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Giant Rabbits To Feed North Korea

iamdrscience writes with news of an East German pensioner who breeds rabbits the size of dogs. Karl Szmolinsky won a prize for breeding Germany's largest rabbit, at 23 lbs., in 2006. News photos reached the North Koreans, who asked through their embassy whether Szmolinsky would be willing to sell them some as foodstocks — each rabbit yields about 15 lb. of meat. A deal was struck and Szmolinsky will be traveling to North Korea in April to help them set up a breeding program. (The photos in the article use the most extreme, contrived camera angles to make the rabbits look even more huge.)

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  1. i for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    welcome our Giant Rabbit Overlords

    1. Re:i for one by Foole · · Score: 3, Funny
      *wipes dust from title*

      "Giant Rabbits To Feed On North Korea"

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  2. Roos by HermanAB · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Australia the rabbits are even bigger - I think they call them 'roos'...

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    1. Re:Roos by stox · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the US, they're even bigger, we call them "politicians."

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  3. Seems like a make-work project... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    who breeds rabbits the size of dogs.

    Why don't the North Koreans just continue to eat dogs?

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    1. Re:Seems like a make-work project... by tilandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because dogs eat protein so that would defeat the purpose.

    2. Re:Seems like a make-work project... by comradeeroid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why don't the North Koreans just continue to eat dogs?

      A dog must eat meat to grow, which means you have to first feed an animal that you feed to the dog. As you can understand this is wastefull since you'll loose energy in the conversion from vegetables to dogfood.
      The problem is that any conversion from vegetables to meat is a lossy one, so in the end even the rabbits are a stupid (yet so brilliantly communistic) idea. It would be better to grow crops and feed the north Koreans vegetarian food. (though they might want to rebell if forced to eat just carrots)

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  4. Rabbit Starvation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  5. Here is why this is a bad idea by monkeySauce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can anyone else see next month's headline? ... Giant Rabid Rabbits Wreck Havoc on North Korean Village.

    The giant rabbit thing sounds straight out of a cheesy horror film. I think I would go with micro rabbits instead. You could breed them by the millions and just eat them whole like little snacks. They might be a little furry and a little crunchy, but at least there is less danger they will turn out evil and eat your children.

  6. Giant rabbits you say? by dj245 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are they made of wood?

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  7. Help the poor North Koreans? by argoff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If he thinks that he is going to help the poor starving North Koreans, he will probably be in for the shock of his life. It will probably be for the rich ruling class, or even worse the elite may suffer from poor aim when they go out hunting rabits for sport.

    If Korea is really concerned about starvation, they should look at their neighbor China. China went from a disaster of 10's of millions of starving people to total solution almost immediately. How did they do it? They let the farmers have private property rights.

  8. Useful Scientific Facts About Bunnies by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Funny

    DAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

    They may not taste good but they can dance.

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  9. Terrorism by seifried · · Score: 4, Funny

    What happens when (not if) N. Korea weaponizes these giant rabbits? Possibly by irradiating them and turning them into an even larger and more fearsome animal (sort of like African killer bees, but with big floppy death ray shooting ears). Seriously folks. Won't someone think of the children?

  10. Efficiency? by UOZaphod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a vegetarian myself, but even this raises questions regarding the efficiency of such an operation.

    Is it more efficient to feed these rabbits vegetable matter to be converted to protein (which, according to the article, is what the diet of many N. Koreans is deficient in), or would it be better instead to grow protein-rich plants that can be consumed directly by the people?

    If the rabbits can consume grasses and other things that humans are unable to digest efficiently, and convert that into protein, then I suppose it would make sense.

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    1. Re:Efficiency? by shmurfect · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In terms of efficiency, it would be most efficient environmentally to have N. Koreans consume protein-rich vegetables directly, as each step through the food chain is about 10% efficient. This is why, if you look down the food chain, the biomass of plants and vegetables is exponentially greater than herbivores, as herbivores are exponentially greater than carnivores. At each step down the line, there is a tremendous waste of energy.

  11. Giant bunnies vs. Just get rid of Kim! by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Informative

    North Korea is not like China, not even close. It is very much like Soviet Union under Stalin. It is pretty much a time capsule of the 50s. Google for some blogs or photos from westerners who went there, it is a totally surreal experience.

