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Ten Most Used BitTorrent Sites Compared

An anonymous reader writes that "This study was just released that compares the ten most popular BitTorrent sites. A great read if you are torn between what site to use, it has benchmark graphs and anaylsis. I was rather suprised with the findings." I hadn't heard of several of the top sites they rate. But why is it that so many torrent sites are so ugly?

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  1. Ugly? In What Way? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I hadn't heard of several of the top sites they rate. But why is it that so many torrent sites are so ugly?
    Excellent question! But a difficult one to answer because, if cheesy TV has taught me anything, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder?

    I've never taken a UI design course. And I'm probably the last person on earth to be able to make one. I'm an engineer developer and my web services often have no front end. If they do, it is one of ice cold ability to do what you want -- the perfect marriage of function and function.

    So what about these sites displeases you? I just flipped through four of them and none of them made my eyes puke like an angry fruit salad (although BushTorrent did cause me to cringe at the site of my 'fearless leader') ... so what in particular is the problem?

    Hell, I even visited Torrentz and, although the 90s called and asked for their 'z' back, the design was still pleasing to me. I went to isoHunt that was minimalist but still did the job. I went to MegaNova and even though it was busy as hell, it had the top torrents laid out by category. So what's the problem? There are a few flaws here and there but these sites serve the function they are there to perform. The only really ugly things on these sites are the ads. So far I've seen one flashing ad and one shaking ad. Those are offensive to my eye but I'm so use to ignoring them! I mean, the people who run these indexing sites probably don't get revenue from anything but ads so to make their pages load faster, they inundate us with banners and Ads By Google. So what? So does Slashdot and I'm here quite often. It's the 00s, most sites would put ads by Google on their own grandmother if she was digital.

    I don't see any problems with these UIs. They're not award winning, but then again, should they be? I mean, the few times I've used bittorrent is because a site wants to host a large file illegally (like a WoW patch or whatever) and they instead offer a torrent file. I'm really interested in what everyone else is interested in and, if you are, then just go to these sites and peruse them. Don't make them your homepage.

    If you really think they're that horrible, wander back to Geocities user pages and enjoy dancing Jesus and Flying Toasters with the blink marquee tag abused to high hell. Then you'd be overjoyed to see some of the gradient blends used on these pages.
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  2. Thanks by ricky-road-flats · · Score: 5, Funny
    But why is it that so many torrent sites are so ugly?
    ... good question, but you ask it then point us to a page with acres of exposed lime green background...
    1. Re:Thanks by Turakamu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank goodness you warned me; I was under mistaken impression it was "web 2.0 olive".

    2. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      acres of exposed lime green background...

      Somehow I'm not inclined to take seriously any artistic evaluation from someone who doesn't even know what color lime green is.

    3. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That page has acres of exposed background because your browser window is too wide. What do you suggest they do with all that space on the sides? If they made the content wider, text lines would be too long to read comfortably - you'd lose your position when moving from the end of a line to the beginning of the next. They could fill the sides with ads and other crap, and that's what most sites do, but is it really an advantage for the user?

      Maybe it would be better if you simply made your browser window thinner and used the rest of your screen for something more useful than advertising.

  3. Function not form. by RLiegh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one really cares what the site looks like when they're trying to grab their 0-day moviez.

  4. The original BT.com by tygerstripes · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The editor basically slags it off for a number of (valid) reasons, and finishes by saying "I personally expected better from the "creator"."

    Fair enough, but why the quotation marks? Is that meant to be a dig at Brah's "supposed" claim to have created it? Be fair, the guy created something that revolutionised the internet as a medium for media. I don't think he deserves that kind of attitude for not doing as great a job at implementing the service as he did with the software.

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    1. Re:The original BT.com by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently he thinks that BT was created in order for him to get warez and movies faster, and that "the creator" is somehow failing in his responsibilities by not facilitating this. Which is silly as the creator has always maintained that he developed BT as just a transport mechanism and tried to distance himself from "the scene" whenever given the chance.

    2. Re:The original BT.com by Kozz · · Score: 1

      It's probably the same punctuation deficiency which causes businesses to craft advertisements/signs which read

      On "Sale"

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    3. Re:The original BT.com by Sandor+at+the+Zoo · · Score: 1

      I think the editor put quotes around "creator" for the same reason he misspelled so many words.

    4. Re:The original BT.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's due to the fact that while he defined the underlying protocol, all the big developments and adoption since then came in spite of him, his software and his views, rather than due to him AND he gets too much credit from the press for it's popularity.

      Personally I don't know a single person that actually uses the "official" client rather than Azureus/utorrent/Bitcomet (none of which are based on the original code) or some other variant. I still remember when he refused to put in a simple upload control when 1.5mb/128kbps connections were common and the resulting web browsing/download speeds were shot because your upload stream was completely saturated.

    5. Re:The original BT.com by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      There's a barn I used to drive past to get to work that had "Top Quality 'HORSES and COWS'" After about a year, they had taken white-out to the quotations around "HORSES and COWS"

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    6. Re:The original BT.com by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's probably the same punctuation deficiency which causes businesses to craft advertisements/signs which read

      On "Sale"
      Nah, that's just truth in advertising. The prices aren't lower than they were last week; they just increased their "regular" price.
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    7. Re:The original BT.com by operagost · · Score: 1
      At least it wasn't
      HORSE'S AND COW'S
      *shudder*

      The apostrophe says, "Look out, here comes an 's'!"

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    8. Re:The original BT.com by Ossifer · · Score: 1

      The worst possessive errors are restaurant names. There's a San Francisco-based chain called "Specialty's". I would really like to meet Mr. or Ms. Specialty...

  5. Which of these by stupidfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which of these top 10 sites focus on non-copyrighted material? You know, the stuff that the torrent fans bring up as the reason they use bittorrent?

    1. Re:Which of these by grev · · Score: 1

      Which of these top 10 sites focus on non-copyrighted material? You know, the stuff that the torrent fans bring up as the reason they use bittorrent?
       
      I don't know, but how many of them would not be running an OS right now if it weren't for one of the top 10 sites? And I'm not just talking about Windows.

    2. Re:Which of these by ShakaZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you meant which of these sites focus on legal downloads... it seems the author simply wasn't focusing on that type of torrent sites which are also quite popular. Up to know i was only aware of legal torrent downloads, primarily opensource software & operating systems, some from free music providers too... these often contain copyrighted material, though downloading them is perfectly legal..

    3. Re:Which of these by EzInKy · · Score: 1


      Which of these top 10 sites focus on non-copyrighted material? You know, the stuff that the torrent fans bring up as the reason they use bittorrent?


      Since current law makes just about everything copyright by default I'm afraid you are going to have a hard time finding any site that does not have potentially infringing material. The thing that really bites though is that it is almost impossible to determine whether a particular file is being distributed against the creator's wishes until it is downloaded and examined. I recommend that you write your representatives and urge them to fix this situation by bringing back mandatory registration and the creation of a searchable online database of works which may not be freely shared by the general public without prior permission of the authors.

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    4. Re:Which of these by thatbox · · Score: 5, Informative
      There's always Legaltorrents.com, started by Simon Carless!

      please note that all of the current torrents are made available under a Creative Commons license with the full permission of the rights holder.
    5. Re:Which of these by EzInKy · · Score: 1


      There's always Legaltorrents.com, started by Simon Carless!


      I've been to that site but its index page is extermely slim particularly considering that 99.9% of human creations are in the public domain or under freely redistrubutable licenses, not to mention it lacks a search feature.

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    6. Re:Which of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you might want to add you legal torrents to http://www.prym.net/

    7. Re:Which of these by dk-software-engineer · · Score: 1

      I don't think legal use of bittorrent need index-sites.

      If I want to download the latest greatest version of Eclipse or Knoppix, I go to the Eclipse website. There I will find torrents among the other ways to get it.

