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The Future of ReiserFS
lisah writes "With the announcement of Hans Reiser's arrest this week, many people have been wondering what this will mean for his company, Namesys, and the future of his filesystem work. According to a report at Linux.com, employees at Namesys are circling their wagons and plan to continue working on the project 'in the short term.' One employee admits, 'we are rather shaken and stressed at the moment, although I cannot say we didn't see it coming.'"
maybe she should have been so enamored with GFS. How about that? Huh? How about she just stop talking about how great Google's File System is FOR ONE MINUTE? Did anyone think bout that?
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Nobody knows if he did kill his wife.
I assume they meant that they saw his arrest coming. (Since when wives disappear, husbands routinely get arrested or at the very least intensively questioned by police)
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Hans probably murdered his wife
Not sure if I'm feeding a troll here, but the man has BEEN ARRESTED! That is all!
If you have any evidence that he killed his wife, be sure to let us know. (and let the police know of course)
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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer reminded corporate customers that the Open Source model is dangerous to their business.
"I squirt a picture to you, you squirt multimedia back to me," said Ballmer. "Sure, boom boom boom, we can do that and we ~do~ do that. In fact, no one squirts better than we do. But with Open Source, you don't know whose rights you are violating when you squirt.
And worse, open-source programmers tend to have police records. I'm just sayin'."
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
The way I read it, they saw an arrest coming.
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Hi:
This makes me wonder how many other primary authors of open source projects have been arrested in the past and how this has affected their projects?
Uneek
Yeah, I know; but, http://www.mugshots.org/misc/bill-gates.html
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
And Netcraft confirms it.
Ever considered that this investigation has been going on for well over a month?
If he was the only real suspect they had, and they had no reason to assume that he hadn't done it, why wouldn't they arrest him? "We saw it coming" refers to him being arrested, not to him (possibly) killing his wife.
After the disappearence of his wife, they saw the arrest coming. (If your estranged wife disappeared you would be the number one suspect.) He did not say that he saw him killing his wife coming, or that he even thinks he did it.
The masses are the crack whores of religion.
Oh, absolutely. But most suspects don't get arrested. Suspects against whom the prosecution feels that it has enough evidence to make a strong case get arrested. Being an estranged spouse isn't usually, in and of itself, damning evidence in a murder trial. Prosecutors don't generally play the "let's just arrest everyone we can think of and see which case will stick," method.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
"I do not think that just being arrested will affect anything so long as Hans is not actually convicted," says Oleg Drokin, the former release manager at Namesys. "If he is convicted, that might cause problems for Namesys [because] it is operated solely by Hans."
:D
I don't understand. If the guy who runs the company goes away usually it's fairly easy process (albeit longwinded and boring) to get a new general manager, CEO or whatever. Namesys isn't a public company, so they could name their Thanksgiving turkey the CEO. The problem might be, if Hans acted as accountant etc. and did some funny number crunching that is going to drive them into the dirt; of course that would add to Hans' problems, too, if they were ever revealed
Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?
And now that he's been arrested, the police have described some of their evidence against him. They found her blood in his house and in his car.
We don't know if he did it - yet - but we know more than enough to say that it's most probable that he did. It is, of course, possible he didn't, and we all hope that Nina will be found alive somewhere, but the most probable outcome is that Hans Reiser has, in fact, murdered Nina.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
The loss of his wife is likely to have a profound impact upon his work and any future development. I can only hope the community and the other developers are able to step up and carry on the work.
No they don't routinely get arrested. To arrest someone you have to have evidence - this means the police have evidence that he *did* kill his wife. They're only now trying to get a confession or enough to convince a jury.
If you have any evidence that he killed his wife, be sure to let us know. (and let the police know of course)
Oh, you mean like the blood splatters that were found in HIS car that has been confirmed as HER blood?
And the fact that the rear seats are missing from said car?
And the fact that he actively attempted to hide the car from police?
And the fact that he had books on how law enforcement handles homicide investigations?
