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A Hands-On Zune Review

jayintune writes "2old2play.com got the chance to sit down with Microsoft's new media player, the Zune, to give some comments and insight into the players User Interface, Video Playback, Music Sharing, as well as software and setup." From the article: "I had expected the player to be fairly heavy, but after holding the Zune in my hand it was clear that I was wrong. It is not as light as the latest video iPod, but compared to my fourth-generation iPod, the Zune was lighter. The top of the Zune had a clear glass layer while the exterior had a tactile feel to it, nothing like the hard metal and plastic of the iPod devices. The 'skin' of the Zune was a 'rubberized' material that had a smooth seductive feel to it. I found myself unable to stop stroking the device, so much that the demo assistant asked me to put it down."

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  1. NDA? Goose? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 'skin' of the Zune was a 'rubberized' material that had a smooth seductive feel to it. I found myself unable to stop stroking the device, so much that the demo assistant asked me to put it down.
    Laughing off the uncomfortable silence, I focused on the player and the user interface (UI). The interface is amazingly responsive to my actions.

    Um... Yeah. looks a news headlines, again. OK... maybe the author just having a little fun with the reader.

    Clicking on the "community" button allowed me to see the other two Zunes nearby. I decided to send them my community member a song. Browsed to my music folder, found to a song and, instead of selecting to play it, I chose to send it. Prompted with a list of Zune's nearby, I chose one and sent it. Watching the other Zune, the user was prompted to download and accepted the request. It took less than 20 seconds to send the whole song which included album art.

    Sounds lengthy, but if you're trying to chat up a hot prospect 20 seconds is plenty of time to break the ice.

    Upon a successful transfer, the music is wrapped with a digital rights management (DRM) layer which will give the user a three day or three-listen license. I don't know about many of our readers, but I can listen to a song over and over again. Three plays... please!

    DRM(!) huhhhhh HUUHHHHH huhhhhh HUUHHHHH Welcome to the dark side I wonder if there's something which allows you to add it to a wishlist to buy later if you decide you like it.

    Yes, it is a first-generation product but I really like the direction Microsoft is taking with the Zune.

    Clearly the reviewer is happy with DRM. Only one model, Hmm.. So when's the Zune Femto coming out?

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    1. Re:NDA? Goose? by Gogo0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does everyone talk about sharing music while you talk with some hot girl you met in a club/bar/wherever?
      When I meet a girl in a bar, unless it was the starting subject, talk about music is usually scraping near the bottom of the conversation barrel.
      Even if music is an important subject, what are the odds that said girl will have dumped her $300 Ipod for a Zune and will be able to recieve your music?
      Where do you meet people who want to trade music anyway!?

      Maybe I'm just weird, but when I go somewhere to meet girls, I dont even bring my mp3 player.

    2. Re:NDA? Goose? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe I'm just weird, but when I go somewhere to meet girls, I dont even bring my mp3 player.

      What is the most common vehicle for marketing? Even if it's far removed from reality... Come one, you know what it is.

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    3. Re:NDA? Goose? by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I meet a girl in a bar, unless it was the starting subject, talk about music is usually scraping near the bottom of the conversation barrel.

      I meet girls in coffeehouses, although I don't call them girls. I call them musicians. Music is almost always at the top of the barrel as a conversation subject.

      Where do you meet people who want to trade music anyway!?

      See above. I'm not a music spectator. I'm a participant. Trading music is something musicians do, although this is often done through actual social interaction and not just "socially." It's sometimes called the aural tradition.

      Even if music is an important subject, what are the odds that said girl will have dumped her $300 Ipod for a Zune and will be able to recieve your music?

      Not a chance in fucking hell. Guess I'll just have to get her email address, huh?

      KFG

    4. Re:NDA? Goose? by Gogo0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if all this talk about hot girls just waiting for you to send them music will inspire legions of geeks to venture out at night in search of a girl ready to accept their World of Warcraft soundtrack...

    5. Re:NDA? Goose? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where do you meet people who want to trade music anyway!?

