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Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary
coondoggie writes "Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event. The renowned hero will be buried in the next issue of Marvel Comics' 'Fallen Son,' due on July 5. 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles, according to an Associated Press story. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression. With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.'"
How about burying real politicians instead of Capt. America.
So tell me, where did they bury Captain Spelling? The libary?
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
So the Red Skull assassinating Captain America is a slam on government? The arrest and surrounding Civil War hullabaloo is most likely a slam on government but Captain America's death is nothing more than a cash grab. They're just exchanging one live character with poor monthly sales and the occasional strong moment in ensemble titles for a martyr who can help bolster sales across the board. He'll be like Hal Jordan: more popular dead than he ever was alive. If this were really a slam on government, then the government would have a lot more to do with his actual death instead of it being a Red Skull masterminded event.
News for NERDS! I think this fits the bill rather well, considering he is one of the oldest comic characters I can think of.
You mad
Bearded Dragon
It is later revealed that the plan was orchestrated by the Red Skull;
This just in from Marvel..In the next issue..Red Skull gets a Presidential pardon.
At least Harding knew that his cronies were doing wrong and had a problem with it. From Wikipedia:
"My God, this is a hell of a job!" Harding said. "I have no trouble with my enemies, but my damn friends, my God-damned friends... they're the ones that keep me walking the floor nights!"
Bush just gives them a pat on the back...
Given that the Capt sorta is the American spirit and all that, I think his death is a bit more appropriate. We have been crushed and sold as a people. We have allowed our constitution to be highjacked, we have allowed our laws to be sold, we have allowed fear to rule our lives. There are a handful that are upset about this, but they are a minority by a long shot. I can't count the times I hear "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide" when I talk about how wrong the spying is, or even "Well did it, so why are you upset now?" like I was alive or aware of the others that have done it, or that the current crop aren't more blatant about breaking more laws to do it.
The fact is, most people don't seem to care. King George was reelected. You can point to his low approval rating, but congress is even lower, and noone is actually doing anything about it. Slick Willy got a blowjob and it was the end of the world, King George starts a war, usurps our freedoms, potentially stole 2 elections...well...that doesn't make as good sensationalist dirty gossip story so noone cares.
American Spirit is all but dead. Noone cares or is too busy shoveling themselves out of debt in our insane buy now pay later, keeping up with the Jones' culture. Lets not forget our wonderful lawmakers passed that nice law to make sure those poor credit companies don't have their money stolen by dirty citizens declaring bankruptcy!
The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
And, with his last, dying gasp, he falls on Hermoine.
Dammit... I spoiled that one, too. I'm sorry.
I'm amused by how the mainstream media has fallen for this marketting hype. We're geekier than that though. Death is one of the least permanent states for a comic character. Superman died in the 1990's. He seemed to get better and he wasn't the first. I very much doubt Jean Grey was either. Even Uncle Ben has been ressurected briefly via an alternative timeline.
Prime dying in a Transformers movie isn't a spoiler. You want to talk about spoilers in the Transformer movie? Tell me whether or not "the Touch" is played during the climactic battle in Bay's flick.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
"Slick Willy got a blowjob and it was the end of the world"
No, he committed perjury. Wasn't he disbarred for that?
"King George starts a war, usurps our freedoms, potentially stole 2 elections...well...that doesn't make as good sensationalist dirty gossip story so noone cares."
The Democrats now run Congress; why aren't they impeaching Bush?
Ah, because most of them voted for Bush's War, and neither side wants to get into the habit of impeaching Presidents as they don't want theirs to be tossed out of office.
No, he gives them medals...
And that's it. Reed and Stark turn into Henry Bendix types who kill and imprison people to help bring about their conception of a finer world with no comebacks (unless, as I fervently hope, at some point during World War Hulk, the Hulk removes Stark from his armour via the neck and then uses the emtpy shell as a latrine). The whole book seemed to be an endorsement of the idea of the competent, benign (unless you disagree with him - in which case its Prison 42 for you) dictator and, for me at least, left a bad taste. A shame as I've really liked Millar's work on The Ultimates.
