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Motorola Develops Bare-Bones Phone

tunabomber writes "Whenever a review of the latest cellphone/camera/MP3 player/GPS receiver/fish finder/tazer convergence gadget is posted on Slashdot, the first posters are usually quick to chime in by saying they just want something with decent battery life, reception, ergonomics, etc. Those posters' prayers may now be answered, because Motorola's new 'dumb' phone has been designed with these traits in mind. Notable features include an E Ink display and dual antennae to improve reception. The phone is slated to become available before the end of the year."

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  1. Finally... by slusich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about time. It seems like every basic phone on the market right now is a cheap piece of junk with poor reception and no durability. It's good to see someone taking this niche of the market seriously. It looks like they've put some serious thought into this phone, making it not only useful but stylish.

    1. Re:Finally... by Zarniwoop_Editor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I Agree. I just want a simple phone with decent standby time and excellent reception. I don't need a camera or an MP3 player or a web browser. I just want a phone... seriously.

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    2. Re:Finally... by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      . . .making it . . . stylish.

      i.e., ugly in five years.

      KFG

    3. Re:Finally... by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but now how will I update my MySpace page with videos of me finding fish and stunning them while listening to my favorite trendy band?!

    4. Re:Finally... by jcgf · · Score: 2, Funny

      don't buy this phone ;)

    5. Re:Finally... by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it looks awful, just like almost every other phone Motorola has ever designed. More info on the phone here. Here's a preliminary list of flaws:

      • No cover for the keypad. The #1 complaint non-techies have about phones is accidentally dialing someone.
      • No mechanism for synchronizing contacts with your computer. This means that you have to manually key in your phone book using whatever kludge of an interface they provide.
      • Uses special technology to boost battery life but provides less talk time and less standby timethan my three-year-old Sony Ericsson T616 that does have Bluetooth for synchronizing, plus a camera plus a terrible UI and lots of internet crap that I don't care about....
      • Still has one of those dumb game-controller-style control pads. I shouldn't have to navigate any significant number of menus to get to what I use regularly---that would be the phone book and dialing. If I really need one of those control pads, that tells me that the UI sucks without even having to see it.
      • Keypad in an arc. That may look cute, but it makes it prone to misdialing. Here's a hint, Moto: most people have longer fingers in the middle of their hands, not shorter fingers.
      • Slimmest phone yet. I've already had problems with a Sony Ericsson T616 being so thin that the display gets distorted when I carry it in my back pocket and sit on it. And we're talking about something a fraction that thick? Give me a break.
      • Voice prompts in multiple languages. Two words: battery life. Two more words: privacy problem. Two more words: noisy bus/car/aircraft.
      • Still has the ability to download ringtones. Yes, despite the claim of this being a simplified phone, it's still the same bloated, menu-bound turd of a phone as everything else out there. Simple, my ass.

      Bottom line: they tried to listen to customers and failed as usual. Here's what I want to see in a phone:

      • Readable in any light. Okay, they finally got this one right, at least....
      • Four week standby. This provides enough time that I won't ever have to carry a charger on vacations.
      • 24 hour talk time. See previous point.
      • No camera, internet functionality, IM, text messaging, etc. None of that crap.
      • Simple user interface: if there isn't space for a dedicated button for the feature, drop the feature.
      • Bluetooth synchronization for contacts.
      • A slide switch to lock the phone, just like the hold switch on my iPod... or maybe a sturdy slide cover over the digits that disables all the other functionality except when it is fully open.
      • No large LCD panel at all. It should have about two lines of display---enough for a phone number and a name.

      Things I don't care about:

      • Style---no, it isn't important to most people. It's a phone. It goes in my pocket and stays in my pocket unless I'm using it. I mean, I wouldn't want it to be hot pink, but short of something hideous, it serves a functional purpose and I don't care what it looks like. Who the heck did they survey for this? A bunch of teenage girls?
      • Thickness---who cares? It goes in my pocket. Ditto for every guy I know. Most women I know similarly either carry them in pockets or purses. I'd rather my next phone thicker because it is less likely to snap in half that way.
      • Camera---I have a real camera; 320x240 or even 640x480 looks hideous by comparison.
      • Internet access---costs way too much to be useful.

      Nope. This is more of the same disposable, bloated UI crap that the phone manufacturers have been shoveling at us for the past several years. Don't get me wrong---I'm not surprised that they don't get it, just a bit disappointed.

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    6. Re:Finally... by jbrader · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most people (me included) look pretty foolish when they're speaking on a cell phone. So you're standing there looking blankly off into space, with your hand against your ear blabbing away for all to hear (again, I do it too) yet your worried the the object in your hand, that can only be seen by others if they're standing right next to you, doesn't look cool?