Now, it could be the case that his wife had a nose bleed or had suffered a paper cut while riding with Hans, and it could be true that the whole hiding the car things was a misunderstanding (or fearing that the missing rear seat would look bad, he actually did try to hide it in panic), and it could be true that he purchased the books knowing that he would be a likely suspect so he wanted to know what was coming. However, the above taken with other observations about his behaviour does not paint a rosey picture. Sure, he is innocent until proven guilty, but there is at least enough evidence so far to strongly implicate him. It's not one of these "heck, we have no evidence and no clue, so lets just arrest the husband" deals.
Didn't AOL PUBLISH this a few months ago?
All of which is Circumstantial Evidence, and a bit flimsy to prosecute on when no one has found a body yet.
All is fair in love and war...
Hans' wife has been missing for some time.
In these cases, spouses and ex-spouses are always the first suspects.
Regardless of whether or not Hans has done anything wrong (and the public have no evidence either way), it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that unless convincing evidence to the contrary turned up, he'd be arrested.
Well no, Hans Reiser didn't do it. A one-armed man sent by a pharmaceutical company did it.
I think the "We saw it coming" quote was not in reference to the actual crime, but in the downwardly spiralling finances the group knew about. I hadn't even seen anything about this story until the LAST slashdot article, and someone linked some public emails that showed that the group was quite aware that doom was approaching.
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I've been reading a bit, trying to get a handle on what's been happening and what may be next for the people involved in this (I trust the filesystem will be fine). Here are the most interesting parts of what I've read:
AUTHORITIES SEARCH HOME OF MISSING WOMAN'S HUSBAND
ATTORNEY: HANS REISER 'DISTRUSTFUL' OF OAKLAND POLICE
UPDATE: POLICE CHARGE HANS REISER WITH MURDER
Missing woman's blood found in husband's house
All in all, it's very disturbing. I get the impression at least one of the people involved in this is completely insane.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
They forgot to mention the most important piece of evidence in their arsenal: They reviewed the AOL search records that were released and identified record #456365 as likely to belong to Reiser, and noted many suspicious searches such as "I hate Nina Reiser" and "how to kill Nina Reiser without getting caught".
The most offensive part of this evidence of course is that Hans Reiser uses AOL Search....
Here's a link to some of the media coverage from last month:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id= 4558883
The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Peter Drucker.
The company and the project should continue to run. A persons "personal life" should not be an excuse until the moment he/she is being missed in the project beyond reasonable.
Onda Technology Institute
The alternate hypothosis is they have no idea what happened and are hoping for a confession.
The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are so strange that I wouldn't assume anything.
Or think they do. Or hope they do. Or just don't care if they do. The police is not exactly an organization which is known for its infallibility.
There was a news story that Reiser was a suspect several weeks ago.
In the office meeting 3 weeks ago, we joked about the advantages of switching to Reiser FS, now that Reiser was going to jail. He'll have plenty of time to work on it, after all.
what? are people hardware or something?
Why doesn't the police use Hans' Journal to recover his lost wife?
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
My point is, if you'd want to kill your wife, you'd obtain these books BEFORE you kill your wife, study them thoroughly for a long time and then despose them. Hans Reiser is not stupid. Of course it is all possible that if she were murdered by him, it was an impulse murder. Who knows. We have no evidence and facts.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
You sure about that? The US government is big enough now (*) to detain innocent people indefinitely without due process. As we speak, there are hundreds (thousands?) of people sitting in jail who haven't been formally charged with anything. I don't know the first thing about this particular case, but it seems pretty clear to me that due process is gone.
(*) This isn't the result of terrorism or any one particular event; it is simply the inevitable consequence of government expanding its power year after year. (The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.
that a Filesystem designer actually had a wife.
"I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability."-Oscar Wilde
You've been watching way too much CSI if you think this evidence isn't enough to take a case to trial. Not every murder case ends with the forensic investigators finding a tiny shard of a unique knife mande only once in history by the accused's next door neighbor which is metallically linked to the handle of a knife found in a dumpster with the accused fingerprints on it nearby some ashes that have remnants of the victims DNS embedded in the one tooth that survived the burning process etcetcetcetc.
