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Mumbai Bombings Give Outsourcing Community Pause
theodp writes "eWeek reports that the big fear of offshore outsourcing customers has become a reality: a major bombing attack in an outsourcing hub. In the wake of the attack, companies are considering their resources and preparedness. Despite understandable fears, people on the ground don't seem to think these latest attacks will have a long-term effect on the growth of India's tech sector." From the article: "The terrorist attack in Mumbai--and conflict between Israel and Lebanon for that matter--raise a series of questions for companies sourcing technology globally. Do you know the disaster recovery plans of your offshore services provider? Are their plans integrated with yours? And how prepared are these providers? "
I know /.ers aren't too pleased with all this outsourcing, but isn't this reaction a bit extreme?
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Maybe it's time to consider moving those outsourced tech jobs back to a safe, terrorism-free city like London, Madrid or New York.
How is outsourcing any different from sub contracting within your own country in this respect? Quoth the article:
Quite.
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Why do we always outsource to places that are stuck in eternal struggles. Seriously, when was the last time Iceland or New Zeland had some terrorist plot or civil war ensue.
Bombay, as in, Dr. Bombay. Then there's Dehli, which is now called ham-on-rye-joint-around-the-corner for some reason.
Three considerations, IMO, outweigh the rest:
* Telecom infrastructure
* Work process
* Geographical diversification
You need reliable telecom infrastructure for obvious reasons. You need good work processes for backup and the like, but even more so that if you lose the people on a project, somebody else can step in and at least understand what needs to be done. And you need geographical diversification so that, if worst comes to worst, there IS somebody else to step in.
To the extent you have those three, outsourcing or otherwise doing business in unstable places can be a smart risk to take. If not, you can be very badly exposed.
To err is human. To forgive is good system design.
So this article is basically saying "they just bombed a company, do you think our sources are OK?!"?
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One more reason to stay at work longer.
Im no indian, but i know that india is a HUGE country so that people there generally do not even hear about some things happening in other regions of it.
For your information a state of civil war is raging for over 20-30 years in its punjab region, yet it did not interfere with india's rise in it sector.
Governments are not idiot as to put silicon valleys, industrial centers in regions that are prone to any problems. But outsourcing enemies are idiot as to use every single shit for ranting against outsourcing.
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Two hundred innocent people are killed and people are worried that future events like these might cause an IT outage?
That's seems about on a par with worrying about doing business with Cantor Fitzgerald because they had an office located in the World Trade Center.
And what, exactly, makes people think that India is going to be more subject to future terrorist attacks than... well, you fill in that sentence any way you please.
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All major American, and certain European cities are under the threat of bombs, and not just normal bombs at that. You have the first world luxury of choosing from biological, chemical, nuclear and neurotic weapons. So why don't people speak about the threat to all technological and commercial sourcing?
/.? Are you all softbellies scared of getting outsourced?
So why the fuck is the bombing in Mumbai so important to
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Used to work as a customer service rep for Dell and they ALWAYS complained about speaking to those "indjin folks" and they were happy to speak with a "white" person. I can just imagine them waiting on the phone, then talking to an Indian and then something explodes from all the outbreaks of violence going on over there, not only will that piss the customer off even more, because quite frankly the people that called Dell were usually from the south there's a huge hint of racism, he'll probably keep calling again until he speaks with a "white" person and then make a rude remark regarding the violence that just occurred.
I trained my Indian replacement and found out later that she was working for 20% of my wage. Bring the jobs back home.
Come of folks. So the world's largest democratic country with the world's largest population of English speaking citizens has one city bombed and the US is going to rethink its direction to outsource technology workers there? Nope!
In fact, many of the export centers are not in the city center and were unaffected by this event. Knowing many Indians, those that were will be back up and running in no time flat no matter what it takes.
Now, there may be reasons to rethink outsourcing such as low productivity, higher costs, poor quality of work, and customer relation issues but this is not one of them.
The best wishes of many people in the US go out to every Indian and we stand in solidarity with the many many millions of peace loving, free citizens of that nation.
