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Sun Offering Optimized AMP Stack On Solaris
tbray writes "This is your friendly local Sun corporate drone reporting that we're going to be building and optimizing and DTrace-ing and shipping and supporting the AMP part of LAMP (details here). I think that basically the whole tech industry, excepting Microsoft, is now at least partly in the AMP camp."
Will Sun also be rolling out energy drinks for server admins?
We're going to be building and optimizing and DTrace-ing and shipping and supporting the AMP part of LAMP (details here).
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How about an optimizied, Dtraced and -l"-froot" free telnetd?
...Microsoft is announcing an optimized ISA (IIS Server, SQL Server, ASP.NET) Linked List on Windows Vista(TM). More details to follow.
Sun still thinks they're "the whole tech industry". Except Microsoft.
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... you can use the acronym STAMP.
THIS is an amp stack. /dundee
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Seems to me that this is not so much News as it is "snooze..."
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
Microsoft is indeed working on optimizing PHP for Windows, and they certainly support Python with IronPython (which is quite often faster than CPython).
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But spend the same amount of money on the LAMP stacks, and you get can high availability plus database replication, load balanced multiple application servers, plus the bandwidth, and probably most of the programming expense, pepsi and pizza a team could could consume -- per year.
Seems to me that ASP and Java are the tired stacks. Not LAMP & Ruby.
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
SAMP = SAMe Product
That's cute.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Those of us who have some fairly big Sun iron would love to see this happen post haste. That would take some of the hodge-podge out of a few systems that I work on/with. Trying to ditch the Oracle license fees is a GoodThing!
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Really. How long has that been?
I'm wondering if my Vista DVD will get to my house quicker.
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I wish there were a simple tool I could run that would analyze a LAMP install and migrate it to Postgres instead of MySQL.
I don't want to get into a holy war about the relative merits: we already use Postgres, we will not support two database systems, we are not switching from Postgres to MySQL. MySQL might be good for others, but not for us.
But we do get these LAMP apps that come bundled with MySQL. Usually they don't use any MySQL specific features that Postgres (and maybe moving some functions across the app/DB boundary) can't directly support. So I'd like to get a LAMP -> LAPP migrator that will automate the switch. Leaving optimizations for after the switch, to be performed by other (Postgres) tools or programmers/DBAs. The open source of these two DBs, and the open source of all these LAMP apps, should make migration between them accessible.
I'm sure there are lots of people like me. Where's the tool that makes the open source as good for migrating among these programs as creating them from scratch?
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What makes the MS stack shine, is the developer tools. Try debugging through from the webserver to the webservices, debug the XSLT, down into the database and into the stored procedures in LAMP.
If you could do it it would take at least 5 different applications running on different machines. There is nothing like being able to watch a particular users request flow right through the whole system. Yeah it takes a few minutes to setup all the watch conditions on production hardware, but in DEV it is just beautiful.
sounds way cooler
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strcmp confirms it, SAMP is greater than LAMP!
Recently Sun was giving out source SDKs for many of their products on DVDs for free. I'm still waiting for mine in the mail, but until then, I'll keep testing OpenSolaris on my test box which has been alive and kicking since 2000 with no upgrades! :D
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This would be Sun getting-around-to optimising the 2nd rate web server package they offer. Customers demand it, so Sun offers it, but they'd rather sell you a Java Servlet based web server. (Dunno if Sun has a preferred SQL DB to go on the far side of those JDBC connections, but I prefer PostgreSQL to MySQL.)
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In any case, it's probably best to disable telnetd with svcadm disable telnet Better yet, next time you install or upgrade use the "reduced networking profile" which has most services disabled (not ssh).
"Yeah, because they have ASP.NET, which pretty much blows the doors off of most other things productivity-wise."
As a ASP.NET programmer let me be the first one to say BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!.
ASP.NET makes it easy to slap controls on a screen and bind them to a recordset. If that was the entirety of your programming efforts then it would be productive. In the real world that's like 10% of job or less. In the real world I have debugging, refactoring, building, deploying, testing, and a billion other tasks where visual studio gets in my way and windows itself throws up roadblocks the size of winnebegos.
When you consider the the whole of the software development life cycle ASP.NET and visual studio are at the bottom of the stack.
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I have a feeling Dtrace probes might be a big, big win here - if they instrument it as they have the Solaris system itself that level of performance tuning integrated into the entire software stack may allow for some Really Impressive payoffs.
On the high end, bottlenecks are something to really watch for and identify, and Dtrace is an excellent tool for that sort of activity. This will be very interesting to watch.
Also, if Solaris DOES go GPLv3, the immediate availability of a superior SAMP stack that is GPL could turn a lot of heads, and may even displace some LAMP systems quickly and painlessly.