The Flag and America is nothing to do with government. Our government COULD be erased with a shrug of the peoples' shoulder or a flick of their wrist yet the flag and the meaning of America would still be the same. Those freaks in Washington are only considered America because WE allow it, period. Capatain America, instead of dying (?) needs to fly into the Capitol and start smackin some heads. Then he would need to fly around the world apologizing to the people we have destroyed along with helping people in Darfur and other phsycotic hell hole African countries. Captain America dying? That is just propaganda to ease American's into accepting failure and the ultimate despair or tyranny that follows. I'm no Marvel fan but posing somthing named America and having it die is outright crap and I do not find it funny. Again, America is not our filthy government, get it right! Hardly anyone realizes the amount of crime and drugs and prostitues/slaves comsumed by our so called government goons in these global trades; but slowly they are finding out one by one.
Hero deaths in futures that aren't part of the standard Marvel universe are very common. "Days of Future Past", "The Last Avengers Story"*, "Death's Head II Miniseries", "Earth X" etc are all books that show the death of a character or set of characters in a way that does not affect the continuity of the Marvel Comics universe. "Hulk: The End" fits into that category. Hulk dies but it's a story set in a future that likely will never happen in any of Marvel's other monthly titles (or even in the Incredible Hulk monthly titles). Captain America's death is part of the mainstream continuity and all characters and titles must deal with it. Captain America can't guest star in Iron Man anymore. He can't be in any non-flashback Avengers stories. He's dead to the Marvel Universe. That's a lot more significant a change than the Hulk's death in a possible future timeline.
* This is quite possibly the best alternate future title I've even read just because of blind Hawkeye.
Prime dying in a Transformers movie isn't a spoiler.
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Maybe not, but you have just brought on a relapse of Post Traumatic Stress for thousands of us who were kids in the mid-80s...
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
Post Traumatic Stress?
You must be speaking of the realization that Stan Bush's voice is the most powerful weapon in the Universe, capable of destroying a sentient planet.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
> The Democrats now run Congress; why aren't they impeaching Bush?
Because:
1. he's only got a year and a half left in office
2. he's the dumb one - that would still leave cheney - the brains behind the idiot - as president
3. it wouldn't help get the country out of iraq
4. there aren't enough democrat senators to convict - so it would be a waste of time
Notice - that nowhere on the list is a concern that he doesn't deserve it, or isn't guilty of more than enough to warrant it. He surely is.
Going backward for a moment...
Even if they had not, being an idiot is, perhaps unfortunately, not what impeachment is for. Neither is starting a war that should not have been started.
Now if there were some concrete proof that they knowingly discarded all conflicting evidence and fabricated their own in a deliberate attempt to force the country into a war they knew was unnecessary, there might be a case. Personally I would not doubt that is exactly what happened, but thus far the evidence of that is not the sort of thing you go to trial with. Particularly when the trial is, by its very nature, really an issue of politics.
Because they do not have the votes to do so. They might be willing to fight the losing fight here if there was a strong popular opinion for it, but I do not believe there is even a majority of support. With things as polarized as they are, the Democrats are certainly not going to do something they have no support for and will undoubtedly fail at.
Besides which, as sad as it is, Bush's presidency continuing on might be the best thing that could happen for the Democrats politically. They know for sure it is going to end in a year and a half. In the meantime it seems like every day that he is president erodes a little more support for the Republican party. If nothing else that gets the Democrats better support than a partisan impeachment would. Even if they were successful, that just moves Cheney into the Oval. Not exactly a staggering win.
In short, I imagine the Democrats are happy to spend the remainder of the next year and a half feeding Bush as much rope as he would like. They know what he will do with it. The more Republican necks he slips in there before then, the happier the Dems are.