            High school.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    6. Re:NDA? Goose? by antek9 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Where do you meet people who want to trade music anyway!?
      Me? Why, on usenet. But, shhh, don't spread the word...
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      Infinity in the Palm of your Hand / And Eternity in an Hour.
    7. Re:NDA? Goose? by Gogo0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, those girls are predators.
      They get you drunk, take all your mp3s, and you wake up in an alley the next morning with a scar over where your kidney used to be.
      Did I mention your mp3s are gone?

    8. Re:NDA? Goose? by fatphil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But music is different from music trading.

      about 2/3rds of the people I know and hang around with are musicians (just back from a gig by one of them, in fact), and yet music sharing almost never bubbles up above the horizon, even if music is the prime topic of conversation.

      FatPhil

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    9. Re:NDA? Goose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      about 2/3rds of the people I know and hang around with are musicians

      And the other 1/3rd are the drummers?
    10. Re:NDA? Goose? by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I'd *hate* to be walking around any hipster enclave with one of these.
      I live on Capitol Hill in Seattle, and I can just see retarted hipster indie-rocker wannabe's walking around trying so upload their "band's" single on to any/everyone's Zune.
      It'll be the next venue for that annoying asshat who hangs around the bar w/ cheap PBR pushing cheaply made cd's onto passersby.
      If for no other reason, this should dissuade you from picking one up.
      Just my $0.02

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    11. Re:NDA? Goose? by bladesjester · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think I dated one once.

      Still have my kidney though.

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    12. Re:NDA? Goose? by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, well the rest of us have two kidneys, sucker!

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    13. Re:NDA? Goose? by bitt3n · · Score: 2, Funny
      What is the most common vehicle for marketing? Even if it's far removed from reality... Come one, you know what it is.
      the fact that it runs linux?
    14. Re:NDA? Goose? by vought · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why does everyone talk about sharing music while you talk with some hot girl you met in a club/bar/wherever?

      Because this is Slashdot, and people here only conceptualize meeting a girl in a bar.

      Pull out a Zune and ofer to share a tune with a real girl in a real bar, and I'd lay my neck on a block against you getting laid, much less her number or name.

    15. Re:NDA? Goose? by themoodykid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haha, I live on Capitol Hill, too, and you can't throw a rock without hitting these kids you describe.

    16. Re:NDA? Goose? by countach · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you meet a girl, you want to make sure she is "PLAYS FOR SURE".

  2. Standard Slashdot response by NineNine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me go ahead and burn karma to get this out of the way:

    He's lying! He's a paid Microsoft shill! There's no way that it's as good as he says! It must be rigged! It's probably the new iPod and he thought it was a MS product! He's brainwashed by the DRM! It doesn't run Linux!
     
    ... am I forgetting anything?

    1. Re:Standard Slashdot response by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > He's lying! He's a paid Microsoft shill! There's no way that it's as good as he says! It must be rigged! It's probably the new iPod and he thought it was a MS product! He's brainwashed by the DRM! It doesn't run Linux!
      >
      > ... am I forgetting anything?

      The guy above me forgot to ask about .ogg support. BURN HIM!

    2. Re:Standard Slashdot response by cabazorro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are absolutely right. The article is a crock.

      The bullcrap about strocking the surface and melting reservations is so idiotic anybody with half a brain can see this jackass all he wants is brownie points with some effing provider for whatever his her bussiness is about.

      All we care is weather the so called round button interface is simply enough to operate like you know what or is a stupid army-knife click-o-rama choke-full of features 4-way navigation pad where you have to memorize wich direction does what.
      That's all.

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    3. Re:Standard Slashdot response by ettlz · · Score: 4, Informative
      ... am I forgetting anything?
      It doesn't fucking play Ogg Vorbis.
    4. Re:Standard Slashdot response by NineNine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I've read in many places that it DOES support Ogg. Can't verify, though.

    5. Re:Standard Slashdot response by krell · · Score: 3, Funny

      "! It's probably the new iPod and he thought it was a MS product! He's brainwashed by the DRM! It doesn't run Linux! "

      I think so. Someone put an iPod inside a condom and completely fooled the reviewer, who could not help stroking it.

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    6. Re:Standard Slashdot response by grcumb · · Score: 4, Funny
      Someone put an iPod inside a condom and completely fooled the reviewer, who could not help stroking it.

      'iPod', huh? Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

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      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    7. Re:Standard Slashdot response by dotdevin · · Score: 5, Funny

      "It doesn't run Linux!"

