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Why Have Movies Been So Bad Lately?

mikesd81 asks: "Why have movies and shows been so bad lately? I find myself looking on my Video on Demand service from my cable company or flipping channels and just nothing seems to have any depth any more. But on the other hand, I happened to watch Stargate Atlantis and there was an incredible scene that just caught the emotion and emergency. So is it the directing? The writing? The acting? It seems more and more movies just aren't worth anything. Let alone paying $20 to go to a movie." Let's not forget the recent number of Hollywood remakes and the amount of "reality TV" being pumped out by the networks.

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  1. Slashdot rejected my ask slashdot submission by Spazntwich · · Score: 5, Funny

    where I asked this exact question.

    About Slashdot stories.

    1. Re:Slashdot rejected my ask slashdot submission by Zanth_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      She didn't kill irony. Infact, she personified it by not mentioning a single ironic thing in her entire song yet entitled the song "Ironic".

      At best some lines indicated what some my call cosmic irony, yet most would claim these situations are merely unfortunate, as were the remaing situations, thus perhaps leaning towards "Unfortunate" as a prefered title.

    2. Re:Slashdot rejected my ask slashdot submission by poolmeister · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG!!!! Don't you love how deep she is!!!!!
      She's SOOO awesome!!
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    3. Re:Slashdot rejected my ask slashdot submission by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Question: Why Have Movies Been So Bad Lately?

      Answer: Because you've grown up.

      Duh!

    4. Re:Slashdot rejected my ask slashdot submission by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Top" lists are always like this since our collective memory is relatively short term. The shorter it's been since we saw a movie, the better we remember it. Also, as someone pointed out, maybe once we get older, we have a higher critical standard.

      I think these "top" lists should only give the options for movies older than say 5 (or maybe 10) years. This would let us get over the rosey glow we have of the movie and judge it for what it is. For example, (note, I haven't seen this yet but I now am looking for it) the goup The Monkees made a movie called "Head" (Jack Nicholson of all people was one of the producers). When it came out, everyone hated it. This was because the people who liked The Monkees went to see it and it wasn't at all what they expected. The band for their own reasons broke from the mold the record companies made for them and they did their own thing. Their fans, expecting the record company shaped image, didn't 'get' the movie. On the other hand, the people that might have liked it didn't go to see it because they too had the record company vision of The Monkees, and didn't think they would like it. After 10 or 20 years, apparently "Head" had a better critical acceptance since the people watching it then didn't have any (or less) precconcieved notions on the band. 'Best of' should be later. (I just read about the later critiques on "Head", so now I am interested in watching the movie! It might still suck (to me), but now it made me think... at least a little :-)

      There are many times I don't see a movie for 5 or 10 after it came out because at first glance I didn't think I would like it. Fight Club is one that comes to mind. I think it is a good movie... now that I watched it. ;-)

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  2. Hollywood is out of ideas by amrust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry. Someone had to say it.

    Seriously, though. I think the constant deluge of remake-after-remake of classic TV series and older movies has killed my interest in going to the movie theater. Why go out, when I can pull 1/2 of the "new" movies off my own DVD rack, or watch the original on late-night TV.

    But I guess someone is watching these rehashes, because Hollywood keeps making them.

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    1. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The last few movies I've seen have been an excuse to get out of the house. That's about it.

      They could show a futurama marathon on the big screen and I'd still go see it. Just for the excuse to get out.

      Movies and music in general suck because like any other corrupt practice, they has been heavily marketed. I'm sorry, but at what point is Paris Hilton a properly trained singer?

      Why is collin farrel [sp?] playing american hero cops? He's FUCKING IRISH!!!!

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    2. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, their idea that "people are teh st00p3d" is what's out.

      Movies with: actual plots, decent acting, and good taste will always be in fashion.

      actual plots means that it's OK to require the viewer to pay attention. Tired, formulaic vehicles are exactly that.

      decent acting probably means load-shedding the big names and going for some undiscovered talent.

      good taste means that, while we require a hint of the human capacity for evil to understand why the villian is the villian, we aren't really interested in wallowing in the evil. Lynch/Tarentino will always have their fan base, and I'm not advocating censorship here, just letting you know that "less is more". Expanding on that, less emphasis on potty mouth and hormones would also enhance their dramatic value. Finally, stories rooted in sexual confusion are of no interest whatsoever.

      Summarizing: movies with some didactic value, not just "chewing gum for the mind", are what is needed.

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    3. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suppose Hollywood makes rehashes because no one in the organizations wants to stick their neck out and take a chance. So then, they figure, why not make a remake - it's better than even a proven forumula where you would have to put some thought into reinventing it.

      Looking at the latest releases of the intellectually barren void that is the entertainment industry, I'm beginning to wonder if the people making entertainment have just run out of ideas. They've been drinking their own koolaid for so long, they can't really think "different", let alone anything revolutionary.

      The 2 movies I went to this year (one was Scary Movie 4 which I expected to enjoy at least superficially, but not even that) didn't give me a good ROI. The last decent movie I was at was probably Batman last year.

      In 30-40 years, I suspect ultra sized movie theatres will be a thing of the past (note I said ultra sized). It seems the Hollywood Blockbuster is dying out slowly and this summer has been thoroughly disgraceful. I think entertainment will slowly settle more and more into happy niches more specific and targetted than they are now.

      Or the current disillusionment with movies could be that many /.er, including myself, are at an age where we have seen it all before. Perhaps it is something every generation has gone through, but it is coming at an unprecedented young age since we are such an media addicted generation, and that video games, internet has raised our expectations (and the bar) to an unprecendented amount that even though the schlock coming out was the same basic crap it always was, we are demanding more. It would make sense, as every single generation eventually talks about a downward spiral in the quality of the entertainment for the next generation. (But I'm already bitching in my 20's here, which does not bode well:/ )

    4. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, yeah, and why did the Australian Mel Gibson play an American cop all those times, too?

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    5. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by LMariachi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gibson was born in Peekskill, New York, and moved to Australia when he was twelve.

    6. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I suppose Hollywood makes rehashes because no one in the organizations wants to stick their neck out and take a chance. So then, they figure, why not make a remake - it's better than even a proven forumula where you would have to put some thought into reinventing it."

      In all fairness, mass-audiences are fickle. Different can often mean easy-to-lose-lots-of-people. I imagine if you put your mind to it, you could call up a good-sized list of movies you liked that lots of people didn't. Think even harder, and you may even remember some of the reasons why. "I just didn't get the whole robots thing." Hollywood's out to make money, but the big money is in making movies that tens of millions of people want to go see. I personally don't attribute the rehashes to Hollywood stupidity, but rather to having a really tough problem.

      What's funny is while movie viewing is going down, TV viewing is going way up. Ever noticed that most popular shows in recent years are seeing lots of high-end visual effects? Thanks to the low cost of entry and DVRs, one can afford to take bigger risks on a show. Lost and BSG come to mind. I cannot imagine these shows being that successful in the 80's. Not because of the content, but because of the dependence on seeing the previous episodes to watch the current one. It's easier to stay home and catch these shows than it is to plunk down $10 a piece and catch a movie you don't know shit about. (I call it the open-your-mouth-and-close-your-eyes business model.)

      I'm not ready to predict the death of Hollywood yet, but I do think we'll see a trend of lower budget films (~10 million) in the coming years intended to reach a narrower audience. The idea here is that you go after a smaller group of people so you can make films that appeal to them. Remove the "well we gotta make sure 80 year olds as well as 10 year olds will love the movie" requirement, and you'll have the more interesting content.

      The ideas aren't gone, just too hard to adapt.

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    7. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Metrol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I had a chat with some friends about this very subject not too horribly long ago, which I came up with a theory of my own. I don't think the problem here is that Hollywood is out of ideas. The problem may very well be too many!

      Consider how the original Star Wars got to be the highest grossing movie of it's time. It spent over a year in theaters. Heck, the ads for it weren't much more than the movie's logo and some of the music. This movie had the time to let it be judged by the movie goers, who convinced others they needed to see this thing.

      Today, there are so many new movies coming out that they're barely in the major theaters for more than a couple of weeks. Even a reasonably successful film may only see a month out there.

      This is a huge shift in how movies are marketed, which is coming back to your point about all these remakes, sequels, and TV series. Today, if a movie doesn't produce big time within a couple of weeks, the studios lose money. There's no time for word of mouth, or generating interest in a good movie. If you were a movie executive whose primary concern is making sure everyone gets paid (especially yourself) what would you do?