And in a semi-off-topic, for-the-record sort of way:
Yes and no. He was disbarred in Arkansas for a period of five years; I'm not sure if this is technically a disbarment or a suspension. He apparently then resigned from the Supreme Court bar before they had hearings over whether or not to disbar him from there as well. (Source)
Captain America gave up. Iron-Man, Reed Richards, and their goons were clearly in the wrong and Captain America gave up. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were committing (at best) "morally gray" acts. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who cloned Thor, resulting in Goliath's death. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were supporting, guess what? The government. Captain America gave up the fight against the forces of oppression in a nod to the government. His death is, if anything, a sign that his breed of super-hero has no place in the Fox news world that Marvel seems to favor now. This is a slam against us. Certainly not to the government or to Iron-Man.
Regards, Ian
On one online comic forum I troll through, the majority of the readers are generally pissed off about Civil War. On the one hand, creating an effective pro-registration side meant essentially turning some superheroes evil. SHIELD shot first at Captain America - not for not wanting to register, but for not wanting to hunt down his old friends. And Iron Man lost all credibility he had in this encounter, including hiring former supervillians to start a false war with Atlantis, just to prove his point.
Problem is, all of the "good guys" weren't much better. Rather than actually providing solid arguments as to what they were opposing the government for, most of the superheroes just ran around shouting how bad the government is and smoking weed and putting flowers in their hair. The few times that Captain America had a moment in front of a reporter to explain his case, he just listed a bunch of hippie talking points, rather than actually talking about how the law could hurt superheroes, or even mentioning that SHIELD shot at him first.
Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic, and Cap's sudden death just capped the whole thing off as being an attempt for controversy rather than any sort of political message.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
Actually... Bill Clinton did not commit perjury. Arguably he did lie during a press conference, and he certainly did intend to deceive during that press conference, but "perjury" is a word with a strict legal definition, and it does not hold in this case.
The details in the matter are that while under oath during a civil court case brought by Paula Jones then President Clinton was asked if he had had sex or an affair with Monica Lewinsky. He asked for clarification about what constituted sex and an affair, and sex was defined, BY THE PROSECUTOR, as penile-vaginal intercourse. He then answered that he had not had sex under this definition. I have never heard anyone say that Bill Clinton received more than a blow-job from Monica Lewinsky.
So please stop using the word "perjury". It is simply wrong to use in this case. You can say he lied (people may disagree on that point), and you can certainly say that he intended to mislead people (that cannot be disputed), but he did not perjure himself.
The subsequent disbarment was much more about the Whitewater investigations, and was highly politically charged. To the point that facts were mostly irrelevant in the case.
Why Captain America had to die!
Civil War in 30 seconds (for those who don't mind spoilers)
As for me, Make Mine... The Goon!
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
The Constitution itself was a coup d'eta. Go and read the Articles of Confederation and you'll see a document that gives a lot more power to the common man. Gotta love all that "greatest democracy on Earth" rhetoric.
"It's been quite a while since I've read comics, but do comics today even mention Iraq? And what exactly is a "big slam on the government"? A vague commentary on the fact that (gasp!) people sometimes die, and the gov't should do something about it? Or is the death of Captain America a specific critique of Bush's policies in Iraq? Could someone who's followed the storyline enlighten me? Thanks"
Do comic's mention Iraq? yes regularly but always as a side note because if they bring it to much to the fore it would lead to the obvious question of "Why does Massively overpowered superhero X not just go over there and sort it all out?"
