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YouTube Used for Whistleblowing

fightmaster writes "A Lockheed Martin engineer with concerns about the safety and security flaws in a fleet of refurbished Coast Guard patrol boats turned to YouTube in order to publicize concerns he felt were being ignored by his employer and the government. From the article: 'The 41-year-old Lockheed Martin engineer had complained to his bosses. He had told his story to government investigators. He had called congressmen. But when no one seemed to be stepping up to correct what he saw as critical security flaws in a fleet of refurbished Coast Guard patrol boats, De Kort did just about the only thing left he could think of to get action: He made a video and posted it on YouTube.com.'"

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  1. This might be usefull: by linguizic · · Score: 5, Informative

    It took me long enough to find this but here's the actual youtube video.

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    1. Re:This might be usefull: by GoNINzo · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It might also be helpful to point out that the guy made a slashdot account and is actively responding to questions of his points on here.

      I personally think it is rather commendable, and while I think the short term will be rough for him, hopefully it can bring to light other issues that the coast guard has been glossing over. My dad was in the navy and road an icebreaker on a trip up near the North Pole. If equipment was not rated to survive in the cold weather, they were basically useless to the crew.

      Keep it up, you have media attention now, and thanks to midterm elections, something might actually be done about it.

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  2. YouTube Video Link by LogicX · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thank You slashdot editors for providing a link to the video in question.

    It actually took me three tries to find it, entitled: "Homeland Security - Coast Guard Issues"

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    1. Re:YouTube Video Link by smilindog2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Look, I've dealt with big stupid government contractors. This video sounds par for the course. Hopefully, this YouTube video will kick somebody into action.

      And the real problem... who will take action? It's not anybody's job to fix fvck-ups.

      There are tons of outstanding engineers and managers who really care at Lockheed and the other companies involved. This project probably didn't get many of them.

      Here's my own personal similar story. Remember the BFV (Bradley Fighting Vehicle... which eventually became a good unit, I think). One of my first jobs was building the analog circuit to integrate the signal from gas gyros in a 'pistol' control. The tank commander would in theory pull the pistol and shoot it at an enemy. The result would be the gun turning automatically and sighting in on the target. The probem was that the gas-gyros drifted... a LOT. By the time you made a system semi-useful, it was only good for a few seconds out of the 'holster' at a time. The electronics took up a cubic foot INSIDE the BFV, and generated a LOT of heat. There was no way that system was going to be reliable.

      I recommended that they give the tank commander a joy-stick instead (reliable, low heat, low volume, darned cheap). Guess how far that went :-)

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    2. Re:YouTube Video Link by psxman · · Score: 3, Funny

      You bastard!

    3. Re:YouTube Video Link by a_nonamiss · · Score: 4, Funny

      You clearly don't understand the complexities of the Internet.

      You see, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material. Ten movies streaming across that Internet and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got, an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday.

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    4. Re:YouTube Video Link by Vengeance · · Score: 3, Funny

      Honestly, I find mouse+keyboard to be the best controller combination.

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  3. Wow a TubeCast! by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's like so Web2.0! He can even toss together a mashup of the boats' locations and some Google maps and have active video links pop up when you hover your mouse over the tags.

    Or he could have just sent an anonymous tip to the press who would have loved to pick up on something like this...

    1. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      He could even setup a podcast of the commander in chief saying "You've sunk my battleship!"

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    2. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, maybe, instead of posting a video of him reading from a script, he could have just posted the script. Saves a lot of time and bandwidth for everyone involved.

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    3. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by sbrown123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or he could have just sent an anonymous tip to the press who would have loved to pick up on something like this...

      You think the media would have posted this? The media is more concerned with the (now cleared) Jon Bennett Ramsey suspect, a plane that crashed after flying off a short runway, and some polygamist that somehow ended up on the FBI most wanted list (I still wonder how that polygamist beat out all those serial child molesters, mass murderers, and terrorists).

      And despite this being out there now, expect no mention in the mass media.

    4. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by blake213 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think we all know that with the internet and all the videos available now, attention spans are getting far too short for most people on the net to be able to actually *read* something. Countless times I've seen posts (mostly on digg) that say something along the lines of: "TFA too long...anyone have a summary????". I can understand why he'd post a video, especially on the most popular video hosting site. People are just too lazy to read more than a paragraph. Or for that matter, write more than----

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    5. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by pluther · · Score: 2, Insightful
      (I still wonder how that polygamist beat out all those serial child molesters, mass murderers, and terrorists).

      He was a serial child molester. Many of his "wives" were underage, as were several of the girls involved in "marriages" that he arranged.

      And despite this being out there now, expect no mention in the mass media.

      It might get mentioned now. It's an almost familiar pattern now: issue ignored by mainstream press, picked up and talked about on the internet, queries made to the press, and the press reading various blogs and sites like this, they finally decide it's a worthy story and run it.

      I would certainly never expect to see anything on TV news first anymore.

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    6. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By posting a video he's putting a face to the issue -- he becomes an actual person rather than merely a collection of words. It's far more engaging, and it makes a much greater impression than a semi-anonymous essay posted somewhere. Additionally, he probably wouldn't have gotten the press coverage he's getting if he had done as you suggest.

    7. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by Pushnell · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree with both you and the parent, so here is a brief summary for Generation Net:

      1) Not enough security cameras
      2) Bad (unshielded) communications cables
      3) Equipment won't survive the extreme temperatures
      4) No one cares, billions of dollars and national security at risk.

      But, some of us really do prefer reading (and apparently, transcribing), and since google couldn't find me a transcript, here's one I made while waiting for my WoW trial to download, heh.

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      Before I begin, I want to tell you that making videos like this is not something I do as a profession, so please bear with the crudeness of the effort, and my reading from a prepared statement.

      What I'm going to tell you is going to seem preposterous and unbelievable, and may be very hard for you to believe that our government and the largest defense contract in the world is capable of such alarming incompetence, and can make ethical compromises as glaring as what I'm going to describe. Having said that, I assure you that everything I'm stating here is accurate. I have resorted to creating this video because I've exhausted every avenue I can think of, and in spite of the negative effects it has had or will have on me and my family, I feel very strongly that I need to take this step in order to resolve these issues.

      The purpose of this video is to ask for your assistance in helping me resolve several serious safety and security issues relating to homeland security. Specifically, the U.S. Coast Guard.

      Several years ago, I was Lockheed Martin's C4ISR system engineering lead for the 123 project on the Deepwater program. The purpose of this effort was to upgrade the Coast Guard's fleet of 110-foot patrol boats, to not only lengthen their servicable life, but to add space onto the rear of the boat to accomodate the Zodiac rescue boat, and to install modern command, control, communication, computer information, and surveillance systems on these boats to prepare them for a post-9/11 world.

      My responsibilities on this effort were to ensure the designs we created fulfilled requirements, and to complete the installation and delivery of the first boat. During my tenure on this project, several critical safety and security problems arose.

      These issues included:

      -The camera surveillance system.

      We had a requirement to provide a camera surveillance system for the boats. The purpose of the system was to permit the Coast Guard to monitor these boats while in a Coast Guard port, without having to have a watch-stander on board. The main purpose of the system is to ensure that no one can access or board the boats without being seen.

      The implementation that Lockheed Martin proposed, and that was finally accepted by the Coast Guard, left two extremely large blind spots leading directly to the pilot house, or the bridge, of the ship. These blind spots are over 10 feet wide on the deck, and extend to hundreds of feet wide at the horizon. I have an engineering rendering of the blind spots. [holds up image depicting blind spots] Here is the forward part of the boat, and the covered zones are here in the lighter color. As you can see here, and here, there are two very large blind spots leading all the way to the horizon that the crew cannot see, and they lead right up and into the bridge.