      Give it a few days :)

    8. Re:Standard Slashdot response by darthgnu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Try a tinfoil condom.

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    9. Re:Standard Slashdot response by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like most Microsoft products they look really cool and fancy when you first get them and see what it can do. Then after a while it becomes more hassle. Apple tends to make a product with really a less of a Wow Factor alone (unless Steve Jobs is demoing it) But after you use it it gets more and more useful and you find there are so many more little things that are there just to make you life easier.

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    10. Re:Standard Slashdot response by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Funny
      The guy above me forgot to ask about .ogg support. BURN HIM!

      You know in Soviet Russia, Microsoft burns YOU!

      Oh, wait, that happens in America too if you bought a PlaysForSure compatable audio device.
  3. Stroke It by Gogo0 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I found myself unable to stop stroking the device, so much that the demo assistant asked me to put it down

    Anyone who makes a statement like that in a review has obviously made their mind up about the device (they WILL love it) before they even saw it. Though I may be wrong, I cant read the article at work to see if he panned it or not.

    I say this because I know that I will be stroking my Wii on Nov 19th. Dont try to hide your feelings from your readers if you are reviewing something, some people actually take reviews seriously.
    1. Re:Stroke It by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I will be stroking my Wii on Nov 19th.

      Too much information.

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    2. Re:Stroke It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I woke up this morning, went into the bathroom, and squirted a 'video' from my 'zune.' When I got to work, I squirted a 'song' from my 'zune' whilst in a crowded elevator. Those who received it said it "really stank."

  4. Credibility? by justinbach · · Score: 5, Funny
    The 'skin' of the Zune was a 'rubberized' material that had a smooth seductive feel to it. I found myself unable to stop stroking the device, so much that the demo assistant asked me to put it down."

    I haven't RTFA, but I'll be damned if I'm going to after that little choice excerpt--this stuff reads like B-rate pr0n narrative!
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    1. Re:Credibility? by justinbach · · Score: 5, Funny
      Haha--ok, I lied, I went against my better judgment and RTFA after my first post, but my suspicions were confirmed--look!

      giving you a feeling of probing deeper into the device.

      What the hell, man?!? I mean, I love my portable music as much as the next guy, but i sure as hell am never going to make it THAT physical...
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      I left my wallet in El Sigundo!
    2. Re:Credibility? by misleb · · Score: 2, Funny
      I haven't RTFA, but I'll be damned if I'm going to after that little choice excerpt--this stuff reads like B-rate pr0n narrative!


      You seem to imply that there is such thing as an A-rate pr0n narrative.

      -matthew
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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
  5. Zune Meme Analysis by broward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft's traditional marketing isn't working well.
    Gee? What other ploys can Microsoft try?

    Unfortunately, the mental bandwidth already belongs to iPod, it will be hard to dislodge them in favor of Zune.

    http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme?entry =zune_meme_rerun

    1. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft's traditional marketing isn't working well. Gee? What other ploys can Microsoft try?

      Unfortunately, the mental bandwidth already belongs to iPod, it will be hard to dislodge them in favor of Zune.

      They've got a big hurdle they'll have to clear, because anyone who already has an iPod and has purchased a considerable number of songs will not switch, because they'd have to buy the same songs again. No thanks. Zune will have to appeal to first time buyers and a lot of them will be asking the same question, "is it as good as an iPod?"

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    2. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because anyone who already has an iPod and has purchased a considerable number of songs will not switch, because they'd have to buy the same songs again.

            Don't forget that the entertainment industry is BUILT on selling people the same crap over and over again... this might just work. "Oh but it sounds so much better on my Zune..."

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    3. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but anyone who has purchased songs in Microsoft's PlaysForSure scheme have been FUCKED by Microsoft. It's incredible to me that there isn't a larger outcry in the press over this. Microsoft spent a couple of years badmouthing Apple's vertical model and praising their third-party licensing format, then suddenly turned around and abandoned it in favor of Apple's. If Apple released a new iPod with FairPlay 2.0 that didn't play any FairPlay 1.0 files, the torches and pitchforks would be out.

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    4. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by EvanED · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Zune will have to appeal to first time buyers and a lot of them will be asking the same question, "is it as good as an iPod?"

