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Third Stargate TV Series Named

GateWorld has a story about the new Stargate series. "The working title of the third 'Stargate' television series is 'Stargate Universe', executive producer Robert C. Cooper told GateWorld. The show currently exists in the form of a one-page treatment of the story and characters. Cooper and executive producer Brad Wright will start writing the pilot after shooting on the two 'Stargate SG-1' movies finishes in June. Meanwhile, new episodes of 'SG-1' and 'Atlantis' start airing April 13 in the U.S., on The SCI FI Channel. "

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  1. Re:may by SCPRedMage · · Score: 2, Funny

    No you may not.

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  2. Indeed by Asztal_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hallowed are our new intergalactic overlords.

    1. Re:Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ori are dead, long live the Orifice.

    2. Re:Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollowed are the Orifice.

  3. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    Summary:

    1) There are no details other than the name.
    2) They spelled "series" incorrectly.
    3) Everybody hates the name.

    1. Re:Moo by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Informative

      4) Whoever did the summary doesn't realize SG-1 has been canceled as a TV series.

    2. Re:Moo by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, the Multiversal Council figures that we owe on the Asgard's bar tab. (Those little guys drink like crazy and it wasn't cloning gone wrong that killed them--it was a million years of time-shifted hangovers sent to the future that were finally catching up with them.)

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    3. Re:Moo by BadERA · · Score: 1

      4a) Apparently you don't realize that the remainder of the season DOES start airing April 13th. Another 8 or 10 episodes I believe. Yes, after that, the series is, as of now, officially off the air. But the remaining episodes WILL air. The summary is not incorrect on this.

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    4. Re:Moo by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I read "August" instead of "April". At any rate the final episode of SG-1 has been available online for over a week now, needless to say I've seen all of them as well as Atlantis'.

    5. Re:Moo by malsdavis · · Score: 2, Informative

      It depends where he lives.

      Here in the U.K. Season 10 has already completely run and finished (although episode 20 left many doors open so to speak) and there are indeed no new episodes planned to be aired. The Stargate SG-1 show is for all intents and purposes "cancelled". I sure hope they change their minds but I do think the grand-poster is correct in stating that the show has been "cancelled", even if the showbiz lingo is to claim a new series just "hasn't been commissioned" which is really saying the exact same thing just put in words that are designed to falsely raise hopes of fans.

      Lets just hope that Stargate Universe can in some-way match the awesomeness that is/was Stargate SG-1.

    6. Re:Moo by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      It hasn't been cancelled yet. The final episodes air this spring/summer.

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    7. Re:Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make the series title Stargate Sliders's Gate-1 then.

      Joking aside, although I like Stargate series, sometime they irritate me. It seems earthlings always blunder around, meeting new powerful adversaries and making mess of things. Through the gullibility and the refusal to sacrifice a few, they empower the adversaries bent on killing billions and subjugating the universe several times over. SG teams always seem to think that exchanging a hostage for a device capable to ruin the universe a fair trade. At the end, they survive because of luck. It seems they follow the shounen manga formula, notably Dragon Balls. The potagonist is always weaker, but wins anyway -> upgrade the antagonist or find a stronger new one, make the protagonist stronger -> repeat till end.

    8. Re:Moo by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It hasn't been cancelled yet. The final episodes air this spring/summer.

      Well, it's true that the final episodes have yet to air in some parts of the world, but it's still nonetheless been cancelled.

    9. Re:Moo by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      SG1 is going to continue in the movie format don't forget. 2 are planned for this year and if they are successful, they will be making more.

    10. Re:Moo by malsdavis · · Score: 0

      From what I understand, these are actually quite far from definite and in particular are struggling to get the funding necessary (personally I think Stargate needs a big budget to do it justice), although I may be a little behind the times on the status of these movies. Do you know exactly what there current status is and if they are definitely going to be made and be given a budget worthy of Stargate?

    11. Re:Moo by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 2, Informative

      and thanks to SkyHD(and others) we here in the US got to see all the eps before they aired here.

    12. Re:Moo by Arcady13 · · Score: 1

      Naming an unwritten pilot that has not been picked up by any channel does not make a "3rd series."

    13. Re:Moo by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Gateworld, they will start filming in April.

    14. Re:Moo by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Marge Simpson: A Stargate movie?!?!? Now I've heard everything!

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    15. Re:Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      errr....SkyHD in the US? You mean UK right?

    16. Re:Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he means bittorrent (and the like) the UK SkyHD airings were released over the various filesharing networks so the yanks could see the show when it actually aired instead of when those piece of shit rat bastards at the scifi network finally decided to air the episodes.

    17. Re:Moo by naoursla · · Score: 1

      I hope not.

      I'd rather see the Stargate program become public knowledge on Earth and have the show turn into Earth's transition into a space faring society.

    18. Re:Moo by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      Stargate Universe, how original

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    19. Re:Moo by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      If they were to do that, though, they'd probably have to skip ahead quite a few years. Current Stargate is set on present day Earth, so in order to be believable the Stargate has to remain a secret. If they were to set it maybe 50 years in the future I might buy it, but I think by moving it into the future it'd lose a lot of the charm that SG-1 had. One of the reasons I don't like Atlantis as much is that it's not set on Earth and so you don't get the interesting mix of alien and Earth settings.

    20. Re:Moo by spx · · Score: 1

      You forgot the paper clips!

    21. Re:Moo by naoursla · · Score: 1

      I disagree about it needing to be in the future. They just have to split with our timeline. The world governments already know about the stargate. Now they just have to make it public knowledge. Then they can start creating multiple Earth colonies. The show can start being about building and defending Earth's colonization efforts and the political struggles that occur between colonies.

    22. Re:Moo by NuShrike · · Score: 1

      Another reason to dislike Atlantis. It's lost the archaeological/discovering story telling of SG-1, and everybody in the Pegasus Galaxy happens to speak English.

  4. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 5, Funny

    And, in this *completely new* series, SG-1 finds that they can dial yet another number and travel the multi-verse. To power it, they need to turn the Earth into a giant powersource, but Macgyver figures out how to do it with duct tape and chewing gum.

    On arrival they find an empty room where the 42 original member of the Multiversal Council met to populate the universe, but they won't talk to them because they don't know enough yet. They get ticked off and start blowing things up, and are sent back to their home universe which is now set to be destroyed.

    The series focuses on how the erstwhile enemies must get together and fight the coomon enemy, all before Macgyver dies of old age.

  5. Re:Why? by linguizic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree completely. One of the things that made the show so good was that it was almost like watching an RPG, the characters would collect different bits of technology and information helping to move the overall plot of the series. Part of the reason for watching the show was to find out what kind of new technology or factoid about the SG-1 universe would get revealed, or who would be the next system lord to get blown up or blasted by robot Teal'c. Since season 8, there haven't been any new major revelations, no new technology (they seem to be bringing techs from older episodes to fill in that place), no system lords to kill (the writers don't want to kill off Baal b/c they like to use him as the occasional Goa'uld bad guy when they don't want to bother advancing the Ori plot). Speaking of the Ori, they aren't a new interesting bad guy like the replicators, just a slightly modified form of the Goa'uld. For example: the Goa'ulds are parasites who pretend to be gods, the Ori are ascendant beings that pretend to be gods through memetic parasitism. Cameron Mitchel sucks, they should have just added Vala to the team and not worried about replacing O'Neall. They developed O'Neall's character so well, and made all of the personalities of SG-1 fit together so well that just sticking Ben Browder (who is an awful actor) in there messes up the dynamics. And with the exception of one episode in the last two seasons, the show has taken itself way to seriously.

    That being said, I'm looking forward to the movies.

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  6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe they should call the new series Stargate: Enterprise?

  7. There must be more SG than ST by now..... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...it seems like SG-SG1 has been on forever. Then there's that Atlantis show that's been on a while.

    For such a successful series SG seems to have very little of the cultural impact or generate the extreme opinion that ST had. It's like SG has always been 'okay', but ST was 'great' but then simply wore out it's welcome.

    1. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by BadERA · · Score: 1

      You're dealing with a much more diverse Sci Fi tv-scape these days. And, SG-1 has actually had some similar success to ST -- it was bounced around various networks, but they kept producing new episodes thanks to cult fandom. There are SG conventions, though not as big nor widespread as Trekkie get togethers.

      That said, I think the show is beat. I've been a fan for a longtime -- ever since the original movie, I'd hoped for a series, and was overjoyed when it moved off of Showtime onto channels I actually had. Unfortunately, I just don't see a lot of diversity anymore. Big new evil enemy gets defeated, big new evil enemy shows up. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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    2. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by linguizic · · Score: 1

      The thing about SG is that it has it's base of hardcore fans like ST, but that group is smaller than the hardcore fans of ST. However, SG has lots of average Joe watchers who like it and will go out of their way to press the button on the remote to watch it when it's on. That's something that ST doesn't have.

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    3. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by C+A+S+S+I+E+L · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well, that's because it's apparently a "franchise."

      Meanwhile, I lost a bet. My money was on either Stargate:Miami or Stargate:NY.

    4. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by vidarh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Star Trek is more than 40 years old. People have grown up with it, either the original run of TOS or reruns, the movies or TNG. It's had time to establish a far wider fan base. It's also much more accessible than SG1.

      Star Trek is essentially morality plays set in space. Its only half-assed departure from the one episode morality play formula was Deep Space 9, and even that was full of short morality plays intermingled with the longer story arks. The advantage of that formula is that you don't need the audience to know what's happened, or care about/for this or that species or character - each episode largely establishes it's own little moral problem and the characters use the different species to establish arketypes for the characters so you don't really need to know all that much about any one character to be familiar with what's going to happen (Ferengi's will generally be greedy, Klingon's will generally be agressive etc., just like you know someone with a magnifying glass and an exaggerated British accent is likely to be a private detective), and you know you'll likely see a clear resolution at the end.

      People like morality plays. They're simple and easy to relate to, and they also give people something to think about and talk about without requiring too much mental activity to just enjoy what's going on.

      While SG also largely has finished episodes, it doesn't have anything of the morality play aspect. The series has also kept moving forward, making seeing episodes out of order or jumping in for the occasional episode a lot less satisfying. And while there is some closure at the end of the episodes, there's no "answer". Personally I prefer the more lasting story arks and the movement forward, and that's also the reason why my favorite Star Trek series was DS9.

      Star Trek "wears out" when a specific setting for the morality plays gets overused. You can only set so many morality plays in the same setting before it starts seeming repetitive and everyone knows the exact formulas. It also depends on relevant problems in contemporary life to feed off, and again you can only do so many stories on the same problems before it gets old. Star Trek will return when society has moved on and issues we face are different enough that they can come up with a series that seems "new"

    5. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      That's because ST always took itself seriously, whereas until recently SG didn't take itself very seriously (after the movie anyways, which technically doesn't factor into series canon). There was always the sense that the show was more of a comedy within the bounds of science-fiction, so from the start you pretty much had to take SG with a grain of salt.

