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Charges Dropped In Fake Boarding Pass Case
An anonymous reader writes, "Investigators have dropped the criminal case against Christopher Soghoian after satisfying themselves that he acted without criminal intent. The grad student had created a web site capable of printing fake airline boarding passes. Soghoian is quoted: 'If they fix the airport security problems... then this entire process has been worth it. If they don't fix airport security, then... what was the purpose?'" Soghoian's blog has insightful comments about the divide between security researchers and government officials on subjects such as TOR.
Unfortunately, the investigators who dropped the charges were unable to be reached as they were enjoying their cushy first-class-flight South Pacific vacations.
Where were you when the voynix came?
his life got turned upside down
Yes, but was it "flipped" as well?
Perhaps, while we sit here, he would like to take a minute and tell us.
If you can't print a fake boarding pass, you can always scribble something illegible on an old ticket with a magic marker. Ever had that happen? "Sorry your flight is delayed, we're transfering you to another airline, just show them this.." and you're thinking, wonder if this scribble will get me to Hawaii?
Don't the morons running this place realize that it isn't safe to forego shooting the messenger?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Appearently, the status quo is that its ok to make a boarding pass generator, but its not ok to create DVD decrypting software.
Don't you get it? Real crimes are copyright infringements. Spending money and resources protecting passengers on jet planes is a complete waste of time....
Real criminals are underprivileged 13 year old girls evilly downloading music they have not purchased. May they hang!
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Can somebody explain US laws to me here? Is it or is it not legal to put up a website that helps to print fake boarding passes? If it is not legal, why was the case dropped? If it is legal, would it be ok to put the website online again?
I have a hard time to imagine what law could be violated by this unless somebody tried to actually use such a fake boarding pass to get on a plane or into a restricted area.
I could imagine that the mere act of printing a fake boarding pass *could* (depending on how it is done) violate the copyrights of the company. Anything else?
I bet he doesn't have all his computer equipment back that was confiscated from him during the investigation. Who needs a guilty verdict to punish him? Due process is dead.
I don't have a problem with ID checks, though the USCOA does. When I fly internationally, I am subject to ID checks at almost every port of call. That's just the way things are when you enter and leave countries. However within the U.S. there is no requirement that you submit to an ID check. It is your right to refuse this check. So anyone can claim to be anyone and get past the TSA checkpoint with nothing but a boarding pass. The No-Fly list is made useless by this simple loophole.
So what then? Change the Constitution so that we lose the right to security in our papers? I dunno.
But what I do know is that a not-really determined terrorist can plant a bomb anywhere outside the TSA security perimeter with impunity. In fact, a bomb can be placed anywhere in any city at any time and cause the type of destruction that generates terror.
Is the solution to negotiate with the terrorists? I dunno.
I don't like to give these crackpots any more legitimacy than they deserve, but if we are truly afraid of them wouldn't it help to find out what they want and then find a way to come to a mutual agreement?
If we're not afraid of them, then stop all this nonsense about making our country safer by strip searching grandma. The initial price of freedom is blood, but the recurring cost of freedom is risk. You can't have freedom without risk. You can reduce risk by reducing freedom and that's what the current tack is, but it's a mistake to assume that we have all agreed to this level of reduced freedom because a few fraidycats are unwilling to live in a risk-filled world.
Ok, then how about this.
Those people using fake board pass generators are not paying anything for their privilege to visit the Cinnabon(TM) that is down by the gates. They must be stopped.
The actions by any organization larger than, uhm, 200 people, are controlled by written procedures and norms, which are software. You'd, probably, learn this much in a management course (not that I tried).
The bigger the organization, the more likely you are to deal with someone who is merely executing the instructions — unable of, and unthinking about changing them. An organization like government, or a huge department like Homeland Security is all about it. A few "software engineers" and "analysts" high above devise the algorithms, some more "coding monkeys" codify it, and then it gets to run "in production".
