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NASA Investigates Possible Sabotage by Worker

mytrip writes "NASA said today it is investigating suspected sabotage of a recorder placed on the shuttle Endeavour for delivery to the space station where it will track physical stresses on the orbiting lab."

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  1. Recorder sabotaged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone tried to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" but discovered that one of the holes was blocked.

    1. Re:Recorder sabotaged by Gregb05 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's a troll, he was trying to use as many big words as possible. The rambling and general nonsensicalness of it are meant to confuse and make people feel stupid.

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    2. Re:Recorder sabotaged by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      I suspect this was a joke - possibly satire. Or just crazy talk. They say once you go far enough to one end of the political spectrum it becomes indistinguishable from satire.

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    3. Re:Recorder sabotaged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To those people who are outraged at Mr. Cassius Corodes's bitter politics, this post will be of interest. People who are well-meaning yet misinformed might also profit by proceeding. For the remainder who are indifferent, faint of heart, or content to let Mr. Corodes break down traditional values, I regret that there is little reason to read further. In the text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in his logic, because he doubtlessly doesn't use any logic. I assume that he is unaware of his obligation not to crush the remaining vestiges of democracy throughout the world, as this unawareness would be consistent with his prior displays of ignorance. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    4. Re:Recorder sabotaged by Gregb05 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Spent a good 30 minutes looking for the source :)

      Although I have no criticism of Mr. Anonymous Coward's blanket statements, I have a few observations and comments to share. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. As our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the sorts of people Mr. Coward preys upon. He must sense his own irremediable inferiority. That's why Mr. Coward is so desperate to disguise the complexity of color, the brutality of class, and the importance of religion and sexual identity in the construction and practice of philistinism; it's the only way for him to distinguish himself from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if Mr. Coward also realized that he is always prating about how a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. (He used to say that stoicism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions, but the evidence is too contrary, so he's given up on that score.) The bottom line is that Mr. Anonymous Coward got into a snit the last time I pointed out that questionable statistics, pseudoscientific studies, and biased reports tell us how to live, what to say, what to think, what to know, and -- most importantly -- what not to know.

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    5. Re:Recorder sabotaged by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      That's Dr C.C. to you - once I modify that generator to write PhDs.

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    6. Re:Recorder sabotaged by __aaltii7299 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This really isn't funny, the employee of a subcontractor tried to sabotage a space station. This is huge, what this idiot did could have taken the lives of Astronauts. And while it may not be a treasonable offense, it is extremely disquieting to me. And it makes me wonder how many such incidents have gone by unnoticed. I need to know if this man or woman was a crazed Evangelical, a North Korean spy, or just a terrorist.

      The subcontractor reported the damage themselves, so it wasn't like NASA employees caught this.

  2. This has happened before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the X-Files. Maybe someone should call Mulder.

  3. Our fine government employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does NASA hire all the nut-jobs who are too wacko to work for the post office?

    1. Re:Our fine government employees by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It was the recorder used to fake the moon landings, it had to be destroyed by NASA itself. What the real story is, that some brave employee attempted to thwart the destruction of the proof of fake moon landings, but NASA turned the story around and tried to look like some unusual equipment sabotage.

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    2. Re:Our fine government employees by halfloaded · · Score: 1

      Damn. I thought they were talking about a recorder. I was really hoping to see pictures of monkeys in space playing them. Whoever sabotaged the recorder must burn!

    3. Re:Our fine government employees by v1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA: The unidentified employee, who works for a NASA subcontractor, cut wires inside the computer that is supposed to be delivered to the international space station by Endeavour, officials said.

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    4. Re:Our fine government employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't feed the trolls.

    5. Re:Our fine government employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats rediculous you're rediculous

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    6. Re:Our fine government employees by panopticonisi · · Score: 1

      To quote Dean Acosta, deputy assistant administrator for public affairs at NASA, "There was no effort to silence Dr. Hansen. That's not the way we operate here at NASA. We promote openness and we speak with the facts." He went on to say that, according to NASA policy, "the restrictions on Dr. Hansen applied to all National Aeronautics and Space Administration personnel", also adding that "government scientists were free to discuss scientific findings, but that policy statements should be left to policy makers and appointed spokesmen." link. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything that you read in Rolling Stone Magazine.

    7. Re:Our fine government employees by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Nah, He's just keeping them busy in the open till morning hits.

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    8. Re:Our fine government employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, please, please do not take any thing that comes from NASA PAO at face value.

    9. Re:Our fine government employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to spell you illiterate, trailer park dwelling, meth addled asshole. www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/rediculous.html

  4. Dr Smith by hedley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dr Smith works for a subcontractor now? That Jupiter2 gig must have finished.

    1. Re:Dr Smith by Improv · · Score: 4, Funny

      Congrats! You just beat out every sufficiently old geek who wanted to make that joke :)

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    2. Re:Dr Smith by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dr Smith works for a subcontractor now? That Jupiter2 gig must have finished.

      Not only that, but his even newer job at Scaled Composites doesn't seem to have worked out, either . Not to joke, though. Looks like some people died today out in the Mojave at that facility.

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    3. Re:Dr Smith by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      the kids here probably only remember the 1998 version.

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    4. Re:Dr Smith by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      At least it had Heather Graham. mmm.

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    5. Re:Dr Smith by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Dude, Heather Graham has been in plenty of movies, several of which may not qualify as "crimes against humanity". That crapfest was not one of them.

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    6. Re:Dr Smith by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      I am old enough to remember "Lost in Space" both as original and saturday reruns. Loved the campy original, and loved the movie. Not EVERYONE hated that movie, you know.

      Damn kids and their loud music....

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    7. Re:Dr Smith by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      I suspect from Dr. Smith's fey mannerisms that he is a robosexual.
      Robot: Warning! Warning! Impending climax!
      Dr Smith: Oh! The pain, the pain.

