4. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad idea! Nuclear weapons sometimes have unforseen consequences! Especially when they are used on crabs and lizards.

    5. Re:Lower the quotas by Bogtha · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, they just need a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on crab meat.

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    6. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuke them in garlic butter! You'll need a massive microwave emmiter in orbit, as well as enourmous quantities of butter, but it is doable...

    7. Re:Lower the quotas by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm completely in favor of aquatic gorillas.

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    8. Re:Lower the quotas by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Funny

      Watch your B-Movies! It will immediately become obvious that nuking them would be a surefire way to breed the ultimate super-crab that eats us all!

      No wait. For that to work, I think it would have to happen in the Japanese Sea...

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    9. Re:Lower the quotas by It's+Atomic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would that violate UN sanctions against the use of Weapons for Mass Crustaceans (WMCs)?

    10. Re:Lower the quotas by GundamFan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PETA is always annoyed, so that isn't a problem.

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    11. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, you meant the *other* PETA. People for Eating Tasty Animals are a happier lot.

    12. Re:Lower the quotas by dangermouse · · Score: 5, Funny
      bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway

      Jesus. We want to wipe out the crabs, not the Russians and Norwegians.

    13. Re:Lower the quotas by Blob+Pet · · Score: 5, Funny

      For those who don't get the reference:

      Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

      Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

      Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

      Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?

      Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

      Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

      Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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    14. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be nitpicky, but wouldn't lowering the quota mean that they wouldn't be able to capture as many for eating? I know what you meant, but just thought I'd point that out...

    15. Re:Lower the quotas by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lower the quotas, bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway and problem solved. I hope.

      Which shows the inevitable logic of environmental degredation, in which, like the old woman who swallowed a fly, every solution is a problem in its own right.

      To wit:

      (1) Introduce massive crabs to artic as food source.

      (2) Get overrun by crabs, and introduce an American food chain to, in effect, predate on them.

      (3) Demand for butter soars, bringing into the market additional dairy farm capabilities (which have environmental impacts in their own right).

      (4) Increase in butterfat consumption results in a raging epidemic of obesity.

      (5) Obesity epidemic leads to SUVs, lowered capacity on transportation like planes

      (6) Larger, lower capacity vehicles cause energy consumption to soar.

      (7) Rising energy prices lead to increased exploitation of arctic energy reserves.

      (8) Environmental impact from petroleum extraction finally solves the King Crab problem, but you're still left with a fat, butter scarfing populace.

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    16. Re:Lower the quotas by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean increase the quota?

    17. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (9) Profit?!?!?

    18. Re:Lower the quotas by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      I think he meant the People for Eating and Torturing Animals. But I could be wrong...

    19. Re:Lower the quotas by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      But environmentalists will be happy. We're eating them for the good of the planet! Do your part!

      Eat an environmentalist, save a housing project...

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    20. Re:Lower the quotas by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      No, you don't lower the quotas, you raise them. This increases the supply of crab meat, lowerint its price, and making that horrible artificial "krab" less cost-effective as more people can afford to eat The Real Thing and the crab fishermen make more and more money. Everybody wins!

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    21. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway

      Jesus. We want to wipe out the crabs, not the Russians and Norwegians.


      And why not?

    22. Re:Lower the quotas by zentigger · · Score: 1

      yeah, but then what will we have to bring in to control the Red Lobster population explosion in 30 years! It's a delicate balance....soon you will have Red-Lobster-wanna-be franchises making cheaper and cheaper crab-dishes until the only survivors will be left trapped in stasis waiting for more lemon-scented napkins...

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    23. Re:Lower the quotas by rworne · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad?

      The larval stage of a politician is a lawyer.

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    24. Re:Lower the quotas by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      But then the corporation can't study them for use in war.

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    25. Re:Lower the quotas by Chadhulhu · · Score: 1

      Good ol' skinner. Heh, frozen gorilla meat.

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    26. Re:Lower the quotas by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      My kingdom for a mod point!

      HHGTTG > *

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  4. ok... by slashdotnickname · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    and so began /.'s transition from "news for nerds" to "news for marine biologists"

    1. Re:ok... by OneManCongaLine · · Score: 2, Funny

      But Marine Biologists are Nerds too! ...or at the very least, I'm a Nerdy Marine Biologist you insensitive clod!

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    2. Re:ok... by Alioth · · Score: 1, Funny

      What about nerdy marine biologists, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:ok... by Misanthrope · · Score: 1

      What's unnerdy about marine biology?
        "..biology is like a bad horror movie. Your sitting around doing those little things like breathing and being a fuzzy bunny and along comes a biologist. *Slash* you're dead and being dissected for some practical exam. And you don't get a complimentary version of the home game."
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  5. Just Like My Ex-Girlfriend by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Russia has a raging case of crabs!

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    1. Re:Just Like My Ex-Girlfriend by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      Bet she would not like to hear that :P

    2. Re:Just Like My Ex-Girlfriend by RsG · · Score: 1

      And just like my ex, if you want to do any business in her, you need to pay the mob...