    Large empty streets, every foreigner is followed by an assigned guide. If a tourist as much as takes a digital photo of one of their leader's statues that is off center or has the head cut-off they are forced to retake the picture. There are stories of children being used to help harvest poppies for heroin production after they get off school. Everything is a show, they use all of their funds to build their military while hundreds of thousands are starving. Their leader is crazy and he has nukes. Iraq was a kindergarten compared to NK. Until the crazy dictators are ruling the country no amount of giant fluffy (and yummy) bunnies will save the people from starvation...

  12. Long term effects? by sinserve · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know the technical name for it, but eating the ultra lean rabbit meat is known to cause malnutrition and eventual poisoning and death. I have seen several "adventure" videos where the survival experts remind viewers not to go very long on rabbit meat alone, for its lack of fat, and augment it with other sources of fat.

  13. May I be the first to say... by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In Soviet North Korea, rabbits eat you!

    Seriously though, how absurd is it that anyone thinks this is going to make any difference: it's a Communist dictatorship. The government runs food production and distribution, so of course they don't have enough food. All the rabbits in the world won't change that. It's sad and absurd that the average North Korean is still paying the price for a government that ignores that basic fact, proven so thoroughly and with so many graves in the 20th century.

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    1. Re:May I be the first to say... by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having grown in Soviet Union, I'll attest to the fact. No matter how many resources the government will have, no matter how much the technology progresses, it will all get mis-managed, wasted and funneled into militarization. The price of the human life is very low.

      But I gotta give them credit, at least they got the right idea about how to properly run a communist country -- fear! Stalin style (yeah, I like the alliteration, just came up with it!) People will obey when they see their neighbors in the evening and by morning the secret police have taken them away because someone made up a lie about them being "enemies of the people." I am not making this up, this happened to families I knew personally, this is how things are in NK.

    2. Re:May I be the first to say... by pyite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me welcome to the Soviet States of America.

      Such comments are really nothing but an insult to people who actually did live in Communist Russia. I know some of them, myself, and likening the United States to Soviet Russia is such a laughable comparison that you should be ashamed. Many of these people used basically all the money they had to move to countries like the US.

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    3. Re:May I be the first to say... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 5, Funny
      My ancestors were German farmers in Russia.
      These days there's a premium for lean meat, so farming Germans isn't profitable any more.
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    4. Re:May I be the first to say... by deevnil · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Such comments are really nothing but an insult to people who actually did live in ...
      Whenever anybody compares the decline of civil liberty and freedom release patches there's always a whiner saying that comparing Bush to Hitler, or the PATRIOT Act to a country that has patriot act mentality and abuses it( or "losing freedom is like losing a leg" and someone with two legs always says, "that's an insult to people who have lost a leg." )...insults somebody.

      So what would you have people do, wait until it's too late. Wait until they really are being dragged out of their houses, do you honor oppression by waiting until the last minute when it is more appropriate to propose an analogy? I think they would want that.

    5. Re:May I be the first to say... by darjen · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Such comments are really nothing but an insult to people who actually did live in Communist Russia. I know some of them, myself, and likening the United States to Soviet Russia is such a laughable comparison that you should be ashamed. Many of these people used basically all the money they had to move to countries like the US.
      I think the point is that, sadly enough, people in America really aren't as free as they are led to believe. I tend to agree. This is not an insult to anyone who sacrificed to come here. They wanted to be in a more relatively free country. But unfortunately, the US is becoming more and more like the situation they tried to leave. Having the right to oppose the government, though it might be an improvement, still doesn't mean too much if you are forced to fund them.
    6. Re:May I be the first to say... by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      With the increase in vegetarians, maybe a good crop of swedes could make money?

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    7. Re:May I be the first to say... by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what would you have people do...

      How about being accurate? How about if you talk about what's actually happening now instead of saying basically:

      "Everyone knows about this bad thing that happened in the past (Nazis, Killing Fields, slavery, plague, whatever). Without being specific at all we're saying that what's going on now is just as bad."

      - How is it just as bad? We're not telling you that.
      - What's the bad thing that's happening? Nothing specific, but it's really bad, we assure you.
      - What should you do about it? You should do what we tell you to do!
      - Who are the victims? Everyone!
      - Can you give me a few examples? No, just believe us. Are you stupid or something?

      Etc, etc, etc.

      In other words, instead of talking about what happened 60 years ago in WWII, talk about exactly what you don't like that's happening now and actually try to make the case that it's bad in some way. Be specific and reasonable and talk about reality.