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    6. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by vjmurphy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Though all of them can be consolidated under one name: Stargate: Hey, All the Planets We Visit Look Like British Columbia. Same for Battlestar Galactica, too.

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    7. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even stranger, all those BC planets in various galaxies have the same pseudo-medieval village.

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    8. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Richard Dean Anderson actually said it was a comedy, so, I would have to say you are right. It was in one of those "making of"s. It might have been the 100th episode.

    9. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Even stranger, all those BC planets in various galaxies have the same pseudo-medieval village.

      Maybe the Canadians can use pseudo-medieval villages as tourist attractions. If things get really bad South of the border they can even people them with American refugees.

    10. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

      ...and strangely enough, all the men have these weirdly red lips and cheeks. I don't think it's a Canadian men thing, I think it's a BC makeup guild thing.

    11. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not all men. As we push out into the universe, we discover that even small communities that have been isolated (and more than a tad inbred) for thousands of years have a balanced population of visible minorities.

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    12. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Star Trek: 5 series, 704 episodes, 10 films, spanning several decades.
      Stargate: 2 series, 274 episodes, 1 film, spanning just over one decade.

      (From Wikipedia)

      So to be fair, they don't anywhere near compare on numbers, or how long they've been around.

      And I think the other posters are right about there being more competition - look how the mainstream/cultural impact of Star Trek seems to be significantly less with later series.

    13. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by pinkocommie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I beg to differ. One of the primary reasons I like SG1 (and dislike Atlantis) is about the strong underlying themes about theology and religious exploitation. About people doing acts of lunacy (The Season 1 ep Politics) based on faith. How blind faith wreaks havoc and how easily people are manipulated. One of my favorite lines from the show

      TEAL'C: I thought it fitting that on this day when we must sacrifice our short lived freedom that we do so here...at the site of the Battle of salsacksor...where you're father gave his life for this very cause...he began to doubt the Goa'uld long before this rebellion took shape Gerak. It was your father's death at their hands that led you to question what god is so deserving of my worship.
      GERAK: you were not one who was chosen...you did not witness the wonders I beheld.
      TEAL'C: did that erase the dead...heal the sick and wounded? Destroy their enemy with but a wave of their hand.
      GERAK: the Goa'uld deceived us...the Ori's powers are pure.
      TEAL'C: then what is the measure of a God Gerak... is it the scope of their power or how they choose to wield that power? Would a god who is prepared to lead us on the path of enlightenment so contradict this divine benevolence by destroying all those who refuse to believe in him?
      GERAK: Those who refuse to believe... must die
      (from http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/stargate/season9/sta rgate-911.htm)

    14. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by forgoil · · Score: 1

      What about CSI:Atlantis? :)

    15. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by mrbooze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to my wife, who has at times been involved in some SG-1 fan groups/lists/boards/etc, a seemingly shockingly large contingent of Stargate fans are military folk, either active military themselves or military spouses. I've always been curious about this, and wondered if there is similar military fanbases of other major sci-fi shows, or if SG-1 attracts more of them for some reason. Perhaps the military premise and involvement with the show?

    16. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Bj�rn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And even stranger, everyone seems to speak English.

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    17. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From my experience, military people are more likely to be SciFi fans in general. I'm ex USAF myself and was raised in a military family (although my father was more into reading and watching tons of western novels and shows). I think the same could be said about reading books. Military people tend to drag books around, because you know you will have to "hurry up and wait" or just have downtime, often in places with nothing else to do. Or perhaps SciFi is just a nice escape from an otherwise stressful job. I'm sure the military aspects of the show help as well, as you point out.

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    18. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by tcc3 · · Score: 1

      Im sorry, you must have meant 4 series. Sometimes I wake up at night thinking there was a horrible 5th series, but it must have been some awful nightmare.

    19. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of how ethnically-diverse and culturally-sensitive 12th century England was.

    20. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Deep Space 9...was full of short morality plays intermingled with the longer story arks.

      Look, if God tells you to build a longer story ark, you build it.

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    21. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      What, the gates don't incorporate a TARDIS-like translator? I guess everyone else in the universe thinks that English is such a good language that they all adopt it within a season or two of meeting these hoomans.

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    22. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by XeresRazor · · Score: 1

      Six series actually, one has just been excised from the canon leaving five.
      TOS
      TAS
      TNG
      DS9
      Voyager
      Enterprise

    23. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by tcc3 · · Score: 1

      My mistake, I always forget about the Animated series. Ive never seen it. Been meaning to get the dvds.

    24. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Considering that Smallville is shot at the studio next door, it's amazing that Kansas doesn't look like British Columbia too. (Not that it necessarily looks like Kansas, either.)

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    25. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude... Law & Order: Special Stargate Unit.

    26. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny my nightmare was that they make a horrible 5th series and because of that, their decent 6th series never got off the ground.

    27. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      To further that, something I calculated when Enterprise went off the air:

      Now that Star Trek's over, it's interesting to see exactly how much Star Trek there is (canon only, add 660 minutes/11 hours if you include The Animated Series):

      Movies:

      The Motion Picture: 132 minutes
      The Wrath of Khan: 113 minutes
      The Search for Spock: 105 minutes
      The Voyage Home: 119 minutes
      The Final Frontier: 107 minutes
      The Undiscovered Country: 113 minutes
      Generations: 118 minutes
      First Contact: 106 minutes
      Insurrection: 103 minutes
      Nemesis: 116 minutes

      Episodes:

      The Original Series: 79 (3713 minutes @ 47 minutes/episode)
      The Next Generation: 178 (8010 minutes @ 45 minutes/episode)
      Deep Space Nine: 176 (7920 minutes @ 45 minutes/episode)
      Voyager: 172 (7740 minutes @ 45 minutes/episode)
      Enterprise: 98 (4116 minutes @ 42 minutes/episode)

      Movies Total: 1132 minutes (18 hours, 52 minutes)
      Episodes Total: 31499 minutes (524 hours, 59 minutes)
      Grand Total: 32631 minutes (543 hours, 51 minutes)

      That's 22 days, 15 hours and 51 minutes of Star Trek. Not bad...

    28. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by Sgt_Jake · · Score: 1

      I think that's part of it, but I also think shows like stargate and star trek speak to the military crowd in ways that other sci-fi shows don't. First, the characters are all deeply concerned with integrity, honor and morals, in some cases ignoring lawful orders (and getting away with it) in order to do what's right. I think most people in the military identify with that - maybe not getting away with it, but it's nice to see. Second, the 'administration' (higher ups and political influence) is either nefarious or incompetent. I think we can all identify with that, but in the military, it can be pronounced. Third, we tend to pay closer attention or at least be more aware of how politics influences our role in the world so we can recognize many of the conflicts as possibilities for ourselves (note - this doesn't mean we know or care about WHY we find ourselves places, just that we recognize the conflicts). From meeting new cultures, intelligence gathering, combat, defending what's right or making horrible mistakes by not questioning authority, sci-fi shows where the military is generally the good guy show us a fantasy that resembles our reality (and sometimes our reality seems like a fantasy). Plus it is a nice escape and perfect for that downtime. You sure as hell don't want to be caught reading a romance novel... for a lot of reasons.

    29. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, surely a show that's been on for ten years and a show that's been on three years will add up to more than three seven year, a five year, a three year, eleven movies, a two year cartoon, a book series with more than 200 elements, and a positively depressing amount of pornographic fan fiction.

      The *only* science fiction heavyweight in Star Trek's neighborhood in terms of hours filmed is Dr Who.

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    30. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia fails it again: TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, TAS. (The animated series. It had Niven-style Kzin. It's worse than it sounds. Look it up.)

      I mean, I can understand wanting to forget that Voyager happened, and all, but ...

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    31. Re:There must be more SG than ST by now..... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia fails it again: TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, TAS. (The animated series. It had Niven-style Kzin. It's worse than it sounds. Look it up.)

      Wikipedia doesn't fail it, I'm pretty sure it mentioned TAS. I chose not to include it because I was only counting non-cartoons and I wasn't sure how "canon" it was. I didn't include the animated Stargate either ... but yeah, add them both in if you like.

  8. 'Our' military? by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Informative

    "One of the things that we love about Stargate is that is us -- it's our military, it's our scientists, it's our people -- and we're going out into the galaxy and the universe to discover all the wonders that are out there, and dealing with our own limitations versus things that are far more advanced than us." - Robert C. Cooper

    I take it Cooper's talking in relative terms, given that he's Canadian (along with most of the cast and crew) and the US Air Force, well, isn't.

    1. Re:'Our' military? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Us", as in humans, today, versus in some far-flung and less relevant future. You know -- being part of the "global village", regardless of the specific nationalities. We're all related. We're all on the same rock. Human culture. Same species. Is that such an alien sentiment for people to have, especially in a science fiction show that considers travelling off the planet? National boundaries seem kind of trivial compared to that scale.

      [Shrug] It seemed kind of obvious to me what he meant by "us" and "our". Or do people really think in such narrow, national terms? Who cares if the writer is apparently Canadian and much of the production is done there? They're going to have as much qualification to write science fiction that comments on the human condition as anyone else on Earth. And it's not like Hollywood usually does a *so* much better job of representing the U.S. military because the writing and production happens in the U.S.

      It's *fiction* either way.

    2. Re:'Our' military? by ACS+Solver · · Score: 1

      I'm sure by "our" he means contemporary Earth. But actually, that part of SG has become lost over the years. It used to be our (contemporary Earth) military and people putting up a fight against evil aliens. However, by now (Season 10 of SG1/Season 3 of Atlantis), it actually bears little resemblance to our contemporary situation. In the series, the US Air Force maintains three battle spaceships, several squadrons of space fighters, and beaming technology has been routinely used for several years now. Funnily enough, the technology used by people on Battlestar Galactica is closer to what we have now than what Stargate Command is using in the recent seasons.

    3. Re:'Our' military? by Pyrion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They offset that rise in technology by creating enemies wherein they literally were back to square one. Great, so they had battlecruisers. So what? They had battlecruisers arrayed against two new enemies (the Ori and the Wraith) that both had their means of practically negating the advantages the Daedalus-class maintained against the Goa'uld. The Daedalus-class came too late to do much of anything against the Goa'uld and couldn't do much of anything against the Ori or the Wraith, the latter being a case of violating treaty to beam armed nukes aboard Wraith hive ships until they conveniently nixed that sole advantage in record time for a species that still can't seem to prevent their own hyperdrives from overheating.

      Yeah, the technology advances ruined the notion of this being contemporary Earth military forces against the overwhelming technological superiority of the bad guy aliens, but I'm of the mindset that even that premise would've gotten old after a while. It's actually somewhat refreshing to see contemporary Earth military forces utilizing technology they barely understand in a slightly less-than-vain attempt to ward off numerically and technologically-superior foes. But even that'll get old too, sooner or later.

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    4. Re:'Our' military? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, the one thing that kept me from loving SG as much as I would have liked to... was exactly that it *had* so much injected centric-patriotism like innuendos.
      It's a highly stereotyping, highly personal, and highly US-centric-show.
      On the flip-side, that's the exact reason why I personally loved ST:NG so much. ST:NG *did* have a more united-human feeling.
      SG at times just feels like raw self-national ego stroking.

