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Keeping Time with a Mercury Atom

Roland Piquepaille writes "The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has announced that a new experimental atomic clock based on a single mercury atom is now at least five times more precise than NIST-F1, the U.S. standard clock. This mercury atomic clock 'would neither gain nor lose a second in about 400 million years' while it would take 'only' 70 million years to NIST-F1, based on a 'fountain' of cesium atoms, to gain or lose a second. But even if this new kind of optical atomic clock is more accurate than cesium microwave clocks, it will take a while before such a design can be accepted as an international standard. A ZDNet summary contains pictures and more details about the world's most precise clock."

153 comments

  1. unfortunately by legallyillegal · · Score: 5, Funny

    syncing to time.singlemercuryatom.nist.gov doesn't work yet.

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    1. Re:unfortunately by uglydog · · Score: 5, Funny

      maybe it's been /.ed?

    2. Re:unfortunately by Sillygates · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for the wristwatch version.

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    3. Re:unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If we're going to be addressing individual mercury atoms, I don't think switching to IPv6 is good enough...

  2. 400 million years by gfody · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's easy to make impressive statements like that when you know nobody will be around to prove you wrong!

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    1. Re:400 million years by gardyloo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pfft. You'll regret saying that when the readers of the future see the article's 3.56*10^12th dupe.

    2. Re:400 million years by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's easy to make impressive statements like that when you know nobody will be around to prove you wrong!

      Complete nonsense. This isn't a "prediction", it's a mathematical number/time. Like any other number/time, you can easily convert it into shorter time-frames.

      1 sec in 400 million years is ==
          1/2 sec in 200 million years
          1/4 sec in 100 million years
          1/8 sec in 50 million years
          etc.

      That means it is accurate to 0.000000025ths of a second in 10 years... A more partical time-frame, which can be tested fairly easily.
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    3. Re:400 million years by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That means it is accurate to 0.000000025ths of a second in 10 years... A more partical time-frame, which can be tested fairly easily.

      How, exactly?

      Only test that I can think of would be to build two of these, plus a control of some sort, and leave them right next to each other for ten years. Only the control will be less accurate than the device you're measuring...

    4. Re:400 million years by evilviper · · Score: 4, Informative
      Only test that I can think of would be to build two of these, plus a control of some sort, and leave them right next to each other for ten years. Only the control will be less accurate than the device you're measuring...

      The same way they've been doing it for many years with current atomic clocks... You don't just have a single clock, you have a BANK of numerous atomic clocks, and use statistical sampling to correct drift. And establish a very, very accturate time base.
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    5. Re:400 million years by alexhs · · Score: 1

      What matters is that it's a clock with a 10^-16 s precision. Now I'm not sure how quantum physics needs that much precision.

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    6. Re:400 million years by pacinpm · · Score: 0, Troll

      And what happens when ALL those clocks loose second per million years at the same rate? You will not catch such error.

    7. Re:400 million years by Das+Modell · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's easy to make impressive statements like that when you know nobody will be around to prove you wrong!

      This man begs to differ.
    8. Re:400 million years by Shimmer · · Score: 1

      Think about it. If they all drift at the same rate, it's not drift.

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    9. Re:400 million years by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having a very accurate clock can let you do all kinds of interesting things. For example, if you find it easy to measure time VERY accurately, but difficult to measure very small distances (which we do) then you can set up experiments where time is an indirect measure of distance (as in, how long does it take this laser beam to travel there and back?).

    10. Re:400 million years by tetromino · · Score: 1

      1 second in 400 million years is an impressive number for the journalists. What they really mean is that (I am assuming here that clock drift behaves like a random walk function) that the clock is expected to drift by less than 15 microseconds per month.

    11. Re:400 million years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha ha what? you mean like if I build a bank of clocks that I've calibrated 1 second as being a certain number of particles emitted from a radioactive material, that as the material ages, that the clocks aren't becoming inaccurate, time is just slowing down? or rather that the universe around my clocks is speeding up?

    12. Re:400 million years by John+Nowak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't do that. Given a bank of 10 clocks, you'd have a 0.09765625% chance of them all losing time -- And then, not even at the same rate, so you'd not lose even a full second. Given a bank of 100 clocks, 7.8886090522101181e-29% percent. It's not really a problem.

    13. Re:400 million years by viking2000 · · Score: 1

      accurate to 0.000000025ths of a second in 10 years... A more partical time-frame, which can be tested fairly easily.

      So how do you actually test this?????
    14. Re:400 million years by evilviper · · Score: 1
      And what happens when ALL those clocks loose second per million years at the same rate?

      If something so ridiculously improbable as that happens... testing the accuracy of a new type of clock will be the least of your concerns.
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  3. Great news for D-Link by GreggBz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great news for those mission critical D-Link routers!

  4. One small problem... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    So you're going to trust a single mercury atom to keep time acurate for 400 milliion years even though the half-life is only 444 years? Oh, wait a minute. The planet Mercury is being used for this new clock. For a split second, I thought we had a serious technical problem.

    1. Re:One small problem... by enrevanche · · Score: 4, Informative
      i'm sure that they use a stable isotope.

      the isotope you mention (194) is synthetic anyways

    2. Re:One small problem... by scapermoya · · Score: 1

      congratulations, you fail high school chemistry regressively.

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    3. Re:One small problem... by oskay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The clock is based on mercury-199. Yes, it's a stable isotope.

  5. Only problem is... by mrjb · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're treating time as if it were something absolute.

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    1. Re:Only problem is... by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Relativity doesn't make clocks less useful, in fact it makes them more useful (because you can use them to figure out how fast you are going as well). And assuming that the clock remains under constant acceleration there is no reason to believe that relativity would make it less accurate.

    2. Re:Only problem is... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      A clock in only accurate within its own space and time. For example, moving this clock to another area of the universe may slow or speed it up. However, say you are in the same area as this clock...would you notice the change in pace? No. The only way to measure change is against another point of reference such as another clock located in another part of the universe.

      Don't you just love relativity? ;) It's a topic which defines nothing being absolute.

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    3. Re:Only problem is... by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 1

      I didn't say you could do it with a single clock. And it's "frame of reference" not "space and time" there are many frames of reference, and only one space-time.