      My MP3 CD player (RioVolt SP250... old school) just bit the dust. Not sure what I'm gonna get in replacement. But *my* question would be "is it cheaper than an iPod?"

      (Actually I might get a player with a built in compactflash slot so I could move pictures from my camera to the hard drive.)

    5. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by cpeterso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MP3 is the only real "Plays For Sure" audio format.

    6. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by wired_LAIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought that Microsoft was providing all the songs that you bought on itunes for free? I remember reading that in a previous /. article.

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    7. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there's a small list of stores NOT using Fairplay... emusic, rapsody, iTMS, and audible.. pretty much every body else is windows "plays for sure". They've paid a lot of money to MS for licensing, and servers... and MS borked them all!

    8. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by nroose · · Score: 5, Interesting

      iTMS has sold over a BILLION songs. Probably tens of millions of customers.

      So, what happens if you try to share an MP3 file? Does that get DRMed also? That would suck.

      Seems to me like they might sell some of these if they allowed purchasing the song that someone shared with you, right from the device, and then letting you copy it back to your PC.

      I find that compatibility thing funny. MS has spent soooo much time, effort, money, and compromise on backward compatibility in Windows over the years. Perhaps they just had enough of that.

    9. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by vought · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like the past few years of imminent iPhone announcements, that was a rumor, and as such, wasn't reflected in the cold, hard light of reality. Although I'd chuckle to see Microsoft chuck a couple of billion dollars at the record companies to re-buy everyone's iTMS tracks. Talk about corporate welfare and pissing off the geeks...

      If you've spent a couple of hundred bucks on iTunes Music Store Tracks like me (all backed up as non-DRM AIFF, thank you) then you have to consider that those tracks will not play on the Sune without reripping - and reripping means you get big files that sound at least as good as the original iTMS store files, or you get Windows DRM o' The Week files that sound a trifle bit crappier.

      May I add that this article sounds to have been written by a total flaming fanboy? Holy cripes, I haven't seen so much fawning since Bambi.

    10. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That sounds an awful lot like a monopoly. Refer yet again to the fact for some reason you see no problem with that when Apple does it, but if MS does they're the devil and should be sued to oblivion by the EU...

    11. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by prockcore · · Score: 2, Informative
      The new prices on the ipods are actually pretty good i think, only 250 bucks for an 30gig ipod video


      Yes, but it's only $150 for a 20gig Zen Photo Sleek. Which is large enough for most people. I hate that Apple keeps dropping their lowest model in order to keep the price above $250. In 3 months, the 30 gig ipod will be history.
    12. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are already YouTube downloader-converters and standalone .flv converters for the iPod.

      Windows users can already paste a url into iTube, and it will download YouTube's .flv files, convert them to .mp4 format, and add them to iTunes, which will then sync those movies to your iPod.

      Mac users can already paste a url into PodTube, and it will download YouTube's .flv files, convert them to .mp4 format, and add them to iTunes, which will then sync those movies to your iPod.

      SUPER is another Windows program that converts .flv files to .mp4 for iPod.

      iSquint is another Mac program that converts .flv files to .mp4 for iPod.

      Every one of the programs I mentioned are freeware.

    13. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by PlasticArmyMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at Apple. There's messageboards out there *cough*ipodlounge*cough* that are pretty much Apple Nazis. You even speak out against the ipod, which granted on an iPod message board is probably a bad thing, and you're screwed.

    14. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Not only that, but anyone who has purchased songs in Microsoft's PlaysForSure scheme have been FUCKED by Microsoft. It's incredible to me that there isn't a larger outcry in the press over this.


      I don't understand your logic. How did anyone that buy PlaysForSure music get "FUCKED by Microsoft?" That would imply that those that bought PFS music would be better off in some way if Micrososft didn't come out with Zune, at all. But that's not the case.

      PlaysForSure still exists, and those that bought PFS music can still buy many PFS players. They won't buy Zunes, but how does that mean that they were "FUCKED by Microsoft"? They can buy still buy PFS players, just as they could before Zune. Only if PFS was being terminated, would they be "FUCKED".

      Also, most PFS users use the subscription model; the nice thing about that model is that you're free to switch services at any time without any loss in investment whatsoever.