      SG:A, was much better again. (IMO)

      (this from the perspective of a norwegian) ./bit off-topic in regards to the actual post I'm replying to. (oh noes :)

    5. Re:'Our' military? by ACS+Solver · · Score: 1

      True, the new enemies did put them back to square one. That had to be done anyway - they couldn't start Season 9 with a new enemy as powerful as the Goa'uld, because those wouldn't be much of a threat. I still found the last parts of Stargate enjoyable (Season 10 was, I think, excellent overall), but it did ruin the believability aspect, to the degree it can exist in sci-fi in the first place. Essentially, there were two stages. First, Earth using contemporary, real technology to fend off advanced aliens. Second, Earth using advanced technology to fight off even more advanced aliens. It comes down to which you prefer in the end. But one feeling I never got was that they "barely understand" all this new technology. In so many episodes, you had Carter easily tweaking acquired alien technology, or interfacing with alien devices, etc., that I got the feeling it's not barely understandable to them. Ditto for how, particularly in Season 10, beaming was used quite casually, instead of being a big thing.

    6. Re:'Our' military? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once they added phasers to a Daedalus-class ship it was perfectly capable of kicking the living shit out of an Ori vessel.

    7. Re:'Our' military? by Tauvix · · Score: 1

      Tweaking? yes. Dramatic changes in the technology that might create NEW technology? no. I think 'our' level of understanding of that technology only goes so far as "we know that if we swap out this crystal for this crystal, the following happens, or it repairs it." But they couldn't build a new one without help.

    8. Re:'Our' military? by ACS+Solver · · Score: 1

      Well, you have examples in the show such as creation of those anti-Replicator and anti-Prior devices, which were created by the SGC, based on alien technology. That's fairly advanced. Also, take the ships. Advanced systems (hyperdrive, etc.) were installed on the Prometheus by the Asgard, but the Daedalus and other new ships were apparently built entirely on Earth.

    9. Re:'Our' military? by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, how silly would it be for them to be visiting and dealing with advanced space-traveling civilizations for 10 years and not have anything to show for it?
      I for one would like to see them try to use even more tech. Everyone they fight seems to have energy weapons and they still use guns? They have at least once tried to explain that guns are better for killing than zappers, but why don't they routinely carry zappers to stun people who they want to make peace with?

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    10. Re:'Our' military? by ACS+Solver · · Score: 1

      Eh, they do carry zat guns. Those have been seen many times and are quite possibly standard gear by now. I think giving them energy weapons as their main weapons wouldn't work well in the show - simply put, it would go to far in destroying the similarity between SG guys and our military. I think they've handled that well, as they've alluded in numerous episodes to how projectile weapons are - at least - on par with energy ones. For the first few seasons, they also maintained the whole advanced tech thing extremely well, IMO. We would have access to advance tech through allies like the Asgard or Tok'Ra, but they were unwilling to actually trade this technology, so it wasn't often that tech could be used.

    11. Re:'Our' military? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      It was used quite casually because it was Asgard technology. Heck we could go so far as to refer to it as "magic" because it never failed. It was 100% guaranteed success every single time. The novelty wore off.

      Though I should also point out that beaming technology was used quite often before the Asgard interfered. Ancient ring teleportation, stolen from the Goa'uld, was used quite excessively before the Asgard gave Earth their "upgrade." Technically they still have ring transporters on the Daedalus, presumably because the designers felt the necessity of having some sort of "backup" in place just in case the Asgard tech failed.

      So maybe they did come to understand it pretty fast. Or at least Carter, McKay and Zelenka did. The rest of the casts of both shows treat the technology as magic, because they don't have the slightest clue how any of it works. Even after Carter/McKay/Zelenka attempt to explain it.

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    12. Re:'Our' military? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Oh crap. I just forgot, in a couple of cases it did fail, the aforementioned Wraith scrambling the transporter beam to prevent nukes being brought on board, and the hasty repairs to the transporter to attempt to beam Teal'c off of... what was it, a Lucian Alliance hatak? In both cases though it ultimately ended up being an Asgard responsible for attempting to fix the problem, and they never really got around the Wraith's counter. If there's no Asgard around to fix the problem, do we assume they left an instruction manual written in English that explains how to fix the problem?

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    13. Re:'Our' military? by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      The lion's share of the protection of Canadian airspace comes from the US. That's why the 2nd-largest land area country in the world can afford to have a military that would fit entirely (sans vehicles) in the football stadium of any NCAA Division 1 university.

    14. Re:'Our' military? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Plus you would think any military commander would try to avoid the idea of becoming too dependent on weapons one is barely capable of understanding. Sure, they've got the Daedalus on an assembly line now it seems, but for all the advanced tech it sports, it still fires mass drivers and nuclear missiles.

      It's one thing to get the tech and use it, it's another to understand it. They understand guns and nukes just fine, as do we. It's unsurprising that they shy away from using energy weapons on a regular basis because how truly screwed would they be if the energy weapons didn't work? How different would the outcome of the Replicator war have been had Earth previously transitioned over from bullets to zappers?

      It wouldn't surprise me if, on down the road, Earth's space forces still sport the older, "tried and true" mass drivers and nukes. Enemies like the Replicators (and now the Asurans) demonstrate that higher tech doesn't always make for a more-effective weapon. That kind of hubris killed the (un-ascended) Ancients and nearly killed the Asgard. It will probably also lead to the demise of the Ori and the Asurans.

      And then maybe they can come up with an original idea for a new enemy.

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  9. Re:Why? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    And with the exception of one episode in the last two seasons, the show has taken itself way to seriously.
    And that would be the 200th "trip through the Stargate", right? They did have some fun with that.
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  10. This dosent look like it will be too interesting. by Skythe · · Score: 1

    The 9th Chevron is set to play a big role in the show. Im guessing they get stuck in some random universe, unable to travel home, ala Atlantis season 1. Doesn't really look like anything new; so im betting on it being axed within 2-3 seasons.

  11. Learn from Star Trek by Ambitwistor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After the success of ST:TNG, the whole franchise got run into the ground. Arguably the later Star Trek series weren't as good, but I think they just oversaturated the market with spinoff after spinoff. Too much of a good thing and people will just get tired of it, and Stargate on television has been going on in one form or another for 10 years already. Maybe it's better to focus on just one series at a time, and end each series gracefully before it jumps the shark.

    1. Re:Learn from Star Trek by FroBugg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's kind of a silly statement. Voyager and Enterprise sure took it down the tubes, but DS9, especially the last half of its run, was as good as TNG ever was, if not better.

    2. Re:Learn from Star Trek by Ambitwistor · · Score: 1

      A lot of fans will argue with you about DS9. That aside, the existence of DS9 doesn't really disagree with my point. A series can survive a spinoff, and SG:Atlantis is doing okay. It's when you get greedy and start piling on spinoff after spinoff that people start losing interest. It's like Hollywood and their love of making 5 sequels to a blockbuster. Even when the sequels don't suck, you just get tired of them. The same goes for stretching out a single series for too long. Making a spinoff supposedly injects "freshness", but along with it you have to differentiate from the original series and often lose the quirky elements and character chemistry that made the original so likable. Ultimately, fans feel like they have to start a new habit in regularly watching the spinoff (even if the old one ends), to commit to a new show they want it to be more different than a spinoff can be, and the audience trickles away.

    3. Re:Learn from Star Trek by MurphyZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Voyager at times could be alright, but in general I agree with your assessment. DS9 definitely started off slowly, but once they had several plot lines going through all the episodes, it really took off. In fact, I preferred the later episodes of DS9 to most of TNG.

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    4. Re:Learn from Star Trek by Paralizer · · Score: 1

      While I agree, I think it should be pointed out that SG-1 and Atlantis have done some interesting things in terms of using elements of each show concurrently in the other. For example, something may occur in SG-1, then the next week (or perhaps even the same week) those events will somehow influence what happens in Atlantis. While the shows are completely separate, I think the writers are doing a great job of keeping the whole stargate universe together as a whole and not just ignoring events that are happening at the same time in the other galaxy. By keeping two shows going at the same time they are able to maintain this. Any more than two shows and it may just become confusing and irritating.

    5. Re:Learn from Star Trek by SplasPood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree. While I've always liked next gen, and voyager had its good episodes, DS9 was by far the most interesting cohesive story... Of course next gen barely bothered with that at all.

    6. Re:Learn from Star Trek by zCyl · · Score: 1

      I think they just oversaturated the market with spinoff after spinoff.

      A lot of the Star Trek spin-offs had very good seasons and very good content. The problem is that most of them were driven into the ground at one point or another by painfully bad writers, and producers who didn't really understand the genre they were producing. They ended up with people involved who wanted to tell other kinds of stories, like Enterprise's repeated obsession with "two people are trapped in a bubble and think they're going to die" or Twilight Zone plots like "let's go back in time and fight lizard Nazis" or "What if the Captain has a lizard baby?". They suffered from producers who sometimes wanted to turn them into a teen drama series. They also suffered from writers who didn't understand the importance of plausibility within the Star Trek universe, and we got plot disasters such as finding a Ford truck and Amelia Earhart in the delta quadrant.

      I think very few of the problems which plagued the later Star Treks were due to the choice to have spin-offs, and most of them were simply due to hiring and direction decisions which seemed very unwise.

      So far I do not see the Stargates suffering from this problem.
    7. Re:Learn from Star Trek by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I think very few of the problems which plagued the later Star Treks were due to the choice to have spin-offs, and most of them were simply due to hiring and direction decisions which seemed very unwise. In other words, Gene Roddenberry dying.

      So far I do not see the Stargates suffering from this problem. In other words, Brad Wright is still alive.
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    8. Re:Learn from Star Trek by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      I liked Enterprise, except for that farking awful theme tune. It was a welcome relief from the endless holo-deck episodes on Voyager, closer to the original in spirit.

  12. Long path from treatment to series. by Dock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A treatment is akin to an inventor writing down an idea on a cocktail napkin. Before they even get to the pilot script, it'll have to be expanded by another nine pages or so, and if it exists as part a development deal rather than something done on spec, it'll most likely go back and forth between the exec and the studio a half dozen times before just that ten page treatment is given the OK.

    The pilot script will probably go through at least that amount of haggling, and would need to be followed up with or maybe even proceeded by an entire series treatment which will probably take weeks if not months to do, before the studio would even consider shooting the pilot.

    Not trying to rain on the parade or anything, I just want to put into perspective what this means, which isn't a whole lot right now. This is step one out of tens of dozens. Long way to go here.

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  13. You may have missed this, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Stargate program is now international, and, yes, even Canadians play a part in it, such as Dr. Rodney McKay. He's also using "our" in the sense of time, rather than national ownership.