      If I go to the Stargate website, there's no torrents, ed2k-urls or even FTP/HTTP-urls to the episodes. THEN I must turn to the index sites.

    8. Re:Which of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would assume that the fact that legal torrents are less popular is the reason why poor Simon can't get enough ad revenue to purchase a car.

    9. Re:Which of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Which of these top 10 sites focus on non-copyrighted material"

      It depends on which country you live in. If your country's copyright law has a copyright length of 1 year, then much of this is 'non-copyrighted' for you.

    10. Re:Which of these by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      Up to know i was only aware of legal torrent downloads, primarily opensource software & operating systems, some from free music providers too...

      Unless you're trying to be particularly tricky with wording... what rock have you lived under that you're 'not aware' of torrent sites that offer movies, music and unlicenced software?

  6. The best Torrent sites are private... by packeteer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly the best torrent sites are the semi-private ones. There are quite a few non-public bit torrent sites that are very easy to get into but are not directly available to anyone who goes to their web page.

    I find that public BT sites are too slow becuase nobody cares to share much.

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    1. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by packeteer · · Score: 1

      I should have mentioned that one thing that bothers me the most about public torrent sites is all of the duped torrents and broken torrents.

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    2. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by daranz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The downside to semi-private torrent sites is that users try to beat each other at seeding instead of seeding simply to make live easier for others. They'll download small files and seed them for ages, or try to download a torrent from multiple sources and networks in order to be the first in line to seed. The ratio scores that many of these sites implement make it actually hard to get a higher ratio for your average user, because of the saturation of seeders.

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    3. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends, I find public torrent sites to be just fine on newly released content with plenty seeds. Easiest way to get a quick download without having to seed for ages afterwards. Not that I mind seeding, but I have been a member of torrent sites where it's almost impossible to seed. Yes, you can download at ungodly speeds and subsequently get banned, or you have to strangle your own download or have been seeding old torrents forever (which rarely is much point, because so is everyone else). I could *easily* reach ratios of 10:1 on free downloading, which would get you banned very quickly.

    4. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by JebJoya · · Score: 1

      "The ratio scores that many of these sites implement make it actually hard to get a higher ratio for your average user, because of the saturation of seeders."

      True, of course, but as an 'average user' myself with a ratio of just over 1 the "saturation of seeders" as you put it is of course advantageous to me - I can get what are normally little-downloaded files as the mad seeders will seed things like that because there are less seeders seeding.

      Okay, maybe a few to many "seeds" in that last paragraph, but I hope you get my gist.

      Jeb

    5. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by TorKlingberg · · Score: 1

      I have better use for my time than convincing some 14-year-old to let me in on his super-elite torrent tracker. I like going to a public site, search, click, forget it for a while, and it's done. If you are looking for some specific genre and find a private site specializing on just than I can see the point. But hey, even anime is mainstream by now.

    6. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Honestly the best torrent sites are the semi-private ones. Agreed. But I still hate the ultra-private, invite-only ones that make you jump through hoops to join. Are they that desperate to keep out leechers, or is there some other reason? I've ended up using Demonoid almost exclusively when I want to share something (I uploaded nearly 500GB in 8 months), because they're semi-public.

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    7. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's share private and semi-private torrent sites. I personally use empornium.us and cheggit.net for porn, and demonoid.com for everything else. Both open registrations every once in a while (don't require invitation), so with a bit of patience getting in is easy. I believe cheggit.net is currently open.

      Posting anonymously because I don't want my excellent name to be associated with piracy ;-)

    8. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Fordiman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meanwhile, why isn't demonoid in this list? I can almost always find what I want there...

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    9. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Because Demonoid is a member site and stopped accepting new members at least a year ago. I see they accept new members on weekends now. Annoying.

    10. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a slightly different note, anybody got pull to get me an account on themixingbowl.org?

    11. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by packeteer · · Score: 1

      Maybe you belong to different torrent communities but i dont see this is a problem. Honestly there are quite a few seeders that are based on university networks or even trojaned boxes. These provide quite a lot of uload speed to the community for all the leachers to download from. You are rightr that there are a few people who uploaded terabytes and never download in return. Thats not a bad thing for the average member, that means you can have leachers and the community wont fall apart.

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    12. Re:The best Torrent sites are private... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure there's much value to be had in talking about "ethical/moral" torrenting behaviour in the same paragraph as discussing torrent networks that use trojaned boxes to 'seed more' for the community members ...

  7. 10 most popular by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are the ones with the best warez, pr0n and movies. Who gives a crap about looks?

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    1. Re:10 most popular by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1
      Who gives a crap about looks?

      If you can't complain about the content, bellyaching about the site's aesthetics is the way to go.

      ...especially if you're still living in your Parents' basement.

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    2. Re:10 most popular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who gives a crap about looks?

      It's a bit like a bank thief complaining about mismatched furniture inside a bank.

    3. Re:10 most popular by Otter · · Score: 1
      Judging from the garbage on their lists (The #1 music download on the #2 site is "Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell III - The Monster Is Loose"), I'd say the problem is that the proprietors' taste in site design is about as good as their users' taste in what's worth stealing.

      Speaking of which, I thought P2P was used primarily for legal downloads and that's why The Man was so eager to shut it down before Creative Commons drum'n'bass loops cut into the sales of, errr, "Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell III - The Monster Is Loose"? All I see on their top 10 lists is infringement and more infringement.

    4. Re:10 most popular by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      I thought P2P was used primarily for legal downloads

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    5. Re:10 most popular by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Legal downloads don't need indexed or hosted. The torrents for legal downloads are easily found on the sites that create them.

      Which, by the way, is exactly why the **AA goes after the torrent indexers and hosts. Go after the protocol, and you have every geek in the world screaming bloody murder. Go after the indexers, and you only have the pirates complaining.

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    6. Re:10 most popular by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Half the torrents I have running right now are grey area at worst. TV shows that I could tape were still up in the air last I knew, but I'm downloading neither HD nor DVD rips so I consider someone else doing the work for me within my fair use rights.

      Don't get me wrong - there are plenty of illegal torrents out there. Our argument is that you shouldn't stop something that can do a huge amount of good just because it might be used for bad. Good luck stopping all of bittorrent traffic worldwide... but please don't stop me from trying to make it so my bandwidth bills don't shoot through the roof when I want to distribute a fairly hefty-sized (or just fairly popular) piece of OSS I've created.

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  8. Public trackers suck by InterBigs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are lots (quasi-)private trackers, which not only have as many torrents listed as the sites mentioned in the article, but also provide a lot more quality (in download speed) because of the involved ratio system (demon**** is a good example of this). And there are some very hot 0-day trackers which, even though they only track torrents for 1000 hours, are very popular among many people (such as the file* sites).

    Bittorrent-users aren't considered 1337 in general, but they can be 1337er than the ones who use the sites in this article :)

  9. Shhhhhhhh! by AltGrendel · · Score: 0

    Don't tell the RIAA.

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    1. Re:Shhhhhhhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there goes BTJunkie.

  10. "TBP"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume it's supposed to say "TPB".

  11. From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read this: by tygerstripes · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists. If it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong.
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  12. Step up! Get your WAREZ !! Step right up! Get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Step up! Get your WAREZ !! Step right up! Get your WAREZ !!

    {hohum}

  13. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists. If it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong.
    How hilariously coincidental. And although it may be the quote of the moment, I must counter with something I've said to many people: Stephen Hawking isn't very aesthetically pleasing but he's rarely wrong.

    Or, conventionally cited as "you can't judge a book by its cover."