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Its not that you *have* to do that amount of debugging, but that you *can*. I suppose it does matter if you have several teams that write different tiers of a n-tier architecture (we've done that - web monkeys wrote the front end to a specified API, DBdevs write stored procedures. Poor application programmers get the blame when anything goes wrong, and poor system/middleware devs have to then find out who's right (or wrong as is the case). So being able to debug all the way through is rather handy.
Really - don't knock something for being good.
Remember that the original article was about SAMP stack - and the amount of money you can spend on MS stuff pales into insignificance when you start buying Sun hardware!
LAMP still easily give you the best price/performance.
The answer is in the form of a question: do you have any clue as to what you're talking about?
I'm being completely serious here.
Anyone who knows anything about the IT marketplace will know that of the UNIX-variant operating systems (yes, that includes Linux), Sun Solaris has quite a significant share. In fact, a good deal of the professional UNIX admins out there prefer Solaris over the other choices, and again, that includes Linux.
Java is big in the finance industry because: 1) it's not subject to a monopoly, and 2) there's still somebody to sue when something goes wrong.
do their AMPs go to 11?
Saying your "phone ran out of batteries" is like saying your "car ran out of gas tanks".
Beter use Dtrace to trace the telnet bug.
But you don't need Sun hardware to run Solaris, so it can cost exactly as much as Linux: the cost of the hardware.
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How is this different from their already-available CoolStack, which I'm already running on my T2000?
...they don't really explain it.
http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
If you need to use an interactive debugger at all, I find YOUR competency suspect.
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Failover and bare metal recovery are a lot harder with MS systems - do you really want to be adding to the downtime by waiting on hold to MS in India to get an activation code before you can set up a replacement machine? All other vendors have options to deal with licencing in this situation becuase they actually are ready for the enterprise.
Actually, it's about reliability, scalability, and find-a-developer-who-is-familiar-with-the-technolo gy-ility. If you find a *nix sysadmin they more than likely have some knowledge of Apache. PHP developers are a dime a dozen. Why force another tool that gives you 10% better performance when you'll have to retrain your employees and not be able to get TONS of free support on top of your paid for support? I could ramble on and on but you get the idea. It makes business sense.
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FTA: >> I think that basically the whole tech industry, excepting Microsoft, is now at least partly in the AMP camp.
Industry standards are generally incompatible with Microsoft's longstanding "Rube Goldberg" software development model.
Basically Derby is a major improvement on the idea behind Access. It's got a tiny foot-print (2MB), super easy to install and configure, great application development integration via libraries, uses a standard SQL interface, etc. If you were in a MS shop and might use Access to house the information Derby is a good solution for you in Java land.
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You need an interactive debugger to know what the program is doing. Unless of course you write %100 bug free code which I doubt
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In C++, some memory leaks can only be hunted and eliminated with an interactive debugger, so if that's what you were talking about, you're right.
But I don't see it necessary at all in an interpreted language, and 99% of code nowadays is written in interpreted or managed languages.
You can use printf, echo, Response.Write(), wxMessageBox() or whatever to debug a program without having to use an interactive debugger at all. I made a windows DLL recently, and I know I didn't used a debugger. I just used the return value of the exported function in the DLL to do all the debugging.
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I use LLPR => Linux, Lighttpd, Postgresql, Rails :)
The most common usage, in my experience, is troubleshooting unexpected behavior with other people's code. Had to use it a number of times recently with OJB, to figure out why something is happening that shouldnt be.
Not that I necessarily disagree with you in general, but in this specific case, that doesnt make much sense.
You just build the box, put it back in production, and take your time over the next 30 days to work out activation. There's no critical path preventing you from moving the box back into production until after its activated.
Based on yoy revnue and profit growth over the last 2 quarters this will only help sun sales and not hurt it anyway. All the moves that sun has been making recently makes solid business sense. Hopefully they will continue to increase their user base steadily.
LAMP still easily give you the best price/performance.
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Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
"basically the whole tech industry, excepting Microsoft, is now at least partly in the AMP camp"
Go to any job site of your choice.
Do searches on
apache
mysql
perl or PHP
Then do searches on
Oracle
Java
Allowing that most Java development is on the server side, try to draw a conclusion. Are these people spending good money advertising these jobs because they are using the technologies?. Is the whole tech industry, except Microsoft at least partly in the AMP camp or just the tiny bit that you are familiar with?
Perl, in the meanwhile, works like a charm, and out of the box on Solaris ;-)
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You don't *need* to use an editor, you can write your programs with cat if you really want to. Not using the best tool for the job is a sign of stupidy rather than proficiency.
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PHP ? Perl ? Python ? All of them ?
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Not sure why Sun isn't advertising their new commitment to selling 'optimized SPAM' systems. The marketing just writes itself...
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