  14. Star Trek linked to pedophilia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This has very little to do with the article, but the L.A. Times recently published an article regarding the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit that focused on their fight against child pornography ("Sifting Clues to an Unsmiling Girl"). They are the law enforcement organization that photoshopped the victims out of child porn photos in order to get the public's assistance in identifying the backgrounds (it worked). In any case, the article had this amazing claim:

    On one wall is a "Star Trek" poster with investigators' faces substituted for the Starship Enterprise crew. But even that alludes to a dark fact of their work: All but one of the offenders they have arrested in the last four years was a hard-core Trekkie.

    Wow. All but one in four years. Seemed rather unlikely to me.

    So, I called the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit and spoke to Det. Ian Lamond, who was familiar with the Times article. He claims they were misquoted, or if that figure was given it was done so jokingly. Of course, even if the figure was given jokingly, shouldn't the Times reporter have clarified something that seems rather odd? Shouldn't her editors have questioned her sources?

    Nevertheless, Det. Lamond does confirm that a majority of those arrested show "at least a passing interest in Star Trek, if not a strong interest." They've arrested well over one hundred people over the past four years and they can gauge this interest in Star Trek by the arrestees' "paraphenalia, books, videotapes and DVDs."

    Det. Constable Warren Bulmer slips on a Klingon sash and shield they confiscated in a recent raid. "It has something to do with a fantasy world where mutants and monsters have power and where the usual rules don't apply," Bulmer reflects. "But beyond that, I can't really explain it."

    I asked Det. Lamond if this wasn't simply a general interest in science fiction and fantasy, such as Star Wars or Harry Potter or similar. Paraphrasing his answer, he said, while there was sometimes other science fiction and fantasy paraphenalia, Star Trek was the most consistent and when he referred to a majority of the arrestees being Star Trek fans, it was Star Trek-specific.

  15. MMMMMMMMM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pumpkin Pie!

  16. uhm, hasnt SG1 finished already?! by Bad+Ad · · Score: 0

    I swear i watched the last episode "unending" i think it was called about a week ago!?

    1. Re:uhm, hasnt SG1 finished already?! by Gryle · · Score: 2, Informative

      The series has already finished in Canada and the UK. For some incredibly stupid reason the US broadcaster, Sci-Fi, decided to take a 6 month break half-way into the season and the last 10 episodes won't be aired until sometime in April.

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    2. Re:uhm, hasnt SG1 finished already?! by mpe · · Score: 1

      For some incredibly stupid reason the US broadcaster, Sci-Fi, decided to take a 6 month break half-way into the season and the last 10 episodes won't be aired until sometime in April.

      That's no mystery TV execs arn't the brightest...

    3. Re:uhm, hasnt SG1 finished already?! by johanw · · Score: 1

      Who cares what's on TV anyway? 2 days after the episode aired in the UK it's already on eDonkey and Bittorrent. Without commercials.

    4. Re:uhm, hasnt SG1 finished already?! by Justin205 · · Score: 1

      SG1 hasn't finished in Canada, unless it's on a station I don't know about... Space, our equivalent of SciFi, is continuing the second half of the season in a week or two, much as SciFi is. Atlantis' third season, however, *is* finished in Canada. The final episode of season 3 aired on Movie Central at least a month ago, if not more.

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  17. Re:This dosent look like it will be too interestin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SG1:Voyager?

    Having read the article, let's all get ready for SG1:Sliders.

  18. Re:Why? by westyx · · Score: 1

    The Ori are pretty much gods, and Richard Dean Andersen left the show because he wanted to spend more time with his family.

  19. SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 4, Interesting


    shooting on the two 'Stargate SG-1' movies finishes in June

    Given the constraints of the budget, I thought the SciFi channel did a darned good job with the movie that ended the Farscape series - they took the concept about as far as it could be taken [I mean, seriously, it's hard to top an out-of-control wormhole that threatens to swallow up the entirety of space-time as we know it], and tied up most of the loose ends [boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy regains girl plus newborn baby].

    I hope they take these Stargate movies at least as seriously - the SG-1 franchise deserves to go out with a bang.

    I'd like to see all the species in our galaxy [The Asgard, the Nox, the Oannes, Ba'al & his gang, etc etc etc], teaming up a la Justice League of America, or Avengers/Defenders, and going head to head with the Origin armies, in a four-hour epic maelstrom of a battle, with blood and guts and iron and ash and fire and brimstone, and finally wiping those rat bastard Ori off the map forever.

    And speaking of going out with a bang, after they've dealt with the Ori once and for all, the male leads could then turn to fighting over who gets to bang Inara Serra.

    And it would be really neat if they could convince Kurt Russell & James Spader to come back and play some roles - maybe president & vice president of the USA?

    Or perhaps they could be in the cast of "Wormhole X-Treme!".

    [And if you wanna get really cynical, it could be revealed that the entire Stargate franchise was merely the fantasy of a writer for "Wormhole X-Treme!" - kinda like how Bobby Ewing just reappeared in the shower one morning.]

    1. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Asgard as dead fool. The Tau'ri are the Fifth Race now! Humans have phasers not puny railguns and missiles now. Where have you been?

    2. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd like to see all the species in our galaxy [The Asgard, the Nox, the Oannes...
      Don't forget the furlings!
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    3. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Informative

      I thought the SciFi channel did a darned good job with the movie that ended the Farscape series

      SciFi had nothing to do with shooting the Farscape movie. I wish people would stop giving this channel credit for things like this. The show was canceled with no indication that anything would follow. Then the producers decided they wanted to tie it up and started shooting the mini-series. When they started shooting, they had no idea who would buy it or where it would be shown. SciFi picked it up.

      SciFi has hardly any responsibility for the quality, or more often the lack of quality, in their shows. They are produced by other corporations and the shows are sold to SciFi. For instance, remember Stargate: SG1 was on Showtime for the first 5 years of the show. There's even one line in the last episode of the first season that referenced Showtime. When they see the transmitter and Teal'c tells them what it is, O'Neil said, "Does it get Showtime?" Later, in reruns on SciFi, the line was redubbed to remove a reference to Showtime. While SciFi claims the show as an original, it was created elsewhere.

      Galactica is a slightly different story, since it involves the parent company of SciFi. Still, it is NOT SciFi that produces these shows.

    4. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by Geno+Z+Heinlein · · Score: 5, Interesting

      SciFi had nothing to do with shooting the Farscape movie. I wish people would stop giving this channel credit for things like this. The show was canceled with no indication that anything would follow.

      And Farscape was cancelled after SFC had already renewed it for two seasons, both 4 and 5. SFC pulled the rug from under Farscape after the cliffhanger ending of season 4 was completed. The same thing happened to Forever Knight on USA: USA funded one-third of FK's third and final season, and then pulled the funding at the last minute, leading to the bottle episodes at the end of that show.

      As near as I can figure, the common element is someone named Bonnie Hammer, who ran the channels in question at the right times and seems not to like genre shows, based on the Scare Tactics and John Edwards garbage that was the staple of SFC's line-up the last time I subscribed to it.

    5. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      While SciFi claims the show as an original, it was created elsewhere.

      That also goes for nearly everything that the SciFi channel claims as "SciFi Channel Originals." Most of those crappy monster movies they show on Saturdays are just bought by SciFi rather than made by them.

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    6. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by Tawg · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see all the species in our galaxy [The Asgard..

      Erm...I'd play down the whole asgard thing, for reasons spoilers don't allow me to go into.

    7. Re:SG-1 movie -vs- Farscape movie by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      The problem is that SciFi picked up permanent rights to air SG-1 on TV. That's the reason nobody else is picking it up; nobody can.

      MGM has said that they wanted to shop the show around; SciFi responded saying that they will not permit it.

      They might not make it, but they have exclusive rights to it on television.

      That's how MGM is getting around this with the DVDs. They can release them on DVD because DVD isn't TV. Of course, SciFi will probably purchase rights to air them later.

  20. Re:may by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now go away or i shall taunt you a second time. I for one, do not welcome our new English dancing about kinnnnigits!

  21. "Third"? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The working title of the third 'Stargate' television series is 'Stargate Universe'
    Actually, that would be the fourth series:
    1. Stargate SG-1 (1997)
    2. Stargate Infinity (2002)
    3. Stargate Atlantis (2004)
    4. Stargate Universe
    They always forget/suppress the animated series, just like Star Trek (1973).
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    1. Re:"Third"? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Stargate Infinity (2002) is not part of the sg1 / sga story line.

    2. Re:"Third"? by Monsterdog · · Score: 1

      They're just blocking out the horror to save their sanity. "Stargate Infinity" tended to promote self-service lobotomies performed with rusty sporks. Well, they're well on their way to demonstrating what it took to beat the Star Trek franchise to a bloody pulp. "Atlantis" is the "Voyager" of the franchise; "Universe" may well be their "Enterprise." If they hire Scott Bakula...run. away as fast as you can, before they nail you with a sappy theme song.

    3. Re:"Third"? by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      The producers of Stargate specifically stated that Infinity is not canon...none of the people involved with Stargate had anything to do with it, and it doesn't follow most of the rules for stargate travel that were laid down. It should basically be considered a Stargate-"themed" series that has nothing whatsoever to do with Stargate itself. It was something that was basically done to be a fun kid's show...it may not be all bad, but it doesn't happen in the Stargate universe.

    4. Re:"Third"? by Nutria · · Score: 1
      before they nail you with a sappy theme song.

      That's what DVRs and FF is for...

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    5. Re:"Third"? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      The producers of Stargate specifically stated that Infinity is not canon...
      As it should be (non-canon). But that still doesn't make it not exist as the second Stargate TV series in this reality.
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    6. Re:"Third"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As it should be (non-canon). But that still doesn't make it not exist as the second Stargate TV series in this reality. No matter how much we want it to be so.
    7. Re:"Third"? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Have you seen it? It's people riding motorcycles across threads between hostile alien worlds trying to clear their wrongly besmirched names. It's kind of The Hulk meets Star Traveller. It's bad enough to make you long for Galactica 1980. There's actually a rare medical syndrome where watching the series can cause apoplexy; it has killed three people in South Korea, and almost caused a war.

      Of course they don't bring it up.

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  22. Oh, please by Travoltus · · Score: 0, Troll

    Stargate stands head and shoulders above the rest, except Babylon 5. It's just that familiarity breeds contempt.

    Yet when I turn off Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis and go watch any other show, including that one with the (now dead) alcoholic female space fighter pilot and the Farmers insurance agent turned starship captain, I keep seeing over and over again why I like Stargate.

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    1. Re:Oh, please by Shadowruni · · Score: 0

      Show some respect.... the drifting little pieces of her body aren't even cold yet!

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    2. Re:Oh, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead?? What show are you watching.....C'mon you didn't really think she was dead did you?

  23. Let it Go by MasterPoof · · Score: 1

    Come on folks, Atlantis should have been the last series (unless they've got some VERY compelling plots here). It's time to say goodbye (well, when Atlantis finishes its run anyway).

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  24. Re:Why? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    The Ori are pretty much gods in much the same sense that biblical fallen angels would prefer to be considered gods in their own right. Heck, I would think by now the parallels are obvious.

