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Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary
coondoggie writes "Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event. The renowned hero will be buried in the next issue of Marvel Comics' 'Fallen Son,' due on July 5. 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles, according to an Associated Press story. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression. With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.'"
By killing off Captain America, aren't you letting the neocons win? I'd rather have seen an episode where Captain America punishes a perjuring White House aide...
Cheers!
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How about burying real politicians instead of Capt. America.
He does.
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Just kidding.... or am I?
With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon and Harding administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.
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So tell me, where did they bury Captain Spelling? The libary?
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
So the Red Skull assassinating Captain America is a slam on government? The arrest and surrounding Civil War hullabaloo is most likely a slam on government but Captain America's death is nothing more than a cash grab. They're just exchanging one live character with poor monthly sales and the occasional strong moment in ensemble titles for a martyr who can help bolster sales across the board. He'll be like Hal Jordan: more popular dead than he ever was alive. If this were really a slam on government, then the government would have a lot more to do with his actual death instead of it being a Red Skull masterminded event.
News for NERDS! I think this fits the bill rather well, considering he is one of the oldest comic characters I can think of.
You mad
Bearded Dragon
It is later revealed that the plan was orchestrated by the Red Skull;
This just in from Marvel..In the next issue..Red Skull gets a Presidential pardon.
...but my Real American Hero is actually Mr. Giant Foam Finger Maker.
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Why is Marvel killing-off all of their heroes? Is it to make room for new comics, pursue movie-making using all the old material, what? I think continuing the comic stories is a loss for them. Comic sales, I've heard, have been steadily declining for years.
I will say this though, "The Hulk: The End," was by far one of the best comics I've ever read. Him being the very last hero -- even human -- alive is very fitting in the Marvel universe....
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
And, with his last, dying gasp, he falls on Hermoine.
Dammit... I spoiled that one, too. I'm sorry.
I'm amused by how the mainstream media has fallen for this marketting hype. We're geekier than that though. Death is one of the least permanent states for a comic character. Superman died in the 1990's. He seemed to get better and he wasn't the first. I very much doubt Jean Grey was either. Even Uncle Ben has been ressurected briefly via an alternative timeline.
Please, tell me it was some agents from the CIA, and by presidential orders!! It would fit this government PERFECTLY.
>it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.
It's been quite a while since I've read comics, but do comics today even mention Iraq? And what exactly is a "big slam on the government"? A vague commentary on the fact that (gasp!) people sometimes die, and the gov't should do something about it? Or is the death of Captain America a specific critique of Bush's policies in Iraq? Could someone who's followed the storyline enlighten me? Thanks.
Captain Marvel is dumped into some pauper's grave in Sioux Falls and this commie-bashing traitorous prick gets a spot in Arlington Cemetery?!?!?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Prime dying in a Transformers movie isn't a spoiler. You want to talk about spoilers in the Transformer movie? Tell me whether or not "the Touch" is played during the climactic battle in Bay's flick.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.
Isn't this one of the responsibilities artists have to the society that supports them?
Probably not. The Doctor's next companion is to be Kylie Minogue. Who needs Captain America?
Or the opportunity to buy a pint for someone who actually did something heroic.
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Yes, beer really does cost £3($6) a pint here, and no I have no idea who's running the site.
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Comic books should be taken as serious a form of art expression as any book, painting or sculpture.
/. about this fantastic new sculpture that is really a political commentary on international trade treaties?
When was the last time you saw an article on
I love comics too, that doesn't mean I need a pointless article about them on my "news" site.
And that's it. Reed and Stark turn into Henry Bendix types who kill and imprison people to help bring about their conception of a finer world with no comebacks (unless, as I fervently hope, at some point during World War Hulk, the Hulk removes Stark from his armour via the neck and then uses the emtpy shell as a latrine). The whole book seemed to be an endorsement of the idea of the competent, benign (unless you disagree with him - in which case its Prison 42 for you) dictator and, for me at least, left a bad taste. A shame as I've really liked Millar's work on The Ultimates.
His epitaph at the local cemetery says it all: NOT A VERY NICE GUY
*ducks*
Break the sound barrier - bring the noise.