      (Note: the above is purely in jest; everyone knows /.ers don't have girlfriends :-P)

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  6. How to solve the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Fortunately, this is an easy problem. You just have to flip the crabs over and then attack the weak spots for MASSIVE DAMAGE.

  7. Crab problem? by winmine · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should take a cue from Ancient Japan and flip them over and attack its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE.

    1. Re:Crab problem? by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Replying to his video Mr. Troll. What's with the overuse of "laughing out loud" anyway - isn't this term getting beyond lame *chuckles* ((hugs)) >>>Go FistfuckYourGrandmother ? Love Orifice Licking do ya? Like Orgasmic Livers? Lost Orange Lips? LOL!

      Check the fuckers link, dumbshit.
      Or did your brain blow another fanboy artery over the Wii?

  8. Lord of war by mfaras · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess the guy was selling them weapons to kill all the sealife!

    Yuri Orlov is the guy from Lord Of War

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  9. Obligatory by megaditto · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, crabs get you.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Phroggy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wow, a Soviet Russia joke that was actually funny! I'm shocked.

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    2. Re:Obligatory by gi.net · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Obligatory by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      Ya know they have a cream that will clear that up in no time.

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    4. Re:Obligatory by mwilliamson · · Score: 1

      Dude, stay out of the red light district.

  10. Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Hrshgn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Research already showed that those guys are quite temperature-sensitive. It is rather unlikely that they will be able to leave the artic water and reach as far as Gibraltar.

    1. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't even manage to get past Danmark or Germany. As far as I know they also need fairly clean water...

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    2. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It will be the same old story as the Black Sea and the Rapana sea snail in the 1970-es. Or the Elodea water weed and the european riverways in the late 19th century. These were thought to be the doom of all sea and water life respectively. It did not happen.

      Initially introduced species thrive and go through a growth explosion. After some time their growth drops and they stabilise at some level or even die out to a near extinction. There are multiple reasons for this. First of all nearly all introductions are done with a limited gene pool. If fresh blood is not introduced, problems from inbreeding will quickly erode the invaders advantage. For example the Rapana when introduced in the early 1970s in the Black Sea seamed invinsible. By mid 1990 it nearly disappeared.

      Even if the invader "vitality" is not lowered by inbreeding, the ecosystem still balances itself. Diseases adapt to new targets. Predators adapt to new victims. Life goes on until a new equilibrium is reached. End of the day invaders usually wipe out only species with which they are in a direct competition and which occupy the same ecological niche. Off the top of my head I cannot think of anything which occupies the same niche in the Arctic. Further south they will have to fight it with the common lobster. This will definitely suffer.

      Dunno, I have seen two such "doom" events in the Black Sea with the introduction of Rapana and Yellow Sea algae and they both came to pass. So will this if we do not poke it at the same time.

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    3. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by tancque · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They reproduce quite fast, so they only need a short time to adapt to the higher temperature via natural selection. And as the sea-bed will go to waste, the presure to move south will increase, promoting adaptation. It will be intresting to follow the process.

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    4. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Don853 · · Score: 1

      If this were the case, we'd be finding the Alaskan variety in California. I could be wrong, but I don't think this is the case.

    5. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno, I have seen two such "doom" events in the Black Sea with the introduction of Rapana and Yellow Sea algae and they both came to pass. So will this if we do not poke it at the same time.

      FYI: "Came to pass" means "happened". From context, I think you might mean the opposite.

    6. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by tancque · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that this is an introduced species with as yet no predators and other natural systems which control a population. The Alaskan variety is part of an established ecosystem. The european crabs have as yet the seabed for them self. I can not think of a species that is big enough to pray on adults, but maybe on the eggs, if they are not carried around by mother (of father)

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    7. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by miller701 · · Score: 1

      Well with global warming moving warmenr water north, that'll stop them in their tracks. :-)

    8. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tell that to Australia.

      Australia is living proof that these doomsday population explosions CAN AND DO HAPPEN.

      Just because it hasn't happened yet in the Black Sea doesn't mean it won't. Such logic is dangerous, and needs to be taken with a *huge* grain of salt.

      It's better to err on the side of caution. If you do so, the worst thing that could happen is that the crabs get fished into extinction in the region, and we end up being no worse off than when we started.

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    9. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by dalutong · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know of any water-based problems, but there have been plenty of stories of foreign species destroying local populations. The most recent story I've read is about poisonous toads in Western Australia that kills crocodiles (or is it alligators?) who eat them, and many other things. They now have so many they can't get rid of them.

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    10. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by lee7guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, the aboriginals should have bashed the white devils heads in as soon as they sat foot on the "new" continent. The same goes for the native americans.

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    11. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by rmgrotkierii · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tell that to the Great Lakes with their problems with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamprey and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_mussel. Really wish they would die off. And I wouldn't want to drink from the Great Lakes either, especially from Lake Ontario - the open-air sewer for Rochester and Toronto. Though they are trying to clean the lakes up.