    4. Re:Only problem is... by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 1

      ha ha ha! Would you like me to give you a lecture about distance in Minkowskian geometry? Or perhaps a quick introduction to Riemann manifolds? Take a class ... you make me smile, I have been to way too many classes as it is.

    5. Re:Only problem is... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That an it will help prove my Theory that there is a black hole in time here on the planet earth. AS we age we accelerate towards the black hole and therefore experience time distortion. Think about it. As a child summer took F-O-R-E-V-E-R. As a Teen it took about what felt like the right amount of time. As a Young Adult in college it seems like summer was shorter than normal. A person in their 40's summer feels like about 3 weeks and other effects of time distortion take effect.... Week-ends feel like they last ony a single day. And the inconsistancies also start showing as the time gravitional waves pass by you. A work week seems like it took a day to pass while a co-worker next to you in the same age bracket feels like it took much longer.

      As you get near your 80's the gravity of the black hole starts tugging not only at your time harder by at you in physical ways. Your skin starts sagging, you break bones easier because of the greater gravity in the physical dimensions.. How many people have heard old people complain it's hard to walk?? Huh! Observable proof!

      Mercury clocks would help here. We attach one to every newborn for a decade and then look at the time distortion as it happens so we can figure out how to defeat this terror.

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    6. Re:Only problem is... by Slithe · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Would you like me to give you a lecture about distance in Minkowskian geometry? Or perhaps a quick introduction to Riemann manifolds?

      Yes, please. I love free lectures!

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    7. Re:Only problem is... by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Oh god, please don't mention Riemann manifolds to me again. Those sucked. :(

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    8. Re:Only problem is... by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      So why the obsession over simple buzz words? You sound ridiculous correcting someone who says "Bob's space and time", when it is clear they meant "Bob's frame of reference".

      I'd rather not lecture on it; I hated the classes, and have lost most of my interest in physics (despite majoring in it).

    9. Re:Only problem is... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Riemann manifolds? Don't talk to me about Riemann manifolds.

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    10. Re:Only problem is... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      They're not buzzwords. They're physical terms with precise meanings. To paraphrase your objection in slashdot terms:

      You sound rediculous correcting someone who says, "I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday." When they clearly meant, "An email recently took over a day to reach me."

      Certainly it's not difficult to work out the meaning in either case, but I think you'll agree that to those familiar with the concepts in question, the former is extrememly grating to hear.

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  6. How much accuracy do you need? by tylernt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So... at what point do you say that a clock is accurate enough? I mean, yeah maybe this thing is more accurate than current technology, but if it turns out to be way more expensive, why bother? How often do you need the accuracy that current technology can't provide?

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    1. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by gardyloo · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by cyko500 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Bogart: Thugtor, why make rocks pointy? Waste too much time. Rocks already makes things dead good 'nuff.

      Thugtor spears Bogart.

    3. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      I was surprised it took the "why bother?" people this long to flourish out of the woodwork. I'm no physicist, but if it was pointless they wouldn't do it or it'd be some poorly-funded "just because" research project in a closet somewhere. See my sig for further details.

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    4. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by Detritus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We can always use more accuracy. Many communications systems rely on accurate clocks to keep the transmitters and receivers in synchronization. Frequency stability is also important for communications systems and test and measurement equipment. Any defects in the clock will degrade the performance of the equipment.

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    5. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Having accurate clocks on this scale isn't useful for synchronization, because there's more inaccuracy in distribution of the clock signal from the accurate clock to the transceiver, and more variability in the latency of the transmission than there is error in a standard atomic clock. Consider that modern communications within computers off-chip (and sometime on-chip) are asynchronous (the transmission is sampled to determine the bit synchronization, rather than the ends simply expecting to agree or have a shared reference), and that inaccuracy in GPS results comes more from variation in the speed of light in the atmosphere than the satellite clocks.

    6. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      The real point of the improvement isn't to give longer stability; it's that you can measure smaller units of time accurately with the new clock. A standard commercial cesium clock produces a clock signal at 5 MHz (and at 1 Hz), both extremely accurately. This is because, while the device is measuring an exactly 9.192631770 GHz frequency, this measurement can't just increase a counter each time; what it does is stabilize a quartz crystal oscillator, such that there is extremely little accumulating drift.

      The new clock measures a higher frequency, which means that it can accumulate enough ticks to produce a stable output signal in a smaller amount of time, so the output signal can be both accurate and at a higher frequency. It is incidental that the long-term accuracy is better; the point is that it is no worse, and that the frequency of macroscopic ticks is higher. That means that this clock can time shorter periods: if you want to find out how long something takes, you can only give the result down to 200 nanoseconds with a standard clock, but the new clocks will give you more detail. It's like replacing an essentially perfect yard stick marked in inches with an also essentially perfect yard stick marked in thousandths of an inch: you won't care about improvement in the measurement of a foot, but it'll help a lot if you want to measure the size of a pencil lead.

    7. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Think about direct sequence spread spectrum systems that use cryptographically secure spreading codes. The PN code generator in the receiver must be synchronized with the PN code generator in the transmitter for the receiver to be able to despread and detect a transmitted signal. There are also navigation systems that are designed on the assumption that the user has a very accurate local clock. A clock driven by a high quality cesium beam frequency standard can easily gain or lose a nanosecond per day. That's a noticeable amount of error. Most fixed sources of error, such as propagation delay in cabling and electronics, can be measured or predicted.

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    8. Re:How much accuracy do you need? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      So... at what point do you say that a clock is accurate enough?

      When you can snipe anybody at will on eBay.

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  7. Closed Season by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Roland is back with the accepted stories you wish you'd submitted, and no one is wasting time with any bullshit about how he's robbing us with his good editing.

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    1. Re:Closed Season by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      no one is wasting time with any bullshit about how he's robbing us with his good editing.

      Because the lazy editors at Slashdot don't care how he's gaming the system with his regurgitated stories. And he links to his personal blog, describing it as "a ZDNet summary". Could I link to my home page and describe it as a "Yahoo summary"?

      He's sleazy, but Slashdot deserves no better.

    2. Re:Closed Season by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Why should we care about any of that? How is his personal page any sleazier than ZDNet's summary? It's not. It's all bullshit.