      Heck, we're already seeing what they'd do. Generate movies based on subjects that are already established household names which your marketing department has identified a certain demographic for. Let's toss together a "Bewitched" movie with some notable names and put it out there! Lots of folks over 30 at least saw reruns, and it should have a predictable attendance.

      Even as of a few weeks ago I was reading an article concerning a debate over how much time after a movie leaves the theater should the DVD come out. If this shortens up even further (as it likely will) you can expect the remakes and the like to get even worse. 1 year for marketing, 2 weeks in distribution, 3 weeks later the DVD. Sounds like a recipe for even worse film making.

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    8. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by farrellj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Far too many people in the movie industry are like the music industry...they all want a #1 hit, rather than a good product/art that sells reasonably well. Both used to have a bread & butter business of "B" level releases which were rarely blockbusters, but just sold and sold and sold and sold. An artists/studios/directors catalog of releases were as important, sometimes more so, than any one mega hit.

      Since Big Media Business has a hardon for mega hits, rather than catalog, they go with things that were hits before...sometimes to the exclusion of new ideas! Look at the number of remakes in the movie business, and the number of cover tunes in music...And it's killing both businesses.

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    9. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      good taste

      Good luck with that one. Taste is purely in the mind of the beholder. What you think is good taste is unlikely to be what any significant majority of the population thinks it is. Your implications about David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino and your outright dismissal of any stories based on sexual confusion is glaring proof of the subjectivity of taste.

      For example, while vast numbers of Americans clearly think "Passion" was in good taste, there are more than a few who saw it as exploitive, crude and excessively violent. Similarly with "The DaVinci Code" - I even got email from some people I know who thought it worthy of boycotting because its blasphemy was in such poor taste.

      I'll even go out on a limb and say that no movie can rise above the level of passable but forgettably simple entertainment unless it challenges some of the widely held perceptions of what is acceptable in society. Any movie that makes such a challenge is certain, almost by definition, to conflict with what a large number of people in that same society would consider "tasteful."

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    10. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You and the story poster just aren't watching the right movies. I live in Seattle, and just got done watching 52 films in 3 weeks at the local film festival. All but about 5 were absolutely fantastic... well worth seeing, and certainly much better than the dreck pumped out as the "must see blockbuster" of the summer.

      And hell, even in mainstream cinema there's some great stuff coming out. Look at anything directed by Chris Nolan (The Prestige is coming out shortly), and anything written by Charlie Kaufman or Aaron Sorkin. In the last couple years we've had fantastic work from Sofia Copola, Tim Burton, Martin Scorsese, Woody Allen, Quentin Tarentino, and Tommy Lee Jones (The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada was just in theaters this spring).

      Go see "A Scanner Darkly". Catch Aronofsky's "The Fountain" when it hits theaters. See Ed Norton in "The Illusionist". Keep an eye out for Lynch's "Inland Empire". There have always been crap films coming out, but if you know what to look for, there's some really exciting things coming out right now. Ignore the remakes-of-remakes, and look around a bit. You'll find plenty of new ideas out there.

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    11. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Gnostic+Ronin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't think that Hollywood is out of ideas. I think it like so many other entertainment businesses are becomming allergic to risk. Part of the reason, esp. with the so-called summer blockbuster, is that it costs TENS OF MILLIONS to make a passable movie. Just getting "name" actors is serveral million a piece. Then you have sets, props, CGI, and marketing. By the time you get through all that, you have to make about $50 million just to break even. That's a lot of friggin popcorn.

      So in essence, these companies can't take risks with their blockbuster movies. They have to get a hit, because if they don't the company's out millions of dollars, and quite frankly it would make it hard for the producers and directors responsible to get anyone else to take a risk on them. No company can afford to lose 50 million.

      So it adds up to the same old thing. The same old Superman, the same old X-men, the generic romantic comedy, the generic cop movie, the generic action film. Doing otherwise is just too risky, for the producers/directors (a flop at the BO is almost career-ending), to the movie studio (a flop can put them in the red for the rest of the year, or maybe several), etc.

    12. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'll even go out on a limb and say that no movie can rise above the level of passable but forgettably simple entertainment unless it challenges some of the widely held perceptions of what is acceptable in society. Any movie that makes such a challenge is certain, almost by definition, to conflict with what a large number of people in that same society would consider "tasteful."
      Bring on the challenges.
      Your next set of blockbuster flicks:
      • Simple farming community successfully fends off big-money developer who wants to spew McMansions.
      • Gritty military hero has opportunity to snap the pencil neck of the foppish journalist who smeared his unit based on false propaganda, shows mercy and dedication to the ideals of the Constitution.
      • Drama about marital misunderstanding nearly resulting in yet another ruinous divorce and shattered children, but the spouses forgive each other.
      The real things needing challenging are the decay elements in society.
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    13. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by SamSim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ideas? No. I dare say there are literally thousands, tens of thousands of people in California, exploding with creative genius, who would love to make seriously challenging, interesting, unusual, original movies. What Hollywood lacks is guts. It is safer, financially, to put out a movie which is a lot like lots of previous movies. A movie which is based on a franchise which people are already familiar with. A movie which appeals to well-established movie-going demographics. Hollywood cares too much about money to take enough risks. So the movie corps go for safer and safer options. And we get bored.

      There's a thought experiment. You have a long, straight beach, and at each end of the beach is an ice cream van. The ice cream vans are in competition. Reasoning that beachgoers will usually choose the nearer van, the first van moves a bit down the beach, the better to gain customers from its competitor. Of course, the second van reasons the same and moves closer too. Gradually they get closer and closer until you have two vans sitting next to each other right at the middle of the beach, neither of them getting much business from the beachgoers at the ends of the beach.

      This is what's happening in the movie industry at the moment. The music industry too, in fact.

    14. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Scooter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hehe I think Id have less of a problem believing Farrel as an American cop - after all, don't 30% of New York inhabitants think they're Irish (at least on St Paddy's day :P). I did have the misfortune to watch a real pile of old boots called "Alexander" the other night though. I thought "nothing much on, Sky Movies is showing this thing, loads of big names in it.. worth a punt". Oh dear. There's 3 hours of my life I'd rather have back. It should have been sub-titled "how the Irish took over the world". Very strange hearing ancient greeks and Macedonians saying things like "roight den, I tink we'll be off over dem ills and be invadin' the Hindu Kush - hows aboutcha?"

      Absolute train wreck of a movie that droned on in no particular direction for 3 feckin' hours. I swear, 2 or 3 times I thought it was over and went to make coffee, only to find they were invading some other place when I got back, our hero was still eyeing up his best mate (but, following the advice of his adopted father, and unlike many of his ancestors, hadn't shagged his mother).

      There's absolutely no excuse for Hollywood "running out of ideas" and making all these half-arsed re-makes: my bookshelves are crammed with excellent plots, many of which would make a hal;f decent screenplay. Let's face it, if Peter Jackson, could make a series of nicely paced action packed movies from the Lord Of The Rings, surely something could be done with say - half of the PK Dick stories still unfilmed, Magician, The Stainless Steel Rat series, Tad Williams epic, not to mention all the "classic" fantasy fare from Ursula Le Guin (I'm not counting that tripe someone knocked up a couple of years ago), Michael Moorcock (about the only thing Elric hasn't been in is a movie...), EE Smith, Asimov etc.

      Put down the red underpants and Step away from the Superman plot. FFS. And Batman - that's been done to death now surely. Makes me laugh when I see the actors in these remakes being interviewed, and explaining their character, his background and his motivation - like we didn't already know.

    15. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by hhnerkopfabbeisser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > No, their idea that "people are teh st00p3d" is what's out.

      That's pretty much it.
      A big problem of our "modern" societies is that people's attention spans get shorter and shorter. From this side of the Atlantic Ocean I would guess that this is worse in the US than in Europe, but we're on the same track as you are, you just have a head-start.
      This means that any message you want a significant number of people to actually notice has to
      - be very short
      - use very very big letters

      Style is always easier to advertise than substance.

      Sadly, even critics often don't rate good movies appropriately, maybe the movies was too complicated for them to get, or they just know their audience and adjust their own taste appropriatly.

      While many blockbusters are now increasingly devoid of substance, good movie-makers still exist and do their job, but you have to dig deeper to find them than a couple of years ago.
      Watch Butterfly Effect. Watch Stay. Watch Garden State. You may like them, or not. Interesting Movies don't aim for the smallest common denominator.
      Some of these are big movies with big stars and all, yet you might never have heard of them. Or you didn't care.

      Boycott spineless crap. Look out for substance.
      Demand, and there will be supply, but don't expect the world to tell you where to find it in big letters. That's how Joe Sixpack gets told what to watch.