      While this problem could have been easily remedied by simply providing another camera to fill the blind spots, Lockheed Martin and the U.S. Coast Guard decided to deliver these boats without the extra camera. This situation leaves the boats and the crew in a position where someone could access the boat without beeing seen. While it is possible to augment the cameras with a watch stander, that situation puts the Coast Guard in the exact position they originally tried to avoid, with the additional expense of a system that does not meet their needs.

      The next issue:
      -Environmental survivability of the equipment.

      Just prior to the installation of the systems on the ship, we were fina

    8. Re:Wow a TubeCast! by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think we all know that with the internet and all the videos available now, attention spans are getting far too short ...

      Way too long. Anyone have a summary?

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  4. I saw this a little while ago.. by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Very interesting. While I don't think all the equipment should be replaced to meet the artic temperature thing, I think that the problem should be noted, and the contractor should have to pay some reimbursement for not meeting all the terms of the contract. Some number of ships should be retrofitted, but it may be a big waste to do it with all of them

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    1. Re:I saw this a little while ago.. by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      contractor should have to pay some reimbursement for not meeting all the terms of the contract

      Why should LM shoulder all the blame and punishment? The Coast Guard was made well aware of the issues, but chose to push the project through anyways and quietly-but-knowingly accepted the faulty products.

      Say a car salesman offers you $10k for your car. On the way there, you realize that you're leaking brake fluid, slowly but surely. So you're upfront about it when you finally get the car to the lot...and the salesman just shrugs his shoulders, gives you the $10k anyways, and says, "Let's just keep this between you and me, eh? I'll just drop the car on the next sucker to come through the door, and nobody'll ever know." So you cash the check, and he turns around and sells it to the sucker. One of the junior salesmen gets all ethical and blows the whistle, saying that this could result in somebody's death, etc. Ok, maybe you didn't do the most ethical thing, but then again, why should you be any more responsible for paying to fix the leak than the salesman? You're not the one who shelled out big bucks for a piece of shit. You were up front about it, they accepted the deal anyways.
      This needs to come back on the Coast Guard and every other agency the guy tried to take this to far more badly than it needs to come back on LM. If the government starts to get punished for paying more and accepting less, they'll stop doing it, and private business will take care of itself (or go broke and be replaced by someone who will...either way is fine.)

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  5. A Fine Example... by MBC1977 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While his employers probably will administratively punish and / or fire him, because his actions may save my coastie brothers and sisters
    in the long run,I tip my hat off to you. Sometimes you gotta grab life by the horns, to do the right thing.

    Regards,

    MBC1977,
    (US Marine, College Student, and Good Guy!)

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    1. Re:A Fine Example... by deafpluckin · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you RFTA you'll find that he was fired a few days after the video appeared on YouTube and that Lockheed Martin claims that he was fired for financial reasons (he was transfered off the project on the ship even earlier when his complaints were first voiced). His claims have subjective merit but the politics dealing with him seem a little too convenient.

    2. Re:A Fine Example... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      While his employers probably will administratively punish and / or fire him

      Yeah, interesting thing about the Federal Whistleblower Act is that it only protects Federal employees.
      Contractors to the Federal Government are NOT protected.

    3. Re:A Fine Example... by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you are correct.

      People with real strength of character that do the right thing despite all the peer pressure in the world are often punished by our system and the cowards within it. It took 30 years for the military to recognize Hugh Thompson.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson,_Jr.

      Or Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator, is another good example:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

      In both cases, they are/were both punished for their roles by the very people they called out. This engineer will face a similiar time, I imagine. If not openly, they will find a unrelated reason to fire him within 6 months if not immediately. Or put him in a crappy closet as an office (same thing happened to my principle whose contract guaranteed they couldn't fire him for anything short of being a murderer. My school district once was paying 14 principles at the same time because of crap like this, but alas that's a different story...)

    4. Re:A Fine Example... by hcob$ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While his employers probably will administratively punish and / or fire him, because his actions may save my coastie brothers and sisters in the long run,I tip my hat off to you. Sometimes you gotta grab life by the horns, to do the right thing.
      Also, to add to this from an Engineer standpoint. If you are an Engineer in Training(EiT) or Professional Engineer(PE) and you are serious about your job and your career, you are aware that there is a code of ethics for any Engineer; therefore, this IS the ONLY OPTION left. If this guy (as a PE I would assume) has gone through his management and Congress the only option is then to alert the the general public as a matter of ethics, espescially if he believe tests were altered/forged.

      In the end this must be said. This man is upholding the highest standards of what an "Engineer" is. If he ever faces legal action, I will gladly donate to his cause. Also, I would hope that the National Society of Professional Engineers (NSPE) should not only suggest many good lawyers, but they should offer much assistance to this man as possible.

      He is in the most difficult place an Engineer could be. Chose between your family(supporting them with a career) or his duty as an Engineer.
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    5. Re:A Fine Example... by imispgh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am already unemployed

    6. Re:A Fine Example... by imispgh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Thank you. The video was the last thing I wanted to do. Didn't want to live with these things eating away at me. Background 6 years Navy Comm Tech 1.5 years US State Dept Comm Eng - 8 months Comm Eng for Counter Terrorism group 12 yeas LM - Syst Eng, PM amd Eng Manager. Including SW PM for an Aegis BAseline and SW Eng Manager for LM NORAD projects

    7. Re:A Fine Example... by jafac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From what he said, it sounds like his management told him to stop investigating where they were possibly not meeting up to contractual obligations. In this case, US sailors lives could be at risk. This also goes against established DoD contracting procedures, and the corporate policies of this guy's employer.

      If what this guy is saying in his video is true, Lucy's got some 'splainin' to do.

      On the other hand, this guy could be a flake or he could be lying.

      Very often, on these kinds of contracts, it turns out that the requirements just can't be met. It's an impossibility, or there isn't enough money left, whoever did the proposal may have done his or her due-diligence, but upon undertaking the actual engineering task, it turns out not to be feasible - for whatever reason. In these cases, the contractor goes back to the negotiating table and gets a waiver or exemption, etc. and they move on - often at a penalty. It's possible that LockMart did this, and this guy was not told about it, and instead was just told to chill. Maybe he assumed that there was wrongdoing going on when he was just not informed.

      The kinds of programs I've worked, and the people I've worked with, I find it very difficult to believe it has happened exactly the way he said - there are two sides to every story. Then again, I've heard some pretty detailed stories about some of the contractor fraud that's been going on among playas like Titan, MZM, etc. They must have a different set of rules than what I've ever seen. I can't understand how any of these yo yo's get into the front door at the Pentagon. And then there's Boeing's recent issues (Tanker-lease program, United Launch Alliance, etc.). Just don't know what to think sometimes.

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    8. Re:A Fine Example... by imispgh · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked directly for LM for over 12 years. This was only one of 3 ethical issues I ran in to during that time. All of which lead to my termination. While that may seem high - it's not. In surveys 1/3 of LM employees (over 30K of them) say they have seen something unethical during their career. Let's say only half are right - that's 15k people who saw something. That's to high. (I am involved in 3 episodes because I make different choices than most - or the average person. it's not because I see more) Having said that let me say 2 things. During the 2 years I spent on Aegis I saw nothing but professionalism. Thousands of people worked that job. (Why was it that way. Leadership - not process - not anything else) I was proud to work that effort. Also - Lockheed isn't the odd man out here. +/- an inch all defense contractors are like this. if you don't wnat to be exposed stay out of defense work

  6. Couple of old sayings come to mind by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you point the finger at someone else, there are three more pointing back at you.

