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Killzone 2 Back in Action

After a bout of radio silence, yesterday Sony unveiled Killzone 2 as it stands today. Those attending the event seem duly impressed. Eurogamer's Tom Bramwell points out that the level of cynicism has been set quite high, after the pre-rendered 2005 trailer prompted a lot of hard feelings among journalists. Just the same, Susan Arendt of Game|Life is of the opinion that the wait was worth it: "Most of the action we saw was basic run-and gun--working your way up and down, through the buildings of the city to reach various checkpoints. We saw a fight with a mini-boss that was relatively unremarkable, but it did at least end with a fairly satisfying 'boom.' The level culminated with the destruction of an arc weapon--basically an antenna that draws electricity from lightning and releases it to destroy troops ... Killzone 2 is loud, dirty, and violently elegant. If you have a PS3, you're going to want this game. If you don't have a PS3 you might have to figure out how you're going to get one." For more details, check out the Killzone 2 trailer Sony has released as well as the quick Q&A on the game at PS3 Fanboy.

113 comments

  1. I'm sorry, but.. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 0, Troll

    Killzone (1) really, really sucked. It's beyond me how anyone could get excited for a sequel to such a shitty game.

    1. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by silentace · · Score: 1

      is there a reasoning behind your pompous bullshit comment or you just wanting to thread crap? killzone had amazing graphics and a great concept, good all around gameplay. what are you looking for? i am guessing you want to go play pokemon arena or something along those lines... if you don't think killzone is a great game your wrong

    2. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 1

      Wow. Joke post, right? You can't be serious about Killzone.

    3. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by silentace · · Score: 1

      really didn't play it too much but the graphics at the time were amazing compared to any game out. but i just wanted to continue with im right your wrong mentality since that what seems to work. suprised he didn't add a 1st post WOOT! comment at the end

    4. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Killzone wasn't that appealing to be either, but there's no reason to think them team can't take feedback from that game and make a better game this time round.

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    5. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also this trailer looks like crap compared to the one from two years ago. Seriously, what the fuck are people smoking? Look at the smoke and fire effects (especially the guys on fire in both trailers), look at the polygon count on the characters and especially the faces compared to the previous trailer. It's dishonest advertising and that should be punished under law. Not even close, Sony, SHAME on you!
      Goddamn fanbois make excuses for anything, though, so I'll get modded down for this. This trailer is shit, the previous one looked like Crysis and this one looks like Rainbow Six: Vegas. Understand the difference in technology, please.

    6. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

      As much as I thought the parent to your OP was definitely being stupid, I have to agree with EveryNickIsTaken. The game is a great example of why graphics don't make a game. The graphics were great for a PS2 game, but had horrible mechanics, wretched animation, and boring gameplay. I have a PS3 and I'm going to be skeptical about this game until I can actually play a demo or get a review.

    7. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by hidannik · · Score: 1

      Mediocre, maybe. Sucks? I think that's overstating it a bit.

      I wrote an in-depth review of Killzone when I finished it, which you can find here:

      Killzone Review

      For those who don't want to read the whole thing or skip down to the summary, I concluded that it was not as good as the "Halo Killer" hype, but not as bad as the post-release reviews would have you believe. I did manage to extract some enjoyment from it.

      But if Killzone 2 is more of the same with some pretty added to it, it certainly won't be a system-seller for me.

    8. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by CRiMSON · · Score: 1

      Is there a reason you replied to a pompous bullshit comment with your own pompous bullshit comment? Get over yourself, Killzone was a POS. Sure it was pretty. The game play/mechanics/story were horrible. I haven't met 1 person to say contrary yet. OF course accept you. But that doesn't count.

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    9. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Eh, Killzone really had some things going for it.

      1. The existence of underslung shotguns on the Helghast weapons. Kinda like the underslung 870 used in the 'master key' system for the M-16/M-4/AR-15.
      2. Unlike in many games, you could disable auto-reload for your secondary weapon so that you don't offline your primary weapon just because you touched off a shotgun blast for suppressive fire.
      3. Sprinting was kinda neat.
      4. I actually liked the sniper rifle's aiming system. It felt more 'real' - like you had to shift and reposition the rifle more for large shifts, than for small.

      I would be half inclined to wager that most of the folks who bashed Killzone 1 haven't got any experience with real guns.

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    10. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by ShaggyIan · · Score: 1

      Given the weird review dichotomy (this game is mediocre, YOU MUST HAVE IT!), and the general crappiness of reviews in general lately. . . I'd hold out for the demo.

      I also hear there are people who will actually rent you a game for a few bucks a day.

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    11. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Killzone 2 got so much hype because

      1) pretty pre-rendered trailer
      2) there's not much else to get excited about on the PS3

    12. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by LKM · · Score: 1

      I did manage to extract some enjoyment from it.

      Wow, what an endorsement! I bet they printed that on the box :-)

    13. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they said it was realtime, noob flameps3boy

    14. Re:I'm sorry, but.. by LKM · · Score: 1

      Are you retarded? I wrote it got so much attention due to the prerendered trailers. The trailers were prerendered. We only got to see in-game footage during the last few days. By the way, I own a PS3, you stupid Sony shill. You're not doing your employer any favours by insulting your customers.