And it was not so much the death of CA that was the slam on the government and events over the last few years but rather more the events that led up it
School worth of children die, public outrage, press feeding frenzy, overreaction, hints of government/Big Corp involvement = 9/11
Using the previous event as a springboard, new laws rapidly passed with little thought or review that seriously affect individuals liberties (aka if you have powers you are automatically classified as criminal unless you register with the government all your details) while giving huge powers to the government and riches to those in the shadows behind the government= Whole patriot act
Hulk getting dumped into a rocket and sent on a one way trip to space by "his friends" (which is now going to have serious repercussions with World War: Hulk coming) = CIA "renditions"
People (with powers) getting locked up in a negative zone prison with no access to the legal system or trial = Guantanamo bay
The death of CA is more or less a comment saying with all the above "America, land of the free" has been killed
The Democrats now run Congress; why aren't they impeaching Bush?
Three Words....
Vice President Cheney
I finally understand why he was chosen by Bush. It's a reverse Dan Quayle. No one wanted George H Bush removed because Dan Quayle was an idiot. Now no one want George W Bush removed because Dick Cheney is EVIL.
Truth: If it's not one thing, it's another
Do you really think the Democrats are better then the Republicans? As far as I am concerned they are largely the same party. The only candidate who voted against the war and will get us out is Ron Paul.
Slick Willy got a blowjob and it was the end of the world,
No. Slick Willy used the power of his office to sexually harass female employees with impunity. I've known men who were fired for speaking to the wrong woman and she reports that she felt 'uncomfortable'.
Policemen beat the shit out of a drugged-up black man and get away scott free, until other black people start a riot. Then the feds step in and subject the policemen to double-jeopardy.
Simpson kills his wife but beats the wrap because he has expensive lawyers.
If you lay out of work and live off welfare, the goverment will give you crappy healthcare. If you work your ass off 70hrs a week, you can get your employer to give you crappy healthcare.
American Spirit is all but dead. Noone cares or is too busy shoveling themselves out of debt in our insane buy now pay later, keeping up with the Jones' culture.
No one cares because we all realize that the system is rigged. We might as well buy now because we'll pay later whether we buy now or not.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Oh my gosh. The repressed memories. It didn't even register when I read the parent's post, but now after reading yours I remember it all. Rodimus Prime... ugghh. And to the other poster talking about "You got the touch"... its all flowing back too quickly....
*curls up in fetal postion*
-- A computer without COBOL and Fortran is like a piece of chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard
Well, I have a life. And it doesn't have time for this crap anymore.
Thats too bad. Everyone should make some time for some sort of hobby. Be it reading, or painting, or coding, or playing video games, everyone needs some kind of outlet. Try to take some time in the evening and talk with your family, or if you have young children, you could read to them. I mean if you're not reading books or enjoying a past time because you're thinking about the price of gas... you're thinking about the price of gas entirely too much.
And $80 a tank?!? Christ, first off maybe you should sell that SUV/Truck that you drive in the city. If its not that then its hard to complain about the cost of high-octane gasoline when you bought that imported sports car. The cost to fill it should've been obvious when you bought it.
But really, park the car in the garage and read a book or watch a movie some night. No money on gas to worry about, and you get a nice break and some time to yourself.
I'm wondering whatever happened to the NON-spandex type of comic book for kids? I know about the old days of moralistic censorship, and enjoyed "Understanding Comics" by McCloud, but I'm not seeing ANY kind of modern comic that doesn't involve stretchy or musclebound heroics. The only thing you find in the bookstores are strip-compendiums, like Garfield/Peanuts (too simple for my kid), or Calvin&Hobbes (some humor too esoteric). The rest are very expensive translations of Manga, a fair bit of which is not really pre-teen suitable. As bad as I think Disney can be for rotting your brain, I grew up with all the Scrooge McDuck titles and it at least gave me an early appreciation for the sequential-art mode of storytelling.
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I remember back in 2000 when people like you were saying that Bush was such a wonderful guy. They would rave about how Bush would clean up the culture in both parties. Now you've come back and are saying the same thing about Ron Paul. Another Texas Republican, another teary evangelist. Why should anyone believe you?