    In other words, the standard pointing gesture highlights the intense scrutiny the whistleblower will face.

    Spend your silver bullet wisely.

    I sincerely hope that follow-on work isn't hard to come by.

    If YouTube had existed in time for some space-shuttle engineers, we might not have had two birds transferred to NADA.

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    1. Re:Couple of old sayings come to mind by antispam_ben · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If YouTube had existed in time for some space-shuttle engineers, we might not have had two birds transferred to NADA.

      You don't need Youtube to expose things. Free Geocities websites have been available for a decade or so. The popularity and exposure of the Internet perhaps came too late for Challenger, but as Columbia was orbiting there were emails going between engineers and management, saying the launch videos show something hitting the orbiter, let's have a big telescope look at it in orbit to see if it's okay. Management nixed the idea, though it had been done on early shuttle flights when tiles were a concern. If these concerns had been made public on a Geocities page, perhaps things would have been different.

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  7. Too you by dotslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess when your youboat is going to sink, you need a youtube to keep you afloat.

  8. How does he walk with balls that big? by Software · · Score: 4, Interesting
    He is unemployed after being laid off by Lockheed Martin days after he posted the video. Lockheed said that the video did not influence the decision to lay off De Kort and that he had had been notified earlier this year that he would be out of a job.
    Pull my other one, it makes a sound! Does Lockheed Martin really expect people to believe them?

    Seriously, this dude has some balls, if not much sense. Tip for all you would-be whistleblowers: make sure you have the facts, the media, and God (not necessarily) overwhelmingly on your side before you start. Otherwise, you're just screwed. I hope the guy can find another job, or get a book deal. De Kort, thanks for taking one for the team.

  9. Possible Retribution? by linguizic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the article it said that he was fired shortly after he posted the video, but he knew before hand that he was going to get canned. I wonder how much of his actions reflect wanting retribution or just having nothing to lose.

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    1. Re:Possible Retribution? by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the problem here is a belief that defense contractor work, and the suckage on the taxpayer teat has a direct relationship with the original requsted specification. Nothing could be further from the truth. This fellow honestly believes what he does what he builds or what he designs bears ANY resemblence to what some boots on the ground WANTED. Who was it who said: "Elephant: mouse designed by commitee to government specification" ?

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  10. Once Again, Internet Levels Playing Field by queenb**ch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once upon a time, corporate giants and goverment entities could ignore the little guys with impunity. Now, anyone with a sufficiently good story can post it and attract a large public audience.

    Power to the people!

    2 cents,

    QueenB

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    1. Re:Once Again, Internet Levels Playing Field by mordors9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It will attract a large public audience as long as it is a viewpoint that the mainstream media supports. Otherwise it will just be another video amongst thousands of others.

  11. And lo ! Its Lockheed Martin again by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The heritage of the SAME company that have bribed government heads, bureucrats in countries tenfold around the world, including germany, to oust their competitors and sell their f104s. Their FAULTY designs.

    The SAME company who caused around 150-200 air service pilots to lose their lives around the world flying their faulty f104s.

    The SAME company which recently admitted their wrong doing.

    The SAME company, which is at it AGAIN.

  12. His points... by BenJeremy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, let me summarize what he covers (I didn't finish the last bit of the video, though).

    1. Blind spot in watch cameras.
          OK, thanks for pointing those out. Now we can board the boats and steal them. Yes, this is an issue, and one that should be fixable, but extra cameras will also affect the systems that digitize and monitor them, as well. Still, this system should be fixed, but it's not a major thing, and now you've just told anybody who's interested (in a bad way) how to take advantage of the flaw. Thanks.

    2. FLIR Equipment not rated for -40 deg
          My problem with this is, working in automotive systems, we regularly see this requirement, and it's more of a "spec" thing. Most electronics are fine in cold weather... short of devices with moving parts (hard drive, for example). Just because the FLIR is not "rated" at -40 doesn't mean it can't handle such temperatures, only that one or more components (chips, capacitors, resistors, etc...) in the system are not CERTIFIED to operate at the wide range of temperatures. Certification for this requirement is often an expensive process and often, certified and uncertified parts are identical in everything but price (or availability, more often). I think he's a little bit out there on this one.

    3. Use of non-shielded cable in "secure" communications systems.
          This one is a bit ridiculous, and shows his paranoia. The cables failed "visual" - of course, because they are not shielded. He concludes that because they are not shielded, they MUST have failed the electronic test, and because they officially passed, somebody must have cheated. While Tempest-class (back in my days as a Marine) cables were shielded out the ying-yang, and there was, even back in the 80's some amazing intel gathering stuff out there (pull phone conversations from a telephone wire, 30 feet from the pole, wirelessly, for example)... we are talking about CUTTERS. ON THE SEA. Effectiveness of devices that can isolate and monitor any given cable line over more than 100 feet falls off dramatically, particularly in a signal-rich (i.e. "noisy") environment. I'm guessing the electronic test DID pass, which is why it was allowed to be built with the unshielded cable. Still, why couldn't they have provided proper shielded cable? It's not like a huge price difference, and if availability was an issue here, what about simple external mesh around the cable runs?

          Like I said, I see he has concerns, but this is really the wrong way to deal with it, and puts our Coast Guards at much greater jeopardy than the things he's addressing!

    1. Re:His points... by linguizic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      now you've just told anybody who's interested (in a bad way) how to take advantage of the flaw. Thanks.

      This might be enlightening for you:

      Security through obscurity

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    2. Re:His points... by Jartan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People missed one important point. They tested -one- piece of equipment to see if it was rated for the temperatures the ship might go into and they were told to stop testing for such a thing.

      That means they added several things all of which could fail in intended temperatures. It could be stuff that fails in extreme heat or humidity too.

      All in all though I found it kind of amusing that the guy making the video thinks people will find it shocking. Personally I expect govt contractors do this kind of stuff five times before they even get to breakfast every day.

    3. Re:His points... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      doesn't mean it can't handle such temperatures, only that one or more components (chips, capacitors, resistors, etc...) in the system are not CERTIFIED to operate at the wide range of temperatures

      As someone who DESIGNS things that ACTUALLY ARE required to work at -40 deg C, I can say that it is MORE than a specsmanship thing.
      To put it simply, a system is more than the sum of its components. Every part in your system could even be certified to operate at -40 C, but unless the whole system is designed that way, there's still a good chance that it won't work right.

      A simple example here would be electrolytic capacitors. Sure they're almost all "rated" for low temperature operation but they also loose a sizeable percentage of their capacitance at low temperatures. This means that the system must be intentionally designed to account for this.

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    4. Re:His points... by linguizic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Point well taken. He could have made the video without exposing the flaw. Though I wonder how seriously people might take him if he hadn't. Anyway, the coast gaurd is going to have to fix the problem now that he has outed it. This might have been his intention (notice I wrote might).

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    5. Re:His points... by BenJeremy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Like I said, I've worked in the automotive industry, and from the engineering side, we often don't see all the testing. I might have missed his role, but my impression was he was one engineer on a big team. If he was the system engineer, none of these compromises would have happened, right?

      As one guy on a big team, he's not going to see a lot of testing.... but my main point was that temperature ranges for "Automotive spec" cover down to -40, and often, we are faced with being unable to get the part rated at the spec; this isn't because the part not rated for the spec won't work, and work reliably, it's because automotive temp ratings require a LOT of certification, and costs a LOT of money. You can build a motherboard with every chip and part, except ONE CAPACITOR, rated for automotive temp, and the motherboard technically FAILS the rating, even if it can pass the temperature extremes in an environmental testing box and under duration. So here, I sympathize with Lockheed Martin's team based on my own experience, and also know that none of the systems I've been a part of for automotive (same temperature extremes he quotes) have EVER failed because of temperature extremes - and that's hundreds of thousands in vehicles world wide (Canada to Saudi Arabia).