      As for MS badmouthing Apple's lock-in model, then choosing it for themselves, they're admitting that Apple's model is more successful. Apple fanboys should be happy at being vindicated (but MS is still offering subscription as well as purchases, so they didn't copy Apple's model entirely.)
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    15. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by FuturePastNow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, what happens if you try to share an MP3 file? Does that get DRMed also? That would suck.

      It might also be illegal. Many podcasts are under a Creative Commons license that specifically prohibits adding DRM to the file. This could get ugly.

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    16. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by countach · · Score: 3, Informative

      >PlaysForSure still exists, and those that bought PFS music can still buy many PFS players. They
      >won't buy Zunes, but how does that mean that they were "FUCKED by Microsoft"? They can buy still
      >buy PFS players, just as they could before Zune.

      Yes you can still buy PFS player... BUT FOR HOW LONG?? Analysts are predicting that Zune won't take iPod market share but it will take the share of non-iPod players. So MS is aiming to sink the PFS community with a new entrant.

    17. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget that the entertainment industry is BUILT on selling people the same crap over and over again...

      True, but this is because of the habbits of the baby boomers were used to... There was no way for them to copy their vinyl to 8 track and then to CD.

      Secondly, there style of music kind of died a while back and since they have no new artists to be on the lookout for so they have incentive to buy that "super enhanced remaster" version of the Beatles for the 32nd time.

      Wheras the younger 80s/90s generation was used to buying CDs and then making mix tapes so they could play in their cars and then this whole MP3 things.

      Being more ADD the younger generation tends to buy new music and only once because it isn't a big deal anymore like it was in the 60s and 70s... And keep in mind that younger generation person may never listen to that song ever again!

      Not that I listen to Spice Girls anymore...

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    18. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by nightgeometry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Looks like MS have thought of that whole can of worms... They don't apply DRM

      We don't actually "wrap all songs up in DRM:" Zune to Zune Sharing doesn't change the DRM on a song, and it doesn't impose DRM restrictions on any files that are unprotected. If you have a song - say that you got "free and clear" - Zune to Zune Sharing won't apply any DRM to that song. The 3-day/3-play limitation is built into the device, and it only applies on the Zune device: when you receive a song in your Inbox, the file remains unchanged. After 3 plays or 3 days, you can no longer play the song; however, you can still see a listing of the songs with the associated metadata.

      So they don't DRM stuff, but there is a 'hard limit' built into the device itself. Apparently.

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    19. Re:Zune Meme Analysis by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Do you know of any programs that will convert a YouTube video straight to MP3?

      I was originally going to post a Windows-only method that involved GraphEdit and some non-standard DirectShow filters, but then a brainfart revealed this cross-platform solution:

      mplayer -vo null -dumpaudio foo.flv && mv stream.dump foo.mp3

      The audio in an .flv file is already MP3 (in every file I've run across, anyway). All you need to do is demux the file and save the audio; MPlayer can do that, and it's available for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux (maybe others, too).

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  6. smells fishy by JJ!x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    2 articles; hmm first ditch the Apple iPhone and than stroke the Zune .. something smells fishy here :-)

    1. Re:smells fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to mention the fact that 4th gen iPod weighed 5.6 oz. and Zune weighs 5.6 oz. Miraculously, Zune is lighter.

  7. sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think he was told to put it down because it was about to squirt.

  8. What if by bcmm · · Score: 5, Funny

    What If Microsoft Made A Media Player And No One Cared?

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  9. OEMs... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 'skin' of the Zune was a 'rubberized' material that had a smooth seductive feel to it.

    Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft contracted out to the RealDoll company for that part.

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  10. That annoying guy in the subway by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the matter with people? Can't they just learn the value of thinking or conversations with complete strangers on long journeys instead of having to be listening to music

    What's the matter with people, can't we just go to work without some stranger harassing us in the bus?
    iPod or no, walkman or not, I've never seen anyone in the bus or the subway start a conversation with a stranger who wasn't politely trying to end the conversation as fast as possible.

    Besidses, some of us can listen to music AND think at the same time. Heck, I can even chew gum and walk on top of that!