The Flag and America is nothing to do with government. Our government COULD be erased with a shrug of the peoples' shoulder or a flick of their wrist yet the flag and the meaning of America would still be the same. Those freaks in Washington are only considered America because WE allow it, period. Capatain America, instead of dying (?) needs to fly into the Capitol and start smackin some heads. Then he would need to fly around the world apologizing to the people we have destroyed along with helping people in Darfur and other phsycotic hell hole African countries. Captain America dying? That is just propaganda to ease American's into accepting failure and the ultimate despair or tyranny that follows. I'm no Marvel fan but posing somthing named America and having it die is outright crap and I do not find it funny. Again, America is not our filthy government, get it right! Hardly anyone realizes the amount of crime and drugs and prostitues/slaves comsumed by our so called government goons in these global trades; but slowly they are finding out one by one.
Remember, Marvel has _three_ separate story lines going these days:
- Mainstream Marvel universe (Earth-616) (the old titles, w/ issue numbers ranging well past the hundreds
- ``Ultimates'' (Earth-1610) which has only just started to reach past 100 w/ Spiderman
- Marvel Adventures (Earth-20051) which is their line of stories suited for younger readers
Captain America is alive and well in the latter two, and as the numbers indicate they've got lots more, which get written about on a semi-regular basis
William
(who quit reading comics when _X-Factor_ #1 came out and they declared that Phoenix wasn't really Jean Grey --- it's really bad when a one-off cross-over book (The X-Men Teen Titans one) has a better handle on characterization than the mainstream one.)
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
The image of him punching out Adolph Hitler in 1941 is still one of the iconic images in comic history. Personally, I prefer the more embarrassing stuff that Marvel later try to bury (like the issue where Cap took on those evil communist college professors, or the way he dodged the whole Vietnam issue, or that emo period where he was all "Oh, I'm such an anachronism, wah, wah!").
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Good suggestion. Against all expectations, "Blink" was pretty good.
Prime dying in a Transformers movie isn't a spoiler.
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Maybe not, but you have just brought on a relapse of Post Traumatic Stress for thousands of us who were kids in the mid-80s...
See subject.
Dying in a comic is like dying on a soap opera. You're only truly "dead" if the audience doesn't want you back.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
but it's still just a comic
Dude, it's Captain America! Captain America's dead, dude!
Yeah, I don't get it either.
There are 0x40000000 types of people: those who understand 32-bit IEEE 754 floating point, and those who don't.
The way you describe it, I wouldn't think of it as an endorsement at all. More like dark humor.
Just because someone wins doesn't mean the author endorses them. Often, such cases are supposed to be warnings.
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He's the only Avenger that could clean up this mess. Pagan Gods, if you can hear me, please help! I don't really care what pantheon you're from at this point, just so long as you don't let Wiccans run around ruining your good name.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
Post Traumatic Stress?
You must be speaking of the realization that Stan Bush's voice is the most powerful weapon in the Universe, capable of destroying a sentient planet.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
Like Electra. Once Hulk is done racking up a scorecard, I'me sure we will find out mst of the people who acted so out of character in Civil War were Skrull.
Anybody who thinks Steve Rodgers isn't going to return withing 14 months doesn't know comics.
Captain America gave up. Iron-Man, Reed Richards, and their goons were clearly in the wrong and Captain America gave up. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were committing (at best) "morally gray" acts. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who cloned Thor, resulting in Goliath's death. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were supporting, guess what? The government. Captain America gave up the fight against the forces of oppression in a nod to the government. His death is, if anything, a sign that his breed of super-hero has no place in the Fox news world that Marvel seems to favor now. This is a slam against us. Certainly not to the government or to Iron-Man.
Regards, Ian
it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.
Art and literature have always been used as commentary on all sorts of social issues. Why should comic books be exempt?
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
No clue, but it was playing in the rest rooms of the local theater last night when I was dragged to see Spiderman 3 again last night.
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On one online comic forum I troll through, the majority of the readers are generally pissed off about Civil War. On the one hand, creating an effective pro-registration side meant essentially turning some superheroes evil. SHIELD shot first at Captain America - not for not wanting to register, but for not wanting to hunt down his old friends. And Iron Man lost all credibility he had in this encounter, including hiring former supervillians to start a false war with Atlantis, just to prove his point.
Problem is, all of the "good guys" weren't much better. Rather than actually providing solid arguments as to what they were opposing the government for, most of the superheroes just ran around shouting how bad the government is and smoking weed and putting flowers in their hair. The few times that Captain America had a moment in front of a reporter to explain his case, he just listed a bunch of hippie talking points, rather than actually talking about how the law could hurt superheroes, or even mentioning that SHIELD shot at him first.
Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic, and Cap's sudden death just capped the whole thing off as being an attempt for controversy rather than any sort of political message.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
Captain America's been torn apart
Now he's a court jester with a broken heart
He said Turn me around and take me back to the start
I must be losing my mind "are you blind?"