  5. I, for one, welcome our... by Will+the+Chill · · Score: 0

    space-station-destroying disgruntled-government-employee working-class overlords!!!

    -WtC

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  6. Was is really sabotage? by akh · · Score: 1

    TFA's a bit light on details but maybe someone just dropped a wrench on the thing. OTOH if it's cut wires or something like that's another story...

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    1. Re:Was is really sabotage? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 2, Funny

      The recorder came equipped with DRM/TC/Palladium and a boot-block monitor which only allowed MS signatures. The tech wanted to install Linux. Clipping the wires was the only way to bypass the DRM and put LILO on the HD.

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    2. Re:Was is really sabotage? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_re_us/sp ace_sabotage
      According to that article the work also got the backup/ground test model (not sure what is, just that it wasn't flight hardware). Definitely not an accident

    3. Re:Was is really sabotage? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 1

      Excuse me, the workER also got the backup/ground test model.

      That didn't even make sense otherwise.

    4. Re:Was is really sabotage? by akh · · Score: 1

      So it was cut wires after all.

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    5. Re:Was is really sabotage? by Nimey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Accept Eris as your Fnord and personally sate her


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    6. Re:Was is really sabotage? by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hail Eris, hail yes!

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    7. Re:Was is really sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut wires. Yes sabotage. And if I read the article right, there was one that was in pre flight status almost ready to go on board the shuttle for flight that was cut as well. Okay fine, it was damaged by a disgruntled worker. Stuff happens. But how on earth did sabotaged hardware get as far toward flight acceptance as this thing did? The agency certainly does NOT need this kind of thing happening, but I guess when you do your business with the lowest bidder this is what you get.

    8. Re:Was is really sabotage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "According to that article the work also got the backup/ground test model"

      well of course; it has to mimic the behaviour of the one in use ;)

  7. Remember kids... by perlhacker14 · · Score: 1

    Spies could be everywhere. You must report only to us, the communist party. We want to protect you from harm, so we must know everything. Even about your parents! So, what do you know, child? Oh, woops... Wrong country. Still could be spies though! Prepare for war!

  8. Erm... by PlasticMonkey · · Score: 1

    Brilliant Journalism!
    Two! Measly! Paragraphs!

    =/

    I know NASA might have been sketchy on the details, but I can't believe this has made its way to the front page with a few lines of text in the fine article. I know we never RTFA, but we don't have a bloody chance today! How can you get a meaningful discussion out of this?!

    Ahhhhh.
    Bye bye, karma.

    1. Re:Erm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For Christ's sake buddy, two paragraphs *is* an article in this day and age. (Don't blame me, I never watched MTV.)

    2. Re:Erm... by vic-traill · · Score: 1

      Two! Measly! Paragraphs

      Second. WTF are we supposed to do with this - it tell you shinola? What slays me is how many comments there are on it, with me being another sheep in the herd.

      I generally pick CowboyNeal in polls ... but I think you should get a roll of tinfoil and a hat pattern, dude, - assertions to the contrary notwithstanding, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/ 26/1224255, your editor's pumpkin is on the slow cooker tonight my friend.

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  9. Vague by Joebert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Talk about a vague story, I bet half the comments on Slashdot in the last 24 hours have more to them than that story did.

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    1. Re:Vague by Teifion · · Score: 1

      Talk about a vague story, I bet half the comments on Slashdot in the last 24 hours have more to them than that story did. Lets not go overboard now, this is /. we're talking about here!
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    2. Re:Vague by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Talk about a vague story, I bet half the comments on Slashdot in the last 24 hours have more to them than that story did.

      Well, a quarter if you don't count dupes.

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    3. Re:Vague by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet half the comments on Slashdot in the last 24 hours have more to them than that story did.

      I bet most the comments on Slashdot will be just people who like to hear themselves talk.

    4. Re:Vague by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      I bet half the comments on Slashdot in the last 24 hours have more to them than that story did.
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  10. Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    More info at BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6918490.stm "The discovery came as an independent health panel found astronauts had been allowed to fly after drinking alcohol." Is this a joke? So all this time 'The Right stuff' was in reference to a Johnny Walker?!?

    1. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure there's a whole lot for astronauts to _do_ when they're "flying", at least at launch. It's not like driving a car or even flying a plane. A bunch of computers coordinate the rocket booster firing. Basically you sit there as the g-force pushes you back into the seat and hope like hell you don't blow up.

      I wouldn't have a drink because I'd be more likely to get nauseous. But I doubt a bit of alcohol in your system is going to make much of a difference, unless maybe you're one of those people with a genetic lack of that enzyme that lets most humans metabolize alochol.

    2. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by edsyc · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the mothers would care too much. Assuming the drunk astronauts got the shuttle off the ground, the mothers' children shouldn't be in danger.

    3. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by Bishop+Ebonhand · · Score: 4, Funny

      My GF just walked into the room and asked what I was reading. after explaining the sabotage and intoxication scandal, she replied with "can you blame them for flying drunk? hell, they can't even be sure the equipment will even work. Hell, I'd want to be drunk too" superior logic prevails..

    4. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My GF just walked into the room and asked what I was reading

      Sounds like a bunny boiler... Be careful amigo...

      Oh wait, this is slashdot. Of course GF means your gaussian filter...

    5. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by RalphTheWonderLlama · · Score: 1

      There's a decent chance they might die so what's wrong with a nice glass of wine in the O&C Building astronaut's quarters before walking out the Astro-Bus?

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    6. Re:Mothers Against Drunk Astronauts by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      Have you ever actually read The Right Stuff? The impression the book gives is that most of the original Mercury astronauts were apparently Type A overachievers suffering from chronic adrenaline and testosterone poisoning. At one point in the book, the flight surgeons told them that they were not supposed to drink within 24 hours of flying. According to the book, the astronauts interpreted this rule as "No drinking within 24 feet of the plane."

