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Animation Tool Puts You in the Game

Matthew Sparkes writes "A new technique could take a simple body scan and allow a user to upload it and use it as an avatar or game character. Previously an animator would have to create a skeleton inside the model and describe movement capabilities manually. In tests, an inexperienced user could produce the animations in less than 15 minutes."

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  1. Obligatory joke by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 5, Funny

    /me makes the obligatory joke about how most Slashdot readers would probably not want a real body scan of them used as their avatar in games.

    1. Re:Obligatory joke by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, because then the next thing you know World of Warcraft servers will suddenly be overpopulated with dwarves.

    2. Re:Obligatory joke by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Very fat dwarves, at that.

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    3. Re:Obligatory joke by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As an avatar, oh hell no. As shootable zombies, oh hell yes.

    4. Re:Obligatory joke by Ayal.Rosenthal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think its just Slashdot readers who wouldn't want their real body scanned for an avatar. I can imagine overweight people with slim avatars making fun of overweight people with overweight avatars because of the dual identity thing. What would be funny would be requiring good-looking people to use ugly folks' images and then get made fun of.

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    5. Re:Obligatory joke by DogDude · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between ugly and overweight. It's not necessarily the fault of an "ugly" person for being "ugly". 99.9% of the time, there's exactly one person to blame for overweight-ness... and that's the overweight person.

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    6. Re:Obligatory joke by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most of them will probably just make a character from their genitals.....

    7. Re:Obligatory joke by Ayal.Rosenthal · · Score: 1

      You sir are correct on the distinction. That said, while not all ugly people are fat, many fat people are ugly. Also, it is likely that being ugly causes self-esteem issues that manifests themselves as over-indulgent eating. (There are also those unfortunate folks for whom genetics has made it nearly impossible to be normal-sized, but as you wrote they are the minority of overweight people and I sympathize with their difficulty.)

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    8. Re:Obligatory joke by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Most of them will probably just make a character from their genitals.....

      Indeed. Didn't one game already try this for faces and end up with a lot of penis- and vagina-faced avatars running around?

      If you let the end-user upload the data, you don't know what alterations he'll be making to that data. You could end up sitting behind someone with goatse for a head in the virtual cinema.

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    9. Re:Obligatory joke by profplump · · Score: 2

      99.9% of the time people who are depressed have only one person to blame -- themselves. They could simply work every day at making changes to their lifestyle, relationships, and brain chemistry to be happy. It's not any less true than your fat line, but it's not an opinion most people would be proud to express.

      I'm not saying fat people shouldn't work to improve their situation, but failing to sympathize *at all* because it "their own fault" is a little extreme, particularly if they are working to improve their body.

      Moreover if someone is born fat to fat parents, and has been raised overfed and under-active since birth, is is really their fault that they aren't suddenly thin at 18? How early are people supposed to notice their parent's bad habits and break them, and how long do we give them to overcome 18 years of bad training and habits?

    10. Re:Obligatory joke by Avatar8 · · Score: 1
      Possibly, but if I could see an avatar with my big gut and butt running, jumping and fighting orcs... that'd be pretty funny.


      I think the product/item/service will sell as long as people can modify their scans: tummy tuck, butt tuck, chest lift, etc.

      I'd be happy with pasting my face onto a model in WoW. At least then my guild would know the face behind the paladin.

    11. Re:Obligatory joke by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      Yep. I'm in the same boat. BMI of 16.5. Shopping for clothing is very depressing, since I'm not fond of suspenders. I do, however, buy a lot of long socks.

      Not too many years ago, the skinniest sizes were for people in the bottom half of the range considered healthy. How I long for the good old days...

      (And don't tell me to go see a doctor. I live with one.)

    12. Re:Obligatory joke by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      Try the jeans at Old Navy.

    13. Re:Obligatory joke by enjerth · · Score: 1

      Suddenly, modeling agencies (RL models) have a VR talent. They'll license their body scan to you for an annual fee.

    14. Re:Obligatory joke by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you get asked "Honey, do you think my avatar's ass looks too big?" NEVER say 'yes'.

