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The Future of ReiserFS
lisah writes "With the announcement of Hans Reiser's arrest this week, many people have been wondering what this will mean for his company, Namesys, and the future of his filesystem work. According to a report at Linux.com, employees at Namesys are circling their wagons and plan to continue working on the project 'in the short term.' One employee admits, 'we are rather shaken and stressed at the moment, although I cannot say we didn't see it coming.'"
"I can't say I didn't see it comming"...
Onda Technology Institute
maybe she should have been so enamored with GFS. How about that? Huh? How about she just stop talking about how great Google's File System is FOR ONE MINUTE? Did anyone think bout that?
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Nobody knows if he did kill his wife.
I assume they meant that they saw his arrest coming. (Since when wives disappear, husbands routinely get arrested or at the very least intensively questioned by police)
-- MartinG To mail me: echo kewyjlcxyzvjfxbqwh | tr bcefhjklqvwxyz
Your boss is arrested for killing his wife, and nobody in the office is surprised? You know, I've worked in some pretty annoying companies before, but I've never been able to say that. Nor would I want to. If anyone else is in the same position, I strongly suggest that you get off your ass and jump ship. Low standards is one thing, but c'mon guys. I don't care how sweet their after-hours-pizza-reimbursement policy is, that's just fucked up.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
Hans probably murdered his wife
Not sure if I'm feeding a troll here, but the man has BEEN ARRESTED! That is all!
If you have any evidence that he killed his wife, be sure to let us know. (and let the police know of course)
-- MartinG To mail me: echo kewyjlcxyzvjfxbqwh | tr bcefhjklqvwxyz
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer reminded corporate customers that the Open Source model is dangerous to their business.
"I squirt a picture to you, you squirt multimedia back to me," said Ballmer. "Sure, boom boom boom, we can do that and we ~do~ do that. In fact, no one squirts better than we do. But with Open Source, you don't know whose rights you are violating when you squirt.
And worse, open-source programmers tend to have police records. I'm just sayin'."
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
The way I read it, they saw an arrest coming.
-- MartinG To mail me: echo kewyjlcxyzvjfxbqwh | tr bcefhjklqvwxyz
Hi:
This makes me wonder how many other primary authors of open source projects have been arrested in the past and how this has affected their projects?
Uneek
Yeah, I know; but, http://www.mugshots.org/misc/bill-gates.html
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
And Netcraft confirms it.
Nobody knows if he did kill his wife.
Well, one person most likely knows for certain...
"I do not think that just being arrested will affect anything so long as Hans is not actually convicted," says Oleg Drokin, the former release manager at Namesys. "If he is convicted, that might cause problems for Namesys [because] it is operated solely by Hans."
:D
I don't understand. If the guy who runs the company goes away usually it's fairly easy process (albeit longwinded and boring) to get a new general manager, CEO or whatever. Namesys isn't a public company, so they could name their Thanksgiving turkey the CEO. The problem might be, if Hans acted as accountant etc. and did some funny number crunching that is going to drive them into the dirt; of course that would add to Hans' problems, too, if they were ever revealed
Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?
And now that he's been arrested, the police have described some of their evidence against him. They found her blood in his house and in his car.
We don't know if he did it - yet - but we know more than enough to say that it's most probable that he did. It is, of course, possible he didn't, and we all hope that Nina will be found alive somewhere, but the most probable outcome is that Hans Reiser has, in fact, murdered Nina.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
The loss of his wife is likely to have a profound impact upon his work and any future development. I can only hope the community and the other developers are able to step up and carry on the work.
No they don't routinely get arrested. To arrest someone you have to have evidence - this means the police have evidence that he *did* kill his wife. They're only now trying to get a confession or enough to convince a jury.
Can't kill them.
Last I had heard though, she was missing, and the evidence was only circumstantial. Have they found a body?
Karma: Bad. (As in Good?)
If you have any evidence that he killed his wife, be sure to let us know. (and let the police know of course)
Oh, you mean like the blood splatters that were found in HIS car that has been confirmed as HER blood?
And the fact that the rear seats are missing from said car?
And the fact that he actively attempted to hide the car from police?
And the fact that he had books on how law enforcement handles homicide investigations?
Now, it could be the case that his wife had a nose bleed or had suffered a paper cut while riding with Hans, and it could be true that the whole hiding the car things was a misunderstanding (or fearing that the missing rear seat would look bad, he actually did try to hide it in panic), and it could be true that he purchased the books knowing that he would be a likely suspect so he wanted to know what was coming. However, the above taken with other observations about his behaviour does not paint a rosey picture. Sure, he is innocent until proven guilty, but there is at least enough evidence so far to strongly implicate him. It's not one of these "heck, we have no evidence and no clue, so lets just arrest the husband" deals.
Didn't AOL PUBLISH this a few months ago?
All of which is Circumstantial Evidence, and a bit flimsy to prosecute on when no one has found a body yet.
All is fair in love and war...
Well no, Hans Reiser didn't do it. A one-armed man sent by a pharmaceutical company did it.
Wearing that shirt, alone, should be an arrestable offense.
I think the "We saw it coming" quote was not in reference to the actual crime, but in the downwardly spiralling finances the group knew about. I hadn't even seen anything about this story until the LAST slashdot article, and someone linked some public emails that showed that the group was quite aware that doom was approaching.
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I've been reading a bit, trying to get a handle on what's been happening and what may be next for the people involved in this (I trust the filesystem will be fine). Here are the most interesting parts of what I've read:
AUTHORITIES SEARCH HOME OF MISSING WOMAN'S HUSBAND
ATTORNEY: HANS REISER 'DISTRUSTFUL' OF OAKLAND POLICE
UPDATE: POLICE CHARGE HANS REISER WITH MURDER
Missing woman's blood found in husband's house
All in all, it's very disturbing. I get the impression at least one of the people involved in this is completely insane.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
They forgot to mention the most important piece of evidence in their arsenal: They reviewed the AOL search records that were released and identified record #456365 as likely to belong to Reiser, and noted many suspicious searches such as "I hate Nina Reiser" and "how to kill Nina Reiser without getting caught".
The most offensive part of this evidence of course is that Hans Reiser uses AOL Search....
Here's a link to some of the media coverage from last month:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id= 4558883
The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Peter Drucker.
I wonder if he was the one who was doing the searching on AOL on how to kill his wife.
Anon
He must have been stoned or something, because judging by that enormous goofy grin, he is having waaay too much fun for someone who had just been arrested.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Perhaps someone can explain how homocide cases in the US go? Here in the UK it's unusual for the police to make blatant press conferences announcing the evidence they have against a suspect and why it must point to him being guilty, but in the US it seems commonplace. Often the public in the UK don't find out about crucial evidence until the trials are over. The US police try the suspect in front of the media before going to court. Are they trying to have public opinion sway the court process in their favour?
