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United States Cedes Control of the Internet
greenechidna writes "The Register is reporting that the U.S. is relinquishing control of ICANN. The story states:
'In a meeting that will go down in internet history, the United States government last night conceded that it can no longer expect to maintain its position as the ultimate authority over the internet.
Having been the internet's instigator and, since 1998, its voluntary taskmaster, the US government finally agreed to transition its control over not-for-profit internet overseeing organization ICANN, making the organization a more international body.'"
Here's what the LA Times has to say, which is quite different from the "day in history of the Internet" crap:
U.S. Unlikely to Yield Web Oversight Yet
Federal officials seem inclined to extend a deadline for privatizing control of the Internet's address system.
By Jim Puzzanghera, Times Staff Writer
July 27, 2006
WASHINGTON -- The federal government appeared unlikely to relinquish oversight of the system for assigning and managing website domain names after a Commerce Department hearing Wednesday raised broad concerns about giving an obscure Marina del Rey nonprofit unsupervised control.
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"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
We actually did something in the spirit of cooperation with other countries.
I think my head is going to explode.
Slashdot needs a "-1, Wrong" moderation option.
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What will this do to the net neutrality issue? Is it up to the UN now?
Where were you when the voynix came?
For years man has divided earth into political boundaries. Many of these boundaries have sub boundaries. And even more divisions among them and more beyond them and so forth based on belonging to a gregarious portion of the human race.
Disclaimer: I am an American. One thing I find myself asking not only myself but other Americans is what is their primary citizenship. What I mean by that term is which political boundary (if any) supercedes all?
Are you a citizen of the United States first? A citizen of Texas? A citizen of Chicago? A citizen of the Bronx? A citizen of North America? A citizen of yourself? At what point do you consider yourself a member of a community that will look out for other members?
Occasionally, we catch ourselves engaging in activities that would indicate we are world citizens first and citizens of the United States second. I know it's a tough concept to comprehend but we do send aid to foreign countries, we do attempt to help other countries no matter how much we fsck it up or act in our best interest. So there's some amount of talk about the United States actually being a part of the world. This act of ceding internet control to an international organization is a step in that direction.
Is it a good step or bad step remains to be seen and can be easily debated. One thing is clear, it sends a message to the rest of the world that the United States government is conscious of the rights of other governments. And this isn't a case of we need to help their economy because if it tanks, so will ours. On the surface this actually appears to be a gift of some little amount of power. This is not a historically common occurrence for a country such as the United States. Are we becoming more aware of the world political climate? I certainly hope so.
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If you RTFA, it's not clear what actually changed ... and in the text, it says "However, assistant commerce secretary John Kneuer, the US official in charge of such matters, also made clear that the US was still determined to keep control of the net's root zone file - at least in the medium-term."
ICANN't believe the USA has done this!!!
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I've often said that the only way you can solve most of the issues revolving around the internet today is to make it a sovereign nation. That way one set of laws, one set of taxes, one set of decency can apply to all thus avoiding lawsuits in a million different countries due to your content.
Hopefully though, an international body can agree to some basic tenets so that we can establish so we can limit trivial laws and lawsuits due to localized laws.
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i fear that internet regulation will devolve into internet bureaucracy and politicization, a la the united nations. simply having a diverse or shared governing board does not ensure that the product will remain diverse or shared. the u.s. has a significant interest in maintaining the network and its development, and i think the continued managment by the u.s. would leave the internet in safe hands.
How could a meeting of ICANN be anything but among a small percentage of people who use the internet? It's not like ICANN consists of millions, or that it'd be useful if it did. Being a committee, as I understand it, the larger it gets, the stupider it gets, and the harder it gets to do anything useful.
I'm just glad to see that the obvious is being recognized.
Being quick to take offense is not a virtue.
I suppose we will be at the mercy of the Film Actors Guild now.
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Wake me when the backbone is no longer run through the NSA.
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
give a loud fuck off to Kieren McCarthy for this little tid bit of editorializing, "That the US government recognises it has to transition its role if it wants to keep the internet in one piece (and it then has to sell that decision to a mindlessly patriotic electorate)"
It (he/she?) knows very little about American culture and hasn't seen recent polls about the dissatisfaction of the electorate with the present administration.
So does this mean we'll see a transition from .com to .co.us for US hosted domains?
In response to the old joke, "ICANN, and you can't"...
ICANN, and now you can too!
But france has those 2.5 Gb/s conections now, remember? They could send us their surrender faster than we could even dream
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Oh thank goodness, now more sensible countries like China and India will have a say about internet policies.
...to control this mess!
So what does that mean now?
It means two things, piggy:
first it means that the US government can now hold someone( ICANN in this case) responsible for what happens in the internet
and second the government can now concentrate their efforts on how to tax it!
Bombs away!!! ICANN you're next!
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The US doesn't have "control of the internet", so it cannot be relinquishing what it doesn't have. The ICANN being US-based doesn't give much real control over IP packets travelling on some fiber halfway around the world from DC. Even if ICANN was a government agency it wouldn't. It just allows to vaguely arbitrate over domain names and IP number disputes that have relatively faint commercial implications. And even then the US feds would have to use indirect influence on ICANN.
The names change, the story remains the same.
File your story under "fiction" because both analogies you gave are inaccurate. In fact, they're so contrived that it makes it obvious that any attempt to dissuade you from your partisan viewpoint will be futile.
Therefore, I won't try.
I'm a big tall mofo.
So when do we get the press release from Microsoft saying there goes the "Network Neighborhood"?
As in spine. I understand our "do it our way or die" mentality isn't very popular overseas right now but, no matter what anyone says to the contrary, this cannot be a good thing. We invented it, we've run it just fine so far,. Was it hurting anyone maintaining control of something as democratic as the internet by a the most staunchly democratic and freedom loving country in the world? We should just leave well enough alone.
Terrible karma and aiming lower, which in this environment of one-sided reason, is higher.
...because the "international community" has such a stellar track record for taking on difficult tasks and running them effectively and fairly without corruption. Snort.
"I have never won a debate with an ignorant person." -Ali ibn Abi Talib
IMHO, all the internet gouvernance should go to a UN instance (something like "unesco" but dedicate to "internet long term handling").
.... say UN ;-)
... in the meanwhile, Lebanon and Israel citizens are dying because of stupidity of both camps stupidity (and massibe US support to Israel lebanon invasion).... Welcome in W.Bush "safe-o-world" !
Obviously having UN do the overall governance does not mean each countries (inc. USA) will be prohibited to push any laws to put stricter regulartion on the internet liberties.
But anyway, that is the choice of each country's citizens !
Be sure that if US do not release the full control they have on the internet, we (europe) are going to build our own sperate gouvernance (obviously incompatuble with US ones) and push this to an international body
Let's see how is US able to handle multilateralism
Not a good idea. But a better idea than leaving it to Bush's successor.
Still a step up from being run with the efficiency and integrity of the US government.
To be fair it was the US that developed the Internet all those years ago so I can see why they would want to keep control of it - however so many people from so many countries have added to it in so many ways (eg Tim Berners-Lee = WWW) I think it's only fair for it to be under International control now.
Art Makers Just an excuse to show photos of naked women !!
to still know how to control it via impractical and unenforeable laws...you know its a series of tubes....
President Bush will issue a signing statement and it will "okay" for the US to make unilateral and unannounced changes at will.
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Someday we'll all look back on this and plow into a parked car.
"The UN is so corrupt, incompetent, and inept that it make the U. S. Govt look brilliant!"
;-)
Maybe that was the plan of the USA all along?
Seriously though, many problems of the UN stem from problems its members make (e.g. sovereign nations). It's only as strong (or inept) as those countries that make up the UN and have to decide when to act and when not. Some countries actively undermine the UN, and thus, obviously, this has its repercusions on the UN as a whole.
The USA shouldn't shout to loud in this regard, since it's often *they* that contribute in a major way to make the UN inept and incompetent, using its veto arbitrarily and destroying a united policy.
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It posts all sorts of vague and misleading titles of stories. Try reading the articles and you'll see what I mean.
/. anyway.
Oh, yeah, if you actually read the articles, then you find out what the story is actually about! Craziness. I'm used to just reading the headlines and then convincing myself I fully understand the situation and pontificating about it and why the author of the story I didn't read is wrong! That's what I learned here on
Seriously, this is called "style" and the Register has one where they make the title sensational, humorous, or both, under the apparently unreasonable assumption that you'd actually bother to read the article within if you wanted to know what the story was. If you really want to be able to just scan the front page of their website and feel like you've gotten a good summary of the day's IT news, then you are at the wrong website.
As far as the content of their stories, these vary quite a bit in quality, but when they're on, they're on. One of the other things that bothers a lot of Register and Inquirer detractors is that they publish rumors based on non-official non-PR-Newswire conversations they have with industry contacts. They do a good job of explaining where they got their information and how realible it may be, but again this requires reading the article. Also this means they can be wrong, but when they're right they get information out that doesn't show up on other sites that only consume official corporate press releases for months.
If these things bother you, then these are probably not the IT news sources for you. That's fine if you don't like them, but don't go around calling them the IT equivalent of the Enquirer. As news organizations that actually attempt to investigate things that you can't learn just by reading press releases, they're a step above most other IT rags, which I guess makes all of them the Weekly World News.
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You know who wrote that? Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn. If anybody's qualified to talk about Gore's contribution to the early days of the 'Net, it's those two.
Original Document
Look, in the early '90s, 6 years before Slashdot, when there were less than a 1/4 million hosts on the 'Net, Gore introduced the Act that would ultimately fund the development of Mosaic. In the '70s, Gore was pushing support for networks, when nobody was talking network. Through the '80s, he pushed for consolidation of disparate government networks.
In the '90s, he drove the Clinton administration's focus on the 'Net. Was that administration perfect on technical issues? Far from it. But Gore was generally a positive force. He pushed against the CDA (which was getting rammed down the admin's throat riding on the Telecommunications Act). He was wrong on key escrow, but he pushed back on Clipper.
The Internet was not built exclusively on protocols and software. It required funding and political support. Gore has been a net positive force for us. Nobody is going to take us seriously and stand up for the issues that are important to us if we eventually go after everybody who does just that.
just a correction, the internet wasn't invented in the US. it was developed by Tim Berners-Lee
You're confusing the internet with the (world-wide) web. The internet grew out of Arpanet, which was funded by the US, in (IIRC) about 1970. It quickly grew beyond the borders of the US, and people from several countries contributed to its development, but in the early days, most contributors were American.
The Web is what Berners-Lee developed at CERN, much later. It's just one application of the internet, others being ftp, telnet, and email.
Do you not think it's a little silly to declare you allegance to a collection of inert minerals? The Earth cares not at all for what we do, it will keep orbiting regardless.
Or perhaps you are for the "People of Earth". How touching! Except how can you declare an allegance with every single person on earth, some of which may not want you to exist.
Perhaps you are just for "Life on Earth". If so, would not your best chance to help out all life include dedicating yourself to the role of fertilizer? Otherwise, even if you are a vegetarian, you life on the death of many other organisms.
Such global statements of purpose simply seem to indicate you have put no real thought into what you mean to accoplish by your declaration.
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Such as .grd (Grinding wheel suppliers) .fff (Foo Fighters Fans) .lut (Lute makers) .cwb (Cowboy Neal Impersonaters)
If you post it, they will read.
when somenoe on slashdot doesn't know the difference between the internet, and WWW.
The internet was created in the US, once called ARPANET.
When a government committee, headed by Al Gore, decided to let the public access ARPANET they renamed it 'Internet'.
Hence the reference to the often misquoted Al Gore quote.
Tim berners-Lee created the WWW.
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While I'm hardly a fan of the UN (outside of WHO, who are tremendous), let's not start blaming everyone for the sins of a few. It might not work out well for your arguments in the long run.
(And before the arguments over "librahal traitor" start, I'm ex-military.)
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
The Inquirer: A news site started by a group of people who left the Register several years ago including the founder. They are sometimes wrong but not by much e.g. last friday they had news from a reliable source on the AMD - ATI story and that the official annoucement would be on monday. They did however get some of the financials wrong.
The Enquirer: The best way to keep track of Elvis's current location.
Ars Technica put an article out circa 17:11 GMT today claiming that The Register is misleading. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060727-7366 .html
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Look at what the international community did to the UN. I really don't want the internet in the hands of those morons.
Oh, goody, lots of internets! Can someone send me one? I already have my own tube.
What was once true, is no longer so
I know people who had relatives in Srebrenica, and I also know at least one person who was helping the Serbs rape/kill there. Wanna tell them again who's the idiot?