  2. The Game Looks Amazing by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 0

    I admit to being a Sony semi-fanboy, but what I saw in the Killzone 2 video was AMAZING. This is why Sony put the Cell processor into the PS3. The graphics are better than any shooter I've ever seen. Killzone 2 will sell millions of PS3s on its own when it ships, the game looks that good.

    1. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by anjin-san+3 · · Score: 1

      The cell processor has nothing to do with the graphics.

    2. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by Broken+scope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it can be used for many things, you can do some of the more general stuff in the cell then toss it onto the RSX for the actual rendering. Its actually pretty damned neat what they can do with that thing.

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    3. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by earbenT · · Score: 1

      No, he's quite right. While the RSX is the primary workhorse for the PS3's graphics, the Cell is also designed to act as a coprocessor when additional resources are required.

    4. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use the cell to do a lot of graphics related tasks.

    5. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by ZachMG · · Score: 1

      Kinda like useing VRAM to augment your onboard video card?

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    6. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      Think of it this way, you can do some of the general geometry and get the basics of the scene. Then you take it from the cell and send it to the RSX and let the RSX do the lighting and application of shaders and what not.

      I'm talking from memory and I may not be saying that right but its the general Idea.

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    7. Re:The Game Looks Amazing by Dred_furst · · Score: 1

      Gotta love how not many people have looked at PC games on high end systems then... I heard the same crap about the Halo 3 beta, HD or not, I was not that impressed by it, It had graphics I saw 2 years ago with things like Half life 2: episode 1 and battlefield 2142. Cell or not, I'd rather see it on a PC anyway.

  3. Consider the hate.. by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

    that Sony/PS3 get for everything it seems these days, and the millions of Xbots, bloggers and even proper news sites, that will gun down everything Sony does, or spind things in a negative way, the fact they all came away saying great things about Killzone 2, means that, for a rational gamer, without Sony hate blurring things, this is some seriously impressive stuff.

    1. Re:Consider the hate.. by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 1

      I too have noticed that the new hip thing is to hate on Sony, especially on sites like Slashdot. Sony's E3 press conference starts soon, let's see what gets posted here about it. I bet it won't be "Sony's E3 Conference Displays Company Confidence" like the Microsoft article. In fact that Microsoft headline reads exactly like an advertisement.

    2. Re:Consider the hate.. by tzhuge · · Score: 1

      Help! Help! Sony is being oppressed!... blah blah blah. With all the defending of your favorite game console's honor, how do you people find the time to actually play games?

    3. Re:Consider the hate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, the PS3 has games?

    4. Re:Consider the hate.. by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      I know, I know. If you listen to the Xbot blogging community, it's easy to be fooled into thinking the PS3 has no games.

      Take a step out into the real world, and there are some great games already, both in retail (Motorstorm, Resistance, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, F1 Championship), and online (SuprtStardustHD, Gran TurismoHD, Calling All Cars).

      There are loads more of course, I have listed the ones I keep coming back to..

    5. Re:Consider the hate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you would, you're a Sony astroturfer.

      But in any case, for a "graphically impressive" shooter, there were sure a lot of blocky textures in that trailer. Which is pathetic when you realize the trailer was shown at "SD" and not at full HD. It can only look even more blocky when blown up. The reduction in resolution also would allow the appearance of antialiasing that may not be there in the final edition.

      All in all, it looked like Half-Life 2 at SD with too many particle effects. Not impressive.

    6. Re:Consider the hate.. by Danse · · Score: 1

      Take a step out into the real world, and there are some great games already, both in retail (Motorstorm, Resistance, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, F1 Championship), and online (SuprtStardustHD, Gran TurismoHD, Calling All Cars). Oblivion? Bleh. Without quite a few mods, that game sucks. I'll go along with Motorstorm, Resistance, and Ninja Gaiden. That's about it. The vast majority of PS3 games are just the usual same-old sports games or movie games. Hardly anything interesting or innovative. So, we're left with 60-something games, of which maybe 5 are any good. Not a good track record.
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    7. Re:Consider the hate.. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Eh, ever since I bought a PS3, I've had more games than I can play. I do, however, have a day job and my fiance demands that we watch DVDs pretty often too. So, the PS3 may not be the right choice for a guy who's spending all day at his console. But the rate of games I'm interested in being released is slightly higher than the amount of time it takes me to finish them, so I'm happy that I have a PS3. I've actually found myself using its media card slots pretty often to show stuff to friends, too.

      Now, that doesn't mean I haven't been through Resistance three times with a friend in co-op because ... well, backlash and fuel-air grenades really are that fun.

      On the other hand, I use Gamefly because I refuse to spend the over-inflated current-gen prices for my games. Working through Darkness right now, and am grumbling my way through unlocking G1 Optimus in Transformers. That particular game was a dog, and it has nothing to do with it being on the PS3. I'm on the 3-out plan, and so far grumbled and rented a PS2 game due to lack of PS3 titles yet.