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  11. Details are scant, but.... by dashslotter · · Score: 2, Informative

    FTA: The recorder, which does not play a role in protecting astronauts or the space station, was damaged by an unidentified person or persons and will be repaired. No word yet on suspects, but NASA investigators said it was "peppered pretty good."

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  12. what really happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    guyzz.... omg its liek soo obvious. duh, the lil thingy was trying to psychially track itself in liek a warmup test or sumthing. and it scrwed up. duh!

  13. A better article by l33t.g33k · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here everybody, this one has much more info: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/26/nasa.computers.re ut/

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    1. Re:A better Article by Reddragon220 · · Score: 0

      Damn, became a dupe in 30 seconds, my bad.

    2. Re:A better article by emjoi_gently · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, It doesn't say much more.

      "The U.S. space agency NASA on Thursday confirmed it had discovered the apparent sabotage of a noncritical component of the international space station due to be carried up by the space shuttle Endeavour. It launched an investigation after finding cut wires in a piece of computer equipment intended to transfer data from station sensors to the ground, the agency said."

      That's about it on the topic.

      It still has the feeling of "Wha? I don't get it.". Either NASA is deliberately playing down a more serious issue, or we have some very incompetent saboteurs. Or an employee who had a momentary temper tantrum at whatever piece of equipment was in front of them.

    3. Re:A better article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either NASA is deliberately playing down a more serious issue, or we have some very incompetent saboteurs. Or an employee who had a momentary temper tantrum at whatever piece of equipment was in front of them. There are other possibilities.

      "You have to get even with Jerry. It's a moral imperative."
    4. Re:A better article by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      Either NASA is deliberately playing down a more serious issue, or we have some very incompetent saboteurs.

      Yeah, I can't see the possible value in the act other than to a) marr NASA's image b) start a fire. Option "b" makes more sense to me in terms of having a greater potential effect. Option "a" would only work if it were part of an ongoing program of sabotage.

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    5. Re:A better article by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Either NASA is deliberately playing down a more serious issue, or we have some very incompetent saboteurs."

      Third option: It's not just the pilots who are drunk.

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    6. Re:A better Article by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Then I ask you... Why? Or was it maybe just a test to see if sabotage could enter the ship unnoticed?

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    7. Re:A better article by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Or maybe some idiot who cut the wrong wires, or it was unfinished rework, or some guy dropped his wrench and it severed a wire, or who knows. A cut wire doesn't mean intentional sabotage.

  14. A better Article by Reddragon220 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The BBC has a much better article that goes into the incident in detail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6918490.stm
    The damage was done by a (currently) unidentified sub-contractor on a non-essential computer intended to collect and moniter data from sensors that detect the vibrations and forces on the space station's external trusses.

  15. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There have been several incidents at NASA that could only be caused by sabotage. None know to make it to the pad.

    Of course, why is this happening? Who would do it? At this point it just looks like a group that wants NASA to fail.

    I blame Thomas Dolby. ;)

    1. Re:True by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Who would do it? At this point it just looks like a group that wants NASA to fail.

      Who would benefit most from making space appear too dangerous for civilians, and coincidentally has common contractors with NASA?

      Of course, this is utter paranoia: the current administration just isn't that subtle.

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    2. Re:True by Ender_Wiggin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah! She blinded me with science!

    3. Re:True by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Of course, why is this happening? Who would do it? At this point it just looks like a group that wants NASA to fail.
      Must be crazed Randian slashdot readers, judgeing by past comments here.
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    4. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, does Richard Branson own any wirecutters?

    5. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes no sense. As things stand now, the military can dictate a crew requirements if they so choose.

      Besides that, the crew can delivery a load and not have any idea what is in it.

      Plus, nothing is stopping military personal; from applying as an astronaut.

  16. Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    can explain the problems. NASA is a dysfunctional bureaucracy that has killed dozens of our best and brightest people through carelessness, malfeasance, and incompetence. There is no proper oversight and when people screw up, they face zero consequences.

    One the one hand, I've no doubt there is a need to take security very seriously there. On the other hand, if you look at how many astronauts have died from terrorists vs how many have died from bureaucracy and bad management, the score is 0 to a few dozen. And yet, none of those managers or bureaucrats or contractors ever underwent any consequences for the negligent deaths they caused.

    At least in the private sector, the customers of your space ship flight can sue you if they die in a fireball because some dumbass was too eager to push the go stick or ignored the warnings of the low level engineers. But if it is NASA, you just get a weepy eyed president blabbering on and on, a handshake and a wreath of roses. Nobody gets fired. People just try to cover each others asses and save their jobs.

    1. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked in the private sector and public sector (in europe), I'd have to say you're deluded - the private sector screws up a lot more as they're always trying to minimise expenditure, and because they don't have the public sector transparency / freedom of information rules, they cover way more shit up.

    2. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      Damn, I wish I had mod points tonight, you make an insightful comment. So much money, so much focus on terrorism when 10 of thousands die from more immediate causes like aids, cars, cancer, when talented professionals die because of political or managerial decision making.

      sigh...

      In the three drink minimum state I am in tonight I have moments when I ponder, do *We* deserve this existence, this blessing of life. Pyscho's want to blow me up because they love to kill, extremeists would love to put a collar around my neck and lead me to the "promised land", and some ass wipe sabotages some obscure system because why? Hell if we even know, but it became news and thus added to the anxiety of society.

      sigh...

      I ponder how we discovered the new world, asia, hell, even sailed beyond the horizon considering what *We* has become today.

      Maybe more more glass of Merlot wont hurt tonight. Maybe NASA will still inspire me tomorrow.