My first reaction to this was "I wonder how this will affect IT outsourcing?"
My second reaction was shame that that should be my first reaction, when I have friends and colleagues with family there.
Personally, I don't think this should have a practical impact on outsourcing decisions. India is a stable democracy; war may stir ethnic and religious resentment, but I don't see things changing overnight in a way that affects business. And even at intolerable levels, terrorist attacks have almost no actuarial significance.
On the other hand, China is frightening. It's not longer precisely accurate to call it a totalitarian state, but politically it is still a one party, non-democratic state. Mature democracies have a kind of dynamic stability, where individuals and parties change, but politics and policy don't shift that dramatically. Systems based on the authority of a single group may be superficially stable, but they are vulnerable to individuals or groups of individuals being replaced, or even just changing their minds. Put the nation under stress, and you could well have an ultra-ideological hard liner becoming supreme leader.
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Do you know the disaster recovery plans of your offshore services provider? Are their plans integrated with yours? And how prepared are these providers?
yeah ! Let's make a back up of our chief engineer's brain, just in case he gets blown to pieces, you insensitive clod!
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
Many people died in New Orleans, too, when Katrina blew and washed through. Guess what? Companies are moving data centers away from there, too. Is that wrong?
Plug in "hurricanes" instead of "bombs" for where you said "future events," and you'll get the picture, i.e., "that seems on par with worrying about doing business with a data center company because their center is located in a low-lying coastal area."
It's standard disaster planning to look at evolving environmental and political conditions and plan ahead. You may not like to think about it, but it's not any more callous than insurance companies making actuarial tables. The real point to take away isn't "don't do business with country X," but "don't put all your data or resources in one geographical location." And keep apprised of what is going on in the locations where you are operating. That's common sense, Dan.
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Yea... I am from India and this is the worst kind of FUD I have seen. Terrorist attacks form a much smaller risk then fire, floods and other hazards. A city capable of dealing with those can pretty much handle any such terrorist emergencies. This article is pure FUD.
The thing is that no company is going to move out of India because of this. The labour is still so cheap in comparison that they can afford the loss of machinery and, as cynical as it sounds, training new employees to fill the empty slots still costs less than constantly paying first world wages. The gains outweigh the risks on this.
"conflict between Israel and Lebanon" -- WTF? This should read "Israeli attack on Lebanon."
For the world to acknowledge that mayne not all Muslims are bad (just like not all Europeans or Americans are bad) but the ratio of bad to good is much higher in muslim populations.
I think if they spent far less time praying and more time working they wouldn't have as many problems.
No, it's "let's not amplify the personal tragedy to the point where it threatens to collaterally damage the lives of all of our employees and investors and everyone who does business with us, by being too stupid to take sensible steps to protect our business."
Or, as the adage says, "don't put all your eggs in one basket."
Get off my launchpad!
Security is one of the reasons why the US has a successful economy. If you are looking to open a business, are you going to do it where there are drug dealers and gangs on every corner and you need an armed security team 24/7? Of course not! You are going to open your business where you employees can make it to and from work safely.
The same can be said for a country. Right now, I'm willing to be there are not a whole lot of companies looking to open shops up in N Korea, Lebanon, Iran and Syria.
Stable governments are another factor. You don't need a MBA to know that what happened to white owned farms in S Africa could just as easily happen to your call center.
So while businesses may need to pay more to an American employee (or employee from any developed country), it is as much an investment in security as it is in the employees themselves.
That's my 2 pesos anyway.
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The dead are dead, and unless you have some unusual religious beliefs there isn't a lot we can do to bring them back.
... ... unless, of course, you don't WANT the outsourcing-led economic boom to continue. Some people don't, and indeed state their reasons for feeling that way at great length, in this forum and others.
What we CAN do, however, is try to minimize the ADDITIONAL harm done by this attack. If this attack also smothers their economic boom, the terrorists have won. So if we can help figure out how to keep the economic boom going, that's a good thing
To err is human. To forgive is good system design.