    What it means is that I've seen some very ugly things create or provide very beautiful things. Elliott Smith was ugly but his music was beautiful. Although the library I went to as a kid was ugly and looked like an old bomb shelter, it provided something very important to me. Although snakes and earth worms and spiders look ugly as hell, I still love what they do. And, as a kid, it made sense to me to kill rabbits and pocket gophers on a farm while making sure not to harm a garden snake as I mowed the lawn.

    Like I'll still maintain, whether something is beautiful or ugly tells me nothing.
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  14. TFA's conclusion: by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... btjunkie.org

    However, I'm not sure I can trust anything this 'review' says. For example, by the numbers btjunkie.org seems incredibly more successful than any of its competition, which seems a bit odd given that it doesn't seem that well-known (53,000 hits on Google; compare to mininova, which has 3,000,000). TFA says:

    "At first I thought BTJunkie's numbers must be fake, but I assure you it is real! I tested the number posted with the number in the actual directory for the day and they matched for a week straight!"

    Yes, I am sure that you did, and I am also sure that you don't own btjunkie.org. 100% sure.

    1. Re:TFA's conclusion: by The+Blow+Leprechaun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been using btjunkie regularly for about a year now. It is pretty good because it has so much, but it's slow as hell and you lose all seeders frequently because, as someone previously mentioned, public bittorrent sites kind of suck.

      One of the more important elements of a good bittorrent site is a responsive community so that you can request things and actually expect them to be upped. Nothing like being able to get a VHS rip of Howard the Duck or War Games, older stuff that it's harder to find.

      On a related note, I was under the impression that the Pirate Bay had been taken down and was now being closely monitored and downloading from them was essentially flagging yourself.

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    2. Re:TFA's conclusion: by brunascle · · Score: 1

      i, too, call shenanigans.

      seeing as how btjunkie.org seems to have been indirectly slashodotted, i find it hard to believe they're that big.

    3. Re:TFA's conclusion: by in2mind · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I too have a feeling that the whole article is a whitewash written by BTjunkie.org itself. BTJunkie.org homepage links to that blog article. (which amusingly is featured in slashdot frontpage..Hmm)

      And their stats seems to be HIGHLY INFLATED.

      Todays Torrents:i,396
      Total Torrents: 960,654
      Total Trackers: 10,085
      Total Seeders: 10.99mil
      Total Leechers: 16.57mil
      Excuse me.11 Million seeders?

      Compare that with the stats of wellknown sites like Mininova...

      Total torrents in database 148,079
      Total torrent downloads: 642,943,292
      Total seeds: 1,704,142
      Total leechers: 2,511,095
      Total number of trackers: 1,492
      Total searches today 333,557
    4. Re:TFA's conclusion: by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1
      On a related note, I was under the impression that the Pirate Bay had been taken down and was now being closely monitored and downloading from them was essentially flagging yourself.

      I haven't read that.

      While it was taken down, they supposedly got new servers and setup elsewhere. Now, if you don't want to believe that then I don't think anybody can fault you. It's not like the MPAA and such play fair and that would be just the sort of thing they might try. But this is the first I've heard someone say they've heard this elsewhere.

      As for me, with Comcast's (buggy) HD DVR I'm hard-pressed to find a reason to download a TV show (which would be the only thing I'd hypothetically get in this manner). I have too many things to worry about than to add "fear of lawsuit" to the list, so I try to stay clear of this whole mess. Though I do enjoy reading about everything that's going on -- it's funny yet disturbing.

      So, between a DVR, NetFlix, and iTunes I'm pretty much well covered.
    5. Re:TFA's conclusion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ya, they are faked. goto the software category on that site, and check out the 0-6MB Poker torrents which always have 90,000+ seeders and 80,000+ leechers. Most likely full of spyware, and faking the results to get to the top of the popular page.

    6. Re:TFA's conclusion: by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      The results are quite good, but if it can be brought down by Slashdot, it's not very useful.

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    7. Re:TFA's conclusion: by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative
      On a related note, I was under the impression that the Pirate Bay had been taken down and was now being closely monitored and downloading from them was essentially flagging yourself.

      Nope, the whole raid was apparently illegal and was done only because the white house pressured the Swedish government to do it, they might even end up getting paid restitution from their government (maybe that part's wishful thinking).

      Also, here is a tracert of thepiratebay.org, it would be pretty devious of the MPAA to use this domain name (apb is a swedish copyright lobby organisation):

      Tracing route to piratebay.org [83.140.176.146] over a maximum of 30 hops:

      1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1

      2 1 ms 2 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.62

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      .
      .

      9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-4470.port80.se [195.245.240.143]

      10 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepirate bay.org [83.140.176.146]


      :)
    8. Re:TFA's conclusion: by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Nice to be able to afford it. I can just about afford broadband. Now, I'm not saying I'm a pirate or anything, but I do need entertained.

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    9. Re:TFA's conclusion: by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      For an inside look on the raid and what happened after that and how the Pirate Party is involved, find "Steal This Movie" on you preferred P2P network :)

    10. Re:TFA's conclusion: by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      I actually ment Steal this film, like from here

    11. Re:TFA's conclusion: by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Download more than 3 items from there and you get a "join us" blocking page. Yeah, this looks like a scam. Back to mininova and demonoid with me.

  15. MPAA and RIIA by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much you wanna bet the MPAA and RIIA are also reading this article. Thanks guys. Not only do you independently show which sites engage in copyright enfringement but also how much each site does that (on a daily basis no less)

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    1. Re:MPAA and RIIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      How much you wanna bet the MPAA and RIIA are also reading this article. Thanks guys. Not only do you independently show which sites engage in copyright enfringement but also how much each site does that (on a daily basis no less)
      Torrent trackers do not engage in copyright infringement. At worst, they engage in contributory infringement (they facilitate those who wish to engage in copyright infringement). The files hosted on the torrent tracker are *.torrent files, and that's all that they distribute.

      And as to whether this review is a boon to the *AA, I think not. They are not lacking for targets of their lawsuits, they are lacking for time, money, and resources to pursue the myriad of potential infringers that are easily identified.

      So I really don't see how posting a review of torrent sites changes anything.
    2. Re:MPAA and RIIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't download a lot of pron, but a few year ago it looked like RIAA was killing of bittorrent. What happended in between? It bittorrent as a alive and kicking now as it was 4 years ago or are people moving to emule?

    3. Re:MPAA and RIIA by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      what do these sites do that kazza does/did not do?

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    4. Re:MPAA and RIIA by thelost · · Score: 1

      I don't want to bet at all, the idea that they aren't aware of the major bittorrent sites out there is ridiculous.

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    5. Re:MPAA and RIIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were found guilty of contributory infringement. Torrent trackers may also be sued for contributory infringement, but to claim that they are infringing copyright demonstrates a lack of understanding of how bit-torrent works.

    6. Re:MPAA and RIIA by muffen · · Score: 1
      How much you wanna bet the MPAA and RIIA are also reading this article. Thanks guys. Not only do you independently show which sites engage in copyright enfringement but also how much each site does that (on a daily basis no less)
      Seriously? If they didn't know this already they are crappier then I thought, I my thoughts of the xxAA aren't high to begin with.
    7. Re:MPAA and RIIA by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      "a few year ago it looked like RIAA was killing of bittorrent. What happended in between? It bittorrent as a alive and kicking now as it was 4 years ago or are people moving to emule?"

      Actually, people moved from emule to BT.

      The concept of BT being killed off is... erroneous. To have an operating BT site, you need a tracker, a seeder, and a number of clients. Since these things are all relatively easy to obtain and run, and are legal to posess and execute, it would be nigh impossible to make BT as a system for sharing files illegal.

      The weak point is, of course, making the Torrenting public aware of the files. This is where indexing sites come in, and the reason they are the target of the **AA. Meanwhile, if all of them are shut down, there will be a horde of new indexers hosted in, say, Durkadurkastan (where they aren't breaking any laws) within a week. Supply grows to meet demand. Just how it goes.