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    12. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by brewer13210 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you please tell this story to the Japanese beetles chewing my raspberries and roses down to nothing? Here in the North-East US there seems to be a never-ending supply of those litter buggers...

      Todd

    13. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by maxpublic · · Score: 1, Troll

      Australia is living proof that these doomsday population explosions CAN AND DO HAPPEN.

      Yes, we all live in fear of the cane toad bringing a sudden end to civilization in an orgy of, well, cane-toady-ness. Not to suggest that the tired, overhyped hyperbole-laden whinging about "doomsdays" and such might be overstating the danger somewhat....

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    14. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by arivanov · · Score: 1

      I did not express myself clear enough.

      You have to take into account the size of the ecosystem as well. The smaller it is, the lower the "elasticity". Small, closed environments like lakes, islands, separated habitats with uniquely evolved life forms are quite prone to extinction events. There are plenty of examples like the New Zeland prehistoric giant eagle, Moa, the Dodo on Mauritius, so on so fourth. Once again, these are all relatively small ecosystems where the initial expansion can cause full extinction.

      A large ecosystem the size of the Arctic + North Atlantic has sufficient "elasticity" to absorb the initial impact and reach a new equilibrium. Even a much smaller ecosystems like the Black Sea, the Nile, etc have absorbed events like this so there is a fair chance that the Arctic will.

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    15. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "Tell that to Australia."

      I'm reallly not worried about a neo arctic luxury food that is really easily caught.

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    16. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      One can only wonder how different things would have been. we need the 'what if' machine.

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    17. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by waif69 · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying, if the logical conclusion is drawn out, is that mankind should self exterminate to save a species or more for a few more million years at best?

    18. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by masklinn · · Score: 1

      Look up "Caulerpa Taxifolia"

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    19. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by masklinn · · Score: 1

      Crabs have actual predators in their original ecosystem.

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    20. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the Cane Toad problem in Australia is not recent. I was astonished when it showed up as 'news' on slashdot recently. I remember watching a documentary about the Cane Toad menance back in the late 1980's.

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    21. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by G-funk · · Score: 1

      How are the Aboriginals supposed to bash any Native Americans? And why? What did they ever do?

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    22. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yes. But Australia's ecology was ripped to shreds recently (in evolutionary timescale) by the immigration of the ancestors of the Aboriginies, got futher ripped by European immigrants targetting local predators, and only then had new forms with explosive growth take up residence. It's like burning down a house, a week later seeing the wind knock down some partially-erect fire-charred timbers, and then talking about how the wind wrecked the house.

    23. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by arivanov · · Score: 1

      2000, 6 years so far.

      Not enough time to reach new equilibrium in a large aquatic ecosystem by all means. It took 30+ years for the Elodea plague to settle and European riverways to reach new equilibrium in the 19th century. In the places where a boat could not move like the river Cam you cannot see a single plant now.

      Similarly, the algae blooms in the black sea with the Yellow Sea algae strains took nearly 20 years to settle (and are in fact still settling, though there is obvious improvement compared to the 1980-es).

      Give it some time.

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    24. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      It's not doomsday for the world, but doomsday for that particular species in the environment. The species reproduces, and reproduces, until all of the sudden, the environment is suddenly unable to support the species anymore, and the species dies off, leaving a devastated environment in its wake.

      It was actually a term coined by mathematicians -- population models for species that are allowed to reproduce with no limits or caps to their population or abilities to reproduce until 'doomsday' -- that is, until the population becomes close to being infinite.

      The Wikipedia Article is written by much more knowledgable peolple than I. Go read it if you can get your head around the math used in it.

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    25. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Da3vid · · Score: 1

      Actually, Elodea is a huge problem where I live. We throw it on the shores to let it dry out and die. Still, the streams get clogged up and we lose water flow.

  11. Ban It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest the international community places an immeidiate and permanent moratorium on hunting crabs 'unless for scientific purposes'...

    Soon Japanese fishing vessels will be serving up crab to Tokoyo's hungry cats and dogs...

    Somebody will need to let Green Peace in on the secret though...

  12. The solution by ChowRiit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite the fact it is suggested in jest above, the best solution to most pest problems normally IS a culinary one. These crabs are definately edible, crab is considered somewhat of a delicacy to many (personally, I'm not a fan, but there are loads who love it), so all you need is to agree to remove quoats on this particular animal, or some similar arrangement, between Norway and Russia (the most challenging part) and start to push crab meat as a new big seller in the area.

    New Scientist have an article on the subject of eating through invading species, although you'll need a subscription to read it: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg187251 61.500.html

    1. Re:The solution by hazem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I seem to recall an article on NPR once about the state of Louisianna issuing free cookbooks for cooking nutria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutria) because they were breeding so fast. They resemble a beaver with a rat's tail.

      The best I can find about it is: http://www.nutria.com/site9.php

    2. Re:The solution by mnmn · · Score: 1

      If there will be a species multiplying uncontrollably, I'd rather it be a good-tasting one.