We are the users. And we get worked-up about the bugs. In this case, the bug is a security one, where a presented certificate is accepted without checking with the issuer.
Somebody thought, that it would be good to limit the crowds next to the gates to people with boarding passes. Checking, that the pass is valid (as airlines do at the actual gates), either did not occur to the coder at all or was deemed too expensive...
The new release will, hopefully, have a fix. If not, than, certainly, the next one. Nothing, you've never heard before.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It was made perfectly clear during the meeting that parts of the US government, at least the two represented at the meeting, strongly disapprove of Tor - and in particular, thought that research universities such as IU, MIT, Georgia Tech, Harvard and others have no business supporting such projects.
Basically, what we are talking about here is the "parts of the U.S. government" working to turn the country into a police state.
I understand what you are trying to say, but US law isn't built in some coordinated fashion. Implying that US laws written for the protection of passengers at airports have had any coordination with US laws written to minimize theft of copyrighted works is silly (before I get flamed note that I have not said that I support the way that either set has been written).
If you want to look for coordination, look towards the lobbyists. The RIAA and MPAA lobbyists who have helped pass the oppressive copyright protection laws don't have anything to do with the airline lobbyists or defense lobbyists who have helped write much of the War on Terror related laws.
Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
Wow, I think this may be the most rascist comment I've ever seen on Slashdot. Someone should put the bigot out of his mosery...
Got them for under $1 each.
To my dismay, they can't read standard bar codes.
To my amusement, and dismay, I figured out WHY they wouldnt read standard bar codes.
Some airline sold them to a liquidator. With their custom code in the flash memory to scan their baggage and boarding pass tags.
It wasnt too hard to learn all this. Every scanner had several stickers on it with diagonal red stripes and phrases like
"/// SECURITY DEVICE #xxxxxxxx/// "
"/// USER MUST HAVE SIGNED CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT A8R55-2/// "
"/// FIRING OFFENSE TO REMOVE FROM RED ZONE (UNION HBK, PG 37)/// "
"/// DEADULUS & EARHART AIRLINE CUSTOM FIRMWARE VERSION 1.22"/// .
I wonder what their thought processes where?, something like:
100% of the people that have have ever caused harm on an airline have been ragheads.
Bull.
Garland Grant (look it up).
[Only need one counter example to prove your 100% wrong]
The standard of bar codes for bag tags and boarding passes is public (might cost a few bucks) but there is nothing secret about it.
Chuchi
I find it interesting though how fast it was dropped. Appearently, the status quo is that its ok to make a boarding pass generator, but its not ok to create DVD decrypting software. Granted, I understand why the latter generates more lawsuits, but still this is pretty much the end result.
Maybe they couldn't manage to convince an judges that there was actually a case to answer.
If I were Chris, I'd thoroughly check and wipe the disks of the computers that the FBI gave back to him.
Being sure to record (and publish) any evidence to tampering.
A fake boarding pass generator does not endanger the safety of anyone except for the idiot who tries to actually board a plane with one, because he's likely to end up being interrogated by Homeland Security for hours in a back room of the airport.
All these things can do is maybe get someone into the gate area. But seriously, if a terrorist wanted to blow up an airport, do you honestly think he would spend the hundreds of dollars building a bomb, and then balk at the $80 for a plane ticket? Hell, he could even steal a boarding pass from someone else. Seriously, requiring boarding passes to get into the gate area only serves to give people a false sense of security. It would not be an obstacle for anyone who wants to actually do harm.
I agree that posting the generator on the Internet was foolish, but only in the sense that posting anything that even appears to be able to help terrorists in today's climate is a stupid thing to do, not because it could actually endanger anyone's safety.