      Why should anyone listen to hysterical ravings? Do scaremongers have a good track record for correct predictions of the future?

    8. Re:May I be the first to say... by budgenator · · Score: 3, Informative
      FTA
      "I'm not increasing production and I'm not taking any more orders after this. They cost a lot to feed,"

      OK if North Korea could afford to feed the rabbits, it seems likely they could afford to feed the people
      if the North Koreans find enough food to feed them properly. "I feed them everything -- grain, carrots, a lot of vegetables. At the moment they're getting kale," said Szmolinsky.

      Boy that sounds like people food to me, if I were breeding food rabbits they'd be bred for max production eating things like hay, alfalfa, clover and maybe throw in some field corn and soybeans on occassion; but that's not what's going to happen here, they are going to starve people to free up food for rabbits to feed the starving people, pathetic.
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    9. Re:May I be the first to say... by toddhisattva · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The people are in Guantanamo because America is great.

      If we were not such a bunch of great people, they would be dead.

      We don't need to take prisoners. Shoot 'em in the field! No muss, no fuss, no fourth estate or fifth column parading them around as innocents.

      But we took prisoners, and for this we are hated.

    10. Re:May I be the first to say... by dbcad7 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ok, when you capture someone or they surrender.. you most certainly do need to take prisoners.. What kind of video game world are you living in ?

      I don't think we are hated for taking prisoners. It might be the treatment of those prisoners. I imagine your assumption is that everyone who was taken prisoner is a "terrorist" and doesn't deserve humane treatment. However many were civilians caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, some are legitimate solders, and others just fighting on the "wrong side" for whatever beliefs they had. Certainly there are some real terrorists in custody but I think the number is a extremly low one. To lump everyone together is a pretty big mistake.. kind of like lumping Iraq and 911 together.

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  14. Oregon Trail by feld · · Score: 5, Funny

    I disagree. I've made it plenty of times to California being only able to shoot and kill rabbits.

    PS we used a raft to get past the last river.

    PPS my wife died of cholera

  15. Move along... by TechnoGuyRob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing to see h--Oh. Wow. Nevermind.

  16. If I Were A Thinking Man.. by JohnnyOpcode · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd say that the N.Koreans will be breeding these wabbits to release into the DMZ (detonate the mines) as a response to everyone laughing at their low-yield nuclear capability demonstration. Kim Jong whatever his name is got the idea from Snakes On A Plane. Think of the global (not to mention local) impact of thousands of bunnies being blown-up in the DMZ (and seen on CNN). Only a evil genius would bring the world to the brink this way. F@#king brilliant, I with I had thought of it first!

  17. One step closer by Darth · · Score: 3, Funny

    One step closer to Night of the Lepus. My plans to cause the least likely horror movie to become a reality are almost complete.

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  18. Re: Giant bunnies vs. Just get rid of Kim! by iSeal · · Score: 4, Informative

    North Korea spends %50 of it's expenditures on Military. It is a massive force, as all citizens are required to spend 10 years in it. A massive force which is a consumer of food, and is reputed to steal it at their behest. Kim Il-Sung is credited for pushing forth "revolutionary" agricultural techniques, that in reality were disastrous failures. North Korea's recent public escapades, among other previous activities, have jeopardized vital capital from South Korea (NK = cheap labour.) It has little credibility in the international marketplace, as the regime is notorious for failing to repay debts. At the same time, the regime doesn't want to initiate trade relations, because it goes against it's Juche philosophy. In truth, these are all acts of twisted paranoia for the sake of the regime's self-preservation. The starvation isn't a product of North Korea's poverty or lack of natural resources. It's a product of North Korea's regime.

    A regime that would rather see the misery of all it's citizens than reunifying under the leadership of the south.

  19. North Korea now safe... by kiddailey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, at least we know that North Korea is now safe from Jimmy Carter. ;)

  20. "They cost a lot to feed" by iSeal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did anyone else find this quote amusing, from the original article?
    "I'm not increasing production and I'm not taking any more orders after this. They cost a lot to feed," he [German Farmer] said.

    They're too expensive to feed for the German farmer to continue. By German rabbit-breeding standards. Now if the North Korean regime already (and allegedly) finds it too expensive to feed it's own people on even the lowest standards, how is diverting those much needed foodstuffs to rabbits going to solve anything?

