Two Stargate SG1 Films Announced

Presence2 noted that MGM announced that the Stargate franchise will migrate to the big screen, carrying with it the ending of the last two season's Ori plot-line. The plot summaries listed in the article don't seem like anything surprising... one even has a wacky time-line slip-up plot. Very original for scifi ;) I'll still watch it.

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Excellant

[Anonymous Coward]

Movies based on a TV show based on a movie. What'll they think of next?

Re:Excellant

[jackharrer]

Films based on games... Ooops, that happened already.

Re:Excellant

[Constantine XVI]

You mean like Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game? It exists...

Re:Excellant

[FrostyCoolSlug]

As stupid as that may sound, it seems to be the only way in which SG1 can continue. Due to their contract with SciFi, they can't resume the show on another network / channel after they got axed.

One of the problems they have, is that Stargate still has an impressive fanbase, which really can't just be told "No more for you", so rather than finishing the SG1 storyline, they have opted to move it to TV (or Direct to DVD) Movies.

I personally think it's a shame it ended up this way, although it wont stop me watching, It's a great show with a great cast.

Re:Excellant

[ReverendLoki]

Perhaps movies based on musicals based on movies about musicals.

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[HTH NE1]

Movies based on a TV show based on a movie. What'll they think of next?

Video games based on movies based on a TV show based on a movie.

I was about to suggest it had already been done, but according to IMDb, the The Dukes of Hazzard games predate the 2005 movie, and the most recent game used voice talent from the series. (The series was adapted from the movie Moonrunners .)

(Ew, they're making a prequel movie.)

Re:Excellant

[JohnnyLocust]

Movies based on a TV show based on a movie. What'll they think of next?

A movie, based on a musical, based on a movie, based on a fictional musical (Springtime for Hitler).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers

Re:Excellant

[allanc]

I'm waiting for the novelization of Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game.

Re:Excellant

[Lars T.]

Movies made on Games made on mixing two movies? - Alien vs. Predator (okay, that started as a comic)

Re:Excellant

[Anonymous Coward]

It wouldn't be the first time SciFi's forced a series to a TV movie by cancelling it.

Re:Excellant

[orbit500]

Hungry Hungry Hippos ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Z3bEzCZJw I ruined a whole page of notes crying with laughter over this :)

Re:Excellant

[Scrameustache]

Movies based on a TV show based on a movie. What'll they think of next? How about movies based on game based on a movie?

All that recycling... So very post-modern.

Re:Excellant

[Jesus_666]

It'd be so cool if they would make a series based on Serenity!

Re:Excellant

[StikyPad]

I hear they're coming out with a game based on the book.

Re:Excellant

[StikyPad]

It's a great show with a great cast.

You must have watched a different version than I did. What the people in front of the camera were doing barely passed as acting, and the plots, dialog, and sets left much to be desired. The characters were generic, wooden, and shallow, and there was little to no reason to care about them. Technology and science underwent idiotification (No problem.. I can troubleshoot a crystal with my handy multimeter), alienating the supposed target audience, while everyone else was already alienated by the fact that it's a dorky show. No problem went unsolved and nothing particularly bad or unhappy ever happened (that I saw).

Personally, I'm happy that it's finally cancelled. It's unfortunate that it took 10 years of embarrassment for it to happen, but hopefully it will be decades more (if ever) before we're subjected to anything like that again. While I believe there's room for an exploration-themed show, I think future shows will need to do a better job of integrating plausible drama and character development. The age of simplistic, one dimensional, one hour resolution sci-fi is (hopefully) coming to an end.

Re:Excellant

[StikyPad]

Mods: a troll is someone who posts something he doesn't really believe in order to evoke a reaction. Let me assure you that the above post is an accurate representation of my opinion. The moderation of "Troll" is not synonymous with "I disagree." If you disagree, post a coherent response.

Re:Excellant

[PhoenixFlare]

Technology and science underwent idiotification (No problem.. I can troubleshoot a crystal with my handy multimeter)

It's science fiction, it requires a measure of disbelief. And besides, how do you know something couldn't be rigged up? Got some real alien technology laying around that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

alienating the supposed target audience, while everyone else was already alienated by the fact that it's a dorky show.

Yes, it sucked so bad that it ran for 200+ episodes, spawned a spinoff (with another being developed) and 2 movies in the works.

No problem went unsolved and nothing particularly bad or unhappy ever happened (that I saw).

So (for example) the deaths of several major characters, world war, biological warfare, and numerous instances of general murder/torture/enslavement of innocent people don't count as bad or unhappy in your book? I'd hate to see what you actually find unpleasant. It's pretty obvious that your experience with the series is very limited.

You must have watched a different version than I did.

Likewise.

Re:Excellant

[StikyPad]

It's science fiction, it requires a measure of disbelief.

The suspension of disbelief comes from the fact that they're interacting with aliens who all speak English. Requiring anything beyond that is just insulting. A bunch of whales surrounding a city? Maybe that was Atlantis, but it's the same crap, different actors.

And besides, how do you know something couldn't be rigged up? Got some real alien technology laying around that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

I don't know, of course, but everything that happens is implausible and/or impossible. And I don't mean the circumstances -- although they are implausible to be sure, but that's where suspension of disbelief comes in -- I mean what happens inside of those circumstances.

You can't measure light with a multimeter. You just can't. And I'm assuming they're using light, because crystals are not good conductors of electricity, though even if they were, it's a safe bet that the signal paths would be too small to hook up to a multimeter with big ass alligator clips. But even if THAT was possible, what they often do is the equivelant of "cut the red wire," i.e., they often instantly know what to do, which is unlikely even if they had engineered the technology themselves, let alone trying to comprehend someone else's. So just to believe that they can troubleshoot an alien circuit board requires suspension of disbelief on three levels, ignoring entirely the idea that these people are still. Alive. Despite numerous gun battles, kidnappings, etc.

They often know things which are unknowable. For example, in the scenario of infinite dimensions, you would NEVER know if you made it back to the right one. At best, you could know that you found a very similar one, but you could easily go to the grave never knowing for sure, which presents two equally undesirable possibilities: Either the characters are all idiots who just assume they're home, or they realize the very real possibility that they're not home, but don't think it's worth mentioning at all.

Then there's "enlightenment," which, like heaven, presents no compelling argument as to why anyone would really want it.

I could go on for days about how implausible/ridiculous 90% of the show's plot devices are, but I've spent enough time on it already.

Yes, it sucked so bad that it ran for 200+ episodes, spawned a spinoff (with another being developed) and 2 movies in the works.

Popularity is not a significant measure of quality. A lack of viable alternatives, for example, can contribute to inflated figures. Would you rather watch someone count for an hour, or watch Tom & Jerry? Additionally, I have no problem believing that I would enjoy the show if I were still a pubescent kid and had limited experience in human interaction, motivation, dialog, troubleshooting/problem solving, and 6 years in the military which, as any booter can tell you, is not even remotely similar to what is depicted in SG1. Try saying "with all due respect," for example, to a superior -- a phrase which is commonly bantered about on the show. In reality, that's a great way to get yourself a nice ass chewing, at best, because it's really a sign of utter disrespect.

So (for example) the deaths of several major characters, world war, biological warfare, and numerous instances of general murder/torture/enslavement of innocent people don't count as bad or unhappy in your book?