    15. Re:Obligatory joke by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      No, just trolls.

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    16. Re:Obligatory joke by popeye44 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fat basement dwelling Geeks need not apply. Unless your mom says it's ok.

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    17. Re:Obligatory joke by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      ..|.

      I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can!

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    18. Re:Obligatory joke by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 1

      Ha ha true! Imagine if you will... a whole server full of troll avatars doing that stupid dance. Ah wait it looks like that all the time in Orgrimmar anyways.

    19. Re:Obligatory joke by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      You're even worse off than I am. According to a quick BMI, I'm at 21.1 - 21.9 which is supposed to be a healthy number for my height and weight.

      What's really annoying is when I see a 40x29 pair of pants but can't find a 30x29 pair. In other words, if you look like an inverted pear, you're fine. If you're fit and trim, too bad.

      For years (at least 10) I've been trying to get stores to increase their selection size, including writing to their respective HQs. No luck. So I've given up going to these stores and wrote about how stores are refusing to stock clothes for the fit and trim.

      And I'm not the only one. I happened to come across a blog title 'Some Small Sense' about a girl in NY who is 4' 8" and 98 lbs who is having an even harder time finding clothes. One would think that living in Manhattan it wouldn't be that big a deal but nope, the stores refuse (and refuse is the correct word) to stock clothes she can wear.

      I guess the only options left are twofold:

      1) buy a few shares of stock in each store, show up at a shareholders meeting and ask in open session why the stores are costing the shareholders 5-10% in sales by refusing to stock said clothes OR

      2) file a class-action, discrimination lawsuit

      Neither is appealing but both are the only options left.

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    20. Re:Obligatory joke by chriseyre2000 · · Score: 1

      There are other options: Make you own clothes. Set up you own business selling clothes for healthy people.

    21. Re:Obligatory joke by teflaime · · Score: 1

      Go to the little Korean guy three block over, with the sign in the window tha says Alterations....I hear he makes a killer Levis knockoff.

  2. The real question is... by Reason58 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When will this technology be applied to pornography?

    1. Re:The real question is... by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who do you think paid for the research?

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    2. Re:The REAL question is... by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      Does anyone want to play an MMOPRG where all the characters are fat, bearded nerds with Star Wars t-shirts?

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  3. hmm by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A new technique could take a simple body scan and allow a user to upload it and use it as an avatar or game character. Previously an animator would have to create a skeleton inside the model and describe movement capabilities manually.

    This sounds like a complete Serkis.

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    1. Re:hmm by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      They all come out looking like this

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    2. Re:hmm by Duggeek · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a game will come out that requires a real body-scan. (C'mon, S/L --be a pioneer for once!)

      In the weeks that follow, this tale might be told:

      [quoting myself - a hypothetical chat between two gamers...]
      There's something following us! They are the Squallum. Gamers that had a scan of their physical bodies made into their own Avatar... a shadow of their former selves.

      They love and hate their Avatars as they love and hate themselves. Their need for gaming has drawn them here, and their need for geek-cred has created the desire for “IRL” Avatars.

      My heart tells me that these Avatars have some part to play yet, for good or ill...

      Now I just thought of what this will bring... pasty nerds coughing-up coin to other, not-so-pasty geeks for their body-scans. Maybe it will pay for your next month at the gym?

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  4. hmm by mastershake_phd · · Score: 1

    What about scans for the portly gentleman?

  5. "a simple body scan" by TodMinuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We've come a long way, haven't we?

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  6. Next, jai alai against the Master Control Program! by csoto · · Score: 1

    Or light cycles. Gotta ride the cycles...

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  7. Re:Next, jai alai against the Master Control Progr by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

    I must have been reading Slashdot too long. My eyes scanned that as Master Control Penguin.

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  8. Missing the point by Belgarath52 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I had the figure of a muscle-bound warrior I'd be out partying at clubs and getting girls, not playing WoW. The point of online games is to experience a different reality.

    Next step: if you don't actually know how to fight, your character can't either.