      Humidity is another problem, and again, certification is very long, expensive, and many suppliers forego this. Sometimes, it's impossible to build a system with rated components simply because of avialability - the parts you need just have never been certified. That is a big difference from components that CANNOT operate at those ranges.

    6. Re:His points... by Flavio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We have different takes on this. You're using a lot of assumptions regarding favorable operating conditions to justify these as forgivable design problems. With military grade equipment you can make no such assumptions. I see all these issues as negligent corner cutting.

      Problem (1) indicates that the system has a critical design flaw -- one that defeats its sole purpose.

      Problem (2) shows that Lockheed Martin didn't follow the specs and actually refused to test some subsystems for compliance. If the engineer displays good judgement, he can incorporate parts that operate out of spec and only slightly increase the failure rate (and decrease the MTBF). But these are military systems, you want them to have very, very small failure rates, and you want to guarantee this. This can be brutally expensive, but that's one of the reasons why military contractors charge an order of magnitude more than civilian contractors.

      Problem (3) is just lousy design on a system designed to be secure. It doesn't matter if the boat is meant to be at sea most of the time. You want secure communications in all possible scenarios, including the very unlikely ones. Even if someone planted a radio receiver in the bridge. Somehow you assume that these subsystems passed their tests. I for one am not giving Lockheed-Martin the benefit of the doubt, specially considering how much RF tends to leak and how strict secure communication standards are.

    7. Re:His points... by imispgh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Cameras - this doesn't affect any system that digitizes or montors them . All we need was one more camera. As for the security aspect - the CG and LM maintain there is no issue. As such I cannot compromise a non-problem. The boast have been this way for almost a year. if there were issues the CG had plenty of time to correct them. Which is better not fixing this and having that secusrity isue or fixing this with the video (the video was alast resort after 3 years - see below)? (Now the CG has to use a watch stander - they are more secure) FLIR was an example - it might also have been fixed by adding a heater. See we didn't get the environmental requirements until after design review and most of the equip was bought (which is nuts - this is also the time I came on the program ) The FLIR was the first system we looked at. When I told management there was an issue with the FLIR they directed us to stop looking in to the rest. So. . .my worry is that there are more issues (and not just temp) Cables - EVERY SINGLE cable on each boat that was supposed to be shielded is not. Almost 100 cables on each boat. We actually removed the shielded cable for the old systems we were putting back in. I have a TEMPEST background. I also talked to experts in Lockheed as well as the company that certs Air Force One. All agree that under these conditions it is very improbable that the instrumented test would pass. Also - the IG asked for test data months ago - and hasn't gotten it. They also asked to independently check the boats. The CG won't comply. Don't you think they would if the test actually passed? As for the way I did this. I spent 3 years - went through 3 LM ethics investigations, coporate legal, the CEO and Board of Directors. I went to the Commandant of the CG, the CO of the boats, the Navy, GAO, NSA etc. Finally the DHS IG agreed to investigate. They have told me all of my claims look to be legitimate. However they can't continue because the CG isn't cooperating. I then went to the Homeland Security Committee and asked them to push the CG - they refused. Meanwhile these boats are operating. Also - all the other gov't orgs who use those classified circuits are at risk. My advice to some of you - since you are engineers. Don't assume or make judgements until you know what you are talking about. Feel free to email me - imispgh@yahoo.com

    8. Re:His points... by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah, another new poster discovers that Slashdot's "HTML formatted" doesn't add <br>s. You want "Plain Old Text" which, strangely enough, allows normal HTML formatting but keeps your paragraphs.:)

      You also might want to mention that you're the person who posted the video as well, for those who don't bother comparing your username to the video poster's user name.

      But anyway, with the paragraphs readded:

      Cameras - this doesn't affect any system that digitizes or montors them . All we need was one more camera. As for the security aspect - the CG and LM maintain there is no issue. As such I cannot compromise a non-problem. The boast have been this way for almost a year. if there were issues the CG had plenty of time to correct them. Which is better not fixing this and having that secusrity isue or fixing this with the video (the video was alast resort after 3 years - see below)? (Now the CG has to use a watch stander - they are more secure)

      FLIR was an example - it might also have been fixed by adding a heater. See we didn't get the environmental requirements until after design review and most of the equip was bought (which is nuts - this is also the time I came on the program ) The FLIR was the first system we looked at. When I told management there was an issue with the FLIR they directed us to stop looking in to the rest. So. . .my worry is that there are more issues (and not just temp)

      Cables - EVERY SINGLE cable on each boat that was supposed to be shielded is not. Almost 100 cables on each boat. We actually removed the shielded cable for the old systems we were putting back in. I have a TEMPEST background. I also talked to experts in Lockheed as well as the company that certs Air Force One. All agree that under these conditions it is very improbable that the instrumented test would pass. Also - the IG asked for test data months ago - and hasn't gotten it. They also asked to independently check the boats. The CG won't comply. Don't you think they would if the test actually passed?

      As for the way I did this. I spent 3 years - went through 3 LM ethics investigations, coporate legal, the CEO and Board of Directors. I went to the Commandant of the CG, the CO of the boats, the Navy, GAO, NSA etc. Finally the DHS IG agreed to investigate. They have told me all of my claims look to be legitimate. However they can't continue because the CG isn't cooperating. I then went to the Homeland Security Committee and asked them to push the CG - they refused. Meanwhile these boats are operating. Also - all the other gov't orgs who use those classified circuits are at risk.

      My advice to some of you - since you are engineers. Don't assume or make judgements until you know what you are talking about. Feel free to email me - imispgh@yahoo.com

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    9. Re:His points... by imispgh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am told LM informed the CG and they took the boats. i get your point. I belive LM had a responsibility to not provide such a poor solution and not put their customer in that psotion. Basically I belive LM said take them or we burn more schedule and money. And you can go tell your superiors you did not take the boats and are responsible for more delays and budget over runs. LM - if it followed it's ethical practices - should never have suggested any of that be accepted. Again - everything was EASILY avoidable. Additionally we would have used less $ and time because we wouldn't have churn over bad decisions.

    10. Re:His points... by imispgh · · Score: 2, Informative

      LM had an ethical obligation to tell them the problems and risks. I do not believe we did that completely. Also LM should not back a customer in to a corner like that. Look - I get that there are always issues people disagree over - requirements that have to be negotiated etc. Happens all the time. What we are talking about here is not like the example you gave but more like Morton-Thiokol saying - we gave you bad O-rings the shuttle will blow up - if you want it fixed you are going to have to give us more money and time - when we are already over budget and schedule - and you will be responsible for that. Gov't contractor's own ethical standards should prevent them for making that an option. Now having said that - the CG should absolutely not have accepted this. However - I hold the contractor more responsible

  13. Surprise? by symbolic · · Score: 3, Informative

    "It may be very hard for you to believe that our government and the largest defense contractor in the world [are] capable of such alarming incompetence and can make ethical compromises as glaring as what I am going to describe."

    No. Not even close. I think it's quite obvious that they're capable of such alarming incompetence. Consider: Katrina. WMD/Iraq. 9/11. Diebold. No-bid contracts. Overbilling.

    There's really not much more that needs to be said.

  14. Re:Or... QWZX by PhysicsPhil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the employer AND the government AND the congressman AND apparently no one else will listen to this boob, maybe, just maybe, his issue ain't that important and he should quit bellyaching.