What major characters? That doctor was the only person even approaching a major character who was killed off, that I saw. They almost killed off Sam's dad, but couldn't quite bring themselves to do it. Of course, he was utterly irrelevant to the show before then, so even if they had killed him off, he'd still be more of an extra than anything else.

Anyway, since the acting/scripts/plots were so shallow and, as I mentioned, character development is/was minimal, who cares if they die? The only endearing q

Re:Excellant

[PhoenixFlare]

The suspension of disbelief comes from the fact that they're interacting with aliens who all speak English. Requiring anything beyond that is just insulting. A bunch of whales surrounding a city? Maybe that was Atlantis, but it's the same crap, different actors.

All I can really say is that some of us are more willing than you are, for the sake of some entertainment.

I don't know, of course, but everything that happens is implausible and/or impossible. And I don't mean the circumstances -- although they are implausible to be sure, but that's where suspension of disbelief comes in -- I mean what happens inside of those circumstances.

Again, they obviously had to decide whether to stick to real science (which, as your rant mentions, pretty much torpedos most of the show) or toss in some technobabble and real-world impossibilities.

Either the characters are all idiots who just assume they're home, or they realize the very real possibility that they're not home, but don't think it's worth mentioning at all.

Seems to be the second one, generally. I seem to remember the two-parter at the end of the 8th season dealing with restoring the timeline from an alternate ala Back to The Future. Everything's back to normal except for a minor change or two, the characters realize this, and take the attitude of "Eh. Close enough".

6 years in the military which, as any booter can tell you, is not even remotely similar to what is depicted in SG1.

A fiction show about a secret military program involving travel to other planets & galaxies doesn't match your personal experience as a "booter"? Shocking!

I would note also that the show has actually been honored by the US Air Force for its portrayal of the military, and two of their Chiefs of Staff have actually had cameo roles as well.

They almost killed off Sam's dad, but couldn't quite bring themselves to do it.

If you can get to the end of this transcript and prove the character is still alive, give yourself a cookie.

And as for the rest of the events you mention -- it's all abstract. There are "world wars, biological warfare, and lots of murder/torture/enslavement," but it all happens to other than major characters, or completely off-screen (such as the world wars), and in any case, it's generally over within an episode or two, with a nice, tidy, happy resolution.

Yeah, the various episodes where Teal'c gets tortured, Daniel gets his brain scrambled so many times by a ribbon device that he actually starts to get used to it, the 6th season episode where O'Neill basically spends the entire time getting tortured and killed over and over, etc....All figments of my imagination. I'm not going to waste any more time finding specific examples for you, look for it yourself.

And on that note, since you don't even seem to be able to keep SG-1 and Atlantis straight, much less have anything but scattered viewing of the show, debating you further is pointless. Have a nice life :)

Big Screen??

[Nishal]

It was my understanding these were gonna be straight to dvd, maybe even HD or Blue Ray.. Either way i will still watch em...

Re:Big Screen??

[johanw]

And I hope that they release them this time in Europe at the same time as in the USA. Otherwise I'll just download them and let them complain about poor sales.

Re:Big Screen??

[Zontar_Thing_From_Ve]

And I hope that they release them this time in Europe at the same time as in the USA. Otherwise I'll just download them and let them complain about poor sales.

Don't worry, that will happen. Every major American studio film gets released in Europe at the same time as in the USA or at most 2 weeks later for exactly this reason.

Re:Big Screen??

[mwvdlee]

Yesterday I saw a "comming soon in theaters" advertisement on Dutch TV for "Nacho Libre". I think "Thank you for smoking" has yet to be released as well.

Only the biggest movies (Star Wars, LOTR) are released in Europe with only a few weeks delay, the rest will typically trail by a number of months.

I can't imagine any good reason for this; translation couldn't possibly be so time consuming (no voice sync in the Netherlands, just subtitles), and all it'll do is push people towards illegal download services.

Re:Big Screen??

[0100010001010011]

It goes both ways. I like to look in the independent or foreign film category on apple trailers. I'll get really interested in a movie to find out that it's not out in the US for another few months. Then I hit the torrent sites and find the DVDRip. Two that I remember clearly are Showlin Soccer and Shaun of the Dead.

Re:Big Screen??

[zippthorne]

No one is so desperate for entertainment that they'd stoop to downloading "Nacho Libre" illegally.

Re:Big Screen??

[theStorminMormon]

It was my understanding these were gonna be straight to dvd

I really, fervently hope so. Whatever it takes to keep these "films" (and I use the term loosely) away from mainstream cinemas. As if we need to give studios one more reason to demonstrate that sci-fi fans will watch anything, no matter how cheesey. This in turns removes any incentive to make good sci-fi, which further contributes to the (accurate) stereotype that sci-fi and art generally don't belong in the same sentence, which further drives the mainstream away from these releases, which further drains the funding available to make decent sci-fi (e.g. "Children of Men"), which further contributes to (you guessed it) Stargate. Yay.

I'm not just trying to troll. I love sci-fi. But I can't stand the fact that a lot of sci-fi fans can't tell the difference, for example, between "Star Wars: Roque Squadron 11", "Star Trek: Book #3423", and "Dune". The same thing happens in movies, and the result? Wing Commander. (http://imdb.com/title/tt0131646/)

Because sci-fi fans are willing to accept any old slop with aliens and lasers we get to watch "Stargate" instead of something with quality (like "Firefly"). I've tried more times than I can count to get into Stargate, but it has essentially the same production values as "Hercules" and "Xena: The Warrior Princess". It's enough to make an old-school sci-fi fan cry.

-stormin

Re:Big Screen??

[Wolvie MkM]

I dunno about that, at my last job at an ISP we received a notification from the MPAA of a user downloading Soul Plane... As if that isn't embarrassing enough..

Re:Big Screen??

[s0lar]

There will be a torrent, right?

Re:Big Screen??

[boombaard]

You're not trying to troll, but you mention the most interesting things for you were 'Children of Men" (trite at best) and firefly (blah) as examples of what 'good' schifi 'can' be?

I can't say i watch SG-1 very regularly, but then, neither did i watch FireFly (I saw Serenity and was because of the horrible hype that surrounded it at the time it came out, and i'm pretty much scarred for life by its superficiality).. if x million people watch SG-1 on SciFi, it would appear there is demand for it.. just as there was a demand for Joss Whedon (insert swoon here) productions.
of course, you probably won't agree with me there, but that's ok.

Yes, SG isn't really cut out to be in cinemas (though the Atlantis artwork looks nice in HD), but neither was Serenity (Especially when you hadn't watched Firefly beforehand.. Dear Lord that thing was badly put together, squishing 5 hrs worth of storyline into ~2), and even then, what movies these days are released that are worth watching at all?
The problem you perceive with people pretty much watching anything that comes out these days is hardly limited just to SciFi.
the bigger studios seem to be somewhat aware of the fact that cinema attendance is dropping every year due to the crap they're producing (read: because piracy is running rampant), and there still are a few arthouse films a year that are worth watching, but i sometimes wonder if all the original stories have already been thought-up, and all that's left is reruns and remakes.

what exactly was your point with stating scifi fans can't 'tell the difference' between weird sequelish titles and other weird titles, though? I'm afraid i didn't quite get that
Anyway, replace 'aliens and lasers' with 'fake tits, semi-automatics and cars (if this isn't accurate, it is because i don't really keep up with blockbuster productions much)', and you've got the rest of the movie-watching crowd covered.
Pretty much the only show that's on these days that i find worth watching is the remade BSG, and even there they seem to be losing me due to the weird choices they're making this season so far with regard to the storyline..

yes, i like SciFi for what it can be used for, but sadly most isn't there to make a point anymore.

