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Aggressive Botnet Activities Behind Spam Increase

An anonymous reader writes, "A spam-sending Trojan dubbed 'SpamThru' is responsible for a vast amount of the recent botnet activity which has significantly increased spam levels to almost three out of every four emails. The developers of SpamThru employed numerous tactics to thwart detection and enhance outreach, such as releasing new strains of the Trojan at regular intervals in order to confuse traditional anti-virus signatures detection." According to MessageLabs (PDF), another contributor to the recent spam increase is a trojan dropper called "Warezov."

194 comments

  1. Someone's making a lot of money from this by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the Securities and Exchange Commission may turn out to be the most appropriate investigative body for SpamThru and its controllers.

    Like many others, SpamThru first showed up on my radar a few weeks ago when a massive pump-and-dump stock spam campaign flooded the inboxes of just about everyone who uses email. They're still at it today, now pumping for ticker EGLY. There's no doubt in my mind that it's the same group of folks responsible for the initial run. All of these spam runs are coming solely through botnets, and the messages - and patterns of messages - share some obvious characteristics.

    SpamThru and the recent barrage of stock scams are inextricably linked, I have no doubt about it. If and when the SEC investigates suspicious trading activity surrounding some of these stocks, they're likely to discover a trail that leads them straight to the folks responsible for SpamThru.

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    1. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      It makes me wonder if the Stock Markets of the world have a plan to deal with this kind of nearly untraceable pump-and-dumping? Will it be illegal to invest in whatever spammed stock you see in your inbox, and dump it before other suckers invest in it based on spams?

    2. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by sjamisoRC · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. The SEC needs to get a hold of ANYONE who makes money on these stocks.
      Eventyally and I mean eventyally they will follow the money trail back to someone they can nail.

      Personally I think the SEC should forcably de-list or begin the de-listing process of any stock that shows up in a SPAM campaign like this.

      -sjamisoRC>

    3. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by a_nonamiss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IANASB, but by the time you read the spam email, it's probably already too late. These people buy stocks before they blast out the spam, and sell them to the suckers that think they are going to get in early and dump later. Now, if you were really clever, you could probably figure a way to make money shorting them, but that would be unethical as well, not to mention very risky.

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    4. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by isometrick · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmmm...

      Hot Stocks-Investor ALERT!!!
      SYMBOL: MSFT
      Timing is everything!
      Profits of 300-400 % EXPECTED
      TRADING SYMBOL: MSFT
      Opening Price: $28.93
      10 Day Target: $66.66

    5. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I think the SEC should forcably de-list or begin the de-listing process of any stock that shows up in a SPAM campaign like this.

      So, you'd have no problem with Microsoft hiring a bunch of third world IT workers to send out spams touting RHAT, GOOG, IBM and LNUX just to get them delisted?

    6. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the best way to spam someone to just put their website address on slashdot?

      http://www.f1newstoday.com/

      Sorry.. could'nt resist

    7. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by argle2bargle · · Score: 1

      Darn, and I had thought some stranger was sending me great insider stock tips!

      I guess I will be dumping my shares now, how will I be able to afford my v1agr1a now?!?!?!

    8. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by Animats · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Somewhere in the list of people who traded the stock in the week or two before the spam run are the ones responsible. They can be found; that's what the U.S. Government's Financial Crimes Information Network is for. If we have to have all this Big Brother stuff, we should get some benefit from it.

      Send those stock spams to SEC Enforcement.

    9. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... yet another dumbass who can't differentiate unsolicited commercial email and web server hits. Imagine that.

    10. Re:Someone's making a lot of money from this by berzerke · · Score: 1

      Now, if you were really clever, you could probably figure a way to make money shorting them...

      Actually, since the touted stocks are always penny stocks (so far that I've seen), they are pretty much impossible to short. There's always naked short selling, but AFAIK, that's illegal (at least I've seen reports where the SEC is promising to crack down on that practice).

  2. I guess IncRease is spelled without R these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's the more streamlined version for our 24 hour on demand e-world... :P

  3. Hold On Here by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now, I know what you're going to say, you're going to say this is a dupe of last week's story, Bot Nets Behind Recent Spam Surge, but it's not. You see, this is Aggressive Botnet Activities Behind Spam Incease. And it's no longer recent--it's a week old.

    So you can call this a dupe, but as you can see, this has clearly changed status from recent to aggressive. Or maybe like code orange to code red, DHS style.

    But please, feel free to karma whore the comments from the old discussion into this one. Seriously, anyone get any new information on this? We've got a named virus but is there anything else new?

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    1. Re:Hold On Here by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      How about, "Non-geeks beginning to be aware botnets behind spam increase" ?

    2. Re:Hold On Here by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This would require /. to be able to post from the future.

      The FAR future.

      How do you know a trojan threat is over? The "mundane" media covers it.

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    3. Re:Hold On Here by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but one story was about bots being behind and increase in spam, while the other is about bots being behind an incease in spam. Totally different topics.

    4. Re:Hold On Here by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we'll one day see some kind of 'internet weather' report just after the sports news and the real-live-outdoor-kind-of-weather report. ;)

  4. Could be a lot worst... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    You could've been slimmed instead of spammed! :P

    1. Re:Could be a lot worst... by taustin · · Score: 1

      You could've been slimmed instead of spammed!

      Given how fat Americans are becoming, I'd think a little slimming would do us some good.

      Oh, you meant slimed!

  5. This needs a tag. by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    I recommend "Duh" for this article.

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    1. Re:This needs a tag. by dch24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you don't like how everything is getting tagged itsatrap, you can tag it !itsatrap, and vote against the tag. Enough !itsatrap votes, and the tag will be taken off the story.

    2. Re:This needs a tag. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      I regret to inform you that all Slashdot tags are being aggressively converted to "itsatrap" starting today.

    3. Re:This needs a tag. by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      wow.. it worked.

      the only tag showing for me is !itsatrap.

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    4. Re:This needs a tag. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind people using itsatrap. But the last 15 stories I've checked or so *ALL* had itsatrap: the MS stories, the voting stuff, the DSLR article (huh?), the spam stories, EVERY SINGLE ONE! Somehow, everything's a trap? It's starting to get real old. If it doesn't change, I'm making a greasemonkey script to remove the tag.

    5. Re:This needs a tag. by alexo · · Score: 1

      If you don't like how everything is getting tagged itsatrap, you can tag it !itsatrap ...

      It's a simple typo.
      The original intent was to mark the stories "itscrap", which is perfectly legitimate, as most SlashDot stories are.

  6. I don't know who.. by xENoLocO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is getting only 75% spam.

    Mine is more like 1 real email for every 200 spam messages...

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    1. Re:I don't know who.. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Without filtering I would be in trouble.
      it I get maybe 5% spam? not too much.
      Every on-line contact has a unique e-mail address, i.e. slashdot.com.1@networkboy.net, once that is on too many spam lists I re-visit the address. If I still need that contact I update the profile and add a new address: slashdot.com.2@networkboy.net, and :blackhole: the old one.
      Naturally if I no longer need the contact (was for a one-time download and such), then off to :blackhole: it goes. Works awesome!
      All the addresses forward to a unique address that is never directly used.
      -nB

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    2. Re:I don't know who.. by Scutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, you may not receive the spam, but it's still sent. It's still consuming network resources in the form of bandwidth and CPU time required to filter it. Right now, my company is filtering around 20,000 messages per day, and we're fairly small, with only around 75 mailboxes.

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    3. Re:I don't know who.. by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I *never* received spam (not even to SpamAssassin). Then, within the last 8 days I have seen it go through the fucking roof. Not only is SpamAssassin ignoring these e-mails (they are registering 1.0 and 2.0) but many of them seem like worthless spam to me.

      If you're going to spam me at least try to sell me something.

      The best is that I'm getting the exact same spams, within seconds, on several mailboxes on different domains at once (work, GMail, and home).

      I can't ban their IP ranges fast enough and when I do I end up blocking stuff like my wife's work IPs.

    4. Re:I don't know who.. by fractalus · · Score: 1

      Well, I've got only a dozen or so mailboxes, and I routinely get 20,000 spams every day. SpamAssassin catches the bulk of them, but 20-50 get through each day and have to be manually sifted.

      I'd love to describe my ideal spammer punishment, but it's NSFW.

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    5. Re:I don't know who.. by vertinox · · Score: 1

      ...is getting only 75% spam.

      Depends. On personal accounts I don't, but on generic emails like info@ and sales@ I get flooded. Keep in mind I've never used these emails to send people emails or register for forums or lists. The simply exist for automation for other things. Spam messages that don't match those automations don't come through.

      I should more than likely change them to something like sales-something123@ but the need isn't really there.

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    6. Re:I don't know who.. by isometrick · · Score: 1
      ... when I do I end up blocking stuff like my wife's work IPs.
      You're sleeping on the couch tonight!
    7. Re:I don't know who.. by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're going to spam me at least try to sell me something.

      The worthless messages are an attempt to poison your spam filters by using many common business, home, and lifestyle related keywords (whether or not these messages are actually effective at confusing the Bayesian filters is an open question). The pitch for "Vla6|2a" and that can't lose stock market "opportunity" will be in a follow on message. It is sort of like in football where there is a lead blocker and fake handoffs to confuse the defense while the ball carrier follows behind them.

      The best is that I'm getting the exact same spams, within seconds, on several mailboxes on different domains at once (work, GMail, and home).I can't ban their IP ranges fast enough and when I do I end up blocking stuff like my wife's work IPs.

      Witness the effectiveness of the Bot Net strategy combined with spamming. It is impossible to filter the spam based upon IP addresses if the spam zombies are extremely well distributed among the different networks on the public Internet. One cannot simply block Nextel, Verizon, and the like because some of their customers have been hijacked into the bot network by a spam trojan. This is why this new strategy is of such concern, because it is a major escalation on the part of the spammers. These asshats need to be dragged out of their dens and pistol whipped by the men in the black with the MP5s and the telescoping batons.

    8. Re:I don't know who.. by misleb · · Score: 1

      I never really understood why people go out of their way to create, delete, and otherwise hassle with "spam" accounts or dummy accounts when you can just have one address with good spam filtering. It just seems like a lot of unnecessary work. I run a Spamassassin gateway that catches nearly all SPAM (80% of all email is blocked). I don't have to worry about keeping my address secret. I use it all over the place. Forums, online transactions, and even Usenet. I see almost no spam. How could some convoluted account manipulation scheme be better?

      -matthew

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    9. Re:I don't know who.. by krebs+junge · · Score: 1

      Where'd you get 75% from? No mention of that in the summary or FA.

      Did you read "increased spam levels to almost three out of every four emails" as 75% spam to each email?

    10. Re:I don't know who.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but what happens when your personal email address, the one these dummy accounts are being forwarded to, gets on the spam lists?

    11. Re:I don't know who.. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      I never really understood why people go out of their way to create, delete, and otherwise hassle with "spam" accounts or dummy accounts when you can just have one address with good spam filtering. It just seems like a lot of unnecessary work. I run a Spamassassin gateway that catches nearly all SPAM (80% of all email is blocked). I don't have to worry about keeping my address secret. I use it all over the place. Forums, online transactions, and even Usenet. I see almost no spam. How could some convoluted account manipulation scheme be better?

      By using such 'spam' accounts to trap spam and feed it to your spam filter for learning?

    12. Re:I don't know who.. by AaronW · · Score: 1

      Only 20K? For a while I was getting 80-100K bounced emails a day because some spammer decided he liked my domain name. Anyway, I only have a handful of accounts I use. Fortunately, all the bounces were blocked by postfix as undeliverable and I didn't even notice the load on my super fast 333MHz Pentium 2 server (no, not fast but my load hovered around 0.05). Sadly, it did kill a couple firewall routers... I think all the logging killed the flash in one router, and the new one would usually crash and burn after 5 minutes (Netgear) until I replaced it with a real router.