For the lazy or confused, read here http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_roo m/usab5201.pdf
""/// DEADULUS & EARHART AIRLINE CUSTOM FIRMWARE VERSION 1.22"/// . "
Those are antiques! You might just try to re-sell them on eBay. Daedalus Airlines, in particular, had their assets sold of decades ago when the last wax-attached bird features fell off the last airliner. Both airlines declared bankruptcy, and eventually merged with the old Glenn Miller Airlines to form the Oceanic Air we know and love today. You know, the one with the slogan "Getting halfway there is all the fun". They're also the first airline to consider electrified wings in order to keep the gremlins off.
Where were you when the voynix came?
Didn't the CIA take an interest in TOR at one point? Kinda hypocritical that the guberment is against it now.
Who are you? The new #2 Who is #1? You are #617565. I am not a number, I am a free man! Muhahaha.
"Soghoian said fake boarding passes wouldn't be an issue if identification was required and checked to travel. The student said he has been able to get on four flights without showing ID."
I fly across country every other week and have well over 100,000 miles under my belt this year a lone and I have never once gotten through security without my ID. Wrong boarding pass, yes, but it still had my name and matched my ID. And since we have no National ID how does one make sure the the people paid $8 an hour know how to check every state and military ID and look for fakes?
the status quo is that its ok to make a boarding pass generator, but its not ok to create DVD decrypting software
If creating boarding passes required circumventing a digital copyright control, then it would be illegal. It's not illegal to just print some shit out on your printer that happens to look like a boarding pass...
A fake boarding pass generator does not endanger the safety of anyone except for the idiot who tries to actually board a plane with one, because he's likely to end up being interrogated by Homeland Security for hours in a back room of the airport.
Don't forget the danger to everyone who ran the boarding pass generator... The Feds have the access logs and I know I'm in them. I didn't change the default name (Osama B.) or anything though. My God help you if you did and then generated a boarding pass... (Excuse me, somebody is knocking on my door...)
Printing devices are just machines used for printing fake boarding passes, and they all know it. So it's time to get paid for it! -Department of Homeland Security
The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life. -FZ
"If he was truly concerned about the safety of airline security like he claims, why would he sacrifice the safety of others by making a boarding pass generator to make a point?"
He isn't sacrificing the safety of others. This is the point of the exercise: our government is sacrificing the safety of us, and doing it while wasting (or stealing, depending on the individual politico) huge amounts of our tax money.
"Writing a research paper is one thing, but posting a boarding pass generator on the internet is pretty serious stuff."
Serious how, exactly? Serious in the sense that it actually demonstrates his claims, yes. Do you think anyone would pay attention or even hear if he just stated how poorly designed these procedures are? He would be dismissed as a political critic.
Saying that "posting a boarding pass generator on the internet is pretty serious stuff" borders on ludicrous. I can just picture the crowds running for cover, terrified, "Dear God! It's a boarding pass generator! On the INTERNET!"
"I find it very shocking that the FBI dropped the case. I think people have been sent to Guantanamo for much less."
Yes, people have been sent to Guantanamo for much less, but just because a few random peasants who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time got locked up for 5 years of their lives, torn from their wives and children, unable to speak even with a lawyer -- let alone protest their innocence -- does not make such pointless attacks on human liberty justifiable. Be surprised that the FBI dropped the case, but only be surprised because of the incongruity of this glimpse of sanity.
Trust is what makes a modern society function. To destroy a modern society, you destroy trust. In many ways, that has been the aim of the terrorists attacking the US. We trust boarding passes. Pointing out that they are not trustworthy is simply beyond the point. Trust is an ephemeral thing, and yet it is an essential thing. Printing out fake boarding passes to show that they are not trustworthy doesn't help to increase security; in fact ..... the terrorists win when you stop trusting people.
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
Isn't printing money illegal? Don't forget at least some things are.
The fake boarding pass is not a means to dodge the $80 ticket, you still need a valid ticket to get on the plane.
The trick is to bypass the no fly list without having to have fake ID, the loophole is that the name on your ID and boarding pass are not both checked at the same time and compared.