Re:Big Screen??

[Anpheus]

Film costs. If a major release costs between $1500 and $3000 per print in the US, producing 3000 prints takes a large amount of time and money (upwards of $9,000,000.) A staggered release allows time for prints to be returned, inspected, and if undamaged, sent elsewhere.

So adding another market, say, Europe, is even more expensive. Also, subtitles can often require <em>wholly new prints to be manufactured</em>. The subtitles are often on the film itself, for example, The Protector showed with subtitles in the US with subtitles on the film (as opposed to digitally projected subtitles.) For a movie company to add to their existing expenses by making prints of a movie that may not even succeed in the United States. The additional cost could include several thousand more prints, insuring that the subtitling in dozens of languages is accurate (or at least passes some level of quality control.)

Re:Big Screen??

[VAXcat]

I wish Jack Black was actually as funny as he thinks he is. Thank the ghods that the Green Lantern project with him as GL got derailed.

Re:Big Screen??

[theStorminMormon]

what exactly was your point with stating scifi fans can't 'tell the difference' between weird sequelish titles and other weird titles, though?

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. It wasn't the titles. Have you read any of the Star Wars/Star Trek franchise books? Some of them are excellent, but the vast majority are utterly horrible. Despite this, they get read with gusto because they afford sci-fi fans one more chance to immerse themselves in their favorite alternate worlds. They exemplify the way sci-fi desperation for more of what they love ends up degrading the worlds they treasure. Because publishers have learned sci-fi fans will read literally anything with "Star Wars" in the title, there's no incentive to find really good authors.

As far as Serenity goes, you'll notice I singled out Firefly, and not Serenity. I think Serenity was better wasn't a bad movie, but it probably should have gone straight to DVD as well as SG1 for pretty much the same reason. (For the record, I'm not a fan of Joss Wheddon either personally or artistically. I loved Firefly - and you should try out the whole series, but I've never been able to get into Buffy or Angel.)

A lot of other movies are bad as well. I agree. But as a sci-fi fan I have a special interest in sci-fi. It's a much more tight-knit genre than, say, spy movies. Most movie genres like romantic comedy, military action, tenn comedy, don't really have a following of any kind. Sci-fi, on the other hand, has a tradition and a history (in literature if not really in film). I'd just like to see sci-fi on screen start to live up to some of the promise of sci-fi on paper.

-stormin

Re:Big Screen??

[mwvdlee]

If subtitles require new prints, than the whole point of re-using US prints for europe is moot.

Re:Big Screen??

[Nishal]

i like you views i agree for the most part, except in one part. I flt firefly was bad sci fi, more of a soap opera, on par with zena and hercules.. but to each their own. At least ya like sci fi

Re:Big Screen??

[theStorminMormon]

As far as the science goes, I certainly agree. But have you actually watched many of the episodes in order, starting with the real pilot? I saw the show on TV several times and thought it was weird. The dialog seemed hokey, the character interactions forced, etc. It was only after watching the pilot first that I started to realize the problem was that Firefly relies extremely heavily on on continuity. It's not really very episodic. The characters do quite a bit of growing and changing throughout the episodes, and their relationships even more so.

I don't know if that would strike you as "soap opera", but it struck me as a good art. The characters are well-drawn, well-directed, and well-played (with the possible exception of inara, but she wasn't too bad).

If you haven't tried a few episodes from the pilot, give it a shot. I think you'll be impressed.

-stormin

Old News?

[FrostyCoolSlug]

Since then, MGM have confirmed that they hope to continuing SG1 as Ongoing Movies instead of a season 11. Hopefully this means the ongoing success of Stargate, and the cast.

Re:Old News?

[rucs_hack]

I'm glad they're stopping with season 10. I love stargate, but they have run it for too long now, and it's not quite as good as it once was.

Better for there to be movies in the main franchise, so we can continue enjoying it without seeing it turn like X-files, with no end in sight and ever weakening storylines.

This new spin off series thing might be entertaining, so long as they don't 'enterprise' it and make everyone hate it, just like Crusade did to Babylon 5, what a horror that was.

Re:Old News?

[Dachannien]

I thought Crusade had a lot of potential. There just wasn't enough of it made to be able to tell whether the series was actually going somewhere or not.

The "Legend of the Rangers" movie, on the other hand.... *huuurk*

Re:Old News?

[rucs_hack]

The problem with Crusade was that is was basically 'The Galan Show'. He was, intended or not, the main character, the one pulling all the strings, and by far the most interesting. Unfortunatelly that wasn't really meant to be the focus of the show, which resulted in a confused mess.

Was it a Fantasy show or Scifi? Well it had ships, but far too much 'lord of the rings' stuff going on to be the sci-fi successor to the masterpeice that was Babylon 5.

ps. You mentioned Legends of the Rangers, Go wash your mouth out with soap, you disgust me....

Re:Old News?

[Nathgar]

After the movies come out, people will just complain that they are nothing more then long episodes with nothing to make them stand out vs the TV show.

ST:TOS vs ST:TOS movies, had some great innovation, but also had a bit of a time delay for new idea's to come out. They just stand out against the TV show. ST:TNG vs it's movies. It didn't happen, and since they are releasing the Stargate movies so soon, I believe we'll see more of the same. Well I guess I can live with it, just so long as they don't shoot any of the outdoor scenes anywhere near Vancouver.

Re:Old News?

[D2Deek]

The problem with Crusade was that is was basically 'The Galan Show'. He was, intended or not, the main character, the one pulling all the strings, and by far the most interesting. Unfortunatelly that wasn't really meant to be the focus of the show, which resulted in a confused mess.

The problem you're referring to was mainly caused by the short season. TNT contracted for a full 22 episode first season, stopped production after five were done, made some changes, etc. then killed it after 7 more. Now, when you've plotted out 22 episodes of a TV show, you write and film them out of order so that you have all your actors when you need them.

Even with the changes made after the first five episodes filmed, if they'd had the full 22 ep. run they would have spread out the Galen story arc so that they weren't all running together. But because they hadn't been able to film "Appearances and Other Deceits" (in which there would be a "laundry accident" to bridge the two uniform types that were filmed, allowing the first five eps to be placed in the middle of the season somewhere), about the only way the series could be shown was the order that it WAS shown.

So let me get this straight.

[shirizaki]

Movie: released in theaters, moderate success. Sequel: Straight to video, parlayed into a successful series. Series: Enjoys a 10 year run Movies 2 & 3: Released BACK into theaters


Wow, you can't even hope for a rollercoaster with so many twists and turns. It's like M. Night Shyamalan put the Stargate franchise in a movie of itself.

What a twist!

Re:So let me get this straight.

[ParraCida]

Actually, the plan is to release these movies directly to DVD, so they won't be in theaters at all.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[geeber]

What a twist!