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    8. Re:Consider the hate.. by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Erm, I did use preview, but didn't catch this. I meant to say I haven't grumbled and rented a PS2 game due to lack of PS3 titles yet. Overall, what I'm saying is that the "there are no games" argument certainly doesn't apply to guys who only play a couple hours a day (with the occasional weekend marathon).

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    9. Re:Consider the hate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha. Sony must be desperate to get these idiots to try and make a AAA game. Guerilla Games catalogue contains such gaming wonders as Tiny Toon Adventures: Dizzy's Candy Quest, Rhino Rumble, Black Belt Challenge, Shellshock: Nam '67, Killzone.

      Ha ha. Go back to the little league chumps.

    10. Re:Consider the hate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like the colours.

  4. huh? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Review : It's generic, you just shoot shit and it's got loud sound.
    Review conclusion : YOU MUST BUY THIS GAME! IT IS BEST GAME EVER!!!

    Excuse me while I work out what the fuck is going on with these guys. Why would a generic, shoot 'em up be a must buy when it's being labeled as a generic shoot 'em up with no real originality or redeemable qualities at all?

    Game journalism, because Mario didn't make sense either.

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    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch this faggot without a clue get modded insightful in 3..2...1..

    2. Re:huh? by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      The level of vitriol going around in this post is remarkable. The one AC reply to you, for example, I just don't know what he's on. Objectively speaking though, I went ahead and actually read the FA, and you're pretty much spot on.

      Gameplay quote:

      Most of the action we saw was basic run-and gun--working your way up and down, through the buildings of the city to reach various checkpoints. We saw a fight with a mini-boss that was relatively unremarkable, but it did at least end with a fairly satisfying "boom."

      Conclusion:

      Killzone 2 is loud, dirty, and violently elegant. If you have a PS3, you're going to want this game. If you don't have a PS3...you might have to figure out how you're going to get one.

      Um... excuse me? Yeah... I stopped being impressed by shiny things and big booms at about age 15. They say absolutely nothing to recommend this game as a particularly rewarding experience, and then conclude that you might want to buy a PS3 just to play it. WHAT?

    3. Re:huh? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      My guess is that they got paid a lot of money (directly or indirectly) to give the game a good review but it sucked so much they could find no sane way to do that save for giving a good "conclusion."

    4. Re:huh? by flitty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the best comment in the thread (or most on topic, take your pick). Most preview looks at games talk about how "awesome" these games are, not matter how they really feel about them. Or there might be some sort of "aura" given off by being a privledged game journalist who gets invited to see a AAA game before it comes out that makes you spout garbage, because you want the "i said it was cool first" cred. Never trust previews of games. NEVER.

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    5. Re:huh? by Knara · · Score: 1

      Given the "7 is the base score" from major media game reviewers (which I guess Wired could arguably fall into, tho it's no Gamepro or IGN), I find this to be entirely plausible.

    6. Re:huh? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Of course the critic is going to say the game was "worth the wait".

      That's what they're paid for.

      "OMFG!!... it's the greatest thing any of us here at the FortressofDopitudeMegaGamerZone.tv have ever seen!!! If you don't have a PS3 you have to run out right effing now and get one or your life will be a dim shell of what could-have-been."

      (How did that sound? You think they'll go for it? I'm behind a month on my car payment.)

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    7. Re:huh? by Nalgas+D.+Lemur · · Score: 1

      Game journalism: So awesome.

  5. Darn, that looks good. by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

    I'm still not willing to take that as the actual graphics till I see someone playing it on a box attached to a HiDef Screen. Trailers, even ones with "gameplay" footage can be very misleading.

    Still as an xbox owner I am rather impressed, and competition between the companies is a good thing.

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    1. Re:Darn, that looks good. by The13thSin · · Score: 1

      Well actually, the game was played before a live audience for 15 minutes, so everyone that attended can verify that the graphics from the trailer are in fact in-game graphics.

      Now let's hope the gameplay's as impressive as the graphics.

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    2. Re:Darn, that looks good. by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      Interesting, but as I said I will remain skeptical till I see it played on a HiDef Screen in person.

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    3. Re:Darn, that looks good. by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is just the quality of the video download, but...meh.

      The graphics are as good as anything I've seen on the PC or XBox360, but that's what we expect from a FPS today.

      Also, the rapid cuts and jumps make it hard to really see how it "feels". Is it really lifelike, or is it just a bunch of repetitive animations and canned effects?.

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    4. Re:Darn, that looks good. by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      yeah, that part of my problem with it, and I'm having the same issue with the new halo trailer even in HD. The constant cutting makes it hard to tell what it actually feels like in some parts of it.

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  6. umm by SolusSD · · Score: 1

    is this sony's secret weapon to save the ps3?

    1. Re:umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony's secret weapon to save the Ps3 is a combination of Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, Killzone2, Home, White Knight Story...

  7. Wait, what? by Applekid · · Score: 1

    If you don't have a PS3 you might have to figure out how you're going to get one.

    Um, walk into a store, grab one of the shelf, proceed to checkout counter, pay?

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by EggyToast · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's the "pay" part that most people have to figure out. At least, people who don't keep $560 just sitting around, completely unusable for any other purpose.