    16. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In ten years I suspect that Lord of the Rings will remain known as one of the greatest sets of movies ever, while something like (dare I say it) Brokeback Mountain will be relegated to a minority and dwindling fanbase. Movies that do one step worse and sacrifice everything for the message are doomed to failure.

      You have made the mistake of equating popularity with quality. The lord of the rings challenged no one to think. As storylines go, it's pretty much pure pablum - that you think it has "depth of plot" says more about your viewpoint than it does about the story. A story which clearly had length, but so many characters and so many events were archetypes right out of Joeseph Campbell's monomyth that it was as familiar and pedestrian as a thousand other good-battles-evil stories.

      The movies were popular because they looked pretty, had enormous advertising budgets and were faithful enough to a story that huge numbers of people enjoyed as teenagers because it was one of their first exposures to the monomyth and thus played on the human tendency to mistake novelity for sophistication.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the movies were bad. The are just simplistic and bland - requiring no thought on the part of the audience, which is good enough for most people. But certainly nothing more than "chewing gum for the mind."

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    17. Re:Hollywood is out of ideas by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Funny

      Disclaimer: I'm Irish/English/Scottish/German/Candian/American.

      So fsck off back to where you came from!

  3. You. by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I happened to watch Stargate Atlantis and there was an incredible scene that just caught the emotion and emergency."

    After reading that, I must seriously question your ability to judge any film or video work.

  4. art has been replaced by... by middlemen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is simple, the art and passion which existed in making movies and entertaining people has been replaced by hunger for making money by thrusting whatever junk they create, called "art and entertainment", into people's throats. That is why some independent movies do well, not all but some, because only some people decide to make a movie because either they want to entertain people or just tell a story for the sake of telling a story and not "selling" a story. That is why sequels suck and will always suck.

    1. Re:art has been replaced by... by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Sequels suck and will always suck.
      Umm, what about Back to the Future?
    2. Re:art has been replaced by... by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is why sequels suck and will always suck.

      For me it doesn't matter if a sequel - or a remake, or a filmatization of a tv-series - sucks or not. A sequel can be fully as good as the original and I'll still not go see it anymore.

      My problem is, sequels are dedicated to give me "more of the same" - which I don't want anymore. I saw the original already, I liked it - but why would I want to spend my limited time and money seeing the same stuff again? It's like going to a restaurant and always ordering the same thing. Some people like that. I prefer getting something different.

      Frankly, I'm tired of the form that is a feature movie. Maybe it's me getting old or whatever, but I'm unable to build any enthusiasm even for movies I should really like. I think it started with Lord of The Rings, actually, which I saw and enjoyed - they're everything a movie should be for me - but to my own surprise I never felt I actually cared about it. I saw the first two, then really just forgot about seeing the third. I finally did see it on DVD, but out of a sense of duty, of finishing off something I started, more than anything else. It was great, it was absorbing, it was magnificient - and I would not have missed it at all had I simply skipped the whole thing.

      We've had the 2-hour feature for a century or so; perhaps it's time for the form to reinvent itself?

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    3. Re:art has been replaced by... by Dadoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the art and passion which existed in making movies and entertaining people has been replaced by hunger for making money

      I totally agree with you.

      I also find it interesting you say this, especially since, when the studios are talking about piracy, they always insist that, if we don't pay for their material, quality will suffer. I'm not trying to condone piracy, or anything, but I think we all know that's a bunch of BS.

      Every so often, you hear about some actor who made a big deal (walked off a set, etc.) about the "art" of making a movie or television show, or didn't want to sell out. I always used to think they were just being childish, but I'm beginning to see their point of view.

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    4. Re:art has been replaced by... by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sequels suck and will always suck.

      Umm, what about Back to the Future?


      It proves the point.

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    5. Re:art has been replaced by... by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like how The Matrix and The Pirates of the Caribbean suddenly became a part of a trilogy when the originals became hugely successful and Hollywood realized that there would be money in making a sequel, but they didn't want to call them sequels?

  5. Producers and Studios by Jherico · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Producers and studios are more intereasted in making one generic sure fire hit than in investing in small interesting movies. The very beauracracy that makes these huge movies and hypes them to no end in an effort to make money ends up turning them into crap.

    Also, Bryan Singer was a total dick to leave the X-Men series to die a painful death and go direct a sub-par Superman movie. What an asshole.

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  6. Simple answer by sakusha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason why movies suck is very simple.

    In the "golden age" of movies (whenever you consider that to be) movies were made by writers, directors, and actors who considered it an art form. Today, the studios are run by people who consider it a profit-oriented business.

    Sure, the studios always wanted to make money. But technology has improved and now it is extremely expensive to produce a movie to modern technological standards, so budgets have skyrocketed. No studio will take risks when they're spending $100 million MINIMUM to make a movie. Unfortunately, art is all about taking risks.

    1. Re:Simple answer by soupforare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to be facetious but what's "modern technological standards"?
      We went decades upon decades without digital editing, let alone recording.

      $100M minimum?
      You can make a film, *film* now, for a fraction of that. You could shoot on video and make it a fraction of that fraction.

      It seems to me that the amazingly high cost of movie making comes from ridiculous CGI, over-inflated talent payrolls, and marketing blitzes that start a year before the movie's even done shooting.

      Clerks was ~$40k
      pi was ~$60k
      cube was ~$250k

      I'm not trying to pull some bullshit romanticism faggotry. I'm just saying that pandering to the masses with shineys and pretty faces that we all know and love isn't going to promote cinema as an art.

      There's nothing wrong with either but there should be room for both.

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    2. Re:Simple answer by sakusha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Movies have completely changed technologically over the past 25 years. Look at mainstream movies from the early 1970s and compare them with what they make today. I don't mean look at them on a DVD or TV, look at them in a theater. Everything has changed. Lenses and cameras are sharper, film stock is lower grain, sound production has gone from simple stereo to surround sound, even the lighting is better. Go look at a film from the 1970s, some film about filmmaking, like Truffaut's "Day for Night." Compare what they use to the kind of equipment is used on today's films. A typical modern film spends more renting ONE camera than they used to spend on their whole equipment budget.

      I watched all this stuff change when I worked in Hollywood in the 1980s. Everyone talked about how the "bean counters" were taking over Hollywood, and how expensive productions were. I think the breaking point was the big Writer's Strike in 1988, the writers saw how much money producers, directors, and actors were getting, and they wanted a piece of the pie. Of course they didn't get squat.

      Yeah, there's always the exception of some ultra-low budget movie that breaks big, but those never come from Hollywood, they're always from outsiders. The Studio system produces BIG movies because they believe that's the way to make big money. That's what pandering to the masses is all about.

    3. Re:Simple answer by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 5, Funny

      That explains why movies have been so bad - the Writer's strike that started in 1988 hasn't ended yet.

    4. Re:Simple answer by John+Meacham · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget 'Primer' http://imdb.com/title/tt0390384/ made for $7,000 and is excellent. The only movie I ever immediatly rewound and watched again. Also one of the few good time travel movies out there that doesn't gloss over the messy details of causality, but rather revels in them.

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  7. The writing is the problem, for the most part by DavidinAla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm just getting into filmmaking right now. (I've only made one short film, which has been in 11 film festivals so far.) The problem that I see with most films (both Hollywood and indie) is the writing. In general, the technical work in movies is the best it's ever been. Acting is competent, at worst. The problems are in story construction and other aspects of writing. If you have a bad script, it doesn't matter how good your actors or photography or special effects are. Writing has been getting steadily worse for about 40 years. It has to do, IMO, with movie execs who are ignorant and illiterate. They don't know good writing -- as the great producers of the past did.

    David

    1. Re:The writing is the problem, for the most part by imperious_rex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're absolutely right, but not in quite the way that you think. Remember the Hollywood writer's strike in the late 80's? If you don't, I guarantee you the studios certainly do. That strike thrust Hollywood into major turmoil, and the studios weren't going to let that happen again anytime soon. Why did the television industry latch onto "reality" shows so enthusaiastically? No real scripts and no writers required (not to mention low wage non-SAG "talent" in front of the camera). For more about the writer's strike (and a little insight into the machinery of Hollywood), check out this article.

    2. Re:The writing is the problem, for the most part by syberanarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The reason for this is that writers are shit on by the Hollywood system. Honestly. Alex Garland was given 1m to write the Halo script. I guarantee you that the director, stars, hell - even some producers will make more on that film than the writer. Writers in general have no real incentive to make a script good after getting "in the door," simply because they a) are paid the lowest of any creative professional in tinseltown, and b) don't see an extra dime if the film does well.