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    1. Re:That annoying guy in the subway by Cr33pybusguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      See my knickname? There's always one. Always.

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    2. Re:That annoying guy in the subway by hxnwix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need to get of Boston and visit a city not populated entirely by massholes. Down in New Yawk, lightweight conversations between strangers are not terribly uncommon. The trick is to say something moderately witty, referential to something the stranger is likely to be interested in and non-hostile. Most of the time it goes nowhere, but don't let that bother you. Observe body language, be positive and polite, but not unctuous. Siddle up a little closer, slip a little, bump into the person non-offensively... then go for their wallet.

  11. Zune sounds like a curse word in Hebrew by rminsk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Zune sounds very much like ziyun which is a Hebrew curse word for f***.

    1. Re:Zune sounds like a curse word in Hebrew by Wumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and it doesn't even sound that much like it. I've been reading about the Zune for a while now and the similarity never occured to me. And yes, I'm fluent in Hebrew.

  12. wait by kurtis25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll wait until my Zune automatically recieves audio and video ads from stores I enter. Nothing like walking into a Walmart to have my Zune download an add on it's own which then starts to play through my headphones. I can't wait.

    1. Re:wait by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      audio and video ads from stores I enter

            And I'll bet THOSE won't expire in 3 days...

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  13. Re:Mp3s? by CorporalKlinger · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think he did answer that in the review: "Upon a successful transfer, the music is wrapped with a digital rights management (DRM) layer which will give the user a three day or three-listen license." I would imagine that this is as simple as Microsoft somehow tagging the file within the Zune's filesystem (nobody ever said its file management would follow a standard) to prohibit redistribution of the music to other devices, playing more than three times, or playing after three days. Microsoft has complete control over the platform, after all, so I would assume they went about this the "easy way" by doing something like this. It's similar to what Sony did with Minidisc recorders back in the day. Music recorded through an optical or digital source was not encoded differently on a Minidisc, but was "tagged" in the file system to prevent playback of that track through a digital output connection (to prevent redistribution of nearly-perfect digital copies from player to player to player...)

    Like I said, I'm not a Microsoft schill or anything, and don't care either way about the Zune or whether or not people will use it / like it / stroke it. I'm just interested in the technology and getting the biggest bang for my buck when I eventually purchase a music player. Competition with Apple's iPod from the Microsoft camp can only mean good things for the consumer, regardless which player they choose to purchase.

  14. Bad Article by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who wrote that article? Borat?

    [i]I decided to send them my community member a song. Browsed to my music folder, found to a song and, instead of selecting to play it, I chose to send it.[/i]

    That was to a worst two a sentences I ever look, I choose to read.

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    1. Re:Bad Article by phatvw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yagshamesh. I pray sexytime explosion with rubberized device. Is nice.

  15. It has to be MORE brainless than an iPod by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the iPod is pretty guldurn brainless, aint it? I mean there are some weird things about the interface and how it works with Window, but all in all ok. If Zune is even the slightest bit harder to use or the slightest bit less seamless then I'm afraid most people will abandon it. Even with the iPod all those PDA like functions - I know anyone who uses them, it's too hard to use. But the real iPod media functions are very simple. If I had to relearn a new UI one that was even a little bit clunkier then I would quickly go back to my iPod.

  16. Help me out here... by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the big deal with cover art and screen savers on music players and phones? Do people honestly watch a screen saver for more than 5 seconds before sticking the gizmo in their pocket? Do people actually look at (or care about) cover art? I've always just picked a playlist, hit "play" and put the device back in my pocket. Cover art I view on my PC, but not the music player.

    Same goes for all the hype around the interface? I found the best interface is to create a few playlists on the PC -- which has a real screen and a keyboard -- and move them over. Then, all I really do is pick a playlist which maybe takes 5 seconds in almost any interface. The only other controls I use are volume and stop.

    Do people actually spend that much time fucking around with a music player? Isn't is supposed to like, play music? Or is it a form of entertainment unto itself?

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  17. DISCLAIMER: I have NOT read TFA by thedbp · · Score: 2, Funny

    The quote in the summary sounds like the beginning of those first-person porn stories you find in Hustler.

    Welll, not necessarily YOU, the reader, but a generalized statement that one could, if one were so inclined, find such lurid tales in the pages of magazines such as Hustler. But one is not necessarily you. Although, you may be one and not even know it.