Not really. Mostly it just emphasizes how few new ideas Hollywood really has.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[BadERA]

Sequel? What sequel? The original movie, not a sequel, was parlayed into the series on Showtime for the first five seasons, then picked up for syndication by ... for some reason I want to say ABC, but NBC makes more sense, (though I think Showtime is owned by CBS?) who played it late night until it was pawned off on SciFi, where it enjoyed booming success. The first sequel movie will be one of the two discussed here ...

Re:So let me get this straight.

[shirizaki]

There was a Stargate SG1 movie released. Maybe it was the first few episodes put into movie and released. I just assumed they made a sequel movie then turned it into a movie. Sry.

But what a twist!

Re:So let me get this straight.

[Culture20]

It's like M. Night Shyamalan put the Stargate franchise in a movie of itself. Don't you mean the Wormhole X-treme franchise?

Re:So let me get this straight.

[maxume]

Syndicated programs are generally picked up at a local level, so it may well have been ABC and then NBC in your market, and CBS in other markets, etc, etc. It has played on CBS and Fox here. Atlantis is currently playing, one season behind SciFi, on the local Fox affiliate.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[MindStalker]

I think your referring to "Independence Day"

They were directed and written by the same people.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[BadERA]

Mmmmmm ... sorry ... but not so much. There has been no SG1 specific movie. Stargate the series, wherein SG1 first existed, grew out of the original movie's (Stargate) storyline, it picks up a year or so after the movie ... there have been public plans in the works for a movie for at least 6 months now, but no movie has been released to date that is SG1 specific.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[Dark_Lord_Prime]

The "SG1 movie" was the pilot episode (originally aired on Showtime), thrown onto a DVD.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[Lord Apathy]

M. Night Shyamalan

If Shyamalan did it, it would be incredibly dark with a real suspenseful with the very interesting plot line. Unfortunately there would be something so extremely stupid that it would make the movie totally unbelievable. It would be so bad that they would lampoon it on on television and movies for years to come.

Something, like I don't know, the aliens being allergic to water so they come to a planet with a shit load of water to do their shit. That or it would just suck out right.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[dgatwood]

That's pretty lame. These would have been the first movies I'd actually bother to go to a theater to see since the LOTR trilogy.

*sigh*

Re:So let me get this straight.

[Beyond_GoodandEvil]

Something, like I don't know, the aliens being allergic to water so they come to a planet with a shit load of water to do their shit.

You mean like this?Though to be fair it was only salt water.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[HTH NE1]

Something, like I don't know, the aliens being allergic to water so they come to a planet with a shit load of water to do their shit. That or it would just suck out right.

I've seen worse: Earth-invading aliens that can be killed by light.

Re:So let me get this straight.

[drxenos]

There was a sequel to the original movie?

Re:So let me get this straight.

[Lord Apathy]

Holy shit! That even looks bad on the box....

Re:Excellent

[MountainMan101]

A spell checker in a web browser?

1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[MikeRT]

A final movie to finish off the series would be a great move. 2-2.5 hours of non-stop sci fi action, that finally ends with the Ori facing defeat. I mean, after this point, there's no returning to the story. It's over, all conceivable bad guys that could be a threat are dead. Even the wraith are finished as they'd be hopelessly outgunned technologically by a race far more willing to wipe them out. The second one just reminds me of a last ditch effort to revive some of the time traveling storylines from the series. Bad, bad move. It'll be at best anti-climactic at that point.

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[jimstapleton]

Agreed, the first one looks real good... I can't wait.

I really don't even want to think about watching the second one. That is painful enough... But to actually watch it..

oh god! I'm thinking about it... *cringe*

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[forgotten_my_nick]

> all conceivable bad guys that could be a threat are dead

Ascended wraith Prior inhabited by gould?

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[metlin]

Ascended replicator wraith prior inhabited by a goa'uld would be better, don't you think? =)

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[forgotten_my_nick]

lol, knew I forgot something.

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[powerlord]

How about a Formerly Ascended, replicator-wraith Prior, inhabited by a goa'uld, with access to Technology developed by the Furling? :P

Re:1st one good idea, 2nd one bad idea

[Babbster]

I know time travel has been overdone but when it's done well I think it's a lot of fun. For example, Back to the Future I and III were fun movies (II was a mess), and time-traveling in SG1 has been done pretty darn well (in particular, I'm thinking of the one where the team went back to 1969 - I believe titled "1969" - which was played for fun, and the one where they had to send a message back in time to avert Earth's depopulation which is one of my all-time favorite episodes). The plot for the second SG1 movie sounds like they'll be playing it for action, and as long as they don't do anything too lame (like spending a lot of time trying to convince people that "this is just wrong" - just about ruined the TNG finale) it should be a fun ride. Then again, I'm perfectly willing to accept these movies as, essentially, good three-part TV episodes. I've reached the point with Stargate that I've liked it for so long that I can't get too critical about it. :)

Plot Synopsis

[Paulrothrock]

Movie 1: The evil aliens do something and one or more of the team are put in jeopardy. The rest of the team accomplishes a harrowing rescue and then the commander says something moderately amusing just before the end credits. Movie 2: The team goes to another planet that looks suprisingly like Vancouver and then some evil aliens separate one or more of them and the others accomplish a harrowing rescue. Then the commander says something moderately amusing just before Teal'c raises his eyebrow in disbelief.

Re:Plot Synopsis

[AndroidCat]

Do you mean that Vancouver isn't another planet? I'd been hoping to see the great White Spot...

Re:Plot Synopsis

[dargon]

Vancouver no, but Kelowna sure is ;)

Re:Plot Synopsis

[nytes]

Well, at least they didn't rehash old plot lines. I hate it when they do that.

Re:Plot Synopsis

[Deadplant]

Leaking a movie script like that is NOT COOL.
You've totally ruined the movie-going experience for me.

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[AndroidCat]

I'm just really sick of time travel and alternate reality crap. It's been done to death

Hey, that could work! Death goes back in time to help his younger self, and ends up playing a guitar solo at the big dance. Or maybe Death gets to see a nice little town at Christmas where Death never happened? A whole series of Time Travel done to Death shows!

hmm

[mastershake_phd]

Devlin(writer of original movie) has, however, stated that he plans to write his own sequel to Stargate separately to its spin-offs, providing two versions of the continuing story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate

Re:hmm

[dilvish_the_damned]

Devlin(writer of original movie) has, however, stated that he plans to write his own sequel to Stargate separately to its spin-offs, providing two versions of the continuing story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate

Homer - "hmmm, Highlander.... [slobber]"

Actually, they're TV movies, not Cinema movies.

[MROD]

The actual announcment of these films was a few months back and they're going to be TV movies for the SciFi channel. For more details browse ISN.

Bring back Jack

[Anonymous Coward]

IMHO Jack O' Neill (Richard Dean Anderson) made Stargate SG-1 what it was. Everything that's been done since the actor's departure from the show as a regular cast member just rings hollow to me.

Maybe I'm just slow to embrace change, after all, I have the same complaint about the new Doctor Who seasons (Eccleston vs. Tennant)

Re:Bring back Jack

[AndroidCat]

SPOILER WARNING!

A cliffhanger two-parter, and then the Reality Reset button gets pushed. Zero net effect except for a couple extra ZPMs (to make up for the one lost in the parallel universe Reality Reset episode).