In many situations, the blood in his car *by itself* would be enough for a DA to decide to try the case. People often place way too much import on the idea of "circumstantial evidence"... it's still evidence. Given enough of it, a good prosecutor can employ a strategy of diminishing probabilities: one single piece of evidence may only narrow down the potential suspect list to a few thousand... but each additional piece of evidence narrows the field further and further until the number of people which fit *all* of the evidence is increasingly small, and the likelihood that someone other than the accused is guilty becomes very small.
As for not having a body, that is certainly a problem when attempting to prove murder (it's one more reasonable doubt the defense can introduce).. but again, the presence of blood, especially if there turns out to be a large quantity of it, has been used many times in the past to infer murder in the absence of a body.
--K
If he did kill his wife, which is nowhere near certain, and then subsequently chopped up the body, I bet the pieces are of manageable size and spread evenly throughout a wooded area for easy, order-N retrieval...
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
I read this sentence like 3 times, each of them failing to get any information from it. Can someone help me?
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
No you don't. Police can arrest anyone at any time. They do have to eventually charge you with something or release you (at least sometimes they do. The principle is Habeas corpus, which our government has spent the last 5 years undermining).
I can understand why you'd want to think this way. People like to believe that anyone the government goes after must have somehow deserved it. Its a shame that reality doesn't allways work that way.
I agree. I think people forget that the standard is "Beyond reasonable doubt", not "Mathematically proven to be true."
Fiction is a pretty awful thing to judge standards of evidence from. How many people have watched dramatisations of old Agatha Christie novels (Poirot, etc) and wondered how the hell the "evidence" given could possibly be seen as enough (it's convenient that her murderers always make a full confession once the fact that they could have been the only person with access to the knife that night because they were the only person aware that it was in an unlocked bathroom on the floor.) We have that, and then we have CSI. Real police work seems to be rather more, well, "real world", than that.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Thanks. This is where I made my quotation from.
You're right. The press in the UK are very limited in how they can report before and during criminal cases -- the journalists must take extreme care to avoid any "substantial risk" that the fairness of a jury could be "seriously prejudiced" as a result. Otherwise the judge can find them guilty of contempt of court, and send them to jail. So pre-trial reports on UK cases tend to be quite limited, both as to facts and even more so as to speculation, and presented in extreme neutral language.
On the other hand in the States what the journalists have more or less a free hand to slant things how they want, both before and during the case -- this is seen as part of their free speech, protected by the First Amendment. So in the U.S. there is a tendency for both sides to go very public, and for both the defence and the prosecution (and the police) to try to spin their point of view.
Some BBC stories discussing the difference:
* Q&A about journalists and contempt -- following the 2001 discharge of a jury after a "prejudicial" newspaper article, in the case of 2 Leeds footballers accused of attacking a student.
* UK silence over bombings deafens -- Why much more information about the 2005 London bombings came from the NYPD than the Met.
* Media coverage and the 2005 Michael Jackson trial.
Anyone else see the irony here?
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." --Senator Carl Schurz (1872)
Yes. It's called "A Trial by Public Jury" and you can bet your ass that the police in this stupid country leverage this to every benefit they can get from it.
In the US, you are tried by a jury of your 'peers'... Which is hardly the case. A nuclear scientist can be tried by janitors and bus drivers--but more likely, it's by anybody stupid enough not to be able to get out of jury duty.
The police is not exactly an organization which is known for its infallibility.
Man, isn't that the truth - they totally sucked after Sting left...
Thank you.
XML causes global warming.
At least they made an arrest. Where I live, if you're a cop you can kill someone and get away with it. Just check my sig.
I have. What a beautiful place, espcially when compared to any place that the pieces-of-shit who are being held there have visited. Have you heard the true story of their treatment? Apparently not...you know, the gaining of weight from an actual normal diet, the two hours (or more) a day that the bastards are allowed for recess (seriously...f'in recess!), the complete kissing of their asses by everyone there even when they are attacking our soldiers with poo and anything else they can find, the free Qorans and prayer rugs provided to them (not free, really...American taxpayers are providing them), and...well the ridiculous list goes on and on.
Give me a break with that bullshit. We got it already - you hate Bush...you don't HAVE to allow your hatred for our President to absolutely warp your small mind.
Oh, you mean like the blood splatters that were found in HIS car that has been confirmed as HER blood?
And the fact that the rear seats are missing from said car?