      It's bullshit, especially because good direction can never save a shitty script. Directors - especially on the indie circuit - are egocentric little sods who go on and on about "communicating" their "vision." It really is like the director thinks it is "*their* movie. Why do you think so many decent writers want to direct? Not all of them are qualified, but it's the only way to get any goddamn respect.


      I'm in the process of putting together an independent feature, and I can tell you, the director of the piece has been nothing but a liability. I keep him around because he's got some very good contacts and is an amazing bullshit artist (which will come in handy when it comes time to go to festival), but he acts as if I'm "just the writer." His attitude cost us when his little "I am worth so much" tirade turned off a wealthy relative to financing us. Now, we're running on sweat and blood. He pulled a Troy Duffy.


      Writers OUGHT to fucking strike their asses off until they are given the same respect - if not more - that is given to directors.

    3. Re:The writing is the problem, for the most part by trifish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are right, it's about the scripts. BUT, screenwriters are not the guilty ones, the producers who pick bad screenwriters are.

      Other problems of todays movies:

      1) Emphasis on money rather than artistic values (unlike in the 60s and 70s and even in 80s).

      2) Emphasis on good-looking teenage and under-25 actors (because teenagers are the majority of cinema goers). This brings in shallow themes and shallow characters (by the way, I'm 29).

      3) Emphasis on the visual FX. This again brings in shallow themes.

      4) Something like "fluidum" (sorry can't find a better term) of the 90's which also affected music. There are virtually no new original ideas. Everyone just remakes or remixes old hits. Only a few new good hits have been written in the second half of the 90s. In the 80s there was one original hit written each week. Most of todays teenagers don't even know that 60% of today songs borrow themes from the 80s.

      When I was a kid in the 80s I really enjoyed music. When 90s came I was like "what the hell is wrong with the song writers?" This happened in the movie industry too. We are just experiencing different eras with distinct characterists just like, say, there were differences between Renaissance and Baroque. Fortunately, in modern times the eras change every decade, rather than every century.

    4. Re:The writing is the problem, for the most part by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 2, Informative

      The writer may start off with a good script but it's soon out of their hands.

      It gets rewritten by the backers, the producers, the director, and the lead actors. All these groups will have their own writers, and will be pulling to make the version which is best for them.

  8. Sturgeon's Law by GrumpySimon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.

    I don't think movies are getting worse - they're just as crap as they always have been.

    1. Re:Sturgeon's Law by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful
      they're just as crap as they always have been.

      The older we get the more crap we have seen and the less tolerant we are of new crap. Hence the question: why is there so much crap around these days?

      Things which I thought were pretty good when I was 20 now look like crap to be 20 years later. Maybe the absolute level of crap today is the same as is was in the past.

    2. Re:Sturgeon's Law by umbrellasd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The more abundant the resources, the less effective the selection process. Put another way: as the cost of production falls, volume rises, because peoples' ability to be bored remains a constant.

      Compare these extremes: Pixar Studios and youtube.com. In the former case you have a company that has staked its success on a small number of expensive to produce products and consequently the selection process is very stringent before anything reaches distribution. In the latter case, the cost of production and distribution is astonishingly low and so is volume of crap.

      Technology lowers the bar. Just like having cars leads to fatter asses on average, the diminishing cost efficiency of TV and mainstream theatre production and distribution puts the content in the middle of the quality vs. volume graph.

      So yeah, there is more crap. It's inevitable. But also, there is a higher percentage of crap because the forces that cull lower quality are also weaker.

  9. "Lately"...? by bscott · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TV is, by and large, advertiser funded. Advertisers like to aim at youthful people who are thought to be more easily influenced by their messages. Advertisers therefore gravitate towards shows aimed for the 18-34 segment. And mmost movies are aimed at younger audiences who have the spare time and money and freedom to actually go to them.

    If you find yourself saying "Gee, TV sure is bad these days" then there's a fair chance you celebrated your 35th birthday recently... TV is the same as it's always been, you've just outgrown a lot of it.

    Also see Sturgeon's law.

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  10. Some Movies aren't too bad by imemyself · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think I really agree with you about the movies. Yeah, there are a lot of movies with no depth, but there have been several in the past year or so that I've really liked. (The Inside Man, Lord of War, V is for Vendetta, Syriana, and a few others IIRC). I think it might be more of you just not liking the genre's of films that are being put out (not as many sci-fi). That doesn't mean that the quality of movies is necessarily going down.

    TV generally sucks, but I don't think that's anything new. I rarely watch TV other than the news (and I get most of that off the Internet anyway), and occasionally a sitcom or two while I'm eating dinner.

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    1. Re:Some Movies aren't too bad by mikesd81 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I watched V for Vendetta and for as long as the movie was I would have thought more character depth and plot would be there.....perhaps it is due to the fact I never read the comic.

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  11. Dear Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why were things always so much better in my day?

  12. Why are movies so bad lately? by vandelais · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Increasing seasonality.

    Summertime 'popcorn' movies are usually the least fulfilling for intellectual people.

    The best original stories are increasingly backended towards the time of year when studios and tabloids focus on awards.
    Hollywood doesn't squeeze any new decent TV out this time of year when people are taking their kids on vacation and stuff.

    In the meantime, start with the IMDB top 250 and see what you haven't.

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  13. It's the "hacktors" by ericdano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's the actors. You get the same bunch of losers doing all the films. Colin Farrell, Tom Cruise, Linsey Lohan, etc. It's boring to see them do film after film, especially when they can't act (Tom did, once upon a time).

    Oh, and the films. A remake of Dukes of Hazard? Miami Vice? What is next, Married with Children? A Dallas movie? T.J. Hooker? Come on guys, there are great books out there that could be made into films. How about a version of "I, Robot" that actually follows Asimov's book? The last Superman movie. Terrible. They should have waited another year or two and did the film with the cast of Smallville. I mean, seriously, Lex from Smallville vs. the latest Superman's? No comparison.

    I can see why great actors like James Spader turn to T.V. now rather than film. Unless you land a Harry Potter film, or are a voice actor in a Pixar film, or are in a Spiderman or Pirates sequel, it probably not going to do well at all.

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  14. If there's one good thing to come from it... by rinkjustice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it's that there's been greater public attention to documentaries (and hopefully more docs will be funded in the future). For example, I wonder if An Inconvenient Truth would be receiving so much attention if it wasn't for such a dearth of quality Hollywood movies.

    That being said, have you been outside lately?!

  15. Problem soon to be remedied... by kawika · · Score: 4, Funny

    Solution: Snakes on a Plane!

    1. Re:Problem soon to be remedied... by nanoakron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now Ninjas on a Plane...that I'd see!

  16. When were (most) movies good? by apflwr3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When do you think movies were good? The 90's? The 80's? Look at the top ten list from just about any week from any year. There'll be one classic, maybe two, and one movie that's so bad it's good, and the rest is mediocre and forgettable. Most mainstream movies have always been aimed at the lowest common demoninator and if you think movies from the past were better you're just applying selective memory. Yes, there were times (e.g. in the 70's) when the bar was raised a little higher, but even then most movies were still dreck.

    That said, there are great independant movies being made every day and even an occasional a big-budget flick that gets everything right. Some of it's foreign, some of them are documentaries, most will require a little more effort to locate (like browsing new areas of Netflix. It's not like the great movies from the past have disappeared, either-- if you can't find anything new to watch, why not try a classic you've never seen?

    By the way, there's one more factor to take into account-- maybe you're just getting old. Look at some movies you used to think were great 10 or 20 years ago (I have no idea how old you are...) and see if they're as good as you remember.

    1. Re:When were (most) movies good? by UltraAyla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wholeheartedly agree - especially with the selective memory and the age. I think much of this is the "when I was your age, things were better" syndrome. Everything starts to seem worth less in comparison to idealized memories of things you love, and when you add inflation on top of it, people who are accustomed to movies costing a dollar think that 10 is outrageous. I'm still young by most anyone's standards, and I think 10 is outrageous. But ask a 12 or 13 year old who is just starting to go see movies, and they'll just assume that's what a movie is worth, and then they'll think that 20 dollars is astronomical in another decade. Also, I think that summer isn't the best time to be analyzing movie quality. All the big budget movies come out right before the academy awards these days (sadly) and summer movies tend to be explosions strung together for an hour and a half or so in order to draw throngs of teenagers and middle aged men - which isn't to say they aren't fun, but that I'm not gonna pay 10 bucks to see it (proving my earlier point, I guess).

      maybe movies really are declining in quality, but it's so hard to tell from our biased frame of reference, that I just assume our standards are warped by the first "good" things we see.