The company and the project should continue to run. A persons "personal life" should not be an excuse until the moment he/she is being missed in the project beyond reasonable.
Onda Technology Institute
The alternate hypothosis is they have no idea what happened and are hoping for a confession.
The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are so strange that I wouldn't assume anything.
Or think they do. Or hope they do. Or just don't care if they do. The police is not exactly an organization which is known for its infallibility.
There was a news story that Reiser was a suspect several weeks ago.
In the office meeting 3 weeks ago, we joked about the advantages of switching to Reiser FS, now that Reiser was going to jail. He'll have plenty of time to work on it, after all.
Tell that to Scott Peterson.
But wait, he *did* kill his wife, didn't he?
At least a Jury said so.
But *he* was tried on circumstantial evidence, too.
what? are people hardware or something?
Why doesn't the police use Hans' Journal to recover his lost wife?
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
My point is, if you'd want to kill your wife, you'd obtain these books BEFORE you kill your wife, study them thoroughly for a long time and then despose them. Hans Reiser is not stupid. Of course it is all possible that if she were murdered by him, it was an impulse murder. Who knows. We have no evidence and facts.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
You sure about that? The US government is big enough now (*) to detain innocent people indefinitely without due process. As we speak, there are hundreds (thousands?) of people sitting in jail who haven't been formally charged with anything. I don't know the first thing about this particular case, but it seems pretty clear to me that due process is gone.
(*) This isn't the result of terrorism or any one particular event; it is simply the inevitable consequence of government expanding its power year after year. (The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.
that a Filesystem designer actually had a wife.
"I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability."-Oscar Wilde
You've been watching way too much CSI if you think this evidence isn't enough to take a case to trial. Not every murder case ends with the forensic investigators finding a tiny shard of a unique knife mande only once in history by the accused's next door neighbor which is metallically linked to the handle of a knife found in a dumpster with the accused fingerprints on it nearby some ashes that have remnants of the victims DNS embedded in the one tooth that survived the burning process etcetcetcetc.
In many situations, the blood in his car *by itself* would be enough for a DA to decide to try the case. People often place way too much import on the idea of "circumstantial evidence"... it's still evidence. Given enough of it, a good prosecutor can employ a strategy of diminishing probabilities: one single piece of evidence may only narrow down the potential suspect list to a few thousand... but each additional piece of evidence narrows the field further and further until the number of people which fit *all* of the evidence is increasingly small, and the likelihood that someone other than the accused is guilty becomes very small.
As for not having a body, that is certainly a problem when attempting to prove murder (it's one more reasonable doubt the defense can introduce).. but again, the presence of blood, especially if there turns out to be a large quantity of it, has been used many times in the past to infer murder in the absence of a body.
--K
If he did kill his wife, which is nowhere near certain, and then subsequently chopped up the body, I bet the pieces are of manageable size and spread evenly throughout a wooded area for easy, order-N retrieval...
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
they found blood in his car
Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay?
Keep open minded - but not that open your brain falls out...
I read this sentence like 3 times, each of them failing to get any information from it. Can someone help me?
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
Do prisons ever have internet connections? I'm being completely serious.
-- Give me ambiguity or give me something else!
No you don't. Police can arrest anyone at any time. They do have to eventually charge you with something or release you (at least sometimes they do. The principle is Habeas corpus, which our government has spent the last 5 years undermining).
I can understand why you'd want to think this way. People like to believe that anyone the government goes after must have somehow deserved it. Its a shame that reality doesn't allways work that way.
I agree. I think people forget that the standard is "Beyond reasonable doubt", not "Mathematically proven to be true."
Fiction is a pretty awful thing to judge standards of evidence from. How many people have watched dramatisations of old Agatha Christie novels (Poirot, etc) and wondered how the hell the "evidence" given could possibly be seen as enough (it's convenient that her murderers always make a full confession once the fact that they could have been the only person with access to the knife that night because they were the only person aware that it was in an unlocked bathroom on the floor.) We have that, and then we have CSI. Real police work seems to be rather more, well, "real world", than that.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
GP was quoting from the original LKML post.
Asshat.
Rumor has it that OJ Simpson has volunteered to help Hans in his search for the real killers.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
Thanks. This is where I made my quotation from.
Um. It's not like it's a stranger. "They found blood" is not in itself that great.
Anyone else see the irony here?
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." --Senator Carl Schurz (1872)
The police is not exactly an organization which is known for its infallibility.
Man, isn't that the truth - they totally sucked after Sting left...
Thank you.
XML causes global warming.
At least they made an arrest. Where I live, if you're a cop you can kill someone and get away with it. Just check my sig.
You didn't read the article pointed by the parent. There also the same evidence existed. Apparently Blood can be found due to many reasons if the person has used your car for some times. They should try to find out how old that blood is. But I guess that is not possible. It is only possible to check who's blood it is.
If the Car blood can be problematic then of course the house blood could also be problematic.
Free Hans!
You say you want a revolution....
For. Crying. Out. Loud.
Will you wake up and grasp the distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien (I presume) of the US?
The relentless nanny-state onslaught has produced such a bunch of slack-jawed granola-heads as to be an utter embarrassment.
Go back to college, listen to your Steve Miller Band, and keep smoking that stuff until you become intellectually indistinguishable from that plant.
</rant>
I have. What a beautiful place, espcially when compared to any place that the pieces-of-shit who are being held there have visited. Have you heard the true story of their treatment? Apparently not...you know, the gaining of weight from an actual normal diet, the two hours (or more) a day that the bastards are allowed for recess (seriously...f'in recess!), the complete kissing of their asses by everyone there even when they are attacking our soldiers with poo and anything else they can find, the free Qorans and prayer rugs provided to them (not free, really...American taxpayers are providing them), and...well the ridiculous list goes on and on.
Give me a break with that bullshit. We got it already - you hate Bush...you don't HAVE to allow your hatred for our President to absolutely warp your small mind.
I didn't have any problems.
Result:
Steve Ballmer
3,510,000 results
Hans Reiser
3,720,000 results
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
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Lots of people these days forget that there is life outside of coding. Apps could move to the web - pictures, movies, whatever could enter your computer - but your kids and wife can't. Go on and camp, cook barbecue go to the beach, teach yer kids to read, make love to your mate, eh
LIVE
This is really a tragedy of the dehumanization and digitalization of human relations.
Oh, you mean like the blood splatters that were found in HIS car that has been confirmed as HER blood?
And the fact that the rear seats are missing from said car?