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    8. Re:MPAA and RIIA by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      They were found guilty of contributory infringement. Torrent trackers may also be sued for contributory infringement, but to claim that they are infringing copyright demonstrates a lack of understanding of how bit-torrent works."

      Do you see where your logic fails?

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  16. I personally still like The Pirate Bay by r_bertram42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's one of those things you just get used to doing, and it's hard to move on to something else.

    I actually started using Torrentz a while ago, but I couldn't get used to it's interface.

    It's like when AltaVista was THE search engine and then came along Google. It took me some time until I really abandoned AltaVista.

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    1. Re:I personally still like The Pirate Bay by in2mind · · Score: 1

      On the contrary,I visit TPB only because its in the news for various reasons. For actual use,i find their UI to be too bland with brown (with wrong statistics).

    2. Re:I personally still like The Pirate Bay by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      Who would you trust more with your IP address and download data, though? Personally, I go with TPB.

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    3. Re:I personally still like The Pirate Bay by r_bertram42 · · Score: 1

      As I said, this is a matter of personal convenience. I find their interface easy to use and their search quick and efficient.

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    4. Re:I personally still like The Pirate Bay by ramk13 · · Score: 1

      "How much you wanna bet the MPAA and RIIA are also reading this article. Thanks guys. Not only do you independently show which sites engage in copyright enfringement but also how much each site does that (on a daily basis no less)"

      When you consider the amount of money those organizations spend on curbing piracy, it's hard to imagine they need to rely on the so-so research of a blogger. I'd imagine they hire a consulting company, and get a real, comprehensive report. Say one that covers the actual content and level activity of the torrents on the sites. By the criteria listed in this blog summary, I could create a site with good features and 10000 dummy torrents a day and earn editors choice.

  17. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Stephen Hawking isn't very aesthetically pleasing but he's rarely wrong.
    I thought one of the main tests scientists use when evaluating a new theory is whether it 'looks right' or its 'beauty' (which could be another way of saying simplicity). And in mathematics, conjectures are often judged by how pretty the equation seems - to decide which ones are likely to be right, and worth trying to make a proof for. Certainly in programming the aesthetic quality of a program is the most important thing after making sure it passes the tests.

    Your analogy of insects is interesting: it does appear that bugs which are ugly or make us instinctively go 'yuck' are also those we'd want to avoid because they are parasites or spread diseases. A picture of a tick or flea evokes feelings of ugliness at some instinctual level.
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  18. Mod as troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, to prove my subject, I am going to go into it:
    I am sorry, but why should they have to defend anything ? Do Usenet-users defend their usage of usenet as "I am only downloading my favourite news-articles, or use it to discuss on politics ?", why should bittorrent users do the same ? IMHO they don't: it's a technology, it's easy, and yes it is used for warez as well as 'legal' usage. A/C to prevent karma whoring...

  19. Demonoid by in2mind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Iam surprised they didnt write about the Big daddy torrent tracker site Demonoid.com

    1. Re:Demonoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm not surprised - closed registration (at the moment), forum is down (no surprise there, 3rd time this year?), no sorting options whatsoever, etc... I love demonoid as well, but damn it's got it's issues.

    2. Re:Demonoid by yanos · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware of this place. It looks like they have alot of stuff that I can't find on other torrent sites (I was looking for this for a long time!). The problem is that registration is closed. Do you, by any chance, have an invitation code? :)

    3. Re:Demonoid by in2mind · · Score: 1

      Sorry I havent got invitation code.
      But,I just checked their site.Registration is open every weekend!

    4. Re:Demonoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give ya a registration code:

      kys2qgqis8

      If some other slashdotter gets it first, not my problem. PM me at "samwh" once you get there!

  20. Comparison Criteria by Graywolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The sites are compared by number of torrents, new torrents per day and "site features". This does not reflect a site's usability at all! What is importent is the average seeder/leecher quota and the availability + quality of "fresh" material. Those are obviously much harder to measure.

    For example, BTJunkie is "Editor's Choice" because it lists the most torrents, including "private" ones they find using a Google-likc web crawler. This means lots of available content, but can you guess how much junk/old/inactive torrents you will find there? I think you have to test the sites yourself to find what suits your requirements best. Still, good list of the "bigger" torrent sites there.

  21. "So many torrents sites are so ugly!" by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1, Funny

    I can see the new communications strategy of the RIAA and MPAA:

    "Not only are you a thief for downloading music and movies, downloading makes you gay!"

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  22. Re:Ugly? In What Way? by pendruo · · Score: 1

    Ugly? Those websites look like the sixtine chappel comparing to http://www.newpct.com/index.php/ My choice is adblocked isohunt anyway.

  23. A GUI revolution has taken place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Over the past few years, a GUI revolution has taken place, and it hasn't necessarily been beneficial. Surprisingly, it arose from what was once NeXTSTEP, which was often considered the most sane GUI out there. Mac OS X brought us a bubbly, colourful GUI with lots of shading. It was attractive to many people, but serious computer users who use their Macs for publishing, development, etc., found it to be wasteful. The large bubbly buttons took up more screen real estate than simple rectangles. The shading often added confusion, and removed clarity.

    Many have begun to think that a similar paradigm should be applied to web sites. This has particularly been the case in the Web 2.0 area, where large images of buttons take up three or four times the screen space that a more traditional linked image or text link would have consumed. Many people have become mislead into thinking that if a GUI isn't colourful and doesn't have large gaps between components and data, then it's a "poor" GUI.

    This revolution in GUI design moved on to Microsoft, a few years late, of course. The default theme of Windows Vista has attempted to copy the GUI of Mac OS X in many respects, and thus has copied many of the same problems. The taskbar is an excellent example. It has this white shading along the top that adds no functional benefit, and actually makes the taskbar more distracting and difficult to interpret quickly.

    With the latest release of iTunes 7, we actually are seeing Apple backtrack to where they were in the past. There are hints that the bubbly GUI will be a way of the past. I know there are many professionals using Apple systems that would be very pleased for a simple, NeXTSTEP-like interface that allows them to focus on getting their work done. We realize that bubbly GUIs and flashy shading don't help us get work done, and so we'd rather see them gone. It will be intriguing to see who prevails: those who advocate flashy, distracting GUIs, or those who want clean, crisp interfaces that promote usability.

    1. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Have you used OS X? The window control buttons are microscopic compared to the ones in Windows and most X window managers. The buttons have rounded off ends... so what? Everybody's human interface guidelines say you're not supposed to make the label go right to the edges of the button anyway, so OS X buttons don't take up any more space than rectangular ones do. There's one menu bar, not one for each window, saving space. Things like dock icons that magnify when you move the mouse over them save more space, if you want to.

      I really don't see any basis for your comment.

    2. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by ben+there... · · Score: 1

      I really hate replying to this, because there are so many people that make these Apple worshiping posts that I won't have time to reply to all of them. But I really can't take much more of this.

      Apple's UIs are not good. Take iTunes 7 for example. The search has no autocomplete. The iTunes store browser has no right-click to give you a Back option. When you purchase a track or get a podcast, it gives you no indication it has started other than a small indicator next to Downloads. When a download finishes and you're on the downloads page, it always flips you back to Music library, even if you were previously browsing the store, tv shows, or podcasts.

      The store breadcrumb is horribly broken. If you have Home->TV Shows->Eureka->Eureka Season 1 and you click Eureka, it takes you to the page you're already on. There is no way to get to their podcasts other than searching for Eureka again. If you're at Home->Music->System of a Down->Music Videos->Hypnotize and you click Music Videos, it doesn't show you all of SOAD's music videos, it shows you ALL music videos. That is not a breadcrumb. So they shouldn't make it look like one.

      iTunes has 2 font sizes: small (8pt) and large (10 or 12pt). Neither of those work well when viewing from a distance. They wouldn't work at all for someone with poor eyesight. Bad accessibility is not good UI.