      It also looks like RBL is highly effective. It seems to block about 90% of the spam. DSpam then catches at least 90% of anything that makes it through so I maybe see 1-2 spams per day instead of hundreds.

      I also frequently report spam to Spamcop and notify the FEC of the pump and dump scams. I just wish they'd put some serious effort to go after these guys and fine them into oblivion and/or put them in jail.

      -Aaron

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    13. Re:I don't know who.. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when I first installed SpamAssassin on my mail server :)

      Of course today, no matter what I do, the majority still gets through.

    14. Re:I don't know who.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you an idiot or just bad at math/stats?

    15. Re:I don't know who.. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My server is not spending the time filtering it. That's the point of :blackhole: no processing at all. comes to that address? gone.
      I realise that the bandwith is consumed, but I can't really help that. What I can do is ensure that it consumes as few other resources as possible.
      -nB

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    16. Re:I don't know who.. by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      We are running about 90% spam here.. up from 80% a few months ago.

      Latest stats from the servers are
      5.5 connections a week.
      3 million rejected on Block Lists
      2 million caught by spam filters
      500,000 messages let through (still some spam in there too)

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    17. Re:I don't know who.. by networkBoy · · Score: 1
      but what happens when your personal email address, the one these dummy accounts are being forwarded to, gets on the spam lists?
      Excellent question. Easy asnswer: I change it. I have a small script that updates all the forwarders that don't already point at :blackhole: to point at the new root address, then all I do is change thunderbird and I'm good to go.
      only have to do that about once a quarter or so.
      -nB
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    18. Re:I don't know who.. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Mine is more like 1 real email for every 200 spam messages...

      You need better spam filtering. I usually see no more than two or three spams a day in my inbox, usually for weight-loss snake oil. I don't see too many pump-and-dumpers; maybe they're being filtered out more successfully.

      That's not to say that my server isn't getting bombarded with spam. For the first half of today, qmail-smtpd recorded 1054 attempts at receiving a message from somebody. Of those, only 235 were let through as legit. I've fired only two of those off to SpamCop, so that means 99%+ of what gets into my inbox is legit.

      Of the 819 that were blocked by rblsmtpd (that'd be ~78% of inbound mail attempts), 609 were blocked for bad reverse DNS (567) or a known dynamic IP address (42). Of the remainder, 133 were listed at Spamhaus, 74 were listed at SpamCop, and 3 were listed at blackholes.us.

      These numbers are for what's basically a personal server; only I receive mail through it at this time. Most of the (legit) traffic is from various email lists to which I'm subscribed. I'd think the numbers would scale up for a server that's used by a larger number of people, though.

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    19. Re:I don't know who.. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, you may not receive the spam, but it's still sent.

      That may not be entirely true, depending on where and how the filtering is done. If you're using qmail and its rblsmtpd, an SMTP session from an RBL-listed host gets cut off with a 451 before the sender starts sending the message. The exchange looks something like this:

      220 alfter.us ESMTP
      HELO spammer.com
      250 alfter.us
      MAIL FROM: spammer@spammer.com
      250 ok
      RCPT TO: me@alfter.us
      451 Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?65.54.195.216

      After that, the connection is closed. The spammer hasn't had a chance to start sending yet. It's still using some CPU time and a small amount of bandwidth, but not nearly as much as with an anti-spam countermeasure that acts on the message only after it's been received in full (like anti-spam software on your desktop).

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    20. Re:I don't know who.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you guys are lucky.. I only get spam.. nobody sends me legitimate emails.. I even tried to advertise my address on many respectables sites hoping to receive a letter or a postcard , but nothing.. they just want me to sell stuff.. and I don't need most of those stuff

    21. Re:I don't know who.. by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      An idiot. It looks like he doesn't know the difference between an "email" and an "email address".

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    22. Re:I don't know who.. by misleb · · Score: 1
      By using such 'spam' accounts to trap spam and feed it to your spam filter for learning?


      Still, why bother? I mean, unless you are developing SA rules or reporting to public blacklists. The default Spamassassin rules alone are pretty good. Add in SARE and some other public rules sets and you don't even need learning. I used to use bayesian learning but found that it was much more maintenance than it was worth. Quite the opposite of what I originally thought. I thought maintaining SA rules would be a pain, but it is actually simpler than managing huge dictionaries.

      -matthew
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    23. Re:I don't know who.. by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 0

      How about you stop spamming us all with your useless initials at the bottom of your posts? Use the signature. That's what it's there for. Anybody who cares who posted your comment can see it in the header, and a lot of us have sigs blocked for a reason. Your petty, immature, egotistical signature in your post breaks the flow of reading.

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    24. Re:I don't know who.. by misleb · · Score: 1
      Reminds me of when I first installed SpamAssassin on my mail server :)

      Of course today, no matter what I do, the majority still gets through.


      Then your setup is broken. Works great here, even today. I did get a couple of the stock pump-n-dump scams a few days ago (possibly related to the botnet from the article), but a little tweaking took care of that.

      -matthew
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    25. Re:I don't know who.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing,
      you showed up as a freak...
      yup, you're a freak. Also not adding you as a foe so :P
      -nB <-- just for you this time freak boy.

    26. Re:I don't know who.. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      unless you are developing SA rules or reporting to public blacklists. The default Spamassassin rules alone are pretty good. Add in SARE and some other public rules sets and you don't even need learning. I used to use bayesian learning but found that it was much more maintenance than it was worth. Quite the opposite of what I originally thought. I thought maintaining SA rules would be a pain, but it is actually simpler than managing huge dictionaries.

      A bayes filter only works when you have enough good data to feed it with. If you can automate that, a bayes filter makes for an excelent addition to the other spam detection methods that spam assassin offers. Automating the learning part means very little maintenance also. At any rate, spamassassin supports bayes as you probably know, making good use of it does not depend or conflict with whatever spamassassin rulesets you happen to use as long as you do add a few statements to your local.cf file, in other words, it is on top of, not instead of.

    27. Re:I don't know who.. by dotgain · · Score: 1

      You should disable pipelining if you're getting that many emails from only 5.5 connections per week!

    28. Re:I don't know who.. by Fred_A · · Score: 1
      The default Spamassassin rules alone are pretty good.
      They are the ones the spammers test against to make sure their stuff gets through though.
      They can download spamassassin too.
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    29. Re:I don't know who.. by amorsen · · Score: 1

      Of the 819 that were blocked by rblsmtpd (that'd be ~78% of inbound mail attempts), 609 were blocked for bad reverse DNS (567) or a known dynamic IP address (42). Of the remainder, 133 were listed at Spamhaus, 74 were listed at SpamCop, and 3 were listed at blackholes.us.

      So basically 609 of those could easily have been legitimate messages. Your setup may be good for you, but it would throw away way too much legitimate mail for a business. Oh and the "known dynamic IP address" list contains lots of statically assigned addresses.

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    30. Re:I don't know who.. by misleb · · Score: 1
      A bayes filter only works when you have enough good data to feed it with.


      The bayes filter that I've used, DSPAM, didn't work as well when it was heavily weighted towards SPAM. Even the 80% spam I (would) get today would be too much. Having a whole separate spam trap would be overkill.

      At any rate, spamassassin supports bayes as you probably know, making good use of it does not depend or conflict with whatever spamassassin rulesets you happen to use as long as you do add a few statements to your local.cf file, in other words, it is on top of, not instead of.


      Unless by adding a few statements to local.cf, you mean add weight to the Bayes tests, I don't think the bayes support in SA is very useful. I don't remember the scoring off hand, but I think it is only like +1.5 even for 99% certainty. Enough to push a few edge cases over the threshold, but not very significant when most spam scores 10+ from all the other rules. Also, it is a server wide/shared bayes dictionary (at least when set up with amavisd). Group dictionaries are not nearly as effective as personal dictionaries. To have a truely effective bayes filter, you need to maintain a dictionary for each and every user. And THAT is some pretty big resources. When I was using DSPAM, i had to dedicate a database server just for the user dictionaries. Big pain in the ass.

      -matthew
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    31. Re:I don't know who.. by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      Of the 819 that were blocked by rblsmtpd (that'd be ~78% of inbound mail attempts), 609 were blocked for bad reverse DNS (567) or a known dynamic IP address (42).

      So basically 609 of those could easily have been legitimate messages. Your setup may be good for you, but it would throw away way too much legitimate mail for a business.

      A properly-configured mail server will have a valid PTR record. It's not going to sit on a dynamic IP address, either, since you'd have to change MX records every time the address changes. Other than incompetent admins, the only people likely to try sending mail directly from those addresses are spammers, whether directly or by compromising someone else's box ("my other computer is your Windows desktop").

      If you're on a dynamic IP, use your ISP's mail server. (They might well force you to use theirs...I know Cox blocks TCP port 25 outside its network for residential accounts.) If you (or they) don't have properly-configured DNS info, fix it.

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    32. Re:I don't know who.. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      >Unless by adding a few statements to local.cf, you mean add weight to the Bayes tests, I don't think the bayes support in SA is very useful. I don't remember the scoring off hand, but I think it is only like +1.5 even for 99% certainty.

      Indeed enabling it and setting some more usefull scores for it are the changes needed in local.cf, you can even do this on a per user basis in their user_prefs

      Enough to push a few edge cases over the threshold, but not very significant when most spam scores 10+ from all the other rules.

      I tend to set 99% certainty to exactly match the spam tresshold, whith 0% certainty reducing the score with approx half of the spam tresshold.

      On one of the mailservers I maintain, we process approx 250k messages/day, where about 157 out of every 10000 messages are not spam. Usually there is 1 spam message that gets through, and there are no known false positives. bayes seems to be relevant for approx 8% of the messages (messages that without bayes would score below the tresshold but are correctly detected as spam now, as well as messages that would end up just over the tresshold if it wasn't for bayes). The difference between missing 1 out of every 9843 spam messages or having some 800 out of 10000 messages that are either wrongly marked as spam, or are spam that stays undetected, is rather substantial

      Matter of fact is, I also do maintain my own sa rules, in a corperate environment using an external 'rules du jour' concept for something like email is not acceptable, it is too big of an unknown factor on what is considered by the company to be an important information channel.

      Also, it is a server wide/shared bayes dictionary (at least when set up with amavisd).

      I use spamass-milter. amavisd is nice if you want an integrated virus and spam scanner/blocker, but it does not provide me a fraction of the flexibility that I need. Yes, I do use amavisd, but purely for running virus scans with different scanners (for that it is really good). What I miss for example is the possibility to change the order of spam and virus scanning.

      spamd and spamc (used in the background by spamass-milter) can pass user and domain name if so desired, and you can use this to retrieve per-user settings for sa, including the bayes database.

      Those can be stored in a variety of ways, including as simple files in the filesystem on the machine where spamd runs, in ldap (which is what we use since we already need it for many other things anyway), or an sql database.

      Group dictionaries are not nearly as effective as personal dictionaries. To have a truely effective bayes filter, you need to maintain a dictionary for each and every user. And THAT is some pretty big resources. When I was using DSPAM, i had to dedicate a database server just for the user dictionaries. Big pain in the ass.

      Aha? I have not looked at dspam for quite some time, but for the setup and scale I have described here, we don't need a dedicated database server, just a few extra attributes in ldap. If you don't have ldap, files on the local filesystem should work for most smallish setups, but you may of course want to put it in a database for other reasons still if you already have one anyway.

      At any rate, thanks for your replies, I can somewhat imagine that for my situation this is easier to do then for someone who isn't already spending quite a bit of time on smtp servers anyway.

      Oh, and yes, as you might have gathered from me using spamass-milter, I am using sendmail, not postfix. milter support being the big historical reason for that, but as I understand, postfix is catching up in this area, so maybe this will actually be a legacy 'argument' someday. I hope so, whereas sendmail is inmensely usefull for someone like me (it is a sortof swiss army knife for handling mail), it is complete overkill in many cases, and as a result over complicated and difficult to configure and run securely for many whom didn't make smtp servers an important part of their job.