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    3. Re:The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so all you need is to agree to remove quoats on this particular animal, or some similar arrangement, between Norway and Russia (the most challenging part) and start to push crab meat as a new big seller in the area

      In other words, introduce humans into the ecosystem? Please consider less harmful alternatives, such
      as covering the entire region in 16 feet of concrete, lead, and crude oil and then continuously detonating
      nuclear devices on top of that until all the crabs are gone.

    4. Re:The solution by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1
      Louisiana is great. Cajun cooking involves, basically
      1. Fry up some onions, peppers, and celery
      2. Find something living in a puddle and put it in the pot
      3. season to taste.


      Mmmm-mmm, thems good eats.
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  13. Always a bad idea by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is just another entry in the long list of 'we probably shouldn't have introduced this species into this environment' stories. Kind of like introducing Rabbits into New Zealand, or Foxes into Australia, or a myriad of other examples. They end up thriving and taking over, to the detriment of the various species that were already there.

    1. Re:Always a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would european count as a species in this case?

    2. Re:Always a bad idea by servognome · · Score: 1

      Kind of like introducing Rabbits into New Zealand, or Foxes into Australia, or a myriad of other examples. They end up thriving and taking over, to the detriment of the various species that were already there.

      Why is that necessarily bad?

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    3. Re:Always a bad idea by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      It isn't necessarily bad, but it could result in a massive population reduction of other species...

      ... including Homo sapiens.

      Maintaining what has been the status quo for thousands of years is seen as being much less likely to have that kind of effect.

    4. Re:Always a bad idea by nosfucious · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rabbits that were introduced in to Australia have been an environmental nightmare.

      In certain conditions they populate so quickly you'll end up with a plague. The munch on all available grass and low level plants. Just leaving sand and soil behind. This valuable topsoil then gets blown away by wind or the occasional storm. Their burrows collapse and cause further run off problems after storms. Much of Australia doesn't have huge trees to bind the soil together. That's just one aspect.

      It only took a few rabbits too. Released just near Melbourne. Now they're all over the place.

      Mice (at times), Cane toads, Crown of Thorns starfish are all big problems. Foxes are a concern, but not on the same scale, or is that Tassie only? Domestic and stray cats are just as bit a problem in outer suburban/semi-rural areas, going after the native birds and small animals.

      All systems will find an equilibrium. Trouble is, that (nearly) isolated systems such as Australia don't have the natrual competitors for introduced species. They would form over time, just not in the short term that we live in and see. Foxes were introduced to try and get the rabbits, Cane Toads to get the Prickly Pear. They just caused thier own problems.

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    5. Re:Always a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rabbits that were introduced in to Australia have been an environmental nightmare.

      But soooooo cute!

      Prevent Hare Loss - Adopt a rabbit!

    6. Re:Always a bad idea by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      I know an old woman who swallowed a...
          fly...
          spider...
          mouse...
          cat...
          dog...
          cow...
          horse...
      She died of course.

    7. Re:Always a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you teach the plague of stray cats to eat the plague of stray rabbits? Silly POHMs.

    8. Re:Always a bad idea by Like2Byte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's talk about the solution the Aussies took to rid themselves of the rabbits - Biological Warfare.

      The decision to use rodent specific biological warfare (rabbit specific viruses and diseases) is debatable. However, one thing is certain - the rabbits and the viruses/diseases were all "contained" within the continent of Australia.

      Using biological warfare against these crabs would be a very bad idea. Oceanic currents would easily carry any bacteria/virus/agent all over the oceans of the world. Non-invasive, non-targetted species would be affected and potentially decimated by, once again, 'man playing God.'

      I've got to agree with the first significant post on this thread: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191060 &cid=15711090.

      If countries were to lift quotas in certain regions for a while we could fish them to extinction in areas the crabs don't belong. Then there's the bonus of eating all that delicious crab meat!

    9. Re:Always a bad idea by barawn · · Score: 1

      Actually, I always thought the stupidest one was the introduction of the mongoose into Hawaii.

      It was introduced to control another introduced species: rats. Why they thought the already-proven solution of cats was too primitive for them, who knows - but the grand stupidity of the attempt is that rats are nocturnal. Mongooses are diurnal. The two species never met.

      So now there are rats and mongooses in Hawaii.

      That example just proves to me that humanity really, really needs to learn ecological engineering, because we're apparently too stupid to do this by instinct.

    10. Re:Always a bad idea by Alicat1194 · · Score: 1
      Foxes were introduced to try and get the rabbits, Cane Toads to get the Prickly Pear.

      Actually, cane toads were introduced to tackle the problem of a particular beetle/grub that was destroying the sugar cane crops (the grubs also being an introduced species).

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    11. Re:Always a bad idea by Alicat1194 · · Score: 1

      Just to add, the cactoblastus moth (no, I'm not kidding about the name) was introduced to deal with the prickly pear, and (for once) was actually fairly successful in doing so (not all introductions are bad, just the ones that aren't properly researched)

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    12. Re:Always a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's pretty dumb. They need to introduce bears! With frickin' sharks strapped to their heads! Everyone knows that killer bear-sharks eat rats AND mongeese!