      Nevermind that Quicktime makes you pay for full-screen, or that QT7 only works with admin accounts on Windows until you change the permissions in the registry for the QTControl. Or that iTunes causes the Windows installer to pop up for 5-10 seconds everytime I open it, doing what seems to be rebuilding its already existing shortcuts. Both of those aren't bad UI, just poor programming in general.

      I could continue explaining every single annoyance I find in Apple's UIs, but I understand that some people would have a problem with that. Some of the accessibility issues are bad UI, no question, regardless of personal preference. But it may be worth stating, that if many people bump into the same usability issues, and like me, they find that Apple products have a higher frequency of these issues than almost every other program that they use, Apple is not revolutionizing UIs. They're making them harder to use, but with better branding and marketing.

    3. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you used OS X? The window control buttons are microscopic compared to the ones in Windows and most X window managers. The buttons have rounded off ends... so what? Everybody's human interface guidelines say you're not supposed to make the label go right to the edges of the button anyway, so OS X buttons don't take up any more space than rectangular ones do. There's one menu bar, not one for each window, saving space. Things like dock icons that magnify when you move the mouse over them save more space, if you want to.

      I really don't see any basis for your comment.


      I've been a Mac OS X user since Cheetah, and a user of the previous Mac OS releases back to System 6. Also note that my background for the past decade involves graphics design and publishing. When I was still doing research, I was lucky enough to get to use NeXT Cubes.

      We're not just talking about window control buttons. We're talking about all buttons. The radius of the rounded corners is such that the button itself needs to be expanded (relative to being a rectangular button) in order to accomodate those rounded corners. That wastes space. Those of us who have experience with applications that survived the jump from NeXTSTEP, including Mail.app, can see this difference. It's quite apparent.

      Likewise, there's nothing wrong with the Mac OS-style menubars. They're very similar in nature to the single vertial menu of NeXTSTEP. It's a good design. Nobody but you even considers that it's a bad idea to do it that way.

      The problem is with excessive and useless graphics. I remind you, I know quite a bit about graphics design. One of the first things graphics designers are taught is the proper use of shading. Moderation is emphasized. For shading to be effective, you need to limit its use. The scrollbars and buttons of Mac OS X violate this basic principle. The taskbar of the default Windows Vista theme violates this basic principle. Shading can be a very useful tool, but when used improperly it becomes very distracting. You can't have a GUI distracting professional artists, editors, developers, page layout technicians, graphics designers, and others who need to use their computers to perform serious, work-related tasks.

    4. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by quiddity · · Score: 1

      "Apple uses three GUI styles: Aqua, Brushed Metal and Pro."

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    5. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      So far you've said that the GUI isn't perfect for all people. I'll agree. However, I disagree that it's gotten significantly worse. I think it's improved quite a bit (though I haven't looked at Vista). Now, if you were talking about the default theme in XP, there I could agree with you. Nothing like primary colours.

      I notice that all (or at least all the ones I use) of Apple's pro apps either use the alternate GUI look and feel with smaller, more compact buttons (without significant shading) or use their own.

      Looks like Apple agrees with you, and designs the apps they aim at professionals accordingly. The stuff they make for consumers? Simple and pretty.

    6. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by spoco2 · · Score: 1

      I have no mod points at present... so "Bravo!" will have to suffice :)

    7. Re:A GUI revolution has taken place. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be an either/or proposition? Why can't the framework for a personalized GUI be made available and then allow the user to choose what size/color they want their buttons, dialogs, etc? Put whatever default is currently in vogue such as flashy graphics or whatever and then let the user change it to suit their needs... kind of like how Windows XP lets you get rid of the PlaySkool interface and go back to classic mode. (oh my god, i just complimented microsoft! i think i can fix that real quick though) Microsoft did not go far enough in permitting personalization so I bought WindowBlinds and now I can have whatever kind of GUI that I want.

      In short, fooey on corporately controlled GUIs and the people who whine about them.

      strike

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  24. user comments by ElephanTS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only thing a torrent site really needs is a user comment section. If the quality is bad you'll read about it before you download like 1.4G of data and waste your time.

    I think all these sites are pretty good in their way and to mark them down as 'ugly' doesn't make much sense.

    If someone made one using Flash would it be any better? The answer is no (and I develop flash sites too).

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  25. bt junkie . . . by ElephanTS · · Score: 1

    . . . has been slashdotted. So get off it slashdotters, it's my site and I need it. ;-)

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    1. Re:bt junkie . . . by matt328 · · Score: 1

      Yes, these were what used to be the top 10 torrent sites. Now they've all been slashdotted. Thanks guys.

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  26. Another function by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was surprised to find that legaltorrents.com is not even mentioned. Are they such a bit player? Is there a bigger, better site in that space (i.e. free/openn/cc culture)?

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    1. Re:Another function by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Is there a bigger, better site in that space (i.e. free/openn/cc culture)?

      Probably not in that space, but the article is about the ten most used bittorrent sites overall.

    2. Re:Another function by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      seriosly... have you ever examined what's there? approx 50 torrents of weird stuff no-one's ever heard of or ever will... CC licensed work suffers from a fatal catch 22 at the moment... there are no big names using it... and until there are, there won't be any...

      a far better site for music is here at least there are "names"

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  27. isoHunt / Mininova by ColinPL · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In my opinion the best site for new releases is isoHunt. There are no fake files on isoHunt and isoHunt torrents usually have many reliable trackers cross-referenced from BitTorrent sites across the internet.

    For older files Mininova is the best. It has almost 150000 files. Everyone can upload, but there are good moderators who remove fake files. The site has a very fast, CSS-based layout without HTML tables.

    I don't use private sites, because it's very hard to have a high ratio on those sites if you don't download 0-day releases. On public sites I have a 1.0-1.1 ratio after 3 hours of seeding. It's impossible on private sites because there are 8 times more seeders than leechers.

  28. Re:Grammar Police vs. TFA by Lissajous · · Score: 1

    M'lud - we move for summary dismissal on medical grounds. The accused suffers from not only an article deficiency, but also a form of schizophrenia known as fragmentation. If we examine the statement from by the Grammar Police this is really self-evident.

    Their index is comprised of only torrents they index on their tracker, but don't worry because there the tracker has almost 350,000 torrents.

    Also: -

    Torrent Portal is famous for there a large following of faithful uploaders

    The defence rests, whilst awaiting the completion of the defendants fragment upon return of their original personality.

  29. Re:Grammar Police vs. TFA by Lissajous · · Score: 1

    (oops - please insert this apostrophe (') in the appropriate location in previous reply - the precise location left as an exercise for the reader).

  30. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Jesapoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can write very beautiful code and yet have an interface as ugly as sin... likewise, you can have horrible spaghetti code lying behind a very pretty GUI.

    Besides, isn't it good design to keep the interface of your program slightly ugly, whilst maintaining a logical and flowing design, as to avoid distracting the user from what they're trying to do? Flowers and curves and ponies are all well and good, but they don't necessarily make for an easy to use interface.

  31. Succeeding Like Success by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The beauty of the BT protocol is that greater popularity means faster downloads, due to more simultaneous sources of content. So I'd expect there to eventually result just the biggest BT network, attracting everyone from slower, smaller networks. Like eBay, or any other increasingly "perfect capital market".

    And I'd expect the content available to eventually "diffuse" across these networks, equalizing in availability on all of them, especially the largest.

    But BT is now several years old, with many global users, and there are still lots of little networks and very different content available. What's working against those basic borg trends?

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    1. Re:Succeeding Like Success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What's working against those basic borg trends

      Common sense. If I'm going to do something that potentially gets me sued, why would I go to the biggest most popular place that lets anyone in? You're just asking to get burned when the crackdowns start. I'm going to go to the smallest, most discreet and selective site that still fulfills my need.