    33. Re:I don't know who.. by misleb · · Score: 1
      Aha? I have not looked at dspam for quite some time, but for the setup and scale I have described here, we don't need a dedicated database server, just a few extra attributes in ldap. If you don't have ldap, files on the local filesystem should work for most smallish setups, but you may of course want to put it in a database for other reasons still if you already have one anyway.


      In LDAP? Are you serious? With DSPAM, dictionaries grew to be tens of megabytes per user. I wasn't even aware that LDAP was capable of indexing attributes that large. You can't query LDAP like you can SQL or even BDB. I imagine for each mail scan, you'd have to download the entire user's dictionary from the directory. That sounds HORRIBLY inefficient. Or is there some capability of LDAP that I am missing?

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    34. Re:I don't know who.. by amorsen · · Score: 1

      A properly-configured mail server will have a valid PTR record.

      Define valid. If you just mean a record that you can resolve to an A record with the same IP address, then yes, your statement is true. Quite a few people do stricter checks than that, and it throws away a lot of legitimate mail.

      It's not going to sit on a dynamic IP address, either, since you'd have to change MX records every time the address changes.

      Change A records, actually, but the lists of dynamic IP addresses are full of non-dynamic addresses. Anything DHCP-assigned or even somewhat close to an address that is DHCP-assigned counts as dynamic, at least to a certainly popular RBL.

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    35. Re:I don't know who.. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      In LDAP? Are you serious?

      Hmm, have been looking somewhat closer, and it does in fact store the actual data in an sql database, not in ldap. It does retrieve rules and other configuration information from ldap. Somehow I thought it stored the bayes data there as well.

      As a sidenote, the average size of the bayes data for our users seems to be around 5mb split over 3 'files', so it is by far not as bad as your dspam experience would suggest, but it is at least 20x larger then what is advisable, and it would perform badly with many users.

  7. human error by varunvnair · · Score: 2, Funny

    And human error behind typo "incease"!

    1. Re:human error by D4rk+Fx · · Score: 1

      I blame CowboyNeal. Oh, and kdawson for being a crappy editor.

  8. simple solution by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1

    join more mailing lists :-)

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  9. enforcement@sec.gov by RT+Alec · · Score: 4, Informative

    Forward the message to mailto:enforcement@sec.gov. Use Thunderbird or another mail client that does not strip or mangle the original headers (like Outlook does).

    The SEC will devote significant resources investigating and often prosecuting the people who are behind these scams.

    1. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by XSforMe · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are using outlook, you can use OLSpamCop to rescue the headers and report to pretty much anyone any spam (including enforcement@sec.gov). It is a free download available here: http://www.olspamcop.org/doc.shtml#install

      But I seriously doubt the SEC will be interested in origin of the SPAM. More likely they will do an audit on the fraudulent symbol. It usually is much more effective than tracing the origin of the spam, and it is more likely asses will get busted and the criminals (the people who proffit from the poor schmucks buying the stock) will get sent to jail.

      Nevertheless, if you want to report and spam, use spamcop so we can mitigate the damage done from the source before it pumps more shit onto the net.

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    2. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      LOL! A government entity giving a fuck about something? That'll be the day.

    3. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forward the message to enforcement@sec.gov

      Wouldn't the good people at the SEC being getting enough examples delivered directly to their own work and home email addresses? The flood of this junk is getting pretty thick.

    4. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by inviolet · · Score: 1
      LOL! A government entity giving a fuck about something? That'll be the day.

      I understand the sentiment... but, isn't it usually our complaint that they poke thumbs into too many pies that would be better left to market forces?

      Remember, market forces (and 'tit for tat' in general) have a tough time dealing with sophisticated frauds, especially when the perpetrators remain anonymous. Force and fraud are the very reason why we need a government.

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    5. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by RT+Alec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am not familiar with OLSpamCop, as I do not use Outlook. I am familiar with SpamCop, and how they need the detail in the headers to be intact, so I would guess that this is a workable solution.

      If we take the profit out of spam, we will see less spam. To date, pump and dump spam bombs work, so the scammers continue to hire spammers to flood our inboxes. Without getting caught, the risk to scammer and spammer is zero. With the SEC pursuing the scammers, the scam becomes less profitable due to the increased risk. With less profit, there is less to pay the spammers, and thus (hopefully) less spam.

      I met an SEC investigator at a social event not too long ago, and it did not take long for the conversation to turn to this subject. She said they take this very seriously, and submitted P&D spam has allowed them to prosecute quite a few scammers. The earlier into such a campaign, the better, so they can start monitoring as soon as possible.

    6. Re:enforcement@sec.gov by galaad2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      for reporting spam in thunderbird just use the Okopipi extension

      https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2672/

      it's great for reporting spam that gets through the spam filters.

      Can be used for reporting spam to SpamCop, the FTC, FDA, SEC, ACMA (Australia) and / or Knujon.com. It also allows you to put in your own custom addresses to report spam to such as your ISP or corporate abuse address.

      What i like about it is that it bunches all the spam in a single report mail with all the spam messages as attachments.
      Also, i filter my spam in separate junk folders for SEC / FDA / others and i report to them just the appropriate crappola.

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  10. dupe checking by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sites like freerepublic avoid dupes like this by having a rule that the subject of the article be used for the posting. Then, checking for a dupe is just a matter of a search for the exact same subject. Its simple and works a lot better.

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    1. Re:dupe checking by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, there are protections in place, but Aggressive Botnet Activities are Behind this Dupe Increase. You just can't fight numbers!

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  11. What i don't get by Programmer_In_Traini · · Score: 1

    What i don't get is why spam is still an issue in this day and age of the internet.

    The reason behind spam is simple : it works.

    i mean.... it just goddamn works... why otherwise would company pay hundreds of thousands to defend themselves legally and invest in various ways to get to our inbox ?

    There are stupid people out there buying from those guys, or whatever product they are advertising.

    If you cut the money income, you cut the spam...

    instead of spending $$$ and time trying to prevent spam from arriving in our inbox we should spend that money and time educating the crowd that "spamware" is most of the time just a way to get money out of your pocket with no real return value.

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    1. Re:What i don't get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are only half right...

      "If you cut the money income, you cut the spam..."

      I think you are totally right on this one. Spam exists because there is money in it.

      "The reason behind spam is simple : it works."

      Again, I agree, but not in the way you think.

      It doesn't necessarily work for the advertisers - it works for the spammers! Spammers get paid money to send out advertisements for someone else. The more they send, the more they get paid. It doesn't matter much if there are actually any sales made from that barrage.

      So, a new business wants to jump on the viagra clone market, it hires a spammer, the spammer sends out 5 million e-mails (by whichever means possible - hijacked mail servers, bots, whatever). Now, if the sleazy viagra clone makes some sales, it might send out another barrage if there was enough income. But if it decides not to, guess what? There is another new viagra clone company waiting in line to pay the spammer to send out another barrage of spam. Were any sales made? Maybe, maybe not. But there are always idiots out there who think they can jump start their new business by sending out spam. And THAT'S where the money is.

    2. Re:What i don't get by rduke15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      instead of spending $$$ and time trying to prevent spam from arriving in our inbox we should spend that money and time educating the crowd

      I see you don't know much about that part of "the crowd" who falls for the spammers/phishers/etc. tricks.

      Even if you could educate them all, new suckers are born every day.

      The sad thing about it is that among them, there are even nice and clever people, who just have the particularity to be ignorant and naive in front of a computer...

    3. Re:What i don't get by jfengel · · Score: 1

      You're trying to hold back the ocean with a broom on this one. Spam works only because the margins are so small. The emails are essentially free because they're using somebody else's computer to do the work. So it takes only a trivial response rate to make it worth their trouble to annoy every single person on the planet. (Well, at least the 20% or so of them with net access.)

      It is astonishing that anybody with an IQ high enough to operate a computer would buy v1@.gra, but the fact is the bell curve goes way, way off to the left. Experience is the best teacher, so I hope whoever that dipstick is he at least won't do it twice. It's not very fast, but I don't know how you educate somebody that dumb in the first place.

      Meantime, we're going to have to spend time and money getting the crap out of our own inboxes, and diverting that money to education projects is going to be aggravating in the short run with no guarantee of help in the long run.

  12. Spam not just in email anymore by British · · Score: 1

    Everyone's aware of the excessive spamming on myspace. Hell, I almost think the powers at be at myspace are getting a kickback with the incredible abuse.

    But just yesterday I got a 419 email(but with French context, instead of Nigerian) on my Youtube messaging system. He/she even wrote back, regardless of the fact I posted a comment on the account saying "best 419 scammer ever!", that everyone can see.

    I'll be expecting facebook spam sometime soon. Er, maybe not.

  13. Not so much regular spam, but 419 by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I haven't seen an influx of the viagra/mortgage spam as much as I've seen a sharp increase in the number of 419 scam emails of varying degrees. One of them is an account that used to get spam only very rarely. I theorize that someone else on the email service fell for the scams and word got around that there are plenty of mugus ripe for the plucking if you spam this domain.

    Has anyone else seen a rise in the amount of this type of spam?

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    1. Re:Not so much regular spam, but 419 by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 0

      I've seen the Great Pumpkin, he lives on a farm in Jersey.

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    2. Re:Not so much regular spam, but 419 by otacon · · Score: 1

      You know I had only got one 419 scam maybe 4 years ago on hotmail. Then just recently I've got maybe half a dozen on a gmail account that hardly gets spammed at all. I thought it was just me.

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    3. Re:Not so much regular spam, but 419 by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      The email address I originally mentioned is also used for my Monster.com account and gets its own share of scammers: MLM/Amway/Quixtar, Primerica (where they misleadingly identify themselves as Citigroup Financial Services), and check wire scammers.

      The latter poses as a legit job doing payment processings where checks come in with the understanding that they are deposited, a percentage skimmed as a commission, and the remainder wired back to your "employers". Never mind that the checks are either bogus and you're out money or they're payments from fraudulent activities that you'll take the fall for once the authorities come knocking.

      Apparently, people are falling for them if they keep sending them.

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  14. Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its time we force ISPs to pull the plug on infected client machines or block entire ISPs. There is no valid argument to support end users who refuse to clean up their machines. The argument that either they are not responsible for the infection or are unable to clean their own machines is crap. If end users don't know how to maintain their equipment then perhaps they should be off the net.

    Look at a car as an example. If I refuse to do or pay for routine maintenance it will begin to create more and more pollution and use more and more fuel. Is it the manufactures job to fix it, no, is it the road builders job, no, is it the jerks that sold me crappy fuel, only if I can catch them. So when I fail smog tests I need to either quit using the car or pay to fix it. Might not be the best analogy.

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    1. Re:Time to pull the plug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We've had this argument OVER and OVER again. ISP's WILL NOT start knocking people off their nets. Why would they? They are the CUSTOMER !!! Let's see... I'm an ISP. I have LOTS of customers with spyware on their machines. They end up sending tons of emails. So I'll shut them off, lose some significant portion of them as customer, STOP GETTING PAID by them? And how exactly does this benefit me?

      It doesn't. If they are on dialup, the just sign up with another company. DSL? Sign up with another DSL provider, or Cable...

      Why would my business model include the stopping of service to my own customers???

    2. Re:Time to pull the plug by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Look at a car as an example. If I refuse to do or pay for routine maintenance it will begin to create more and more pollution and use more and more fuel. Is it the manufactures job to fix it, no, is it the road builders job, no, is it the jerks that sold me crappy fuel, only if I can catch them. So when I fail smog tests I need to either quit using the car or pay to fix it.

      If most cars using a component from one manufacturer, say Visteon, began failing emissions tests three minutes after you started it following the instructions in the owners manual, there would be a recall, regardless of whether or not the driver noticed how bad it was before their warranty expired. If half of all cars on the road did not meet emissions standards, do you think the government would or could force all of them to stop driving those cars?