  17. movies have always sucked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    there's always been shitty movies, and moviemaking has ALWAYS been an explicitly for-profit venture. hence the beginnings of hollywood, which was little more than a way to avoid licensing technology developed by Thomas Edision by virtue of being out of his reach.

    the reason older movies seem so great, and new movies seem so the suck, is because you're only remembering the Metropolises, the Battleship Potemkins, the Citizen Kanes, the 8 1/2s, the Mon Oncles, the Dr. Strangeloves, the 2001s, the Apocalypse Nows, and so on. you're talking about over a HUNDRED years of filmmaking, and gotta tell you, they certainly wasn't ALL winners. Plenty of chaff in there to pad down the wheat. And seriously, in about 20 years there will definitely be a handful of films that absolutely stand up as classics of the early 21st century.

    can't say much about stargate or whatever the fuck, cause that shit's retarded.

  18. money doesn't require it by eliot1785 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Movie productions are actually investor-led enterprises, despite the fact that they are also an art form. While there are a lot of movies whose directors and actors really care about communicating an important vision or message, there are also a lot of movies that are designed solely to appeal to as many people as possible. They fill the movie with cliches and implications designed to please as many people as possible, but in appealing to everybody enough to get them to see the movie, they appeal to very few people enough to get them to actually like it.

    Superman Returns is a case in point. Did you notice how that was simultaneously marketed to evangelicals with "Superman as Jesus figure" and gays with that article "Is Superman Gay?" and liberals with Lex Luthor's "bring it on" statement in the trailers? In reality the movie was none of these things, they just wanted to intrigue as many people as possible to bring them to the theaters.

    Bottom line: For people trying to make the "summer blockbuster," it doesn't matter if the movie is good, as long as it sells. You make more money increasing expectations than delivering on those expectations.

    This is why niche and indie movies are often better, because the primary goal of the writers, directors and actors is to present their vision. Now, I actually like a fair number of mainstream movies, but certainly not most of them.

  19. Simple Answer... by BTWR · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Q: Why are movies so bad lately?

    A: Because it's a tired, cliched question/statement.


    This year, like every year, has had some great movies and some bad ones. In the past year, we've had Superman Returns, Pirates of the Carribean 2, United 93, Munich, Millions, Crash, Capote, Match Point, Hustle & Flow, Batman Begins, Sin City, Walk the Line, Murderball, The Constant Gardener, A History of Violence, March of the Penguins, Wallace & Grommit...

    And that's just to name a few. Is this any better than other year? No, not really. It's just that every year, there's always a lot more trashy art than good art. Any nostalgia for "back then" being better than now is just smoke and mirrors. For every Schindler's List, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Godfather Part II, you got Police Academy 6, Halloween 3, and Monster a Go-Go in those years (or shortly around it, that was just off the top of my head).

    I'm sick of all these "movies/books/music/crime rates/teenagers were all better back then" arguments. Baloney. We only remember the best, and today, when every friday we get 3 new mediocre movies and every few weeks a decent one, we forget that there were also new movies every week in the 90s and 80s, and countless 8-track trash music from the 70s, and romance novels have been around since the 40s.

    1. Re:Simple Answer... by wfberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Two words; "package deals".

      TV stations routinely get offered deals that include a few blockbuster hits, or really good movies, and 10 pieces of indefensible filler. Sometimes, the contract even spells out that the crappy movies MUST be aired. This is why TV stations will sometimes have 'specials' focussing on a particular actor (or e.g. the entire Police Academy serieS); they had to buy all his movies, just to show the good ones. This is also why you can sometimes see feature films programmed in the middle of the night. No one will watch them, but they're aired, so the requirements of the package deal are fulfilled. The TV stations get 12 movies for the price of 3, the studios get royalties on their back-catalogue (and can claim million dollar losses if you download one of those long forgotten movies), and everybody's a winner - except if you happen to be awake in the middle of the night and flipping over to a channel showing Police Academy 6..

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  20. The remakes I can understand by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For as long as people have told stories, storytellers have had the tendency to put their own touch on the stories they received from those before them. I see the rash of remakes as a manifestation of this, as reinterpretations.

    Now, the suckage is a completely different matter.

  21. It's a trick of perception. by NereusRen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you ever heard someone say the following: "Look at this really old [thing]! It's still in great condition, whereas my new [thing] broke already! They sure don't make things like they used to..."

    When you look at all the old things you have that have lasted 30 years and work great, compared to the things that break easily, you're comparing the worksmanship of the set {things that were built 30+ years ago and are still working} to {things that were built a few years ago}... of course all the older things you see around you are better-made, even if the worksmanship standards haven't actually changed over the years, because of the natural filter that they're still working, or else they wouldn't be around for you to compare.

    Similarly, the set {movies I remember from more than a few years ago} will clearly be better than {movies from this year}, simply by virtue of the fact that you remember the better ones and forget the worse. Comparing today's Hollywood crap to yesterday's cream of the crop is unintentional, but it's exactly what's going on everytime someone rehashes this "story" every few months.

  22. Lack of Competition by intrico · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the movie theather market for major motion picture releases, there is very little competition. Here in the very large central region of california - an area encompassing a few large counties, there are dozens of movie theaters - but they are all owned by one company - Regal Cinemas (Regal bought out many chains, including United Artist and Edwards). When one chain has a monopoly over regional markets like this, they can afford to take a major hit in revenue and still remain very profitable. Also, major theater chains have exclusive deals with the major studios.

    Since there are less than ten major studios like Sony, Paramount, etc. (which is VERY FEW when you consider the overall demand for movies) with massive marketing power, there is plenty of consumer money to be divvy'd up between the studios. Indie film producers and studios have a hard time getting their films into these major chains due to the fact that the (few) major studios have good relationships with the few major chains and effectively shut them out.

    These factors along with the fact that big companies do not like to take "creative risks", leave the major studios with little incentive to change from "tried & true" formulas in film creation. This leads to less overall creativity in the long run, and although ticket numbers are down, these companies are still VERY profitable.
     
    Of course, the Internet can change this and one can argue that the Internet has in fact contributed to the growing popularity of Indie films, which can be quite a refreshing change from the formulaic, predictable Major Releases.
     
    This can also be tied to Net neutrality... one of the reasons the major Telcos oppose net neutrality is because they see the potential for lucrative relationships with the Few Big Motion Picture Distributors to deliver their movies at high speed to their customers, while the speed of other content is capped (i.e. really good, creative, cutting-edge Indie Films that have the potential to be hits and compete with the major studios, but obviously lack the $$$ to share with the Telcos).

  23. A little research is all you need by goodbadorugly · · Score: 2, Informative
    Im going to take a different approach and say that if you honestly think good movies arent coming out anymore, you arent looking particularly hard.

    First of all, video on demand is not the place to begin your search, oh I know its convenient, but chances are you'll only find last years crap that couldn't make back production costs. Best of luck finding something good.

    Check out some movie review sites before judging whether a movie is worth your time or not http://www.rottentomatoes.com/ has a pretty good track record with me.

    Also, you don't necessarily need to watch something thats come out in the past few years, hundreds of good films have come come out over the past 80 years. I'd be willing to bet that you could easily dig up something good with a quick google search. I personally would much rather sit down with a good film noir than the 99% crap track record hollywood has going on. Start on the IMDB 250 http://www.imdb.com/chart/top and I guarantee you'll never be short of something good to watch.

  24. Movies are NOT getting worse by ivan1011001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, there have ALWAYS been bad movies.

    Secondly, I ran a simple python script on the IMDB's top 250 movies database and then sorted the titles by year, and then by decade.

    below is a table showing the number of movies from a decade that made the IMDB's top 250 movies list.

    1920s 5
    1930s 15
    1940s 23
    1950s 39
    1960s 31
    1970s 25
    1980s 29
    1990s 41
    2000s 41

    As you can see, there are plenty of good movies out there. The submitter just needs to get a life.

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    1. Re:Movies are NOT getting worse by Will2k_is_here · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wait, you wrote a simple python script to yank the top 250 movies off of imdb, and sort them according to year and decade?

      You officially win slashdot, this site will now close.

      ...

      In all seriousness I blame advertising. Curse this society so capable of advertisement! T.V., radio, billboards, Internet, viral advertising, previews like you wouldn't believe! (That previews guy plays up *every* movie like that, eh?) I would wager that there are roughly equal numbers of "good" movies (good a relative term to the viewer of course) per year since the thirties.