    1. Re:Missing the point by Cerberus7 · · Score: 1

      In that game, spell-casters would be SO screwed.

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    2. Re:Missing the point by BarrilPrime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see this really being the situation. Sure, you could upload your own person as an avatar, but that doesn't mean you cant modify it in some way. I'm sure if they decided to put in this capability, you would be able to modify attributes of your player model.

      Even if they didn't have this capability, there are many people in the world that would like to see themselves doing things they cannot or would not be able to do.

    3. Re:Missing the point by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      In that game, spell-casters would be SO screwed. Speak for yourself. ;)

    4. Re:Missing the point by Trunklebob · · Score: 1

      My dream since I was a kid was to appear in a video game. Since I'm not in the industry, nor likely to become famous enough for someone to put me in a game, this is the next best thing. Fortunately, mostly play sports sims, so I usually have the option to customize a player. I spent 45 minutes w/ Tiger Woods 2006 making a player that resembled me (well, me minus 40 pounds).

      Now they just need perfect speech technology to seamlessly inline my name in commentary (or cut-scenes, or whatever), and the illusion will be complete.

    5. Re:Missing the point by DaleGlass · · Score: 1

      Why WoW? There are more things out there. I bet quite a few people would like to use this in Second Life. Make an avatar based on yourself first, then modify it to perfection.

    6. Re:Missing the point by patonw · · Score: 1

      With those mechanics most slashdotters would have 95% chance to block and only 5% chance to hit.

    7. Re:Missing the point by enjerth · · Score: 1

      Isn't that kind of the inspiration behind Wii?

      I have bad knees, does that mean I might injure myself by trying to play sports games?

    8. Re:Missing the point by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      If I had the figure of a muscle-bound warrior I'd be out partying at clubs and getting girls, not playing WoW. The point of online games is to experience a different reality.

      Next step: if you don't actually know how to fight, your character can't either.


      But we're moving to this, want it or not. Wii adds active physical motion to games. If you can't sit up from your chair, you may indeed incapacitate your character in the game as a result.

      We'll always have games where you're an alien worm or a cartoon duck, but don't deny us the coolness factor of more realistic experiences in games.

  9. Now my avatar can have a herniated disc! by myth_of_sisyphus · · Score: 5, Funny

    In accordance with my latest MRI.

    My avatar will bitch and moan and lay down a lot and take pills and flake on people and blame it on his back.

    1. Re:Now my avatar can have a herniated disc! by 26199 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a blast :)

      Obviously the system will have to come with a facility to tweak the scanned model a little bit... just, you know, to fix the bits where the system obviously got confused...

  10. Reverse the technology, make more money. by Radon360 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something tells me that there would be more of a market for technology that makes people in real life look more like their avatar, instead.

    1. Re:Reverse the technology, make more money. by Reason58 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something tells me that there would be more of a market for technology that makes people in real life look more like their avatar, instead. They already have this invention. It's called running shoes.
    2. Re:Reverse the technology, make more money. by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Something tells me that there would be more of a market for technology that makes people in real life look more like their avatar, instead.

      We can't do that yet. The easiest way for us to develop that tech, would be to have display glasses that would overlay others avatars when you see them. Problem with that is that it only works for those that have the VR glasses. What we'd really like is the genetic engineering/body mods to make any fully grown human adult look like "anything" out of any of the various online games. Things like switching genders, races, species would have to be have to be a trival outpatient process. If you want to spend your 2 weeks vaction as the opposite gender or a different race, it should be quite easy to do. Um, outside of movies and maybe spy agencies we don't have that kinda of tech, yet. The low tech solution would be a costum shop that could custom make customs based on your body scan and on-line avator profile.

    3. Re:Reverse the technology, make more money. by hszp · · Score: 1

      You meant "custom made costumes", right?

    4. Re:Reverse the technology, make more money. by kabocox · · Score: 1

      You meant "custom made costumes", right?

      Give me a break. I've been off all day cause of DST.

  11. Puts You in the Game? by openaddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not literally YOU, right..? Or is there a "simple" way of scanning yourself that I don't know about?

    1. Re:Puts You in the Game? by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 1

      Step 1.) Get naked.
      Step 2.) Lay down on photocopier.
      Step 3.) ??????
      Step 4.) Profit!!

  12. Then lucky you!. . . Mario! by Skadet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mario Kart Arcade GP already scans just your face and slaps it on a character model, "putting YOU in the GAME!".

  13. Re:Character Hacks by Radon360 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a similar vein, I was thinking that the next iteration of such development would calculate and assign strength, agility, stamina, etc. values for your scanned profile. Either it would encourage a movement towards improving physical fitness, or give birth to a black market for scans of people who are already physically fit.

  14. kiosks by Raccroc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always wondered why we haven't had this type of thing in "photo booth" style kiosks in shopping malls and arcades. It always seemed to me that facial scans (and now 3d models) would be a great addon for both arcade and home based games.

    1. Charge people to get their face/body scanned at kiosk
    2. Place images on a data card (CC for arcade readers and/or console compatible device)
    3. Sell DEV Kits for adding scanned work into your digital programs
    4. Sell Consumer Editing Kits for editing images (more Rock, less Erkel)
    5. Profit

  15. Dude! by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your back is never going to get better until you put down that boulder.

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  16. Surprised it was so long before a pr0n remark by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 5, Funny
    So "go fuck yourself" will change from an insult to a plausible suggestion. Virtually plausible, anyway. Ewww!


    (Anyone else surprised it was so long before a pr0n related comment?)

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    1. Re:Surprised it was so long before a pr0n remark by jojoba_oil · · Score: 1

      I think people were just too horrified by the idea of countless obese avatars rolling around online. How could anyone think of porn with that mental image? ... Don't answer that. Please.

  17. Isn't this a dupe from the 90's? by mbourgon · · Score: 1

    I seem to remember something similar. They'd do a 3-D scan of you for $35, and give you some sort of file you could use in Quake 3, etc.

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    1. Re:Isn't this a dupe from the 90's? by Siker · · Score: 1

      This is more than just a 3-D scan, which indeed has been around for a while. This is marker and skeleton less motion capture for 3D models. You wouldn't be able to use it in Quake at all - you only need a 3D model in that game, and the game will animate it for you. Here you're doing the animating yourself, so there'd be nothing left for the game to do.

  18. who would you want your sprite to look like? by blindd0t · · Score: 1

    Personally, think it would be fun to use known cartoon characters instead. I would want to use Hoss Delgado.

    The only downside to this technology is that I could only imagine that people would end up using sprites of celebrities everywhere, which could become quite annoying.

  19. Old news by N0decam · · Score: 1

    Back when Quake was the hot game, I took scans of my wedding photos (I'd gotten married recently) and created textures for myself and my best man.

    It was both cool and extremely creepy to see myself running around the quake levels in a tux and a rocket launcher.

  20. My very own Susan Dey!!!!! by Lester67 · · Score: 1

    Amazing to live in an age where we see science fiction morph into science fact, isn't it? (PS: anyone else remember this movie for something other than Susan Dey's pert, freshly scanned nipples? :-) )

    1. Re:My very own Susan Dey!!!!! by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      Well, besides the special polarized glasses to protect yourself from the sleeper rayguns (which really exist, but require a backpack) or the catchy theme-song; no not really. (hey not bad for it having been at least 20 years since I saw it last, on nipple-less network TV no less.)

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  21. Paging Jack Thompson by Applekid · · Score: 1

    What would happen if we found ourselves with some FPS Deathmatch type games where you're running around killing characters that look exactly like real people?

    I can see the headlines now:

    Boy murders schoolmate after practicing it in game

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  22. Rainbow Six on the 360 is doing this by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    well... not entirely, but you can do a scan of your face with the live camera and it creates a VERY close representation of what you really look like (face at least)

  23. News Flash: NE Females disappear from WOW! by Grashnak · · Score: 1

    This could lead to a distinct shortage of NE hotties running around Ironforge in their thongs.

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    1. Re:News Flash: NE Females disappear from WOW! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have no idea ... in fact, one of my characters is in WoW's Femme Fatale guild ...

      It's all pixels, boys.

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  24. Next step - the Metaverse by Rastl · · Score: 1
    As Neal Stephenson predicted, the Metaverse isn't that far away. Avatar kits on the shelves of Wallyworld, programmers making bucks creating custom avatars, etc.

    Still a rather creepy idea to me tho.

  25. simpsons did it! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    simpsons did it!

  26. openmortal by gnalle · · Score: 1

    Get a bluescreen, film yourself and enter openmortal http://openmortal.sourceforge.net/ OK it's 2D and singleplayer, but it's still really cool.

    1. Re:openmortal by UPi · · Score: 1

      Actually it's MULTIplayer only. And it's quite a bit of work that you have to do before you can play as yourself, but it works. See the Character_HOWTO.

    2. Re:openmortal by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Going by that list I'd have an easier time just making the character I want in Blender and rendering the necessary frames.

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    3. Re:openmortal by UPi · · Score: 1

      Easier, perhaps... But not as much fun as doing it yourself! :)

    4. Re:openmortal by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Sorting through hundreds or thousands of layers in GIMP isn't much fun, either.

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  27. Please Note by PoopDaddy · · Score: 1

    "In tests, an inexperienced user could produce the animations in less than 15 minutes."
    avatar != animation
  28. Why not just use your Mii on your Wii? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Informative

    I mean, seriously, how detailed do you need your online character to be? Do you really want that extra 10 pounds of fat - being generous - or your geeky eyes or hair you inherited from your mom?

    Besides, they already do this in Japan.

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  29. the next step? by sharperguy · · Score: 1

    I saw a video where a company took 3d face scans of over 200 people and combined them and averaged them until they could create and adjust just about any face imaginable. They then put this face in front of a 2D photograph of a persons face, and had the computer find the best match for the face in 3D. This was a very impressive representation of the person in the photo. They could then further adjust this 3D representation, to imply weight gain, age adjustment and other factors. If something similar could be achieved with a full body then it would be very impressive indeed. It would allow people to have themselves in a game, where the person in the game can be just as physically versatile as CJ from GTA:SA, and more so. The only thing which has been overlooked is the animation factor. It would be very difficult to produce accurate representation's of the way someone moves, walks etc. Even if a believable representation of this could be achieved by inspecting the build, weight distribution etc, it would not be enough to make it realistic to anyone who knows the person who is being created well.

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  30. Re:Character Hacks by DrChuck · · Score: 1

    Probably used by weight/fitness centers to scam people, "See! This is what you could look like if you use our amazing $29.95/month plan!" or some such. There is something creepy about having "you" in the game (not to mention the massive upload/download problems of having 8 million "skins" getting shared) but worse would be celebrity abuse. I mean really, who wouldn't dress up kobolds to look like Bill Gates? Scripted dialog? "You no take Vista!" But then where does that leave poor bill? And when you can video someone walking down the street and "back port" their scan into a game? Hmmmm ? Next thing will be DVDs where you can replace the lead characters in a movie with "you" ? Boy the pr0n industry will be into that one in a big way. (no pun intended) All in all a new world is just another day away. --D

  31. Oh my! by Weebo · · Score: 1

    This is a really interesting technology if it is developed successfully and is made affordable. I've played a lot of games and if there is one thing all users love, its to customize their characters! Of course, how real is too real? I don't usually pick my characters to replicate me physically hmm.. :)

  32. Oh please no by phorm · · Score: 1

    The last thing this world needs is more 40-year-old men dressed up as sailor moon or female elves. I think we've managed to restrict them to anime cons so far...

  33. So much for cross dressing by Kimma · · Score: 1

    I find it very funny when people know me as a male tauren warrior in WoW and then meet me on vent and realise I'm a chick. I don't think I'd make as impressive a warrior if my char looked like me. Not to mention confusing if all my alts looked the same.