Re:Bring back Jack

[Vitriol Angst]

Maybe I'm just slow to embrace change, after all, I have the same complaint about the new Doctor Who seasons (Eccleston vs. Tennant)

>> That's the whole charm of the Dr. Who franchise... you get to complain that the current actor is a pale imitation of the previous actor.
Personally, I like the guy with the big scarf -- the rest are just poor imitations.

Re:Bring back Jack

[hal2814]

"Personally, I like the guy with the big scarf -- the rest are just poor imitations."

That is an interesting plot twist. The three doctors who preceeded the "the guy with the big scarf" actually travelled forward in time to see the 4th Doctor so they could then imitate him. Too bad they did an abysmal job of imitation. I guess the 2nd one came closest but I get the idea that the 1st and 3rd didn't even try.

Personally, I like all of them except for the rather abysmal 7th Doctor but that was more for my deeply felt hatred of Mel and Ace.

Re:Bring back Jack

[Artifakt]

Tom Baker was OK, but the best two doctors are still Rowan Atkinson (as the 9th), and Joanna Lumley (as the 13th).

Re:Bring back Jack

[Roman Coder]

Maybe I'm just slow to embrace change, after all, I have the same complaint about the new Doctor Who seasons (Eccleston vs. Tennant)

Thats ok, I still consider Tom Baker the best doctor of them all. Funny enough, Eccleston reminded me of Baker the most of all of the doctors that followed Baker, but I do actually enjoy watching Tennant as well.

Oh! I didn't realize at the time, but Tennant plays an evil character in the last Harry Potter movie. Funny watching him with his tongue darting out of his mouth, after having seen him act as the Doctor. :)

Re:Can they kill Vala?

[Anonymous Coward]

How about the rest of the SG1 team get real with Vala?

Carter: The truth is, we've never really liked you.
Daniel: You have no idea how I've been stretched as an actor.
Teal'c: Indeed, I believe Dr Jackson has a parting gift for you.
Daniel: It's actually from us all. (hands Vala object)
Vala: What is it, a weapon?
Daniel: Of sorts, it's a device the ancients kept locked away.
Carter: The ancients called it the dildo of death.
O'Neil: With story lines like this, I'd still be in the series.

Re:Movie to Series ... to Movie

[Short Circuit]

Redundant? The article text talked as though the original movie never existed...

Re:Stargate: The Ark of Truth

[Architect_sasyr]

You missed the time loop idea...

Stargate: The temple of Stargate: The temple of Stargate: The temple of...

Woo!

[Rob T Firefly]

Hooray for the continuing adventures of Captain Space MacGyver!

Re:Woo!

[Higman]

Don't you mean General Space MacGyver?

Re:Can they kill Vala?

[AndroidCat]

You know, that's not quite what I expected Excalibur to look like...

Re:Excellent

[NotQuiteReal]

So why wood ewe think a spiel chucker can help quality of posts? Don't be such a podiatrist. Their will still be grammar things rang.

Ha!

[east coast]

Presence2 noted that MGM announced that the Stargate franchise will migrate to the big screen

And end up failing miserably like every other sci-fi tv to big screen endeavour outside of Trek TOS?

While the original SG movie was pretty good the TV series just doesn't have the same energy to it. And what makes this even worse is that just about everything that has gone from a TV series to the big screen in sci-fi just seems to have the same feel as a very long episode of the TV series. Trek at least put a few years between it's TV series and motion picture release, maybe that was the key to Trek's theater success versus everyone else's failures. Even the Trek TNG films just seemed like long episodes to me.

Re:Ha!

[PhoenixFlare]

And end up failing miserably like every other sci-fi tv to big screen endeavour outside of Trek TOS?

I doubt it, since it seems atm that they'll either be direct-to-DVD or TV-only. Slashdot and the linked site are woefully behind, these movies have been known about for at least a few weeks now.

Re:Ha!

[zakezuke]

Trek at least put a few years between it's TV series and motion picture release, maybe that was the key to Trek's theater success versus everyone else's failures. Even the Trek TNG films just seemed like long episodes to me.

Trek TOS only had three seasons before it was cancled, and remained in syndication. And actually there was a plan to have another trek series, StarTrek Mach 2 or some such, but star wars sort of encouraged NBC to not release another sci-fi series. The movie (The motion sickness) was based on the mach/phase II scripts. But regardless Trek is very much the Little Engine That Could... cancled, movied, and reserialed several times. To be honest, while I was disapointed that Enterprise was cancled, I think I've had my fill of trek.

Stargate on the otherhand, 10 straight seasons. That's up there with Happy Days, Jag, Friends, almost as many as M.A.S.H. It doesn't need any armchair quarterbacking, it's already successful. Even if the two movies fail, and Atlantis gets cancled, It's still worthy of a Smithsonian exhibit.

Re:Ha!

[Vitriol Angst]

Spoken like a person who hasn't seen Serenity.

Re:Ha!

[Beyond_GoodandEvil]

The movie (The motion sickness) was based on the mach/phase II scripts
If that is a clever way to say "The Changeling". Then yes, the first movie was based on mach/phase II scripts.

Ori - greatest thing since sliced bread

[dino213b]

It's all about the religious fundamentalism.

How else could you tie a Sci-Fi show to current events? "Enterprise" had nothing to link it to current events (with the exception of the terrorism episode) and it neatly failed. On the other hand, you have Stargate SG1 making a human to Sci-Fi connection: Religious fundamentalism, Crusades, Terrorism, Homicide Bombings (is that the latest "hip" P.C. name for a suicide bomber?) etc.

However, I am curious how they will translate this cultural clash into the big screen: The Sheep Picture

Re:Ori - greatest thing since sliced bread

[initialE]

You should go watch some BSG then. I thought I was watching the news...

Death knoll

[BadERA]

The SG-1 story is played out. Season after season, it had grown repetitive -- defeat seemingly invincible evil empire of bad guys after impending doom scenario, wash, repeat. At first, despite being a hardcore sci fi buff, and enjoying the movie as an adolescent, I found the series campy, and almost unwatchable, even with RDA (old school MacGyver fan here too) in a leading role. A year or two into it, it finally grabbed my interest. The Go'auld plot line was original, I finally had a replacement for ST: TNG. Then along came the Replicators, and deja vu set in. The Ori were the final straw for me -- more all-powerful bad guys who, in 10-15 episodes, are suddenly not so all-powerful anymore. SG: Atlantis has been a disappointment as well. The franchise is beat, let this horse be dead in peace already.

Re:Death knoll

[cowscows]

The thing is, they have a plot device (the stargate), that makes just about any other plot feasible. While the longer story arcs are interesting, I've often more enjoyed the occasional one-off episodes that have no bearing on the continuity of the series.

Instead of epic battles between good and evil with the fate of the whole galaxy in the balance, how about just a group of explorers traveling to a planet that they know nothing about. Maybe it takes an episode or two to tell the whole story, but whatever happens doesn't have to fit into some larger arc. The long-term development happens more within the characters themselves than within the plot-line of the fictional universe. I know that serial episodes with lots of twists and cliffhangers are all the rage right now, but that's not the only way to run a show.

If I want to watch a show about fancy new technologies being invented at the last minute to save the day, there are years of star trek I can go through. Stargate is much more interesting when they don't try to copy that, and instead when they show a group of people from our time and culture exploring weird things, and interacting with stuff they don't understand.