    13. Re:Always a bad idea by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Rabbit meat tastes good as far as I hear. People it abck where i lived.

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  14. Desert? by Threni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only according to someone who catches fish, not someone with any kind of credibility. I think you need some double-quotes in there:

    Millions of King Crabs "Turn Sea to Desert"

  15. How do they catch them then? by Pzychotix · · Score: 1
    FTFA:

    "We can't use our nets or our deep lines anymore because the crabs claw them and ruin them," complains Arnulf Bertheussen, a fisherman in the Norwegian Arctic village of Honningsvaag.
    Seems like a not-so-great situation with a not-so-easy answer now. Aren't nets/deep lines the main ways to catch crabs en masse? Sadly, I fear no answer will come to us, since we're nerds, not fishermen (unless fishermen have become the new nerds of the century).
    1. Re:How do they catch them then? by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Informative

      True nerds watch the Discovery channel. They did a whole thing on Alaskan crab fisherman the past 2 years. YOu catch crabs in metal pots.

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    2. Re:How do they catch them then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You catch crabs in crab traps. You cook them in metal pots.

    3. Re:How do they catch them then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sadly, I fear no answer will come to us, since we're nerds, not fishermen "

      What, were we not only recently having a discussion on bacteria-grown carbon nanotubes?

    4. Re:How do they catch them then? by trewornan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Crab traps are known as "pots" - it's a technical term, and yes, mostly they're made of metal.

    5. Re:How do they catch them then? by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing metal pots are prohibitively costly when the crabs are two meters wide...

    6. Re:How do they catch them then? by 93,000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      After some research I have found that you catch crabs in bed. So you are correct -- as nerds we had no way of knowing this.

    7. Re:How do they catch them then? by snullbug · · Score: 1

      The word "pots" actually refers to huge cage-like traps that are rectangular prism shaped. The ones seen on the discovery channel's series on crab fishing are easily much larger than 2 meters in two of their three directions.

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    8. Re:How do they catch them then? by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, cages or baskets. They're called crab pots, but they aren't actually pots.

      You can do this yourself off the coast of many places in the U.S.; all you need is a) a boat (a small boat will do, such as a speedboat); b) an open-topped cage or metal basket; and c) chum (fish heads, fish guts). The fish heads/guts go into the 'pots', usually on hooks so they don't come loose. The pots are attached to ropes (anything that doesn't rot), and the ropes are attached to small buoys. You lay a dozen or so pots at a time; by the time you've put down the last one you're ready to go back to the first, which you can easily spot care of the brightly-colored buoy.

      So you zip on back and begin hauling on the rope as fast as you can. You do this because at this point any crab within smelling distance of the chum has crawled into the pot to eat the fish guts and gets a bit upset if the pot starts rising through the water. By pulling up the rope quickly you use the pressure of the water to keep the crab from climbing out of the pot. Keep this up until the pot surfaces, bring it into the boat, and pick out the crabs you want to eat. Throw everything else back. Repeat this process for the next ten or eleven lines. If you want A LOT of crabs and you don't have a small limit you can lay the pot again as soon as you empty it, then play round-robin until you get tired.

      This is the recreational way of crabbing. The commercial way is generally far more efficient. Both result in good eating.

      Max

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    9. Re:How do they catch them then? by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      I prefer to catch my crabs with actual pots baited with sticks of butter. Cuts down on time to the range top, and ultimately, the belly.

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  16. Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love by glowworm · · Score: 1, Funny

    "How will I ever get rid of my male jelly now?"

    Well, someone had to say it!

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    1. Re:Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      Nice Sig, get laid much?

    2. Re:Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      C'mon, he's on Slashdot and quoting Zoidberg's line about his inability to get laid. You probably don't need to ask that question.

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  17. Mmm... by Catastrophator · · Score: 1

    A sea full of crab dessert... *drool*

  18. HUGE! by famebait · · Score: 4, Funny

    The crabs weigh up to 12 kilograms (26 pounds) and measure up to two meters (6.5 feet) from pincher to pincher.

    -and this increases every time the story is told.

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    1. Re:HUGE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but that's just the crab's insecurity at work. They have size issues :-P

    2. Re:HUGE! by PMuse · · Score: 1

      Either that, or the crabs are growing.

      "[T]he crabs can grow to 22 pounds (10 kilograms) and measure 4.9 feet (1.5 meters) across . . ." (March, 2004)

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    3. Re:HUGE! by osgeek · · Score: 1

      How far away is Chernobyl?

  19. Crabs == oil by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Research already showed that those guys are quite temperature-sensitive. It is rather unlikely that they will be able to leave the artic water and reach as far as Gibraltar.

    It doesn't matter so much. For various reasons, including elevated water temperatures, fish stocks are gone from the sea quite far north. The crabs have been encroaching on the regions containing the last commericial stocks. Even Bergen and Trondheim, which were once great fishing ports, are dead and tropic species are occasionally sighted in the waters.