That is really what is at stake. Does India have what it takes to invade and occupy a country, any country, as a demonstration to their citizens and the world that they will not tolerate terror?
How does a country assure the world that it is working to make itself safe from terror? Has the Bush administration made the U.S. safe from terror by channeling Homeland Security money to Indiana Amish popcorn factories instead of container-by-container port inspection?
None of those are of any value if they are destroyed. You summed it up well: risk. Why the heck should I expose my project, my career and my company to such risk? Honestly, if you can't tell the difference between New York and a third world nation, I hope you're one of my competitors. :)
A major contingence plan you showed there guys.
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
Having looked at the posts, I feel everyone has concentrated on the terrorism risks of outsourcing. But for me the far more important risks when shifting work overseas are those that are non-political.
For instance, if you are moving your call centre overseas (albeit you would probably be the last company to do so). Can you trust that the telecom downtime will be negligable?
Or for any type of business. Is the local power supply reliable?
Both of the above examples are not simgle massive event but constant issues and be massively damaging to mantaining custom.
IMHO those are the types of concern that outsourcers should be taking into account when moving abroad.
Having said that I imagine that labour is pretty cheap in the Gaza Strip right now, but I dont think many companies will be moving in at the moment.
If this were really happening, what would you think?
if you think about it, this would make outsourcing cheaper. since the risks have increased, the prices will be reduced. i can see dollar signs in every fat, white, american middle-manager's eyes. people getting bombed in some third world shithole is a non-issue because they can be replaced so easily
Seriously, when was the last time Iceland or New Zeland had some terrorist plot or civil war ensue.
Geez, what are you, a goldfish? It's, like, barely five years since Saruman and his homebrew half-orcs set out to conquer the place!
Dude, what the hell is "outsourcing community"? I mean, we have Mac-communities, that have people who use Macs. We have Linux-communities, where people use Linux. We have things like gay and lesbian-communities, where people are of certain sexual orientation. Then what is "outsourcing community"? A group of people who... outsource?
Maybe they should outsource their community?
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But wait: One in 2,600,000 Americans die each and every day in automobile accidents! That can only mean we need to prepare for Armageddon!
It's still a damn concern. If you're placing work there, shouldn't it be relatively stable?
The only reason it's risen to this position in the IT industry is that they're adequate in
many situations and they're cheap. No concerns whatsoever were being applied to whether or
not the whole project would go up in flames because of a terrorist bombing over there or not.
Sure, it can happen here. It can happen anywhere, in all honesty, so long as there's people
willing to commit terroristic acts. It's just that it's slightly less likely to happen here
in the States and a few other relatively stable places right now. Outsourcing isn't about
business, per se, it's about greed and trying to eke out the very last dollar to show profitability
to the Street, LSE and other places like it.
It's no more sustainable than strip mining is. And considerations about how easy it would
be for someone to do this should be factored in, right along with the risks of IP theft,
confidential data leakage, etc. But very few doing the outsourcing stuff think of anything
but that bottom line cost- I know, I've seen it repeatedly. And it's very disturbing. I've
a client with some important financial services software that went and had his Java codebase
for the program "cleaned up" by a Russian firm. For all I know, they did a good job, but
since the nature of the program requires a trusted state, much like any system handling
classified data, the codebase in it's entirity is going to require an audit for backdoors, etc.
He is going to spend roughly 2/3rds of his "savings" in paying me to go back through and
audit the codebase for security reasons- IF he's lucky, it will be all he'll spend on this
escipade. I'm betting that there will be things that will positively need to be re-worked
as they almost always do in these outsource projects. This will mean a net loss
over what he'd have spent just contracting with a company with a security bond, accreditation,
etc.
For many things, offshoring doesn't make any sense whatsoever. This is not to say that it
is precluded or that they can't produce usable results. It's that people keep seeing those
dollars "saved" and never once looking at what the consequences that are also associated
with that price. It's damned well about time that we all do.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
...was attacked *twice*. It was a known target, as is NYC in general terms. Intel had always said it was prime for the second attack. People who continued to work there chose to work there, showing a rather naieve and la-la land view of things. And anyone may google for the rather...odd. chain of ownership and insurance coverage and EPA tidbits associated with the buildings there. they were about to be condemned, ultimate cost of controlled deconstruction was *astronomical*. then all of a sudden "out of the blue" the same buildings all got "attacked" and 'fell down". What a coincidence...