And the fact that he actively attempted to hide the car from police?
And the fact that he had books on how law enforcement handles homicide investigations?
The first three facts are pretty incriminating, but the books are horrible evidence.
His wife was missing. They were in the process of a messy divorce. Even if he were innocent, he would realize that he was a likely suspect. In that situation, it makes perfect sense to get some books and learn about the process. (Note: he acquired the books a few days after his wife went missing.)
I don't see that the books are relevant at all.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
Here in the US we just think its good public policy to have the police declare WHY they have charged someone with a crime BEFORE the trial instead of AFTERWARDS so that if anyone knows anything they can come forward DURING the trial to reveal the truth. And make no mistake, US police do withhold certain details from the public so they can verify that certain people who "confess" aren't just making it up. But from the way you describe the UK criminal justice system the police can just arrest anyone they want and not have to declare why until the person has already been convicted. Is my interpretation correct because if it is that sounds like a dictatorship, not a democracy.
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
Oh please.
While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum.
However, on his dancing around the torture issue, it is clear that we are torturing people somewhere in the world if not there. As an *American* that really pisses me off- we are supposed to the be the shining light on the hill.
Likewise, there is *pretty clear* evidence that a lot of innocent people got swept up in guantanamo (up to 10%) and their lives have been destroyed and when they got out they *reported* being tortured and observing torture. Yes 90% are probably scum bags but police and other people with authority regularly put innocent people to death because their bias is exactly 100% reversed from what it should be. It should be "We don't want to destroy even one innocent person" instead of "We don't want even one guilty person to get away".
We probably *are* kissing their asses and giving them qurans when we are not torturing them. Which is sort of twisted when you think about it. Oh yea- and there is not another country on earth outside of maybe iceland and canada? that hasn't done the same or worse to their own secret prisoners.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
I think there's truth there.
Working intensly on one single thing (esp. software) just fucks your brain eventually.
Your partner, kids, family and friends should be the biggest kick in your life, not some stupid pile of fucking code.
I used to be really proud to be a software designer, thinking software apps were a big boon to mankind. The more I look around me, the more I think that computer tech (and particularly the web) is isolating and dehumanising us all.
The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.
So the ballpart was achieved in few months during Bush that were prior to 9/11? I take it you meant post-Bush (in which case I agree) or pre-9/11 (in which case I don't).. which is it?
Just like they didn't hold Bernie S. (old 2600 site) without bail or hearing for suspicion of selling drugs because he was selling radio crystals. Right?
Oh. And they managed to top it off by throwing him on the stand while he was very ill and unable to defend himself. Obviously everyone simply "gets what's coming to them". Best to let that whole "burden of proof" and "innocent until *found* guilty" thing just slide.
Plus he's a fairly nice guy. Which makes it even worse.You're reading Slashdot. Of course you like Linux and pc hardware
For those who don't live out here the 'saw it coming' part *should* have been refering to the month long drama that has preceded this. Reiser going in to talk to police repeatedly, then refusing to cooperate, camera crews chasing him around, interview with his (or her?) mother. It's the full three ring treatment really but I don't know that it's gone into full circus mode nationally yet.
Davo -- Free speech, free software, AND free beer.
No you don't. Police can arrest anyone at any time.
As as mattter of law, this is simply not true.
"PROBABLE CAUSE - A reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime. The test the court...employs to determine whether probable cause existed for purposes of arrest is whether facts and circumstances within the officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime. U.S. v. Puerta, 982 F.2d 1297, 1300 (9th Cir. 1992)." Legal Definition of Probable Cause
distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien
Would that the Bushies could! There have been, I believe, two US citizens in Guantanomo, and Bush has made it crystal clear that he thinks he has the power to send US citizens there without being hindered by the courts or Congress or even common decency. Independent reports suggest that most of the Guantanomo prisoners are innocents picked up either because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because someone with a personal grudge dropped anonymous hints. Such is to be expected when the process of law is denied.
Besides which, the only logical rationale for keeping the prisoners there, out of touch with any decent legal system to protect the innocent, is to torture information out of them or to keep them out of circulation. Torture has been shown to produce unreliable info; the only other reason is to exact revenge, which is not a particularly noble goal, certainly not mine, and a sorry goal for any government. As for keeping them out of circulation, a standard legal process would serve just as well.