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    7. Re:Finally... by bunions · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Style---no, it isn't important to most people.

      Yes, the market certainly bears out this assertion.

      On a more serious note, due to the degree of eye-rolling induced by reading the quoted comment, I have dislocated my retinas and will be unavailable to respond to further comments for some time.

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  2. Why? by Nemetroid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why so little features? I'd want something more advanced.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you work in any kind of job where security is taken seriously (government contractors, aerospace industry, etc.) they don't permit anyone in with cellphones equipped with cameras, usb, audo recording, etc. Not at the regular employee level at least. This is to combat corporate espionage and other information leaks.

      This is not exactly a "niche" market.

    2. Re:Why? by dubbreak · · Score: 4, Informative
      I think you need to look at the html of the parent post so you can understand it better:
      <joke>Why so little features? I'd want something more advanced.</joke>
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    3. Re:Why? by ricardo_nz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Again...: ------------>Whoosh---------->

  3. let me be the first to say... by omeomi · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...wish it had a camera ;-)

  4. Alternatively... by jolyonr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about I just stick with my old Nokia 6310i

    It's a neat idea to have a feature-free phone. But seriously, there are millions of those going on ebay cheap because silly people are upgrading to a phone that does polyphonic catatonic ringtones, online horoscopes, and realtime 3d su-doku. That's got to be cheaper than buying any new Motorola phone.

    Jolyon

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    1. Re:Alternatively... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People aren't always upgrading their phones for the reasons you mentioned. I have a Razr. Do I use the camera? Nope. Play the games or check my e-mail? Uhn-uh. So why did I get a Razr? It's thin. At the time I got it, it was the thinnest thing available, and I carry around a bunch of equipment, so I'd like each thing to be thin and light.

      There are advances in technology besides squeezing more crap into phones. They can get smaller, thinner, lighter, with better sound and reception. The power consumption might drop giving better battery life. Personally, I wouldn't mind getting an all-in-one device, but not until someone makes one that performs all of it's functions well. In the mean time, give me a small, light, efficient phone that does a good job at being a phone, and I'll buy it.

  5. Not available in the US for the foreseeable future by Buran · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you read the very last paragraph in the article, it states that the phone isn't going to be available in the US unless someone will carry it (and it doesn't have a way for Verizon et al to nickel and dime you to death with photos, ringtones etc, so good luck getting them to do it) or it's sold in drugstores alongside no-name brands, and I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola makes up some BS excuse about how it's beneath Moto to sell that way.

    So for now, those who want just a simple phone (like my mom) are out of luck. Even text messaging and other bells and whistles go unused on her phone.

    On the upside, she got the phone for free with her plan and just doesn't use the features she doesn't want, but she's continually asking me if she gets charged for text messages (not unless it's someone other than T-Mobile who sends them and nobody sends her anything, so I don't see why she worries).

  6. Features? by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wireless. No USB. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

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  7. Re:That could be the case, but .... by jolyonr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Other than maybe needing to get a new battery for an old cellphone, you'll be surprised how well some of the older phones work. My 6310i is the phone I had two "upgrades" ago. When I went back to it I had forgotten that I only ever used to charge it once every two weeks on average and, at least with mine, the battery still works well after 3 years.

    Jolyon

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  8. Mostly there, but not quite. by krell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The number rows (1,2,3) should be in perfect line-up rows on any phone so you don't have to look to hit the numbers. They are mostly lined up here, but there's no reason they could not have gone the rest of the way.

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  9. Bluetooth by AVryhof · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now it just needs bluetooth so I can add one of These

  10. Cyclical markets by ParaphiliaNOS · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fashion has always been a cyclical market.  Trends become fads only to have reactionary movements back to basics.  It's about time for 'popular style' of phones to become phones again.

    We'll never see this product in the states because the article said that they are marketing rechargers powered by bicycling.  What American still does physical activity like that?

  11. Holy scary CTO batman! by RingDev · · Score: 3, Funny

    FTFA: It is well suited in several ways to a phone designed for poor countries, says Motorola's chief technology officer, Padmasree Warrior.

    Padmasree Warrior. Sounds like their board meetings take place in a steel cage with investors chanting "Two man enter! One man leave!"

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  12. eink in the dark? by amigabill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The display is very easy to see even in full sunlight but uses much less energy than an LCD, Wilcox says.

    What if it's dark out? Is there a backlight for use at night, or is it just not seeable then?

    How durable is eink? Article says no glass or plastic cover is needed, will this thing resist wear and tear that might try and ruin it?