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    3. Re:Closed Season by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      How is his personal page any sleazier than ZDNet's summary?

      His blog IS what he describes as "ZDNet's summary". The same link he spams in every one of his submissions.

    4. Re:Closed Season by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? The story has 2 links: one to the AAAS website with the original NIST PR, another to Piquepalle's page at ZDNet telling the story. So he submitted the story to Slashdot himself, rather than some random user submitting his story? His name is on it. It's not spam - you are the one reading the Slashdot page, clicking the links.

      Piquepalle is doing nothing wrong, except making Slashdotters jealous that he submits so many newsworthy stories. And gets some money without it costing Slashdotters anything, just like every other Slashdot story. And, I suppose, continuing to run afoul of Slashdot groupthink that attacks him with the same gusto with which it generates endless "Soviet Russia" posts.

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    5. Re:Closed Season by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Piquepalle's page at ZDNet

      As I've said twice already, he describes that as "a ZDNet summary". Instead of "my summary", because he wants it to seem more authoritative and less like a story he submitted himself with two links to his pages that he earns money from hits; that's "sleazy".

      continuing to run afoul of Slashdot groupthink

      I don't know why anyone else doesn't like him, I just find his submissions parasitic; he cribs stuff from other, original articles and cites himself as the source. It's not quite plagiarism, but pretty close. He's changed his style somewhat since the earlier ones, when he ONLY linked to his version of the stories he copied. That's what drew attention to him and why I treat him with suspicion.

  8. Why? by mh101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can someone explain why we even need this sort of precision?

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    1. Re:Why? by ComradeSnarky · · Score: 1

      Scientific experiments, etc. etc.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can somebody explain to me why this is modded Flamebait? It's a perfectly good question, to answer to which also interests myself. It seems impractible for use by the general public, let alone the scientific community. Anyone know?

    3. Re:Why? by Lazbien · · Score: 1

      Obligatory: Me Too!

      What's the practical application for something like this? Is this a "win" in the science category, or is this just another way of doing the same thing?

    4. Re:Why? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      If we forget the length of a meter we can use that clock to measure the speed of light accurately enough to know how large a 299792458th of the distance it travels per second is?

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    5. Re:Why? by (negative+video) · · Score: 1
      What's the practical application for something like this?
      Radar and lidar. The more accurate the instrument's clock, the more accurate its distance measurements.

      Also, gravity affects time, so you can use clocks and radios to measure the relative gravitational potential between two points in space. By sending a sufficiently good clock into deep space, we might be able to see if the solar system contains any dark matter.

    6. Re:Why? by bmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like the other guy said, radar, lidar, but also add navigation and land surveying. Longitude is determined by time difference between UTC and local time. If you make this clock small enough, and replace the current constellation of GPS satellites with new ones based on this type of clock, you increase the resolution.

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    7. Re:Why? by E++99 · · Score: 1
      Can someone explain why we even need this sort of precision?
      GPS for one. Others are mentioned in the article.
    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can someone explain why we even need this sort of precision?
      I just got off the phone with Bill Gates, and he agrees with you: "70 million years should be enough for anyone."
    9. Re:Why? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      That's true; we can measure how far light travels in a certain time more accurately than the converse.

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  9. How accurate is accurate enough? by Finnegar · · Score: 1

    While a 70 million to 400 million jump is quite exceptional, how long will this continue? Will anyone really want to use a clock that won't lose a second until AFTER the sun has expanded and burnt up the earth (~5 billion years)?

    1. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re : Will anyone really want to use a clock that won't lose a second until AFTER the sun has expanded and burnt up the earth (~5 billion years)?

      The current caesium clock would have drifted by 71 seconds while the mercury clock would have drifted by 12.5 seconds before the sun swallowed the earth.

    2. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      If the error is random, without skew, it may be more like 8.4 seconds vs 3.5 seconds.

    3. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by rwwh · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Scientific American once had a nice paper about time. I remember these two facts:
      • At an accuracy of 10^-17, the earths gravity makes that two identical clocks, one of which is 5cm higher up than the other one, will start deviating from each other (i.e. time really IS different 5 cm up, at this accuracy)
      • At an accuracy for 10^-17, relativistic effects start playing a role at walking speeds (i.e. time really IS different at walking speed than at rest, at this accuracy).
      I think 5cm and 5km/hour are reasonable usability limits, hence an accuracy of better than 1:10^17 would not make much sense to me.
    4. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by oskay · · Score: 3, Informative

      The 400-million year figure is still limited by technical issues, not fundamental physics. It is expected that once a few more calibration methods are tried out, that it will be able to reach its theoretical limit, which actually does turn out to be pretty close to one second in five billion years. In any case, these millions-of-years figures are not really practical-- they're just the way that clock people phrase things so that they sound good in the popular press. What really matters is that the precision that can be obtained in a much shorter period of time is much higher. Right now the mercury clock has errors at the level of about a second in 400 million years-- but a second is a lot of timing error! Perhaps a more useful (but equivalent) figure would be 2.3 ns per year, or perhaps you would rather use 44 picoseconds per week.

    5. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by E++99 · · Score: 1
      how long will this continue? Will anyone really want to use a clock that won't lose a second until AFTER the sun has expanded and burnt up the earth (~5 billion years)?
      How long a clock like this takes to lose a second is only relevent for the purpose of press releases. Although this new fancy clock doesn't lose a second for 400 million years, it loses a picosecond in just 4 hours.
    6. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by khallow · · Score: 1

      I think 5cm and 5km/hour are reasonable usability limits, hence an accuracy of better than 1:10^17 would not make much sense to me.

      There's always applications that will need better accuracy. It's not wise to draw the line here. Most of the human race probably could live with a clock that loses an hour every week.
    7. Re:How accurate is accurate enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this clock should give us 1 in 10^-17, with eventual enhancements up to 1 in 10^-18. At that point, it may actually be useful for mapping the shape of the Earth. Just plop it down somewhere, and measure its frequency against the standard to tell how much farther away it is from the Earth's center of gravity compared to the standard. It should also allow you to accurately measure things like tectonic shifts. Indeed, it might even be possible to measure shifts in the planet's center of gravity.

      dom

  10. How did they make the clock, and will it break? by aersixb9 · · Score: 1

    Why is it that cars break in 15 years, and most other things are extremely fragile, but this clock can last 40 billion years? Is it made from some kind of super-dense material? Why is the quality of this timepiece so great, and how is it made? It would be nice to have some technical information on how an ordinary person could manufacture a timepiece of this exact precision. Are the materials from a very deep mine? Are they hydrogen materials? Why is this clock so accurate?