    With the quotas preventing the harvesting of the crabs, they are spreading more widely and more rapidly at an accelerating pace. Eventually the population will level off, but not before the last of the fish stock is ruined. The crabs pretty much wipe all organic matter from the bottom, especially tasty fish eggs. Without the eggs, there are no new fish. Without the fish, no fishing. Without the fishing, there will be no monied interests hindering oil drilling in the Barents.

    The Norwegians are in a hard place because of the oil and their ties to the petro dollar. They also can't risk pissing of the last western military power, Russia, over the oil either. They will eventually lose that game, unless they deal with the crabs. Open season and no catch limits on the crabs would give several enviromental and economic boosts to the region. They're quite good eating and can be sold for food, decimating them would help the fishing, but the crabs are just as good as materials for biofuels.

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    1. Re:Crabs == oil by gurutc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Aren't these the same crabs that make rich men out of entire crews who risk their lives working on fishing boats in Alaska?

      At my local grocer, I can buy a pound of king crab when it's on sale for around $20. I figure a 55 gallon barrel of these guys would weigh close to 500 pounds. Barrel of Sweet Light Crude goes for about $70. Barrel of Sweet Light Crab goes for $10,000. Hmmm... Is there some secret crab cartel, the Alaskan subsidiary of DeBeers, or maybe the Illuminati, arti-fish-ally controlling the market of my favorite crustacean?

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    2. Re:Crabs == oil by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

      Yeah. They're expensive as all get out. So the 'economic benefits' from harvesting are a bit of an understatement. But the point is that you don't have to eat them, just get rid of them.

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    3. Re:Crabs == oil by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the point is that you don't have to eat them

      I think the point was that he wants to eat them.

      I know I do. They're delicious.

    4. Re:Crabs == oil by aztec+rain+god · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now now, we cant be throwing food away!!

      Man (to Waitress): Morning!
      Waitress (In drag as a bit of a rat-bag): Morning!
      Man: Well, what've you got?
      Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and crab;
                          egg bacon and crab; egg bacon sausage and crab; crab bacon sausage
                          and crab; crab egg crab crab bacon and crab; crab sausage crab crab
                          bacon crab tomato and crab;
      Vikings (starting to chant): Crab crab crab crab...
      Waitress: ...crab crab crab egg and crab; crab crab crab crab crab crab baked
                          beans crab crab crab...
      Vikings (singing): Crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab!
      Waitress: ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a
                          Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with
                          truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and crab.
      Wife: Have you got anything without crab?
      Waitress: Well, there's crab egg sausage and crab, that's not got much crab in
                          it.
      Wife: I don't want ANY crab!
      Man: Why can't she have egg bacon crab and sausage?
      Wife: THAT'S got crab in it!
      Man: Hasn't got as much crab in it as crab egg sausage and crab, has it?
      Vikings: Crab crab crab crab (crescendo through next few lines)
      Wife: Could you do the egg bacon crab and sausage without the crab then?
      Waitress: Urgghh!
      Wife: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like crab!
      Vikings: Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!)
      Waitress: Shut up!
      Vikings: Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!
      Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon
                          crab and sausage without the crab.
      Wife (shrieks): I don't like crab!
      Man: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your crab. I love it.
                          I'm having crab crab crab crab crab crab crab beaked beans crab crab
                          crab and crab!
      Vikings (singing): Crab crab crab crab. Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!
      Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.
      Man: Well could I have her crab instead of the baked beans then?
      Waitress: You mean crab crab crab crab crab crab... (but it is too late and
                          the Vikings drown her words)
      Vikings (singing elaborately): Crab crab crab crab. Lovely crab! Wonderful
                          crab! Crab craa-a-a-a-a-ab crab cra-a-a-a-a-ab crab. Lovely crab!
                          Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Crab crab
                          crab crab!

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    5. Re:Crabs == oil by alshithead · · Score: 1

      As a bonus we get multiple Darwin award winners with the danger involved in harvesting this resource.

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  20. Error in the original post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Corrected: Millions of king crabs turn sea to dessert

  21. It's Iron Chef time by Vengeance · · Score: 3, Funny

    Today's secret ingredient is: *dramatic pause* *dramatic pose* CRAB INFESTATION!

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  22. Mod Parent Up by gurutc · · Score: 1

    Very nearly as funny as Monty Python's 'killer joke.'

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  23. Deja Vu by SchwarzeReiter · · Score: 1

    This reminds me to the story in the Frank Shatzing's book, The Swarm. Nice book actually, its like Dan Brown, but at least Frank has some idea about technology.

  24. May I be the first... by jbarr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...to welcome our new crab overlords!

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  25. Deadliest Catch by 1WingedAngel · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Discovery Channel had a wonderful show on last season about these very crabs called The Deadliest Catch. It was definitely worth watching.

    1. Re:Deadliest Catch by dafz1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm glad someone mentioned Deadliest Catch! I love that show!