    But that's besides the point. The quote in the summary sounds like the beginning of those first-person porn stories you find in Hustler.

  18. Yeah, yeah... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had expected the player to be fairly heavy, but after holding the Zune in my hand it was clear that I was wrong.

    I could sense it somehow, as if the pully-downey force that makes things fall and me very tired was not affecting the Zune as not much as I expected it not too.

    It is not as light as the latest video iPod, but compared to my fourth-generation iPod, the Zune was lighter.

    Ah ha, thought I. As I go back generations of media player, things get heavier. It was also a tad lighter than a 1952 Bendix steam powered black and white television console, thus adding weight (pun intended!!) to my theory. I plan to compare the Zune to a four ton heiroglyphic slab in Luxor, Egypt when I get the chance.

    The top of the Zune had a clear glass layer while the exterior had a tactile feel to it,

    Tactile. Definition: Perceptible to the sense of touch; tangible. So, yes, the Zune did in fact exist as far as my sensory apparatty and perceptualtudeness could determine.

    The 'skin' of the Zune was a 'rubberized' material that had a smooth seductive feel to it. I found myself unable to stop stroking the device, so much that the demo assistant asked me to put it down."

    He then called the police who took me downtown to a jail cell, and that's where I'm writing thie review now.

  19. Girls Girls Girls, not on Zune. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I meet a girl in a bar, unless it was the starting subject, talk about music is usually scraping near the bottom of the conversation barrel. Even if music is an important subject, what are the odds that said girl will have dumped her $300 Ipod for a Zune and will be able to recieve your music?

    Right on, but it's worse than that. If you do ever meet some kind of rare recorded music groupie, is there any chance in hell they would be impressed by "sharing" a song three times? Like Jobs said, it's much more fun to stick your headphone in her ear.

    Where do you meet people who want to trade music anyway!?

    Class, work, family reunions, anywhere people meet regularly. In that case, anyone who really cares to share or trade is going to haul their laptop, USB disk or non crippled music player. These people are the music industry's best customers, because having something to share brings prestige and CDs are good hard copy backups.

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  20. Ewww!! by chiseen · · Score: 2, Funny

    2old2play?!! can't stop stroking the zune?!! Eww!!!

    1. Re:Ewww!! by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      2old2play is what happens to the shared song on the fourth day. Kind of an apt name.

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  21. Wireless pr0n by kitzilla · · Score: 2, Funny

    I found myself unable to stop stroking the device ...

    Wireless pr0n on-the-go, huh?

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  22. It's all about marketing by mixenmaxen · · Score: 5, Informative
    I couldn't help but notice that the review was awfully positive, and that it, not even once, mentioned the Ipod which would be natural in a review of the Zune. It did, however, mention passport and the xbox - both Microsoft ventures. Thought it smelled fishy, so I did a whois search www.for2old2play.com, the site the review appeared on. And guess what: The domain is registered by Chicagobased SEO and webmarkting company Lytis.

    Here is a blurb from the frontpage of their website:
    "Lytis offers many different strategies to bring more traffic to your site"

    Yep, and they seem to be pretty good at it too ;-)
    1. Re:It's all about marketing by __aawlmn9210 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Love you paranoid applets. Here's the actual site address: http://www.2old2play.com/, by the way. Lytis is the company that "designed and hosts" sites, using Global Compass, Inc. servers. Lytis debuted on 8-03. Your information, while true, is irrelevant. Lytis has no connection with MS- it was hired to get the site titled "2 Old 2 Play" online. It did so. Archives for this marginal, wholly volunteer effort, go back to 3/05. On 4/6/2005, it officially announced in "News" the new 2 Old 2 Play site and there are 5 comments to the post- all spam. Your levels of paranoia are only exceeded by your levels of ignorance. This is an amateur site, hence the site development company. What is it about you applets that makes you this way?

  23. And the Zune accessories by.... by cpatil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Toshiba is also giving away Free Ear Buds and Covers along with the Zune. Car Charger and Sync Cable are expected to be provided by Taiwanese giant, FoxConn. Flextronics expected to provide AV Cable. AsKey will provide all the IR and FM parts.