    2. Re:Wait, what? by My+name+is+Bucket · · Score: 0, Troll

      Perhaps. But if you don't have $600 lying around, chances are you have no business buying a bigscreen TV, 5.1 surround system, leather recliner and all those other things that make next-gen gaming truly worthwhile. You'll more likely be playing your Wii on a 20" CRT while sitting at the end of your bed. Woo hoo.

    3. Re:Wait, what? by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Considering that most Americans are in debt, have multiple credit cards, have negative savings I don't think spending $600 they don't have will be an issue at all (or for that matter $3000 to get a HDTV, ps3, receiver, etc).

    4. Re:Wait, what? by MeanderingMind · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting the TV home, we just impounded your car.

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    5. Re:Wait, what? by sholden · · Score: 1

      Good luck setting up the TV, we just foreclosed your home.

    6. Re:Wait, what? by ShaggyIan · · Score: 1

      The problem is finding that one card that is still $600 under the limit.

      "Declined? Okay, try this one. Declined? Mary, that's the good one right? Okay try this one. Declined?!? Dammit, I just sent them some money! . . . "

      (I laugh, but I remember being like that once.)

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  8. The Big Graphics Question by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The big question is: will these cutting-edge graphics still be cutting-edge on newer PS3s that, under Sony's cost-cutting measures, have had hardware components removed in favor of software emulation? Do any of the review sites have these versions of the console?

    1. Re:The Big Graphics Question by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Provided cutting-edge graphics would be provided by PS3 hardware instead of removed PS2 hardware from the PS3, the big answer is yes.

      It's not like they're using the Emotion Engine as a coprocessor while running PS3 games.

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    2. Re:The Big Graphics Question by My+name+is+Bucket · · Score: 1

      The PS3, for all intents and purposes, had a PS2 inside it for emulation. That was taken out in the new revisions. The PS2 hardware can't be accessed by a PS3 game.

    3. Re:The Big Graphics Question by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      So removing hardware only used for playing PS2 games is going to somehow reduce performance on games that don't even use the aforementioned hardware?

      Doesn't your question basically ask "Are they going to defeat the point of a console by removing the idea of one performance standard in game? At least a performance standard that can't be change by the user in a cheap fashion.

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    4. Re:The Big Graphics Question by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, my mistake. Thanks for the clarification!

    5. Re:The Big Graphics Question by DrXym · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Even if future PS3s consolidate hardware, it does not break their ability to play existing PS3 titles.

    6. Re:The Big Graphics Question by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      OK, we have found out 1st idiot...

      Unless Killzone 2 is a PLAYSTATION2, game, removal of the Playstation 2 from from Playstation 3 will make zero difference to a Killzone..

      Did you skip school some something, or does stupid run in your family?

    7. Re:The Big Graphics Question by brkello · · Score: 1

      Uhh, you don't understand. The software emulation is for PS2 titles...not PS3 titles. So your "big question" is irrelevant.

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  9. Ha ha. by svendsen · · Score: 1

    "We saw a fight with a mini-boss that was relatively unremarkable,"

    Ya not a good first impression

    1. Re:Ha ha. by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      Nice one, skip over everything else, as it's positive, and pick up on the only negative in the entire article.

      The mark off a true Xbot. Now run off to your underwhelimg Halo3 beta, and cry about the entire game being relatively unremarkable...

    2. Re:Ha ha. by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Hi Troll,

      How are you today? Hope life is well in troll land. Considering the review said unremarkable boss fight, generic shooter, etc. it doesn't give one much hope at this point. Ya wow graphics....but the game play (from the article) sounds not so exciting.

      Now how else are you a troll? Brining Halo 3 up when it wasn't even in the article and you assume because I make fun of a video game that I must be some sort of anti sony and pro 360 fan boy of the most extreme variety.

      I have a 360, and am not getting Halo 3 and have 0 interest in it (go back to my previous post of my experience with the H3 beta). So let me give you some advice when somebody makes fun you should take it with a grain of salt. It's a game ok Mr. Troll? It's a game you should really learn to relax over them.

    3. Re:Ha ha. by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      Didn't take a genius to work out you were a 360 gamer from your post. It's the same old Microsoft programmed rant 360 owners always post...

      The most impressive part, is how Microsoft have actually managed to convince 10,000,000 Xbox owners, that the 360 rules, everything else sucks, despite actually supplying a pretty sucky consoles themselves, with regards to features and reliability...

      Amazing feat of social engineering..

    4. Re:Ha ha. by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Wow the more you type the more I know you are 100% Ps3 fan boy.

      Please quote from my post where I said the 360 was the greatest, everything else sucks, etc. etc. Cause I also have a DS, game cube and PC that I play games on too. Heck in past posts I have admitted to being 100% wrong on the design issues and posting MS should replace ALL the consoles that have the defect (which I think is all of them).

      But let me turn this around: are you so much of a fan boy that you think that if someone makes fun of a PS3 GAME they must be insulting the system? Because I make fun of any hyped game that fails miserably.