    Does this also apply to engineers of electronic voting systems?

  15. Re:Or... QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When engineers warned that New Orleans levees could not withstand a moderate-strength hurricane and complained to their employees, AND to the state, AND to the federal government AND apparently no one else would listen to these boobs, maybe, just maybe the issue was important and someone should have listened to their bellyaching.

    You idiot.

  16. "United States" Congress is inferior by voice_of_fate · · Score: 4, Funny

    If this had occurred in Great Britain, De Kort would have been a loyal Myrmidon and refrained from causing such a scene. A British company would not have made such a mistake as Lockheed Martin's engineers. Also, the system used in the so-called "United States" is inferior. In Britain, such disloyalty would have caused De Kort's disappearance before he had a chance to release such material.

    Britain will use this knowledge when it moves to take back its colonies.

    De Kort is correct: his government is incompetent. The solution is obvious: Americans, subject yourselves to superior British rule.

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    1. Re:"United States" Congress is inferior by lelitsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, in Britain, he would have been hit with the Official Secrets Act, prosecuted, driven out of the country and maybe put in prison for a few weeks until the government realized that they mede complete asses of themselves. ;)

  17. And guess what by johansalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This video was posted 3 weeks ago and only had a 100 odd ratings, even after appearing on slashdot. Meanwhile a regular skanky youtube teen could get thousands within a hours. Even you guys will probably move on to the next story in a few minutes. I think the government is safe.

    1. Re:And guess what by palutke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, he'd have better ratings if he'd flash his tits at the camera while describing the fraud.

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  18. Re:Or... QWZX by Grym · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the employer AND the government AND the congressman AND apparently no one else will listen to this boob, maybe, just maybe, his issue ain't that important and he should quit bellyaching.

    Did you even watch the video?

    Basically the entire project he was working on was a sham. Not only were the systems not designed to specifications but were flawed in such a way as that if they did fail they would do so catastrophically.

    Do you even know what FLIR is? It's how they know navigate and identify targets in low-level light conditions or fog (which, I hope I don't have to tell you is very common on coastlines). It's very simple, if the FLIR system fails (and according to him it will at low temperatures), people can die--either from collisions or friendly fire. If what he's saying is true, he should be making a stink.

    Furthermore, the security camera issue is huge too. It's one thing to have blind spots. It's quite another to have two symmetrical approach angles that lead right ONTO the ship which can't be seen. Again, a failure due to this design flaw could lead to either the capture or deaths of American servicemen. And it could've been fixed by only adding one more camera.

    As far as the non-TEMPEST compliance goes--I don't know. As I understand it, TEMPEST is literally tin-foil hat paranoid, but honestly there's no reason not to use something as simple as shielded cables is that's all that's preventing compliance.

    Regardless, this is just another example of how government incompetence combined with corporate greed serves to hurt the American taxpayer and unnecessarily puts the lives of our service-men and women at risk. If you don't think there's a connection between this very believable story and deadly screw-ups like the lack of armored vehicles in Iraq or the Ospreys crashes, you're the boob--not the whistleblower.

    -Grym

  19. As an engineer... by hcob$ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His DUTY was to INFORM his management, government, congressman, intelligence services, etc. that he had SERIOUS concerns relative to the project he was leading. Anything less is unworthy of the status of Lead Engineer

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    1. Re:As an engineer... by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Exactly! Right from the Code of Ethics of a Professional Engineer? Here's a link.

      Notice, the first fundamental canon is: Hold paramount the safety, health, and welfare of the public.

      The third is: Issue public statements only in an objective and truthful manner.

      If we go down to the specific Rules of Practice:

      If engineers' judgment is overruled under circumstances that endanger life or property, they shall notify their employer or client and such other authority as may be appropriate. This is what he was worried about. However, the "normal" people to inform were ignoring him and he didn't know any other way to get this information to the people who would be affected - not only the Coast Guard personnel, but the public that will be sharing the waters with them, and the People of the United States who are the ultimate client.

      Engineers shall not reveal facts, data, or information without the prior consent of the client or employer except as authorized or required by law or this Code. As a Person of the United States, he has my consent. As do all other Engineers who have concerns. Also, the previous rule requires him to do this.

      Engineers shall not aid or abet the unlawful practice of engineering by a person or firm. Which he did not. Sorry he lost his position. Hopefully something good will come around for him.

      Now, I hope he gets a lot of money for speaking engagements at different Engineering conferences. He chose the difficult road, but proved he is an Engineer. If Ethics were easy, we wouldn't need to write them all down in Codes of Ethics.

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  20. America's Independence was Fitting Punishment by voice_of_fate · · Score: 5, Funny

    In spite of modern attempt at historical revision, it is clear to honest historians that Britain won all the battles of 1776 and then left a humbled America to govern itself as punishment for disloyalty. Shortly thereafter, the country spiralled into civil war and went further downhill from there: freedom of its slaves, freedom of speech, and that snake in the grass: "democracy".

    So far from England, the Green and Pleasant land, America struggles under inferior governance.

    Because of their inferior education, Americans have inferior intellects. This corruption began before the country broke away from British governance. The colonists believed their British brothers had added more tax to their their tea when in fact the wise governors in England had enabled the colonists to purchase tea at a lower price than even smugglers could offer. This allowed the colonists, whose economy had suffered due to their grumblings against Britain, to purchase superior British tea without breaking superior British law.

    Our superior tools, dentistry, and teas have made Britain the proud ruler of the world it is today. Our enemies crumble at our feet, as emphasized in the way we single-handedly defeated Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti and hanged, drew, and quartered him at Tyburn.

    I have heard CNN and Fox News have been lapse in reporting this to Americans. No surprise, they are inferior news corporations. If you had been watching BBC News, you would know this already.

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  21. Re:Lockheed Martin is an inferior company by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Compaired to who? Last I checked Lockheed makes the best radar systems in the world. Last I checked Lockheed makes the ONLY anti-ballistic missle defense systems in the world, not just land based by sea based.

    It was also the company that is bailing out Raytheon on the Zumwalt class destroyers ( DD(X) / DD-21 ). Politics screwed that decision, almost forcing the contract to Raytheon who didn't have the capability to really design the ship. Realizing this Raytheon subcontracted Lockheed to do a lot of the work...

    Again, inferior compaired to who? Now I do think that this might have some merit, but if no one cared at the Coast Guard, the people who are ordering the ships, I don't think there is anything more to say. In the end, they are the ones who need to say that it is unacceptible. They are the ones who need to say that we want X% of money back due to not meeting X requirement(s). Once they had been notified by this engineer of the concerns, I don't know what more you can say. Do we know if Lockheed themselves brought this up to the Coast Guard? As the engineer states, he no longer works on the program, and wouldn't be privy to that knowledge. If Lockheed brought the matter up to the Coast Guard and the Coast Guard didn't care, this is all a big nothing in my opinion. Yes, improvements could be made, but we can say that about everything out there. It all comes down to costs to make the improvements. If the Coast Guard would rather have the ships as is now instead of waiting x months for redesign, re-fit, then so be it.

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  22. Watch the show again dimwit by brennz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He said "We found out the FLIR system would not survive temperatures below -5". There is a vast chasm between saying "this FLIR is not rated for -5" and saying "the FLIR would not survive temperatures below -5". I'm not sure on FLIR sensitivity to cold weather, but he is implying it would then break.

    Oh another point, all tactical systems that handle classified material and are not in special facilities, e.g. a SCIF, need to be protected against TEMPEST / COMSEC & all that jazz. This is common knowledge for anyone with a SIGINT background in the mil/intel arena.