      The problem is there are so many more average to bad movies being produced in recent years that it seems like movies are continually getting worse and worse. This is especially so with movies that are advertised as "the next big blockbuster", "the film of the summer/year/decade/century", etc. so we are led to believe we are going to see a good movie but really it's just average. I realized this stuff a few years ago: "Pay it forward", "The Majestic", and "Hart's War" were all advertised that way. "War of the Worlds" and "Red eye" are some recent examples I can think of. Not that they were terrible movies, but they were advertised like they were the film of the year. Since 2000, how many movies (besides LOTR) can you think of that are actually great films? I count only a few out of the top 50 off of that top 250 list at imdb, and some are foreign films I've never heard of. Then think again about how many trailers you've seen in the last few years which talk like their films are shoe-ins for Oscar glory? (And what's the deal with "Snakes on a Plane"?)

      Another contributer are sequels which are not designed to be trilogies but are obviously just money grabbers. How about the sequels to "The Matrix", or "Spiderman"? Back to the Future III anyone? Have you met the Fockers? Oceans 12? My sister hated Pirates of the Carribean 2. The sequels were decent but the originals deserved to be stand-alone films. They have watered down the masterpiece that is the original. Of course the advertisers play up the trilogy theme trying to focus our attention on how cool the sequel will be. I'd say watching the original begins with a passive attitude before but finishes with a high. The sequel feeds off of this high as you begin but usually trails off to a passive attitude in the end leaving the entire story wanting.

      Case in point: The last two Pictures of the Year were Million Dollar Baby and Crash. I had personally only first heard of these films at Oscar time.
      Case in point: I've found that M. Night Shyamalan understands this stuff well. All his films are stand-alone (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Signs, The Village, and now Lady in the Water which I haven't seen yet). In interviews he indicated how he didn't want any of these movies to be advertised as "From the director who brought you..." because he wants the movie to do itself justice. The trailers make the audience enter the film with a sense of mystery and leave with a sense of satisfaction. The trailers do not advertise themselves as huge blockbusters, but just as good movies. Nor do they feed off of the success of others, but simply sell themselves because they are good movies.

      My advise for finding good movies: pay only minimal attention to the advertising. If you read and hear a ton about it and the commercials seem like the movie will blow you away, it definately won't. Take in only enough information to get an idea for what the movie is about. If you like the idea, you'll like the movie. I usually wait for Oscar time to see which film I never heard of wins big. Those are the ones I like the most. I found "The Pianist", "Crash", and "Hotel Rwanda" that way - all of which were good films.

      (I should also mention that another contributer is the advancement of our household technology. People don't need to go to the theater to get a good movie experience when they can get even better at home. Not to mention the proliferation of pirated movies available for free

    2. Re:Movies are NOT getting worse by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The IMDB is not really a good reference for such statistics because most people simply do not know the early movies anymore, you will find hardly any voter, who knows the 1929 version of Nosferatu which still is one of the main references for modern vampire or generally horror movies, you also will not find many who know the 1975 Werner Herzog Remake, which qualitywise definitely belongs onto the list. While movies like Star Wars Episode 1,2,3 are arguable some of the worst movies ever made but you still can find them there. Such best of movies lists are highly dubious due to various reasons, the main one that most voters of such lists have a very limited scope of what has been done outside of there teen years/20s...

  25. Did you just turn 35? by ewg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you just turn 35? It seems like movies are pitched at the demographic from teenagers to mid-thirties. By 35, you've seen every trick in the Hollywood book, so nothing seems fresh. Everything strikes you as a copy of something you've already seen.

    I submit it's not that the movies have been so bad lately, but rather that your sensibilities have changed.

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  26. Here's my take on it... by wtansill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Passion does not scale well. The greatest restaurants are all one-offs where the staff is passionate about serving good food and giving the customer a quality experience. Programs that we love to use (Linux, say) are put together by people who are passionate about what they do to the point of evangelism. Art house movies are made by people who are passionate about using cinematic techniques to tell stories that are compelling both visually and in terms of their plotlines. But passion takes time, is monetarilly intensive, and, let's face it, is a crapshoot; there are many folks who are passionate about their beer can collections or what have you (I knew a woman who was fascinated by bricks or all things), but they aren't ever going to make money from it.

    Enter the financial folks. They are absolutely necessary any time a business moves beyond being an expensive hobby, but they will strive for efficieny. Efficiency is best gained by homogenizing operations, but that also weeds out the things that tended to make the enterprise truly great in the first place. On top of that, some things (movies in this case) are enormously expensive to make (someone has to pay Industrial Light and Magic for all those special effects), and once the expense goes up, the natural tendency is to minimize risk. But again, minimizing risk keeps you from taking that fresh view and going out on a limb.

    Sometimes this isn't really all that bad. If I swing by the supermarket to pick up a gallon of milk I want commodity pricing, and the bean counters excell at building the sort of enterprise that can deliver those commodity prices. You want really good creative stuff? Stay far away from the big guys and shell out extra for the starving artists who live for this sort of thing.

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  27. Wow... Stargate Atlantis? by shidoshi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was at a friend's house last night, and for whatever reason, that show seemed to be playing for hours. (I'm not sure if that's typical Sci-Fi, of if he had it on his DVR.) I'm going to be honest here... after watching what I did of it, you couldn't pay me to watch that show.

    I know it's cool and hip to bash on Hollywood movies and network TV, but there IS quite a bit of worthwhile content out there if you actually take the time to look. I think the problem is some people just expect too much from EVERYTHING, and don't know when to just relax and have fun with something.

  28. Nothing has changed from '20s till now.... by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do you think the crap/good ratio has changed? Do you have any idea of the sheer number of bad B-type movies that were created in the previous decades that noone remembers or cares about?

    The reason that it just seems like there is a high ratio of crap is because you only remember the GREAT movies of yesteryear. You don't remember the 1000+ cowboy/indian westerns or melodramatic romances because you most likely have never heard of them. You just remember Casablanca/Citizen Kane/etc.

  29. Face it by tsa · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're getting older man.

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  30. Writing by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I'm not a big fan of the Stargate franchise, but I think you've sort of answered your own question by mentioning them. You like a good story, and Stargate relies mostly on stories to hold its audience. They have to, because, by entertainment industry standards, they're a shoestring operation. Yeah, they do have some fancy special effects. But its cheap stuff. I can't be bothered to look up the figures, but I know that Stargate and Battlestar spend less for a whole season's SFX than a lot of movies (including some non-SF movies!) spend for a couple of hours.

    Movies, by contrast, have huge budgets. Even so-called Indies cost tens of millions. And the kind of movie most people go to see costs at least $100 million to make. When you're risking that much money, you don't take chances. You put those millions into name stars, fancy effects, epic scenes — things people can see. You're so busy with that stuff, and with all the politics and ego-soothing, you don't worry about coming up with a good script. And you don't need to — a script doesn't sell a movie. Except, of course, to a tiny few like you and me.

  31. Re:Couldn't Agree More by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SG-1 is on Season 10 right now (this weekend was the second ep of the season). I agree completely that the sunset of RDA's tenure was painful - he simply didn't take his character seriously enough most of the time, which is unfortunate because even during the start of his decline (season six), he had some stellar performances in episodes like Abyss (where he was captured by Baal) and The Changeling (although Chris Judge was really the star of that episode). RDA achieved balance during the earlier seasons, combining a great sense of humor with a knack for powerful performance, and it was a shame to see him tarnish that legacy with so many mediocre appearances just before he left.

    Michael Shanks is their anchor now, and he still has the balance between humor and drama that he honed working with RDA in the earlier seasons. Of course, now he's stuck playing that balance off of Claudia Black, who, while she can give a great performance, often doesn't get the chance because her character is two steps away from comic relief. Amanda Tapping and Chris Judge are also very talented, but for some reason they don't get nearly enough chances these days to go beyond their caricatured roles of nerdy physicist and stoic warrior.

    Atlantis, on the other hand, lacks plot direction. It amounts to "flail blindly against the ravages of the Wraith", without any sort of clue as to what the team's plan is or where they're going. I think this is partly due to the Wraith being a faceless horde of nobodies, while the enemies with real personality never seem to pose more than a transient threat. The acting is good (David Hewlett shows the most potential, in my opinion, but any growth his character shows always seems to disappear by the next episode), the directing is good, and the design and effects are top-notch. The writers just need to figure out where this boat is going and clue us in the tiniest bit.

  32. Re:Couldn't Agree More by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oops! This weekend was the third episode of the season in the US, not the second. Sorry :/

  33. It doesn't make sense by MagicAlex84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having just watched Serenity and all the episodes of Firefly I've come to the conclusion that nobody cares about entertainment that's meaningful, because if the opposite were true then Firefly would still be on TV and nobody would give a shit about American Idol.