      Sigh...

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    3. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by DanielMarkham · · Score: 1

      The war on terror is a political war involving violence, not a shoot-em-up war involving armies (although they might be useful) It's the result of a small number of crazy people being able to control large populations through the use of stealth and violence. Because it's a political war, it gets more money than other stuff. Same reason AIDS research in the U.S. gets more money than heart disease, even though heart disease kills a lot more people. Politicians are supposed to make political threats go away. That's the way it's supposed to work. I now return you to your evening.

    4. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be forgetting that in this instance the saboteur was a sub-contractor, in other words the problem was CAUSED by private sector involvement. So don't spout off to us about the wonders of the private sector.

    5. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      Nice troll.

      You are so against NASA waisting lives? Then why not look to the Army (ie. all the armies of the world, wasting lives for profit mostly)?

      And it is asinine to suggest that "customers of your spaceship flight can sue if they die"!!! You clearly DO NOT understand the motives of what NASA stands behind and what it is for. You do not understand what science and pushing frontiers means.

      Finally, it is not important that some moron kills astronauts. What is important is that some moron can hold the entire human race back a number of years. A much more serious problem if you ask any astronaut or scientist. The intent is important. Incompetence can be mitigated.

    6. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

      "At least in the private sector, the customers of your space ship flight can sue you if they die in a fireball because some dumbass was too eager to push the go stick or ignored the warnings of the low level engineers. But if it is NASA, you just get a weepy eyed president blabbering on and on, a handshake and a wreath of roses. Nobody gets fired. People just try to cover each others asses and save their jobs."

      You're the type of dumbass that sprouts "accountability" and other MBA BS that drives company into the ground. Try reading "Fooled by Randomness". There's a great deal more randomness and unpredictability in our lives than we like to admit. For every great man that succeeds that's one hundred equally great men who failed because of circumstances. In space exploration and reaching into the unknown, this is even more true. Can your simple mind comprehend the incredible number of variables in this world?

      I'm glad NASA doesn't go around blaming people, scape-goating them, and then burying it under the rug like the private sector. After each accident, NASA asks why and investigates before pointing fingers. Research into group think came out of the Challenger tragedy. Now we're more aware of how we fool ourselves into a sense of false security. Failure can come at all levels ranging from personal to institutional to circumstantial. Short sighted people like you can't see that. You're like those new CEOs that immediate layoff people when you hit a bad quarter, looking to scapegoat other people, without thinking about the long term consequences such as brain drain.

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    7. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by thej1nx · · Score: 1
      At least in the private sector, the customers of your space ship flight can sue you if they die in a fireball because some dumbass was too eager to push the go stick or ignored the warnings of the low level engineers.


      I am glad you so firmly believe in the after-life. US courts, on the other hand, do not.

    8. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by CompMD · · Score: 1

      I, for one, agree that incompetence is running around. I have to work with an arrogant grad student in aerospace engineering that is destined for a GS-13 job at NASA. I'm not trolling, I work for a high profile aircraft design and analysis firm that often works with the local university, so I see this guy for the conman he is. Problem is the idiot isn't an engineer. He had ZERO engineering background prior to starting this masters degree, and every project he has undertaken as a grad student has failed. But he keeps getting good grades. He also didn't have to take most of the prerequisite classes, like structures and aerodynamics. And his thesis? Nobody has seen it, and the topic changes every week? Why? Because he's full of crap. Even today, he is helping load the moving truck to go to his fantastic job at NASA, and he hasn't even defended his thesis. Never mind that the job supposedly is contingent upon him actually passing. It sickens me to think that this guy is going to receive gobs of money to work with things he doesn't understand with the potential to cause harm to people.

      I used to love NASA, and I always kept a meatball sticker on my car. But after seeing how connections trump incompetence and the threat to people's safety, I am sorely disappointed in NASA.

    9. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by geekoid · · Score: 1

      What the hell does aerodynamics have to to with a GS-13 position? do you know what a GS-13 Does?

      No, I thought not.

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    10. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Deserve? DESERVE?!?

      Nobody, no species, deserves anything. They carve out what they can to strive forward. No more, no less

      Human are a fantastic species!
      We mold stone, make steel, build glass buildings that touch the sky!
      We can get from one major city to another major city, ANYWHERE in the world, in a day. We have machines that can explore the ocean depths, we've sent men to the moon and brought them back safely, we sent machines out side our solar system, found planets orbiting distant stars, Are are starting to understand the very fabric of reality.
      We FUCKING RULE!

      Yeah, a small percentage of people are assholes. But even still we still keep moving.

      SO enjoy your wine, but stop with your whine and look around. Then find something that helps us keep moving.
      There is no moving forward, there is no moving backwards, there is only striving towards goals.

      Everyday reach, set goal a little higher then you think you can do. Move, play enjoy. Even death isn't a certainty(although it is a strong probability!)

      I leave you with one question:

      What are you going to do to inspire others?
      Tick-Tock, another second lost.

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    11. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am quite aware. GS-13 is a pay grade. Did you know that?

    12. Re:Don't look for conspiracy where incompetence by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      "What are you going to do to inspire others?
      Tick-Tock, another second lost."

      I just did. I inspired you to comment. As to beyond that, I have my moments when I inspire just as I am inspired by others. Amazing perspective you have. Similar to the wine I had last night, A little pretentious, but with softer atfer tones and just a hint of sass.

      Life, it is to be enjoyed!

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      Life is a great ride, the vehicle doesn't matter
  17. Seven? by erktrek · · Score: 1

    So he's still trying to do his thing. Wonder what happened to Isis?

    Now all we need is a UFO sighting by a decorated pilot..