And the fact that he actively attempted to hide the car from police?
And the fact that he had books on how law enforcement handles homicide investigations?
The first three facts are pretty incriminating, but the books are horrible evidence.
His wife was missing. They were in the process of a messy divorce. Even if he were innocent, he would realize that he was a likely suspect. In that situation, it makes perfect sense to get some books and learn about the process. (Note: he acquired the books a few days after his wife went missing.)
I don't see that the books are relevant at all.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
The missing car seat is a bit odd. Plus buying books a couple days after to read about how police investigate crimes. Until they have a body though, it's going to be hard to prove a murder.
You should put quotes around the names (in that case, the result is the opposite).
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?
Not many people think about it, but in any software project (open or close) the most important thing is leadership. Good leaders are hard to come by, and they aren't replaced by thousands of people who can pick up work.
AccountKiller
Oh please.
While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum.
However, on his dancing around the torture issue, it is clear that we are torturing people somewhere in the world if not there. As an *American* that really pisses me off- we are supposed to the be the shining light on the hill.
Likewise, there is *pretty clear* evidence that a lot of innocent people got swept up in guantanamo (up to 10%) and their lives have been destroyed and when they got out they *reported* being tortured and observing torture. Yes 90% are probably scum bags but police and other people with authority regularly put innocent people to death because their bias is exactly 100% reversed from what it should be. It should be "We don't want to destroy even one innocent person" instead of "We don't want even one guilty person to get away".
We probably *are* kissing their asses and giving them qurans when we are not torturing them. Which is sort of twisted when you think about it. Oh yea- and there is not another country on earth outside of maybe iceland and canada? that hasn't done the same or worse to their own secret prisoners.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Microsoft CEOs also have criminal records... Bill Gates' Mugshot
This is the sort of quality control and fact-checking that a real editor would be responsible for doing -- to make sure that a quote, taken out of context, doesn't give the exact opposite impression of its intention.
Usually, the only place you get away with that is partisan political hackery and other arenas where winning an argument is more important that presenting facts. Of course, here, I believe Hanlon's Razor applies.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
The fact that he has been arrested is evidence. It's not evidence that would stand up in court, obviously. But it is evidence in the sense used in ordinary speech. I'll put money on there being a significant correlation between people being arrested and people being convicted. To deny that would be silly, it would mean that arresting peole served no purpose and we might as well put randomly selected people on trial. So if there is such a correlation, someone's arrest is most definitely evidence that they have committed a crime. Whether or not someone who has been arrested probably committed the crime is a different matter. That would require scrutinizing arrest and conviction records. But only an insane person would deny any correlation whatsoever.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.
So the ballpart was achieved in few months during Bush that were prior to 9/11? I take it you meant post-Bush (in which case I agree) or pre-9/11 (in which case I don't).. which is it?
THe evidence here is probably only the fact that he is the last person to be seen with her and actually only known to the police with motives to kill her (because of divorce dispute). I however have doubts that he is the murderer as it would be very stupid of him to do that and he's more than intelligent enough to realise that he w'd be the prime suspect (however he IS a tough personality, so it is possible). Statistics will probably say that in 80%-90% of cases missing/killed wife is a crime commited by husband, and inspectors are aware of that.
Although there is a little possibility that his wife is alive (though I hope she is). In case of a tragedy I hope they'll at least find her body so poor kids can know her fate.
I know this is probably kind of mean to say, but someone has to say it...
:)
I suspect they arent going to find anything on his HD. Just a guess....
I would argue that's the coolest Bill Gates has ever looked. It was the 70's after all!
Just like they didn't hold Bernie S. (old 2600 site) without bail or hearing for suspicion of selling drugs because he was selling radio crystals. Right?
Oh. And they managed to top it off by throwing him on the stand while he was very ill and unable to defend himself. Obviously everyone simply "gets what's coming to them". Best to let that whole "burden of proof" and "innocent until *found* guilty" thing just slide.
Plus he's a fairly nice guy. Which makes it even worse.You're reading Slashdot. Of course you like Linux and pc hardware
How is the parent a troll?
http://outcampaign.org/
For those who don't live out here the 'saw it coming' part *should* have been refering to the month long drama that has preceded this. Reiser going in to talk to police repeatedly, then refusing to cooperate, camera crews chasing him around, interview with his (or her?) mother. It's the full three ring treatment really but I don't know that it's gone into full circus mode nationally yet.
Davo -- Free speech, free software, AND free beer.
From the ReiserFS Wikipedia entry: "Hans Reiser ... is referred to as the project's Benevolent Dictator for Life."
The "benevolent" bit may need rethinking if the guy's convicted...
No you don't. Police can arrest anyone at any time.
As as mattter of law, this is simply not true.
"PROBABLE CAUSE - A reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime. The test the court...employs to determine whether probable cause existed for purposes of arrest is whether facts and circumstances within the officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime. U.S. v. Puerta, 982 F.2d 1297, 1300 (9th Cir. 1992)." Legal Definition of Probable Cause
No, that's not circumstantial evidence. It's physical evidence. They don't need a body to prosecute, and I don't see any red flags regarding police conduct in the reports I've read.
What an awful case. It's by no mean certain Hans is guilty, but there sure appears to be sufficient evidence to try him. Hopefully, the truth will become apparent.
One more thing: I see the cleverness in some of the jokes in this thread, and I'm no prude. But joking about chopping up this woman (I get it, really) seems pretty damn cold. There's nothing but sadness here for all parties.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
Ah, thanks for citing the source.
I killed her. I did it. There. Happy?
Have you heard the true story of their treatment?
Nope. Doesn't look like you have either.
"The last thing I want to do is deal with a bunch of people who want something."
Major Major
I agree that Brooklyn, NY is a piece of shit, but Jose Padilla quite likes it, and Chicago's not as bad as you're saying.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
No, that is to convict someone (you know, the stuff they do on court-TV).
To arrest someone, the person must be a suspect in a crime, and there must be a danger of evidence (such as the suspect) disappearing unless the suspect is arrested (you know, the stuff they do in CSI).
No, it means the police suspects he *might* have killed his wife, or that he in some other way, have been involved in her sudden disappearance.
More likely, they are trying to get at least enough evidence to prosecute against him. Otherwise they would have to release him before the investigation was finished. Getting enough evidence to convince a jury is probably more than just a few months away...
distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien
Would that the Bushies could! There have been, I believe, two US citizens in Guantanomo, and Bush has made it crystal clear that he thinks he has the power to send US citizens there without being hindered by the courts or Congress or even common decency. Independent reports suggest that most of the Guantanomo prisoners are innocents picked up either because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because someone with a personal grudge dropped anonymous hints. Such is to be expected when the process of law is denied.