...creatures) is the other truly naieve thought process.
Money greed is the great blinder to most people, and trust in the established globalist political process(the established "parties" and top CEO class of
As to this subject in general,"outsourcing",combined with the "insourcing" of the vast herds, people who can't see that the US is being sold down the river by the top 1% elite are living in pure psychological denial. You cannot systematically destroy manufacturing, agriculture and IT, to keep forcing wages down, while cost of living keeps going up, and hope to retain anything like a robust middle class. People who say you can are either idiots or liars.
The proof is right there to see, we are right now at the highest debt levels since the great depression, and we have the lowest savings rates. We have the highest governmental debt, we have the highest bank exposure to derivatives, we have the most skewed P/E in the stock market, the dollar continues to drop in global worth, and etc, etc. Every true indicator says "this sucks bigtime", every talking head keeps pushing it-at least the talking heads in the ultimate employ of the top 1%.
So the globalist solution is to destroy even more jobs in the US by outsourcing them? Great for the bottom line of the top 1%, works just wonderfully, for everyone else, nope, it is unsustainable in the long run. They don't care if the ultimate outcome means the destruction of the US middle class, as long as they retain their mansions and servants and political power. You see, they get to own even more and larger mansions and have more servants and have even more political power this way, that's what greed does to people, and why megalomaniacs arrive at top political and economic positions. They become ruthless and uncaring, following their insanity, and will tell any lie to maintain their positions, or commit any act.
Any lie
Any act..
Neither New York or London are cities in third world nations which have hostile neighbors armed to the teeth; and that includes nukes.
Let alone a native population where the majority are poor, and seems to becoming increasingly resentful of all the money those rich coders are making.
Read some history books for what eventually happens in this type of situation. The outcome is never pretty unless everyone locally is invested with a piece of the pie. It's only a matter of "when", not "if".
A single incident may be FUD but 2000 years of ethnic conflict and the example of the BJP party running the country : attacks on Muslims, nuclear saber rattling, exacerbating caste conflicts, failure to help the poor continue to make India a dangerous place to do business. Any country ruled by an arrogant kleptocracy that promotes exporting it's people to bring back money is a failing country, just like Mexico.
also, there hasn't been much talk up to now about how disruptive to trade the loss of the World Trade Cenres really was. It seems like the concept is that American lives are worth mourning, but everyone else is just fodder and what matters is how they affect business... notably, American business; this concept is so deeply engrained that it isn't even visible, and the justifications in the reply to the parent demonstrate that.
I thought the article was extremely insensitive to the loss of life which occured; if the same had been said about the attacks in NY, the author of the story would have been flamed to hell, and it would never have made the front page of any blog, much less Slashdot.
If you don't want to expose yourself and your business to random acts of extreme violence in public places, then don't locate your self or your business in the places where the locals have a habit of setting off bombs in public places. These horrible crimes happen because the local leadership (i.e. the mullahs, not the government) encourages the people to do these things.
When everyone who is important decides not to invest money and resources in places where minor theological disputes are handled by putting bombs in public areas, then over the course of time those places will become poor, disinvested, and irrelevant to the world. Their peoples will become marginalized and unimportant. No one will invest there, no one will visit there, and no one will care when they are hit by the natural disasters that decimate the backward and uncivilized peoples of the world.
There's plenty of money and opportunity in the civilized world. Why bother to risk death and dismemberment by trying to make chump change off the barbarians?
Your attempt at irony is in extremely poor taste, even for a Slashdot nerd.