  10. You'll Want This Game! by morari · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you have a PS3, you're going to want this game. If you have a Playstation 3, you'll probably want any game by this point.
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    1. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your are attempting to spread FUD that the PS3 has no games. Too bad your FUD can easily be countered with facts. There are currently 60 PS3 games reviewed on Gamespot:

      http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews& platform=1028&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all &sortdir=asc

    2. Re:You'll Want This Game! by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 1

      ... and how many of them are crappy ports or multiplatform?

    3. Re:You'll Want This Game! by morari · · Score: 1

      And from looking at that list, it appears to be almost entirely yearly sports and movie licensed game. Good job proving me wrong!

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    4. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow. 60 huh?
      there are currently around ten zillion games for the PC, and you can surf and do other shit on it. And you can buy one for around the same price as a PS3.

    5. Re:You'll Want This Game! by LKM · · Score: 1

      ...three of which (including one online game) are worth the money they cost.

    6. Re:You'll Want This Game! by LKM · · Score: 1

      ...or downloadable minigames/arcade ports.

    7. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      Not as many crappy games as the XBox360..

      Currently, It's only a Halo3, Gears and Forza 2 keeping the system alive (or dead, if you are one of the unlucky 2.5 million).

    8. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeing as how the Xbox 360 actually has games outselling the ps3 console, you might want to tone that down a bit.

      ps3 (US sales) ~ 1.5million

      gow ~ 2.5million (~4.5 worldwide)
      crackdown ~ 1.3 million
      oblivion ~ 1.1 million
      graw ~ 1.2 million
      rainbow 6 ~ 1 million
      guitar hero 2 ~ 1 million

      sony titles with 1 million sold in the United States....none.
      the closest is Resistance fall of man ~ .7 million

      But don't let the real numbers get in the way of your fanboyism.

    9. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      I had time to kill, so I decided to go through that list of 60 games:

      (Originally I had a nice list, but I had to condense it to get past the lameness filter)

      Non-Exclusive / Multi-Platform (34 total):

      Oblivion, Need for Speed: Carbon, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Call of Duty 3, The Darkness, Sonic the Hedgehog, Virtua Fighter 5,Joust, The BIGS, Surf's Up, Def Jam: Icon, Armored Core 4, Enchanted Arms, Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII, F.E.A.R, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent, NHL 2K7, NBA 2K7, Madden NFL 07, Major League Baseball 2K7, NBA Street Homecourt, The Godfather, MLB 07: The Show, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Transformers: The Game, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, Spider-Man 3, Virtua Tennis 3, College Hoops 2K7, Fight Night Round 3, Tiger Woogs PGA Tour 07

      PS3 Exclusives (13 total):

      Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MotorStorm, Genji: Days of the Blade, Resistance: Fall of Man, Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire, Blast Factor Advanced Research, Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom, Ridge Racer 7, GripShift, Full Auto 2: Battlelines, Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection, Formula One Championship Edition, NBA 07

      Downloadable PS3 Content / Old Ports (13 total):

      Cash Guns Chaos, Q*bert, Go! Puzzle, Championship Sprint, Rampage World Tour, Super Stardust HD, Rampart, Super Rub a Dub, Gauntlet 2, Mortal Kombat 2, Calling All Cars, flOw, Lemmings

    10. Re:You'll Want This Game! by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Just thought you might enjoy my analysis of those 60 "PS3" games: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=248665&c id=19837159

      13 out of 60 are PS3 exclusives, another 13 out of 60 are downloadable ports, 34 out of 60 are non-exclusive.

  11. The excitement is palpable by Sciros · · Score: 1

    Ok so... that was one of the most nonsense reviews of a supposedly "AAA" title I've read in some time. The wait was worth it for a "fairly linear... basic run and gun... mini boss that was quite unremarkable..." ????? If that's all it takes PS3 owners to get super-excited about a game, then things are grim indeed.

    It's a generic shooter with a fittingly generic name. Even the "favorable" review manages to make this painfully obvious.

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    1. Re:The excitement is palpable by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 1

      The game isn't done yet, they are just showing off a pre-beta. It's to be expected that the levels aren't smoothed out and the gameplay isn't in its final state. They were just showing off their graphics engine, and there's no doubt that it is AWESOME.

    2. Re:The excitement is palpable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OBJECTION! (I suppose that sort of reveals my personal fanboyism.)

      In any case, there is considerable doubt that the engine is awesome. The textures were blocky in many places - and this is supposed to be an HD game, being displaying in a small SD trailer video. If the textures are noticeably blocky at SD, imagine what they look like at HD?

      Plus, the graphics look to be basically the same level that Half-Life 2 was capable of pulling off years ago, with the added caveat that the PS3 is more capable of particle effects so that a lot of that smoke probably wasn't possible on the PC, but that level of graphics is most certainly dated.

      So overall, you have outdated graphics with lots of particle effects. While particle effects are neat, ultimately they just obscure your view when used to the level used in the trailer. Not to mention that most of the trailer was a cinematic, and the gameplay segments were brief seconds of play, which really failed to show how the graphics engine looks.

      Ultimately, I'm unimpressed with their graphics engine. The PC has had graphics of this level for years, and I'm not paying $600 for a gimped computer.