    3. Re:Time to pull the plug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hence legislation is needed to force all ISPs to do this. Yeah it's more intrusive than I'd ideally like, but it seems there's no other realistic solution. Some big Nordic ISPs already do this, infected machines are 'quarantined' to an internal web page with an explanation and links to tools to try and remove the trojan/worm/whatever.

    4. Re:Time to pull the plug by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
      Its time we force ISPs to pull the plug on infected client machines or block entire ISPs.

      Who compensates them for lost revenue? Let's say they have 1000 infected machines @ $30 / month and they kill them - That's over one-third-of-a-million dollars in lost revenue in one year.

    5. Re:Time to pull the plug by cr0sh · · Score: 1

      Read the TOS of your provider - most have language to the effect that if you (which I read as "the machine(s) which you control") use their service to send malicious or illegal content, or to use the system in a way which is detrimental to the network as a whole, that your service can be cut off. Sadly, despite this claim in the TOS, they rarely enforce it (because as you note, AC, it makes them money - even though bandwidth for such activity must be through the roof).

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    6. Re:Time to pull the plug by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      You sir, have rediscovered the principle long known as the "blacklist", or "Realtime Black List" or RBL. There are quite a number of these: a quick google search turns up well over 4 MILLION PAGES devoted to the subject of "rbl".

      Yes, us Mail Admins have been using these for years. And they work well, probably reducing load by some 70% or so. But they have their problems, and aren't 100% effective. If you block 70% of spam from a source of email that's 85% spam, you still have 50% of your inbox being spam. And that's about what I see...

      PS: Your analogy is awful. Next time you aren't sure, there's this neat button called "Del" you might want to pay attention to...

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    7. Re:Time to pull the plug by raddan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, here's the valid argument: common carrier status. ISPs are going to argue that it shouldn't be their responsiblity. This is where your analogy fails-- ISPs are the road; your machine is the car. LIke you said, the road builders have nothing to do with your shitty car.

      But yeah, SPAM is a scourge. We need to treat it like one. Microsoft desperately needs to clean up their act. Someone I met recently called Windows a "virus runtime environment". It got some chuckles, but it's also true.

    8. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Well then this would pretty much fall on Microsoft's shoulders.

      But I still think people should be held responsible, people should realize that there is a problem with their computer when a million pop-ups flood their screen or their computer starts moving like molasses in January. Biggest problem is most users are dumber then a sock full of hammers!

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    9. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Make it up in service calls, some one needs to go out and re-install widows and all the service packs. Also in the long run you would reduce equipment and bandwidth costs not to mention personnel costs.

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    10. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Give me a better analogy and no the more I look at the more it works. Essentially I was using it to show that the owner is responsible for the performance of his/her equipment. Believe me if your spewing smog out of your tail pipe in California the government could care less about why, they just tell you to FIX IT NOW or PARK IT!

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    11. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      The government is the road, if your equipment does not come up to standards then your not driving, in theory. I was behind a VW bus in Aracta yesterday spewing enough crap to run my Honda if I just connect a pipe to his exhaust.

      I think it's in the ISP's best interest to start pruning these bots before the Feds or states decide they need to step in. And they will.

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    12. Re:Time to pull the plug by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      But I still think people should be held responsible, people should realize that there is a problem with their computer when a million pop-ups flood their screen or their computer starts moving like molasses in January.

      Why? That is normal. Should people realize their is a problem when their TV shows are interrupted every 15 minutes by ads?

      People assume a free market is operating because the US economy i founded on this and technically, our laws are supposed to be ensuring that it is happening. They incorrectly assume that if their was a better browser than IE, most computer manufacturers would bundle it with their computer, just as they assume that if there is a engine that uses less gas and costs less and has more power, car manufacturers would include it in most cars sold. The difference is, MS has a monopoly and uses it to prevent the best products from being chosen. The law is supposed to stop them, but it is not being enforced because MS gave a lot of money to a lot of corrupt people.

      Biggest problem is most users are dumber then a sock full of hammers!

      I really don't think so. Most infections involve no user interaction and there is no obvious sign to the user that they are infected. Even with trojans, people don't know the computer has an all or nothing security model and assume it does not since that is a crappy model for the current environment. They are ignorant, not dumb. Some people I know who have had their computer infected include brilliant physicists, biologists, and even a very, very well known and respected computer security expert. You don't have to be dumb, you just have to uninformed or careless and make some reasonable assumptions about the quality of Windows and our economy.

    13. Re:Time to pull the plug by ewhac · · Score: 1
      ISPs are the road; your machine is the car. LIke you said, the road builders have nothing to do with your shitty car.

      What if the car, instead of having normal rubber tires, has steel spikes that gouge holes out of the road, ruining it for everyone? Surely the road owner/steward would have something to say about allowing that car or "tires" of that type on the road.

      Schwab

    14. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Normal? Hardly, first pop-up my dad had on his Dell had him on the phone to me for support. He's a novice user but even he saw the pop-up as an abuse. TV ads are used to support the medium and have been with use as such almost from the beginning. The second infection my Dad got slowed his machine, it was a bot, and again he had enough sense to call for help.

      When you are ignorant as to the effect your computer is having on me and the rest of the internet community, you ignore the signs ( I can't tell you how often I've heard "It's sooooooo much slower then when I bought it, maybe the internet is full") and refuse to at least try and understand then you don't need a computer. Go use one a the library.

      Years ago I worked for the parent company of Packard-Hell err Bell, or boss used to send to phone support at PB instead of writing us up. I went once and just about slit my wrists. Yes the equipment was crap but even crap needs to be plugged in before you complain to me that its dead and won't turn on.

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    15. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Better analogy, and if the driver was even remotely aware there was a problem he should fix it or get off the road. Actually their called snow chains and you do get smacked if you run them on clean roadway.

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    16. Re:Time to pull the plug by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Normal? Hardly, first pop-up my dad had on his Dell had him on the phone to me for support.

      If you take a random sampling of home computer users, something like 80% of them will be using IE on Windows and they will be getting pop-ups regularly. Half of them will be infected with some sort of malware. When these people go talk to each other, pop-ups and malware symptoms are normal behavior for modern computers.

      TV ads are used to support the medium and have been with use as such almost from the beginning.

      That's not the point. Advertising everywhere and being increasingly prevalent is normal for our culture and while ads are common on TV (most channels) pop-ups are common for Web browsing (most people's computers). The underlying economics of it does not come into play and none of this is going to make a normal, ignorant individual conclude something is wrong.

      When you are ignorant as to the effect your computer is having on me and the rest of the internet community, you ignore the signs ( I can't tell you how often I've heard "It's sooooooo much slower then when I bought it, maybe the internet is full") and refuse to at least try and understand then you don't need a computer. Go use one a the library.

      That's your proposed solution? Most computers get malware so we should change everyone's habits and have them abandon the home computer market and go to the library? Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. How about instead, we enforce the laws we have on the books, so that Microsoft (and whatever other company is formed when we split MS up) are motivated to make machines that are relatively resistant to malware instead. Doesn't that seem a lot easier and better than trying to change the way most of the population behaves?

    17. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      I just looked at mine and thats what it says. The ISPs should use this as a business opportunity. They ID a problem client, send him a email/snail mail/call whatever giving him a stated number of days to fix the issue or get the plug pulled. Include links/info on cleaning up their machine and offer a service to go do it. In larger metro areas ISPs could partner with an outside service to just clean PC's.

      Now before anyone accuses me of taking advantage of the poor infected end-user remember he is causing trouble for the ISP and he will need to find someone to clean his machine simply to regain control and enjoy the whole surfing experience! I can see the whole process for IDing the bot to fixing it becoming very smooth and efficient.

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    18. Re:Time to pull the plug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not what common carrier is.

      Check out your TOS sometime.

    19. Re:Time to pull the plug by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Well most of the people I speak with seem aware they have a problem, they know that web pages and pop-ups are happening outside of their control. Frankly you can only use so much Viagra.

      I expect banner ads or pop-ups some what relevant to the pages I'm visiting, not porn, poker or penis enlargement ads. Most others do as well. As for some paralles with T.V. I don't see it. Most people feel they should have control of their web surfing while with T.V. they simply tun on a channel they think they want to watch and go along for the ride. If they don't have Tivo they simply watch the ads. Spambots, spam and pop-ups at best represent the least desirable part of ad revenue, at worst they are a criminal enterprise and should be treated as such. The economics do nothing to benefit the medium they only enrich the sender.

      And no I don't expect anyone to go to the library to surf, those keyboards are icky with germs! But I would love to see some real education for these users. If that has to be by losing their internet till they clean up then so be it.

      I only see this getting worse as these things burrow deeper into the OS. Maybe Vista will help.

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    20. Re:Time to pull the plug by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Well most of the people I speak with seem aware they have a problem, they know that web pages and pop-ups are happening outside of their control.

      Sure, but they don't know how to avoid having that condition recur or even if it can be changed.

      Spambots, spam and pop-ups at best represent the least desirable part of ad revenue, at worst they are a criminal enterprise and should be treated as such.

      Sure, but that does not address why people don't move to better solutions that protect them from these undesirable ads. Most people assume there is no way to avoid them, or that technology would be included with the really expensive computer they bought last week.

      But I would love to see some real education for these users. If that has to be by losing their internet till they clean up then so be it.

      I'm all in favor of user education, but once computers are improved to the level that such education is reasonable. If an expert in computer security with a PhD and a decade of experience in the field still occasionally gets their machine compromised by a random worm, how can you expect an average user to avoid it? Well you just have to constantly run updates, buy a hardware device to go between your cable modem and your computer, install a second user account and use that account when you run downloaded software or files, and follow the news to know what to avoid when there are zero day exploits, like right now. Does that seem like a reasonable amount of education for someone who wants to send e-mail and look at news sites and porno images every now and again? I don't think so.

      I only see this getting worse as these things burrow deeper into the OS. Maybe Vista will help.

      Vista is way too little, way too late, way too poorly implemented. Microsoft is 5-10 years behind where they should be for security. And they don't care because it doesn't touch their bottom line. They'll fix the security as soon as it makes them a pile of money and not before. Break Microsoft up into two OS companies and an applications company. Forbid any unmonitored communications between them. With two companies both with complete rights to the Windows code, the one that delivers a secure PC to customers first, at a lower price will be rich, rich, rich. The other will be less rich and all the other OS's will have a chance to compete as well. Suddenly instead of Microsoft providing whatever security is convenient you have five major companies competing to make money by trying to make the best, most secure solution. The innovation brought by competition has brought new and better products again and again. Lets let it work by enforcing the law and letting greed combined with a capitalist free market work for the people.

    21. Re:Time to pull the plug by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the ISP might lose Common Carrier status.

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    22. Re:Time to pull the plug by TropicalCoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its time we force ISPs to pull the plug on infected client machines or block entire ISPs

      Of course we have heard that the ISPs won't go after their own customers, but I have another idea. Why don't we simply bombard these ISPs with requests to please stop forwarding spam to us? I mean in a big way - as individuals through something like Blue Frog tried to do - not just a polite note from an upstream carrier. Has anyone considered that? Many of us were so encouraged by Blue Frog's efforts - until they got put out of business by the spammers. Their efforts failed, because they went directly after the spammers who turned out to be too powerful an adversary. But why don't we go after the ISPs? Certainly they have to accept some responsibility, if not all of it. It's really the ISP who is sending us the spam in the end, isn't it? They are paid agents of their customers, in effect frequently being paid to relay spam on behalf of their clients. So we bomb them with requests to stop, and make it unprofitable for them to allow themselves to be used as a spam relay ...and if there is a way to accurately verify the URL from which the spam originated (as opposed to being spoofed), bomb that too. Then the poor idiot with the infected machine will get knocked off the net and finally have to see that his computer is looked at by a professional. And if it is indeed a verifiable URL, but turns out to be only a temporary URL that was assigned for that email session - too bad. Then the ISP takes a hit again, when one of his innocent customers complains of a DOS attack.