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  25. Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by urikkiru · · Score: 1

    After watching 8 seasons of the main series, I thought they pretty much wrapped things up quite nicely. It *felt* like an ending I could accept, and even like quite a bit. When I heard there was going to be a 9th season, and the storyline that it would entail, I was quite frankly a bit disgusted. I thought the 'bad ancients' idea was silly, and just meant to extract more cash from a series that was going to 'jump the shark' so to speak.

    Add to that fact that Richard Dean Anderson was on his way out of the show, and to be honest, it was over at that point. His character added something to the whole thing, call it maybe the reality check. O'Neil just kind of refused to take things seriously 100% of the time, and added a great amount of quips, and humor.

    Just let it die. It's over.

    1. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by HateBreeder · · Score: 1
      I completely agree with you!
      SG-1 should have ended after season 8.

      And what's up with this? :

      new episodes of 'SG-1' and 'Atlantis' start airing April 13 in the U.S., on The SCI FI Channel.
      SG-1 has ended after season 10. There won't be any new episodes on April.
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    2. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Personally I only really got into Stargate from Season 9, and couldn't give a crap about Richard Dean Anderson...

      SG-1 has ended after season 10. There won't be any new episodes on April.

      It's because the US is behind the UK in showing them, but yes, it is a bit misleading.

    3. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've only aired half of season 10 in the US.

    4. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by runenfool · · Score: 1

      While no doubt the loss of RDA (and he really left after season 7 and just kinda phoned it in season 8) was a big loss I still think there have been some really highly rated episodes since then (Im bad with names ... but I recall seeing a few of the season 9/10 episodes in the list of top 10 fan rated episodes). Personally I like the Ori and think they are a decent enemy mostly because of their creepiness and power. "Bad ancients" is just a way for them to continue to have a more powerful enemy in spite of the advancements that earth made.

      It might be a different show .. a bit of a reboot .. but I'd argue that its still pretty good. Browder is no RDA ... but his character is alright. And I think Claudia Black is fun.

    5. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by Phleg · · Score: 1

      I mostly agree with you. With the finale of Season 8, they closed up every single opened storyline, killed off all the major bad guys, and tied together every loose end. It was over. Richard Dean Anderson threw in the towel, and even Amanda Tapping wouldn't be available for months due to maternity.

      Given that, though, they've actually managed to not do a terrible job with seasons nine and ten. The enemy is reasonably interesting, and while there have been a few terrible episodes, most of them managed to be at least alright. Not up to the legacy of the previous eight seasons, but given the conditions, not a bad effort either. I'm still glad they're done with Season 10 though.

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    6. Re:Season 8 of SG-1 was the end for me by japhmi · · Score: 1

      Season 10 (at least in the US) is only half over. Sci-Fi splits the season into two so that they don't have to compete with the big networks.

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  26. Because it's non-canon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And was made by other people. It doesn't count/matter to most people.

  27. Umm SG1 new episodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "new episodes of 'SG-1' and 'Atlantis' start airing April 13", that must mean theres going to be a season 11 then. I was under the impression that SG1 is over, and only the 2 movies would be the end.

    1. Re:Umm SG1 new episodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States, the Best [sic], Greatest [sic], most Awesome [sic] country in the world is, as always, way behind everyone else and /., being based in the US, typically fails to acknowledge the simple fact that everyone in the civilised world has already seen the series finale of SG-1 and the season 3 finale of Atlantis.

    2. Re:Umm SG1 new episodes? by dmnic · · Score: 1

      the new SG-1 episodes airing this spring are the last half of season 10.

    3. Re:Umm SG1 new episodes? by mpe · · Score: 1

      The United States, the Best [sic], Greatest [sic], most Awesome [sic] country in the world is, as always, way behind everyone else and /., being based in the US,

      IIRC the US is way ahead of the world in quite a few ways. Just that things like "the land of the free" having the worlds biggest prison population isn't much to be proud of.

      typically fails to acknowledge the simple fact that everyone in the civilised world has already seen the series finale of SG-1 and the season 3 finale of Atlantis.

      When it comes to TV series the US often gets the first few episodes first, but often the last few episodes get shown in the UK or Canada before the US. Where the US tends to really get stiffed is on DVD releases. With it possibly being quicker to row across the Atlantic and back than wait for the US DVD release. (With walking to and from Canada, from Florida, being a possible alternative in some cases.)

  28. Re:Why? by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My primary theory is that SG-1 is getting canceled because of the Christian theme. SG-1 had a few poor seasons. The new bad guys and cast changes have dramatically improved the show. Yes, you will always have people who complain when you have major changes, as they won't like the direction that was chosen, but over all, SG-1 has been much better than it has been in a long time.

    The problem that causes it to get canceled? They picked the wrong religion to pick on. SG-1 has always made a mockery of religion. When it was ancient egyption religion, that was fine, but when you start making the Catholics the universes supervillian, and by relation basically all Christian sects, you better watch out.

  29. Re:Why? by westyx · · Score: 2

    It's getting cancelled because it's gone on for 10 seasons and is getting stale. I have yet to see anyone complain about the morality of the show.

  30. Gah by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    Why do they always insist on beating shows into the ground rather than coming up with something new? Stargate's been old and tired for years...since O'Neil left. Stargate:Atlantis has never been anything more than mediocre. It's like Star Trek all over, the show gets lamer and lamer, but they just keep propping up the corpse for "the fans".

    It wouldn't bother me so much if it use cash and airtime that could be used for something more original.

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    1. Re:Gah by mpe · · Score: 1

      Why do they always insist on beating shows into the ground rather than coming up with something new? Stargate's been old and tired for years...since O'Neil left. Stargate:Atlantis has never been anything more than mediocre. It's like Star Trek all over, the show gets lamer and lamer, but they just keep propping up the corpse for "the fans".

      Do you really expect much in the way of imagination from TV execs?
      How many of these understand sci-fi let along sci-fi fandom.

    2. Re:Gah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because *your* opinion is nothing more than that: your opinion. Calling it your "two cents" would be a criminal markup.

      Many people still enjoy the shows. Anderson left the show for personal reasons. Deal with it or shut the fuck up, pussy.

      I never understood why he was such the center of all things for many fans. All the other characters were far more interesting. Maybe the pitiful phanbois like you couldn't stand the loss of the object of their homoerotic fantasies?

      So piss off. Whiners like you are tiresome and useless. You don't like it, don't watch. Need some good science fiction, learn to read and visit a bookstore.

    3. Re:Gah by westlake · · Score: 1
      Why do they always insist on beating shows into the ground rather than coming up with something new? Stargate's been old and tired for years... It's like Star Trek all over, the show gets lamer and lamer, but they just keep propping up the corpse for "the fans".

      The Enterprise was on a "five year mission" to get enough episodes in the can to become profitable in syndication.

      Stargate can get by without expensive F/X. It doesn't have to explain anything.

      The gates are ancient, alien, tech that can be worked by anyone. Simple and open-ended. Perfect for the story-teller - Edgar Rice Burroughs was working this ground as early as 1912 - and welcome relief from the techno-babble of Star Trek.

    4. Re:Gah by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1
      Grow up, idiot.

      He gave his honest opinion of the show without resorting to cheap abuse, unlike you.You're the one with the problem if you take someone's opinion on something personally so DEAL WITH IT!

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    5. Re:Gah by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      That is true. Unfortunately, they keep telling the same goddamn story over and over. How many variations of "Incredibly powerful and evil force against little 'ol SG-1" can they do?

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    6. Re:Gah by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      "Stargate's been old and tired for years...since O'Neil left."

      "It's O'Neill, with two L's. There's another Colonel O'Neil with only one L, and he has no sense of humor at all."

      "Stargate:Atlantis has never been anything more than mediocre. It's like Star Trek all over, the show gets lamer and lamer, but they just keep propping up the corpse for "the fans"."

      It started off lame, but it's gotten better over the years. Writing off the Wraith in favor of the Asurans was one of the best moves they've ever done.

      And why worry about the cash and airtime involved? It's cable. There are how many channels of cable now? Let them produce what they want, ultimately the ratings will dictate whether the show survives its fourth season. If it does, then obviously it's good enough for another year.
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    7. Re:Gah by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, most of Carter's dialog was techno-babble! I liked the bit in the making of the 200th episode where Amanda Tapping boasts she can run backwards shooting aliens and spout techno-babble simultaneously : )

  31. MacGyver will be back... by ArtfulDodger75 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...for Stargate III - The Search for More Money.

    1. Re:MacGyver will be back... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Man that was funny. When Mel Gibson said it. Twenty years ago.

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  32. Stargate Infinity, where? by hack++slash · · Score: 1

    As a fan of all things Stargate I've been unsuccessful in tracking down any episodes of Infinity, where can I can get the entire series that was made? I know there's some promo DVD but I want the entire series.

    Was the series so bad that nobody even bothered to tape it & dump it online?

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    1. Re:Stargate Infinity, where? by irving47 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if anything was so bad it never got taped and dumped online, but it was REALLY really REALLY bad. Do yourself a favor and don't even try to track any down. Seriously.
      If you MUST know anything about it, check out the summaries at gateworld.net under Episodes.

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    2. Re:Stargate Infinity, where? by Kippesoep · · Score: 1

      I *did* track it down and man, am I sorry.

  33. sg-1 by kiwi38 · · Score: 1

    I thought SG-1 was cancelled?

    1. Re:sg-1 by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      It is. There are ten episodes left which are already filmed, and begin airing in the US in about two weeks ago. Britain and Canada already saw them, which may account for your confusion; domestic Sci Fi channel likes to delay its summer run so that its shows are put up against weaker competition, primarily repeats.

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  34. Re:Why? by lc_overlord · · Score: 1

    Don't forget Bad Guys.
    While not as "whacked" as 200, it is pretty funny, especially daniel.

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  35. That's why... by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    ...I was never bothered by the way they stole plots wholesale. It's not deception because it's so obvious (see: "I did not have sex with that woman,"), they don't take themselves seriously, and comedy often steals from the serious.

  36. Re:Please, Stop. by mpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let it go. You've milked this cow long enough. Let Stargate die in peace. Atlantis too. And BSG too [if it doesn't stop sucking ass with filler episodes].

    SG-1 has run for 10 years. This is a long time for any series, especially one where you can't easily change the location and/or cast.
    Maybe they'd do better to try something new instead of more Stargate. e.g. give Joss Whedon a call and then give his ideas full backing.

  37. Filler episodes u.s.w. by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    R. Moore, in an interview published in "Salon" on-line, mentioned an entire sub-plot that was excised at the last moment from this season; this might be one reason it wasn't that good....

  38. Different fan perspectives by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    They always forget/suppress the animated series, just like Star Trek (1973) [imdb.com].

    ST:TAS is still in my Netflix queue, but as I understand it, it's considered canon, and a continuation of TOS after its cancellation. Stargate Infinity (Wormhole Extreme: TAS) is considered something to run from screaming by fans of the live action series.

    I only saw one episode, but quickly surmised the above truism based on that viewing.

