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EVETV - Sport For Nerds
Your grandparents will be watching golf tonight, so why not watch some sports of your own? If golf isn't your thing, then perhaps multi-ton space vessels slamming each other with lasers and missiles might be more entertaining? Virgin Worlds is carrying some details for the riveting EveTV. Today, the channel is in reruns, but tune in anyway to see some matches from the last few days. Footage from ongoing PVP matches in the space MMOG EVE Online will make your Sunday go by much quicker. From the article: "The commentary is just like a traditional sports cast and the fellows calling the matches seem quite knowledgeable not only on the technicals of play, but also the backgrounds of the competitors. If you have an opportunity to check it out, I recommend it. Kudos to CCP for organizing this event."
I don't watch sports because I don't like sports, not because there are none I like. If I was going to watch something, I'd watch football (soccer to you), not some people playing Eve.
If I wanted to do that, I'd go to a net cafe and stand over people's shoulders.
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So you're wondering "big deal, why does that affect things?"
Simple. People for the most part would rather PLAY video games than watch them.
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Even with the low video quality and the odd buffering issues it is still better than most of the shows that are on the networks right now. Actually, I'm listening to the commentary as I'm posting this and it's better than listening to College Football on the radio. Sure, that's just my opinion, but I can't stand most of the shows that play during prime time.
Give it a try. The worst that can happen is you waste a few minutes of your time. Better than watching another episode of Survivor: New Jersey or Big Brother 65.
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This is not just watching "some people play EVE." These are quick, 5-on-5, tournament style battles between alliances. I really don't see any difference between that and watching a physical sporting event. "Watching people play EVE" sounds like "watching football players practice for the game," which is not what this is.
;). For those of us that do play, it's fun to have open in another window to watch the alliances we fight with every day get their asses handed to them by a relatively unknown one.
If you haven't or don't play EVE, it might be hard for you to enjoy (unless you just like watching space ships blow each other up
I'm not trying to troll, but maybe someone can help me by explaining what is so "incredible" about EVE? I played it once back when a trial was opened to the public and had trouble finding anything very interesting about the game. The game was large in the sense you could go many places, but it was constant flying back and forth. I never got far enough to do PvP, but I can't imagine it being heart stopping. Outside of fighting, you were stuck trading, mining, and building.
Is this just one of those games that caters to a group of players that are into the space war & trading style games, instead of fantasy style (WoW, et al.)? And this group of players just happens to be decently large and prevalent where I browse?
Seriously, when has that ever been fun?
maybe know something about eve before you post crud like this. CCP actively work with Transgaming and the client works perfectly well under cedega. A simple google would have found that out. The directX 10 client is going to co-exist with a directx 9 client for a long time as not everyone is going to windows vista and it would be utterly stupid to think that a company that relies on subscribers would cut most of them on older platforms off. To each his own with regard to you leaving. I've been playing a long time now, probably over 2 years, yet i have a character i started 4 months ago who specialized and regularly takes down far older players in pvp. it's down to player skill not character skillpoints. One of the key elements that people with the opinion "I'll never catch up" forget is that by combining forces with other players, you can overcome far older players. There is never a case of an older player being a god of every facet of the game. GoonSwarm (an ingame alliance) is a great example, with over 2000 members, this is an alliance that consists mostly of newbie players and yet they are one of the powers in the game at the moment. Swarming works :)
What else do you expect them to use for live streaming video? Its pretty much the internet standard nowadays. Considering that CCP is spending a great deal of time working with Transgaming to get the game working perfectly under Cedega they don't seem much like a Microsoft "fanboy company" to me. 99% of companies don't even care about Linux, while CCP is going out of their way to try to get the game running on other operating systems.
It's probably not going to happen with EVE Online, but it will happen one day. Actually, it's already happened (in a sense) with Texas Hold-Em. One of its primary attractions is that, often, anyone from anywhere can join the tournament. If you join, you might not get far, But even so, if not you, then people you know or have interacted with will be playing at world-class levels. The illusion that only a bit of luck and practice separates you from the upper echelons is a large part of what keeps the fish biting in a competitive poker.
Further, there's a whole untapped market of people with asthma, with skeletal defects, with good fine-motor skills but poor gross-motor coordination who are excluded from participating in traditional sports at competitive levels. Logic will cause them to gravitate to these third millennium sporting activities.
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Funny. XINE opened the stream perfectly.
...until reverse engineering is made illegal, that is.
That's the problem with standards. Stick with one long enough, it gets reverse engineered.
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It's not like this is intended to appeal to non-players. For those of us who play it, it's fun to see which of the big alliances prevail in what is essentially a PVP competition. I have no interest in watching WoW recordings, because I don't play it, and I assume the same would be true of people who don't play EVE.
EVE is great but it's very difficult to get any kind of enjoyment out of it when you play by yourself. The fun starts when you join an aggressive 0.0 (lawless space) corp. It's beyond me what the empire carebears play this game for at all, given how immensely boring empire is.
I'm sitting there, watching EVE TV and chatting with my friends in game when all the sudden, someone posts "EVE TV just got put on Slashdot." I have friends in both LV and IAC and they are both in the running for 1st! All I want to do is watch the tournament! Why would someone go and try to ruin my day by crashing their servers?
Someone save me from this sanity.
Let's address these points eh?
* They run the backend of their *supercomputer* on MSSQL, mainly because as a bunch of game devs, they didn't really have the time to learn the intricacies of a UNIX based system when they needed to roll out their updated hardware ASAP.
* Client is indeed Windows only. Mainly because it's DirectX only, I'll give you that.
* They are porting it to DirectX 10, but that ported client is *optional*. If you want to stay with XP/DX9 you can. Not to mention the upgraded graphics engine will still run on DX9 machines, with some minor graphical details missing.
* And you know, this stream works with other players, like the open source VLC. Use that.
And yes, the system has no way of catching up to older player's skillpoint counts, but the whole purpose is to specialise in a class of ship, where the skillpoint/age difference disappears as old players were not able to specialise. And as a bonus, the skill system is time based rather than grind based, meaning poopsockers get no real advantage.
"Swarming works :)"
:)
We called it zerging back in the day
I keep telling myself I'm not the desperate type.
i'm actually waiting for more games to broadcast live... of course it would help if the game was something i was interested in. it's an opportunity to see the best player's skills and learn from their techniques. (yeah, I know player demos are a good way of doing that too). and i can also see people playing in real world situations where there is added pressure (you think you are good enough to play in front of hundreds to millions of viewers in competition style play). i think i could be entertained just as much by game related competitions as i could by sports related competitions (or even faky faky stuff like american idol or survivor).
The video works fine for me using Xine on FC4.
Nowhere on that page do they tell what time it is right now in the timezone the schedule is based on.
What is this schedule useful for? Amateurs.
what's with all these nerds talking? Where are the spaceships?
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Out of all the mmorpgs Ive played, Eve-online is the most involved and interesting. Ive been playing for under a year and there is still a lot to learn and experience. There are lots of different things to do in the game, but its the principally the pvp that is core and the wars and relationships that evolve between the entities that live out in deep space beyond the stable "safe" core empire systems that is intriguing.
One concern new players have is that with the skill system is that they will be never able to catch up with those that have been playing from the start. While its true you'll never have the versatility of a veteran there are only so many skillpoints that are relevant to piloting a certain ship so as long as you focus you can be just as effective as some vet and any conflict comes down to player skill. Moreover its quite feasible for an organised gang of newbies to gank a solo vet or uncoordinated gang.
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Am I missing something? I turned it on right now, and it is just a group of brits sitting around a table in a pub. I have no clue what they are saying as every other words is bleeped out.
That's definitely an interesting MMORPG they've got there.
I found the opposite.. it was as boring as hell. All the 'missions' are 'take this item from here to here, and talk to this person'. Maybe there's the occasional 'kill the pirate' (but they're way too easy). No grouping (definately no group missions0, and you rarely if ever actually see another player. I like my MMORPGs to actually be multiplayer, otherwise I'd sit at home and play any one of a dozen good non-online games.
While it's quite possible to play solo, the pve/mission running side of the game is really a bolt on and indeed the least exciting. The more interesting parts of the game is the team play seen in PVP, be it fleet engagements or traders seeking to undermine their competitors.
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Uhh missions in EVE are the most boring thing ever....
Secondly you were doing courier missions, do kill missions, slightly more fun.
I thought it was geek fight club.
i can't hear these "sport for nerds" things anymore! The typical nerds sits at lot of time on his work-worn chair starring for hours on some digits.. come on guys you have to do REAL sport.. not just for your healthiness but as well to stay in balance with the life outside. so i personally think that for nerds doing sport is even more important as for other people! Give it a try, it's not that hard..
Bunch of fat slobs playing and a person watching at home has a chance of beating them.
Yet there must be 20 poker shows a week (not counting multiple airings).
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Its EVE TV!