Besides which, the only logical rationale for keeping the prisoners there, out of touch with any decent legal system to protect the innocent, is to torture information out of them or to keep them out of circulation. Torture has been shown to produce unreliable info; the only other reason is to exact revenge, which is not a particularly noble goal, certainly not mine, and a sorry goal for any government. As for keeping them out of circulation, a standard legal process would serve just as well.
Guantanomo has no purpose other than to make the Bushies look like they are doing something useful.
Infuriate left and right
e360, you have no chance of murdering Spamhaus and getting away with it - the police can find remnants of the DNS now!
Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need is periodic comments over the next year as the trial progresses from readers who aren't interested in the matter and feel a need to bother other readers with that sentiment. It is not like anyone is forced to read these threads, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.
Thank you.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
They say they have "enough" circumstantial evendence to make an arrest. That's a long way from what you need to get a conviction.
to put faces to names
hans reiser
nina reiser
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
lol, only a geek needs a manual on how the cops handle homocide investigations...
:)
watch them find a manual for "money laundering"
If this was premeditated murder, he would have bought, read and disposed of them before the deed. He bought them after, probably out of (justified) curiosity to see what might happen. He's no idiot, and knows that police might (wrongfully?) suspect him after the disappearance.
OK, bucky, I know you're trolling, but I'll bite:
Yes, it's just a laugh a minute in Gitmo. Life in the 6x6 chainlink fence kennel is just a ball. No problem, you get 2 hours a day to stretch your legs. And the poor American taxpayer, imagine having to provide a rug! Of course, it's no fucking problem coughing up $2 BILLION a week for a fucking retarded worse-than-useless war that can have no positive outcome for anyone. That has killed 3000 US soldiers and maimed a hell of a lot more. That has destroyed whatever moral highground the US still had, and has served to galvanize hatred for the US all over the world.
Let's not forget that most of these pampered pets (or "pieces of shit" - whatever) at Gitmo have had no charges brought against them, and were simply sold to "Coalition" forces for the bounty. We damn well better feed 'em and give 'em a rug. The whole thing is a shame and disgrace to our country.
I don't know if you were serious, but to the extent that you were, you are no patriot. You are, in fact, a fact-twisting, lying, sack of shit asshole. Just like your neocon buddies in Washington.
Give us all a break with your bullshit. We got it already - you love Bush...you don't HAVE to allow your blind worship of that moron to absolutely warp your small mind.
NOTE: If you were kidding, so am I.
And the fact that he had books on how law enforcement handles homicide investigations?
I can see why a reasonable intelligent person who wanted to commit murder would want to read such books. But why would a reasonable intelligent person still be in possession of such books at the time of the murder?
You don't need a body to prosecute a murder. The Acid Bath Vampire
If you are the Ken and Barbie of serial killers, you videotape your abduction and assault of teenage girls.
---and Inspector Clouseau gets assigned to your case.
But the "smart ones" try very hard not to leave behind so conspicuous a gift for the police.
Currently, I own a car that:
Has spots of my wife's blood in it. I know this, because she's a diabetic and occasionally she gets drops of blood in weird places.
The front AND back seats are missing because the car is being renovated.
The car is 2 states away from me, under a tarp, I suppose you could say it is "hidden from local police".
I sure hope my wife comes home tonight from her job, or I'll probably get picked up for her murder in the not too distant future.
Enough to implicate him? If this amount of evidence was brought against George W. Bush, there would be an arrest warrant out for the cop already and pundits on every station talking about treason and how the officer assists Al Qaeda with evil roofing projects on weekends. They'd say it was suicide and how she dumped her own body and hid the car to make him look especially guilty.
-Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither. -Ben Franklin
The thing is, when was he alone with her?
The last time she was seen alive was when she dropped off the children - were the children witnesses? Where were they during the alleged murder? Where were they while the body was presumably disposed of? They're kind of young to be left alone, but old enough to testify as to what happened.
I'd assume the same thing.
When I was in college, I had a girlfriend who was majoring in criminology. According to her professors, a huge percentage of murders are actually perpetrated by people who know the victim. Who's closer than a spouse? (And if someone else is closer, you've got a suspect *and* a motive.)
So here you have an estranged marriage, and the wife disappears. It's a no-brainer that the cops are going to at least investigate the husband.
If your wife goes missing in suspicious circumstances and you have 2 brain cells to rub together, you know you're going to be the #1 suspect. That being the case, only a total dumbass--or a man in blind panic--would go and buy books on how murder investigations are carried out, particularly immediately after the disappearance.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
But probably, he killed his wife. When a woman dies, her emotionally closest male acquaintance (husband, boyfriend ...) is the most probable killer.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
The missing seat is not odd at all. CRXs from that era are frequently souped up with DOHC VTEC + weight reduction to make one fast rice rocket.
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Here's an article about doing weight reduction on a CRX: http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0306ht_19
> The fact that he has been arrested is evidence.
There's not a courtroom in the country that will accept it as evidence, and just because you note a correlation does not make it into evidence. Even if you italicize it.
> So if there is such a correlation, someone's arrest is most definitely evidence that they have committed a crime
Well, it's a good thing they tend to ask about this very sort of thing on jury questionnaires. Thankfully it doesn't even cost a strike because even prosecutors won't contest a challenge on such naked bias.
Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
According to the reports, the Sturgeon dude looks like a prime candidate. It appears that Sturgeon drugged his wife and raped her.
And.. it sounds worse. Possibly she's still alive in some make shift dungeon somewhere. the Sturgeon dude sounds sadistic.
I agree, cops will automatically assume the husband is guilty. Possibly he's arrested for his own protection, maybe they are putting a case against Sturgeon. The more I read about this the more I believe Sturgeon is the prime suspect, at least I hope
Hans didn't loose it.
Maybe Nina's family can get the Russian Mafia to shake down Sturgeon. At least that's what I would do in this situation.
Sturgeon appears to be a sick bastard to begin with. Hans refused to pay his business loan with him because of this.
I highly doubt Nina wanted to takeup with this Sturgeon loser just to get back at Hans.
Well, due to the Patriot Act I am sure Sturgeon's phones will be tapped.
It's more common than you think..
What a horror story.
Totally confirms my perception of the US justice system.
There are enough innocent people waiting on death row for me to be pretty pessimistic about Hans Reiser's chances of a fair trial.
"I'm a snake if we disagree"-Jethro Tull, Bungle in the Jungle
It's never worked in the past, why should it work now?!
The missing car seat is a bit odd.
True.
Plus buying books a couple days after to read about how police investigate crimes.