      As a country seemingly lacking in AVAILABLE natural resource(oil in Siberia under miles of permafrost in inhospitable conditions isn't available), this could be a boon for the Russian economy. Also, with the introduction of crab quotas, there are a lot of out of work crab boat captains and crew in Alaska. Since they run so close to the Pacific side of Russia, I think most of them would be ok with "fishing" the Barents Sea.

      The downside is that this would lead to a price war, if the Russian king crab were put on the global market, which would further negatively affect the Alaskan crab fleet.

    2. Re:Deadliest Catch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am astounded that you can suggest that a) Russia lacks in available natural resources, particularly oil or b) Alaskan boats sail to the Barents Sea from the Pacific

      Russia is the third largest oil producer in the world.

      To get to the Barents Sea from Alaska, you would either have to sail south past California and Mexico, through the Panama canal, through the Gulf of Mexico and north accross the Atlantic past Iceland; or walk accross the Artic Ice; or sail across the Pacific, South past the Philipines, around India and through the Indian Ocean, through the Suez, the Mediterrean, and the North up the Atlantic.

      You see, Russia stretches 11 time zones, nearly half way around the world, and the two seas in question are at opposite ends, basically on different sides of the globe.

  26. 500,000 eggs at a time by corngrower · · Score: 2, Funny
    One female crab can lay 500,000 eggs at a time, of which one or two percent will become crabs.

    So what do the other 98% of the eggs become, if not crabs?

    1. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by gellenburg · · Score: 1

      Breakfast.

    2. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what do the other 98% of the eggs become, if not crabs?

      It's not often you see these two words together but 'scary omlette'.

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    3. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by coffeechica · · Score: 1

      Those 2% of surviving crabs need to eat something. And when you're stranded in a desert, eventually the point comes where your fellow crabs are starting to look rather yummy.

    4. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably they become lunch.

    5. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A snack for other sea critters.

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  27. Also Obligatory by catwh0re · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I for one welcome our new crab overlords.

    1. Re:Also Obligatory by tradiuz · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Craaaaaaaaaaaaab Peeeeeople
      Craaaaaaaaaaaaab Peeeeeople

    2. Re:Also Obligatory by Simon80 · · Score: 1

      YES! South Park reference!

  28. Just like SPAM ! by dvaldenaire · · Score: 1

    One female crab can lay 500,000 eggs at a time, of which one or two percent will become crabs..

    I read it many times in "why you should spam to develop your business"-style spam : "send 500,000 mails, if only one percent buy, you're rich."

    So it worked for crabs !

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    1. Re:Just like SPAM ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Spam and Crabs are irritatingly alike in more ways than one.

  29. So.. what we need.... by Churla · · Score: 1
    Is someone armed with lemons and guns that shoot melted butter...

    I have the man for the job!

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  30. Silly rabbit by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't knock the Australian rabbit plague. Got rid of all that damned Trix cereal, yes it did.

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  31. Another nail in the PS3 coffin. by Vo0k · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Who would pay $800 to fight a giant enemy crab on screen, if you can do it probably cheaper IRL?

    I wonder where their weak spot is.

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  32. Imitation fishmeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So with all these extra crabs we can now have imitation fish meat made with real crab.

  33. We're all in agreement, then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll make it official: At least at the top of THIS particular food chain is a picture of a man wearing a bib, and in one hand he's holding a knife with a dab of butter?

  34. So it's true. by Soygen · · Score: 1

    So it's true that you can't get rid of crabs by drowning them. :( Back to the drawing board.

  35. It was just a typo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should have said, "Millions of King Crabs Turn Sea to Dessert"... after all, they're grrrrrrrreat!

    1. Re:It was just a typo. by toomz · · Score: 1

      But that still doesn't make much sense. It should have said, "Millions of King Crabs Turn Sea to International Hors-d'oeuvre Platter"

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  36. This is a blessing, not a curse! by meburke · · Score: 1

    When I lived in Alaska, the ing Crab was pretty much over-harvested. Bottom fish, such as pollock, were then able to eat the small crabs before they became harvestable size. the Crab industry was in danger.

    Now, we have a different situation in the Barents Sea. There are not enough bottom fish to keep the crab population under control. I think I see a possible solution here that would revitalize the fishing industry for Norway and other Northern countries....

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  37. Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There are so many real things that he has done, no sense making it up.

    • Treason by conspiring to out valerie plame.
    • The gag order on Sibel Edmunds.
    • A deficit that was only beat by Reagan.
    • An invasion that has been horribly blundered leading to a civil war (following the CIA's prediction).
    • etc.etc.etc.
  38. CRAB BATTLE by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    crab battle!

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  39. Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes by georgeha · · Score: 1

    The Great Lakes have been infiltrated with Zebra mussels. They clog water intake pipes, and eat so much microscopic food that native fish populations are suffering.

    1. Re:Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, I had heard that the zebral mussel problem had tapered off somewhat, at least in Lake Ontario. The mussels filter plankton for nutrition, which helped to clarify the water, and the algae created by the mussels provided food for the local fish, and the growth of the mussel population plateaued, and fish species that were struggling are now doing reasonably well.