    2. Re:Succeeding Like Success by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What stops people already in the largest communities from using content from the big ones to get content from the small ones and then put it on the big ones where there's more to trade for?

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  32. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by tygerstripes · · Score: 1
    I just mentioned it as, yes, a hilarious coincidence.

    However, you're talking apples & oranges here, although you've raised an interesting point. What wer're talking about is the act of creation, whereas you're talking about the creator (I use "creation" here loosely).

    The idea as I understand it is that a well-trained scientist/engineer/mathematician/whatever has a good sense of what works well and what doesn't. He develops a sort of "instinct" for what is a successful and elegant implementation, and what is a botch job that just meets the needs of the job. Usually it is the former that turns out to be the most robust, the easiest to use or maintain, the furthest-reaching in its unanticipated capabilities. The latter will tend to fail under slight changes in function or environment. (Sorry, I'm trying to generalise here).

    So, an expert in their field learns to be attracted to solutions that are elegant and practical. They learn to instinctively find beautiful those implementations which will work best. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the parent poster said, and those who spend a lot of time looking at solutions in their particular field will find beauty in function.

    Therefore, the aphorism holds quite true. If someone hacks together a product, site, program that looks shoddy to him but apparently meets the specification, they instinctively know that it isn't great and will, in future, cause problems. The quote, I suspect, is meant to encourage those who work in such capacities to have more concern for the "aesthetics" of their product - by which it means "does it look good to you?".

    To go back to Hawking, I think he'd agree: if an equation explaining some aspect of the universe looks ugly as hell, it's probably not quite right. This is a source of ongoing debate (is it likely that the universe is based on simple truths, or are we just making particularly good sense of chaos? Can we ever find a Grand Unifying Theory that works?). He no doubt does not see himself as an attractive guy, but that's not the issue - his work is.

    When you talk about finding beauty in creatures, these are not our creations and so your comparison is not really relevant. To an entomologist, cockroaches are beautiful because they work so well - not because it's pretty. For years the famous E=mc^2, although a meaningless mess to many, was seen as so beautiful and elegant because, for such a simple equation, it allowed one to extrapolate so much understanding about the way the universe works.

    The principle isn't infallible, but it is a very useful insight nonetheless for experts in their fields.

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  33. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by pilkul · · Score: 1

    You're missing the point. Nobody ever said the physical appearance of a person has anything to do with their talents, but the quote is valid in a number of other contexts. For example, the theory of relativity gained a lot of traction before solid experimental evidence appeared because physicists found it elegant. And to get back to what started this thread, in UI design, attractiveness and functionality are often much the same. A messy, cluttered interface is both ugly and hard to use. Meanwhile, an interface that highlights important information in brighter colors and larger sizes, and uses empty space effectively to structure information, is both pretty and user-friendly.

  34. Ten most used bittorrent by shiyun074238 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ten most used bittorrent
    BTJunkie
    BitTorrent.com
    Bushtorrent & Torrentreactor
    isoHunt
    Meganova
    Mininova
    The Pirate Bay
    Torrent Portal
    TorrentSpy
    Torrentz

  35. more cool torrent sites by dogfolife69 · · Score: 1

    I use www.demoniod.com alot, however this is an invite only member site. I also use www.torrentscan.com which is a search pages that search all the popular sites inculding many on the top 10.

  36. popular? by Rulke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I could be dead wrong here, but isn't popularity rated as in 'people that use it'? giving us raw numbers like what it looks like, how many torrents are hosted and how many more it can sponge of the web isn't telling me that... it just tells me how big they are.. relativly speaking He tells us why it could be popular, not if it is, he fails the headline..

  37. They Are the Same, Essentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not comparing apples and oranges. A person's body is a facade just like a website is a facade to information or services. If Elliott Smith or Stephen Hawking were in front of you, you might find them displeasing -- that is until they opened their mouth/voice emulator. Same goes for websites. Could be ugly as sin until it serves up the information/service.

    1. Re:They Are the Same, Essentially by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      Ye-eeeess, but they weren't designed, were they? We're talking about the process of design, and what makes a design beautiful. You didn't really understand anything I said after the first sentence, did you?

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    2. Re:They Are the Same, Essentially by Associate · · Score: 1

      You took the subtle insult out of my fingers.

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    3. Re:They Are the Same, Essentially by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Stephen Hawking were in front of you, you might find them displeasing"

      No disrespect meant to Mr. Hawking, but, in analogy land, this is the perfect example of brilliant code behind a very fucked up interface.

      Could he be more effective if he wasn't handicapped? I'd dare say yes. If he could walk and talk normally, he could communicate faster and more efficiently, and could more easily travel around the world to speak and to research with others.

      If the 'back end' of Mr. Hawking was not so terribly brilliant...we as the public would probaly not go as much out of our way to slow down for the less than optimal interface to him.....we'd probably look more towards a lessor equippped model internally, but, with a better interface.

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    4. Re:They Are the Same, Essentially by minusX · · Score: 1

      Oh the irony of your sig with this post.

  38. game over man ... game over ... by lorg · · Score: 0

    Now that they are "out in public" I'm sure they'll all be raided and or sued by RIAA, MPAA etc before the end of the year.

  39. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by CapnGib · · Score: 1

    ...Although the library I went to as a kid was ugly and looked like an old bomb shelter, it provided something very important to me...

    You don't READ the library. You don't even read the cover. You read the book.

    If the book is horribly laid out with gray text on black paper so it is hard to read... refer to the "quote of the moment"

    There is more to aesthetics than just being pretty.

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  40. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by maxume · · Score: 1

    He isn't suggesting that you judge a book buy it's cover, he is suggesting you judge a book buy it's contents. If the text of a book is jarring and hard to read, it is a pretty good indicator that there may be other problems with it, like with the reasoning within. Unpleasing text -> red flag.

    Re your example, Steven Hawking's body is wrong, and we partially describe this by noting that it isn't particularly aesthetically pleasing. Fortunately, his disease hasn't affected his mind, and he has been incredibly productive, and it seems strange to describe his body as the cover of his work.

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  41. Pot calling the Kettle Black by ericdano · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Slashdot calling something ugly? That is totally the Pot calling the kettle black.

    Most torrent sites seem to be designed with two things in mind. Functionality and Ads. That's it.

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  42. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by ultranova · · Score: 1

    Or, conventionally cited as "you can't judge a book by its cover."

    You can and do. That's why most books have covers that try to be interesting without causing an information overload. That second points is what most web designers seem to have a problem with, and the problem is made worse by the advert-driven nature of the Webs economics.

    That, and most web pages are designed either by kids who don't have any sense of style or old-school designers who can't get it through their heads that the Web page is not paper and can be viewed at any resolution by any browser, making exact placement impossible.

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  43. Too bad most of those arn't torrent sites. by kinglink · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many of those are torrent AGGREGATORS. The difference is simply those don't host torrents, they just allow you to search through a catalog.

    It's like calling Google Froogle (love the name) a store. It's not a store, it's a search engine FOR stores.

    I love Torrentspy, but with out sites like the pirate bay Torrentspy would be dead, same thing for ISO hunt and many of the rest. The pirate bay is the only site on there that I know that is an actual Torrent site that hosts torrents. The rest that I know of just hosts links to torrents hosted on different servers. It's a completely different system and as such it shouldn't be compared.

    Hell a posting like this is exactly what the anti-torrent community was looking for, now they can nail the top 10 torrent sites in a row (except pirate bay, I'm still doubting they will be able to take that down.)