    Usually there's a logic to this. Unfortunately, the same people powering this decision are the same people that had the foresight of building a massive hotel that couldn't be finished (you know what I'm talking about if you're familiar with Pyongyang.)

  21. I can see it now... by confield · · Score: 3, Funny

    Father Turtle: So you nervous for the race tomorrow, son?
    Turtle Jr: No way, Dad! Us turtles NEVER lose to the rabbit!
    Father Turtle: Riight... but I think you better have a look at the competition.

    * In thunders the giant German Rabbit dwarfing Father Turtle and his son *

    Giant Rabbit: Guten Tag!

  22. No need to do much research by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Communism is just a precursor of Dictatorship.

    This is because Marx had this stupid idea of condoning or even encouraging violence as the way to achieve Communism.

    So when you have a "Communist" Revolution ala Marx, guess who ends up becoming leader of the country?

    The one who was willing AND able to exert the most violence.

    Yeah, that's right, most of the time you get Mr "Silence all Opposition".

    Marx's Communism is severely flawed because of this.

    You basically have to wait till you get taken over by a Benevolent Dictator, or the Evil Dictator hands power to nondictators, or Mr Dictator has a change of heart.

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    1. Re:No need to do much research by hanssprudel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well firstly, Marx didn't condone violence. He provided an analysis of capitalism, and argued that the working class must fight to liberate themselves from the ruling class.

      An analysis that happened to be dead wrong in every concievable way. From the very start it was un-scientific historcist nonsense, and since its inception it has been completely contradicted by historical facts. In fact capitalist societies provide more opportunity for social movement than any other societies in history (including all the ones that followed Marx pathetic model).

      This is what happens if there is no party able to inspire and lead the masses forward - a power vacuum exists and is filled by violent people. Yes. But it's not the only way things can play out, and you'd like us to believe.

      Oh, really... Care to give us one - one single - example of a large scale Marxist revolution that did not play out in this manner? Come on, let us hear it.

      In fact, the grandparent was only wrong when he claimed that communism is a "precursor" to dictatorship. In fact, communism IS dictatorship. A dictatorship of many or of few (and in practice always of few), but because its very principle is to put the collectivism over individuals, it can be nothing but that. A free society recognizes every individuals to live and work for themselves, and thus keep - and own - the that which they have created with through their own labor. A society that does not do this can only be the horrid distopia that all too many people have suffered under already thanks to the idiot Marx and his followers.

      BTW, I hear North Korea will take immigrants. Your Marxist utopia is becons...

    2. Re:No need to do much research by Jeian · · Score: 3

      You can theorize about how plausible and great communism *could* be with the right people running it, and how horrible capitalism is... ... then you should take a look at the real world, which has yet to see *one* workable communist state (with the dubious exception of China), and any number of successful capitalist states.

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  24. You got it the wrong way by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dictatorship is a precursor to communism.

    Move specifically, the "dictatorship of the proletariat". It is in the official Marxist road to Communism, a temporary state of dictatorship that should lead to the promised land.

    Just about all self-declared Marxist regimes claimed to be the "dictatorship of the proletariat" state, being bright enough not to claim to the people that the current state of affairs was he best they could hope for. The one exception I know of was Albania, which at some point claimed to have reached "true Communism".

    It has been rough to get there, but those intellectuals that still dream of Communism have mostly reached the conclusion that any kind of dictatorship of temporarily suspension civil rights are *not* acceptable steps on the way. It just took a few (well, rather more than a few) million lives to get to that insight.

    Hopefully it will take less than that for the neo-Conservative to see that torture and other suspension of civil rights are not acceptable means to reach their goals, neither abroad or at home. Unless, of course, that is their goals.

    1. Re:You got it the wrong way by jonasj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dictatorship of the proletariat simply refers to the idea that the workers, rather than the capitalists, should be in control. It is not intended to be any more of a dictatorship than current capitalist countries, nor to include any temporarily suspension civil rights.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_p roletariat

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    2. Re:You got it the wrong way by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Do not blame an ideology for the people who believes in it.

      You mean, "don't judge it by what it has achieved in practice, almost every single time it was tried" (Kibbutzim worked better, but they are only inhabited by people who want to be there).