  18. Outside contractor? by DMCBOSTON · · Score: 1

    FTA:"It launched an investigation after finding cut wires in a piece of computer equipment intended to transfer data from station sensors to the ground, the agency said." If the equipment was built by an outside contractor and the cut was inside it, well, maybe it was the contractor's employee. If it was in house, cut wires would show up. I think the prelaunch diagnostics would have found it anyway.

  19. 1988 by BigBadBus · · Score: 1

    In the weeks before the successful relaunch of the STS program with STS-26, we in the UK had news broadcasts about deliberate sabotage to the O-rings of a forthcoming space shuttle launch (not STS-26 and probably not 27). Despite a suspect declaring her innocence on TV, we heard nothing more about it. Maybe this will go the same way?

  20. Re:Wall Street TUMBLES Apple by larry+bagina · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    if by "tumbles" you mean "hit an all time high" then yeah. I'm crying all the way to the bank. cha-ching!!!!

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  21. sounds like a loser by swschrad · · Score: 0, Troll

    there is a subculture in NASA of pure antisocial losers hiding out as ubertechs at contractors. one flipped and cut a bunch of wires is how I see it.

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    1. Re:sounds like a loser by Rob+Carr · · Score: 1
      "there is a subculture in NASA of pure antisocial losers hiding out as ubertechs at contractors. one flipped and cut a bunch of wires is how I see it."

      The above post was rude and thus modded "troll," but think about it for a second. What's more likely: a vast conspiracy to destroy the space station by sabotaging something non-life-threatening or someone with narcissistic or borderline personality disorder (or some sort of "Cluster B" personality disorder combination) who has difficulty relating to others and who decided to act out passive-aggressively by cutting some wires?

      And let's be honest: how many technogeeks have you met in your life that are complete knee-biters?

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    2. Re:sounds like a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Quote:

      "What's more likely . . . someone with narcissistic or borderline personality disorder (or some sort of "Cluster B" personality disorder combination) who has difficulty relating to others and who decided to act out passive-aggressively by cutting some wires?"


      Hmmm? How do you know so much lingo and detailed information about this psychiatric disorder? Maybe you have it yourself.

      Anyway, it was a muslim. So much for your theory. But then again, Islam is a mental disorder.
    3. Re:sounds like a loser by Rob+Carr · · Score: 1
      "Hmmm? How do you know so much lingo and detailed information about this psychiatric disorder?"

      I used to teach the Behavioral Emergency module in addition to ACLS and airway maintenance. "Cluster B" is also known as the "Drama Queens," and thus disproportionately represented in the patients seen in emergency rooms.

      And, after working with a few histrions, a supervisor with a gaping narcissistic wound, and a trainee who was a classic example of borderline personality disorder, it's a little hard to forget the basic definitions. Yes, my copy of the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual is III-R. Some things just haven't changed that much.

      "Anyway, it was a muslim. So much for your theory"

      Uh...yeah. Sure.

      [Shrugs, walks away, reminding self that arguing with drunks or the intellectually stunted never works and just leads to frustration.]

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  22. wiki news karma whoring by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or follow the story here, complete with links to the source articles at Reuters, AP, etc.

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  23. It was the RIAA by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 1

    Apparently the astronauts piggy-backed a of recording "My Lipgloss is poppin'" illegally.

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  24. Our fine conspiracy theories.--Vote now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    And the conspiracy theorists are off! With Poperatzo in the lead!

    1. Re:Our fine conspiracy theories.--Vote now! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      These days, if you claim a government conspiracy about anything, you stand a pretty good chance of being right.

      But you're right, I didn't get to the part of the article where it talks about the worker clipping wires.

      The fact that the current administration is interfering with scientific research isn't really arguable, however. If I wasn't half-sloshed from these Vodka Collins my wife's making I'd go hunt up the links. You can find them pretty easily with Google, though.

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  25. drunk 'naughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seems to have missed the story that some nappy-wearers have been found out to be drunk in charge of thousands of tonnes of combustible materials...

  26. a little more info by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just a little more info here, but apparently they have ruled out any connection to a labor strike that has dragged on since mid-June. A little information about what was sabotaged too:

    The computer is designed to retrieve data from strain gauges on the central truss of the space station. It was repaired and will be installed in the U.S. Destiny laboratory after it is delivered to the outpost by the Endeavour astronauts.
    1. Re:a little more info by JrOldPhart · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the same NASA that got all flipped out because some engineer bought some parts from Radio Shack to meet a schedule. BUT, OMG, They are not an approved vendor! All of those superfluous paper pushers didn't get to validate their jobs by puting their stamp of approval on that 1K resistor.

      Some how I can't get too excited about this.

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      Nothing is foolproof, fools are too ingenious. - Murphy
    2. Re:a little more info by khallow · · Score: 1

      Well, yes we are talking about the same NASA. It does appear to be an act of sabotage though as other posters have indicated.

    3. Re:a little more info by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      And they also have ruled out any connection with the mis-spelling of Uranus as found in this page. One would hope that a space agency, of all institutions, would know how to spell the name of a planet. At least, they didn't post any photos of this lovely planet on there... yet.

    4. Re:a little more info by khallow · · Score: 1

      Well, that is good to know. We must keep assembling pieces of this inscrutable puzzle.

    5. Re:a little more info by geekoid · · Score: 1

      considering NASA can get into SUBSTANTIAL LEAGLE TROUBLE for not using an approved vendor, they should have flipped out.

      That a Federal issue and it applies to all agencies.

      You do NOT want to be using a 1K resistor from radio shack on any critical systems. Those resitors tollerance will be all over the board. Hell, do they even sell gold band level a tolerance at radio shack?

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    6. Re:a little more info by JrOldPhart · · Score: 1

      Most engineer's and techs have an ohm meter.