Anyone know any other games being broadcast? Like Guildwars or WoW-battlegrounds? Would be very interesting to see w good commentary. I spose you'd need to have a small timedelay to avoid spoiling the game by "looking over the shoulder."
It depends on what type of agent you pick.
If you pick a Command agent, 97% of your missions will be "go here & kill everything"
See here for agent types:
http://www.tesuji.co.uk/agents.php
(The reason the page looks so bad, is it works in the in-game browser.)
And the lvl 2+ missions are not easy if you're still in a frigate (the smallest ship, first you get).
The first part of the ship progression is like this:
Frigate -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> Battlecruiser -> Battleship
And you can't do Lvl 2 missions in a Frigate. I can barely do most of my Lvl 3 Missions in a Battlecruiser.
But hey, to each their own. Some like EVE, some like WoW, some like football. But you gotta admit, this EVE tv thing is kinda cool if you like EVE. It's more interesting to me than football.
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In Germany for example there's Giga and Gamesports. http://gamesports.de/Gamesports cover Warcraft 3, Starcraft, Quake and Counterstrike matches. For example during the Electronic Sports World Cup last Month in Paris, it streamed live matches for hours. http://giga.de/Giga concentrates more about the games themselves but about 2 hours every day, they cover the matches in their Giga e-sports programm. Giga 2 is a pay for view that streams live matches of many games.
This is really exciting, and I can say that everyone in my alliance was paying attention to it. Eve video is huge for many reasons, because you can often watch people you don't like get blown up, learn your enemy's strategies and setups, and pick up a few pointers. They are also a tremendous tool for propaganda and promotion of one's organization -- which ends up being more important than any single battle.
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If you want a small peek into the number of video work being done, check out eve videos or the related http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=cha
The winners here get "geek cred" in the eve world. The next time you see one of them in game you might hesitate(thus giving them an edge) and you may even consider joining up with them(giving them superiority in numbers/skill, and an ability to take more territory). Organizations live and die based on the resolve of their people.
The eve social angle is enormous and honestly it brought me back to MMORPGs. I happen to like the gameplay, diversity, and open-endedness of the game, but the people keep me coming back every day.
BTW, Join VSP Corp.
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>I found the opposite.. it was as boring as hell.
Your somewhat correct. Eve is a pure-social game if you want to get anywhere or have any real fun. There is only so much you can do as single player.
However you are incorrect on the grouping. There are a large number of missions where you are required to group, and as I said playing solo in the game isn't going to get you anywhere fast.
This is one of the goonswarm videos showing how you can decimate the combined forces of some of the strongest alliances in the game through sheer numbers and teamwork. Quite a sight and very pretty footage coming from this engagment imho.
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Hrm, actually, there's more 'kill' mission types than any other - by a factor of about 2/3rds. The newbie agents are there to give people that don't want to do all out combat another choice. You can skip those and go right to agents that are almost exclusively 'kill', 'trading', 'mining/manufacturing', or 'courier' types. (not technically what they're called, but you get the point)
No grouping!? I'm trying to understand how that could even be experienced... You can stay strictly solo if you want - oh wait - there's no way you can unless you start your own one man corp - which is nothing a fresh player in his/her first days can do. Takes mebbe a week to do so if you've played before. Usually the newbie corps have several hundreds of new players and people recruiting for real corporations that actually do stuff. The newbie ones are there just to learn - and are a good place to do so - there's a lot to take in for a new player. You missed a lot, but it's not surprising given the level of complexity and amount of content in the game. Most at least give it a fair shake tho. *sniffs*
The lowest I've seen the playercount has been 12-14k lately...
I have to say that I have played many sports but never enjoyed watching them. Eerily watching eve videos is absolutely fascinating, if not for their entertainment value, but to find what the true purpose of the video is ( i.e. fun, propaganda/promotion, smear, recruitment, ego, etc).
You can also pick up a few lessons from videos, and figure out how different setups work with or against another. And hey, there's always the ability to point at a video from a friendly or hostile source and saying "that's my corp mate!".
The great thing I've found about pvpers in eve can be just for the fun of it and both sides walk away having had a ton of fun and with greater respect for the other. Perhaps it's related to the style of gameplay, but I've found that the general eve population seems to be more mature and friendly.
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From Kotaku:
DirectTV and IGN have teamed up with Microsoft and a bunch of other companies to put together a new pro-gaming series that launches next year.
The Championship Gaming Series is a new professional gaming league that will air competitions exclusively on DirectTV.