This is easily explained away. The husband (or ex-husband in this case) is always one of the first suspects. If he knew his wife was missing, and that the police suspected homicide, it's not unreasonable for him to be interested in how they would investigate, knowing that he would be a prime suspect.
Until they have a body though, it's going to be hard to prove a murder.
That's true, and the released evidence is, at this point, all circumstantial. Whether he did it or not, people will assume he did, even if he isn't convicted. That's the way public opinion goes, and it's really a shame. If he is put on trial, hopefully the jury will keep an open mind.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
He's in jail, arrested for murder in a state which has the death penalty. That sounds terminally stupid to me.He's in jail, arrested for murder in a state which has the death penalty. That sounds terminally stupid to me.
That's assuming he actually committed the murder. Or are you saying he's stupid to live in a state that has the death penalty in the first place?
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
Good, you apparently have a finely-honed sense of skepticism. Now, you simply have to learn to combine that with your intelligence, and don't allow yourself to be driven by the knee-jerk response to stories in the media whose full context you don't seem to currently understand.
The reality is that ordinary criminals, such as murderers, have all the rights they've always had, including that they can't legally be arrested without probable cause. If someone is arrested without probable cause, habeas corpus still applies, i.e. they can't be held in jail for long without being charged, and if their lawyer can show that they were arrested without probable cause, a judge will set them free.
Now, if you're suspected of terrorism, then High Fuehrer Bush's nonsense comes into play, but no-one who's only suspected of murdering his wife has yet been classified as a terrorist. Not that that couldn't happen, and not that Bush's nonsense isn't a bad thing which needs to be fixed. But try to keep a sense of perspective about how it does and doesn't apply.
Your ignorance only makes the situation worse, it doesn't help to correct it.
I'll put money on there being a significant correlation between people being arrested and people being convicted.
Of course there is... people generally don't get convicted of crimes they haven't been arrested for.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
When you would no longer be surprised to hear that the boss has been arrested on suspicion of murder, it's time to quit.
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It is not evident from the reports what kind of sensitivity the blood tests had, which is an issue. If you searched about my apartment, you'd find some of my blood here and there, due to a nose bleed or two. I, of course, am not dead, it would be downright silly to conclude, from the finding of blood, that I had been murdered. I don't know to what degree the police findings suggest any particular action at all.
I'd frankly expect there to be some blood found in a number of places in the Reiser "matrimonial home." Women have a monthly cycle that involves some emission of blood, which would be likely to leave a "trail" in the bathroom, and which could show up elsewhere. Uncareful kitchen work with knives could leave some blood there.
At the more unfortunate end of things, if things had gotten heated between the Reisers, a physical blow could induce (say) a nose bleed. That could well represent a criminal act, and cause the things seemingly observed by police, but not, in fact, be murder.
I'm not looking to find Hans Reiser innocent, or guilty; that's not my place. I don't know if he killed his wife; if he did, then, barring pretty wild circumstances, he's presumably guilty of murder. If he didn't do it, then he's not. There is a whole lot unfortunate about the situation, regardless.
What has been publicized thus far does not point particularly strongly at any option yet being most probable.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
If they have evidence that he killed his wife, what is the confession for ?
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
That's true, and the released evidence is, at this point, all circumstantial.
I agree. I think that arresting him at this point was a bit premature, unless there is more they aren't telling or they were afraid he was going to destroy more evidence (although having him free for a month would've allowed that already). If it were me, I would have at least waited till finding a body and figuring out cause of death, etc...
Outside the geek circles I'm also not sure how big this case is, so there could also be community pressure to arrest someone. This really sucks if that's the case. Rushing to trial could lead to a lack of evidence and an acquittal if he really is guilty.
Anyways, at the end of the day I hope the right person is caught, convicted and punished accordingly.
I've been arrested 5 times and sucessfully prosecuted twice.
So my correlation is that arrest doesn't lead to prosecution.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
If he is guilty then let Bubba pound his ass every day in prison, but in between the "poundings" he can develop software.
Excerpt from hypothetical email from prison:
Sorry guys, gotta cut this message short, Bubba is back for more. For the holidays, please send more vaseline, and we need to do more testing on the new module, ok gotta go!
After reading this article, it sounds like the circumstantial evidence may be fairly strong.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
Because, IIRC, ReiserFS only journals metadata.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
He had one book, according to the news story that I read.
Awhile back, there was a pair of books concerning the aftermath of a murder from a law enforcement/legal perspective (_How_To_Solve_A_Murder_ and _How_To_Try_A_Murder_) that ended up on my Barnes & Nobels bargain rack. I picked up the latter since it was only a few bucks.
I wouldn't be surprised if I was the only geek that did so.
To play devil's advocate some more, lets consider the blood splatters found in the house and car. Why both locations? It would be interesting to know where the blood was found and how much there was.
As for "hiding" the car, well, it was Hans. Perhaps he was pissed at the police for wasting their time when his wife was missing by investigating him. His refusal to help them could be interpretted as "hiding" the auto.
But I don't have a good explanation for the missing passenger seat. (Hey, I was playing devil's advocate, not acting as Hans's lawyer.) If the prosecution can show that the passenger seat went missing at about the time of Nina's disappearance, that's going to be pretty damaging to his case.
Who told you that? And what kind of idiots modded you up for saying it? This is the most incorrect line of bullshit I've ever seen. To arrest someone, you have to have cause. This is not the same as evidence.
This is very simple and I will lay it out for you now so you do not go around misinforming people.
Under U.S. law, any person can arrest any person. When a citizen makes an arrest, we call it "citizen's arrest". When a peace officer does it, we call it "police arrest" but since almost all arrests are police arrests, we just call it an arrest.
A citizen may arrest you if they witness you commiting a misdemeanor, or if they have reason to believe you have commited a felony. Such as someone told them so. It doesn't mean they have evidence - someone telling them so is circumstantial at best.
A police officer may arrest you if they have reason to believe you commited a misdemeanor or felony. They do not have to witness it. They don't even have to witness it to cite you for an infraction, although if they don't see it, that's a reasonable defense in court.
The simple fact is that you don't need any evidence whatsoever to arrest someone, and once you have arrested them, you can hold them for up to 48 hours without charging them of a crime.
What country do you think we live in, anyway? You think this is the land of the free or something?
Finally, I'm not saying they don't have evidence - just that it's not actually a requirement for an arrest.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I bet some of the code comments that he'd write would be priceless.
In all seriousness though, I'm all for having people doing life (or other long) sentences do productive work, in whatever way they're capable, as long as it doesn't present a threat to society. I don't like paying my tax dollars so they can sit around and work out at the gym for 12 hours a day.