  44. clarifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - the counting results are not comparable, as btjunkie lists a lot of torrents twice, as is easily apparent from browsing, torrentspy has a system to edit out junk-torrents, and i know from experience that isohunt lists more torrents than torrentspy

    - the review site is probably created by someone associated with btjunkie

    - a lot of responses confuse torrent trackers and torrent directories. The sites compared do not have trackers, instead they summarize torrents listed by trackers hosted by others. No single tracker would ever have that many torrents hosted, it is completely impractical. People write that shit due to narcissism.

    - Considering the amount of trojans, bait-a-sucker-for-online-poker torrents, fake advertising porn torrents, fakes, unsuccessfully hosted torrents, and mal-categorized torrents, counting the results without quality checking doesn't say much in general - even if they had done it right.

  45. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by version2 · · Score: 1

    I always thought Steve was rather lovely...and have you heard the man rap?! He has skills.

  46. Torrentspy.com changed their download links... by phungus · · Score: 1

    I really liked on Torrentspy how you could just click the little download icon next to the torrent listing and bypass having to go in to the torrent data page and clicking the download link. They took that away like a year ago and I want it back. :)

    The problem is that Firefox won't save place on the page when you click the back button (on Torrentspy anyway) and so you end up having to open up a new tab/page just to go in and click download. That sucks!

    Sorry, I've been wanting to bitch about this for a year and now I can. So there...

    I was even contemplating writing a small Firefox extension to do just that, but I only know Perl/PHP/Bash Oh well. :)

  47. A random Blog? by noretsa · · Score: 1
    First off, I dont think size of the index is a good measure of quality as many torrents can be low-quality with no seeds or simply dead.

    Also doesnt the fact that this 'study' is just some blog post give pause to the editors?

    How about the fact that the "editor's pick" is a random bt site that noone has ever heard of.

    1. Make website btjunkie.com
    2. Write blog 'comparing' it to other bt sites.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    // 3 is submit blog to slashdot

  48. Reputable by aitikin · · Score: 1

    I find it hard to believe that this is a reputable source when they abbreviate "The Pirate Bay" as TBP!

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    "Don't meddle in the affairs of a patent dragon, for thou art tasty and good with ketchup." ~ohcrapitssteve
    1. Re:Reputable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, he refers to the Pirates of Silicon Valley.

  49. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    You don't need to use Steven Hawking. You can use his ideas, which are beautiful and are generally presented in a beautiful way.

    If your webpage (which is your user interface) is really ugly and hard to use then it's wrong. Interfaces should be as simple as possible and easy to use. That makes them beautiful.

  50. I'll bet that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the most used torrent site for the slashdot crowd is puretna.com. Anyone want to place bets?

  51. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    You don't READ the library. You don't even read the cover. You read the book.

    Still, a library in a lightless, stairless basement unkempt restroom that keeps its books locked in filing cabinets tend not to its books read. The signage warning of large feline carnivores doesn't help either.

    If the book is horribly laid out with gray text on black paper so it is hard to read...

    The reason for such things is copy protection to make it difficult to impossible to make a legible photocopy. This was typical of some old computer game manuals and games that would make you look up a word at a particular location on a page of the manual to continue, or which came with spell books and maps for use in the game. And, as with DRM, it often makes it unusable for even its intended non-infringing use.

    And it seems a lot of sites revel in such design choices, perhaps thinking it keeps them on the "down low". "Nothing to see here, don't consider attempting to highlight all." That, along with putting files in passworded archives with cryptic names you're expected to solve to determine not only what is in the archive but also the password, tech lower than captchas to keep them under the radar of the copyright cartel.

    --
    Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  52. Anyone using PirateBay's Relakks darknet? by cerberusss · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    While we're at the subject of torrent sites, does anyone have experience with the new Relakks service from PirateBay?

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    8 of 13 people found this answer helpful. Did you?
  53. "According to Alexa" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuf said.

  54. All of them.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

    Have illegal content.

    Why is Slashdot encouraging piracy?

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    I am the maverick of Slashdot
    1. Re:All of them.. by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      Because, man! Down with the RIAA, man!!

    2. Re:All of them.. by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      Approximately one-fourth of accidents involve unlicensed drivers i.e driving illegally. Should we eliminate all roads in the country to prevent such abuse? Why do automakers who sell "affordable" vehicles facilitate such illegal activity?

  55. Not using it right, Joey by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    I'm "sorry"

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    My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
  56. Fitter Happier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I always thought Steve was rather lovely...and have you heard the man rap?! He has skillz.
    Yeah, I think I heard him on a Radiohead album ... OK Computer I think?

    Fitter, happier, more productive,
    comfortable,
    not drinking too much,
    regular exercise at the gym
    (3 days a week),
    getting on better with your associate employee contemporaries ,
    at ease,
    eating well
    (no more microwave dinners and saturated fats),
    a patient better driver,
    a safer car
    (baby smiling in back seat),
    sleeping well
    (no bad dreams),
    no paranoia,
    careful to all animals
    (never washing spiders down the plughole),
    keep in contact with old friends
    (enjoy a drink now and then),
    will frequently check credit at
    (moral) bank (hole in the wall),
    favors for favors,
    fond but not in love,
    charity standing orders,
    on Sundays ring road supermarket
    (no killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants),
    car wash
    (also on Sundays),
    no longer afraid of the dark or midday shadows
    nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate,
    nothing so childish - at a better pace,
    slower and more calculated,
    no chance of escape,
    now self-employed,
    concerned (but powerless),
    an empowered and informed member of society
    (pragmatism not idealism),
    will not cry in public,
    less chance of illness,
    tires that grip in the wet
    (shot of baby strapped in back seat),
    a good memory,
    still cries at a good film,
    still kisses with saliva,
    no longer empty and frantic
    like a cat
    tied to a stick,
    that's driven into
    frozen winter shit
    (the ability to laught at weakness),
    calm,
    fitter,
    healthier and more productive
    a pig
    in a cage
    on antibiotics.
    Sample looping in background:
    [This is the Panic Office, section nine-seventeen may have been hit. Activate the following procedure.]
    1. Re:Fitter Happier by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Wasn't him. T'was Thom Yorke arseing about with similar kit.

      --
      "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
  57. Why are the sites ugly? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    Well, you know the sexist old joke about ugly women. This is just the opposite side of the coin: when you deliver quality goods, you don't have to include the latest aesthetic fads.

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    Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
  58. Best site for torrents, hands down by sponge008 · · Score: 1

    www.torrentscan.com searches every site you want. I find it very useful.

  59. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by bobbagum · · Score: 1
    Flowers and curves and ponies are all well and good, but they don't necessarily make for an easy to use interface.
    And that is the mindset that gives us so many unusuable design. Pretty pictures != Good Design. Look at Apple softwares like iTunes v the horrible abomination that is skinnable WinAmp
  60. Re:Grammar Police vs. TFA by b00le · · Score: 1
    If we examine the statement from by the Grammar Police...

    Hand over your badge and your blue pencil, you're off the case.
  61. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I thought one of the main tests scientists use when evaluating a new theory is whether it 'looks right' or its 'beauty' (which could be another way of saying simplicity).
    The word you are looking for is elegance.
  62. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Plutonite · · Score: 1

    Although snakes and earth worms and spiders look ugly as hell, I still love what they do.

    Well that just makes you a weirdo, doesn't it? Snakes and spiders are officially employed in scaring the bejeezus out of people. If a snake isn't scaring some poor schmuck senseless, it's slacking on the job.

    Based on this analysis, what part of "what they do" have you fallen in love with?

  63. Re:Ugly? In What Way? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    I love it when people start the post with, basically: "I have no sense of aesthetics whatsoever" and then proceed to give aesthetic reviews of websites.

    If you don't know it, and you admit you don't know it, why the heck should anybody keep reading the post? That's just goofy as hell.

  64. What about RSS Feeds? by Sarkoon · · Score: 1

    How can you possibly compare all the major torrent sites without reviewing their RSS feeds? These days RSS feeds are essential to automate television downloading (broadcatching), and I can't believe they didn't even bother to mention them.