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  25. Rabbits can be a worthwhile food source by Marcion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >Seriously though, how absurd is it that anyone thinks this is going to make any difference

    In Roman Britain Rabbits were an important food supplement. A large number could be easily be fed and cared for by the Children while the parents did more arduous agricultural tasks such as attempting to grow crops or maintain larger animals.

    Pretty bad that in 2006 we have come to this though, especially when the US and EU ploughing food back into the soil and African countries would dearly love to be able to have foreign food markets.

  26. Brilliant ! by Joebert · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Giant Rabbits To Feed North Korea

    In the future, they'll be able to reuse 97% of that headline.

    Giant Rabbits Feed On North Korea
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  27. It might help by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the rabbits in the world won't change that.

    Maybe not but it certainly might help. Rabbits can survive on grass and crude silage, can be grown in relatively small areas and reproduce reliably. Faster than goats, the most widely eaten animal on the planet.

    Similar husbandry programs with cavia porcellus, guinea pigs to you, have helped many families lift themselves out of poverty in Peru and other areas in South America.

    Rabbits would be better suited to the colder climate of North Korea. The fur would provide a secondary revenue source. It may not sound like much but when you're dirt poor having meat to eat and furs to trade is big deal.

    How is this not a good thing? Why would you want to see the North Korean people starve just because their government is the asshat of the world? That's almost as silly as people hating all Americans because Bush is a douche bag. It's not like they elected that idiot in North Korea and there's growing evidence we didn't elect our idiot, either.

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  28. U.S. bureaucracy = North Korea? Yeah, right. by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, here's a nickel, buy a clue. Sure, large bureaucracies cause inefficiencies but that is so far from the primary reason for North Korea's current situation it's absurd, in fact offensive, to make the comparison. You are seriously lacking in a sense of perspective.

    Go for it, son, define "large" for me. Give me some numbers. We have plenty of bureaucracies that are as large or far larger than the entire North Korean government, General Motors, for example, and while they may be inefficient, they do not leave millions of their own starving to death or subject to a high likelihood of torture or death. Equating the two is beyond wrong, it's flat out irresponsible.

    Those of us living in reality point, rather, to lack of accountability, lack of transparency, inefficient cross-communications, y'know, the stuff that us actual experts in industrial organization are always willing to explain to those clued enough to pay attention.

    You go out there and talk to some genuine experts in the reasons for North Korea's current state. Read up on, say, rule of law. See what energetically capitalist outlets like the Wall Street Journal have to say about the causes of North Korea's problems.Then come back and we'll have this chat again.

    Oh, and if you're so hyped on decentralization, tell me, what in the real world have you done to bring that about? Personally, I've been working at that for over twenty years, just testified this past week on government procedures to New York's city council. This wasn't so bad since I've been dealing with the senior relevant councilman since, oh, about two months since he was elected, back in '01.

    So, how about you. What have you accomplished?

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    1. Re:U.S. bureaucracy = North Korea? Yeah, right. by Aptgetupdate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      General Motors, for example, and while they may be inefficient, they do not leave millions of their own starving to death or subject to a high likelihood of torture or death. Equating the two is beyond wrong, it's flat out irresponsible.

      Right. Because of decentralization...if GM tortured people, or merely left them to starve, people would go work somewhere else. (Like, for example, because of massive lay-offs for which massive bureaucracies are infamous.) Because they're only one of many corporations, rather than the sole, centralized authority.

      Or are you arguing that if GM were the government, they wouldn't leave people out in the cold? Or that North Koreans should just use their other government? What the hell is your point? Did you read the post you're responding to, or just use it as a launchpad to offer your opinions? Stating that the results are different doesn't mean the initial conditions aren't similar. It only reinforces the original point, in this case.

      Finally, please don't use attending an "open to the public" city council meeting as a credit to your "expertise". Or at least, if that's the extent of your credentials, don't be such a pompous, arrogant, condescending jerk to other /. posters. Humility is a sign of confidence. Having the tone of a self-important and intolerant ass is a sign of uncertainty.

  29. Re:Correction... by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only on /. can uninformed political bickering be considered more interesting that GIANT FUCKING RABBITS! For God's sake people are you all insane? There's 23 pound rabbits on the loose and you're arguing over whether refugee would prefer to go to Europe or America? I want to hear about the rabbits and all I get in the comments are references to communism, a lecture on the life and times of Marx, nookular missiles and such trivial things. Seriously guys think of the rabbits!

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