  34. Completely uninspiring by mcgroarty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Movies used to inspire. They were about characters who you admired or wanted to emulate, and there wasn't any ambiguity about right and wrong.

    Bring back the heroic guy - we've had enough wishy-washy characters who always have a major personal flaw. Bring back the fantastic dame who hangs off his arm -- she can be superhuman too, but that doesn't mean she has to take him down a peg at every chance. Bring back the strident and brave adventure, be it action, discovery, business, or voyage -- let the hero make the movie happen instead of being passively bounced about by heavy-handed plot devices. Bring back the unquestionably evil villain and don't fret about whether we understand his horrible childhood. Bring back the black-and-white morality - we like to see bad squashed and good heralded. If the film's going to go deep, don't go deep into the thousandth iteration of Hollywood feel-good stay-between-the-lines PC pop psych preaching... we go to the theater for a momentary escape from that. And for the love of christ, quit talking down to the audience.. It's okay to challenge the viewer once in a while.

  35. Cultural slump by rocketman768 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem with all the answers I see above is that they are all looking too narrowly at the situation. What this slashdotter has witnessed is a part of the recent death in creativity in all arts. Why do you think music sales have sucked it up in the past 8 or 10 years? It's not the mp3's, it's just that all the music is a fake imitation of real creativity. Think about it for a few minutes...what has been the last musical renaissance? Metal. When? Early 80's. It's been 20+ years when (if you do a tiny bit of research) you will find that new genres of music have been appearing every 10-20 years. Literature is the same, as is Hollywood.

    I went to see a film a year ago, and I counted 10 previews for movies that were remakes of older movies. Insane. And not only are they remakes, they are remakes who bank on special effects and the "ah" factor to carry the power of the film. This is weak. This is analogous to the Backstreet Boys in music who rely on their looks and harmony rather than the actual musical content.

    There you have it: cultural slump. Go see indie films and be a part of a movement. That is the only way to break it.

  36. I used to wonder just this by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to wonder just what you are asking. Then I saw MST3K. Once you realize the sheer number of abysmally bad movies from the past, you begin to understand that movies haven't gotten worse at all. If anything, they have gotten far better. Name one major movie released this year that has bad audio, bad camerawork, or incompetent editing? You can't do it. No matter how awful today's movies are, they still look and sound amazingly better than movies of the past.

    Today's movies fail in terms of writing, acting, directing, or, in some cases, all of the above. Implausible plots, paper acting, horrible cinematography - none of this is new. But we don't remember "Monster a Go Go" or "Manos: The Hands of Fate". We do remember "Back to the Future".

    That said, this year has been particularly weak. There's no Matrix, no Star Wars, no Harry Potter, and no Lord of the Rings. This year seems weak because 2001-2004 were so astoundingly strong. Whether or not you liked "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone", seeing the franchise come to the big screen was a huge deal for many, many people. The "Lord of the Rings" series was one of the most anticipated film adaptations ever. And although the "Star Wars" prequels were generally regarded as weak, the special effects were amazing.

    I can name tons of movies that I enjoyed over the past 10 years, from Pixar's films (Incredibles / Nemo / Monsters / Toy Story) to the superhero films that worked (X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman Begins) to the unique and bizzare films (GATTACA, Fight Club, Memento) to great action/suspense films (The Matrix, Collateral) and a lot more.

  37. What bad movies? by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Bad movies?! My friend, what are you complaining about? Armed with the IMDb and a little thing called taste, I haven't seen a bad movie in ages.

    In just the last few months, I've been dazzled by cool stuff by Michael Haneke (*the* coolest end-of-the-world movie ever made, "Hour of the Wolf," the creepy "Hidden," and the revoltingly subversive "Funny Games") and Takashi Miike (the icy "Black Society" trilogy), the awesome 1976 black comedy "Network," and a pair of superb recent documentaries, "New York Doll" (70s glam rock) and "Why We Fight" (Eisenhower's warning against the military industrial complex). I can't also forget "The Servant," a sinister 60s-era British flick (made by Joseph Losey, the immensely talented film industry outcast from Wisconsin) about a manservant slowly taking over his master's life which has the additional gift of having been adapted by our recent Nobel Laureate in literature, Harold Pinter. Oh, yeah, and two really different, fantastic dramas about the boxing life: "Fat City" (1972) and "The Set-Up" (1949). Hell, I'd watch more, but the week's only so long and I have to make room for possibly the best serial drama ever made, Deadwood--a masterpiece in our time!

    See, it's too late in the day to complain about Hollywood. Disappointment and boredom will await you if you depend on the idiot factory. Happily, the rest of the planet hasn't lost its touch. The library of international film is so full of good and even astonishing work that you need a lifetime to watch it all.

    Like any subject, you won't get very far without some guidance. The little paragraph in the On Demand section? That isn't going to cut it. Get hold of a good film companion like Halliwell's, and read some of the great movie critics like Andrew Sarris or Pauline Kael. Or if you want to start this instant, then peruse the reliable Roger Ebert's short odes to great films. Start at random, you can hardly go wrong with anything here:

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/secti on?category=REVIEWS08

  38. I totally do agree with him. by AnXa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am 19, and I have watched a lots of films in my life. Espesially with friends. And I have to say that most Hollywood films are just boring, stypid, they're not funny when they supposed to be so. And it's overall very bad. Now, when films are this bad, less and less people go to watch them. And then Hollywood can easily talk about how piracy is causing them to loss more and more money when in fact hollywood is making big mistake not trying to fix their own problems with big productions. At least some small productions with a lot of less money are occasionally making o.k films. But usually Asian productions are much better. Japanese action and horror films are great. At the moment I know only one American film director who has made some good movies lately, and he is Quentin Tarantino. Can you agree with me?

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  39. Re:Couldn't Agree More by syukton · · Score: 2, Informative

    the history on the pegasus arc of the sg1 panoply indicates atlantis was both the first and last inabited city in that galaxy, but it has no zpm factory?

    I don't call that a stupid tactical blunder, I call that a stupid viewer. I'm sorry, but a little bit needs to be left to the imagination so that you can "what if" the story a little bit, opening your mind to a new possibility. Asking for every single thing to be written out for you is the mark of complete mental laziness.

    All of the cities similar to Atlantis are actually starships--they have hyperdrives and other systems for interstellar and intergalactic travel--so maybe the "ZPM factory" left Pegasus to some other galaxy which will be brought in on another plot arc? Maybe communications were cut off between Atlantis and the factory and its departure was not recorded in the ancient database? Maybe the factory was obliterated during the many centuries of war with the Wraith, but that section of the ancient database hasn't yet been decoded? Or, maybe you'll just have to keep watching to find out, lazy viewer!

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  40. American movies by rs79 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, other countries make movies too... having just finished watching _The Longest Engagement_ I can't say I really care that hollywood makes shite these days.

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  41. New TV format: 45-min. drama serial? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Frankly, I'm tired of the form that is a feature movie. Maybe it's me getting old or whatever, but I'm unable to build any enthusiasm even for movies I should really like. I think it started with Lord of The Rings, actually, which I saw and enjoyed - they're everything a movie should be for me - but to my own surprise I never felt I actually cared about it. I saw the first two, then really just forgot about seeing the third. I finally did see it on DVD, but out of a sense of duty, of finishing off something I started, more than anything else. It was great, it was absorbing, it was magnificient - and I would not have missed it at all had I simply skipped the whole thing.

    We've had the 2-hour feature for a century or so; perhaps it's time for the form to reinvent itself?
    This is one of the most interesting comments I've read in this discussion so far.

    I'd argue that the market is proving you right, as we speak. I think the new format of choice is not the two-hour movie, but the 45-minute serial. In the past few years we've seen the demise of the "story arc" sitcom (where each episode was basically self-contained and usually returned the situation to wherever it began, for the next episode), long a staple of American television, and replaced it with plot-driven series TV shows. I think the epitome of the genre is "24," just because it's really the antithesis of the sitcom format, but there are many other shows that have popped up that are basically the same thing.

    On one hand, people seem to like the shorter plotlines of series shows: you can get your 'dose' of entertainment in 45 minutes if you skip the commercials, rather than in two hours; but on the other hand the sales of DVD sets and my personal experience watching them indicates that people aren't adverse to watching two or three hours of serial episodes in a sitting.