And hey, maybe he could do some Linux evangelizing from the "inside." Maybe they could even develop a PrisonLinux distro.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
There is no fucking difference.
Both citizens and non-citizens, even enemy combatants, are human beings.
The Bill of Rights is supposed to be a partial list of rights which are supposed to be accorded to all humans.
If you are willing to compromise your principles in certain situations, you don't have principles.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Jack McCoy would never talk like that!
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If the victim was a complete stranger, that would be suspicious. Since this is his ex wife, it's not hard to imagine MANY senarios to explain that away... People get injured all the time. The article doesn't say if this was huge ammounts of blood spread all around the vehicle, or just 2-3 drops on the floor...
Not at all suspect. In an '88 model-year car, it's not hard to imagine the seat was damaged, cracked, etc. He may have dumped it before getting a new one, or perhaps was leaving it out for extra cargo room.
Completely subjective. That could just mean he didn't immediately offer to let them look at it, or immediately tell them where it was.
Seems pretty standard. If someone I know was to disappear, I'd read-up about the process, too. The books are only even slightly suspicious if you are prejudiced and already believe he's guilty.
No, we have one-liners from the police department that don't even sound remotely suspicious, unless you let your mind go wild and assume the worst, in absence of any facts.
There isn't enough evidence to even suggest she's dead.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Most likely it happened elsewhere aswell, but I don't think a system claimed to be a democracy ever did it on this scale in peacetime. We're talking about more than 90,000 people in ILLEGAL detention only! The biggest stadium in the USA couldn't fit that many people. That is the important difference.
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No, it's not. Note the "arrested", as opposed to "convicted", in the post you replied to.
Thanks, but I can read. How is being arrested indicative of stupidity?
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
Beyond reasonable doubt...
In quite a few states, if the penatly of crime is death then the jury has to use the rule beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is why I have to agree with the jury in the OJ case because there were shadows. It is very important that death penatly cases be RIGHT and execised with extreeem caution.
As other people have pointed out, though, it's much more believable that you would buy a book like that if your ex-wife had just disappeared and you wanted to understand what was going on around you, than if you had just killed her.
You'd have to be pretty stupid to buy a book like that if you had killed her, and Reiser doesn't seem like he's quite that dumb. Maybe he is, and if he's convicted then I'll be the first to say "wow, what an idiot."
But if you put yourself in the position of someone who just had their ex-wife disappear, presumably killed, and who wants to know what the hell the cops are doing to figure the whole thing out...it's not implausible that you'd buy a book like that.
Seems more plausible to me than Reiser just being so retarded that he'd buy it after the fact and leave it sitting around.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Physical evidence is often circumstantial. In fact, I'd say it's circumstantial in the vast majority of cases. I think you are just confused (as many folks are) about the definition of circumstantial evidence.
I used to be a state prosecutor. I never tried a murder case, but I did have a spiel about circumstantial evidence. It went something like this:
Let's say you have some ice cream in your freezer. Let's also say that you are the parent of a 6-year-old boy. You leave him alone in the kitchen for 20 minutes and when you come back, you see an empty ice cream container on your counter, melted splatters of ice cream all over the countertops and your kitchen table, and your beloved son has schmears of ice cream all around his mouth.
All of the evidence I just presented is circumstantial evidence that your little boy ate the ice cream. None of it is DIRECT evidence. An example of direct evidence would be an eyewitness who testifies that he SAW your son eat the ice cream.
The fact is that strong cases can be - and often are - built largely upon circumstantial evidence. Blood in the perp's car is strong physical evidence, but also circumstantial.This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
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There's not a courtroom in the country that will accept it as evidence
Which he said. It's not evidence in the legal sense, but it is evidence in the Bayesian sense.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
They removed reiser3 from its upcoming version citing it was unscalable, while version 4 is still unstable.
I never liked reiser myself, i trust ext3.
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That's my thought about the books too. But my suspicion is that he has mental health issues and did it without any premeditation.
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This would only be true in the case of a premeditated murder. In the case where a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion or rage has occured, there would be no such forethought, but a lot of scrambling afterwords to try and mitigate the damages.
Sure, but he's probably not quite sane at the moment. If he did not kill his ex-wife, the feelings of confusion and helplessness at being arrested are enough to make anyone behave nutty. People sincerely believe that if they are inoccent, their inoccence will eventually be proved. On the other hand, the human heart is an amazingly base and mysterious thing some times. No matter how smart you are it can work itself into thinking absurd things, like believing that killing your wife would be a good thing. When people are like this they don't behave normally because there is still that bit of humanity that wants to put up a fight. Read Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky for a good portail of this.
Personally I don't have enough evidence to make a good guess about anything.
from some nice people who want me to cum like a porn star. If it works I'll put it in cvs.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
I suspect Steve Ballmer to have fuckin' killed Nina Reiser with an office chair.
"While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum."
The thing that bothers me most is that people are willing to accept that "many" of the people there are scum. How do you know? Honestly how does anybody know unless they are trusting the president 100%. He is the only arbiter, he points to a picture or a list of people, utters the phrase "bad men" and it's a done deal. No courts, no trials, no evidence, no nothing. The president says so and therefore it must be so.
evil is as evil does
My point is, if you'd want to kill your wife, you'd obtain these books BEFORE you kill your wife, study them thoroughly for a long time and then despose them. Hans Reiser is not stupid.
Lots of criminals are caught precisely because they believe they're smarter than the people doing the investigating, and end up making that one critical mistake. Look up Ward Weaver -- he plead guilty to charges of murdering a 12- and a 13-year old girl in Oregon City. It took the FBI eight months to come up with a reason to obtain a search warrant for his property, where they ultimately found the bodies.
But go ahead, please try the "I'm a geek! I just wanted to know how the police are going to investigate me should they determine I'm a suspect!" defense, and let me know how it works. You call it "checking the documentation on a bug", but a jury is more likely to consider it obstructing justice or premeditation.
Finally, we computer nerds have our own sensational murder trial.
I for one hope there will be daily updates on Wikipedia News, live webcasts, podcasts of commentary, talking-head blogs, real crime experts whose expertise is acceptable to geeks, and all that, for years. Maybe Reiser is the smart man's Scott Peterson!
It's now called ServesYouRightFS.
Unless it was a crime of passion, and he was hoping to cover it up after the fact.
The big change came during the Civil War. Before the war started, the Federal government employed about 80,000 civilians. Of those, 50,000 worked for the Post Office.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Sorry,
Guess I'm influenced unduly by the pictures of people jumping to their death from burning buildings.
Most of the people there were captured on the battle field or under suspicious circumstances.