I've seen it all a million times
We've been down this road with Superman already.
How long before they reserect the Cap?
News for NERDS! I think this fits the bill rather well, considering he is one of the oldest comic characters I can think of.
When I was a kid I remember seeing a comic book featuring Methuselah...
This guy's the limit!
Dragged to see Spiderman 3? I'm not sure gunpoint could force me to watch emo-Tobey dancing again.
Unless, of course, you were slipped a rufie then carried to the theater.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
Comic books should be taken as serious a form of art expression as any book, painting or sculpture
You mean like a romance novel or a painting of a Campbell's Soup can or a urinal on a pedestal?
120 characters for a sig? That's bloody useless.
Why Captain America had to die!
Civil War in 30 seconds (for those who don't mind spoilers)
As for me, Make Mine... The Goon!
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
I take the point. The problem is the tone of the book (especially the ending) makes that interpretation very difficult to sustain. Still it did its job, I guess, as, sucker that I am, I'm now buying World War Hulk to see if Richards and Stark finally get the kicking they so richly deserve.
If you read about the whole death of Captain America you will find that the story line is related directly to the death of the author's son. This story has evolved along with the grief of the author, and the eulogy expresses some of his thoughts and feelings of his own son's eulogy.
Even the most fantastical of the comic books contains truths of human nature that we face every day.
I'm certainly not going to disagree that comic books are valid expressions of art, but most art falls terribly short of portraying anything close to human nature. Art usually highly romanticizes rather mundane happenings, pushes the manic-depressive as normal, and more or less manufactures and self-perpetuates nearly every single malady it purports to reveal.
Ever wonder why so many people feel like losers with a life that just isn't going anywhere despite their material success? Could it have anything to do with the fact that virtually all media (art, i.e., novels, television, film, etc.) portrays people living these fascinatingly desperate or fantastic lives, full of adventure, intrigue, love, etc? Then you get a film about some douchebag getting depressed and doing nothing with his life, and so the guy doing nothing with his life assumes he has to be depressed. Then you get a car commercial (especially in America) that shows how free and awesome life will be if you just get this high-powered sport utility vehicle. When you get it though, you're still the same loser as before. Let's not forget those commercials that show how wonderfully joyous it is to just washing the damn dishes. And you wonder why the stay-at-home mother is a pill popper. Let's not even get started on how art shoves the idea of a one and true soul-mate down our collective throats. I could go on for hours.
Never, ever, discount the power of art and media to influence the population's emotion. Do you want to know what human nature is? Read a biology text. Take a shit, go eat some food. That's about the extent of human nature. Everything else is a human construction. Why did art originate? Probably because we got bored. We have that wonderful mix of a shitload of freetime (even the hard-worker) combined with a very active mind that gets inculcated with near Byronic tendencies from early age. That is what art portrays: itself.
It doesn't take too much to be content in life. Of course, if you bought the whole salvation thing you probably don't give a damn about living a fulfilled life as it is, but if you're pretty sure this is the only chance you have, it's best to figure out how to live it well. You just need to come to terms with the fact that life is really about the little things. It's about going for a walk in the park and observing what's around you, fixing a bicycle, supporting your friends and family. If you change your basic attitude, then doing the mundane suddenly becomes quite fulfilling, and you stop searching for that thing that will grant you salvation, joy, success, whatever.
Someone was watching Nixons funeral.
I dunno. The disgusted looks on the face of the women he was pointing at was hilarious. That said, wasn't a big fan of the Tobey= John Travolta + AFI.
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It's very clear to me that our politicians care not about the country, but what their country can do for them.
I have decided to adopt the same opinions. I was born in the USA and given the usual indoctrination about the 'land of the free' and 'home of the brave'. How strange the same people who railed against the commies because they spy on their people and lie to them, are requesting that the USA spy on it's people too! THey don't have to ask for lies, Bush already did that when he lied about Yellow Cake, WMDs and Saddam's links to Al-Quieda.
As soon as it is no longer profitable, I'm taking my well-paid skills to another land to contribute to their economy.
Blar.
What I don't understand is why the same people that look with despair upon our president and congress want our government doing so much to begin with (like expanding its involvement in health care one one side of the political spectrum or deporting hard working people because they were born to the wrong parents at the wrong latitude/longitude on the other). We do have a pretty good country over all, but its the people that make it that way and our elected officials either spend their time pointing fingers at each other or writing laws that take away our rights.