Guantanomo has no purpose other than to make the Bushies look like they are doing something useful.
Infuriate left and right
e360, you have no chance of murdering Spamhaus and getting away with it - the police can find remnants of the DNS now!
Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need is periodic comments over the next year as the trial progresses from readers who aren't interested in the matter and feel a need to bother other readers with that sentiment. It is not like anyone is forced to read these threads, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.
Thank you.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
to put faces to names
hans reiser
nina reiser
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Er, no - here in the UK we think its a good idea if the evidence is presented to the public at a thing called a trial with a judge and a jury and a prosecution and a defense and due process and stuff. Its a bit like what you have in the US, but with more fancy dress.
We just think its a good idea if all the potential jurors haven't already seen the TV miniseries with the girl they quite fancied from "Lost" as the victim and that British guy who always plays the baddie in superhero films as the accused.
And, yes, arrests are reported, the charges are reported, and police do call for evidence - there are just rules to stop the media (mis)reporting the unchallenged case for the prosecution before the trial.
Of course, the guv'ment wants to bend the rules for spies, terrorists etc. but the UK is hardly alone in that, and they haven't entirely had it their own way.
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
Currently, I own a car that:
Has spots of my wife's blood in it. I know this, because she's a diabetic and occasionally she gets drops of blood in weird places.
The front AND back seats are missing because the car is being renovated.
The car is 2 states away from me, under a tarp, I suppose you could say it is "hidden from local police".
I sure hope my wife comes home tonight from her job, or I'll probably get picked up for her murder in the not too distant future.
Working intensly on one single thing (esp. software) just fucks your brain eventually. I don't agree. I think you're confusing cause and effect; that is, I think some people are drawn to occupations or hobbies where they focus intensely on one subject, because that's what appeals to them. Your partner, kids, family and friends should be the biggest kick in your life, not some stupid pile of fucking code. Why? I see this sentiment a lot on /., and as far as I'm concerned statements like this are just another way of saying "Everyone should do what *I* think is right instead of following their own inclinations."
When you would no longer be surprised to hear that the boss has been arrested on suspicion of murder, it's time to quit.
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There is no fucking difference.
Both citizens and non-citizens, even enemy combatants, are human beings.
The Bill of Rights is supposed to be a partial list of rights which are supposed to be accorded to all humans.
If you are willing to compromise your principles in certain situations, you don't have principles.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum."
The thing that bothers me most is that people are willing to accept that "many" of the people there are scum. How do you know? Honestly how does anybody know unless they are trusting the president 100%. He is the only arbiter, he points to a picture or a list of people, utters the phrase "bad men" and it's a done deal. No courts, no trials, no evidence, no nothing. The president says so and therefore it must be so.
evil is as evil does
Unless it was a crime of passion, and he was hoping to cover it up after the fact.
The big change came during the Civil War. Before the war started, the Federal government employed about 80,000 civilians. Of those, 50,000 worked for the Post Office.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
What a jackass! What were they supposed to do - arrest him before she was officially declared missing? And although I have no information about the supposed crime, wouldn't an estranged husband almost automatically be the most likely suspect in her disappearance?
I don't have anything against Reiser. However, while this has to be incredibly frustrating for him (assuming he truly is innocent), I don't see what police course of action would have been more justified.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
BTW: California Highway Patrol is CHiPs, not DHCP.
Don't people in prison generally have at least some free time? Time to keep a journal, or write a book? Or read a book?
What about letters?
This is not the point.
Contrary to popular belief, no healthy programmer spends 100% of their free time coding. They go out for beer, or for a walk. They do things online other than work on their own project.
Give Hans a computer and an Internet connection. Filter the hell out of that connection -- email only, and only on the reiserfs lists. Web restricted to distro updates and kernel.org. Is that really so different than giving him a pen and some paper and letting him write a book?
It certainly won't mean he isn't punished. And punishment isn't always the real point of prison -- if he gets life, it means he won't be able to kill again. Internet connections won't change that.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
...remnants of the victims DNS embedded in...
You know you're a geek when you mistype DNA as DNS.