    In some ways the whole thing reminds me of another change, which went in the opposite direction: the transition in the 19th century from serial fiction literature, to bound novels. It seems as though today we're going from movies, to series shows where each season has a basically 'cinematic' plot (pretty much any one season of most new dramas could have been a movie, although whether a good or bad one I won't say), and then where that one plot is broken into hourlong sub-plots that are delivered to the viewer in chunks.

    If I was cynical I'd say that this is further evidence of the ADD-ization of this country and of our society in general, but I won't pass judgement. I think I'll go watch another episode of Nip/Tuck, instead.
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  42. There are excellent movies by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    I recently went to a film festival of young european directors, and what I saw there blew lots of professional stuff easily away. One of the movies which gave me one of the biggest impressions was Zamedi/13, one of the best movies I have seen in the recent past (partially thriller/horror themed), you really have to look outside of the box, there is lots of talent there probably never to be discovered blowing most of the plastic garbage from hollywood away easily.

  43. " Why Have Movies Been So Bad Lately" by Thatto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's the wide-releases that have sucked, not all movies. I am lucky to live in an area that has a couple of independent movie-houses-- (you know the ones where people turn their cell-phones off, and sit through the end-credits.) In that venue, I have seen some entertaining movies -- (The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, Capote, Shopgirl.)

    So why are the studios failing to produce good movies?

    1. Because the average consumer doesn't want a masterpiece. Joe Six-pack wants just enough plausibility in the story to allow him to escape his reality for a couple of hours. I think that the audience is savvy to the tricks of the movie makers. Fantastic visual effects are no longer a substitute for a good plot (War of the Worlds comes to mind. Isn't the whole movie just one long chase?). Cool wardrobe and sharp language are no substitute for good acting.

    2. Names sell tickets. Spielberg, Hanks, and Cruise all sell tickets. Some of thier work is fantastic and some of it sucks eggs. Either way, chances are that the film will make $20 million before the word gets out.

    3. Risk. The average movie costs four to six million. With that kind of money on the line the pressure is on to recoup your investment. A movie version of a semi-memorable TV show from your target audience's collective childhood will always sell. (Dukes of Hazzard, Miami Vice, Star Wars EP I, II, III)

    Television has largely ruined the audience. Eight to ten minutes of commercials for every half-hour of programming. Crawling text, channel promotions w/sound playing over the show are very distracting. I have personally forgotten what I was watching while channel surfing during commercials. My point is that there are good films available, you just have to sift though a lot of schlock to get to them.

  44. Re:Well, because you only watch Hollywood movies. by dom1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... I'd like to add :
    If you are the kind of man to think the Matrix is highly philosophical and is the best movie ever or so, it's not surprising at all to see you bored of movies.
    Another suggestion I have for you is to take the time to see old repertoire movies, there are plenty of jewels to discover, and cost much less than the new wiz-bang Hollywood movie playing on the wiz-bang screen in the wiz-bang theater.

  45. Where have you been? by Stumbles · · Score: 2, Funny

    Movies have been bad longer than "lately".

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  46. Re:Couldn't Agree More by syukton · · Score: 2, Informative

    It wasn't an insult, it was a commentary on your mental agility; a mere observation.

    And in The Siege (Part 3), they do say that the mostly-depleted ZPM which they received from earth would last for days, yes, but that was a depleted ZPM, not a fully charged one. Further, we don't know if ZPMs deplete linearly or not. A conventional chemical battery, for instance, will have a higher voltage when it is fresh than when it is at 10% capacity. It's possible that the first 20% of a ZPM's power would last for decades when powering the shields, and then it would deplete more rapidly over time. Sci-fi requires a little suspension of disbelief, that's what the "fi" part is all about.

    Perhaps the city was abandoned was because they were cut off from their ZPM supply lines. Also, perhaps the ZPM factory was destroyed to prevent it from falling into wraith hands. Use your imagination.

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  47. Re:Stolen jokes are much funnier by Badfysh · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think you'll find that she stole that idea from Ed Byrne:

    "Stuck in a traffic jam when you're already late? That's not ironic, that's just unfortunate. Stuck in a traffic jam when you're already late, and you're a town planner, and you're trying to get to a meeting about how to solve the congestion problem, that's ironic."

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  48. Stupid Executives by Badfysh · · Score: 2, Funny

    I always imagine a load of stupid fat old men smoking big cigars in a studio office, reading an interesting, intelligent and thought provoking script, shaking their heads and saying "I don't get it."

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    I was conned by an old man in a cloak. It turns out those *were* the droids I was looking for.

  49. No one plays their own ethnicity anymore by Skevin · · Score: 3, Funny

    To quote Howard Mann:
    (stolen from http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-t m-rules30jul23,1,3814092.story?coll=la-headlines-w est)

    Years ago, I had an actor friend, John, who happened to be a Native American. We were having lunch one day when he said: "Howie, things are OK with me now. But when I first came out here back in the '40s, I couldn't get a job. I went over to Republic studios. They were doing hundreds of westerns then. I figured I'm a cinch to get an Indian part.

    "Sorry," the casting director tells me. "You don't look Indian enough."

    "I don't look Indian enough? I happen to be a full-blooded Sioux!"

    "So what? You still don't look Indian enough."

    "So if I don't look Indian enough, who does?"

    "Italians."

    "What?"

    "You heard me. We only use Italians for Indian parts. They look more Indian than the Indians."

    "Well, if Italians are doing Indian parts, maybe I could play an Italian."

    "No, we use other people for the Italian parts."

    "Who?"

    "Jews. They play all Italian gangsters. Paul Muni, Edward G. Robinson, John Garfield. All Jewish."

    John told the guy he didn't understand.

    "Look," the Republic guy said, "Jews look more Italian than Italians. I was in Rome last summer. I didn't see one Italian who looked how an Italian is supposed to look. They had blond hair, fair skin, high cheekbones."

    John said, "Howie, I asked the guy, 'If Italians play Indians and Jews play Italians, then who plays Jews?' He said, 'WASPs. Who played David? Gregory Peck. Who played Charlton Heston's mother in "Ben-Hur"? Martha Scott.'"

    John pounded the guy's desk and told him: "OK, Italians play Indians, Jews play Italians, WASPs play Jews. Let me play an Oriental. After all, Indians came over from Asia."

    He said the guy apologized. "White guys play Orientals. Who played Charlie Chan? Warner Oland. Who played Mr. Moto? Peter Lorre. Who played Chinese dames for years? Myrna Loy."

    Johnny seemed exhausted. The waiter came with the check. I paid. It was the least I could do. I asked him how he managed to stay in the business.

    "I got the idea that if Italians are grabbing all the Indian parts, I would become Italian. I changed my name from John to Giovanni. I learned to think like them, dress like them, walk like them. I was ready. I went up for a part in the movie 'Little Big Man,' starring Dustin Hoffman.

    "The casting guy asked me my name. I told him I was Giovanni and could play any Indian part he had. The guy gets up from his chair. 'I'm sorry,' he says. 'Things have changed. We only use authentic Native Americans today . . . people like Iron Eyes Cody, Graham Greene, Chief Dan George. Now if you were a genuine Indian, I'd hire you on the spot.'"

    John said he couldn't take it. "I screamed at the guy, 'But I'm a full-blooded Sioux. I am an authentic Indian. I am the realest Indian you'll ever find.'"

    He said the casting guy laughed in his face. "You actors," he said. "You'll say anything to get a part."

    Solomon Chang

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  50. Re:Rain on your wedding day by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps a deeper look into irony than the dictionary can provide may explain some of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

    Anyway - most of the people who believe irony is being misused lately believe that true irony has to do with incongruity and double audience. So when you need a knife when you have a lot of spoons, that's not ironic, because you don't expect for there to be knives instead of spoons. Perhaps not finding a knife in a knife shop, having told your friends you were going to the knife shop, and having them know it's gone out of business would be ironic. Alanis just lists a lot sometimes unfortunate coincidences. An unfortunate coincidence is not ironic unless one expected a different outcome and someone was in on the joke.

    But, as with all language issues, the distinction is subtle, and word meaning changes to accomodate current usage.

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  51. Re:No no no. by dylan_- · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it's not.

    The example that Hyde noticed is ironic because we might reasonably expect Ireland to distance itself from the nation she most hated, whereas, instead, she did pretty much the opposite and emulated it.

    The example of 10,000 spoons is not ironic because there's no reason not to have the 10,000 spoons rather than a knife. Maybe she's in spoon factory! There's not enough there to make it ironic. It requires some reason for us to expect a knife rather than spoons (and possibly a reason to not expect the spoons at all). Neo, seeking a knife to cut himself loose from an agent trap and instead finding 10,000 spoons, would be irony... ;-)

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