    Of course, I now brace for the replies about I missed the deeper philosophical meaning of both Stargate Infinity and Joe vs. The Volcano.

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    1. Re:Different fan perspectives by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      ST:TAS is still in my Netflix queue, but as I understand it, it's considered canon, and a continuation of TOS after its cancellation.
      Gene retconned the animated Star Trek series, saying he only did it for money and if he knew he'd continue the series he never would have allowed things that went into that series. (And he would have fixed the Klingons then: Gene's stance was that Klingons always looked they way they do in the movies; he just didn't have the budget to do them right. He was dead by the time the DS9 and Enterprise stories retconned his retcon.)

      However, one thing I recall was still considered canon from the animated Trek series: the events of Spock's childhood, sans the elder Spock's participation.

      Meanwhile Stargate Infinity lacked even basic internal continuity, as it was riddled with animation errors such as how many chevron locks are on the stargate (5 to 12 in the same scene) and even permitted bi-directional gate travel. As such it is difficult to even treat it as an alternate history a la the various Highlander incarnations.

      Not to say I wouldn't get Infinity on DVD myself just to rip and remix for ridicule.
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    2. Re:Different fan perspectives by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to say I wouldn't get Infinity on DVD myself just to rip and remix for ridicule.

      Hey, you're not giving them very good incentive to make good videos - if they're great you'll buy them, if they're steaming crap you'll buy them. :)

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    3. Re:Different fan perspectives by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Hey, you're not giving them very good incentive to make good videos - if they're great you'll buy them, if they're steaming crap you'll buy them. :)
      Well, if they're only mediocre, I won't buy them. And I won't buy just any crap. I still haven't bought Evil Alien Overlords . Granted, it has a craptastic theme song, but huge swaths of it are just too painful to sit through. In some ways Laserblast was a masterpiece compared to that movie (and is better with the MST3K treatment).

      But still not as bad as L. Ron Hubbard's Mission Earth series. I couldn't force my way through Volume 2 of that piece of crap and would rather burn any copies on sight.
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    4. Re:Different fan perspectives by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      But still not as bad as L. Ron Hubbard's Mission Earth series. I couldn't force my way through Volume 2 of that piece of crap and would rather burn any copies on sight.

      Just stay away from Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. You'll get all Oedipal on your eyes. And you ears when the theme song comes on.

      A work that expires before its copyright never enters the public domain and thus enjoys eternal copyright protection.

      Is that yours? I want to know who to quote in my bugzilla quotebank.

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    5. Re:Different fan perspectives by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Of course when the "Stargate Infinity" did broadcast, it was at 5:00 AM, as if anything other than infomercials are typically broadcast at that time.

      My kids are huge Stargate fans, but only ended up seeing about two of these episodes, even though they would watch an animated show about paint drying. Perhaps it is just as well that this show never achieved any decent ratings and lasted for any reasonable length of time. I sometimes shut off the TV to avoid brain damage to my kids, but this wasn't one that I was too worried about myself.

    6. Re:Different fan perspectives by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Just stay away from Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. You'll get all Oedipal on your eyes. And you ears when the theme song comes on.
      I've already seen episodes of the animated version.

      A work that expires before its copyright never enters the public domain and thus enjoys eternal copyright protection.

      Is that yours? I want to know who to quote in my bugzilla quotebank.
      Yes, it is. I plan to put up my first journal page on the topic. I'm thinking "The Eternal Copyright of the Ephemeral Work" or "...of Ephemeral Works" as the title.
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  39. SG-1's already available online by Asmor · · Score: 4, Informative

    SkyOne aired the second part of season 10 of Stargate SG-1 several months before Sci-Fi did. In fact, they showed the last episode a few weeks ago. They're all available online.

    Not that I'm advocating piracy (hell, I own the first 9 seasons on DVD and will get the 10th whenever it comes out), but it's Sci-Fi's fault for dragging their ass and waiting so long to show it. In a globalized world, you don't get to screw people over just so you can get an extra half of a rating point.

    I leave it as an exercise for the reader to discover where to get them.

    1. Re:SG-1's already available online by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd say that by dragging their feet they're losing ratings because the primary reason for the season 10/3(also BSG season 3) ratings drop was the seperation of the Gates and BSG. Of course, Hammer and Stern being the idiots they are, they won't admit that.

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    2. Re:SG-1's already available online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In a globalized world, you don't get to screw people over just so you can get an extra half of a rating point.

      Yes. Yes, you do. In fact, you get to screw people over just for the bragging rights.

    3. Re:SG-1's already available online by irving47 · · Score: 1

      why the heck would they want to admit that when they have the ratings powerhouse otherwise known as ECW Wrestling?!?!
      Don't blame the shows for shark jumping. Look at the networks and their TPTB.

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    4. Re:SG-1's already available online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I'm advocating piracy (hell, I own the first 9 seasons on DVD and will get the 10th whenever it comes out)

      Why settle for inferior quality? SkyOne is airing in HDTV, you can get considerably better 720p episodes at about 1GB/episode. Not quite as good as the originals at 4-5GB but they sure spank DVDs. Oh yes they're available now, I watched the last ep not long ago. In any case, this one is hardly the worst season to lag behind. In short, everything is left open for the movie so while there are some plot twists it doesn't even leave you with a cliffhanger - the last ep is a basic "hit the reset switch" episode.

    5. Re:SG-1's already available online by maxume · · Score: 1

      They run like 100 hours of content a week. Can you possibly explain how people are seemingly 'offended' that they are running 1 hour or wresting? Did they break some sacred covenant or something? I mean, it's really, really easy to turn off a television, so I don't in any way understand the emotional response.

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    6. Re:SG-1's already available online by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Wrestling on SciFi is akin to airing cooking shows on Cartoon Network. I figure if I am EXTREMELY bored, and wanna watch some campy/crappy SciFi I flip to the channel. Every time I do that now I manage to find ECW is on.

    7. Re:SG-1's already available online by maxume · · Score: 1

      You must have some extremely unlucky peculiarity to your schedule; it airs *once* a week, Tuesdays at 10PM.

      http://www.meevee.com/program/programDetails.aspx? pid=556214156438917&eid=94579709

      The whole 'SciFi' thing is branding, not a promise; I suggest watching the other channel that shows campy/crappy Scifi most of the week.

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    8. Re:SG-1's already available online by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It's unusual for UK viewers to get anything first, usually the UK is in the situation you describe, and lagging 6 months behind the US.
      People tend to advocate piracy more when they're being shafted by the networks...

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    9. Re:SG-1's already available online by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The parent is right, from a marketing standpoint airing ECW on SciFi is utterly stupid. The major audience of SciFi channel is mostly erudite and intellectual type people, geeks, nerds, and younger males in the coveted 18-34 category which is very difficult to target with television these days. One might think that the fact that these viewers are in 18-34 younger males category would make SciFi channel a good venue for wrestling. However, the 18-34 younger males who watch SciFi channel with any regularity fall into a special class (i.e. the nerd, engineer, geek, probably urban and liberal) which is definitely NOT interested in ECW wrestling. The executives in charge at Vivendi are too simplistic to put the facts together and they don't understand SciFi anyway so they probably don't care. They think that of all 18-34 males as one mono-category with the same likes and dislikes. If I recall correctly then Vivendi acquired SciFi channel in an unrelated acquisition anyway (they were not looking to acquire SciFi channel specifically it just came with the package). One would think that with Satellite television and hundreds of other channels, the Spike network comes to mind, that ECW would do much better with the college party crowd that likes to watch ultimate fighting, action movies, and spring break type shows on Spike and other networks which cater to the non-nerd 18-34 younger male crowd. The only reason I can think of that ECW is on SciFi is because Vivendi doesn't own Spike and the only channel where they do have the aforementioned demographic, 18-34 males, is on the SciFi channel and so they persist in ramming wrestling down our throats despite the fact that were are the subgroup of our peers that does NOT, for the most part, enjoy wrestling which means that we are not watching SciFi on Tuesdays at 10pm...Are you listening Vivendi? 99% of your regular audience for SciFi is NOT WATCHING WRESTLING...they change the channel or turn off the television and do something else. Sigh...its to bad that SciFi fell into Vivendi's hands, they are killing it. At least they haven't canceled Battlestar Galactica or Stargate...yet, but if things keep going like they are then it is only a matter of time before the Vivendi execs decide that original SciFi content is too expensive to produce and that they will therefore put the SciFi content into reruns and devote more time to...you guessed it, ECW wrestling and reality tv, by which time they will have lost all of their audience anyway. Vivendi should sell SciFi and probably ECW wrestling too, unless they can acquire a more appropriate venue or work out a deal with a competitor or pay-per-view (isn't that what they do with all of that wrestling and fighting anyway? charge hicks 10 dollars a minute to see wrestle mania 200X?).

    10. Re:SG-1's already available online by mpe · · Score: 1

      SkyOne aired the second part of season 10 of Stargate SG-1 several months before Sci-Fi did. In fact, they showed the last episode a few weeks ago. They're all available online.
      Not that I'm advocating piracy (hell, I own the first 9 seasons on DVD and will get the 10th whenever it comes out), but it's Sci-Fi's fault for dragging their ass and waiting so long to show it. In a globalized world, you don't get to screw people over just so you can get an extra half of a rating point.


      If anything you lose viewers, hence ratings this way.
      Problem is that the people involved just doin't "get it". They continue to treat their viewers with what amounts to contempt. There isn't even the issue of "still in production" which AFAIK is the usual reason for "season breaks". I'm not sure exactly what stops either showings starting later or production starting earlier in the US. Maybe it's simply a case of wanting to be different from everywhere else. But something like the US Sci-Fi channel can't even manage very well with series made by the BBC...

    11. Re:SG-1's already available online by mpe · · Score: 1

      They run like 100 hours of content a week. Can you possibly explain how people are seemingly 'offended' that they are running 1 hour or wresting?

      Because they are supposedly a specialist channel with a certain type of content. Thus about 1% most definitly isn't "sci-fi". Wonder what proportion is actually any from of "sci-fi".

    12. Re:SG-1's already available online by Asmor · · Score: 1

      *spoiler warning*

      Yeah, that was pretty annoying... In the last 5 episodes, I think there's 1, maybe 2, which actually advance the plot in a meaningful way (I'm specifically thinking of Adria ascending and the death of the Ori... The Asgard comitting suicide and giving their legacy to SG-1 is cool for the overall metaplot, but doesn't really do much for the current situation except that Earth now has one ship which is capable of standing up against an Ori ship). I mean, I know they're setting up for the movie, but it just seems kind of disingenuous to treat the last few precious episodes of the entire series as "just another show."

    13. Re:SG-1's already available online by mpe · · Score: 1

      It's unusual for UK viewers to get anything first, usually the UK is in the situation you describe, and lagging 6 months behind the US.

      Actually it's quite common for the UK to get the end of a series (season) before the US.
      In the US (and to some extent Canada) a tradition of a "season break" has appeared. There may actually be a need for this in some cases to prevent the possibility of broadcasting overtaking production and causing problems. Whereas in most parts of the world broadcasters simply don't start showing episodes until it is likely that they can be shown without any breaks (except possibly for the likes of Christmas).
      If the North American broadcaster times their break right you would tend to see a UK broadcast "catching up" or possibly getting a few days ahead.
      What has changed is that viewers had no choice when this happened with Babylon 5. Now they do and just about every fan wants to watch each episode as soon as they can. They really don't care if the first episodes come with a US Sci-Fi DOG and the last ones come with a Sky One DOG.

      People tend to advocate piracy more when they're being shafted by the networks...

      Or if you prefer "broadcasters are advocating piracy by shafting their viewers".

    14. Re:SG-1's already available online by maxume · · Score: 1

      Vivendi is a minor partner. GE owns SciFi, under the umbrella of NBC Universal. If they are getting better ratings from ECW than other programming, the thing that makes sense for them to do is to move in the wresting direction; they aren't 'ramming it down your throat', they are ignoring you.

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    15. Re:SG-1's already available online by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      Dunno about broken covenants, but "SciFi" is short for "science-fiction." Wrestling gets slightly less than half of that right.

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  40. Re:Why? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    Stargate SG-1 is getting canceled because of a ratings drop related to the fact that the Stargates were seperated from Battlestar Galactica, which murdered BSG's ratings as well.

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  41. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    How does making something that approximates Satan make Catholics out to be evil? It does create a rather bizarre view of the fall, though---one of aliens instead of angels.

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  42. Just hope... by shawnce · · Score: 1

    I just hope SciFi network finds a way to work wrestling into the new series... the world needs more of it... *rolls eyes*

  43. None of them have the money or class... by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    ...to spend any noticeable time, banging or mashing or whatever, with Inara Serra. Maybe Samantha, maybe O'Neill.

    Beside, in this series she's less than a year old; that would be Pædo Extreme...she's gone from looking a lot younger than she is to looking a _lot_ older (at least proportionately).

  44. Nubian Walrus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly! It's a video Lobotomy of 1-Dimension characterization. Even the members of the A-team had enough unwholesome characteristic to give them some, just barely measurable, redeeming literary value. Any premise incorporating a humorless mostly silent nubian walrus with a branded forehead without the slightest sense of the absurd is nearly unfathomable. PLease if I must stare at such a ridiculous forehead give me some wit, like say Rimmer with and "H".

    these characters have no flaws or human characteristics. Everything is good or bad. there's no moral dilemma. ANd the action is pathetic with the interested removed as clean as a mental enema.

  45. Re:Please, Stop. by 26199 · · Score: 1

    Bring back Red Dwarf or Babylon 5 instead, those haven't been milked enough :)

  46. Non-canonical by John+Guilt · · Score: 2, Funny

    (I thought of this a decade ago; the similar reference somewhere in this discussion is coincidental, though more likely because the whole thing is so geeky the feathers are stuck in my teeth.)

    Q.: What's the deal with the "Star Trek" animated series.

    A.: One morning, Yeoman Rand (or Spock, if you really must) looked groggily up from the bed; Kirk stepped out of the sonic shower and said, "I just had the strangest dream."

  47. Wrong series by kabdib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enough wasting money already. Bring back Firefly.

    (I loved the first few years of SG1, but then it got pretty random and bad, reminding me more and more of the "Forehead of the Week" clubhouse show: STtNG).

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    1. Re:Wrong series by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      I hear ya. I think it attests to the quality of the show that everytime I throw the DVD's in to watch the occasional episode, I end up watching 4 or 5. And it never gets old. I really don't think the suits at FOX really knew what they were throwing away with Firefly. If they would have marketed it sufficiently and actually play the episodes in their intended order, it could have been successful.

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    2. Re:Wrong series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, three freaking SG series... just 1 season of Firefly.

      Makes me wonder if these executive types making these decisions actually know anything about content...

    3. Re:Wrong series by maxume · · Score: 1

      It actually did pretty well in the ratings. The lowest rated episode of Firefly beat pretty much every episode of Buffy. The problem was that it cost a hell of a lot to produce and it had to compete against cheap schlock that got almost the same amount of viewers.

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    4. Re:Wrong series by Philotic · · Score: 1

      >>Makes me wonder if these executive types making these decisions actually know anything about content... >br>
      Maybe they do, maybe they don't. The answer is irrelevant, however, as their primary concern is the bottom line.

    5. Re:Wrong series by Droid+Rot · · Score: 1

      "Bring back Firefly."

      I agree! But didn't they kill the cast off in the film Serenity?

    6. Re:Wrong series by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The problem was that it cost a hell of a lot to produce and it had to compete against cheap schlock that got almost the same amount of viewers.

      This has been the bane of good SciFi programming since the beginning. The original content is always among the most expensive to produce and it cannot be done cheaply, unless you are targeting the camp sub-genre where a little bit goes a long way, without the audience immediately recognizing it and declaring the effort as cheap and unworthy. The show might be number one in the ratings and draw huge crowds each week, but the costs always make those viewers among the most expensive to deliver in the entire television industry. The original Battlestar Galactica, not the new one although that one has also done very well and is way better than the original btw, was the number one show in 1978 and 1979 with the number one slot in the ratings, but at $1 million dollars per episode, it just wasn't as profitable as the alternatives (it wasn't loosing money). The networks could only charge so much for the ads, even though the show was number one, and for $1 million dollars back then you could have produced 4-6 less expensive shows and make more money. That was why they canceled the original Battlestar Galactica, even though it was number one, and made a bad attempt to close out the series on the cheap in 1980 with an effort that most people would rather forget.

      It is getting somewhat better these days with digital effects and editing reducing the costs and improving efficiencies, but these same technologies have also made the other shows cheaper too, so SciFi is still relatively more expensive. The one saving grace is that SciFi viewers tend to be more educated and have a higher income so it is possible to advertise more expensive or higher end products to them that might be less well received on other types of networks where the audience is a bit more low brow. I actually enjoy SciFi and I hope that they continue with Stargate and Battlestar Galactica, but we have to be realistic since television is a business after all.

    7. Re:Wrong series by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      It is getting somewhat better these days with digital effects and editing reducing the costs and improving efficiencies, but these same technologies have also made the other shows cheaper too, so SciFi is still relatively more expensive.

      Actually, contrary to this belief, computer-generated effects are almost always more expensive than doing them using more traditional methods. I can't remember the exact sci-fi movies, but the director said in the dvd commentary that he chose to use traditional techniques whenever possible because it costs 10x less than doing the same seen using CGI.

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    8. Re:Wrong series by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      No, two cast members were killed, two were seriously injured.

      That's 3 whole cast members who aren't either dead or in a hospital rehab unit.

      My suggested title for the new show? "Firefly: What's Left"

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    9. Re:Wrong series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somewhat true... Some things are far cheaper to do in CGI than with real sets. Plus, once a CG effect has been created then it soon becomes available elsewhere.

      For example, remember the opening scenes in "The Mummy" where Imhotep's face appears in the sand? That was once an expensive effect but now can be done with prosumer effects tools.

      But Firefly would still be expensive though. They had very high quality effects (i.e., they were transparent) and that costs no matter what you use.

  48. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Doctor BattlestarGate: Enterprise.

  49. I like the 9th and 10th season by setrops · · Score: 2

    I thought the show was going good. New threat. I like Ben Browder and Claudia Black from Farscape. The show still has some good humour. And most of all, it has a lot of Baal's.

  50. Thanks SciFi by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, new episodes of 'SG-1' and 'Atlantis' start airing April 13 in the U.S., on The SCI FI Channel.

    I understand how the rest of the world feels with everything being broadcast late. SG-1 has been broadcast in UK for some time (Up to episode 20 currently) and Atlantis has been broadcast in Australia.

    I can say I won't be catching these on SciFi since I have them all from BitTorrent.

    Networks: Start broadcasting TV shows at the same time... because otherwise we're going to get them anyway.

  51. The suits are getting greedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Or, I should say, they've gotten even more greedy.

    (Musings below will be most probably badly articulated, but I hope I can get the point across. But then, I have the excuse that english is not my native langage -- heh)

    Typical 'murkan' TV executive excessive greed and stupidity. Press the lemon as much as you can, bleed the damn thing until dry... and even then, bleed it some more to make more $$$.

    There is such a thing as "too much of a good thing" (badly said): haven't "they" learned about the fact that something is made more precious if it is not too abundant? As long as a ressource is scarce it is more desirable? Don't these monkeys know about the concept of an _overdose_?

    Not only that, but by running two series in parallel, they are stretching the writing staff a bit thin, because it has to come up with even more original and possibly not-overlapping ideas all the time. If Atlantis becomes the only SG series running, the writing should improve, because it would not have to share "originality" and the "unexpected" with SG1 -- no?

    It's not as if the franchise will not be unsuccessful (sp?) if there is only Atlantis -- come on, SG1 lasted 10 years, which is a pretty respectable run in TV Land, AFAIK.

    Further more, the idiocy of the suits meddling with the series has already resulted in the...

    SPOILERS!!!!

    (linefeed)
    (linefeed) ...death of a major character because they "wanted to shake things up" (WTF?). I fear that the Stargate franchise will fall prey to the "tv series by recipe" fate that befell the Trek franchise (hey, let's have a show babe with big boobs and make her wear a different uniform than everybody else!).

    I hear from work colleagues that BS:G and Lost have become victim of very apparent executive meddling and are sucking big time this year (warning: GIGO principle applies here, I can only take their word for it). All of them, ~former big fans of these series are no longer watching them religiously. I'm assuming that they are not the only ones and that there has been a noticable drop in ratings.

    Let's hope that someone with enough corporate power notices this and learns the appropriate lessons. Let's hope that that someone will then kill this 3rd SG series and let SG:A grow and become what it can/could be.

    Since, what, the early '70s I've seen too many shows degrade because of idiotic suits dictating what a show should look like, applying tired and broken recipes to said shows when they didn't need "fixing". (It happened also in the '60s: think "Lost in space" that started wih a "serious" pilot and ended up with campy sillyness.) That or simply running a show past its prime and not ending it at the right time (think "Happy Days"). You do need to know when to stop, otherwhise you'll end up... "jumping the shark".

    Sorry for the rant, but I've grown to like the SG franchise (those daily re-runs are good for something, after all...) and would like to see it stay healthy.

    1. Re:The suits are getting greedy by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      ~former big fans of these series are no longer watching them religiously.

      Watching them agnostically is cheaper. Have you seen the price of goats lately?

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  52. They even believe they "own" the concept... by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    "but a feature that would fit into the Stargate franchise that we feel we have created, Cooper said."

    Teleportation devices that directly take you from planet A to planet B, evil aliens that
    try to enslave or kill people, pyramids, hieroglyphs and a bunch of pidgeon latin
    speaking prehistoric humans... names of people and places in the public domain such as
    Atlantis, Ra, Baal (which btw?), Apophis, Imhotep (the Aton freak), prior art all over
    ancient sanskrit literature, I wonder how much do they really own here.

    There's probably an even more compelling story waiting to be told complete with flying cities
    of the skies warring with each other, complete with truly evil atlantean slave lords on one
    side and freedom loving antedeluvian humanity on the other duking it out in spectacular
    dog fights over a ravaged planet. They can shove their franchise up their asses. You can
    easily pull a story like that from ancient literature.

    1. Re:They even believe they "own" the concept... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they ripped the initial idea off of Von Daniken...

    2. Re:They even believe they "own" the concept... by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      Von Daeniken always has his aliens arrive in space ships but there are a bunch of people
      out there working the stargate theme long before this TV-series came along. I'm sure they'll
      go to court with anyone who infringes on their "intellectual" theft. The real problem however
      is not that they appropriate what isn't theirs or that they'll pay anything they need to
      win the case .. the real problem is that there are takers for that money.

  53. Long path, but they started years ago by Nymz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't want to spoil anything, but the current (or recent) series incorporated a number of significant universe changes based upon where they want to go in the future. And not just for the spin-off series that starts humans off from scratch, but for the planned MMORPG where certain races would be too powerful or disruptive. Kind of explains the resurgance of the Goa'uld as they can be a very balanced opponent race to humans.

  54. Re:Why? by yoder · · Score: 1

    Exactly. If it was because of bashing the Christian religion (which is fun and cathartic), we would have seen it on Faux News and the Network Morning Shows:

    "This morning on the Early Show, are Stargate SG-1 fans disciples of the Antichrist? More after this word from Walmart."

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  55. reveal the stargate by Zarn · · Score: 1

    I stopped watching after season 8. What they should've done a long time ago is have the show reveal the Stargate program and deal with society afterwards. Bring on the outrage, the political manoeuvring, etc. Just don't use any groups of young boyscouts who inexplicably develop superhuman strength.

  56. Re:Please, Stop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Direct to DVD Babylon 5 movies are being made. See http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/118.html for details of the first DVD.

  57. fan-fucking-tastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more shitty sci-fi to continue to give sci-fi that well known stigma of being little more than babbling geeks with laser guns.
     
    why doesn't slashdot just make a post everytime a new FPS comes out too? it's just as relevant as this shit and is certainly more interesting.

  58. Re:Stargate? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    "Who, honestly, really gives a fuck? C'mon kids, get off your arse, get ourdoors and get some fresh air! Cut down on your pork life mate, get some exercise! ;p"

    Slashdot would have 334 fewer comments in its database if you had taken your own advice. :P

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  59. The show will be about the 9th chevron by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

    According to http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/03/iuniversei_d eals_with_ninth_chev.shtml the show will deal with the ninth chevron. (for the uninitiated, 7 chevrons are used for travel within the galaxy, 8 chevrons are required to go outside the galaxy, I can only assume that 9 chevrons would be outside our universe or galaxies farther away within our universe than what 8 chevrons would be able to handle. (or perhaps time travel, the ancients, or at least one ancient, have already experimented with that)

    1. Re:The show will be about the 9th chevron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will star Nigel Tufnel, because his chevrons go to 11!

  60. Huh? by RoboRay · · Score: 1

    Stargate Universe? Sounds like a better name for a Stargate MMORPG than a TV show.

    1. Re:Huh? by d0rp · · Score: 1

      I agree, but the Stargate MMO is already named Stargate Worlds http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143410.html/

  61. Re:Why? by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    I don't think that's why it's getting dumped. There was never that huge of a stink raised over them making fun of religion. Heck I don't recall anyone ever making a stink over it at all. It's always been on cable so who really cares about what happens on cable?

    It wasn't even an overt (anti-)Christian theme. The closest it got to being blaringly obvious was the whole "holy grail"/"sangraal" thing yet nobody made a stink over that (on theological grounds anyways). I think Christians these days have a lot more to worry about than a science-fiction TV series of little societal consequence using bits of their mythology to tell a story. Even if it makes the Ancients (who are obviously akin to angels) look and sound like arrogant pricks. But they've always been that way, even when they were mortal humans.

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  62. Why is this news? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Since the series hasn't started shooting yet, doesn't even have its first script or cast of characters yet, will certainly change its name before being broadcast, and exists as a single sheet of paper only, why is this news?

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  63. Ended with "...no fish in this pond." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I'm concerned, SG-1 ended with Carter saying "Didn't that tape said there was no fish in this pond?"

  64. I'd like to take this opportunity... by Fission86 · · Score: 1

    to plug the idea for Stargate SG-32, a bungling SG team made up of a lovable bunch of misfits. Their story begins about season 3 or so when SG-32 gets a new commander, hilarity and bonding ensues.

    From a plausibility angle this is a great idea as we get to see a different take on previous situations (i.e. when the plot was still slightly amusing) as well as letting the SG writers to break away from the SG-1 team (which sucked without Richard Dean Anderson).

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  65. Re:Why? by Jarnin · · Score: 1

    My primary theory is that SG-1 is getting canceled because of the Christian theme.

    It isn't a Christian theme, it's a religious theme. The writers cherry-picked different aspects from several religions and came up with the Ori and their followers. You see Stargate bashing Christianity, probably because you're a Christian. A Muslim would see them bashing Islam. A Jew would see them bashing Judaism. I guess my point is, the writers wanted to show religious fundamentalists as the bad guys in order to parallel what is happening in real life.

    What cracks me up is that when Stargate was bashing Ra, you didn't hear any Egyptians getting pissed off. When they made Thor a little gray alien, you didn't hear any northern Europeans bitching. Oh, that's right; it's because those religions are considered dead, while Christianity, Judaism and Islam are still around.
  66. Re:Why? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, the Ori map pretty much to the Catholics and nobody else.

    Traits of the Ori:

    1) Central authority structure based on "distance" from deities.
    2) Single holy book that only the noted authority can interpret.
    3) Waging wars of evangelism.

    You find #3 in some strains of Islam and Protestantism, but #1 and #2 are just about exclusive to Catholicism. Jews, Protestants and Muslims have very localized authorities and holy books that any idiot (moreso in Protestantism) can interpret for himself. And of course, no Jew has ever been forcibly converted.

    They're pretty much just hating on the Catholics here.

  67. what about andromeda. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    yeah i know slightly offtopic.

    but andromeda ended its run on scifi on a rather sour note..

    is this indeed what i suspect, that they simply pulled the rug from under this series as well.

    i mean.. they left absolutely everything unresolved... and they left a paradox of a sole survivor of a species sending back another member of that now dead species (from the future) to help him.

    what is this.. the man lived over twice the average lifespan of a paradyne and had a kid.. then sent the kid back?

    i mean they exist extradimensionally and all, but they still have to know to focus and "travel" there to actually participate in action..

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    1. Re:what about andromeda. by Geno+Z+Heinlein · · Score: 1

      what about andromeda?

      That's a slightly different story. I started watching Andromeda early on, based on rumors of a five-year arc. Unfortunately, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, Andromeda's jms, was cut loose in the middle of season two so the show could be NEW AND IMPROVED, NOW WITH MORE SORBO POWER!

      I think of this as a Tribune thing, but I'm kind of vague on that. Earth: Final Conflict, the other posthumous Gene Roddenberry project, also came from Tribune Entertainment. EFC ran for five seasons, like Andromeda, and lost what seemed to be a long-term arc early on, like Andromeda. The last few episodes of season one of EFC were changes and setup for season two. All the subtlety and beauty of the first season was slowly removed. It's no wonder the end result was poorly structured.

      The relationship between Boone and Da'an was just stunning to watch, and Kevin Kilner and Leni Parker, the actors who played them, were tremendous. What was going on there was part romance, part friendship, part spiritual, and completely without words. They played characters in a world of politics and manipulation who couldn't speak freely, and most of the profound connection between them happened on-screen in silence. They were beautiful to watch.

      I wish I'd seen their whole story.

    2. Re:what about andromeda. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      I agree with your assessment..

      i believe it was early to mid season 3 when andromeda should have ended.. the episode "the unconquerable man".

      after that they just play a game of timeline kickball..

      "lets arbitrarily set hunt back 3 years today so we can make him do it all over again"

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  68. Re:Why? by Kaki+Nix+Sain · · Score: 1

    Well, of the people I know that really, really liked the series in all the previous seasons the Christians all seem to have found the Ori to be vaguely unsettling. The others found them to be more of the SG1-same. I know that isn't proof or anything, but still.

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  69. Re:Why? by tsalaroth · · Score: 1

    More likely, the Ori are not aliens, but probably the same "human" race as the Ancients.

    Man, I'm a dork.

  70. God has a plan for you,.. by starbuckr0x · · Score: 1

    Who cares. All I know is it's going to be a painful wait for the 2008 BSG season premiere! :(

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  71. Big Deal... by Stanislav_J · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for "Stargate: Special Victims Unit..."

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  72. NORAD by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

    Except that Cheyenne Mountain, in the 'real' world, is a joint American Canadian installation.

  73. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Humanoid. They're still not from Earth and aren't descended from apes, which makes them alien, not human. More to the point, humanity hasn't evolved to the same evolutionary level as the Ancients supposedly were millenia ago, and yet did not evolve in some other direction. Short of some sort of freak split in the gene pool and Earth becoming some sort of bizarre evolutionary backwater, this suggests that they probably don't have a common ancestor unless time travel was involved (backwards to get really old Ancient genes, then forwards to seed them on Earth). Doesn't make much sense to call them human any more than it does to call the Jaffa human.

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  74. Can't change the location? by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    Err.. you dial a different gate address and go to a different world. This feature alone makes the Stargate concept workable for a long time. Remember the days, before the great long story arcs, when next weeks episode of Stargate was going to be of some new place we haven't seen before with people and cool technology? (another reason to like Farscape too)

    Even if Stargate only kept what it has with the worlds already shown to us it could conceivably 'milk' a couple of years worth of series just with these worlds / ideas. Let alone the idea of revealing the Stargate to the rest of the world and seeing what happens. Wouldn't that peak your interest?

    On the point of 'can't easily change the.. cast' you are absolutely correct. Look what happened when they removed Grissom from CSI.

    All things considered, I believe Ben B to be a decent enough replacement for Richard D.A. Just understand that some people can't be replaced - or at least not easily - and move on.

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  75. Gundam Re: Doctor Who by NuShrike · · Score: 1

    Alternatively, in Doctor Who's weight-class is Gundam, which has been around as a giant-robot militiary/scifi for around 25 years, and too many series to count for me.

  76. Babylon 5 Re:Learn from Star Trek by NuShrike · · Score: 1

    Considering it was competition with Babylon 5 that forced DS9 to get more gritty with its writing, and not maintain that fluffy "it'll all be okay"ness of normal ST stories. Of course, this carries over into BSG.

    Maybe that's what SG is missing now, that grittiness from the beginning.

  77. Berman and Ronald Moore Re:Learn from Star Trek by NuShrike · · Score: 1

    Also, didn't help that Berman and Braga took over the reins completely kicking Ronald Moore to the curb. Helped out BSG a lot though.

  78. I love my Stargate, but... by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    ...can anybody say CSI?

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