      Nature will always find a way to right what's wrong. It takes time, and we might not like the results, but it does get fixed.

      However, that being said, I don't have a link that backs up what I heard, so take it or leave it as you will :)

    2. Re:Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd agree with you, the first couple winters of the mussel invasion of Green Bay we had massive beaches (6 feet high drifts for 30 feet out) of dead and rotting mussels. But before that we had a lot of big freshwater clams...which are now gone. To me it looks like the mussels killed off the native clams, then died down to a level equivalent to the original clams somehow, either by body volume or nutrition requirements. The mussels are still there and will cut your feet if you swim barefoot. The water is also much clearer and the familiar giant mats of green muck are gone. Fish still seem to be around, but I never fished and don't know if it's worse. Overall it did improve the bay for boating and shore activities...it used to be a browny-green opaque soup but now it's sparkling blue.

    3. Re:Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes by FloodSpectre · · Score: 1

      I'm sure if we had more zebra mussels in Lake Ontario we'd be better off than we are now. Kodak (and others) have polluted that lake to the point where fishing is discouraged. The fish seem to have become poisonous and you can smell the pollutants in the lake for miles.

  40. Gibraltar, the southern tip of ??? by cavedwler · · Score: 1

    Sorry but, Tarrifa, Spain is the southern tip of Europe. Gibraltar isn't the tip of anything except maybe the Bizzar at Deva from the Myth novels...

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    1. Re:Gibraltar, the southern tip of ??? by idonthack · · Score: 1
      Spain is the southern tip of Europe. Gibraltar isn't the tip of anything...
      Gibraltar is the southern tip of Spain, you silly person. Linkety
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    2. Re:Gibraltar, the southern tip of ??? by cavedwler · · Score: 1

      Look at a map. Tarifa is the southern tip of Spain, NOT Gibraltar.

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  41. Difficult problem by whec32 · · Score: 1

    This one is kind of a tough one to tackle. First of while a single crab can lay hundreds of thousands of eggs at a time, ober 98% of the young will never survive. This is because when they hatch, crabs go through a neoplanktonic period. This means that the larva just drift around like little bits of plankton. This makes them prey to larger fish and perhaps even some zooplankton. Whether or not they can reach as far south as Gibraltar is unclear to me. They seem to be a very cold water type creature. I don't think that King crab have spread down to say Washington or Oregon (at least I haven't heard of it happening). This can be because of diffences in water temperature, or perhaps because of the direction of the currents which might prevent to larva from drifting that far. One of the things that we learn in the introductory level oceanography is that whenever a species in introduced, you run into some major problems. Once you reach the 400 level courses then the discussion becomes a little less black and white in some cases. There is a very small train of thought that in some cases, an introduced species can increase biodiversity in an ecosystem. One of the things that can happen when a species in introduced is that not only does that environment change, but also the species itself changes. I believe down in Oregon, a species of copepod from the western pacific had been introduced. It's moving up the Columbia river and is actually out performing the indigenous species. However you start to notice that there are some differences between this new species when it first arrived to the its present form, probably from cross breeding. Once we start moving into even smaller organisms, things get a lot more complicated. One of the things that we learned in Special Topics Ocean Biology is that the ocean is full of viruses that can create lateral gene transfer in organisms which can lead to the developement of new species.

  42. CRAB BATTLE!!! by Sgt_Astro · · Score: 0

    They'd better contact Solid Snake, I hear he has experience with this type of thing.

    CRAB BATTLE!!!!

  43. CRABS on a PLANE !!!!! by 97cobra · · Score: 1, Funny

    CRABS on a PLANE !!!!!
    CRABS on a PLANE !!!!!
    CRABS on a PLANE !!!!!

  44. my supermarket is lame :-( by r00t · · Score: 3, Funny

    No nutria. Just beef, pork, chicken, turkey, and seafood.

    I get hungry when I visit the zoo. Tasting is prohibited I think.

  45. What a coincidence! by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

    Just yesterday there was a shitload of Norwegian hog-ridin' fools doing 50 in a 65 on I-25 through Albuquerque, New Mexico and I too was thinking about open season on selected tourists.

  46. water-based problem: Caulerpa taxifolia by asynchronous13 · · Score: 1

    Here's one example of a water-based problem:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caulerpa_taxifolia

    Most likely it was accidentally introduced into the Mediterranean by the Oceanographic Museum of Monaco. But the director at the time spent all his energy trying to convince the public that the Museum was not responsible for the release, instead of trying to stop the spread of the invasive species. So now its all over the Mediterranean, with no natural predators in the area.

    When a few blooms of the plant showed up in California coastline, they took drastic measures to quickly eradicate it. They threw tarps over the affected area and injected chlorine under the tarps. Which killed everything, invasive or not. So far, they've successfully contained the outbreak in California.

  47. and there you have it, kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Gaia theory of how the earth self-regulates.

  48. From TFA by mugley · · Score: 1

    But, says Bertheussen, who is not authorized to catch crabs

    Believe me son, lack of authorisation is not going to help at all.