    Obviously a cutter is built for shallow water work. That means near to shores not way out in the Atlantic Ocean. Big Antenna on the shore, camo'd in the trees, picks up classified comms - not unrealistic.

    There is no such thing as paranoia when it comes to protecting classified material.

    Initially, I was considered as written by an amateur, but then I noticed that part about you being a Marine. Figures!

    1. Re:Watch the show again dimwit by Zixia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He said "We found out the FLIR system would not survive temperatures below -5". There is a vast chasm between saying "this FLIR is not rated for -5" and saying "the FLIR would not survive temperatures below -5". I'm not sure on FLIR sensitivity to cold weather, but he is implying it would then break.

      I'm an environmental engineer working in a company that designs defence electronics. The FLIR system would have gone through environmental testing across the whole temperature range, including power-on at the extremes. I got the same understanding from the video as you, and he is stating that the equipment failed to work at temperatures below -5C.

      It's unlikely that the equipment would break, as it is likely its components are rated to -55C unpowered, but more that some part of the electronics would simply fail to work as intended because of the effects of the temperature. Once warmed above -5C the system would start operating as normal again. Nevertheless, this would be considered as quite a serious failure in my field. It's not even a borderline failure, but a great deal outside of the specification.

  23. Re:rebuttal by coolgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you might want to do a little research into the NSA's TEMPEST security standard. This evolved primarily out of the revelation of Wim van Eck who in 1985 demonstrated that it was possible to duplicate the display of a monitor at a range of several hundred meters, using $15 worth of electronics and a TV set. Unless they've been training people to decrypt (with their eyes and brains) information they read off a monitor, I think it's safe to assume that data displayed on a monitor aboard one of these ships is unencrypted, and potentially containing text messages about current intelligence, commands to the ship, etc. It's not that big of a reach to think with the advancements in DSPs since 1985, that $1500 worth of sniffing equipment could easily extend that several hundred metre range to 5 or 10 miles.

    You might also do well to actually watch the video. Only the first batch of retrofitted ships are on regular patrol in the Gulf of Mexico. Eventually all the 123-foot Cutters, including those used in the Arctic and The Persian Gulf will receive the same retrofits.

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  24. Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense is Inferior by voice_of_fate · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just as Zulus' pointy sticks were inferior to British muskets, anti-ballistic missle defense systems are inferior to Britain's defenses. The British, who invented RADAR, have since moved on to using superior detection systems.

    Raytheon is another inferior company. It is no surprise such poor engineers needed bailing out of their ship. Lockheed Martin is an inferior company, but does have the capacity to design a fine bucket fitted for such a purpose. It would, however, be inferior to buckets of British manufacture.

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  25. Screw media by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the video:

    "I will not share my name on this video to avoid harassment to my family".

    From the article:

    "Michael De Kort was frustrated."

  26. For all you tinfoil-hat people by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a direct link to the .flv file, if you want to archive it in case it mysteriously disappears from YouTube.

  27. Re:rebuttal by imispgh · · Score: 5, Informative

    There were going to be 49 of these at the time. Going all over the world. They stopped at 8 because the hulls were so badly rusted that they decided not to continue. Plus boats like this get deployed all of the world when needed. Additionally this is a System of Systems effort. Since this was the first platform it means these designs will be pushed to other assets to keep implementations similiar. They did 8 boats like this on purpose - planning on 49. My guess is they intend to continue to do this for commonality reasons as well as to not get caught (change would draw attention.

  28. Anonymous cowardice is inferior by voice_of_fate · · Score: 2, Funny

    You say that out of jealousy and spite because you recognize Britain's superior nationalism. It is America's nationalism that is liken unto claptrap. British nationalism is a pure, noble thing refined by our centuries of experience. You could crush together the nationalism of 50 Americans and still fail to muster the superior nationalism that marches through my veins.

    No, my poor, delusional, inferior friend. It is not my nationalism that is at fault, it is your failure to recognize and reward a country for its superiority.

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  29. Re:Or... QWZX by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow - the most important criminals, Lockheed Martin (arms dealer to the world), the present fascist government, ready to attack Iran as soon as the oil prices start to slide down, and a member of the largest whore house in the Western Hemisphere, your friendly neighborhood congressperson....

    What does any of that have to do with any of the issues in question here? Interesting, Maybe. Relevent, no.

    The guy's employers disagree with him that there is a problem. Simply because he's a "little guy" doesn't make him right. Apperently, no one else on the project agrees with him. But just because he's going up against the "big bad Lockheed Martin" doesn't make him right. We have no proof at all that anything he says is anything more than opinion.

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  30. Re:Or... QWZX by imispgh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or maybe. . .just maybe. LM and the CG realize comming clean would be extremely damaging. the DHS IG has already told me there preliminary look has validated my concerns. $24 billion is at stake - do you think they will come clean after doing this on 8 or more boats without be forced? By the way - I am the one who did the video

  31. Re:Or... QWZX by russ1337 · · Score: 5, Informative
    As far as the non-TEMPEST compliance goes--I don't know. As I understand it, TEMPEST is literally tin-foil hat paranoid, but honestly there's no reason not to use something as simple as shielded cables is that's all that's preventing compliance.
    TEMPEST is quite a serious issue. Without going beyond unclass/public domain - It is basically the separation of RED (unencrypted) and Black (encrypted) information - electrically, to ensure no Red information 'leaks out'. (more here)

    If you dont meet TEMPEST standards, there is a high chance someone can intercept 'unencrypted' information either within the 'encrypted' information or on its own, or simply 'sense' it on a power line to the building. (also look up Van Eck phreaking)
    There are a few considerations to help ensure the system will pass a TEMPEST test:
    - Proper physical separation of Red and Black.
    - Suitable filtering of power supplies.
    - Propper shielding (parent got that one)
    - Propper termination of shielding into correct EMI Backshells
    - Correct assembly and termination of backshells
    - More about what I've said Here [PDF]

    Basically if you skimp on any of these to save a few dollars (and it aint cheap), the bad guys can intercept your communications (COMINT), which means your likely to get your ass handed to you on a plate...

    PS: All of what Ii've said above is unclass and is in the public domain....
  32. Re:Or... QWZX by SageMusings · · Score: 3, Informative

    BTW,

    Tempest was not only a secret Government study, it is also an acronym: Telecommunications Electronics Material Protected from Emanating Spurious Transmissions.

    Cheers...

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  33. Re:Or... QWZX by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Certainly we have no proof, but having worked several years for a prime defense contractor, I'm inclined to believe him just because this sounds exactly like the kind of shenanigans I saw firsthand in that environment. It's all about CYA, and whether a deliverable actually meets the requirements spelled out in the Statement of Work is often secondary to how much shit the CO or COTR will have to endure if it doesn't. Raising a red flag indicating that sub-standard deliverables had been accepted by the contracting agency was generally frowned upon quite intensely, as no one in the front offices of our organization wanted to bite the hand that fed them. I can't imagine that Lockheed would be much different.

    The guy has basically destroyed his career and probably ruined himself financially to present this information, so I would think it's something he feels pretty strongly about.

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  34. ignorance is abundant by richwalkup · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As prior military who worked on UHF SATCOM (satellite communications systems) for a period of nearly four years as a lead programmer in the Air Force, I would tend to believe rather than disregard these statements. I have worked with forces from US Coast Guard, Navy, Army, Air Force, NATO forces, etc and in real-world scenarios, operational security is often overlooked or even covered up in order for projects to not lose funding or lose face in the eyes of upper management and project supporters high up in the government. It is also overlooked sometimes because of the BS red tape involved to implement the simplest security protocols. I pray that some of these issues have been resolved or that the shortcomings described have been negated by other means, however I doubt it. I wish you good luck in your fight and hope that in the end you are vindicated - if so, I hope you sue LM's ass off for the hell I'm sure you've been through. Thanks for standing up - let us know how we can help.