    1. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      It would be nice to have some technical information on how an ordinary person could manufacture a timepiece of this exact precision. Are the materials from a very deep mine? Are they hydrogen materials? Why is this clock so accurate?

            *sob*

    2. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the logical design of the clock will last 40 billion years until it produces an error. I'm quite sure we will never design any sort of mechanical device can actually last that long to find out.

      //unless you socket it with a zod rune...

    3. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You build several clocks, and replace them as they fail.

    4. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It all sounds so technical and yet so dumb. So how can I make one too? the clock.

      AC

    5. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      Someone played too much Diablo II.
      What if someone removes the zod,cubing hel+tp scroll with the zod socketed item? (this is like asking if immortals can commit suicide,will they do it eventually?)

    6. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh my GOD, you are a moron. Not only did you get the numbers wrong, you have no concept of this issue whatsoever!

    7. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Ramble · · Score: 0

      "this is like asking if immortals can commit suicide,will they do it eventually?" As shown in season 2 episode 18 "Death Wish" of ST: Voyager, an immortal being (Q) will eventually commit suicide.

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    8. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I do have an answer for you. Most things break in a specific time span because of lack of maintaince + abuse.

      There are many cars from the 60's, 70's, and 80's on the road now that look fantastic and work great. While I can point at about 5-6 around here that are less than 4 years old that are on their last leg. Cars specifically suffer from the "what? I change the oil and put gas in it" syndrome. Cars need around $400-$1000US in maintaince every year and they do not get it. Most cars on the road do not get their proper service performed only oil changes at the cheapest place and gas added when needed. This significantly degrades the lifespan of the vehicle. Also not changing the service intervals compared to driving conditions. In areas of extreme temperature changes you should cut the time in 1/2 for oil changes. Michigan,Minnesota,etc... need the oil changed newrly twice as much in the winter months as the oil is cycling from 200 degrees to 30 degrees twice a day. transmission fluid and filter changes almost never happen in cars until something is wrong. etc...

      Cars fail because people do not know the real cost of ownign a vehicle. Now my mint condition 1986 Fiero GT will last about 2 weeks in the hands of my daughter. but I also suspect that a 2006 Corvette Z06 would last only 1 week in her hands, simply because of abuse. (Yes wrapping it around a tree is abuse)

      Laptops- Abuse causes failure. My daughter and I both have Dell D800 Laptops. Mine is still in near perfect condition except for shiney keys from use. Hers is missing keys, has a broken hinge, her trackpad has a dent in it, headphone jack is busted.... Simple abuse is causing hers to have problems while mine still looks new.

      Now, this clock CANT last 400 million years. It can keep time that accurate so that way it will not lose a picosecond in a decade which at that accuracy will give you the ability to have GPS systems that without DGPS equipment can deliver millimeter accuracy at every location on the planet. That is the use not something to see if the clocks are still accuate in 400 million years, but really accurate navigation for us here and spacecraft at the edge of the solar system. At least until someone start smashing the clocks, dropping them, spilling coke on them and not changing the oil.

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    9. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by aersixb9 · · Score: 1

      Isn't maintenance rebuilding the car? There exists things that do not break...doesn't there? And although most people can easily maintain and/or build a car, how is this clock maintained and built? The explanation I read didn't say anything useful, just a bunch of gibbrish, that perhaps I am too nontechnical to understand...how is it that one atom is isolated? Is my understanding correct that when a person speaks of 'atoms', they're actually talking about gasses? That is to say, when something is converted into atoms, (iron, for instance), it is first liquified over a flame, then boiled until it is iron gas. This iron gas is then said to be made of 'atoms', right? Or are atoms something else?

    10. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by avtchillsboro · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

    11. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Solution: let's start making all cars out of mercury.

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    12. Re:How did they make the clock, and will it break? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Please Please Please tell us that this is a joke.

      On the off chance that it is not, your understanding is incorrect. The phases you refer to (solid, liquid, gas) refer to the bulk properties of large quantities of atoms. The bonds holding them together are generally weaker as you go down that list and the densities generally increase as you go up the list.

      It would be a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and the word, "atomized" to state that something could be "converted into atoms." As Pauli would say, "not even wrong."

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  11. The only problem arises... by viking2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...from the Heisenberg uncertainly principle:

    The more precisely
    the MOMENTUM is determined,
    the less precisely
    the POSITION is known

    So this clock is unfortunately missing. And when it is found, it is not so accurate anymore.

    1. Re:The only problem arises... by pdxdada · · Score: 1

      It gets worce than that. How long to you think it'll take for that single atom to tunnel out of there. How embaracing would that be: scientists are finally on the verge of proving string theory in a spectacular, multinational, high precision experament when:
      Scientist1 "Sir the clock stopped, we seem to have lost the atom."
      Scientist2 "Well look around, it has to be here somewhere."

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    2. Re:The only problem arises... by jZnat · · Score: 1

      I think the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle also extends to other measurements such as force:time, inertia:time (if you derive that from position:momentum), etc.

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  12. I'm registering domain names now by shidarin'ou · · Score: 2, Funny

    400 million years in the future, my descendents will profit unthinkable amounts from their ownership of y400002k.com

    Just in case the religious right get a further hold on our country in the future, I've also registered jesuswillreturn400002k.com and (hedging my bets) spaghettimonsterwillreturn400002k.com

    but we all know that by that time, humanity will simply be slaves to the powerfully accurate mercury clock.

    So, I for one welcome our new mercury atom overlords, and remind them that mercyatomoverlords.com can be had for the steal of 6.7 billion dollars, should cover the cost of registering the domain up to that point.

    1. Re:I'm registering domain names now by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      You forget that COBOL will once again become the language of the future, and all the clocks will think it's year ** by then.

    2. Re:I'm registering domain names now by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Goddamn slashdot's filtering crap. Insert witty comment between the asterisks.