      It is only important to use "Approved Vendors" to satisfy paper pushers. Attorneys are among them. Notice that the more we litigate the further behind we fall. In 1969 we landed men on the moon, Since then, a few robotic probes, and a myopic telescope. The legal system has brought us DMCA, RIAA and MPAA among other wondrous things.

      Maybe NASA is one of the leaders in bringing us down. Maybe they are only a victim.

      A resistor that measures 1,000 ohms is within 1%. Even if it is marked 20%.

      When you let lawyers determine the specs for equipment, The equipment will work as well as our legal system.

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      Nothing is foolproof, fools are too ingenious. - Murphy
  27. Improper Use by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's management trying to cover their tracks.

  28. Inflated title as usual by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was just damaged, probably someone dropped it and put it back in hoping nobody would notice.

    Happens all the time! Although you would hope people would be more willing to own up to that kind of thing for anything life threatening.

    I guess they never talk about the guy that dropped the o-rings while they were putting them on the shuttle, huh...

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  29. This Sounds Like A Job For... by morari · · Score: 1

    James Bond!

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    "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    1. Re:This Sounds Like A Job For... by k3vlar · · Score: 1

      James Bond Jr.! James Bond junior chases SCUM around the world!

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      Unlike porn, which yada yada rimshot hey-ooh!
  30. Other news: Fatal explosion at Mojave Airport by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Between the sabotage news, the drunk astronaut news, and the following, this is looking like a pretty bad day for spaceflight:

    http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=mojave+ex plosion&btnG=Search+News
    http://www.personalspaceflight.info/2007/07/26/

    According to local media reports, there has been a fatal explosion at a rocket test stand at Mojave Airport, home to a number of entrepreneurial space companies. Two people were killed and four people were injured. The company involved hasn't been identified; according to an amalgam of the sketchy reports available so far, it involved a nitrous oxide "flash explosion" on a test stand. ... According to KBAK-TV, the explosion took place at a Scaled Composites facility at the airport, but the TV station said they didn't know yet if any Scaled employees were among the casualties.

    1. Re:Other news: Fatal explosion at Mojave Airport by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

      Really fast airport, there.

      "Scary, loud, like an airport breaking the sound," Jackson said.

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      "I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
    2. Re:Other news: Fatal explosion at Mojave Airport by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As far as I can see, Scaled Composites and Xcor are the only tenants at Mojave using nitrous. SC in the HTPB hybrid from SpaceDev http://www.astronautix.com/engines/spaybrid.htm , and Xcor in its 15 and 50 Lbf motors http://www.xcor.com/products/engines/2P1_N2O_ethan e_rocket_engine.html . The latter wouldn't need a truck load of the stuff. SpaceDev is working on a lot more hybrid projects than just SC's, but their test own stand is at Capistrano. SC is both secretive about its running projects and notoriously bad about updating it web sites about what it does announce, but by now they should be ramping up for testing the motor for SS2.

      This certainly throws a wrench into the "hybrids are so much safer" works. Very bad for the two dead and four hurt, I'm just hoping Rutan wasn't among them.

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      "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
    3. Re:Other news: Fatal explosion at Mojave Airport by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was Scaled Composites' facility. Rutan wasn't there.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19983814/

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      "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  31. Are we even sure it's bad? by KC1P · · Score: 2

    I'll bet we'll never hear the follow-up, other than that they'll find a scapegoat and put them away. But not every cut wire in the world is sabotage ... for all we know someone just pruned out an unused section of a wiring harness, or something. So it would be nice to hear what the effects were supposed to be before we get too excited about those evil bastards trying to save a few grams of weight on an expensive space flight.

    1. Re:Are we even sure it's bad? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It would be very unlikely that they would snip wire and leave them exposed as part of the mission. In fact, I will say that they would never do that.

      This isn't some consumer electronic piece here.

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  32. Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I'm more of a Lacey Chabert guy myself.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Now maybe, but she was young enough then to make you do time.

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    2. Re:Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I think she was almost 16 when it was released back in 1998. In some states that's pretty much legal, and for many people here they were that age back in 1998.

      She's mid-twenties now, and gorgeous. but she seems to be getting parts in films that I am not interested in.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      When you are 40, 16 is never legal. Even if it was, that is what you call "pitchfork and torch" justification. Legal would be the least of your concerns.

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      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    4. Re:Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      society can and does allow for 16 year old girls to live with adult men. We all might like to think that we wouldn't allow for teenagers to establish relationships with grown adults, but it appears to happen all the time in the US, with few if any consequences.

      The family needs to be respectable and needs to put up a fuss before anything really happens. If you shack up with some poor white trash, it appears nobody will object seriously enough to call you out on it.

      16 is one of those funny ages. where you're not a child, and you can make real decisions about your future. (we encourage teens choose their colleges, future careers, etc). but at the same time you are incredibly naive and lack worldly experience.

      Personally I don't see the draw to having a teenage girlfriend, even when I was a teenager I didn't want to actually get into a "serious" relationship with one.

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    5. Re:Heather Graham or Lacey Chabert by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      In the US, you can read about how 20 year olds go to jail for having sex with a 16 year old, for statutory rape. No less a 40 year old. This isn't theory, it happens fairly often.

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  33. Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth. by rs79 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "the kids here probably only remember the 1998 version"

    Worst. Film. Ever. The friggin series was bad enough.

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    Need Mercedes parts ?
  34. Boy are you an idiot by Quadraginta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NASA is a dysfunctional bureaucracy that has killed dozens of our best and brightest people through carelessness, malfeasance, and incompetence.

    No, they've killed one and a half dozen astronauts through making mistakes, and if you use your head for something other than keeping your ears apart you'll realize that making mistakes is part of their mission. That's what exploration and research are all about. How the hell do you expect to learn anything new if you don't make mistakes? Did you learn to walk without skinning your knees? Did you learn to use the toilet without crapping in your pants once or twice? Does any complex program compile the first (or fifth) time through without error?