It was made perfectly clear during the meeting that parts of the US government, at least the two represented at the meeting, strongly disapprove of Tor - and in particular, thought that research universities such as IU, MIT, Georgia Tech, Harvard and others have no business supporting such projects.
I wonder how they feel about TOR being a naval research project.
Not to mention the privilege of 80% markups for "concession pricing" over a near-identical Cinnabon(TM) three miles up the road at the mall...!
MOO;IANAL.
There used to be a picture linked here.
As with most of the security changes imposed on air travel it is all mostly illusion, or as some other Slashdot poster called it "Security Theatre". If you make life difficult for the average travelor they will assume it makes life equally difficult for terrorists. Unfortunately, this just isn't true!
What I don't understand is if Osama and his cohorts are so dead set against us (ie The West) and he has armies of suicide jockeys all raring to go, then why aren't there 'planes falling out of the sky all around us. Why are shopping centres (malls) not blowing up? Trains, buses, garages, boats, ships. They could be instilling real terror on a daily basis but they're not! Hell, even failed attempts to blow up stuff would instil terror as it would confirm that they are still trying! It doesn't make any sense, unless they're simply not as powerful as we are being led to believe, in which case why are the politicians still trying to take away our freedoms?
Eclectic beats from Leeds, UK
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"If I were Chris, I'd thoroughly check and wipe the disks of the computers that the FBI gave back to him."
I would just sell them and buy new ones. Even if you carefully inspected all your hardware, would you really be able to tell if anything had been modified/removed/spliced in? It's probably safer to just assume that you won't find it if it's there and ditch everything.
First and foremost, I've been a slashdot lurker, and finally registered for an account because I think I have something of value to say here.
So, I think you guys have totally overlooked the point of all this. The way he talks about fixing the airline boarding pass security issue highlights to me that he is a security minded individual and has taken this step because he's noticed a vulnerability and has generated a proof of concept to illustrate the need for reform. This is often the only way to spark change rapidly in a ginormous looming organization as many of these airlines are. In my opinion, this public disclosure of a vulnerability is no different than the daily postings on SecuriTeam or Remote-Exploit or similar sites.
I see the argument then being "well, he probably said that to get out of a lawsuit". While I'm in no position to agree or disagree, from a larger perspective, even if that was the case, this vulnerability has been address, the ball is in the airlines court to clean up their mess. He knew that was how it would go down, and that makes this guy a whitehat. He convinced the FBI of this, and thats why they dropped the charges. We may not have the most reliable and efficient government in the world, but hey at least they are trying to embrace technology. I'd like to think that our government recognizes the need for public disclosure of *SOME* vulnerabilities to enact change... but that may be too optimistic of me.
Security is never absolute, and I am a firm believer that we cannot enhance our own security without first understanding how to break it. This guy is the bug finder, who will fix the bug? Long story short --> chalk one up for the whitehats!
And if dude wasn't white? Well .. I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole-arm +1 even.
just my .02 ;P
-Marspeace'n'reallylouddrumandbass
A Zen koan: Zen master said to his pupil, "I own you, bitch. Know that." And the pupil was owned. And he knew it.
You missed the point: it's not to save buying a ticket. (They scan the boarding pass at the gate and can detect a fake at that point, so you need to carry a real boarding pass anyway.) One of the goals of the system appears to be to exclude people from certain names from flying, at least without some additional checks. Since they don't scan the boarding pass at security, you can hand them a fake boarding pass (matching your real ID) at security. If that's the only time they check ID, then you can use a real boarding pass (bought under somebody else's name) at the other points. And if I understand right it's only at those other points that they actually check the name against no-fly lists. So the no-fly list doesn't work even given really good unforgeable ID's.
Seems like kind of a crazy system if that's correct--so it's fair game for being made fun of, which is all the fake boarding-pass generator does as far as I can tell.
The trick is to bypass the no fly list without having to have fake ID, the loophole is that the name on your ID and boarding pass are not both checked at the same time and compared.