    3. Re:I'm registering domain names now by More_Cowbell · · Score: 1

      Dude ... spaghettimonsterwillreturn400002k.com is still available

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    4. Re:I'm registering domain names now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1 billion years the average temperature of the earth will be about 160 deg Fahrenheit.

  13. At school by tsa · · Score: 1

    Teacher: What! You're 15 attoseconds late! Again! Go stand in the corner!

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    1. Re:At school by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      But it's not my fault! I was running so fast that time dilation made my clock go out of sync, so I didn't notice that I was late!

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  14. but will it by p51d007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fit on my wrist??????????

    1. Re:but will it by kfg · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the device to enable you to see it won't.

      KFG

    2. Re:but will it by p51d007 · · Score: 1

      Drat! Where's my X-Ray glasses?

    3. Re:but will it by pontifier · · Score: 1

      It might, but if you move your arm at all you might as well just have a regular cesium clock on your wrist because you'll be losing any advantage you gain to relativistic effects.

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    4. Re:but will it by oskay · · Score: 1

      Of course not! It's an atomic clock, not an atomic watch! (Actually, the entire atom trap is only about 1 cm across. The problem is the three rooms full of support equipment.)

    5. Re:but will it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:but will it by gregor-e · · Score: 1

      Yeah, actually, it will - as soon as the mercury clock becomes the master timekeeper for WWV.

  15. Neat by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    How do you calibrate a new atomic clock, if you have nothing more accurate to compare it against? And if we have clocks that won't lose or gain a second in 70 million years, why do we need to develop one that won't lose or gain a second in 400 million years?

    1. Re:Neat by oskay · · Score: 1
      Calibration is a process that evaluates the possible sources of frequency shifts, measuring how strong each type of stimulus and response is. For example, how strongly is the transition frequency affected by magnetic fields, and how much magnetic field is there?

      It's actually the same procedure that's already used for the best cesium clocks-- there's isn't (or wasn't anyway) anything better to compare those to, and yet they've been making great strides forward for fifty years now.

      As for the second question, we're not running a clock for 400 million years-- what counts is that it's that much more accurate in the lab today.

    2. Re:Neat by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "How do you calibrate a new atomic clock, if you have nothing more accurate to compare it against?"

      A combination of the metric of fuckload of cesium clocks the world uses for official timekeeping and of known astronomical events. In other words, the same way we figure out UTC.

      "And if we have clocks that won't lose or gain a second in 70 million years, why do we need to develop one that won't lose or gain a second in 400 million years?"

      Because it takes 70 million years to lose an entire second. If, for example, you're trying to keep track of something that lasts for a billionth of a second (say, your CPU cycles), you miss one of them over the course of about 26 days.

  16. Is it just me... by Stompp · · Score: 0, Redundant

    or should I even care how many MILLIONS of years it takes a clock to get thrown off by an entire second?

    70 million years is more than enough time for me... Sounds like somebody needs more grant money to me!

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  17. I Know I'm Missing Something Here... by stuffman64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just curious about something here. If a second is defined to be 9,192,631,770 oscillations of a Caesium-133 atom, then why is it said atomic clocks are accurate to within a second over 70 million years? Isn't that lost/gained second itself defined by the Caesium atom's transitions? I hope this question makes sense...

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    1. Re:I Know I'm Missing Something Here... by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Sure it does. You just need to realize that what they really mean is "a second is that unit of time that we can measure by counting 9,192,631,770 occilations of a Caesium-133 atom", with the emphasis on the WE.

      Let's take another absurdly re-defined measurement, the meter (you know, the basis of the entire metric system). It was originally defined, by the French Academy of Sciences, as one ten-millionths the distance from the north pole to the equator, in a line around the curve of the earth. The fact that the earth really is slightly different than 40,000 meters in north-south circumfrance doesn't change this definition, becasue the inferred component in the "1/10,000,000th" definition is "as measured by the French Academy of Sciences circa 1791."

      Another example, which is a personal favorite, is to parse exactly what the "fact" is when you see a temperature. The real fact is "what the operator stated the thermometer to read." Which means that if the temperature doesn't seem right, it can be because the operator was mistaken, the thermometer didn't work, there's something off-kilter with the thing being measured, or our basic understanding of thermodynamics is flawed. Since (1) and (2) are easy to control for (insert additional tech, with seperate thermometer), most of the time we just worry about (3) -- since we can only talk about (4) if we also rule out (3).

      (I really don't get why folk get all hung up on "definitions" of our units of measurement. An inch is an inch is an inch, if it's "the line on a ruler", "the length between the hashes on a particlar bar in the Smithsonian", "0.0254 meters", or "the distance light travels through a vaccum in 1/11,802,852,677.16... seconds".)

    2. Re:I Know I'm Missing Something Here... by rwwh · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are missing something. The vibrations have to be counted, but this is not trivial. In fact, such clocks make use of a separate electronic oscillator and then try to keep it in sync with the atoms vibrations. Sometimes a cycle can be missed, offsetting the clock.

    3. Re:I Know I'm Missing Something Here... by oskay · · Score: 5, Informative
      The trick is that the second is defined to be the frequency of an unperturbed cesium atom, which is about as real as that "frictionless plane" that you might have had in high-school physics.

      An example of the problem is this: for technical reasons, a small magnetic field is needed inside a cesium clock. Magnetic fields change the spacing between all atomic energy levels to some degree. For cesium, the relevant change is very small, but it is still there. What you need to do is measure the magnetic field, calculate how much it affects the frequency of the atomic transition, and correct your output frequency by the required amount. What ultimately sets the accuracy level of a given clock is how well the magnetic field shift (and dozens of others) can be corrected for.

      The same is true for the mercury clock. The difference is that the systematic frequency shifts that can affect accuracy of the clock are now understood, and controllable, at a higher level of precision.

    4. Re:I Know I'm Missing Something Here... by insignificant1 · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your attempts at interjecting useful, accurate, expert information on this forum concerning a scientific article. Unfortunately this can become a Sisyphean task when surrounded by such overabundance of the uninformed (myself included) and their comments.

      But thank you for increasing the level of the discussion, Mr. Oskay, whose name, I assume, is the one that appears on the NIST press release.