    Or do you think using chemical bombs to accelerate people and tons of hardware to 4 or 5 miles per second up into a hard vacuum, with reusable craft, over and over again, with randomly shifting priorities set by a bunch of accountants and lawyers is a trivial task, the kind of thing any moron can get right the first time?

    Apparently you haven't learned that the way to avoid any mistake is totally obvious in hindsight, but that, alas, this profound wisdom has yet to reduce the frequency with which human beings make mistakes. Go accomplish something new and remarkable in your life, count up the goofs you make along the way, and then come back with a little more wisdom and a little less clueless arrogance.

    1. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Bobby+Mahoney · · Score: 1

      HereHere!
      So often the people who complain about NASA fail to recognize that NASA's job is to send people into space... ON THE BACK OF A GIANT FUCKING MISSILE.
      I'd say they've done a great job, all things considered.

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      !#&*
    2. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to disagree. Yes, NASA's job is to push the envelope and make mistakes. But Challenger and Colombia weren't really mistakes. They were failures in management, not unknowns in engineering. In both cases engineering recognized the threat, tried to get management to take action, and was shot down.

      This is especially true of Challenger, where it was fairly clear to all who were in the know that the Shuttle was not tolerant of low temperatures, and management had a long history of redefining problems into successes because previous missions had survived them. When the O-rings would burn a third of the way through, management would say that this meant they had a safety factor of three! This for a component which was not supposed to erode at all. The company in charge of the booster company said that they had grave reservations about launching on that day but were told to shut up and be a team player. They didn't stick to their guns, and then seven people died.

      Colombia was a lot less clear cut. Ice falling onto the wings seems like an obvious problem but it wasn't so clear at the time. Engineering did see the really big chunk come off and suggested asking for images from the spy satellite people, but management didn't want to listen. It's not clear that anything could have been done by then anyway since they were already in space, but nothing was tried to even identify the problem, much less rescue the astronauts.

      I believe there is a fundamental difference between pushing the envelope and occasionally killing people by doing so, and overruling the objections of your engineers and the strong data backing them up which says that you might kill these people if you launch in these temperatures, and then killing those people because you launched in those temperatures.

    3. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Repton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with you that you need to accept some mistakes, NASA's bureaucracy has not been faultless. I encourage you to read Richard Feynman's report on the Challenger disaster.

      Sample quote:

      Engineers at Rocketdyne, the manufacturer, estimate the total probability [of mission failure] as 1/10,000. Engineers at Marshal estimate it as 1/300, while NASA management, to whom these engineers report, claims it is 1/100,000. An independent engineer consulting for NASA thought 1 or 2 per 100 a reasonable estimate.
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    4. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MARS NEEDS WOMEN

    5. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does any complex program compile the first (or fifth) time through without error? Why yes, I'm pretty good at always having my programs compile correctly the first time. Having the program provide the correct result when run the first (or fifth) time is another story, but at least I avoid syntax errors.
    6. Re:Boy are you an idiot by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      No, they've killed one and a half dozen astronauts through making mistakes ... making mistakes is part of their mission Well, there's mistakes and there's mistakes. Chunk of foam comes off the external tank and puts a hole in your heat shield, well, maybe you should have seen that coming, but it's a pretty subtle mode of failure. Ditto for using a slightly wrong kind of rubber in your rocket booster gaskets.

      But filling a capsule with 1 bar O2, a lot of electricity, and three flammable humans? Apollo-era NASA deserves to be cut some slack, but anyone could tell you ahead of time that was a total bonehead maneuver.
    7. Re:Boy are you an idiot by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Both the Space Shuttle accidents seem to have happened after the President decided to start running NASA "like a business." When PR and marketing trump the mission, stuff explodes.

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    8. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only subtle the first time it happens. And sometimes not even then.

      The failure mode which killed Challenger was known since 1977. The Shuttle O-rings partially burned through on many flights prior to the accident. Prominent engineers had explicitly warned that cold temperatures would result in failed O-ring seals, and the O-rings were officially designated a "Criticality 1" component.

      But each partial O-ring failure was redefined as a success. It had partially burned through but the vehicle survived, therefore that means it wasn't a problem. It only burned one third of the way through on one flight, so NASA management declared that the O-rings on this flight had a safety factor of 3... for a component which was not supposed to burn through at all!

      To compare with Apollo 1, imagine if NASA had been launching Apollos with full-pressure oxygen atmospheres for years. Imagine if a large number of flights resulted in small fires but due to luck none of them turned deadly. Imagine if management then declared that each fire which didn't kill the crew meant that the vehicle was even safer than envisioned, and each incident was further proof that fire was not a danger. Imagine prominent engineers saying that fire will kill people, but management ignoring them because of the "proof" that it was no danger. Imagine that one fire does finally turn into a disaster and kill everyone. It should be obvious that this scenario is much worse from a mistakes-and-blame perspective than the real Apollo 1 fire, and this scenario is equivalent to the Challenger accident.

      Columbia was not nearly so cut and dried. While some concerns were raised, it seems that nobody truly realized the extent of the danger until after the accident. You'll recall the shock and amazement of basically everyone involved after the test where they fired wet foam at a mockup of the Shuttle's wing and it ended up doing extensive damage, more than anyone had really expected. This stands in stark contrast to Challenger, where the failure mode was predicted and documented and warned about starting from nearly ten years before the accident. However even with Columbia, similar bad reasoning was used. Columbia was not the first time large chunks of foam and ice came off the external tank and damaged the orbiter, it was just the first time it had killed anyone. And just like Challenger, each time it happened and resulted in a successful flight, management took it as an indication that this problem was not a problem at all, "proving" the safety of the system and reducing the need to investigate.