Now I agree with you - watching people play video games can be atkin to viewing a paint drying contest - but something sees something in it.
so now, when we are not playing video games, we can relax by watching other people play video games.
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The missing link is to the related eve video forums. There are many videos which highlight different aspects of the game along with video critque and style tips. Good fun.
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It's a pretty good idea. The nerds get to watch people who are just like they are being on TV (and how often does that happen?) and the rest of the audience can laugh when they fall over. Or something. As long as you have a good balance..
It's interesting and just a bit unreal watching them go through some teambuilding excercise / gratuitous public torture, and then sit down and talk about tanks in WW2 or Trek. For some reason I don't see that in a whole lot of other shows on TV at the moment.
And it's a pretty positive show too - there's no elimination of contestants, and they all work together (in getting their asses kicked by progressively better teams). I didn't see a whole lot of moralizing, but I suppose that's up to the network and what they think will get viewers.
I can definately see the appeal of something like this, though I am not familiar with EVE.
I think the basic premise is that if you actually are pretty good, you can have a chance to do so on the little screen for people to see. This adds some kind of real life goal to playing the game, as you can become "famous" or "infamous" among the other players in the world.
The problems that has always been experienced with anything like this is that people don't want to watch it, and they would sure as hell rather play. People watch sports on TV because they can't do it, or at least not nearly as well and exciting as pros, if you are interested in the sport of course. But you can play games just as well as other, generally speaking, so the idea of watching someone else do something and get better, when you could either be doing something real life related, or actually getting better in a game yourself is quite the detterent to watching this kind of thing.
I can hardly imagine that in 10 years there are any people who can say that they wished they had watched more live streaming EVE.
You take it, I don't want it...
What I haven't seen stressed enough here is that EvE TV is *not* an official CCP effort. These guys have set up a studio, stream servers, moderation, prerecorded features (sorry about the pub scenes *hahaha*), direction, camera people on their own.
Yes, there was some cooperation with CCP, but the LEVEL of professionalism is still very amazing considering there's noone earning money through this as far as I can tell.
That's what keeps baffling me about the EvE Community: The amount of work and money people are willing to sacrifice to provide service for the rest of the community.
Check the stats upper left corner on http://www.eve-files.com/ and tell me you're not impressed this site is neither charging nor even earning money through banner ads.
* All the 'missions' are 'take this item from here to here, and talk to this person'.
You were doing the wrong mission types (using the wrong agent). I'm guessing Administrative or Legal. If you use a Security or Internal Security agent, it's ALL kill missions. There are also agents for mining and item manufacturing, if that's your thing.
* Maybe there's the occasional 'kill the pirate' (but they're way too easy). No grouping (definately no group missions0,
Again, using the wrong agent. If you take the time to get Connections skill to level 3 (roughly 1 - 3 days training time for most people), you should be able to get to Level 3 agents fairly quickly (say, 8 - 16 hours running Level 2 missions. Closer to 8 I'd guess). Those are challenging for anything less than Battleship pilots or very experienced Battlecruiser pilots. Level 4 missions, the next step up, are usually impossible to very difficult even for BS pilots. You generally need a gang to take them on.
* and you rarely if ever actually see another player.
Then you didn't look very hard. You have only to open your map and select the option to color stars by number of pilots in system. Systems like Jita, Rens, and Saila regularly see hundreds of pilots on at the same time, with many more in surrounding systems. You don't have to be in high-sec, either. Places like Hibi -> R3-K7K area (0.5 -> 0.0 security) are very high population, as well as major outposts for all alliances, clear to the edge of the galaxy. If you didn't see many players, it's probably because you went off solo. You need to join a corp and put yourself where the action is if you want to see Eve for all it really can be.
Unpleasantries.
Eve does not spoon-feed you. Missions are a easy way to learn the mechanics of the game and make a little cash, nothing more. If you want player interaction, go find it. With 20k concurrent users, it can't be that hard to find people. (I know I had no problems when the playerbase was half that)
Also, alliance politics can be some of the most entertaining (and sometimes infuriating) stuff I've ever run into in gaming. All the drama that Curse Alliance generated was priceless.
Bah, parent should be modded informative. I played that game for 5 hours, and I don't think I got involved in a single battle. All I remember was mining asteroids and warping from system to system trying to find something interesting to do.
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I wish I could easily find the link to one of the GoonSwarm propaganda videos.
:)
It was basically 200 people zerging with Velators. (In EVE, that's the noob ship for one of the four races) They did some SERIOUS damage despite using a horde of basically week-old (or less) characters.
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