  18. Upper Limit? by NexFlamma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At what point do people simply say that our time keeping methods are good enough?

    We already have a clock that only loses 1 second every 70 million years! The odds of the current time keeping system (or mankind, for that matter) continuing in it's current form for the next 70 million years are rather low, so why do we really need one that only loses a second every 400 million?

    Sure, it's nice to be able to improve, but can't the research money go to something more useful? Like, maybe cancer research or studies into how we can build giant robots that transform into dinosaurs...

    1. Re:Upper Limit? by eobanb · · Score: 1

      At what point do people simply say that our time keeping methods are good enough?

      Well, quantum theory says that there is in fact a smallest possible period of time, called Planck time.

      I assume that would be the limit. Not even the practical limit, but The Limit.

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    2. Re:Upper Limit? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Well, quantum theory says that there is in fact a smallest possible period of time, called Planck time.

      I assume that would be the limit. Not even the practical limit, but The Limit.


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    3. Re:Upper Limit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I am no expert in physics but maybe they don't plan to use this clock to see if it is time for their lunch break. And the fact that they give a precision of one second in 400 million years may be to give to the public an idea of how precise it is and not indicate that they plan to look the time on it in 400 million years.

      What if they need to keep time for interactions that evolve in the nano/femtosecond time scale?

      Not to mention that time is with length and mass, one of the fundamental unit of the Système International (SI) and more precision in the mesure of time can allow more precision in the mesure of almost anything such as length, current etc.

    4. Re:Upper Limit? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      For timing things that take a lot less time than a second. Such as the interactions of elementary particles and stuff. Also, to triangulate across long distances with big angles (GPS). 400 million is a stupid way to explain it but what do you expect from the mainstream media.. Reallly, it's about higher precision. A "year" isn't really a definite unit of time anyway, because it is largely a human construct to explain the rotation of the earth. Unfortunately, the earth does not rotate at a constant velocity, so the definition of a "year" in terms of cesium or mercury is constantly changing. It's a misnomer. Rather than talking about "losing" seconds, they should talk about the "consistency" of the "ticks". What they are doing is creating a high frequency square wave and using a high speed counter to count the high values. When they say the ticks are consistent, they mean there is less than 1 part in 1.26E16 of "drift" per "second" of waves (multiply by frequency to get the drift of the individual ticks, showing the momentary drift).

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    5. Re:Upper Limit? by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

      But do these particular timings need to actually coincide with the particular time of day? Sure, I'm all for inventing ways to time how long it takes for microbes to blink, but we dont need to use them as our clocks, do we?

  19. It's Saturday Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm keeping time with empties.

  20. Accuracy by thorndt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm suspecting that this level of accuracy would be quite useful in high-end scientific experiements--not so much for general wall-clock settings.
    For example, measuring the duration of extremely short events--like in particle accelerators.

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    1. Re:Accuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I demand you tell me why we need such dumb stupid stuff. Hell, my Timex keeps great time as far as I know.

      (seriouly - funding will be cut off for projects like this because of the 'whut the?' reaction, unless it has a military application)

  21. Universal clock? by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of that one clock that someone wanted to stick into a New Mexico cave or something. It was big, mechanical (IIRC) and had a foot pedal that you stepped on to update the display.

    The details in my head are sketchy, but I think there was a Slashdot article on it. Maybe it wasn't. Anyway, this reminds me of it.

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    1. Re:Universal clock? by pontifier · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    2. Re:Universal clock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clock already appears to be a year off. It apparently chimed for a new millennium on Jan 1, 2000 instead of Jan 1, 2001.

  22. How do you know the percision? by mechaman · · Score: 1

    How do you determine that it will gain or lose a second in 400 million years instead of 70 million years if:

    A.)It hasn't been around long enough to find out.
    B.)There are no timepieces more accurate to base this estimate on.

    1. Re:How do you know the percision? by E++99 · · Score: 1

      It's a statistical analysis of the consistency of the frequency being emitted from the mercury atom. The result of this analysis was that it showed an uncertainty of about 7e-17, meaning that a clock syncronized to it would be accurate to 7e-17 seconds every second, or 7e-17 years (which is 2 nanoseconds) every year, or one second every 1/(7e-17) seconds (which is about 400,000 years).

  23. wristwatch by elmartinos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't wait to have a wristwatch with this. My atomic wristwatch is a bit too bulky.

  24. Because there are limits to measuring cesium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    For any definition of a fundamental unit, there are (quantum-mechanical or practical) limitations on how accurately the specified measurement can be made. Thus, there is a small but finite spread in the effective values used by different laboratories. As long as the new standard is within that range, it is "exactly the same" in the sense of being indistinguishable, but nonetheless better, because its measurement uncertainty is smaller.

    Whenver the definition is revised, the new proposed standard is compared to the old accepted standard as precisely as anyone has ever done. For example, Louis Essen measured the frequency of the Cesium hyperfine transition as 9,192,631,770 +/- 20 Hz relative to the old tropical year definition. Thus, 9,192,631,770 was picked as the definition.

    However, there are quantum mechanical limitations on our ability to measure that. In particular, when we examine the atoms for a time t, there is an uncertainty proportional to 1/t in the frequency. With cesium atoms, which are electrically neutral, gravity poses a problem. There's no way to hold them up without disturbing them, so they fly through cesium beam clocks in a fraction of a second, giving a small uncertainty in the measurement frequency. Suppose this is +/-1 Hz; that then leads to an uncertainty of +/- 1/9192631770 in the duration of a second.

    Cesium fountains slow the cesium atoms down as much as possible and thereby extend the measuring time and reduce the uncertainty. However, for any given measuring time, a higher frequency will always lead to a smaller relative uncertainty. The problem is that 9 GHz is accessible to fast electronics. The mercury clock generates a frequency of 1,064,721,609,899,143 Hz (+/-10 Hz as of current measurements) - that's 1.065 Petahertz! There's no electronics that can keep up, so the challenge of building such a clock is measuring its output frequency. Nonetheless, it should be obvious that with a base frequency some 100,000 times higher than the base frequency of a cesium clock, the potential measurement uncertainty is 100,000 times lower.

    If the standard second is ever redefined, it will be to a value that is indistinguishable from the old one using any cesium clock ever built.