Re:Death knoll

[BadERA]

agreed, to an extent ... I think the problem is, however ... they've touched on a lot of exploring. they've saved entire populations from problems both local and galactic. what's left that SG1 hasn't covered, Atlantis hasn't tried to cover, Star Trek never covered? The series is 10 years old ... I think it's hard to come up with truly new material, week after week after week, all revolving around the Stargate concept. They're in a box, and they've done a good job of filling it up, now it's starting to feel like it's bursting at the seams.

Re:Death knoll

[BobSutan]

I thought the same exact thing as you did and I didn't really get interested in SG1 until the 5th or 6th season or so as I was flipping through channels and actually watched a few eps. After that I was curious about the show, got the earlier seasons on Netflix, and from then on I was hooked. I thought the show was played out when RDA left the show and thought it was finished. However, I really like the new direction they've taken the show the last 2 seasons. Being in the military and the more militant edge the show has embraced really does it for me. I like the military and the tech toys they don't hold back on using now. Plus they actually kill off characters pretty regularly now, albeit none of the main characters have bit the dust....yet. Overall I think they've done well, but the show certainly isn't what it was 3, 4, or even 7 seasons ago, which I too thought were a bit campy. Now they've lost most of that and have added a touch more seriousness to the series' flavor. IMO that's a well added feature. For long-term fans I guess that's not what you're looking for. That's fine, but the show could easily continue on in my opinion so long as everyone knew full well that their fanbase would be slightly shifted, mainly from guys like you towards guys like me.

Re:Death knoll

[Reziac]

I first encountered Stargate somewhere in the middle of season 4 or 5 (I'm still not sure, having not worked that far thru the DVDs yet.. I bought the whole set). And what I could get on TV here was spotty at best; frex, the local syndication channel skipped the entire Jonas season. Anyway, I've seen all of seasons 1, 2, 3; parts of 4/5/6; most of 8 and 9. And I've likewise seen about 2/3rds of the first 2 Atlantis seasons (and haven't got to the S1 DVDs I just picked up). Enough for a fair overview of the SG universe.

Anyway... you're right, the show =has= changed -- because it's not afraid to shift gears depending on SG-current events. Sometimes we have a desperate struggle that needs a more militaristic approach; sometimes we just have small events that ordinary folks can cope with. IMO, they ALL work, because they fit whatever is happening NOW. And unlike some fans, I don't need my fictional universes set in stone. :)

As to the campy episodes, they've had one almost every season, and they are always my least-liked. I just don't care for camp SF. But the series has been good enough overall that I forgive the occasional lapse.

Like SG-1, Atlantis started off a little wobbly (sometimes a lot wobbly.. I still can't stand Weir, she reminds me of Barbara Boxer!) but has grown and changed as circumstances required. Not a problem in my book. After all, without change there'd be nothing new to do and explore. :)

Re:Death knoll

[BobSutan]

I agree on all accounts. I too never really liked Weir, but the current actress is better than the original IMO. However, I still don't like her features. She reminds me of what Skeletor's daughter would have looked like. Yikes! Then again, this past episode, titled "Sunday", let out her feminine side and really softened the character to a likable level IMO.

By the way, Tao of Rodney and Sunday are probably the best Atlantis episodes to date. If you get a chance, definitely check them out. Both are very heartfelt and character driven.

Re:Death knoll

[Reziac]

I haven't seen the original Weir. The current actress is okay; it's the character I dislike. I have no idea what Weir's doctorate is in, but she's a politician first and foremost -- and it really shows in her gaggy "inspirational speeches". Exactly true to the character, but annoying nonetheless.

There've been a couple of the John Wayne military types I've wanted to smack upside the head too, but otherwise as a group they're generally pretty sensible.

I have a friend who was obviously cloned to create Rodney :) Rodney is more overtly obnoxious, but otherwise their personalities are *identical*, and they even look somewhat alike! Both classic almost-schiz types. -- It's always a pleasant surprise when Rodney shows some balls, or when he thinks beyond what HE wants and what makes HIM look good... it's a nice break from wishing something bad would happen to him, just to prove him wrong :)

We won't get current eps on TV here for at least a year, maybe two, but I'll be snagging the DVDs as soon as they get to Sam's or Costco....!!

Small, not Big screen

[Bulk70]

These are actually straight to DVD/TV films, see: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?date=01/15 /07&id=20070115mgm01

Re:The last 2 seasons

[ptlis]

As far as I am concerned Stargate SG1 "jumped the shark" when Annubis was killed.

I can't help but agree with you; there have been some good episodes of SG1 after that point (most of season 8's conclusion was decent enough), but season 9 & 10 have been dire overall - the Ori as an enemy are just uninteresting. However, I disagree strongly with you about Atlantis - at first I was reluctant to even watch it and when I did start watching the first few episodes I did so with a very strong bias against it, however the bias was unwarranted and in fact Atlantis is the only thing that has been maintaining my interest in the Stargate franchise as of late. Though there are parallels that can be drawn between the main Atlantis and SG1 casts there are more than enough differences in terms of personality and history to keep my interest in them. I only hope that with the release of these two movies they finally bury SG1 :/

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What'll they think of next?

[illegalcortex]

How about a movie based on a play based on a movie about a play?

Re:What'll they think of next?

[kzinti]

Hmm... The Producers?

Re:The last 2 seasons

[drrck]

The real killer was when they brought in Cameron Mitchell as well as Vala. It was like I was watching Farscape http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187636/ all over again!

Re:The last 2 seasons

[HikingStick]

I know "jumped the shark" has taken on a cultural context of decline, but did you realize that Happy Days actually posted better ratings after the episode in which the Fonz jumped the shark?

Re:The last 2 seasons

[mmcgreal]

I agree. I like Vala, Mitchell, and Atlantis. In fact, I actually prefer Atlantis. Although I will admit, I didn't start watching SG-1 until a few years ago. Don't know why I wasn't interested before, but since I found love for it, I've had a great time getting caught up. Condemning new developments seems petty to me. The production quality is much better now than it ever has been, and the plotlines are no more campy than they ever were, which is part of their charm.

Not to mention...

[Belial6]

Not to mention using the phrase 'Jump the shark' is in itself 'jumping the shark'.

Re:Stargate: The Ark of Truth

[Vitriol Angst]

I know, they could re-visit that time loop episode, because, theoretically, if an event loops once -- it loops forever at least in alternate dimensions. So the loop has to be "cut out" becuase it is taking up a lot of cycles amongst the different universes. Everything starts slowing down, so they must risk the device that speeds everyone up.

In fact, they could bring clips from every episode into the movie, because they "time loop" was creating a rare, time loop black hole, because the weight of the redundancy was drawing time into itself -- wasting time everywhere. As this time-suckage/wasting intensifies, and the flash-back sequences get shorter and faster, O'Neil or the new guy will say some gallows humor that is moderately funny, and they will rescue a team member in a harrowing and ill conceived plan.

The bonus is, they could keep doing this over and over (it's a time loop) and re-solve the same plot just by changing catch phrases and the costumes of bad guys.

Maybe throw in something where those invisible people are being attacked by simple yet efficient machines that construct dangerous weapons and take over their ships -- and only the primitive brute force of machine guns can damage them, requiring them to contact SG1 to save their race.