The peoples of London, Madrid and New York were murdered at random by monsters who came to those places from distant lands where it is common to settle minor disputes by horrific acts of violence. The peoples of London, Madrid, and New York had learned from their history the futility of attempting to settle disputes through mass murder. They developed civilized methods of conflict resolution like fair court systems. They restrained themselves from mass murder in ways that are completely unknown to the subhumans who came to these cities from the disfunctional lands with the intention of genocidal slaughter.
The resulting actions after suffering horrible murder by the citizens of London, Madrid, and New York against the peoples who come from disfunctional cultures are not racist or discriminatory, but reasonable and rational acts of self-defense from the people who come to their cities with the intent of murder. It is sad that the good, law-abiding, and civilized peoples who came to the great cities of civilization in order to escape from the madness of disfuctional societies suffer in the West due to the actions of monsters.
But, it is the responsibility of the good, law-abiding, and civilized peoples from the disfuctional lands to seperate the monsters from their own society when they arrive in the civilized world. If the civilized people of a foreign culture can not or will not isolate and neutralize the monsters who live in their community, then they all will bear responsibility for the crimes that these monsters commit against the rest of the citizens. The entire community will suffer. That is the way that the world works.
The citizens of the cities that have suffered from the crimes that subhumans commit are not responsible for their inability to tell monsters from civilized people among those have come to their cities from distant lands.
is poor, desparate men and women with nothing to lose. Take someone, give them a job, a family and a future and see how eager they are to plant bombs on trains. That said, in 20 years when America's job market is flooded with 30 million+ (now legal) immigrants working for $5.15/hr, india and china's industrialization has drivin gas up to $10/gallon and a loaf of bread is $5-$10 dollars, expect to see random bombings and shootings here too.
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Just another example of the high costs- physical, economic, psychic- of having a large Muslim population in your midst. Israel suffers from it for dispossesing the Palestinian people- mainly the Muslim flotsam and jetsam of imperial Turkey, resettled in Judea from Egypt, Circassia, and the Balkans during the Ottoman Empire's slow-motion collapse. Yet what of India, the victim of 1400 years of continual jihad aggression during which millions of Hindus were slaughtered or enslaved, tens of thousands of temples and monuments destroyed, and in the modern age two large sections of it carved out to make homelands for its invaders? Yet what did it do to deserve this enemy from without (Pakistan and to a lesser extent Bangladesh) and within (150 million Indian Muslim "citizens") besides succumbing in the end to continuous jihad aggression? And why are Western countries voluntarily replicating the same conditions for themselves by allowing millions of Third World Muslim colonist-invaders into their midsts?
Putting aside emotional reactions which would cause me to make comments like: "people are dying and yet you are thinking about IT infrastructures"... (I am an Indian, and have lots of relatives and friends in Mumbai). I know that life went on after the blasts. I know that the big IT companies in India are world leaders when it comes to having processes and procedures concerning their business. (I am in the IT industry myself). In my experience, most of the clients that I have worked with have had little or no processes themselves. So, it is unfair to think of this in a light where India (the country being out-sourced to) needs to have back-up plans, and disaster recovery procedures. Anyway, I think that the whole world is fair game for terrorist activities (terrorists being what they are), so we should be discussing about these procedures, plans, etc. at a global level. - Vaibhav
you won't be buying their product.
Who are they? I won't be buying from them either.
Let's boycott the fsckers until they bring the jobs back.
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When WTC happened, did any of you crack jokes like this? Neither did I see any such remarks on /. after london bombing.
/. has become so infested with racism over period of time. I can understand some of the faggots in the audience here, but I wonder why the editors have to post such controversial stories? This is lame, guys!
But who cares if 200 ppl died in some poor coutry, eh? Actually, they deserver that, didn't they? After all, they are taking away our jobs and they deserve every bit of pain they suffered when those bombs went off.
New Zea Land Population - 4 Million
India Population - 1 Billion plus
New Zealand Per Capita Income - 24K
India Per Capita Income - 4K
as compared to
US Per Capita Income - 41K
My guess is all of New Zealand's spare capacity in IT field can be absorbed by GE in less than a year.
PS: Guess which country is more attractive in terms of population and cost/benefit. These might overweigh the security risks (if they can be mitigated).