    It's like drawing a line. Suppose you have a line in pencil, and need to know where it is as precisely as possible. After a while the width of the pencil gets annoying, so you sit down with a magnifying glass and measure it as precisely as possible, and draw a line with a super-sharp pen through the middle of the pencil line. But then that's too wide and fuzzy, so you use a microscope and score a line with a diamond-tip probe. But then that's too wide, so you use an atomic-force microscope and push individual atoms around. Then the atoms are too fuzzy, so you cryogenically cool it to reduce their motion. Etc. etc. Each standard is equal to the old one because it's inside the range of uncertainty of measurement.

  25. Completely Accurate? by hussain · · Score: 0

    Alright, so if we have a clock that loses a single second every seventy million years, why not just move it a second every 70 million years and end up with a clock that (should) be 100% accurate?

  26. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why does the page say:
    "Jim Bergquist's optical clock team produced the first optical atomic clock based on a transition of a single mercury (Hg+) ion in 2001. The newest single-ion clocks, using either Hg+ or aluminum (Al+) ions, show the best time-keeping performance ever measured, neither gaining nor losing a second in a billion years."

    I'm confused...

  27. Erroneous pictures by oskay · · Score: 1
    The first picture in the ZDNet article is not actually of the mercury clock, it's of the strontium atomic clock under development at JILA. JILA is associated with NIST, but they are not even on the same campus. The strontium clock uses a competing technology and is at a much earlier stage of development-- and performance-- when compared to the mercury clock!

    Looks like Roland Piquepaille failed to RTFA?

  28. Missing the point by pdxdada · · Score: 1

    I hear a lot of people asking why we need this much accuracy. I'll give you a hint, it's not so we'll know the time in 700 million years, it's so we'll know it now. Some years ago an expirament was carried out where an atomic clock was loaded on a plane and flown around for hours. When it landed again the clock on board was compared with a clock on land and the limit of the accuracy of clocks showed a difference predicted by relativity. Now imagine if we could add some decimal points to that difference, not just substantiate current theory, but look for subtle differences. It's a hell of a lot cheeper than building giant ring accelerators or firing off expencive rockets which the nerds (a term of affection) here seem to support.

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    1. Re:Missing the point by Teancum · · Score: 2, Informative

      To add a more practical real world example to this line of thought....

      Clock accuracy is one of the key components of GPS systems and other navigational equipment. By having a much more accurate clock, you would be able to build devices that can determine with higher precision exactly where you are on the Earth... or for that matter in space even.

      If you aren't aware of the "data" that is streamed out of GPS satellites, all that is transmitted is a clock signal that simply says what time it is right now, and along with some identification information. When compared to other satellites and applying some fairly straight-forward mathmatics (that includes some relativity equations), you get your current position.

      In fact, while you might be able to determine within about 20 feet where you are at with current GPS technology and think that is "good enough" for the purposes of using that technology, navigation in the Solar System is going to need even higher clock accuracy in order to plot accurate trajectories to Mars and not get the current 30% failure rate of spacecraft trying to get there and accidentally crashing into the surface or other navigational mistakes caused by inaccurate plotting of the motion of both Mars and the Earth.

      In short, you life someday (perhaps even now) might litterally depend on the navigation equipment of the vehicle you are in (read airliner) knowing precisely where you are at, and a more accurate clock will give that vehicle better accuracy to keep you alive.

    2. Re:Missing the point by E++99 · · Score: 1
      Some years ago an expirament was carried out where an atomic clock...
      Ooo.. is that the one where they discovered spirament gum???
    3. Re:Missing the point by solitas · · Score: 1
      In short, you life someday (perhaps even now) might litterally depend on the navigation equipment of the vehicle you are in (read airliner) knowing precisely where you are at, and a more accurate clock will give that vehicle better accuracy to keep you alive.

      I really can't figure that an accumulated error of one second in four hundred-million years versus an error of one second in seventy million years is going to make much of a difference-in-position on a six hour cross-country flight...

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    4. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But imagine this: You are on an airplane traveling at mach 3 through a crowd of people. You can't imagine that you'd be able to do that without a computer controlled navigation system that knows where you and each obstacle is to within a few centimeters.

      Ok, maybe that example is a bit rediculous, but here's a realistic one. Let's say Beligerant Country A launches a nuclear missile at Generally Unliked Country B. Country B has a missile defense system that will try to target and destroy the missile. Current technology would allow us to detect where the missile is to within several meters. Given the amount of chaos present in the system, hitting a several meter wide target in an area with an uncertainty of several meters has enough of a chance of failure that any sensible defense concerned country would want to be able to increase time accuracy to improve the precision of their location detection.

    5. Re:Missing the point by Teancum · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it isn't an accumulated error of one second in four hundred-million years. It is a navigation error of being off by several meters (or feet) when you think something should be in one place but it is in fact someplace else. As air traffic control issues become more pronounced as more things are flying through the air, and the range of tolerance is getting smaller.

      And as I was trying to point out with space travel, this precision is going to need to get even better as instead of being off by just a few feet, current technology is still going to have you off by a few hundred kilometers when doing interplanetary navigation. That is the difference between knowing you are in orbit around Mars or on the ground. Or even being able to get to Pluto at all.

      I will guarentee that you will mind if that accumulated error puts another airplane into your seat and you have an air-to-air collision because the clocks were inaccurate. Or to put it more pleasantly, you can have more take-offs and landings at a given airport because the control tower has more precise navigation equipment, as do the airplanes at that airport. That means lower air fares and fewer "accidents" because everybody can keep track of where you are at to avoid a collision.

  29. Indeed it will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  30. Confusion ... by jolshefsky · · Score: 1

    Wait, so the White Rabbit is always in a hurry, but it's the Mad Hatter who has the accurate clock?

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  31. Leap Year ? by Joebert · · Score: 1
    This mercury atomic clock 'would neither gain nor lose a second in about 400 million years' while it would take 'only' 70 million years to NIST-F1, based on a 'fountain' of cesium atoms, to gain or lose a second.

    Do we really need a more precise clock ?
    I mean, can't we just bury some notes about Leap Years somewhere for anyone that's around in 70 million years ?
    The dinosaurs are about 65 million years older than us right ? Look how far the world has come. Hell, I'll bet whatever is living here 65 million years from now will have built-in clocks in their brains anyway.
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  32. Ob reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't feel tardy."