>> I think I've watched too much Stargate.

A Better Storyline

[airship]

Samantha Carter single-handedly develops a super-weapon that destroys both the Ori and the Wraith and is unanimously declared Queen of the Universe. Wearing an outfit creatively fashioned from a thin lace hanky, she chooses only the fattest and pimpliest of slobbering SciFi fanboys to slake her insatiable lust.

Re:A Better Storyline

[taustin]

I think they did that already, in season 15.

Re:A Better Storyline

[Deadplant]

Beautiful.
However, I don't think I'm the fattest or pimpliest so your script may need a little tweaking...
Also, I suggest that she will need Valla Maldoran as a second in command or something.. she makes me tingly.

Re:Movie to Series ... to Movie

[Vitriol Angst]

Yes, and even more depressing is, that this bright genius will get paid many times more than you and I put together.

Re:Heh

[Xaositecte]

Was pretty damned good

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[Mercano]

I am debating if you are intentionally alluding to Soul Music and Hogsfather (it's a weak link, granted), or its just coincidence. Or has Terry Pratchett done Death to death?

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[Eli Gottlieb]

Death meeting himself would be pointless. He can remember the future.

Re:Stargate: The Ark of Truth

[Criterion]

The DOS attack of time. I like it :).

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[iphayd]

>A whole series of Time Travel done to Death shows!

Hey! They could even cast that guy that played the captain on Enterprise as Death! ;P

Re:The last 2 seasons

[KillerBob]

They'd been planning to end the series at the end of Season 6. Then it got renewed. And again. And again. The final death knell was supposed to be at the end of Season 8. You don't think that time travel episode back to ancient Egypt, and the end scene with SG1 enjoying some downtime at Jack's cottage had a certain reek of "last episode"? Atlantis was envisioned as a replacement for the series, not a parallel series of events.

Then to everybody's surprise, it got renewed. But they'd already defeated the Goa'uld, and had to come up with a new enemy. Hence the Ori. The reason it got cancelled after Season 10 was because of exactly what you're saying: people got bored with the Ori, or weren't able to suspend their disbelief, or were just tired of the franchise. But there's still a few loose ends at the end of Season 10 that they need to tie up. I doubt it should make it to the silver screen, but a direct-to-TV miniseries that ties out the series would be in good taste. There are still a lot of diehard fans out there who want some closure to the storyline.

As for your not liking Atlantis, that's personal preference. I found I really started to enjoy the series about halfway through Season 2, and there've been some *really* intelligent episodes later on. Download McKay and Mrs. Miller (3x08), for example.

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[AndroidCat]

The first one was a Back to the Future/Soul Music cross, but the second one was It's a Wonderful Life. (pterry didn't invent Death, of course.)

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[BootNinja]

And here I thought it was a reference To Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey

1.5-2.0 hours of terrible acting!?!?!? NO THANKS!!

[dkarma]

Seriously who thought up this retarded idea....the stargate movie was OK and the richard dean anderson sg-1 is absolutely terrible crap....
I can't make it through an episode without laughing hysterically, or suppressing the urge to vomit from the terrible script, lines, actors, action, etc.

I'm sure the movie will tank and the MPAA will blame pirates for their losses.

Big Thank You

[kahrytan]

I think MGM needs a big thank you from all of Stargates Fans. SciFi channel wants to end the SG1 franchise, MGM says fuck no. Let's hope DVD sales skyrocket so it'll slap SciFi in the face to pick up the franchise again.

Re:Big Thank You

[nonsequitor]

Its my understanding that Stargate: Atlantis is not ending. Additionally, these movies are allegedly going to launch a new Earth based Stargate series as well, it just won't be Stargate: SG1 anymore.

Re:Big Thank You

[kahrytan]

Its my understanding that Stargate: Atlantis is not ending. Additionally, these movies are allegedly going to launch a new Earth based Stargate series as well, it just won't be Stargate: SG1 anymore. I am aware of this. SciFi dropped Sg-1 and choose to continue Atlantis. Writers/Directors fucked up SG-1. They introduced the Ori too soon. I would have loved to have seen actual end of the goauld. They could have gotten a full season or at very least a half a season from the goauld plot.

I got the impression from SG-1 stars that MGM has more plans for them in the announcement of the ending of the show.

Re:Big Thank You

[JimB]

I would not like to be too hasty in placing blame OR congratulations. After 10 years of "negotiated salaries", the price for a series can get quite out of hand. Having a "record-breaking" show can lead a studio to think they have a REAL "gold mine" on their hands. To top THAT off, having Comcast moving Stargate SG-1 to their "Digital Cable" offering, and REMOVING it from "Regular Cable" cut the number of folks who could watch the show.

That VP of programming at Sci-Fi came out and said that there will be NO TV show, anywhere with the name of "Stargate SG-1", because THEY (Sci-Fi) had a contract giving them rights to a show with that name. So he is either an ASS, or someone insulted him by asking FAR TOO MUCH money for renewal for season 11. We don't really know which one is true.

I actually thought the writing had improved quite a bit in the last two years. Each character was more "filled in", Daniel wasn't the "Whiny Bitch", Sam cound be "hot" AND an extremely intelligent woman, Teal'c actually voiced his opinions and took the lead on occasion, and the two new folks were good, strong, additions to the cast. It should have run for a couple of more years. Somehow, that got screwed up.

That, I was very sorry to hear.

Re:Big Thank You

[kahrytan]

I would not like to be too hasty in placing blame OR congratulations. After 10 years of "negotiated salaries", the price for a series can get quite out of hand. Having a "record-breaking" show can lead a studio to think they have a REAL "gold mine" on their hands. To top THAT off, having Comcast moving Stargate SG-1 to their "Digital Cable" offering, and REMOVING it from "Regular Cable" cut the number of folks who could watch the show.
 
That VP of programming at Sci-Fi came out and said that there will be NO TV show, anywhere with the name of "Stargate SG-1", because THEY (Sci-Fi) had a contract giving them rights to a show with that name. So he is either an ASS, or someone insulted him by asking FAR TOO MUCH money for renewal for season 11. We don't really know which one is true.
 
I actually thought the writing had improved quite a bit in the last two years. Each character was more "filled in", Daniel wasn't the "Whiny Bitch", Sam cound be "hot" AND an extremely intelligent woman, Teal'c actually voiced his opinions and took the lead on occasion, and the two new folks were good, strong, additions to the cast. It should have run for a couple of more years. Somehow, that got screwed up.
 
That, I was very sorry to hear.
  I hate networks that fuck up franchises by preventing it to be picked up by another network. It is the whole "If I can't have it, nobody will" mentality. Fox did it with Firefly. And SciFi VP obviously has the whole mind set too. MGM just has to wait for the contract to expire.

I don't mind the Ori seasons, I just felt that the goauld weren't finished properly.

Re:Stargate: The Ark of Truth

[HTH NE1]

Reminds me of the last episodes of ST:TNG. I'd considered the anomaly as effectively breaking the whole timeline into an infinite number of alternate timelines nearly parallel to each other but actually intersecting inside the anomaly.

I'm confused

[Kierthos]

The last episode I saw ended with a dragon about to breathe fire on the SG:1 team and Vala's daughter (HBIC of the Priors).