Captain America Returns
:-)
Issue #1
Jan 2009
The Evil Administration has finally convinced the American People that it is a self-serving entity and they are merely its pawns. It is shown that Evil shall not triumph in a Democracy as voters turned out in droves for the November election. In a landslide victory, a new President is voted into the White House, one whom the People can trust and in which they place their hopes in a New American Dream.
Meanwhile...in a Top Secret Facility in an Undisclosed Location:
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Oh my gosh. The repressed memories. It didn't even register when I read the parent's post, but now after reading yours I remember it all. Rodimus Prime... ugghh. And to the other poster talking about "You got the touch"... its all flowing back too quickly....
*curls up in fetal postion*
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Thank YOU Mr. Spoiler!
Man, is Tony Stark an asshole, or what? "Recovering Alcoholics"... Can't really trust 'em, can you?
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So all the superheroes would be sitting around saying 'next year can only get better, right?'
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Well, I have a life. And it doesn't have time for this crap anymore.
Thats too bad. Everyone should make some time for some sort of hobby. Be it reading, or painting, or coding, or playing video games, everyone needs some kind of outlet. Try to take some time in the evening and talk with your family, or if you have young children, you could read to them. I mean if you're not reading books or enjoying a past time because you're thinking about the price of gas... you're thinking about the price of gas entirely too much.
And $80 a tank?!? Christ, first off maybe you should sell that SUV/Truck that you drive in the city. If its not that then its hard to complain about the cost of high-octane gasoline when you bought that imported sports car. The cost to fill it should've been obvious when you bought it.
But really, park the car in the garage and read a book or watch a movie some night. No money on gas to worry about, and you get a nice break and some time to yourself.
Bearded Dragon
/shrug I'd put the blame for any spoilers squarely on the shoulders of whomever posted this as a story. You can't possibly have a decent discussion about Captain America's death without discussing the circumstances that brought it on.
Regards, Ian
"Tell me whether or not "the Touch" is played during the climactic battle in Bay's flick."
No, not during the climactic battle anyway. When the battle's over, they all sing it at the end... sort of like Shrek. Bumblebee's R2D2'esque solo is a scream!
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i seriously thought the post said, captain -planet- buried, and was wondering why so many people cared.
My, slashdot, this field I'm typing into has the perfect dimensions!
There's more material in the story that I think you missed. The overall point is that Capt. America's side = good. And the other side = bad. There was no attempt at creating a moral grey area here. "Was it worth it?" Tony Stark himself admits on a full-page spread on his knees in front of Capt. America's corpse, that no, it wasn't worth it. There's a long list of characters spiting registration characters as being "eeeeeeevil". Very very few situations showing the obvious downsides of letting anybody stomp over anybody else's rights without having to be responsible fo rit.
The Civil war itself was never grey. The parallel is cops. Registration is just turning vigilantes into cops with responsibility and accountability. I think slashdot would favor cops having to answer for their actions and having limits to their power. The main anti-registration arguments have no real-world parallels, and are invented solely for the purpose of making anti-registration be the "good" side(secret identities can be stolen by super-villains, and these guys are born with super powers, unlike guns for cops). So the story's events are heavily bent towards Capt. America's side for the purpose of political allegory.
This administration has screwed Americans, I agree. But Civil war? Not at all subtle or effective.
Clinton was disbarred in his home state. Clinton could not be convicted. Perjury and redundant obstruction charge wouldn't make it because they were not relevant to the case. Even when they are relevant its difficult to win such cases. The case died from lack of merit (even after the irrelevant disclosure) as well as the accuser actually perjuring herself. Clinton was lucky he stopped them from getting his nude body into court because Star purposely leaked everything.
Ironically, its what Libby actually was convicted of and just pardoned. Yes, I said PARDON because if it looks like a duck... The fine is TINY and his public 'record' is not a big deal in his situation. I bets he gets a spot in FOX NEWS like O.North if not a full pardon in a few years if he asks for one.)
The way they impeached clinton was almost like a setup to scare anybody from attempting it again. The democrats don't have a liberal media to defend the case for impeachment and I doubt many have the guts even if they had that support. The "liberal" media loved the lead up to and then the actual clinton impeachment. Bush still gets an easy ride, if you think otherwise your just plain ignorant.
Something I've not seen anybody mention, is that their spying did "inadvertently" include officials and their families on their phones and internet. Foley voted the way they wanted and they kept a lid on his interns; I wonder what they have on Liberman? (I never liked him but he has changed sides.)