      Oh, wait, you're just a Sony astroturfer, aren't you? Every comment you post accuses people of spreading anti-Sony FUD. Dammit, I fell for it.

  12. Rating by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    Has it been rated yet? It would be quite interesting if this were rated AO.

    What is the real difference between playing a game that has the sole purpose of killing a bunch of people a game that has the sole purpose of killing a bunch of people in a different country? Someone recently joked that Manhunt should have stated that the people were terrorists, and they'd have been okay on rating.

    For my money, a game that attempts to realistically recreate the experience of war -should- be Adult Only, as real adults don't even fair all that well for the real experience. (Mental trauma is almost unavoidable when taking someone's life.)

    It's too bad the ESRB doesn't have to stated exactly why they chose the rating they did, because we'd soon know if they chose AO out of spite or because it genuinely warranted it.

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    1. Re:Rating by Sciros · · Score: 1

      Seeing as "adults" are *arbitrarily* considered people 18+, the whole "mental" aspect is kinda moot as it's different for every person. Some are fine with war from the age of 10, others can't cope with it their whole life. Proclaiming someone an adult starting from some random day doesn't make him/her any more capable in any way whatsoever.

      Anyway, until we're dealing with outright virtual reality, no game will "realistically recreate" the experience of war. If you have the same reaction to killing an enemy in a game as to taking an actual human life, you have some SERIOUS issues and making a game "adult only" isn't going to make them go away.

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    2. Re:Rating by Gorgeous+Si · · Score: 1
      Manhunt was band in the UK because of its tone of voice http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 25909.

      "Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing." ...
      "There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game,"

      Changing the other characters to terrorists probably wouldn't have made a difference.
    3. Re:Rating by armareum · · Score: 0

      Um, it's banned, and you should have left out 'of voice' as well

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    4. Re:Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a point there, however, a game is just that, a game. So long as the viewing audience is capable of differentiating reality from fantasy there is no problem.

  13. BROWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whats with all the brown, killzone? I know there are an infinite number of shades of brown and grey, but certainly you could use some other colors. Some of us yearn for bright, exciting colours in videogames.

    Its like everything in killzone is filtered through a poop-lens so everything gets a dirty brown tint.

    1. Re:BROWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      didn't you know?
      Hd is brown
      http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224

  14. Developer quote by Leo+Sasquatch · · Score: 1

    "We've captured things like muzzle flashes, reloads, and how a weapon feels and reacts in your hand. We want it to be as realistic as possible."

    Everything except for actual damage, presumably. Show me a level where someone gets shot in the foot and limps for the rest of the level, and I'll be impressed. How about head-shots that actually kill or incapacitate an enemy?

    I'm also pig-sick of 'futuristic' shooters where the available weaponry for 90% of the game is a pistol, a shotgun and an assault rifle. Where's the gauss-rifles, the beam weapons, the wire-guns, the imagination?

    But hey, why bother, when you can churn out another corridor run'n'gun game, but with more polygons. 'Cause that makes everything better, right?

  15. Well. . .. by Satanboy · · Score: 1

    I just watched the trailer, I was not impressed.

    It just looks like another FPS.

    If they are going to make FPSes on consoles, there needs to be a keyboard and mouse adapter, I'm tired of trying to play games like this with a controller.

    I hooked my computer up to my HDTV, and I have my fill of FPSes that way. Theres no reason to buy a game like this when I have countless other FPSes that are amazing on my computer.

    1. Re:Well. . .. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If they are going to make FPSes on consoles, there needs to be a keyboard and mouse adapter, I'm tired of trying to play games like this with a controller.
      Why is why I'm so looking forward to Metroid Prime 3. Granted it's a Quest+FPS game, but at least moving around and shooting stuff will be much easier thanks to the Wii-mote and nunchuck.

    2. Re:Well. . .. by Satanboy · · Score: 1

      You got me there, I haven't had a chance to play red steel so I'm not entirely sold on Wii FPS, but if metroid prime is intuitive enough, I may actually buy a Wii, (even if it doesn't have HD quality graphics).

    3. Re:Well. . .. by LKM · · Score: 1

      Plus, you have the option of running around with a stupid looking gun when playing FPS on the Wii :-)

  16. Halo killer my rear end by solar_blitz · · Score: 1

    I remember when Killzone was touted as PS2's Halo-killer, but when I watched the intro and saw him fight in one of the levels, I found it to be another cookie-cutter shoot-em'-up with the same trench-based battles, running n' gunning, and post-apocalyptic scenario that every other shooter on the PS2 had. Best cheesy line? "What the f---'s a Shakespeare?" At this point I realized Killzone was ripping off Battlefield Earth, and anyone desperate to ripoff that storyline - whether it be the film or the novel the film was based upon - should consider a creative writing course at their local community college.

    It seems like once Halo and Halo 2 (and now the upcoming Halo 3) came out, everybody and their grandmother wanted to release a FPS to cash in on the hype. It's a shameless attempt at earning "easy money" through derivative, overused game design and unimaginative storytelling. The most unfortunate problem with this is the fact that this is the state of the video game industry at present. Everyone wants to stick with what's safe, nobody wants to do anything unique or imaginative.