I don't trust the president 100%- not even 75%. But I do not believe that the military picked up a bunch of people from neutral locations and through them into Gitmo. I do believe most of them would slit my throat if I tried to help them and they would happily burn my daughter to death or behead her.
As a result, I'm just a "wee" bit more tolerant of the president and his men being a bit overboard against them.
I'm also a "wee" bit concerned about the president sliding into a fascist corporate dictator state.
They are competing priorities and i have to balance them on an ongoing basis.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
No, retaining a lawyer in the face of criminal charges or a civil action makes perfect sense. Nina Reiser has been missing for over a month, so it's assumed the police have talked to Hans before about it. There's a reason why the police have to let you have access to legal representation when you're accused of a crime. (Well, up util recently anyway...)
If you want to investigate your legal rights as the accused, you buy books on criminal law (or better yet, retain a lawyer). Buying books on police procedure can be shown to have more to do with finding out how to "beat the system".
What a jackass! What were they supposed to do - arrest him before she was officially declared missing? And although I have no information about the supposed crime, wouldn't an estranged husband almost automatically be the most likely suspect in her disappearance?
I don't have anything against Reiser. However, while this has to be incredibly frustrating for him (assuming he truly is innocent), I don't see what police course of action would have been more justified.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Given sufficient effort anybody can be framed properly, and even a dead body can be faked. Of course most of the 99.99% of real world cases are just that, real world cases, but then again, reality is sometimes stranger than fiction. You still go ahead, with the run of the mill prosecution and convictions, deal with the real world assuming that's all you're dealing with, but in all that, you have to keep the other side too in the back of your mind, that you can never be certain about anything in this world.
How much blood before we can reasonably assume that a murder has even occurred, much less that it was Hans who did it?
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
WTF? How does it obstruct justice to purchase a fucking book? How is it PREmeditation if he bought them after the fact?
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
BTW: California Highway Patrol is CHiPs, not DHCP.
The articles did say he was cooperative with the police initially; perhaps he wanted to understand the process of the investigation in order to better assist the police locate his missing wife or to keep tabs on their progress. That said, everything is speculation at this point. Certainly not a happy situation for anyone.
What has happened to this boyfriend? Has he also bene arrested?
But thanks for posting this. Nice to have some hope.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Okay, so only a dumbass or a panicky man buys the books. But both the innocent and the guilty panic when they believe they're suspects. So again, the books aren't evidence about guilt.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
They might report about his arrest in 2009.
...remnants of the victims DNS embedded in...
You know you're a geek when you mistype DNA as DNS.
Don't read much Kafka, do you?
Web consulting +
But there's another issue - are cops selective about who they arrest? If cops are significanty more likely to arrest guilty people than non-guilty people (and we hope they are, otherwise police investigation is a waste of tax money) then the fact that Reiser has been arrested is evidence to me in favour of his guilt. Of course it's not good evidence for the cop - the cops are arresting him because they already have some evidence, and to use his arrest as evidence would mean using the same evidence twice. So the fact that Reiser has been arrested is evidence (but not proof) of his guilt for me, but obviously it should never be used in a court of law.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Or maybe he was just used to the german abbreviation where S stands for Säure instead of A for acid. On the other hand A's right next to S, so maybe it's just a typo
To dismiss the circumstantial evidence as meritless due to a lack of a corpse is incorrect. As far as circumstantial evidence goes, this is pretty damning. And it would be imprudent of the police not to have Hans arrested with the evidence they have. The prosecuter could make a good case for murder with the knowledge they have made public at this time.
The fact that the books were bought after the murder means he probably would not be charged with murder in the 1st degree, but definitely 2nd degree. So it's likely he will not get a death penalty charge, but that's just a guess.
Personally, unless the defense comes up with some exceptionally strong counter arguements, Scott Peterson is about to get a new buddy.
> Look up Ward Weaver -- he plead guilty to charges of murdering a 12- and a 13-year old girl in Oregon City.
The sick thing is, I originally read that name as Ward Cleaver.
Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
David Hicks has never fired a shot at a human being. He has never bombed a building. Exactly how is he an "enemy combatant". He has never been to or applied for a visa to the US. The closest he's ever been to the US is being held in custody without charge for years on end. Your presumption about the inmates of Gitmo is flawed.
Don't get me wrong, there may well be terrorists who were actively involved in committing and/or performing terrorist acts against the USA in there, in fact there probably are. But at least one isnt, and there may be more.
"Guess I'm influenced unduly by the pictures of people jumping to their death from burning buildings."
In that case you are an idiot of the highest order. Let's try an intelligence test shall we? Who at guantanamo was responsible for the people jumping off of those buildings?
"Most of the people there were captured on the battle field or under suspicious circumstances."
1) How do you know?
2) What do mean "most"? How about the rest?
3) What do you mean "suspicious circumstances" and how do you know?
"But I do not believe that the military picked up a bunch of people from neutral locations and through them into Gitmo. I do believe most of them would slit my throat if I tried to help them and they would happily burn my daughter to death or behead her."
Why do you believe these things? Some people were let go from gitmo and they didn't slit anybodies throats. They were all tortured too even though they were innocent. Even the army had to admit eventually that they were innocent and let them go. Why would you believe an army which has admitted that it's making mistakes and torturing innocent people?
evil is as evil does
But go ahead, please try the "I'm a geek! I just wanted to know how the police are going to investigate me should they determine I'm a suspect!" defense, and let me know how it works. You call it "checking the documentation on a bug", but a jury is more likely to consider it obstructing justice or premeditation.
You're absolutely right that many things geeks do are likely to be a mystery to your average juror and are going to be held against them. Nevertheless, the problem there is with the jury, not with the geek: reading books on police procedures after your wife has disappeared should not be considered evidence of guilt.
At the very least, that alone would be obstruction of an investigation/justice. Not 'murder', sure, but not the wisest of moves.
"Most of the people there were captured on the battle field or under suspicious circumstances."
According to recent articles, a certain percentage - perhaps a significant percentage - were "captured" by foreign national "bounty hunters" paid by the US military/CIA - in other words, scooped up en mass and dumped into US custody for money.
Yeah, I trust those "suspicious circumstances."
"I do believe most of them would slit my throat if I tried to help them and they would happily burn my daughter to death or behead her."
In other words, you're a provincial American clueless about the rest of the world. Some others like you raped and murdered a fourteen year old Iraqi girl for kicks. And you wonder why some people don't like Americans.
Moron.
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Point well-taken. :-)
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
Good for the employees of Namesys. Good for SuSE. And perhaps without Reiser himself there even a chance that the disputes with the kernel team can be solved.
I don't see any other solution. Else ReiserFS will fade into obscurity. It may well be that it's already too late to save ReiserFS.
Bye egghat.