    The two most popular browsers (Azureus and uTorrent) both support RSS feeds. However with uTorrent you may have to filter your feeds through RSSatellite in order for feeds from mininova, torrentspy, and some others to work properly.

    1. Re:What about RSS Feeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are absolutely right! I can't beleive it myself. That was the first thing I looked to know which on was the best for RSS!

  65. Stephen Hawking by burndive · · Score: 1
    Stephen Hawking isn't very aesthetically pleasing but he's rarely wrong.

    He certainly is "wrong" physically, which is the same way in which he is not aesthetically pleasing.

    If his scientific papers were written in a sloppy, irregular, busy, and otherwise unaesthetically pleasing, it would probably be an indicator that they were not well thought out, and therefore that they were likely wrong.

    --
    ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
  66. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by burndive · · Score: 1
    Based on this analysis, what part of "what they do" have you fallen in love with?

    I would have modded you funny, but I've already commented on this thread.

    That certainly is one dead straw man, though. You killed it expertly.

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    ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
  67. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    "I always thought Steve was rather lovely...and have you heard the man rap?!"

    If you're talking about Steve Hawking, I dunno about his 'rap', but, he did have a decent part on the Division Bell album, by Pink Floyd.

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    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  68. I stubled upon BTJunky long ago, It's okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I liked about it was the Junky theme. I used to shoot up drugs as a confused teen and I think any site that has the balls to label itself a junky themed site is worth checking out. I love the syringe graphics. Hard drugs are really what makes a person cool. Shooting up drugs as a teen was one of the greatest experiences of my life. And before anybody wants to comment on that aspect of my opinion I'd just like to add this in advance --All you self-righteous puritanical assholes can just fuck off.
            Cool, glad to have that out of the way.
            But to address this article. Despite the fact that I approve of the BTjunky theme wholeheartedly, the fact is, it's not fair to compare it to a site like Pirate Bay. BtJunky is just an aggregator and it's an aggreagator for mostly private membership-only trackers that aren't accepting applications which makes it kinda worthless. If you actually dig into a search you'll find that while you appear to get thousands of pages of hits after a few pages you find that almost all the links are to private sites. So, it's kinda useless.
            Anybody who has been using torrents for any period of time will have noticed that you can usually get invites to join private trackers packaged in the downloaded files themselves in an nfo or txt file. In my experience though, the public trackers are just fine. I would just like to chime in on the chorus too and say that I wish Demonoid would let more stuff go public.

  69. Re:Ugly? In What Way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder?


    You misspelt "beer holder".
  70. None of them... by ylikone · · Score: 1

    have illegal content. Only LINKS to get illegal content. The bittorrent users themselves are the ones hosting the illegal content.

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    Meh.
  71. Pirate Bay slam? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    "Famous for their blatant disregard for intellectual property rights,"

    Um, last time i heard what are doing is legal in their country, so tell me again what hey are 'blantly disregarding'?

    Or is it ok to judge others based on your concept of right and wrong?

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  72. Well, duh... by Tipa · · Score: 1

    Well, let's see...

    This blog has exactly one entry, this comparison. The site address is btcompare.blogspot.com. It was made only to post this article and get it on news conglomeration sites like Digg and SlashDot. It mentions a BitTorrent tracking site few have heard of, but is apparently the most complete and popular one in the world.

    What are the chances this WASN'T done by someone involved with BTJunkie?

    Pretty slim.

  73. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Elliott Smith was ugly but his music was beautiful."

    Elliott Smith killed himself because when he heard his own music, he realized hit sucked. "Miss Misery"? I was miserable just LISTENING to it.

  74. I'm developer of isoHunt.com, study is flawed by AmVidia+HQ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disclaimer: I'm developer of isoHunt.com and want to point out what's missing in your review.

    1) Your reliance on claimed index size is flawed. BTJunkie's size claim looks to be non-unique torrents. To put it in perspective, isoHunt's non-unique master index is 1.7+ million torrents, while the searcheable index is the 300k+ count published (active and unique torrents).

    2) A better methodology on review search engines is to sample search results, and rank by the relevance and scope of the results. You will see the search results counts to be more inline than the claimed index sizes you used for your review.

    3) FYI, isoHunt indexes 7/9 other sites you reviewed, including BTJunkie.

    4) It would be nice to be more specific in how you rated site features. Also, speed and relevance of search should be important factors for ranking all the sites.

    5) Shameless plug: if you are talking about site features, an important one you've missed is cross-referenced trackers in all our indexed torrents. So each torrent we index is augmented by multiple trackers that would be tracking it, so you get the maximum number of peers in your torrent download. No site in your review has this ability, other than Torrentz.com (but they don't cache the torrents so you don't get any benefit for the actual download, as you get the original torrents from original sites).

    Cheers,
    IH

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    VIVA1023.com | Political Fashion.
    1. Re:I'm developer of isoHunt.com, study is flawed by AmVidia+HQ · · Score: 2, Informative

      I forgot 2 more points:

      6) BTJunkie's "mail new torrents" feature is hardly unique. isoHunt has RSS feeds for every search result and category. RSS is also available from most of the other sites, although maybe not for every search result.

      7) Torrentz.com's "search for files within torrents" is not unique either. isoHunt always searches within torrents. You should notice it from highlighted filenames in the torrents' details.

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      VIVA1023.com | Political Fashion.
  75. Great Tool by chenjeru · · Score: 2, Informative

    Scrapetorrent [http://scrapetorrent.com/] provides both a web-based and a FireFox plugin search tool for scanning TorrentSpy, PirateBay, IsoHunt and MiniNova. I find it wickedly convenient.

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    Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers
  76. i'm just glad by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    they don't list the one I use... is that selfish? YUP!

  77. Torrents.to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://torrents.to/ is my favourite - it makes it easy to quickly search several torrent search engines.

    Check torrents.to's list, it has 7/10 top sites listed, and seems to be fairly regularly updated.

  78. Index indexer by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    And this site has a fair go at searching through all the best BT sites - http://torrent-finder.com/index.wld

  79. Taco gettin uppity by drix · · Score: 1

    But why is it that so many torrent sites are so ugly?

    You mean like, as ugly as Slashdot before three months ago? :-)

    --

    I think there is a world market for maybe five personal web logs.
  80. mldonkey and dllink by tangent3 · · Score: 1

    Some of the torrent trackers use download links that does URL redirection that mldonkey isn't able to handle when the "dllink $url" command is sent to it. BTjunkie is one which gives me problem, isohunt and piratebay torrent links works fine for me. Anyone has any idea if there is a fix for this or should I simply stick to sites with links that work?

  81. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    I think that, according to the GP reasoning at least, "flowers and curves and ponies" would just end up looking ugly anyway, precisely because they are wrong, whilst a logical and flowing design would inherently be aesthetically pleasing.

  82. Good GUIs imply good code by jetmarc · · Score: 1

    > You can write very beautiful code and yet have an interface as ugly as sin...
    > likewise, you can have horrible spaghetti code lying behind a very pretty GUI.

    More often than not, the ability to create a pretty & straight-forward GUI comes with the ability to create pretty & straight-forward code.

    For a good GUI one has to abstract the task and then re-concretise it. For good code both is essential too, but for Spaghetti code abstracting is sufficient. That's why Spaghetti coders seldomly put good GUIs in front of their code.

    Software made by teams are a completely different story though.

    Marc

  83. Re:From the quote at the bottom of /. as I read th by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

    Hrm, there are two ways to go from here, either a Simpsons quote, "Lisa, the blues isn't about making yourself feel better, it's about making other people feel sad", or "At least it's not as bad as Anal Cunt making a song called "Connor Clapton committed suicide because his father's music sucked so much" or similar.