  13. I would buy it in a heartbeat by Xthlc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've owned two gadget-laden phones in my life, and I'm still pining for my original StarTac. I never use any of the fancy features on my colorful phones, aside from (every once in a blue moon) text messaging. That, plus the size, plus the E-ink display, plus the green implications of being able to charge my phone during my bicycle commute to work, makes me eager to see this on the market. Although I'll probably have to order it from overseas. :(

  14. Useless without _better_ pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The pictures of this phone actually do it justice - it looks amazing in proportion to the hand. See for yourself. As someone who wants my phone to "just be a phone," I'll be buying one, without a doubt.

  15. Re:Not available in the US for the foreseeable fut by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let me let you in on a secret.

    if it's GSM and triband then you will be able to easily buy one via a secret website...

    www.ebay.com

    dont tell anyone, it's a really obscure place that very few know of.

    I have purchased many cellphones that are not available here from ebay. MY daughter has sported a cellphone that is uber-trendy that oohs and aaahs from classmates on a regular basis from that secret website.

    IF it is available over there, you bet it will be available UNLOCKED on ebay minutes after.

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  16. It's not for you thats why by technoextreme · · Score: 2
    Why so little features? I'd want something more advanced.

    I worked at EInk around the same time this phone was being developed. The main reason why I was told it has so little features was that it's being marketed as a substitue for land lines in certain parts of the world. I actually got to see the phone a while back and it's pretty impressive at how small and cheap this type of technology has become.
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  17. How about... by kerb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Custom built phone? Why not? Computer sellers allows custom built PCs specified by users and this is being done for desktops, servers and laptops. Why not phone as well?

  18. Flashlight! by businessnerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article mentioned a future feature of having an LED flashlight. Now there is a feature I would actually want. Ingenious! How many times have we all tried to use the phones backlit display as a flashlight, why not go all the way and it's so damn simple to implement. Whenever you need a flahslight, you never seem to have one. Cell phone companies (I'm looking at you Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc.) please put this in your phones, be they relatively featureless or featurful. The utility of this far exceeds an mp3 player or video player.

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    1. Re:Flashlight! by Ullteppe · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a high-intensity white LED on my Sony Ericsson K700i. It's intended to be lighting for the built-in camera, but is much more useful as a flashlight (actually, the LED is more useful than the camera). Shame there's no dedicated button, it takes two button presses to turn it on.

    2. Re:Flashlight! by Davey+McDave · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of phones already have these.

      A good example being my phone: http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,46548,00.html

      Decent battery, really easy UI (Nokias are a lot easier to use), flashlight, alarm, texts, big fat buttons you can actually press comfortably. Cheap as all hell too. Looks better in black. Maybe it just hasn't been released in the US yet? A lot of people have this phone in the UK..

      And yes, the flashlight is AMAZINGLY useful, just like the tiny screwdriver I have on my keyring. Not only is it good for screwing things, just as a sharp thin tool.

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  19. Fun Fact! by mybadluck22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Antennae is only appropriate when applied to zoology. The correct term for the plural of radio antenna is "antennas." Source: New Oxford American Dictionary

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  20. But... by Pi_r_ed · · Score: 2, Funny

    But can it run linux?

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  21. ARPU by aberson · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know that $100 phone you bought when you sign up for a new contract? It's really a $300 phone... I don't have a source, but I recall reading somewhere that it takes over a year for the cell company to recoup the cost of the loss-leader phone they gave you.

    "Average Revenue Per User" is the cellular industry term that is key here. The wireless industry does everything it can to eek out every single bit of revenue from each user. Text messages, pictures, ringtones, etc. So, I don't think you'll ever see this phone in the states... there is not even a CHANCE of increasing revenue.

    MAYBE you could see this phone in the pre-paid market, which typically has simpler phones anyway (and higher airtime revenue).

  22. Must have GPS in the USA, right? by Rich+Klein · · Score: 2, Informative

    I didn't see any mention of whether or not it has a GPS receiver. Any cell phone sold in the US is required to have a GPS receiver built in so they can track you, right? That could be one reason why this phone won't be sold in the US.

    It looks pretty cool to me, in any case.

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  23. Yes, but it's still Motorola! by KZigurs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Niiice idea, niiiice... The only problem I see is that little tiny bit that this is done by motorola. So far the only mobile phones company that has consistently failed to deliver at least ONE GOOD HANDSET. Slow menus, bugs and crashes, idiotic features and unusable functionality. Strangely most popular in the good ol' USA.

    Guys, please be so kind, go and get a GOOD phone. Samsung? Sony Ericsson? Nokia? Just whatever. Kill Motorola, please.

  24. Good for grade school students by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some schools are banning cell-phones for students, because of text-message cheating, and the like. But phones like this should not be a problem.

  25. FINALLY! by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, a phone that is simply a *phone* and not an MP3 player/PDA/dildo/surrogate lover/toothbrush/kitchen sink/Swiss army knife. Whoda thunk it?

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