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
He is over 100K in debt. I'm not sure he can even afford a lawer.
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
So maybe he didnt have time to study a theoretical law book. He just needeed quick practical answers, something like a "for dummies" book.
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
That's nice. Do you practice Death Yoga by any chance?
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
What a trip to the emergency room that was, though.
They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
In your answer, please address the fact that she is alive and well.
They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
Keep living in that dream world.
The reality is there are millions of people (including millions of children) out there who would celebrate in the streets at your or my painful deaths.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Are you completely incapble of holding in your head two facts at the same time?
* some of the people in gitmo are innocent. I'd even grant up to 10% (as I did in the parent post).
* MOST of the people in gitmo were educated from childhood that I'm not human and they would celebrate at finding any way to kill me or hearing someone else had killed me. This repeats what i said in my parent post. Do you have trouble parsing that I equated "most" to 90% in the original post? It was basic english. Perhaps you got so mad at the first couple sentences that you failed to read the rest of the post?
Do you seriously believe that the vast majority of people in gitmo were picked up while shopping or doing innocuous activities and are completely innocent?
Until the saudi's and others stop educating their 7 year olds that we are not human and deserve to die this is going to continue to be a problem. They have no moral restraint with regard to killing us because it was never put in them in the first place. This has nothing to do with all the nasty shit america and others have done. We (and everyone else) have done lots of nasty shit to everyone- but we don't educate our children from birth to kill other people. But certain right wing xtian groups are starting to do that now and it's scary.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
"some of the people in gitmo are innocent. I'd even grant up to 10% (as I did in the parent post)."
And you are fine with torturing innocent people as long as it's only 10%.
"MOST of the people in gitmo were educated from childhood that I'm not human and they would celebrate at finding any way to kill me or hearing someone else had killed me."
How do you know this?
"Do you seriously believe that the vast majority of people in gitmo were picked up while shopping or doing innocuous activities and are completely innocent?"
The vast majority were turned over for bounty or picked up because they were males carrying guns in afghanistan. They were conscripts or trying to defend their country against the invaders.
NONE OF THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
"Until the saudi's and others stop educating their 7 year olds that we are not human and deserve to die this is going to continue to be a problem."
Until then we are going to torture innocent people? How many at gitmo are saudis anyway?
"They have no moral restraint with regard to killing us because it was never put in them in the first place."
Mmmm. Sounds oddly like you.
"This has nothing to do with all the nasty shit america and others have done."
Nothing at all huh? Not even a little bit? Not even a smidgen? Nothing at all?
"We (and everyone else) have done lots of nasty shit to everyone- but we don't educate our children from birth to kill other people."
Sure we do. Why do think so many americans are favor of torturing arabs and turning iran and iraq into a nuclear wasteland? Ask a republican whether the US should kill millions of iranians by launching nukes and 30% of them will say yes.
evil is as evil does
so the police can reconstruct her ip address.
1) That's not what I said and you know it. I think we need to make an effort to get those 10% out quickly. I think it is not okay for us to use torture except in immediate circumstances. I.e., if we knew a person knew where a nuke set to go off in the next 8 hours was planted in new york city (25 million dead- women, children, old people, pregnant folks), I would personally take the moral stain of doing whatever it took to get the information in time to neutralize the bomb. I don't even need to have relatives there to get out the pliers and start removing body parts. It is the classic quandary: What would you do to a person raping your daughter? Would you calmly call the police and tell the person to stop or would you carefully break their knees with a crowbar and then emasculate them before killing them so they can't sue you.
After doing such things, you are permanently ruined as a human being. You basically sacrifice yourself to protect everyone else.
2) It is trivial to find support for the education. It's happening in america ("I'm not an american- says 13 year old islam home schooled american citizen), saudi arabia (monkees and evil), and other islamic countries *DESPITE* the fact that we have called them on it and they keep saying they are stopping. It's as bad as the bloody creationists in this country. When you get the kids at 8 years old, it's really hard to fix them- they are messed up as human beings now in a very fundamental way just like hitler youth were.
3) It's not about 9/11- it's not about the various bombings of buildings, ships, and murders of innocents. 9/11 was just the moment a lot of us woke up and said, "Okay the kid gloves are off- they want to kill us- and that includes the "innocent" people who merely provide them millions of dollars, don't turn them in, don't report when their immam preaches murdering us, etc.
4) No- not really even a smidgeon. It has a lot more to do with the fact that we are not islamic. They mean to convert us- peacefully if possible- and by the sword otherwise.
5) No- millions of americans would not be comfortable with going over and shooting up a schoolyard full of children. We are bloody trying to rebuild schools, hospitals, etc. We are not pulling a rome on them and just killing everyone and salting the ground.
It is not too late for islam to grow up and join the rest of the world. It is showing *some* very slight signs. But there is still way too much celebrating in the streets by the entire populace (including 8 year olds) when non-islamics die. There is still way to much sense of manifest destiny and "no compromise" there. If they don't adapt and adjust, we will turn medieval the next time a couple buildings go down and several thousand people die. We have a fringe of liberal types- but during WWII, they mostly converted over so the remaining 2% were shut up. The west can be extremely hard nosed and surgically evil when it needs to be- dresden comes to mind- but the second the need ends, those measures stop. The instant wwii was over, we helped rebuild japan and europe without malice.
The instant that islam stops trying to kill us, we will forget the malice immediately. As long as they keep trying, we are going to get more and more aggressive.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
"if we knew a person knew where a nuke set to go off in the next 8 hours was planted in new york city (25 million dead- women, children, old people, pregnant folks), I would personally take the moral stain of doing whatever it took to get the information in time to neutralize the bomb."
Most people believe like you do. They somehow think that the people in gitmo are in posession of some knowledge that will save lives as soon as we torture them enough and get the answer. Alas most people are idiots. They don't realize that those people are tortured overseas in pakistan, syria, lebanon and israel. By the time a prisoner is brought to gitmo they have already gone through their first regime of torture and enough time has passed to obviate any immediate danger. To continue to torture them is simply sadism, doing it for pleasure. To continue to torture them years after they have been plucked from afghanistan is pure evil.
"No- not really even a smidgeon. It has a lot more to do with the fact that we are not islamic. They mean to convert us- peacefully if possible- and by the sword otherwise."
Well if that doesn't prove you are republitard then nothing does.
"No- millions of americans would not be comfortable with going over and shooting up a schoolyard full of children."
They would be very comfortable with dropping nukes on iran. We like to do our killing from the air.
"The instant that islam stops trying to kill us, we will forget the malice immediately. As long as they keep trying, we are going to get more and more aggressive."
Well lets hope this crusade works better for us then the last one did.
evil is as evil does
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