I know the salaries of people in technology field in India are quite high, but they will start getting depressed when competition opens up (Brazil, Russia, China and maybe New Zealand).
I thought they has Cloven Hooves!
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well, I understand their reasoning, just don't agree with it. They make more money short term by short changing on support or lowballing on components to cheap crap. Long term is a different matter entirely, people could easily get soured on them and go shopping around on their next machine, leading to "slumping sales" and "the board" and "investors" not understanding why this is so. Tell ya what, make "the board" jump through the same hoops and not get preferential treatment when THEY have an issue, things might change. It's a lot like hollywood multimillionaires in the MAFIAA not "getting it" why people thinking 20 bucks for a plastic disk is a ripoff-no realistic frame of reference on what 20 dollars is to joe sixpack...Here's a real world example, detroit in the 70's, lost a ton of market share by making throw away break easily vehicles. Just didn't "get it" that people were starting to get tired of paying for grade C quality and rank mileage.(I used to be in the UAW there and can attest to this disconnect, both management and rank and file workers had it in spades then, pure cognitive dissonance) One or the other customers might put up with,if the price stayed cheap,but BOTH combined with nutso pricing hurt detroit to this day. But back then, according to about every other human I discussed this with, I was "wrong". Sure would be fun to go track down some of them arrogant dudes and have the same discussion today! hahahaha!
Personally, I think for non techies, they are much better off to go to the closest reasonable whitebox shop and get a new box there(even if it is 50$ (whatever)more than a name brand like Dell), then they know exactly where tech support will be. And frequently the whitebox guys wil help them setup a scosh better functionality and security at the same time and not include a ton of spyware at first boot...That's what I tell folks when they ask for a recommendation, if they aren't comfortable assembling their own machine from components. Do a local business-nerd a favor, keep the money local, solve your probs local, everyone stays loyal to each other = much better situation all around, generally speaking.
Even if we were one thirtieth of what we know we are, that thirtieth is more than enough to trample over all the rest of you, make you bend over backwards and shit up your nostrils.
Hell no. It's more like karmic justice delivered in an explosive package.
Extreme would be repeatedly turning the whole subcontinent into glass 24/7/365.25, even after the jobs returned to the nations that lost them (you'd only have to level the primary job theft centres enough to discourage rebuilding, not level the nation for eternity).
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Disappointing...nothing worse than a geek scorned.
The only thing this might show is that you should never put all of your outsourcing eggs into a single basket. You need to spread them around.
Their bodies were physically in the UK but the hearts, minds, and souls were in the same distant land that their mullah came from. Their mullah convinced them to murder random fellow citizens. English people don't go around convincing other English people randomly in order to serve the demented and paranoid fantasies of bizarre religions.
My point is that there were many people in the Islamic community in that English town who knew that these guys were insane and dangerous. But they said nothing, either because they were afraid (not likely) or because they were in sympathy with the criminals due to a misplaced sense of religion. They, the people who knew and didn't warn, are the ones who are responsible for all of the bad laws and unwarranted arrests and suspicion that befell the English muslims after the bombings happened.
You either are civilized or you're not. If you are, then you have a greater loyality to the other civilized people of your community regardless of their race and nationality. And you don't owe the murderers anything, least of all silence, even if they are part of your church or mosque.
I am so tired of chickenshit Slashdotters telling me that the main points of my arguments are invalid because of irrevelevant details are obscured.
Grow up.
What creates terrorists is a belief that their own cause is right enough and that the personal rewards will be high enough that they are willing to sacrifice others (and/or their own) lives in actions that defend or further their beliefs. The causal beliefs can be political, religious, or economic in nature or due to simple irrationality. Any particular slight against the belief can then be a trigger for the resulting action. Today, religion seems to be the cause of most irrational actions. Read Sam Harris' The End of Faith for more on the psychological basis of terrorism and other irrational actions.
That is all.
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The simple fact is that we cannot find enough qualified people in Cleveland
It's not like you couldnt tap from some of the talented graduates that come from your own backyard.