Wikipedia lists the new episodes as having started already, but I haven't seen a bit of advertising for them, nor does Sci-Fi's TV schedule even list them.

What the heck? Anyone know what is going on here?

Re:I'm confused

[irwtdvoys]

The rest of the season has already started to air on SkyOne in the UK, we are fortunate enough not to be subjected to the lame "mid season hiatus" that America is although we pay for it by starting the season later :( It airs Wednesdays at 8pm GMT, tonight! Yay!

Re:I'm confused

[Kierthos]

Aaaaaaaahhhhhh.... so the UK is actually seeing the new (well, they're new to me) episodes before the U.S.

Okay, as long as there's an explanation...

Re:I'm confused

[cyberdanx]

They're airing on sky one (uk). "The quest part 2" (ep 11) and a "line in the sand" (12) have already been shown. Atlantis has been airing in Canada.

Both series have been pretty good so far except I didn't get the very end of Sunday first time (******spoiler******: I wondered if he ascended first time I watched it).

Re:I'm confused

[LionMage]

Season 10 is in mid-season hiatus. Just to confuse matters, the SciFi network often refers to the last episode before the hiatus as a "season finale" and the first episode after the hiatus as a "season premiere."

According to the official website for SG-1, new episodes are "coming soon." Looks like the UK already got to see episodes we're currently waiting for, if comments in the Gateworld forum are to be believed.

So far, I haven't been able to pin down an exact air date for the US. The Wikipedia entries for SG-1's episodes only give the original airdate for "The Quest part 2" as January 9th, which appears to be the airdate for the UK. This kind of scheduling idiocy is why season 1 of Battlestar Galactica was well underway in the UK by the time it started airing in the US.

Best I can say: According to this forum thread, the second half of season 10 will begin airing here in the States in April. Kind of a long time to wait, IMHO.

Re:I'm confused

[refitman]

It's pretty sweet that we've got it on Sky over here, however they appear to be showing the episodes out of order.

According to epguides season 10 pt. 2 should go:
e12 The Quest
e13 Bounty
e14 The Shroud
e15 Line in the Sand
e16 The Road not Taken

They are actually showing them in this order:
e12 The Quest
e15 Line in the Sand
e16 The Road not Taken
e14 The Shroud
e13 Bounty

They appear to be trying their damnedest with this, and pushing the series back in America, to piss of the fans and kill the series.

Re:I'm confused

[JimB]

Check Gateworld, before you believe anyone else.

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/index.shtml

They usually (but not always) have it right.
[Not always because the back-half of this year's Atlantis are out of order.]

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fat 60-somethings huffing up stairs

[peter303]

Hey wait, thats Star Trek. At least not in the beginning of the movie franchise.

Re:Excellent

[Anonymous Coward]

Somebody needs a hug.

Re:Yawn @ second movie

[Kaki Nix Sain]

As long as it includes a crossover episode with the casts of every Trek and SG1 wherein they must fend off zombie farm animals with clubs.

Stargate: Infinite Crisis...es

[Jesus_666]

I'd considered the anomaly as effectively breaking the whole timeline into an infinite number of alternate timelines nearly parallel to each other but actually intersecting inside the anomaly.

Awesome! We'll apply that to the Stargate series and clean up any plotholes and other annoyances in one big special called "Crisis of the Infinite Stargates"! And in ten years we'll do it again!

Re:The last 2 seasons

[Babbster]

The only reason we know that there are loose ends to tie up after season 10 is because we've been told so. They haven't even finished showing season 10 yet. :)

meh

[Greg.Rodden]

SG-1 in my mind ended at the end of Season 8 with Jack O'Neil and the Goa'uld. This new one should of had a new name. I heard one person coin 'Stargate Command', in mind a lo better choice. The could of had another movie length intro and really establish that it was a different show. Oh well, at least we still have Atlantis.

Children of Man...

[Animaether]

Just to note - it does work the other way around sometimes as well. I do agree, hollywood 'B' movies certainly come out in the U.S. long before they do in The Netherlands, or they don't at all. Hollywood 'A' movies typically have less of a timegap. Some movies are released simultaneously or just a few days apart, which is the best yet. Sadly that means that I am going to have to wait for "Stranger than fiction" to come out on March 1st, 2007 - long after the 10 November 10th, 2006 release date in the U.S. In fact, this is after the reels have been passed through Latvia and Estonia. Hello authentic 'cinema experience' scratches, smudges, stretches, etc.

However, I would like to point out that it does happen the other way around as well. This applies to 'B' movies, 'intellectual' / Indie movies, but also to more typical 'hollywood'-ish movies such as Children of Man (October 23rd, 2006 in NL, January 5th, 2007 in US) - something a U.S. friend of mine was rather unhappy about and called it "unfair". And that it is.. in both directions.

No! We don't need persistent enemies.

[SanityInAnarchy]

They defeated the Goa'uld -- fine. Just keep in mind, this isn't the movie. There were plenty of good Stargate episodes that didn't deal with directly fighting some specific enemy.

The same thing is true of Star Trek, by the way. If you remember, there were probably a grand total of -- what -- 3 TOS episodes involving Klingons? Same with TNG -- The Borg are a persistent enemy, perhaps, but we almost never see them.

The Stargate writers need to go back and examine what worked in the plotlines which had absolutely nothing to do with enemies, certainly not the same old boring enemy, episode after episode, season after season.

Then again, I would agree with you that a last episode is a good thing. The worst Anime that I'm still addicted to is Bleach and Naruto, and they are ongoing -- compare to Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Noir, even Ghost in the Shell, which ran for one or two seasons, maybe one or two movies, each a self-contained story, a single plot with a definite ending. Naruto had the right idea, initially -- the Zabuza plotline ended -- but the Orochimaru/Sasuke thing was wearing a little thin, last I checked (around Ep 200).

So yes, I miss O'Neill, but what bugs me the most about the Ori is that we don't need to immediately replace one enemy with another, especially an enemy identical to the Goa'uld in just about every respect. Show us cool things like the superpower wristbands, learning to communicate with the Unus (sp?), Jaffa political issues, Earth political issues (maybe have a press release that isn't countered with holographic stuff?)... Even if you're going to give us another enemy, how about some really strange/creepy replicators? How about you grow some balls and actually kill off a beloved character -- should've killed O'Neill instead of retiring him to Hammond's position.

In other words, it would be really nice to see some actual creativity, or at least some variety in what you rip off from other sci-fi.

The Stargatocrats

[statemachine]

It's not about the punchline. We all know the punchline. It's all about the setup.

Sci-Fi channel goofed up

[usmc1944]

I bet that Sci-Fi cancelled the show and then realized that the episodes left were not enough to end the Ori saga... hence the movies. Meanwhile I already watched some of SG-Atlantis new episodes, they're available on the net.

Crossover

[Nurgled]

What would be amusing is to take the already-existing cross-over between SG-1 and Atlantis and just merge the two into one show. I'm not saying that it'd make great television, but it would certainly have the "Fuck you Sci-Fi!" charm.

totaly OT (regarding Stargate)

[hany]

You tell them, Troll!

:)

Now, I'm awaiting my moderation of this meta-discussion.

Sorry if I waste anyones time or mod-points but frankly, some moderations are quite ... questionable and I see that StikyPad's post #17654484 is still at score 2, Troll. Which is IMO unfair.