Given the corporate takeover of government (more a form of engineered consent,) I'm also not sure to what degree private organizations are getting into the really dirty politics.
Will Vista's adoption (MS spyware) coincide with an increase in microsoft's influence on government?
Will ATNT datamine their way to killing net neutrality for good? (plus they can still use the old "contribution" methods. Some of those net neutrality Democrats are really just asking for "contributions.")
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I thought it was a Coupe de Ville
I'm wondering whatever happened to the NON-spandex type of comic book for kids? I know about the old days of moralistic censorship, and enjoyed "Understanding Comics" by McCloud, but I'm not seeing ANY kind of modern comic that doesn't involve stretchy or musclebound heroics. The only thing you find in the bookstores are strip-compendiums, like Garfield/Peanuts (too simple for my kid), or Calvin&Hobbes (some humor too esoteric). The rest are very expensive translations of Manga, a fair bit of which is not really pre-teen suitable. As bad as I think Disney can be for rotting your brain, I grew up with all the Scrooge McDuck titles and it at least gave me an early appreciation for the sequential-art mode of storytelling.
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You expected it to be bad? I thought it was going to be great, and I wasn't disappointed. But then again I thought that the ELO episode of the previous season, Love and Monsters, was the best one... so what do I know? They're similar episodes in the respect that they take the focus almost completely off of what the Doctor and friends are doing, and focus on someone else. I hope Davies does one more like it in next year's season.
Isn't Tony Stark Iron man? That Sci-Fi show Eureka has a guy buy the same name and he even creates his own company Stark Enterprises. I wonder if it was planned that way or does marvel have something to do with that show?
1602 is a fun read, so I'm amazed there's so much surprise about all of this. Marvel had a fascist American government kill Captain America several years ago. The government was rounding up all the superheros, and with CA they weren't sure they'd finished the job so they tore a hole in the space-time continuum and punted him, causing an temporal storm that relocated all the Marvel heros to England shortly after the founding of the Roanoke Colony, a storm that threatened to create a chain-supernova of timelines, leading one of the Watchers to step in and take action.
OMG, I can't believe you just said that... I mean, I know you guys think that there are no women on the internet, but we really do exist, and this is just like... WAY more offensive than anything else I could think of right now...
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News for Nerds? Really? How come I didn't realize that? I must have gotten confused by all the Linux, Anti-Microsoft, anti-establishment, generally hating and whining posts. I'll adjust my expectations in the future. Well now that I know that this is a nerd-news site, and have read the latest on the all-important question "Where will Captain America be buried?" I can't wait to find out what Spiderman has for breakfast tomorrow!!! Or what kind of sheets The Hulk uses. Low thread-count is my guess...
I write my congress people with pen and paper, and I show up for anti-war rallies. I vote for the least evil candidate, and still the congress has no balls and the President is a constitution-ignoring traitor.
But go ahead, be snarky. It just encourages me to take more advantage of the system.
Blar.
Seriously?
I was so hoping for a Yub Yub cover.
I didn't want to leave this blank.
DAMNIT! I forgot the [sarcasm] tag again. Apologies for any misunderstandings...
But Tony Stark is *still* a total Dick!
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LOL! I just reviewed that moment from my childhood the other day by watching that scene... eek the 80's.
So tell me - do either of my favorites like Deadpool or Cable make an appearance? Or do any X-men?
But tell me - if I wanted to read the civil war thing, do I need to read all of these books? Or just some? And more importantly, what order do I need to read them in?
Here is a list of them someone on Amazon made.
http://amazon.com/The-Marvel-Civil-War-Series/lm/R 2P7K8Y6O1T2VL/ref=cm_lmt_srch_f_1_rsrsrs1/104-9260 980-3050364
Heh, you should be offended at the comic writing more than anything else. The fact that Wonder Woman, arguably the most high-profile and iconic female superhero, is constantly written to be stupid and irrational in her actions, is astounding. Writers simply don't know what to do with female characters most of the time and often portray them in silly ways.
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Wife (reading article on MSNBC): Yeah, but is Captain America really dead?
Me: Yes. Wolverine sniffed him.
Wife: Well, it's official then.
The fact is, most people don't seem to care. King George was reelected.
King George was reelected because the Democrats ran someone so much WORSE that conservatives and moderates who hated his guts held their noses and voted for the lesser demon.
The Democrats got the congress because the Republicans in congress didn't use their time in control to advance the agendas of the voters who elected them, but instead went along with the Democrats on enough issues that they decided "What's the point?" and "spanked" the party by abandoning them at the polls. (You're seeing that with the likes of McCain in the primary race, too.)