You must go to different airports then I do because all of the airports I go to require a boarding pass AND photo ID that matches the name and the photo looks like the bearer.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
It may or may not help...
Part of your purchase of that 80% marked up cinnabon goes to pay for the airport which would otherwise be paid by the airlines and which would be part of your ticket.
Money is so fungible these days.
Pulling example numbers out of my nether regions:
Airline Ticket Sales: 60 million.
Total cost to run Airport a year 10 million.
Airline payments to airport: 6 million.
Very high rent to those restaurants: 4 million.
So tickets would have to cost 64 million a year without them.
So your $200 ticket might be $216 without them.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
To my dismay, they can't read standard bar codes.
Find a manual for one of them. The previous user most likely had them set to only respond to a very specific symbology, to avoid having the morons they hire accidentally confuse the system by trying to check-in things like Pepsi cans and bags of Cheetos.
You want to reset them to factory defaults, then enable all symbologies (or if you can't find an "enable all", just turn on the ones you need... Code128 works pretty well for general-purpose custom barcodes; if you want to use the existing ones, you'll need EAN and EAN+5 - And of course the various UPCs never hurt). And especially on older scanners with possibly less than pristine lenses, enable check-digit processing or you'll end up with a huge misscan rate.
So if I ignore the security trying to stop me from boarding the plane with my large toothpaste tube, intending only to brush my teeth after dining on their airplane food, then I shouldn't be arrested? The criminal charges apply only to people boarding with criminal intent for their toothpaste?
Look, the charges against this guy are bogus. The criminals are the people in the TSA who treat us like dirt on a cop's beat, while leaving these gaping security holes for actual attackers to exploit. Who try to cover their asses by arresting people who out their incompetence. The whole simcurity industry is a mafia, shaking us down with fear and intimidation while leaving us undefended.
But the lawyers, judges and legislators who decide justice based on unknowable (philosophically, perhaps even nonexistent) "intent", are worse than criminals. They're destroying the entire rational basis for justice, based on testable evidence and disprovable legal theories, in favor of arbitrary mind reading. Even if they didn't "intend" to do that, they've done the damage.
Just like security rules can protect us only from actual acts and results, not forgive well-intentioned acts that might create insecurity anyway. Should the law allow me to bring my pressure-detonating bomb prototype on an airplane, just because it never occurred to me that it would destroy the plane in flight? What if I did that a few times? What if I just got on the plane so drunk that I abused the passengers, making a mess in the aisle, a few times a month on business trips, intending only to "relax" my nerves before the flight?
The law should protect us from too-risky actions and actual danger. Including the incompetent actions of the TSA which can't accept warnings from researchers that boarding passes are insecure. Not dwell in the imaginary world of "good intentions".
--
make install -not war
They mention fake airline itineraries, not boarding passes, but would a fake, used boarding stub also get you in trouble?
OT: having an affair is sleazy, but not illegal. If that alibi company is used to cover a crime, do they have any liability?
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Chalk one up for the citizens!
Did I say "money" or "a boarding pass"?
There has long been a sharp division of opinion on the merits and failings of TOR... So Soghoian's observations aren't anything new...
---GEC
I'm but the humble pupil, seeking to snatch the scratchbuilt pebble from the master's fully articulated hand
Oh great. Now I'm lazy and confused. And here I thought I was just blissfully ignorant!
Karnal
There is nothing to fear. It is just a small fragment of MS-DOS assembly code. "B8 00 4C" is "mov ax, 4c00h", and "CD 21" is "int 21h". It is a MS-DOS system call that exits your program (system call number 4c) with a status 00 (the lower byte of ax). Now everyone knows...
I haven't used Windows for a long time, but I wonder if it still comes with an MS-DOS debugger?
I once had a signature.
BINGO.
Been saying this since ~6 months after 9/11.
Rummy also told us that A.Q. had several super-high-tech underground bases in Afghanistan, any one of which would have made Cobra Commander or Dr. Evil proud. Did you see the diagrams of them that the Whitehouse produced? It was some hilarious bullshit.
The lying didn't start with Iraq. A lot of people have forgotten, I think, the degree to which the Bush administration was spewing what should have been easily exposed as lies (I guess a lot of people fell for them; if Bush has achieved nothing else, he's convinced me that people are, on average, way, way dumber than I thought they were) since 9/12/01. They lied to hype up the war in Afghanistan, and they lied to exaggerate Al Qaeda's ability to project meaningful force into the U.S. Remember them saying how there were dozens or hundreds of "sleeper cells" here just waiting to be activated? What happened to that? They certainly haven't found any (thought they did a couple of times, turned out that they were just incompetent as usual) nor have we been attacked again, and they've stopped talking about it.
Remember the short-lived "Total Information Awareness" office whose first public message was to encourage U.S. citizens to spy on their neighbors? Ha!
This administration has been lying to us and manipulating us from the beginning. The willingness of most people here to accept it has convinced me that, excepting the unlikely chance that education will be overhauled, the dream of America is doomed. The country may survive, but our ideals, which began slowly dying as soon as the ink on the Constitution had dried, are dead, and cannot be saved in our lifetimes.
It turned out that We the People were just too dumb (or were made to be too dumb) to handle it. Let it be said that the final blow was struck by mass ignorance and apathy.
Actually, I've heard some commentary that explains that. Al-Qaeda and OBL in particular have a modus operandi of "escalating attacks." In other words, each attack should be bigger and better than the last one. They feel this has more of an effect than the Palestinian-Israel style low-level terrorism that people sort of "get used to." I think it has as much to do with the political/psychological impact as it does with the fact that any terrorist activity has the potential to leak information about the planners, get them arrested and seal off future avenues of attack. You can see that pattern in their attacks. So while they could easily blow up a few dozen people here and there, they hold back their resources and wait for something bigger.
Right, but at that point, they don't actually check the name against any kind of list.
Just to make it clear:
There is no ??? and Profit.
What about baggage check, you ask? That is a tiny bit more complicated, but not really. You just get John Smith to come to the airport with you and he checks in and checks the bags. Then he goes home and Bob Terror takes it from there. It's even easier in some airports where they have skycaps who I don't think do any ID checking, or automated bag checking with the same problem.
As you can see, the no-fly list is useless because of this flaw. It's a waste of time, money and just hassles people who are NOT terrorists and who have somehow got on the no-fly list, via similar names or simple mistake.
They could make one simple change to make this system better - check ID at boarding. Yeah, it adds a little time and wouldn't stop terrorists with forging connections. I don't think it would actually do much to stop terrorists, either. Especially considering terrorists aren't likely to be on the no-fly list until you figure out they are terrorists and by then it's probably too late. But as it is now, what they are doing is 100% useless. At least that way it would be only 99% useless.
The other thing they could do is just stop the no-fly list and stop checking ID, as both are useless at this point and may never be effective at stopping terrorism. As long as ID is forgable and the method is to check ID, these systems are all just false hope. Unfortunately, it's false hope combined with hassling everyone else that flies.
Man, this gives me a great idea! I fly a pretty good amount, but my girlfriend does not. She always complains that I get to use the short line, get free upgrades, etc. I was blessed with a gender-neutral name, so when she's flying alone, I could print out a fake boarding pass with her name on it, and buy a ticket with my name on it. She gets the upgrades, and I get the miles.
Thanks, terrorists!
It seems to me that requiring a boarding pass is less about increasing security and more about reducing the number of people passing through the security checkpoints. Can you imagine how long the lines would be if friends and loved ones were still allowed to see you off/meet you at the gate?
I don't know for sure but last time I flew, I flew Airtran and they had checkin online and you can print out the boarding pass at home. I'm pretty sure the print out was regular HTML and I could have easily changed the name. Even if it weren't HTML, you can print it out as a PDF file then edit the text. So Bob can buy a ticket then change then name to Charlie with an HTML editor and Charlie can easily go through security. Security can avoid this by typing the name or scanning the tickets which would recognize the fake but I'm pretty sure all they do is match the boarding pass name with the ID. Anyway, I think the whole name security thing is pretty lame. How hard is it for these organized terrorists not to get fake IDs like any underage college student? As a more useful academic exercise, has anyone thought about this: Bob buys a heavily discounted ticket to Hawaii on Airline XYZ but becomes sick and can't go. Bob can't get a refund from the airline so would have to eat the ticket. Instead, he checks in online and prints out the online boarding pass and gives it to his buddy Charlie. Charlie then buys two full fare fully refundable oneway tickets on the same flight. He also checks in online and prints out his boarding pass. Now Charlie just goes through security with his boarding pass + ID. They don't check ID at the gate (only scan your ticket) so to board the plane he hands Bob's print out to the gate agent and he gets on the plane. After his vacation, Charlie refunds his own ticket and gives Bob a beer for using his ticket. I wonder if a crime is even committed because you went through security legitimately under your own ID and boarding pass. You took a seat that wasn't yours but the non-transferability is up to the airline to enforce and not the government. It's no different than if I buy a ticket to a concert and give to my friend, even if it says non-transferable. Usually they require ID at willcall to pick it up but don't check again through the gates. Anyone? Good way to save those non-refundable fares!
I looked it up. I'm confused - what harm do he cause on an airline? Other than delaying it for a long time.
I hadn't heard that, but it makes a lot of sense. After all, while it would produce more terror to blow up a Wal-mart in the Middle of Nowhere, USA that's certainly no where near as big or meaningful as the 9/11 attacks.
I was having a conversation with my friends about this and the other point they made was the 'human factor.' After all, if a suicide bomber is giving his life to a mission, I'm sure he'd rather go down in history as one of the guys who participated in 9/11 than one of the many dudes who blew up some wal-mart's across the country. Now, I realize that car bombs go off every day in Iraq, but like you said, it's the low-level terrorism that people sort of get used to. Even on the news now they report it as "another day of deadly attacks in Iraq - 2 carbombs, a shooting and one suicide bomber" - nowhere near they amount of coverage of 9/11. Now, I'm no psychologist, but I sense there's a little bit of egoism and megalomania in these guys...they wanna be heroes, they wanna be martyrs, they don't wanna be just some cannon fodder for some 'greater cause.'
I see what you are saying and I agree to an extent, but really if someone important is affected by this then the need for reform wasn't communicated efficiently or thoroughly enough. What I mean is that if a bug is found and appropriately disclosed, and one can PROVE that risk can be mitigated by taking certain measures, then [I assume] an organization would take those precautions.
Perhaps again, I am being too optimistic? ... I'm sure there are people who, even if it made sense to them, would succumb to the call of the dollar.
I guess it depends on who is making the call
Crazy talk I tell ye' -Mars
A Zen koan: Zen master said to his pupil, "I own you, bitch. Know that." And the pupil was owned. And he knew it.
Or if you didn't mean that, try this quiz:
"#In 1985, Air India Flight 182 was blown up over the Atlantic by:
a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
b. Bill O'Reilly
c. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir
d. Indian Sikh extremists, in retaliation for the Indian Army's attack on the Golden Temple shrine in Amritsar
# In 1986, who attempted to smuggle three pounds of explosives onto an El Al jetliner bound from London to Tel Aviv?
a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
b. Michael Smerconish
c. Bob Mould
d. A pregnant Irishwoman named Anne Murphy
# In 1962, in the first-ever successful sabotage of a commercial jet, a Continental Airlines 707 was blown up with dynamite over Missouri by:
a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
b. Ann Coulter
c. Henry Rollins
d. Thomas Doty, a 34-year-old American passenger, as part of an insurance scam
# In 1994, who nearly succeeding in skyjacking a DC-10 and crashing it into the Federal Express Corp. headquarters?
a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
b. Michelle Malkin
c. Charlie Rose
d. Auburn Calloway, an off-duty FedEx employee and resident of Memphis, Tenn.
# In 1974, who stormed a Delta Air Lines DC-9 at Baltimore-Washington Airport, intending to crash it into the White House, and shot both pilots?
a. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
b. Joe Scarborough
c. Spalding Gray
d. Samuel Byck, an unemployed tire salesman from Philadelphia
The answer, in all cases, is D."
"It doesn't cost enough, and it makes too much sense."
I have heard so many people say that somebody might be able to sneak across security with a bomb and blow up the gate area with a fake boarding pass. This is ridiculous. The purpose of the boarding pass + ID check by the TSA is to minimize the number of people they have to screen. It has no real security implication. If you could get a bomb past the TSA checkpoint, who cares about a fake boarding pass? Soembody intent on bombing an airport could just use a real boarding pass then.
The purpose of the boarding pass + ID check by the TSA is to ensure that they don't have to screen everybody who wants to meet somebody at their gate, or wants to accompany somebody to their gate. The purpose is to focus the limited resources (the TSA screeners) on actual passengers.
So, what does a fake boarding pass get you? Well, you can meet your relatives at the gate when they fly in, or you can accompany your relatives to their gate when they are departing. So, you get to spend an extra 30 minutes with them while risking ending up in jail.
Came back from Europe recently. Picked up bag at destination. TSA lock had been ripped off the bag, taking two zipper pulls with it. (Bag is now unlockable.)
Looked inside. Contents rearranged, but on the top of the pile were ...
the two DVDs and a CD I bought in Amsterdam. No TSA notice that they'd
vandalized my bag. No apology. No lock. Nothing missing, so it wasn't a thief who did it.
From all appearances, they pried open my bag in a desperate rush to check that the DVDs and CD were not pirated material. I know of no current danger to aircraft from DVD or CD shaped objects that would have justified the deliberate vandalism of my property.
On a side note, Minnesota bomb squad blows up scientific instruments. A scientist returning from MN left her stream-bed temperature sensors in the trunk of the rental car. Instead of paging her while she was still in the airport, the rental company called the police, the police called the FBI, the FBI called the bomb squad, and the bomb squad destroyed all of her data. PVC pipes with holes drilled in them, end caps, and gravel inside. Boom!
You do know that you can apply your miles to her ticket if you buy them together, don't you? I wound up paying for a co-worker's upgrade because I DIDN'T know that. I asked for an upgrade, and they upgraded her too, because our tickets were tied together in the system. I though they were being nice to her -- until I saw my milage statement a month later.
I wonder what the differences would be in this story had this guy been "Muhammed al-Maqmood" instead of Christopher Soghoian?
Probably get the usual terrorist plot stuff I suppose.
Just like that video where a white guy goes on a bridge by himself and starts snapping pictures. Nothing happens, so he leaves and comes back dressed as a sheik, complete with long white robe and head covering. He then proceeds to do the exact same things he did prior without the costume. Within 2 mins he is accosted by security officials and told to leave the bridge.
Does anyone else think "Muhammed al-Maqmood" wouldn't have gotten off so easily?
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I had a few flights a month ago in Europe (Denmark and Poland), and at these airports the ID was required at boarding as well.
Turbans are worn by Sikhs. Idiot.
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Bear in mind that airports in Europe (especially UK) are used predominantly for international travel c.f. the large proportion of domestic travel in the USA. Plus, we had terrorists before you, nyah! Checking passports has always been important, and the airports have often been built with this in mind - E.g. at Heathrow, the main security check only gets you as far as the shopping mall - after that, each international gate has its own secondary checkpoint and "closed" waiting area. The boarding pass switcheroo would be much harder to pull off there.
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