    Don't even make me go into bitching about the title. "Killzone"? How about "Place where you blow stuff up real pretty?" Pardon the cynicism, I just can't stand how easy it is for people to get into this industry with such severe lack of imagination.

    1. Re:Halo killer my rear end by MeanderingMind · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to jump on the Killzone bashing band-wagon, but I am going to jump on the "lets be like Halo" bashing bandwagon.

      To my knowledge, Halo was the first FPS that featured auto-regen of a vital life attribute (in Halo's case, shields). This added a lot of depth to both single and multi-player aspects as there was a reason to take cover beyond delaying the inevitable a few seconds longer. It was a unique feature and new to the genre.

      Next thing that I new, half the other shooters out there had similar mechanics. That would be fine, if it made any sense within the game itself. However, these games had no justifiable reason for it. A WW2 historic battle, I'm shot and all I have to do is take some cover and I'm all better? Or in Goldeneye: Rogue Agent, there wasn't a good reason there either. Unless FPS protagonists all stole DNA from Wolverine, I find throwing that feature around hard to swallow.

      Is Halo the be all and end all of FPSs? No, it's not. However, I have to give Bungie props because they are one of a select few development houses that are actually pushing the genre forward. The advances aren't monumental, but they are important. Beyond the original Halo's achievements, Halo 2 sported the best Dual Wielding in an FPS I'd seen up to that point.

      I'm still waiting for the FPS that revolutionizes the genre, it could use a good shake-up.

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    2. Re:Halo killer my rear end by tb()ne · · Score: 1

      Halo didn't generate the hype. It was as much a part of the hype as anything else. Quake was already on its third iteration when Halo hit the street and the FPS genre was already well established.

    3. Re:Halo killer my rear end by solar_blitz · · Score: 1

      Halo didn't generate the hype. It was as much a part of the hype as anything else. Quake was already on its third iteration when Halo hit the street and the FPS genre was already well established.
      True, there were other FPS games out there, but Halo was finely polished and well designed. While it was by no means revolutionary, the developers did make a lot of smart decisions: a good storyline and good music were placed on top of a smooth, clean front-end UI, exellent enemy AI, and great level design. Because of all this, and the great reception from the audience, Halo became the game to beat. I suppose it could be called a "smart" FPS when compared to the likes of games such as Doom and Quake, imho. If you could outdo Halo, you've got a platinum hit bar none. At least, that's what a lot of publishers thought.

      And so everyone began copying Bungie's Halo. Every other FPS became a "Halo killer", and that is most definitely what Sony touted Killzone as.
    4. Re:Halo killer my rear end by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      The most unfortunate problem with this is the fact that this is the state of the video game industry at present. Everyone wants to stick with what's safe, nobody wants to do anything unique or imaginative. Then play more indie games. This is like complaining "Live Free and Die Hard" is a stereotypical action movie - of course it is, all big-budget movies are like that. In the same way, big budget AAA titles tend to be derivative, preferring to make small twists on tried and true ideas instead of revolutionizing something or another. If you want to support innovation in games, buy and play indie games. There are plenty of us out there who are looking for new gameplay elements that are new and untried, but the mass market's insistence on purty graphics prevents indies from getting any real exposure.
  17. Pleased non-gamer by DefenderThree · · Score: 1

    I might be in the minority here, but I'm not a huge gamer. I didn't grow up with Nintendo or Sega, I'm not a Counterstrike master, I prefer Bejewled to Tetris, I never played Duke Nukem or DOOM or Myst. That said, I've always found the Killzone games irresistably attractive due to their Saving Private Ryan-esque, post-apocalyptic, frantic atmosphere, the sweeping environments and orchestral score, the sound work, the surreal environments, and most importantly, the Helghast, who are so frighteningly sinister and menacing that I enjoy the game most when I'm inflicting the most painful death possible on them. The whole franchise is like an interactive sci-fi action movie. It's not groundbreaking, it's not revolutionary, it doesn't draw me in. It's something I can sit down and enjoy after a frustrating day at work, something I can fire up when friends are over and there's nothing on HBO.

    Why isn't Sony catering to people like me? I don't give a shit about the next gaming revolution, I want a centralized, versatile media center with stuff I can play with, listen to, watch, and hack. If they just laid off the overly aggressive DRM, worked in tandem with the movie and music industry to implement a cheap, online distribution model, pumped out more games like Killzone and Assassin's Creed and brought down the price a little, I would be out the door right now and taking the weekend off.

    These claims of Nintendo and Microsoft dominating the "casual userbase" are overstated, I think. I have no desire to play Resident Evil 4, neither does my grandmother. So are the arguments that game consoles shouldn't be used as media platforms. I'm sure there are countless people out there like me, and it's sad that Sony is skimping on so many little things. Everything is in place. The hardware is there, the market is there, the potential is there. Why can't Sony just go the extra mile?

    Damn, I can't believe I'm seriously considering buying a PS3.