There are (at least) two problems with a de facto two-party system:
- You are generally left with the choice of the lesser evil in the final race. (Voting for either is voting for evil.) Meanwhile the machine has enough of a lock on the nominating process that even activity in the primary is impractical for anyone not already fully employed by it.
- "Bipartisan" means that the politicians of the two parties have gotten together to run it their way and denied the voters ANY choice.
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Yes, I agree... we need more female writers in the comic book writer's group... Otherwise you end up with essentially Slashdot writing the character of a woman.
I can see it now...
1. Talk to woman
2. ???
3. PANTIES!!!
*sigh*
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And, with his last, dying gasp, he falls on Hermoine.
I thought she was already dead?
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Good point. I don't think it is drawn that simply (pardon the pun), but an allegory like you describe, all the same. I'm not trying to improve my /. credibility, but I managed to make it to a Marvel panel at Megacon. Steve Epting and others where there to discuss Marvel and of course Civil War dominated. Apparently they were penciling the death of Cap at the time, but were not letting on.
Someone raised their hand and started to ask "Since when has Tony Stark been such..." and before they could finish people in the crowd shouted out things like "an asshole?" or "a Republican."
The answer was interesting. Tony Stark is, in essence, an arms dealer. Of course he's going to align himself along those lines and we shouldn't expect anything else. That would be out of character.
Personally, I think they also considered that when they were crafting this storyline, they purposefully chose Captain America, the super-soldier-as-a-result-of-military-medical-expe riments, to represent the libertarian side. A nice juxtaposition, if you ask me.
Re: World War Hulk: You may get your wish. The also said that don't expect Doc Strange to wave his magic wand and fix it all.
I don't think Greg Horn is a fan of Iron Man.http://www.greghornjudge.com/images/Large/3%20 MsMarvel/MS-Marvel-13-F1-K1.EDITFACE.jpg
That's certainly usury in all states.
They do make appearances but only as side stories. Nothing that is integral to the plot.
Don't we have enough real life in real life?
I've grown tired of my entertainment imitating real life. Sure Marvel comics have always been tied to the real world to some degree (as opposed to DCU which is set in a fictional version of Earth), but I think over the last decade things are getting worse. All the stories are tied to real world events in ways which has taken the fun out of them for me.
No I'm not getting old. I still read plenty of comics, just none by Marvel. Conan is fun. Fear Agent is fun. Usagi Yojimbo is fun. I can escape real life and be entertained.
It's ironic that Marvel comics are aimed at a broad spectrum of readers, including kids, where the fun and entertaining titles are more "mature" titles.
BTW - nobody dies forever in the Marvel Universe. Marvel told us that Hawkeye was "really" dead too. Death loses its impact when you know they're not really dead. They've done it so many times before that I'm betting half the readers' first instinct was "he'll be back."
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
> 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles'
Don't forget comics have an extra stage of grief: unbridled joy!
That's when the dead guy's path crosses The Beyonder or The Molecule Man or someone with a time machine or someone with an Infinity Glove or someone threatens Death or strikes a deal with Death so Death barfs them up or Reed Richards invents a resurrection machine or Doctor Doom invents a similar machine or The Leader dabbles where he shouldn't or the dead guy's body takes an accidental beam of Gamma radiation while a radioactive spider bites him on his left ass cheek's infected pimple while the moon is in the second house and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
And if that fails, a retcon (retroactive continuity change) always works.
And if that fails, a reboot always works.
And if that fails, a realization they can earn cash resurrecting them, as was done with Captain Marvel, killed thirty years ago by cancer, untouchable by resurrection for ethical reasons by writers all these years.
I fully expect the dead Robin to be resurrected, preferrably by a bad guy who makes him p00p all over Jesus like South Park does. Ahhh, the joys of stomping all over something good for quick profits.
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Do you really think the Democrats are better then the Republicans? As far as I am concerned they are largely the same party. The only candidate who voted against the war and will get us out is Ron Paul.
People like you are the same as Naderites. If you really think this country would've been no different if we had Democrats in charge of the three branches of government instead of Republicans for 6 out of the past 7 years, then you're nuts.
Ron Paul's pretty out there himself. While I respect his stance in voting against the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War, I think he's nuts to call the abolition of the Federal Reserve, and I think he's soulless to have opposed any intervention in Darfur. In many ways, we represents some of the worst tendencies of libertarians.