  33. I know by Instine · · Score: 1

    When you're trying to measure gravity waves.

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  34. geoid issues with civil time by at10u8 · · Score: 1

    Daniel Kleppner of MIT contributed an article to Physics Today which ruminated on the problems that clocks like this will have for international timekeeping. The trick is that the clocks will be able to see the diurnal variations in general relativistic gravitational potential. No two clocks like this on the surface of the earth will ever be able to agree with each other. A whole new set of computational protocols for combining their results into International Atomic Time (TAI) will be necessary.

  35. Could someone please explain to me... by spiffyman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know I'm risking my own karma to ask this, but why was parent modded Redundant? The comment is funny, and it accurately illustrates why we might take time to do something seemingly useless. Because it might be useful, duh!

    Point is - parent should be modded up/funny. If I had mod points today I'd do it myself.

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  36. Living longer! by Clinton · · Score: 0

    Ooooh, so that's why people who tend to be more active (on the move) live longer!

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  37. Sign me up by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I'll take it!!! Look at all the money I'll save going to the gym!! Whooo Hooooooooooooooo

  38. Hurry up! by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

    Let's get going and change the standard. We're losing femtoseconds as I type this!

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  39. Current kit for you time nuts by Eil · · Score: 1

    Here's a brief article (and a picture) of the US's current standard. There's also a graph showing that the US standard tends to be replaced roughly every 5-10 years.

  40. Measurements by hummassa · · Score: 1

    As a measurement geek, I can tell you couldn't be more wrong.
    The problem is: Ok, now you have 1/10,000,000 of the pole-to-equator distance in 1791. Now WTF is that? How much exactly? Have you ever seen two rulers where an inch are exactly the same size? If you measure your ruler WRT the meter, and then another ruler WRT the first ruler, etc, etc, the error will accumulate, and soon you'll have an inch with 2cm and another inch with 3cm. And no pieces of nothing will fit together: imagine if the pins in your computer's processor with 1/10mm error in the distance between them would fit in the socket (answer: NO)
    So, we define all units in terms of thing we can measure again and again and again with minimum (preferably zero) error. (do you know that the 1m platinum bar, made two centuries ago, lost almost 1/10 mm already due to some oxidation or somesuch?)
    And: temperature is not something you see in a thermometer, it's the mean speed of the molecules vibration. It HAS a meaning.

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    1. Re:Measurements by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      And: temperature is not something you see in a thermometer, it's the mean speed of the molecules vibration. It HAS a meaning.

      Actually, depending on your thermometer, what you see is either the expansion of mercury against a ruler, the location of a needle on a dial, or a digital read-out. Saying that a thermometer measures the "mean speed of molecules' vibration" is putting the cart before the horse -- YES, it has a meaning, but that meaning requires that the tech, the thermometer, and our understanding of thermodynamics all to be correct.

  41. SERVER CRASHED . . . SUMMARY POSTED BELOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Keeping time with a mercury atom
    Posted by Roland Piquepaille @ 10:07 am
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    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has announced that a new experimental atomic clock based on a single mercury atom is now at least five times more precise than NIST-F1, the U.S. standard clock. This mercury atomic clock "would neither gain nor lose a second in about 400 million years" while it would take "only" 70 million years to NIST-F1, based on a "fountain" of cesium atoms, to gain or lose a second. But even if this new kind of optical atomic clock is more accurate than cesium microwave clocks, it will take a while before such a design can be accepted as an international standard.

    An experimental atomic clock based on a single mercury atom is now at least five times more precise than the national standard clock based on a "fountain" of cesium atoms.

    The experimental clock, which measures the oscillations of a mercury ion (an electrically charged atom) held in an ultra-cold electromagnetic trap, produces "ticks" at optical frequencies. Optical frequencies are much higher than the microwave frequencies measured in cesium atoms in NIST-F1, the national standard and one of the world's most accurate clocks. Higher frequencies allow time to be divided into smaller units, which increases precision.

    The NIST Time and Frequency Division built a first prototype of such a mercury optical clock six years ago. But now, this single atom based optical clock is the world's most precise one.

    The current version of NIST-F1 -- if it were operated continuously -- would neither gain nor lose a second in about 70 million years. The latest version of the mercury clock would neither gain nor lose a second in about 400 million years.

    Here is a picture of this experimental optical clock (Credit: NIST). This image comes from the Spring 2006 issue of JILA Light & Matter, a publication from NIST (PDF format, 8 pages, 1.52 MB). This clock is described on page 6 in "Partnership in Time."

    The mercury atomic clock from NIST

    Jim Bergquist's optical clock team produced the first optical atomic clock based on a transition of a single mercury (Hg+) ion in 2001. The newest single-ion clocks, using either Hg+ or aluminum (Al+) ions, show the best time-keeping performance ever measured, neither gaining nor losing a second in a billion years.

    And below is a picture from Jim Bergquist holding "a portable keyboard used to set up the world's most accurate clock. The silver cylinder in the foreground is a magnetic shield that surrounds a cryogenic vacuum system, which in turn holds the heart of the clock, a single mercury ion (electrically charged atom). The ion is brought to rest by laser-cooling it to near absolute zero (Credit: Geoffrey Wheeler, NIST)

    Setting up the mercury atomic clock from NIST

    For more information about this optical atomic clock, please read another NIST document, How the Mercury Clock Works.

    The latest research work on this clock has been published by Physical Review Letters under the title "Single-Atom Optical Clock with High Accuracy" (Volume 97, Number 2, Article #020801, July 14, 2006). Here is a link to the abstract.

    Finally, you might want to know if such an accurate clock is useful for. After all, there is only a very small chance that you're there in 400 million years. Let's return to the NIST news release for a conclusion.

    Ultra-precise clocks can be used to improve synchronization in navigation and positioning systems, telecommunications networks, and wireless and deep-space communications. Better frequency standards can be used to improve probes of magnetic and gravitational fields for security and medical app

  42. Doesn't matter how precise it is. . . by treeves · · Score: 1

    once the environmentalists find out they'll make sure we can't get them - mercury is toxic after all.

    --
    ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.