If you still have the urge to play the zero-sum game known as offwhoring, try sending it out to the people down I-71 (Columbus, Cincinatti).
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or the architects, not the grunts. By themselves they're relatively harmless nutcases. Besides, it's not the Osamas or Jackels of the world that inspire true terror, it's the innocent looking guy that pulls up in a car and blows up.
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"My guess is all of New Zealand's spare capacity in IT field can be absorbed by GE in less than a year."
New Zealand's spare IT capacity is 0. In fact Immigration New Zealand keeps two lists (long and short term) of areas where there is a shortage of skilled people. If you are qualified for a job on that list it is easier for you to get into New Zealand. Anyway every area of IT is on that list. If you want a job in IT maybe you should look there.
I would say that the U.S. government and political system is creating a situation where the U.S. is so hostile to buisness and industrial production that it creates every incentive for outsourcing. If you see buisness as inherently bad, if you see factories as scourges on the earth, and create a whole slew of legislation, laws, restrictions, inspections, designed to restrict, punish, and discourage industrial production and productivity, well then how can you be suprised when people aren't in a big hurry to get the hell out?
The government is there to protect us from the excesses of capitalism. That is because corporations in the past worked us 7 days a week and 12 hours a day, including children. That is because corporations used to dictate that you live in the corporate housing and buy from the corporate stores and made sure that your pay never exceeded your rent nor your grocery bills, all in an attempt to make you their virtual slaves. That is because corporations used to hire armed thugs to intimidate or kill anyone who even thought about improving conditions for corporate workers. The people eventually forced the government to step in and change all that. And our businesses have become the best in the world despite all these "hostile" regulations regarding workers.
But, let's see how the situation actually is today... The President is a former corporate businessman with an MBA. The Vice-President is the former CEO of Halliburton. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is a former corporate lawyer. The congressional leaders of both political parties are owned by corporations. In fact, corporations are known to write the bills that Congress passes into law. If the "U.S. is so hostile to buisness", then I certainly do NOT see it.
The reality is that corporations have the government in their pockets. The corporations decide what laws get passed and which fail. That is why you can no longer declare bankruptcy, because the credit card companies didn't like that. That is why you can't buy drugs from Canada where they are cheaper, because the drug companies didn't like that. That is why auto emission standards haven't improved in decades, because the oil companies didn't like that. That is why we haven't had an increase in the minimum wage in 9 years, because no company wants that.
No, your reason for why companies choose to outsource rather than automate is completely incorrect.
So it is fine that political dissent is quashed, Filipino maids that are mistreated are executed because they defend themselves, and that small time croocks are executed for passing a bit of drugs?
You sir are an egotistic idiot.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Who has killed between 20000 and 100000 Iraquis (you pick between the optimists and the pesimists, one innocent person killed is one too many) by random acts of violence? (unless you believe all the propaganda about how precise the bombs are. Tell that to realtives of people killes in such horrific acts of terrorism as celbraing weddings or funerals).
And who dropped Napalm in Vietnam like if it was talc?
I agree with you about something tough: " it is the responsibility of the good, law-abiding, and civilized peoples from the disfuctional lands to seperate the monsters from their own society when they arrive in the civilized world".
Unfortunately Bush and Blair were not voted out. People on their countries have failed miserably to fullfill their resposibilities.
If you are going to launch yourself in such righteous tirades you better cover all your corners, your logical fallacy is so easy to debunk that is not really funny or challenging (it has to be done tough).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You should start living amongst some Muslim people.
All your stupid black and white generalizations would be immediately challenged by the reality of the humanity of the Muslim people, either in England or elsewhere.
I am an atheist btw, before you accuse me of something else in that goodies and baddies nonsense world you seem to inhabit.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
India is a huge country. Honestly, go and check a flufyy map for bunnies sakes.
In spite of having many problems thay are an stablished democracy, they are able to deal with their problems by the voting ballot.
Not only that, outsourcing is hppening to many other countries, India is the "outsourcing poster by" so to speak, but it is not the only one by any means.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.