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You could be a very rich woman if you taught /. what step 2 was.
How the heck could a superhero actually live that long anyway and still be active?? I'm certainly not going to miss him. Let's chalk it up to old age, especially considering he didn't actually have any superpowers. Even Batman's gonna die someday. He has no powers either, just cool stuff. Captain America had a shield. Whoo. At 89, I don't know how he carried that shield, let alone threw it. Don't worry, someone else will come back wearing the suit and the shield. Then I hope Marvel and DC put the two "superheroes" with no powers against each other. Batman vs. Captain America, who would win?
I run Ubuntu skinned to look like a Mac on a PC. Go figure.
What good are hippie talking points if hippies will never actually fight and not just protest for them? The difference here is that the spirit of America fought those who would take away liberty, while hippies do not.
I'll let you dwell on that in your peaceful, pacifistic, bong-induced, meditative state.
"Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event."
No he wasn't. He surrendered to Iron Man as the climax to Civil War. He was assassinated after the end of the that story.
Tell me that pun was on purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timely_Comics
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I know it's by ESR, and some people might put that off, but trust me, it really excited me to think about a guy actually doing what he recommends.
It really is good advice for you guys out there...
WARNING! This girl exceeds the MAXIMUM SAFE standards established by the FDA for BRATTINESS
I don't know. I think it would be really cheesy to have yet another one episode companion. Especially since they were calling the last one *The* Christmas Companion. However you're horribly spoiling the show for us yanks who have just seen series 2. I also don't believe they've even shown the christmas specials here in the states, so we don't even know they exist never mind that they're important to the story line.
So, since we're a year behind here nobody in the united states have seen any of the third series. We don't know that the whole thing was top notch from the beginning to the end. And even if it was shown none of us has seen Torchwood either, so even if we do eventually see the third series will be totally confused by the mysterious jar that kept being shown all through Torchwood, but who's payoff was in Dr. Who. (Russel Davis (sp?) was a real bastard doing that IMO)
Oh, and one thing, speaking of 'Blink', ALL my favorite Dr. Who episodes were written by Stephen 'Coupling' Moffat, so can he run Who when Davis leaves after the next series please please please.
Does this also explain Catherine Janeway?
Esp. with Japanese competition?
i can read DBZ, Initial D, and even Bleach enjoy that all of the events are going to lead up to an end. That each of the characters involved have some sort of final outcome. American comics, except really awesome books like Warren Ellis' Transmetropolitan, just never end and the drama just never builds. We never get a sense that there's a deeper character there at all. We have vague outlines of what a character should be, but it's so flexible, it's pointless. Scott Summers, perfect example. Over the years he's been both an Emo Boy(Man now, I guess) and a really badass protagonist. How can I take that literarilly serious? How can I root for a guy who's backstory is super complicated, and probably has never had any effect on his current self? Batman, Superman, and Spiderman all have this problem. Batman has been working for over 80 years. I know he's a rich millionaire playboy, but for god's sake, RETIRE ALREADY. Superman's the same way! Peter Parker's hit over 40. In 10 years, the character will have been old enough to collect Social Security.
Comics, American style atleast, are the modern day answer to Greek Myths. Very entertaining, very dramatic, but in the end, very shallow.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Actually Dennis Kucinich also voted against the war, so Paul was one of two there.
Ron Paul was also one of two to vote against the Emmet Till Unsolved Civil Rights Crime Act, the other being Georgia's Lynn Westmoreland. The other 422 voting (including Kucinich, FWIW) thought it good to investigate hate crime murder cases from the Civil Rights era. Unlike his earlier circulation of blatantly racist pamphlets, Ron Paul can't blame this one on a staffer. (Which, even if true, only makes him incompetent - who signs lengthy letters intended for widespread direct mail distribution without reading them?)
Quite apart from his history of racism and the fact his economic ideas are about a century out of date, Ron Paul is an even more extreme case than the current Republican crop of a would-be governor who doesn't believe in government. Instead of merely starving agencies of funds and using them as sinecures for cronies, Paul says he wants to simply eliminate them. New Orleans provides a good example of what happens when you make government "small enough to drown in the bathtub." What I want is good government, not no government.
Even if he had a snowball's chance of winning the Presidency, which he doesn't thank Ghu, he would not be able to accomplish all the dismantling he'd like to - but he'd cause an awful lot of damage trying. People who hate government don't govern well, and I'm glad that despite his noisy Internet fanboys Ron Paul is not ever going to be President. I've had enough of extreme ideologues with overly simplistic worldviews in that job to last me a lifetime.
when it's revealed that they knew there was a Skrull invasion underway, and this was the ideal way to tag all the superheroes, license and train them, get S.H.I.E.L.D to investigate them all thoroughly, and have a ready made army in every single state, of super powered well trained heroes, ready to turn back the invasion.