  35. How About Some Respect? by SmellMyTeenSpirit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a "navy brat". If you don't know what that means, look it up. I also attend UCSC. If you think you know what that means, I bet you're either a graduate or using some stupid list.

    I have a dream in which the military and the hippies in America come together to fight those who are interested ONLY in their own power and money.

    I too feel that such speech is dangerous. But I Respect this man more than I repsect my fear.

    I believe his story. It sounds very, very true to me. I am not willing to say that it "is" true. But it fits perfectly with my perception of Lockheed Martin and "the military industrial complex". If you think you know what "the military industrial complex" is, please: don't. Listen to Eisenhower's words and then think about what they mean.

    Please don't kill me.

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  36. I am a DoD Contract Program Manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a Program Manager for a large defense contractor. I have no first hand knowledge about the specific program and concerns described in the video. However, I can provide some insight into how and why the Coast Guard and a contractor might ethically and responsibly act in the ways described in the video.

    First, most defense contracts of the type described are so called "Cost Plus" contracts. That means that the Government and the contractor share the financial risk of executing the program. The government agrees to reimburse the contractor for whatever the actuals costs of executing the program are plus a pre-negotiated profit. The government retains complete control over the contract, regularly audits the contractor's financial data to establish the actual costs, and reserves the right to modify or cancel the contract at any time.

    The DoD also has standard military specifications (mil-specs), and the -40 to +140 deg. temperature range cited in the video sound like a standard mil-spec to me. Now, if you are the government and I tell you the cost of refitting ships with FLIR that operates at -40, you might decide you don't really want that feature and grant a waver on the mil-spec. Why would you do that ? Well, you might know that the ship's engines won't work at that temperature either because the fuel oil will be too viscus. Why go to added expense for one component if another critical component won't work anyway ?

    The government is in complete control. When the government insists on over-specifying systems, you get the notorious $1000 hammer. The classic example was a spec that required every component of an aircraft be able to survive 72 instantaneous Gs (a very hard landing). Do you have any idea how expensive coffee pots that can survive that many Gs are ? Guess what, you paid for them. The smarter decision would be to replace a $13 coffee pot after every such "crash". I assure you that the coffee pot is a lot cheaper than the pilot's back surgery.

    Similarly, blind spots in camera coverage can be inexpensively corrected, and the Coast Guard may have elected to pay a low cost small business supplier to correct the problem instead of paying a large defense contractor's rates. Again, the government has control over all of these decisions.

    Finally, if the cabling passes the TEMPEST tests, then it passes. It is entirely possible that the hull of the ship makes a very effective Faraday cage, and additional shielding on the cables is a wasted expense. Again, the government may actually be saving you money.

    I don't know if the accusations have merit or not. I just wanted to point out that everything accused might be true and still be both ethical and down right sensible.

    1. Re:I am a DoD Contract Program Manager by azrider · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to be a System Administrator in classified labs for a large DOD contractor. During the time I was there, I not only saw DSS and NISPOM regulations being violated, but actively evaded. On one occaision, there were four attempts to install equipment which compromised separation of classification. This was because the equipment had already been purchased prior to DSS approval. It got to the point that three of us (the ones who actively enforced NISPOM) were actually told by management that we were not to report concerns to Information Security. At the same time, our team of three was able to obtain provisional authority from DSS for a prototype RED to BLACK automated interface by demonstrating that all concerns and NISPOM requirements were addressed. Management was amazed that we were able to do in 2 weeks (with This demonstrates the contractors view as to what is important.

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  37. Sad but true by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

    lose their lives around the world flying their faulty f104s.

    Here's a hint: If a company is in the business of making, marketing, and selling bombs, they have 0% respect for human life.

    Try and keep that in mind :(

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  38. Re:Or... QWZX by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 2, Informative

    See the comment from a DoD ProgramManager http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=195339&cid =16005044

  39. Re:Or... QWZX by grahammm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also with the challenger disaster, where the engineers' concerns were overruled by management.

  40. MOD PARENT UP by Big+Bob+the+Finder · · Score: 2
    ....and find this guy a JOB!

    (imispgh is apparently the guy in the video, judging by his other posts, FYI)

  41. Re:This guys is not a RF engineer. by Detritus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're assuming a perfect world. In the real world, balanced circuits are not perfectly balanced and components drift and fail. Part of real-world engineering is to think about the consequences of foreseeable events.

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  42. Re:rebuttal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What did the GAO do when you went to them? They are obligated to open an investigation, and when they do, the CG must comply because of 18 U.S.C. 1001. What happened with the GSA?

  43. Things may not be what they seem by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Informative

    We had a whistleblower where I work a few years back. He claimed some sort of technical problem in one of our products.

    The problem was, and I was in a position to know, he was absolutely, completely wrong. But he kept up and kept up like it was a mental illness or something.

    So I tend not to automatically side with the so called whistleblowers until I have better info.

  44. Re:Or... QWZX by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thanks for taking your responsibilities seriously. We need more people that do.

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  45. YouTube: The new Consumer Affairs by Jason+Argo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used YouTube to voice a complaint against Freedom Furniture several months ago, after they sold me a "Laptop Table" that promptly destroyed my laptop. Freedom Furniture wouldn't cooperate in fixing the damage their product directly caused, so I released the video to the public.

    Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0-Vbqyby8

    While not even remotely original in concept, it's an effective method of getting a warning out.

  46. Microsoft kills by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The popularity and exposure of the Internet perhaps came too late for Challenger, but as Columbia was orbiting there were emails going between engineers and management, saying the launch videos show something hitting the orbiter, let's have a big telescope look at it in orbit to see if it's okay. Management nixed the idea, though it had been done on early shuttle flights when tiles were a concern.

    Management nixed the idea, because they never "got it" in the first place. And in this particular case, it was not management's fault for being dense, but the engineer's for choosing to do a powerpoint presentation rather than plainly saying to management: "Houston, we have a huge problem, and we need to do something about it now".

    Predictably, management dosed off during the boring powerpoint presentation, and only learned about the tiles when they saw the accident coverage on CNN...

  47. Completely Offtopic by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny
    apparently no one else would listen to these boobs

    I know boobs are for looking at... fondling... sucking... but I never tried listening to one. Or two.

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  48. Re:Or... QWZX by Aceticon · · Score: 3, Informative

    To simplify things further:

    - If passing through unshielde cables, internal ship comunications, commands and sensor data can be read from a distance using a proper (directional) antena, a good low noise amp, an analog to digital converter (ADC), a notebook and some software.

    This might not be an issue if the patrol boat is facing a couple of guys with AK-47s in a rubber boat, but it can be an issue if facing another nation's navy or a drug baron (both of which having the means and the smarts to take advantage of such a vulnerability).

    Tempest attacks are only a "tin-foil crowd" thing when we're talking about non-descript individuals shielding their computer screens against "being read from a distance" even if such individuals are highly unlikely to be under surveilance by an organization with the right means and know-how.

    It's way more likelly that the right persons (or should i say the wrong persons) are interested in intercepting internal communications of ships used in war or for security purposes (even if they are hardly aircraft carriers) than in reading the porn and unix commands of a non-descript geek with a little too much paranoia.

    Or putting things another way, the higher the value of a target, the more likelly it is that complicated, expensive and/or specialized techniques are used against it.

  49. Re:Or... QWZX by Zapman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Accusation is not guilt. We may never know if these issues have merit. They might have great merit, and got him fired for whistle blowing. They might be without merit, and this is the last straw to break an overly paranoid engineer's employment.