      Is there some failure in my logic???

    23. Re:Time to pull the plug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to break it to you, but I work for an ISP, and we contact compromised system, AND enforce a spew block on our mail servers, AND use RBLs and bayesian filters and we STILL get tons of spam.

      In order to combat spam you need to kill the controllers of the botnets. and I do mean kill.

    24. Re:Time to pull the plug by thogard · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is well aware that their product is damaging innocent third parties and the class action suit that will happen will damage them more than all their competition combined.

      When swen hit my server (by name), Microsoft covered my bandwidth bill to my provider. The interesting thing is swen is still out there abusing my DNS server.

      The law in most countries says that Microsoft should recall their buggy software.

    25. Re:Time to pull the plug by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      First casualty of a MS breakup will be the Win32 API. It is junk and nobody would their right mind would continue to invest in it besides Microsoft.

      Well, that trashes the existing application base. Good news for Linux I suppose, but it does put us back at the level of CP/M as far as applications are concerned. Look forward to every application having to individually support printers and other devices again.

    26. Re:Time to pull the plug by dodobh · · Score: 1

      The original intent of the Realtime Blackhole List was to nullroute all traffic from the ISP until the issue was fixed. That is why it was called Realtime :P.

      But because business interests decided that outright blocking was bad, we ended up with the spam mess today. Filters are the wrong solution. You have to stop the spew at the source, and if that means that Comcast customers get nullrouted globally, it means just that.

      The problem is that this would have worked much better with a smaller Internet, but getting any form of consensus today is next to impossible.

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      I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
    27. Re:Time to pull the plug by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
      Make it up in service calls

      Sure isn't that easy - Rebuilding a PC from scratch can take HOURS - We've all done it. Not to mention the fact many will just change ISPs when cut off.

  15. (offtopic) sending attachments by rduke15 · · Score: 1

    Use Thunderbird or another mail client that does not strip or mangle the original headers (like Outlook does).

    It looks like your Thunderbird is configured to forward emails as attachments, but that is not the default setting, if I rememebr correctly.

    In Thunderbird, others may have to go to "Message" -> "Forward As" -> "Attachment".

    In Outlook 2003, I didn't find how to forward as attachment. You have to copy the headers from the properties window, and paste them in your forwarded message. Far too complicated to explain over the phone to someone who doesn't have a clue

    1. Re:(offtopic) sending attachments by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Tools, Options, Preferences (tab), E-mail Options, change "When forwarding a message" to "Attach original message."

      Note that I haven't actually checked to see if that really does attach the entire message, but it sure looks like it did. (Clicking Forward created a new email with the message attached, and opening the attachment I was able to get the full headers via the View, Options ("Options?" WTF?) menu item.

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    2. Re:(offtopic) sending attachments by secolactico · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Outlook 2003, I didn't find how to forward as attachment. You have to copy the headers from the properties window, and paste them in your forwarded message. Far too complicated to explain over the phone to someone who doesn't have a clue

      Compose a new message, then drag the message you want to forward from the Inbox (or whatever folder) into the new message windows. That's it.

      If you want to see the headers of a message, open it and select "View" and "Options".

      I wish outlook had a "view source" like that of thunderbird or Gmail, where it lets me see the raw message in ascii (great for spamassassin testing).

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    3. Re:(offtopic) sending attachments by pezzonovante1 · · Score: 0

      Outlook does have a "View Source" option. Right click in the body of the email text and it's on the menu.

    4. Re:(offtopic) sending attachments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if the moron can't figure that out, he can save the message as a .eml file and open it in Notepad. Some of you nerds are complete morons. You can haxor all of this shit-hot complicated script-kiddie crap, but you can't figure out simple tasks in Windows. Motherfuck grow some brains and stop picking them out of your nose.

  16. Incease Aggressive Behind Activities by Zabu · · Score: 0

    * This article submitted by spam botnet
    * Intentional misspellings to fool slashdot spam filter

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  17. You ... you ... you COMMUNIST! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean educate people so they don't fall for scams? So they think for themselves? So they know that offers that are too good to be true can't be true?

    Are you nuts? Are you aware that this would mean to the market? People able and willing to compare prices before buying, people having used cars inspected before buying them, people informing themselves about the appliances they buy and who don't blindly believe the ads.

    Do you know just how many jobs hang on the fact that 99% of the people around are suckers, incapable of sorting out their own life?

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:You ... you ... you COMMUNIST! by Programmer_In_Traini · · Score: 1

      haha, good reply there...

      there will always be a margin of idiots, that's just a fact of life, I myself am a complete idiot in the domain of (for instance) sailing so any seasoned sailor could probably tell me anything and I'd just take his word for it.

      but in the same way i p4wn my parents at gaming i get p4wned by my nephew (and niece...sigh). there are things that just transmit themselves with time.

      I agree with several replies to my post actually but i was trying to say that people just take spam as a part of the internet without really trying to fight it (ok ok OK!!! i know some are fighthing but most are happy just watching)

      but ....meh.... ive always been a dreamer, i guess theres no way to educate the current suckers.

      another idea i had once was to make a website with all the products advertisement i received by mail and list them on the web, to give the "spamware buyers" a one stop shop to buy it all, hoping to "steal" business from the spammers but my logical side of the brain tells me to not open that can of worm....

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    2. Re:You ... you ... you COMMUNIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a pump and dump stock scheme, you can still make money even if it is a scam. Look at it like this, I get a spam email that I know is a scam. I reason that people will fall for this and the price will get inflated so I buy some. I only need to sell before the dumper dumps and the bottom falls out of the price. I don't know if legit traders trade do this.

      I also would like to think that this type of thing does not work but I took a look at an old spam I received twice on 7/31/06 for swnm.pk (note the pk because they wouldn't try this stuff on stock listed on a major exchange or one that has to file with the SEC; sometimes the "pumpers" could be the company themselves and they don't need to "dump"). Anyway, looking at the historical prices for this company, the volume was generally in the 10s of thousands and low hundreds of thousands. Three days before I got the email, the volume was over 2 million and the day I got it? 7/31/06, the volume was 5.7 million. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SWNM.PK&a=05&b=1&c =2006&d=07&e=31&f=2006&g=dswnm.pk on Yahoo Finance

  18. I havent noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CRM114 still beats whatever they throw at me.

  19. Don't blame the victim! by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Personally I think the SEC should forcably de-list or begin the de-listing process of any stock that shows up in a SPAM campaign like this.

    Um, and do you also think scantilly clad women deserve to get raped?

    A pump and dump scheme simply selects a stock with the right combination of price and volume that they think they can manipulate.

    Take the EGLY.OB example (heh, it's up 6% right now). It is a low priced (under a dollar) stock, so lots of shares are cheap. It has sufficient volume (100K shares/day) to be useful. If it is too thinly traded you can't accumulate shares on the cheap. If the volume is too high, the market will keep the dumpers shares low.

    So, the spammers are doing a buy-low, "advertise" (pump it up), sell-high (dump) campaign. The particular stock selected was probably just a result of a screen for the desired trading properties.

    The company whose stock is manipulated (most likely) had nothing to do with it.

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    1. Re:Don't blame the victim! by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      Take the EGLY.OB example (heh, it's up 6% right now). It is a low priced (under a dollar) stock, so lots of shares are cheap. It has sufficient volume (100K shares/day) to be useful. If it is too thinly traded you can't accumulate shares on the cheap. If the volume is too high, the market will keep the dumpers shares low.

      so when are we gonna see SCOX in these spam schemes???

      --
      Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
    2. Re:Don't blame the victim! by mrroot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Take the EGLY.OB example (heh, it's up 6% right now).

      ... So what you're saying is ...

      THIS ST()CK is READY TO POP!!!
      EGLY.OB IS ABOUT TO BLOW YOUR MINDS!
      WATCH OUT HERE IT COMES!
      DONT BE LEFT OUT!

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      I Heart Sorting Networks
  20. "Almost" three out of four? by misleb · · Score: 1

    I've been seeing over 80% SPAM in the last couple months. And that is just what is being blocked (spamassassin). The actual number is a little higher. Sad, really.

    -matthew

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    "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    1. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by Palefrei · · Score: 1

      I'm running Ironports all over my environment.

      In may I had 167,045,434 emails, 96.3% blocked as spam/virus

      I just looked at Octobers' stats... 230,975,517 emails, 97.7% block rate.

      Thank G*d the accuracy of that 97.7% is spot on, or the whitelisting/maintenance would make my life a living hell.

    2. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by CRC'99 · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I agree... I'd say around 98% of what I get is spam... An extract from my daily logwatch:

      Milter: data, reject=550 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin: 545 Time(s)

      This is one day. There are a grant total of 9 mailboxes on that server and 4 mailing lists. The number of legit emails on that day was around 18. The number of messages rejected varies anywhere from around 400 to 800 per day with roughly the same amount of legit messages going through.

      It's annoying as all hell, and I wish I didn't have to put up with it - as it means the machine (which I donated to host a number of community wireless networking sites) will need an upgrade just to help with spam scanning. Something I really can't afford to do - not everyone can blow $2-3k on a new server to keep up with spam :(

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      Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing an editor and a MTA.
    3. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by arwel · · Score: 1

      That few? I'm frequently getting a spam every minute, and only a dozen or so legitimate emails per day. I run Mailwasher, and while it's deleting all the crap yet more arrives and Mailwasher has to run again. Eventually I hit the download mail button on my mail program and inevitably I still get some spam in my inbox. Email has become almost worthless in the last few months - I'm going back to snail mail for my important communications because of the chances that something important will get lost in the mountain of crud - I visually scan all the email addresses and subjects as I go down the list clicking the "blacklist" button, but it's far too easy to accidentally blacklist the rare genuine correspondent.

    4. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by kjamez · · Score: 1

      i've been getting 200 or more spam's to my real address per day, and that's what is being MISSED by SpamAssassin (twice, once on the sendmail bit, and once when coming into the inbox) ... i get another 100-150 in my 'spam' folder ... Gmail (which i never really check) has pages and pages of 'unreported' spam ... i just don't get it. it's out of control! i also setup a spamtrap email address on one of my sites, and have been getting 300 or more COMPLETELY unsolicited emails per day ... i've been keeping them in a database (68000 emails to date) and wishing i was better at statistics and whatnot, it'd be an interesting graph (emails/day, type/day, etc.. etc..) how effective would training a spamassasin db from 68000 spams be?

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      you can't have everything, where would you put it?
    5. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by garwain · · Score: 1

      you are lucky then. I'm seeing about 80% spam in my inbox, after the my filters serverside (including 6 RBLs and SPAMASSASSIN) and my clientside filter (thunderbird's baysian filter). let's check my stats for the last 24 hours valid mail : 3 joke list, 1 email from a client, and 2 reports from my server=6 valid email spam in inbox 73 messages spam in junk box 83 spamassassin blocked 859 messages postfix rejected 9867 connections based on rbl and dns tests. that's about 99.995% spam addressed to my domain. Note, I have the lot of rfc addresses, and 2 user accounts, I average about 100,000 dropped because of non-existant users and even more failed relays every week.

    6. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by misleb · · Score: 1

      Are you just using the stock SA rules? Check out http://www.rulesemporium.com/ or if you run FreeBSD, install the spamass-rules port. I have not found a trained spamassassin to be terribly effective. It only adds a point or two to the total score. (although you can increase the importance of the Bayes score, of course) Using a wide variety of rules is more effective overall than bothering with training in my experience. But I do employ some amount of training. I have a shared IMAP box where users can dump spam that gets through. I have a script that periodically downloads the contents of that folder and trains SA... It does a point here and there. Also, SA will automatically train itself with spam that scores over a certain threshold.

      I don't have statistics for everyone here at our org, but I don't receive more than one spam every couple days. Sometimes I'll go a week without seeing one. Combine that will Adblock Plus in Firefox and the Internet is a pleasant place again. ;-)

      -matthew

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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    7. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by misleb · · Score: 1
      It's annoying as all hell, and I wish I didn't have to put up with it - as it means the machine (which I donated to host a number of community wireless networking sites) will need an upgrade just to help with spam scanning. Something I really can't afford to do - not everyone can blow $2-3k on a new server to keep up with spam :(


      Upgrade to scan 1000 messages a day? No way. My gateway scans nearly 4000 per day. You can see some stats here: http://mailgw.pnca.edu/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi . And that is running on a pretty low end machine. One important thing is to reject mail to unknown users before they get scanned. That keeps dictionary attacks from killing your server. Anvil (Postfix) also helps.

      -matthew

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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    8. Re:"Almost" three out of four? by CRC'99 · · Score: 1

      The problem is, it's only a dual P3 system with 1Gb of RAM... Most desktops have more grunt these days. The one thing it does seem to be however is stable. The real issue is that the server does of a lot of realtime drawing of maps (http://www.melbournewireless.org.au/maps). These really chew through CPU space - and this is only drawing a fraction of the details that we have at any one time. It just begs for a dual xeon so we can overlay sat photos etc :P

      Of course, all this slows down spam processing ;)

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      Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing an editor and a MTA.
  21. OT: why is everything a trap today? by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is there a joke I'm not in on?

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    1. Re:OT: why is everything a trap today? by necro2607 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This page explains the "it's a trap" inside joke well enough, although I don't know what the deal is behind tagging comments with itsatrap today in particular.

    2. Re:OT: why is everything a trap today? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Today I attended a mini engineering presentation on steam conservation products. The sponsoring company provided some samples of their products and as I passed an example to my neighbour, I added, "it's a trap". She laughed.

      I guess it's funnier if you are a piping designer, follow Slashdot and realize what day it is in the US.

  22. seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can whomever keeps saying itsatrap to every single slashdot post bugger off? I know this is off topic but comeon, this is seriously annoying!!!!

  23. "Itsatrap" tagging by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

    [Note, this post is referring to the tags that can be found amongst others, on this article, so this is a general-issue post not an offtopic one. Thank you.]

    It's getting annoying that every article without any relevance gets tagged with "itsatrap". The "fud" tag is grossly overused aswell, but at least it can be perceived as mostly applicable. I'm suggesting, to conform with slashdot grammar, to counter-tag every article that has an irrelevant "itsatrap" tags with "notsatrap".

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    Be yourself no matter what they say
    1. Re:"Itsatrap" tagging by Noishe · · Score: 1

      i already posted it with itsnotatrap... but notatrap works too...

  24. There's others making money too by goombah99 · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Let's put a $500 tax on all copies of windows OS. Wait! this is not flamebait. Here me out.

    The tragedy of the commons is what occurs when there is no limit on use of public resource but iindividuals do not bear the consquence of abuse in a way that would make them modify their behaviour for the common good. The historic solution is to put a fee for admission that promotes optimal use. Now as we have all heard over and over that most propose e-mail stamp plans all fail for one reason or another. Indeed there's that ubiquitous and hilarious form letter someone always posts on slashdot whenever the latest unworkbale plan is proposed that exaplains why it won't work.

    So my plan is not to have some micro payment scheme but to simply tax the origin of abuse directly. Windows Operating systems are essentially responsible for all Spam. Now if microsoft had put more effrot into securing their system then windows would have cost more to develop. So instead they are getting rich off of this since the costs of the consequences are not being borne by microsoft. Therefore there is needed a fee. The fee would be applied to cover the cost of rigorous anti-spam actions by ISPs or whomever was the appropriate cop. Alternatively it could have the effect of detering excessive monocropong of operating systems, like Windows, that makes it ripe for epidemics like this

    Now before someone says well it's not microsoft's fault, their software is just as good as Linux, mac, amiga, Beos..., let me say that does not matter. Microsoft gets a market advantage and cost structure advantage by meing the mono-crop operating system. Therefore regardless of whether there security is comparabel to some other, they have a greater responsibility and a greater finaincial wherewithall to make their software be more secure. It is precisley fair to treat a monopoly with a different set of stnadards if that monopoly position is 1) the source of the problem 2) they are getting financial gain from being a monopoly.

    So rather than flaming me, tell me why this is not a proper anlaysis of the problem and a possible approach to solving it. Yes it's radical. But according to earthlink I get 2000 spam messages a week. and according to this article 3/4 of the mail out there is spam. Radical solutions are called for.

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    1. Re:There's others making money too by goombah99 · · Score: 1
      To explain this further lets contrast this with an alternative implementation of the concept. Suppose instead of adding $500 to the price of all MS Windows OS (and I'm just pulling $500 out of my ass here to make it dramtic) we instead say it's a user responisbility. SO instead we let users forego the $500 tax as long as they post a bond of 10x the tax amount that they will forfiet if their computer becomes a spambot. They of course would not actually post the bond itself but instead would buy insurance.



      Now in the end if this were a workable system, it should actually come out to be the same mostly since in the end the total amount collected as tax or forfietied has to be the same. that is insurance rate would turn out to be the same net cost to the average consumer as the tax. The difference is that careful users might decide to forego the insruance and would never have to pay and sloppy ones would pay for the rest. However in practice the bond idea is unworkbale. First people would cheat on it. It's impossible to enforce efficiently and would end up disenfrachinsing people for mistakes they could not afford to fix. It's analogous to the considerations that lead to no-fault car insurance systems. Sometimes just having everyone pay makes sense because it is easier to enforce.

      Of course it would quicky occur that people would cheat and use bootleg tax free software. But this is not a problem per se. It just means that we would charge the tax at the source. MS would pay it directly not the retail store. If this made MS software probihitively expensive MS would be moved to solve the problem.

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    2. Re:There's others making money too by LindseyJ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Saying the MS is "The source of the problem" is like coming to a murder scene where someone was stabbed with a kitchen knife, and then blaming the cutlery retailer for it. Both are patently rediculous.

      MS does not have any 'responsibility' to make sure nobody using their OS is up to no good. Nor should they. If the precident is set that you are responsible for what people ultimately do with your product, nobody will every make anything ever again, fearing litigation. The fact that they are a monopoly is irrelivent. And as for the post you made after this one... That taxation and/or bond scheme might be the most backwards thing I have ever heard. OS's are prohibitively expensive to the home user as it is, without artifically inflating the price by forcing me to buy insurance (for what, I have no idea).

      Yet another attempt to sidestep personal accountability, and of course it's modded up.

    3. Re:There's others making money too by meeotch · · Score: 1

      Your post advocates a

      ( ) technical (*) legislative (*) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

      ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
      ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
      (*) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
      ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
      ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
      ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
      ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      ( ) Asshats
      (*) Jurisdictional problems
      (*) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      (*) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      (*) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
      ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      ( ) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      ( ) Sending email should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
      ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
      (*) Referencing the Slashdot Spam Form-Letter Response in your spam-related post will not save you from its wrath.

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (*) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!

    4. Re:There's others making money too by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      If the precident is set that you are responsible for what people ultimately do with your product, nobody will every make anything ever again, fearing litigation.


      Too late. The precedent has already been set with the tobacco companies, and sooner or later, gun manufacturers are next. Also, before you mod me as troll or flame me about the "tobacco companies knowing their product was bad", which most certainly seems true based on what I have read - the users of said product simply cannot claim that they didn't know that smoking tobacco was harmful. There were ample warning placed on the packages, there were also tons of ample warnings from many noted individuals (good, notorius and evil) saying smoking was bad, and it should just be plain common sense that inhaling the burning material of a plant may not be good for a human in the long run.

      Those who claim otherwise, without taking any responsibilies for the consequences of their own choices, are damaging the very fabric of free American society, to the point where one day we may look back and wonder where free expression, the right of choice, and the democratic principles of governance have gone...

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    5. Re:There's others making money too by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      Let's put a $500 tax on all copies of windows OS.
      The term you're looking for but not actually using is Pigovian tax - making people pay for the true cost of their activities.
      So rather than flaming me, tell me why this is not a proper anlaysis of the problem and a possible approach to solving it.
      Of course, as Pigou observed, "we seldom know enough to decide in what fields and to what extent the State, on account of [the gaps between private and public costs] could interfere with individual choice." Is the marginal social cost of one Windows installation really $500? I think you're overstating things a bit. Furthermore, taxing new installations will prevent users from upgrading (and WinXP is AMAZING compared to, say, 98) while taxing existing installations is fraught with impracticality and would be asking for abuse and evasion.
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    6. Re:There's others making money too by shmlco · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Barking up the wrong tree, especially as those machines are already out there. Better would be to, say... have ISPs block all incoming requests to home accounts.

      If spammers can't broadcast commands to their networks there'd be no use in having them. And blocking incoming requests also dramatically limits the number of computers to which a bot can "phone home" to GET commands, which in turn let's them target the command and control IPs.

      Given the choice of blocking the occassional geek whose too cheap to spend $5 a month on a hosting service, vs. drastically cutting the amount of spam... well, I know which one I'd choose.

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    7. Re:There's others making money too by goombah99 · · Score: 1
      thanks for the only meaningful response. Yeah $500 ws just for drama. But I think there would be no harm is starting low and ramping up till the problem is tolerable. So discovery otf the appropriate level of tax is self determining.

      The more I think about this however the more I think it should be dome like car insurance. To get an IP addrress you shoulld pay a spam protection fee. Then you get citations for bad behaviour. running an open relay, 2 demerits. running windows 1 demerit, actually spamming 10 demerits. Then your spam protection fee goes up if you are a bad internet driver or engage in risky behaiour like running windows. And I would not pick on widows either. namely I'd define any OS that had a zombie/installed users base ratio that was high as risky OS. The ISPs would of course have to decide how they were going to determine what your spam protection fee was. But we have the same problem with car insurance.

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    8. Re:There's others making money too by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      I was arguing that windows was the source of the problem and MS was profiting by not having to pay for their share of the problem. A more apropos example is car insurance. If you drive a statitically risky car or belong to a statistically risky group your car insurance is higher. I'm not taking microsoft I'm charging a fee for using windows just as the State forces you to pay car insurance to use your car.

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    9. Re:There's others making money too by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      Again, your analogy and reasoning is flawed. The State doesn't force Ford to pay my insurance, and they don't force insurance companies to raise their premiums because I drive a 'risky' car, or because I'm a bad driver. The car insurance companies do that by themselves as a business tool.

      As for Windows being the source of the problem and MS profiting from it... I'd like you to show me how MS is profiting from botnets in any way. Do hackers normally sent a part of their ill-gotten gains to Microsoft with a little note attached: "Thanks for making an OS with security holes!" Nobody is trying to argue that Microsoft is putting out a perfect operating system, but that's really the point. It's no secret to anyone with an internet connection that Windows is insecure. The fault here doesn't lie with Microsoft, it lies with consumers.

      I realize that Average Joe Sixpack PC User isn't going to go out and do his homework before buying a new computer from Dell or whoever. I also realize that Linux is simply not an option for most Average Joe Sixpack PC Users. But penalizing MS for this is only a band-aid solution on the real problem, if that. Users will always do stupid things like opening email attachments, following email links and putting their bank info in them, not running antispyware and antivirus software, and so on. Even assuming most /.er's wet dream of an all-Linux utopia, there would still be users who would always login as a superuser, never run a firewall, etc.

    10. Re:There's others making money too by LindseyJ · · Score: 2

      I half agree with you. The big argument against Big Tabacco (IIRC) was false advertising. I don't think I've ever seen an ad for any sort of firearm, and even if they did exist, I doubt they'd be trying to market to young kids (as I think the tobacco companies were ruled to have done).

      The other point is that - while it is certainly true that second-hand smoke is harmful to an extent - the only person getting hurt when you light up is you. Any sane judge could make this distinction.

      (DISCLAIMER: I am tired and sick and drugged up on flu medicine and in all likelihood, talking out my ass.)

    11. Re:There's others making money too by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Ummm think about it. If you pay $500 extra for Windows, did microsoft pay it or did you pay it? Same thing with car insurance. Microsoft is not profiting from the bot nets. They are profiting from skimping on security when they are the monopoly mono crop. I'd set higher standards for any monocrop maker. They are benefiting from the monopoly position in their price structure but with it they have more responsibility to be safe. They do not pay for the damage they do to the internet. So this fixes it. They could not face this tax on their products if they had the apropos level of security on the their products. Their call.

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    12. Re:There's others making money too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you prove that all spam originates ONLY as a product of Microsoft Windows _without_ citing a Wikipedia article? Do that, and I'll contact you to give you a nice male-male blowjob. Fuck you dumb overzealous assholes.

    13. Re:There's others making money too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you must like giving Male-Male Blow jobs, since it's a certainty.

  25. One typo fixed but... by Ross+D+Anderson · · Score: 1

    ...the RSS feed still says Incease...

  26. Link Spambots by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

    What's behind the increase in link spam on blogs/message boards?

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  27. is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..or is the PDF link in the story dead? Anyone got a mirror, I'd really like to see that.

  28. Re:FB by Enoxice · · Score: 1

    There was already a wave of FB spam...that may still be going on. It's mostly in those "omgz this grup is huuuge! 100,000,000 awesome beer" groups, though, so I don't see it much. Also, they've got "sponsored" news feed items now.

    Facebook is starting to degenerate into myspace parte deux.

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  29. Three out of four? by LaRoach · · Score: 1

    I would love it if my ratio was that low!

  30. easy detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The developers of SpamThru employed numerous tactics to thwart detection and enhance outreach

    I can't believe they write this! I find it very easy to block most of those botnets AT THE SMTP LEVEL. No need to even get to the DATA phase, they normally betray themselves by protocol violations before that.

  31. I love the way.... by superskippy · · Score: 1

    I love the way they say spammers are gearing up for the holiday season. Man, if I get nothing but viagra and penny stocks for Christmas, I'm going to be upset.

  32. oh wow, breaking news by felosi · · Score: 1

    Oh wow, botnets and trojans responsible for spam? Oh, this is such breaking news, we would have never known. /sarcasm

  33. So how do you get rid of !itsatrap? by yeremein · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do we need to tag !!itsatrap?

  34. Wrong Way? by Clazzy · · Score: 1

    A spam-sending Trojan dubbed 'SpamThru' is responsible for a vast amount of the recent botnet activity which has significantly increased spam levels to almost three out of every four emails

    Sounds like a decrease in spam for me, where do I sign up?

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  35. 96% of my mail is spam by McSpew · · Score: 1

    I've been inundated so heavily and for so long, I don't remember a time when I only got three spams out of every four emails. I recently tried outsourcing my anti-spam filtering to a third-party supplier. That supplier proxies the SMTP connections and closes them when it detects spam, as opposed to most outsourcers, who store-and-forward the messages.

    Because my mail gateways couldn't handle the crushing load of spam I was seeing, I'd hoped that this outsourcer would save me. I was wrong. It turned out that my inability to handle the load at my mail gateways ended up causing DDOS problems for the outsourcer.

    I got a call from the product manager who was in Sweden on a business trip, begging me to change my MX records back to my own gateways, because otherwise, his IT folks were going to shut me down in order to save themselves.

    I'm currently testing MessageLabs, and it's looking good so far. They're catching nearly a million spams a day for me.

    1. Re:96% of my mail is spam by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      We run a Clustered pair of St Bernard ePrism 2000's..
      I wish we had 3 of em.. The load gets a bit high at peak mail hours.

      Out latest numbers are
      5.5 million connections a week
      3 million rejected by block lists
      2 million by spam filters
      500,000 sent through (still a little spam in there)

      Our post lunch spike is about 40k pr hour but peak mailfow is the 1am spam fest at 80k pr hour.

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    2. Re:96% of my mail is spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be china9988@21cn.com

      They're catching nearly a million spams a day for me.

      Probably they are going to use your spamcount to inflate their "percentage of mail that is spam" advertisement statistics.

  36. It's not the bots...it's the protocol by John3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can't tax Windows users unless you start clamping down on all the open relays and misconfigured email servers. SMTP is broken, and patchwork solutions like SPF are only helping a small amount. There are servers with no reverse DNS, no MX records, all sorts of invalid configurations. As an admin running several mail servers I have to choose between enforcing all the RFC's (and rejecting email from hundreds of legitimate but broken servers) or leaving the door open and being swamped by spam (which is then trapped by processor intensive sieve, filters, etc). If I turn up the security too high my users start complaining about rejected email from clueless organizations that are running perfectly good Linux/Mac/Windows mail server boxes that are not set up correctly.

    IMHO it ultimately comes down to fixing SMTP.

    John

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    1. Re:It's not the bots...it's the protocol by cr0sh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      IMHO it ultimately comes down to fixing SMTP.


      You are absolutely correct - the real question is, will we fix it (meaning us geeks and maintainers of the internet to develop and implement a new and more secure mail protocol and roll it out internetwork-wide, and fast), or will we wait for the government to fix it (whatever that means in an international arena, of course)?

      One choice leads furtherance of the core values of an open, but secure, internet. The other may lead to a broken design, corruption, and a failing system that does nothing to help curb the problem, and may make it worse. I leave it to you (and the future) to decide which falls where...

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    2. Re:It's not the bots...it's the protocol by AndySilva · · Score: 1

      We all know that the inertia surrounding SMTP is too big. Realistically we won't be able to change SMTP. It would require cooperation from everyone at once.

      I suggest to check EmailXT. It's a new open protocol proposal, led by geeks, not by any obscure corporate agenda or government body.

      It does not require cooperation from everybody at once, defeats spam and virus spreading, adds privacy and control over your mailbox. Check the site for other features. If you want to switch to EmailXT, you just need to install and use a compatible email client.

      Go to http://www.emailxt.com/ . If we start supporting it, it would be a viable alternative with a future.

    3. Re:It's not the bots...it's the protocol by praxis22 · · Score: 1

      [Sigh] http://rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html FUSSP = "Final Ultimate Solution to the Spam Problem" senior-IETF-member-8 You think that a violation of an RFC by an SMTP client or server is good and sufficient reason to reject all mail from the system's domain. programmer-3 With standards, the implementation cost is about zero, so the FUSSP will be practically universally deployed within months of being documented in an RFC. knows-SMTP-4 You know that SMTP has no authentication and have never heard of SMTP-AUTH, SMTP-TLS, S/MIME, or PGP. knows-SMTP-5 You know that the failure of SMTP servers to authenticate the SMTP clients of strangers is a major bug in SMTP instead of an expression of a primary design goal. SMTP = Simple Mail Transfer Protocol. it looks like this for a reason. If you still think there is a silver bullet for SPAM, (other than one delivered between the eyes of anyone who's responsible for it) then you've never actually had to deal with SPAM on any level other than a personal mail account. Sorry for being harsh, but I'm having a bad day with SPAM, and I'm not prepared to let that slide without comment.

    4. Re:It's not the bots...it's the protocol by praxis22 · · Score: 1
      Crap!
      Appologies for the formatting, it's just one of those days. senior-IETF-member-8
      You think that a violation of an RFC by an SMTP client or server is good and sufficient reason to reject all mail from the system's domain.

      programmer-3
      With standards, the implementation cost is about zero, so the FUSSP will be practically universally deployed within months of being documented in an RFC.

      knows-SMTP-4
      You know that SMTP has no authentication and have never heard of SMTP-AUTH, SMTP-TLS, S/MIME, or PGP.

      knows-SMTP-5
      You know that the failure of SMTP servers to authenticate the SMTP clients of strangers is a major bug in SMTP instead of an expression of a primary design goal.

  37. Messagelabs by grotgrot · · Score: 1

    Ah, that would be same Messagelabs that inundates me with backscatter spam.

  38. Spam Percentage by QAPete · · Score: 1

    I'm the IT Director for my company here in the northeast US. Our spam percentage over the past year has climbed from about 80% to 91.7% this past month (October 2006). I'd be interested, as a sub-thread here, to have other people with first-hand knowledge about their company spam percentages post a reply here.

    1. Re:Spam Percentage by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      Our latest spam numbers are about 90% up from 80% a few months ago
      5.5 million connections a week
      3 million rejected by block lists
      2 million by spam filters
      500,000 sent through (still a little spam in there)

      Our post lunch spike is about 40k pr hour but peak mailfow is the 1am spam fest at 80k pr hour.

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    2. Re:Spam Percentage by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      >I'm the IT Director for my company here in the northeast US.

      I'm the mail admin at a university.

      >Our spam percentage over the past year has climbed from about 80% to 91.7% this past month (October 2006)

      We only accepted 9.25% of attempts to send mail to our domains in October.

      Figures for this year are:

      Month Rejected Virus Accepted Total % Accepted
      Jan 1537406 21956 462832 2022194 22.89%
      Feb 1570777 11907 532155 2114839 25.16%
      Mar 1566575 14544 649630 2230749 29.12%
      Apr 1807829 12659 532450 2352938 22.63%
      May 2863094 25669 713798 3602561 19.81%
      Jun 4169771 9100 676440 4855311 13.93%
      Jul 3424146 13392 624217 4061755 15.37%
      Aug 2977085 9590 709291 3695966 19.19%
      Sep 4946817 36077 673710 5656604 11.91%
      Oct 7752193 24516 792346 8569055 9.25%

      Virus figures are pretty low, because many virus sources are (or quickly end up) listed in places like Spamhaus XBL, or are dynamic ranges listed by SORBS or NJABL.

      I know RBLs generate a lot of ill-feeling from some people, but given the mail volumes we have to deal with we simply couldn't survive if we didn't have them as a first-approximation. I think part of the problem is that some people see them as set-and-forget, whereas local whitelistings for mail sources that are important to your organisation are extremely important. We use a combination of RBLs for first-approximation, then run SpamAssassin over everything that passes that... we have some locally tweaked scores, and reject at anything that scores higher than 15. Yeah, I know, that looks high... but we have things like Asian webmail that we need to let through, and add things like 5 points for URIBL and RBL tests, even ones like CSMA or PSBL that we wouldn't block against directly. Overall, it works reasonably well.

    3. Re:Spam Percentage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We only accepted 9.25% of attempts to send mail to our domains in October.

      Wow, you guys are strict! I guess I'll have to send my email to you in the first two or three days in the month.

  39. Block email from Windows by rohanl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since all this extra spam is coming from botnets running on Windows, just block all email coming directly from a Windows box. I've been experimenting with host fingerprinting using p0f

        http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f.shtml

    From this I can see that almost all spam comes from Windows. I'm in the process of configuring my postfix server so it will just reject any mail from a Windows box.

    The only false positives I've seen so far, is a handful of legitimate emails that come from Windows Server 2003, so I may exempt that...

    Note: I'm not advocating blocking email from Windows users, just email coming directly from a Windows box. If a windows user sends email through their ISP's mail server, it will get thrugoh just fine.

    1. Re:Block email from Windows by ttul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For personal usage, this is a reasonable technique. Our research has shown that 95% of deliveries from Windows machines are spam. However, if you are considering using fingerprinting in a business or service provider setting, rejecting connections from Windows machines is a bad bad horrible idea. Microsoft Exchange is run by almost as many companies as Sendmail these days (trust me, we've surveyed 400,000 mail servers to determine this). Blocking them all will result in many unhappy end users.

      However... fingerprinting can be a very useful technique to identify a bad sender when nothing else is known about it. For example, with our connection management software, you can configure it to throttle (i.e. slow down, traffic shape, etc.) connections from Windows-based hosts if the host has no previous good reputation. See an overview of the technique in this OnLAMP article by Stas Bekman.

    2. Re:Block email from Windows by stas_bekman · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately ttul is correct. It'd have been so convenient to reject all windows-originating connections. Unfortunately a lot of businesses out there use exchange to send email...

    3. Re:Block email from Windows by rohanl · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately a lot of businesses out there use exchange to send email...

      But how many of them are running Exchange on Windows 98?

      I agree that this may be a bit extreme for an ISP/business mail server, but I am doing this for my own personal domain. For a commercial server, you could use the fingerprinting to add a X-HostFingerprint header, and use that in your existing spam filtering to increase the spam score.

      I'm still in the process of collecting statistics on this, before I flick the switch. But as I said, the only false positives I've seen so far are some Windows 2003 Server machines.

      I will also be providing a method for servers to be whitelisted. The rejection will include a link to a page explaining the reason for rejection, and offering to whitelist legitimate servers by emailing postmaster.
    4. Re:Block email from Windows by stas_bekman · · Score: 1

      Raising the score of suspects is definitely a good idea. Hmm, I can't see how emailing the postmaster will help. Now you will get spammed at postmaster. Perhaps a more robust solution for your particular personal situation is to have that webpage have a cookie that changes every so often and then you can ask the senders to include that cookie in the body of the message. Chances are that spammers aren't going to bother doing the research just to spam you. However this is a technical solution, which also creates a hassle for legitimate users, and it doesn't scale to others.

  40. Gotta Question... by qazwart · · Score: 1

    I was wondering what if someone setup "Bot Bait". That is, put a PC out on the Internet completely unprotected and let it get infected with a wide variety of spambots.

    Then, you watch to see who is attempting to control the bots. Someone, somewhere must be sending the "attack!" command, and maybe you could trace the command back the origin of the perpetrator. Gather some evidence, and bring the long arm of the law upon the dude.

    If you can't touch the perpetrator, you could start taking down his botnet. Once you figure out how that spammer is talking to his bots, you could start to track them down. Once you know where the bots are, you could contact the ISPs about shutting them down if the owners of the infected PCs don't clean them up.

    There is no specific law that makes the ISPs responsible for bots, but under common law, if you have control over something, and you are warned about potential harm that the particular object could cause, you are liable for any damage caused by that object. Being the gateway to the Internet for these machines certainly does qualify.

    Heck, once you know how the bots are activated and who controls them, you could take over the bots and program them them to attack their creator. Talk about irony.

    1. Re:Gotta Question... by prshaw · · Score: 1

      I think one of the problems with this is that if you put your pc out there unprotected you don't get infected with most of these bots without user action. Most of the bots spread from opening attachments in email, the next most likely place to get infected is to browse to a web page that distributes this crap. There are not many worms that are infecting computers with bots, some but not many.

      As far as someone having to say attack, well maybe but in a in-direct way. From what I understand a lot of these bot-nets are thousands of computers. Someone is not sitting there telling each one to go attack. More likely is that the bots check for instructions from other infected computers or the old faithfull IRC channels. So maybe the person is still around controlling them, or they could have set the 'attack' flag and disappeared into the ethernet.

      I am not a supporter of bots, my email suffers greatly from it. But I am not sure I want ISP's deciding if someones content is objectionable and needs to be blocked and stopped. That seems to be an opening for blocking any content that someone in control doesn't like.

      I would much rather find a way to fix/replace the SMTP protocol to allow knowing the users to accept or deny incoming email in a more reliable manner. I want to know who exactly sent an email, so I can contact the person sending it. I want to be able to tell that a user knows their computer is sending emails, and that it is not an unknown bot on the machine doing it.

    2. Re:Gotta Question... by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      You know exactly who is sending you email - look at the headers. The IP address is right there.

      Of course, with ISP's protecting their users they will not even acknowledge that the IP address is theirs, much less forward an email to the user. If someone's computer sends me 1,000 emails I want their phone number and address. Privacy be damned!

    3. Re:Gotta Question... by prshaw · · Score: 1

      The IP address in the headers, assuming I can get the correct one, at best tells me what the ip address of the computer that sent the email, when it sent the email. It may or may not have the same ip address later.

      It does not identify a person, an email address to reply to, a company, an email server to report to, or any other useful information. Knowing an ip address was used at some time doesn't help a whole lot.

  41. Hard working hackers by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Thank god there are so many fine young programmers out there (usually East European or Russian) who are using their great skills to make life a little bit more miserable. Spaciba!

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  42. Instant feedback to the ABUSE-departments... by mi · · Score: 1

    My server uses fairly sophisticated set of anti-spam defenses and most of the crap gets rejected. But the hi-jacked IP addresses keep coming back.

    There is ought to be a way to notify their abuse-departments quickly and automatically (better than SpamCop).

    Perhaps, by sending syslog messages their way? They will then be able to capture a bit of outgoing SMTP-traffic of the accused IP, analyze it (using a Bayesian-based method, for example), and block the SMTP-traffic, if the analysis confirms the complaint.

    A blocked user will be able to turn the outgoing SMTP access back on by simply visiting a web-page and entering a text matching a picture and their ISP password — something, a bot can not do. The page will also offer them links to anti-virus and spyware-removal software and strong verbiage about running their PCs responsibly, or face more serious disconnects.

    This will allow very swift (within minutes) shutdown of SMTP access for hijacked PCs, without noticably hurting the victims of "false positives" — and without the wholesale disabling of outgoing SMTP-traffic.

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  43. Catch 22 by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    If you "fix" SMTP, how can you expect all those people running "perfectly good" SMTP servers right now to upgrade, even if they won't do something simple like implement SPF?

    You're throwing out legitimate email either way.

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  44. MOD UP by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I keep bringing this up, time and time again.
    It's not the people trying to sell the crap that are the real issue, its the middle-men who sell the dream of "internet marketing".
    Moreover, I blame those "Work at Home, make Million$" ads you in magazines and on TV; these are essentially proxies for Internet marketing and the people who do well in those jobs turn to botnets and other illegitimate means. Meanwhile the parent marketing company can distances themselves from them, calling them "consultants" when people bitch about spam campaigns.

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  45. Make Spamming too Costly to be Practical by cyberscan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Spammers, ad-ware writers, and other scum have made many, many people's online experience a nightmare. While most people try to defend themselves by installing spam filters, spyware detectors, anti-virus programs and other software, spammers continue to come up with yet even more insideous ways around these defenses with impunity. We have even asked the government to help us, and what does Uncle Sam do? He passes a law that is most favorable to spammers. The law is called the CANNSPAM act. CANNSPAM puts the burden of "opting out" of spam on us users. We have been instructed many times by anti-spam gurus to not to reply to spam or visit a spammer's websit in order to "opt out". This is because spammers in many cases use these opt out requests to confirm an actual working email address. Spam filters in many cases miss some spam and can actually flag very important legitimate email as spam. Again, we are punish while spammers continue to profit.

    Spammers will continue to spam as long as there is money to be made in doing so. The economics are on the spammers' side. If a spammer sends out one million spams that advertises a product, and only one person out of ten thousand buys the advertised product, the spammer has made one hundred sales. These sales were generated at little cost to the spammer, and at big cost to users and internet providers. The Internet service providers have to pay the costs of storage and equipment to process the spam. Time is money, and many users spend their precious time deleting spam, upgrading filters, etc. If the user is at work, then their company has to pay for this time in lost productivity. The same thing goes for malicious software that generates popup ads, skews search engine result, etc. People can continue to use their antivirus, antispam, and antiadware programs to try to protect themselves, while the bad guys continue to get away with their spamming, pop-up advertising, and search engine skewing with impunity. Using defensive means to defend against spammers is much like putting one's hands over one's face in order to protect against the punches of a schoolyard bully. One might keep a specific blow from blackening an eye, or fattening a lip, but he or she has so far done nothing to deter the bully from throwing even more punches. The bully will continue to throw punches as long as there is satisfaction in doing so. It is only when the bully is confronted with a crowd of angry people, or a damned good fighter does he or she have an incentive to quit throwing punches. As it goes with bullies, the same thing goes with spammers. Punching back can definitely be a deterrent! Spammers will stop spamming only when the cost of spamming becomes higher than the profits made from spamming.

    There have been many people who have made small steps in making spamming more expensive. These people understand that the spammers' weakest point is at their point of sale - usually a website. Many of these people have written programs called "spam vampires." These "vampires" are usually small programs or scripts embedded on a webpage, and they cause a visitor's browser to repeatedly download content from a spammer's website. These repeated downloads can cost spammer's a lot of money for bandwidth usage as well as processing power required to handle the data transfer. When enough people run "spam vampires," a spammer's website can cost a spammer money while at the same be too busy to process requests from those people who actually buy products advertised in spam. Programs that download content from spammers websites have been proven very effective. A program called, "Make Love Not Spam" was so effective, that it actually shut down many spammer's websites. "Blue Security" was another hard hitter against spammers. When "Blue Security" was up and running, many people, including me, noticed a huge decrease in the amount of spam received. Unfortunately, both Blue Securi

    1. Re:Make Spamming too Costly to be Practical by gsslay · · Score: 1
      This is because spammers in many cases use these opt out requests to confirm an actual working email address.

      This may once have been the case, but I no longer believe it to be true. Providing an opt out address that can then be used to confirm addresses provides a way of tracing the source of the spam. Spammers also no longer care if an address is valid or not. They don't do anything that could be called 'targeted marketing' When you're firing millions of spam out almost at random, and nowhere near the inevitable bounces, what do you care what's valid and what's not? It's too much effort, just keep collecting addresses and keep spamming it out.

      Of course, there's still good reason not to reply to spam with opt-outs. Firstly, even if it is a valid opt-out, it legitimises the whole process where someone else's spam becomes your problem. Secondly, in 99% of spam you'd be wasting your time. The opt-out is just there to make the spam appear legal.

      here have been many people who have made small steps in making spamming more expensive. These people understand that the spammers' weakest point is at their point of sale - usually a website. Many of these people have written programs called "spam vampires." These "vampires" are usually small programs or scripts embedded on a webpage, and they cause a visitor's browser to repeatedly download content from a spammer's website.

      I don't know about you, but I have a problem with any website running such a "vampire". For a start, that bandwidth is not just the spammer's, it's mine too. I also wouldn't appreciate having my computer become little more than a bot for a DoS attack. Isn't this the spammers' tactics? Is it also not the case that many spammers websites are 'throwaway' sites; here today, gone tomorrow? So the real victims of these 'vampires' are the hosting provider, who may be unaware of the spammer's activities, or may have removed them weeks ago.

    2. Re:Make Spamming too Costly to be Practical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SpammerSkewer is not an applet on a webpage. It is actually a Java application on your computer. It trades cryptographically signed instruction files with other peers. These instruction files tells SpammerSkewer how to flood a spammer's website with complaints about spam. The program does not do anything without the computer users knowlege and permission unlike the program that spammers use to send out their crap.

      The real victim is the spammer who has to pay the extra costs of bandwith resulting from spam complaints. As far as innocent hosting services go, they will be forced to have a closer look at potential clients. As far as SpammerSkewer is concerned, the programmer who wrote the program will be the one to determine if a specific website is added to a complaint file. Like Blue Security's program, complaints would only be sent if the hosting provider ignore abuse complaints (which is very common among companies that host spamvertised sites).

  46. MOD THIS UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first ACTUALLY HUMOROUS (versus lameass rehashed cliche attempt at such .. oh wait I'm sorry IN SOVIET RUSSIA, joke thinks YOU are lame!) post I've seen in this whole damned discussion. Bravo.

  47. Spam through e-mail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the fuck do they send Spam to people through e-mail? How the fuck do I get in on this free Spam offer?

    1. Re:Spam through e-mail? by zaaj · · Score: 1

      I think you might be confusing the canned meat product SPAM(TM) from Hormel(TM), with either "Spam" or "spam", ie. junk e-mail. I remember reading somewhere once that Hormel doesn't mind the world using the word spam to refer to junk email, but they'd prefer people not use their registered trademark of (all caps) SPAM when doing so....