Or maybe the Hulk will just kill everyone.
Libby was covering whose ass, exactly? Unless you're either (a) living in a cave or (b) hopelessly unable to separate a liberal ideology from reality, you'd know that Richard Armitage, not Libby, "leaked" the name of CIA "agent" Valerie Plame.
So, Libby lied about what? Having a faulty memory? He couldn't have lied about leaking Plame's identity because Armitage did that. And all this completely ignores the fact that (a) Plame didn't meet the definition of a covert agent since she hadn't served in a covert capacity in the last several years and (b) the person "leaking" the name of the "agent" had to be aware that the agent's status was protected. Libby met none of those requirements. Neither did Rove, Cheney, Bush, or anybody else. The only person who could reasonably be charged with doing anything wrong was Richard Armitage who, thus far, was completely ignored by the special counsel appointed specifically to investigate this entire non-incident.
Libby was a scapegoat alright, but a scapegoat of the left, not the right. Libby got convicted not to save Rove/Cheney/Bush, but because the Democrats had to produce a victim in their witch hunt or face humiliation.
And, for the record, Reagan shouldn't have pardoned a heroin dealer and Bush shouldn't have pardoned the Iran-Contra folks.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
about Bush and his administration.
Captain America used to say that sometimes a majority can be wrong. Like when a majority of Americans supported slavery, or later when the majority of Americans supported segregation and discrimination of certain races.
The majority that supports illegal immigration, identity theft, voter fraud and terrorism are liberals. On those issues they are wrong. If we do things their way the nation will fall apart like the Roman Empire.
Bush was reelected because most Liberals refused to vote, sure they'll give Bush a low number on anonymous online polls, but in real life when the vote really counts they don't care and refuse to vote. Because of that they are bringing down the Democratic system.
Captain America died for the sins of the liberals, Captain America became a liberal himself and didn't think of the consequences of his actions like most liberals. Captain America used Cloak to teleport everyone from an unpopulated area into downtown New York to get an advantage over Iron Man's army. Captain America's men destroyed several buildings and murdered 30,000 people in an event worse than 911. Captain America became a traitor and a terrorist and then a mass murderer, when that happened Captain America died for real.
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It amazes me the overall left leaning Bush-Hate that has crept into this. I have news people Bush, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, the list goes on. The global state of affairs is the result of a lot more then just Bush's term. The problem we face now started long before we were a country, and will be around long after our country is gone. Get some historic perspective and let go of your hate. The blame can not be levied at on person, group, or country. World affairs is complex at best.
... say... tier 2 and tier 3 super heroes.
As far as the political commentary it is the death of the American spirit where Cap. was the ideal of what America was and his death more then likely was born out of America realizing that we, as a nation are not perfect and with the movement of globalization the idea of America is lost. His character was too ideallic for writers to deal with in a much more cynically audience. With power inflation gripping this generation of comic characters a near-perfect human doesn't fit well with many of the other
Here are some issues I see with Cap.
1: He's an artifact of the cold war. There are no Nazi's and the Soviets are no more
2: He is tier 1, he's not chucking cars at people and had to think more and with 30 second attention spans comics can't provide it. I have comics from 1960s to present and present comics, on the average are 1/2 as short. Even slicing up a story across 50 issues still requires enough pages for get a needed portion of story told.
3: Using the current backdrop of politics it fails. From a broad "the corruption of government" it grabed only a little. You would still need to toss in corrupted activist judges, smarmy lawyers, an apethetic, lazy, citizen class who refuses to accept their own guilt for putting the corrupt into power, and a law enforcement system that is more concerned about capacities then safety.
Stark should have been finding low cost ways to house the dissidents and release many of the most dangerous into house arrest programs.
I think people are projecting too much of their own politica idealogy into this, trying to make it fit what they believe. It's much more simple and broad.
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"So, since we're a year behind here nobody in the united states have seen any of the third series."
I have.
The Dominators kill Davros.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
Um, yes. That was intended as a bit of irony. I guess it was a bit obtuse for the 'reply to ancient posts with inane one liners' set. I shall endeavor to keep your class of posters in mind henceforth.
My fault for getting a bit behind on /.
At least I'm up to the 6th now.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.