    It all hinges on the merit of the claims, which we can't validate.

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  50. Re:Or... QWZX by LordKronos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no analogously perverse incentive exists for them to deploy defective gunboats.

    How about the fact that they've already been deployed, and fixing the problem will thus be expensive and inconvenient for the government/coast guard, and the contractor doesn't want egg on their face. Seems like a couple of good incentives to me.

  51. Re:Lockheed Martin is an inferior company by Marimus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Best radar systems in the world hey? I don't suppose you have heard of JORN, developed in Australia? It can detect stealth aircraft over 3000km away, but i'm sure lockheed must have something better right?

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  52. Alaska Airlines Flight 261 by C_Kode · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds somewhat similar to Alaska Airlines Flight 261 in Jan. 31, 2000. A maintenance guy reports all kinds of problems to the government because Alaska Airlines wanted to save money instead of properly maintaining their planes by keeping them in the air, but in the end nothing gets done and 88 people die because of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Fligh t_261

    What isn't listed in this Wikipedia was the guy that reported all the problems. His story is told in the National Geographic Channel's Air Crash Investigation about the crash. (it was on last night)

  53. Re:Lockheed Martin is an inferior company by RShizzle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my mind, the issue here is not what the product was, or if it was acceptable. Because, this would be fine if it were private Coast Guard dollars paying for the boats. The issue is if tax dollars, gleaned from the hard working citizens, were squandered on a goverment program intended to protect the people, and the people end up not being protected either because of government inefficacy, or corporate greed. That is the real question.

  54. Re:Or... QWZX by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Informative

    My mother was one of the people who assembled the heaters for the O-rings on Challenger. The government investigators asked a lot of questions at her place of work. The engineers there very quickly pointed out to them that the shuttle was flown well outside the specs for which the heaters had been designed. They had been designed for specs more stringent than for what they had been commissioned, just to give some extra padding room for error.

    Let me restate what that means. The shuttle, to save some dollars associated with delaying the launch, was flown well outside the specs for the components given to the engineers at the subcontractors who made those components. And with those tens of thousands of dollars as a goal, they gambled the billions invested into the shuttle program, the PR they had put into the teacher in space idea, and the lives of six astronauts and a public school teacher. They lost.

    I bet it's not as common as it was in 1985. I'm not surprised that a government that had the support of a nation for a space program that was going well but went and blew it all for some financial savings would do the same on some Coast Guard patrol boats. I'm not surprised at all. When was the last time you saw an elementary school playground full of kids in Young Astronauts t-shirts watching a model rocket go up in the air?

  55. Re:Or... QWZX by imispgh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly what i told them over and over. Come clean - no one else does that - you will be better off a year or so from now. I even offered to go back on the job as Chief Engineer and get it right. Here's why they don't. So many trusted managers said I was wrong that they simply don't know they are. I think they never really looked at the data.

  56. Re:Or... QWZX by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hahahahahaha, good one.

    Your international calls are eavesdropped on by the NSA, an agency specifically not permitted to conduct surveillance on US citizens. Your domestic calls are traffic-analysed for "patterns indicating terrorism". Your ISP, telephone and library records are browsed by law enforcement not only without a warrant, but with punishments for the librarians/engineers/companies responsible if they tip you off.

    You're holding hundreds of foreign nationals in legal limbo in a concentration camp, where they're regularly humiliated and tortured with complete administration approval. They're subject to secret trials without legal protection, and "due process" isn't even paid lip-service. The CIA has been caught illegally flying suspects to authoritarian regimes through your allies airports without permission so they can be "properly" tortured without US personnel being directly held responsible.

    The PATRIOT act powers, far from only being used to catch terrorists (as promised) have been used to harrass holidaymakers, arrest peaceful demonstrators and deny innocent people flights and passports. In addition, said powers were recently renewed and made permanent, even though they were firmly promised to be "only temporary" when introduced after 9/11.

    Your democratic system is hopelessly corrupt - one party controls (and is consolidating its hold) on all three branches of your government, your representatives are either corrupt or powerless in the face of the Whitehouse, judicial oversight of the executive branch has been gutted, your leaders are known to have broken the law multiple times and that's not even counting the constant background noise of corrupt representatives (to be fair, more Republicans than Democrats, but still both) being outed in dodgy financial deals and abuses of power. Your elections would embarrass a south american banana republic, with Diebold and ES&S machines showing all kinds of voting irregularities (when people haven't been erroneously thrown off the voting rolls for daring to have a similar name to a convicted felon), machines so easy to hack a chimpanzee has been videoed doing it and programmers testifying the systems are insecure by design, and that they were paid to produce election-subverting tools for Republican party members.

    You've lost the rights to: not be searched without due cause, not permit law enforcement entry into your home without "good reason" to believe a crime is being committed, the right to free speech and the majority of rights ensuring your privacy.

    And that's without even touching on the deliberate treason by the current administration outing an undercover CIA operative for political gains, "clamping down on terrorism" by selling off your ports to a middle-eastern company with decidedly dodgy connections, an illegal war in Iraq, thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent foreign nationals dead, an army so unpopular it can't recruit enough people to mintain parity and so financially fucked it can't afford proper equipment for the people they already have.

    Plus, y'know, Creationism/ID being taught as "science", the environment, your entire foreign policy making you a pariah in the international scene and all the other fun things that haven't changed a bit since 9/11.

    Need I go on?

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  57. Re:Or... QWZX by imispgh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No violation. The original position of the CG and LM was that there was no 360 degree requirment for the cameras (which is nonsense) Also LM and others have said my allegations were baseless. Can't have it both ways (Which is why I found the CGs request to have YouTube pull the video very telling. If it is a security violation like they say then why are their blind spots on 8 boats. Very avoidable blind spots)

  58. Re:Or... QWZX by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fnar, again: good one.

    I'm as hot as you on the media sensationalising trivial occurrances, and the damage the inevitable knee-jerk reactions by short-sighted citizens and bandwagon-jumping representatives. I think this is one of the major problems with modern society in the West - we're hearing news from all four corners of the earth, but we've got brains evolved for living in small groups of 100-150 people, so at a subsconscious level we assume anything we hear happening to anyone must be happening to people in a group that size.

    We hear about a child getting abducted and murdered, and instead of going "well, that's a 1 in 10,000,000 chance, nothing to worry about" we go "Shit! My kids are playing inside now for the rest of their lives!!!111!!11eleventy!!!1".

    Nevertheless, when you have clear and incontrovertible proof that your own government is eavesdropping on the population (and, like it or not, Echelon is listening to your calls and eavesdropping on your e-mail, and traffic analysis is being done on your phone), in defiance of the laws of the land, that's neither "media manipulation" nor "isolated".

    When you look at the statistics and see the economy tanking, you see Creationism/ID being given the status of a "science", you see the "before" and "after" versions of a scientific report that's been vetted by the Whitehouse, it's hard to write those off as media manipulation.

    When you read amateur blog postings of people who have been arrested and detained for days for taking part in a peaceful (pre-arranged!) protest, or when you read self-published accounts of people being denied visas or flights because their name sounds a bit like a suspected terrorist, that's not media manipulation.

    When you see time and again the law enforcement admitting the use of PATRIOT Act powers in situations completely unrelated to terrorism, that's neither media manipulation, nor something that's "always happened".

    "There are almost no stories of abuses by normal citizens in the news media. It just doesn't happen."

    Maybe not in Fox news, mate, but try raising your head occasionally (fuck it: just do a Google search) and you'd be amazed what you see.

    And that only took a couple of minutes and a quick search.

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