    1. Re:Pleased non-gamer by HappySqurriel · · Score: 1

      I might be in the minority here, but I'm not a huge gamer. I didn't grow up with Nintendo or Sega, I'm not a Counterstrike master, I prefer Bejewled to Tetris, I never played Duke Nukem or DOOM or Myst. That said, I've always found the Killzone games irresistably attractive due to their Saving Private Ryan-esque, post-apocalyptic, frantic atmosphere, the sweeping environments and orchestral score, the sound work, the surreal environments, and most importantly, the Helghast, who are so frighteningly sinister and menacing that I enjoy the game most when I'm inflicting the most painful death possible on them. The whole franchise is like an interactive sci-fi action movie. It's not groundbreaking, it's not revolutionary, it doesn't draw me in. It's something I can sit down and enjoy after a frustrating day at work, something I can fire up when friends are over and there's nothing on HBO.


      Maybe I misunderstand, but it seems like you're saying you love Killzone because it is exactly like a dozen other first person shooters that are on every platform?

      I realize that you probably haven't played most of the games that Killzone has copied but that doesn't change the fact that you could play dozens of games that are exactly like Killzone except for being better.
    2. Re:Pleased non-gamer by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Why isn't Sony catering to people like me? I don't give a shit about the next gaming revolution, I want a centralized, versatile media center with stuff I can play with, listen to, watch, and hack.

      The PS3 does that too. Either you can use the XMB to play / stream music & video or even run Linux if you like. Any Linux without any signed binary nonsense. You can already install Ubuntu, Yellow Dog Linux and Fedora Core. I'm surprised no one has produced a dist yet that jumps straight into MythTV for it.

    3. Re:Pleased non-gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you dope. Resident Evil 4 isn't exactly being marketed to your grandma anyway.

      Anyway, you sound like a nice market schmuck. There's been games for people like you before. Turok. Look it up.

      (Fan of Turok myself but I fully acknowledge what a piece of shit the series has been and/or turned into. Second one was great at the time and that's all the praise I'll lay on it.)

    4. Re:Pleased non-gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, uh, play something that isn't RE4...? Both the Wii and the 360 have other games (I know, hard to believe). As far as casual games though, personally, the Wii can't be beat.

    5. Re:Pleased non-gamer by solar_blitz · · Score: 1

      First off, you say that you find Killzone irresistably attractive because of this and that, and then you say, "it doesn't draw me in." Could you please make up your mind? 0_o;

      And also, if you like the Saving Private Ryan-esque trench battles and stuff, why not just buy Medal of Honor or another game based off of World War II? It's the exact same scenario, but with different names and weaponry: you love shooting Nazis, you're fighting in trenches, and you've most certainly got a frantic atmosphere. Oh yeah, and it's better designed.

      I'm sure you probably like Killzone a lot. All I'm saying is that when you've played the truly great games - the Halos, the Tetrises (Tetri?), etc. - you'll look back at some of the games you used to play and think to yourself, "I actually played some of this junk?" It'll be like night and day to you.

    6. Re:Pleased non-gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling Halo one of "the truly great games" pretty much destroys any credibility you might have had. Try Marathon, or Pathways into Darkness. Halo was bad even for its time.

  18. Watching the Nintendo E3 press conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To sum up so far, Nintendo is just now catching up with 2002 in terms of online gaming, otherwise a GIGANTIC snooze fest.

  19. Re:Pot calls Kettle generic by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

    That's pretty ironic since the X-Box seller at this point is pretty much Gears of War and the upcoming Halo 3.

  20. Re:Pot calls Kettle generic by Sciros · · Score: 1

    Gears of War actually has quite innovative gameplay. It doesn't feel at all like a "typical shooter." As for Halo, it is less innovative than Gears in ways but it also has a legacy that far precedes Killzone, let alone notions of a "typical shooter."

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  21. Figure out how you're going to get one?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a PS3, you're going to want this game. If you don't have a PS3 you might have to figure out how you're going to get one." Uhhh, go to walmart or anyplace else that sells them? Make sure you blow off the dust first!
  22. Typical fps controls, and what a shame. by anduz · · Score: 1

    I've never been a big fan of FPS games on consoles because their gameplay simply isn't suited for a gamepad controller, not in my hands anyways. So the first, and only, console FPS that really did something for me was Gears of War - which I hoped would spark a trend in Console FPS games. Well it sure doesn't look like Sony has picked up on that yet, because it sure seems like Killzone 2 will be doing every single mistake in terms of gameplay that puts me off the gameplay.

  23. Graphics...meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The poly count was up real nice, but there were some serious design problems apparent in that trailer. First is character design, or lack thereof - the captain in particular seems like he was just slapped with a generic Video Game Face - which looks as awkward and plasticy as, for example, the faces on the "extras" in the new Harry Potter game. Then there's the animation; it's stiff, awkward, mechanical and overdone; very fake-looking. The animation for me ruins the cinematic feel of the trailer more than anything else. The sets are really generic and even the futuristic bouncy flycars manage to seem boring.

    And then, of course, there's the sound balance, which suffers in a lot of games. Developers, listen to me: your game needs professional, competent sound mixing. Otherwise all the money you spent recording dialogue and music is going to be wasted when the player has to turn on subtitles just to figure out what the hell is going on.