Heh, you should be offended at the comic writing more than anything else. The fact that Wonder Woman, arguably the most high-profile and iconic female superhero, is constantly written to be stupid and irrational in her actions, is astounding. Writers simply don't know what to do with female characters most of the time and often portray them in silly ways.
I like basketball!!1!
Oh I know it can't be proven that they knowingly lied, though it's obvious that they were hugely incompetent, and I would be stunned if you could ever get an intelligent intelligence assessment that made a blanket statement and insisted that there were no doubts. It doesn't work that way. They lied to themselves.
As for the "war" you're referring to, I am assuming that you're talking about the titular "War on Terra" that's been going on since the 70's, is still going on today, and will be going on for generations to come.
Here is the thing: You can't win a war against an idea. You can't shoot it. You can't scare it. But we go to Iraq and we give solid proof to every Muslim in the region that what their mullahs and imam's tell them about the US is absolutely true, and we create a bumper crop of future terrorists blaming us for everything bad in their lives that stemmed from our invasion.
Make no mistake. We made things worse, and we're going to be paying for it for decades. They hold grudges forever in that part of the world; they pass them down from father to son, mother to daughter.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
Ron Paul has a consistent voting record going back thirty years. He's one of the very few congressmen who didn't vote for the PATRIOT ACT or the authorization of force in Iraq. He personally doesn't accept Medicare or Medicaid because he doesn't believe in them, but instead does the work for free or lowered payment. You may not agree for everything he stands for, I don't, but there's no question that the guy is authentic.
Do you really think the Democrats are better then the Republicans? As far as I am concerned they are largely the same party. The only candidate who voted against the war and will get us out is Ron Paul.
People like you are the same as Naderites. If you really think this country would've been no different if we had Democrats in charge of the three branches of government instead of Republicans for 6 out of the past 7 years, then you're nuts.
Ron Paul's pretty out there himself. While I respect his stance in voting against the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War, I think he's nuts to call the abolition of the Federal Reserve, and I think he's soulless to have opposed any intervention in Darfur. In many ways, we represents some of the worst tendencies of libertarians.
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With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon and Harding administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.
You forgot to add "Clinton" to that list. You do realize Bill Clinton pardoned 16 members of the FALN, a Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for more than 120 bombings and at least six deaths? And don't forget the cocaine trafficker, the bank fraudsters, the perjurers, the billionaire tax evasion fugitive, the Whitewater contempt-of-court inmate, several Congressional Democrat felons, and his own drug-convicted brother. All of these done on the very last day of his presidency, of course. Not that such actions were in any way designed to pay back political favors while escaping any sort of press scrutiny or political fallout.
Lots of presidents have used the power of the pardon and clemency unwisely, but if you're going to go back as far as Harding to find an example to go with Nixon, I think you overlooked a rather sterling example of this kind of abuse. I fixed that for you.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Libby was covering whose ass, exactly? Unless you're either (a) living in a cave or (b) hopelessly unable to separate a liberal ideology from reality, you'd know that Richard Armitage, not Libby, "leaked" the name of CIA "agent" Valerie Plame.
So, Libby lied about what? Having a faulty memory? He couldn't have lied about leaking Plame's identity because Armitage did that. And all this completely ignores the fact that (a) Plame didn't meet the definition of a covert agent since she hadn't served in a covert capacity in the last several years and (b) the person "leaking" the name of the "agent" had to be aware that the agent's status was protected. Libby met none of those requirements. Neither did Rove, Cheney, Bush, or anybody else. The only person who could reasonably be charged with doing anything wrong was Richard Armitage who, thus far, was completely ignored by the special counsel appointed specifically to investigate this entire non-incident.
Libby was a scapegoat alright, but a scapegoat of the left, not the right. Libby got convicted not to save Rove/Cheney/Bush, but because the Democrats had to produce a victim in their witch hunt or face humiliation.
And, for the record, Reagan shouldn't have pardoned a heroin dealer and Bush shouldn't have pardoned the Iran-Contra folks.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky