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Internet2 Turns 10 and Upgrades
An anonymous reader writes "As an update to a previous story, Internet2 is celebrating its 10th anniversary in Chicago this week at it's fall conference. In addition, they're announcing the initial stages of their second significant network upgrade of their backbone network. Engineers are providing daily blog updates on the network install process as the old network is transitioned to the new. In addition to changing to a Level3-managed and Internet2-provisioned DWDM transport system for backbone capacity, I2 is implementing a new connection-oriented backbone network based on the Ciena CoreDirector platform in concert with the routed IP network."
I'm waiting for Internet3 before upgrading. ;)
-- Rastignac was here.
And I wasn't even done with the first one!
What I would be interested is: what capabilities a browser should have to fully take advantage of Internet2. You've got the bandwith, what about the client end?
Firefox Power http://firefoxpower.blogspot.com/
Not to be confused with Web 2.0.
Alright, that means only 8 more years until I can get some of her nude photos!
"It's a tarp!" -- Dyslexic Admiral Ackbar
Sounds like my brother. Lots of potential, but can't leave the nest.
So can anyone fill me in on what Internet2 actually does? The WP entry on the topic suggests that there is no network known as Internet2 per se, but one called Abilene, which I assume is what the Slashdot articles are mostly talking about. The Internet2 about page is mostly buzzword-laden fluff ("Internet2 members leverage our high-performance network infrastructure and extensive worldwide partnerships to support and enhance their educational and research missions").
What does the Internet2 consortium actually do? And what can users actually do with the networks they've built? Do they work transparently, just providing higher-speed IP data service between certain institutions that are in the network, for their normal Internet traffic? Or do they use new protcols/applications completely?
From a user's perspective, what does Internet2 (or Abilene) "look" like?
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Over One Billion Files shared.
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If you read your history, Al was directly responsible for a very large funding push that made the internet useful to clowns like yourself. I apologize to you who think I'm merely being a troll, but if Gore hadn't got the funding, then "net neutrality" wouldn't even be a concept. You'd be paying a serious toll for crappy service from the likes of the "baby" Bells. Give the man the credit he's due.
It was Senator Stevens ("bridge to nowhere, Alaska") who explained the internet as a collection of pneumatic tubes (he probably remembers shopping in old department stores, which is about when his dementia set in).
SO, if you're going to insult our glorious leaders, at least get it right and pick the correct one.
I bet Microsoft didn't even send Internet2 a cake....Those bastards....
"But this one goes to 11!"
Porn2.
I do agree with you on that Gore did make that final push while he was VP which makes him the "inventor" although I belive something similar would have passed and the net would have just been created a few years later
i couldn't understand what internet2 really is... is it just something that runs on (maybe) better cables and uses qos or what?
in this case wouldn't it be something like netsukuku better?
no need of dns, download from multiple gateways, no source-trace possible ecc...
More bandwidth for Verizon, Comcast, etc. to traffic shape into oblivion! So, you like the newsgroups, eh? Let's see how much you like it at 20kbps!
Ah-ha! Now I see what President Bush meant by the term 'internets'! He was referring to the regular internet, and internet2!
Sorry everyone making fun of Al Gore on this is 100% Correct. Al got elected VP in 1994. He got this push though after thet. I remember using the Internet to do research back in 1991, 1992, 1993 and a lot of people used it before then. So we using the Internet before he created it. Dam those time traveling rooms back in college. I need to use them now.
IIRC, the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) has a connection to this network. Does anyone from UIC have any information about what's going on with it? I attended classes in the college of Engineering (EECS) from '94 till '98, but I can't recall anyone ever mentioning it.
I would assume labs like the Electronic Visualization Lab would have had a connection to this network, but perhaps only the medical campus is using it?
There is an American Scientist magazine from 1980 or 1983 (bad memory; I will look it up if our library has the magazine) stating that Congressman Gore had appropriated money to research civilian uses of DarpaNet.
caught up with Web2.0!
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I think that '91 comes after '89, even in base 16. So that "internet" you were using and researching while in college stills owes credit to Senator Gore (or so says the IEEE). So come on, give thanks to those damn liberal tree huggers. Come on, you can do it.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
never said inventor.
"...Took the intiative in creating the Internet.."
In context this is 100% true.
Would someother politician done it at a later date? maybe. OTOH maybe they would of opened for commercial use ONLY. who know. One thing is certian, the politician who did the work that Al Gore did wouold have said the same thing.
This misquote highlights how ignorant the slashdot crowd can be about politics.. Really, if people are as smart as they think they are they would have looked up the context.
Was the statement self serving? of course! Almost everything every politician is self serving, it's the job.
Sorry, but so many people on slashdot said they wouldn't vote for him because of a quote he didn't even say.
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Yes, I was on the internet in the early 1980's, and I had websites up in 1991,
and wrote a interactive web course on cell biology in 1994.
So yes it was laughable that Al Gore took credit since we had the internet since
DARPA created it. And it was used by Universities and companies commonly since
at least in the 1970's. Many of us had BBS's, Ftp sites, Gopher sites, even before
NCSA produced the first HTTP based web server and before NCSA Mosaic's browser.
Gore did not apparently have a clue about the internet or its history or the uses
before he even was in any political office.
I suggest you read:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
"...and he sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic). "
You look like an idiot(which you probably aren't) when you bandy around some misquoted and ignorant statements.
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http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
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The network gurus had the IPV4 routing setup in such a way that if you connected to an IP address that was available via Abilene, the data would go that path.
Interesting.
I guess, in my mind, if a network is using the same address space as the public Internet, than it basically "is" the Internet; it's just a high-speed portion of it. When I heard people talking about Internet2/Abilene as if it were a separate network, I assumed it used a totally separate addressing scheme or at least separate address space.
I'm not trying to diminish what the folks involved in this project have done, but it sounds like the distinction between "the Internet" and "Internet2" are somewhat arbitrary. (Not that you couldn't say the same thing about any other network using regular IANA IP addresses, and in fact I would.)
Handling and setting up the routing for such a system must have been interesting, though. (It's always seemed like a black art to me, but isn't that the sort of thing that BGP and modern routers are supposed to help handle automatically? A router which wasn't able to choose between two paths, one vastly faster than the other, wouldn't be much good.)
Anything that brings more bandwidth out to more places and people is an inherently good thing, in my book. (Well, unless they're using unpatched Windows boxes, in which case it's probably very bad.)
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
You might try using the Internet to do some research now... I hear it is a lot easier now that this World Wide Web thing is built on top of it.
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http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
You know, there's a rumor going around that "Al" got elected as VP in 1992, not 1994, and was inaugurated as VP on January 20, 1993. If only there were a way to verify this... Maybe in the distant future we'll be able to look up these things from the comfort of our living room.
http://www.google.com/search?q=al+gore+inaugurate
This isn't really relevant anyway, since (unbeknownst to you and your Internet research powers) he had served for many years in the Congress previous to his election as VP. It was in the Congress that he started pushing for Internet funding. He continued to be a champion of the Internet while VP. Please read about this in another new and exciting research source on the Internet, Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore#Gore_bill
Now that the Internet is here, you should try using it sometime.
I am now going to flagellate myself for wasting some precious minutes of my life writing this post, and for wasting more time writing this sentence telling you this.
Is Internet2 compatible with Web 2.0?
Do I need Internet2 to hook up to Web 2.0?
Do I have to call my ISP to hook up to Web 2.0?
(yes, these are actual questions I've been asked...though not through the fault of the person asking, more with the boneheads that label these things).
"Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
Sorry, but the first factually verifiable statement you made is 100% incorrect. Clinton/Gore won the 1992 election.
But don't let that stop you from inanely repeating long-debunked propaganda, retard.
check out the corporate involvement on this Package. http://members.internet2.edu/liaison_list_pub.cfm? member=CM&contact=all&sortby=company&format=web
PUTS on tinfoil hat
no not really.
Free as in "the Truth shall set you..."
Ten years and still irrelevant to regular internet users. Nice work, guys.
Hi all.
r networks/international.html
I'm a student/IT guy here at IU, and Internet2 is a high-speed (mostly optical, with Abilene(the backbone) generally running 2.4gbit [OC-192]) network. The network is managed by IU at its Indianapolis campus in the IU Global NOC. For more information: http://abilene.internet2.edu/
It is a network apart from the Internet that is for educational institutions (colleges).
Additionally, it connects to other remote educational networks (CERN, KREONET2, RETINA) via border links (Pacific Wave, MANLAN, StarLight,etc...)http://abilene.internet2.edu/pee
But yes, that means high-speed pirating for the collegiate masses! (I'm at IU's Bloomington campus, and I usually get about 4mbit up/down to and from the I2's Internet POP.)
And as mentioned by another poster above, you don't need anything new to access it, you just have to be at a member college. In fact, my dorm ethernet is actually the pre-standardized wiring scheme, and it runs quite well despite having to use some really weird ethernet cabling (makes a CCNA like myself scratch his head and wonder what they were thinking).
At any rate, I highly recommend the site if you are at all into advanced networking, it's full of things to oogle over (OC links, T3s, and the like.)
Regards,
-Hoosier Geek
Just came across this:
;) It's a CBC news story from the pre-www days, spends a lot of time talking about usenet as if it's the entire internet.
http://qwantz.livejournal.com/67153.html
Of course, I could post the YouTube link directly, but it's more fun to see what other Qwantz readers are saying about it.
Some hilarious lines in there, including "the deep desire to be rooted". That one's exactly three minutes in. Enjoy!
Introducing Internet 2!
Now, with BIGGER tubes, on a BIGGER truck!
To a noob, root is like a gay bar...and he's wearing assless chaps
The one that screws you?
Why are people so stupid? Gore never claimed he "invented" the internet, merely that he help with legislation regarding it. And WTF does a BBS have to do with DARPA/AARPA/Internet anyways? Do you want a cookie? You apparently do not have a clue about the history of the internet - but don't let that stop you from repeating false information at every opportunity you get. This is after all, Slashdot.
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