      I am willing to call Columbia an intersection of an unforeseen design flaw and a bit of management apathy (they did nothing to address the concerns of the engineers who saw the foam possibly hit the wing during launch), but Challenger was simply an institutional failure through deliberate ignorance foolish optimism overriding strong, valid, and well-documented concerns about a major design flaw which had caused serious problems on many previous flights.

    9. Re:Boy are you an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "While I agree with you that you need to accept some mistakes, NASA's bureaucracy has not been faultless. I encourage you to read Richard Feynman's report on the Challenger disaster."

      Well, yes, but Feynman was a really smart guy, and famously willing to follow the evidence to conclusions most people intuitively avoid because of the unpleasant consequences of saying things that powerful people don't want to hear. And he had the advantage of 20-20 hindsight.
  35. 3-2-1 by belg4mit · · Score: 1

    Why build one when you can build two for twice the price?

    (two references for the price of one)

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  36. In other news... by AgentPaper · · Score: 2, Funny

    The same inspection also caught a failed AE-35 antenna control module, which was removed and replaced. The defective module was tested and found to be in perfect working order; NASA spokepeople point to human error as the cause of the problem.

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  37. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny


    Worst. Film. Ever. The friggin series was bad enough.
    I assume you're saying that only because you've successfully managed to wipe such gems as Highlander II and Battlefield Earth from your memory. I apologize for having undone that. But it was for your own good. Perspective is important... even if painful.
  38. Dave? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    What are you doing, Dave?

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  39. Re:sounds like a muslim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are correct, sir. The perp's name is Mohammed Salah. No surprise here.

  40. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    "Worst. Film. Ever. The friggin series was bad enough."

    If Matrix Reloaded, Episode II/III, and Third Space hadn't come out since, I'd agree with you.

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  41. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by armareum · · Score: 1

    Highlander II, what a joke! After finally being forced to watch Highlander I, I immediately questioned the possible existence of any sequels. And not just because the first one wasn't particularly good.

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  42. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

    There was no sequel to Highlander, because, as we all know, there can be only one!!!

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  43. Official NASA statement to drunk astronauts: by paranoid123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I don't understand it, that was non-alcoholic champagne."

  44. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

    Gigli.

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  45. Don't F*ck with a NASA nerd's computer by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are certain things you never do in this world. Hold lit firecracker in your hand. Knock over a beehive. Watch news stories about celebrities who do things to be Media Attention Whores (MAWs).

    But if there is anything that you never EVER do if you want to live, it is f*ck with a nerd's computer. If you f*ck with a NASA nerd's computer, you are dead where you stand.

    Whoever this person is who has attempted to tamper with so much as a peice of recording equipment has attempted to tamper with an international construction project, possibly in an effort en expand the authoritative powers of the first world nations who are playing Chicken Little and shouting "The terrorists are coming. The sky is falling. Everybody panic!"

    By compromising NASA's security, they have infringed upon the freedoms that they claim outsiders are taking from up when it is the people from within who can't keep their hands off of things they know they shouldn't be messing with.

    NASA has had its share of scandels over the past year that are far more trivial compared to breaking into a laboratory owned by one of the most reviered organizations on the planet.

    Even the sleeping giant gets bit on the hand by it's own dog. This dog has teeth, and tommarrow we will use them.

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  46. Why this happened by mikiN · · Score: 1

    One word.

    LEVIATHAN

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  47. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by fuzza · · Score: 2

    Oh come now, you're not even trying! Between Manos: The Hands Of Fate, Monster A Go-Go, and The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!?, MST3k has you all beat :-P

    (And yes, I rather liked the Lost In Space film - certainly no worse than any Michael Bay stuff. Yes, this includes Transformers.)

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  48. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by Simon+Kongshoj · · Score: 1

    I see your Battlefield Earth and raise you one Manos: The Hands of Fate.

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    Six sick .sigs, the Number of the Beast!
  49. Unidentified = code word for 'muslim'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to know if unidentified is a code word for muslim? Honestly, with the UK retreating from being able to say 'war on terror' or to be able to connect 'muslim' and 'terrorist' in their verbiage (or whatever), and with the Dems trying to allow people to get sued for tipping the gov't on suspicious activities....is this just CYA? -Anon

  50. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by theun4gven · · Score: 1

    But Highlander won the Academy Award for best movie ever made!

  51. Just one word: Powerpoint by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    'nuff said

  52. Probably tweakers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was probably tweakers looking for wire to recycle for money to buy more meth.

  53. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by armareum · · Score: 1

    Really? I hated it.

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  54. Highlander, my friend, was a documentary by wezeldog · · Score: 2, Funny

    And all the events happened in real-time..

  55. Ellie really wasn't into Palmer all that much... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > "NASA said today it is investigating suspected sabotage of a recorder placed on the shuttle
    > Endeavour for delivery to the space station where it will track physical stresses on the orbiting lab."

    The article continues:

    "The worker, a man in his early 30s with long, platinum blond hair, is currently being held in a facility in Virginia. Sources report he was concerned about 'these kinds of men talking to your god for you', and had previously been a rising star in the President's 'Faith-Based Initiatives' program."

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  56. Spelling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh.... I'm dumb. Of course Colombia is a country in South America, and the space shuttle to which I referred multiple times in my post is spelled Columbia.

  57. Well done sir, by geekoid · · Score: 1

    well done.

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  58. NASA has had its share of bad publicity lately. by MCraigW · · Score: 1

    But was the saboteur wearing diapers? That's all I care about.

  59. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Nope, Battle Field earth is worse.
    A) It had a potential it didn't even come close to fulfilling,
    B) Manos never tried to pretend it was good.

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  60. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by Goldarn · · Score: 1

    Two words: Ice Pirates.

    Five words: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians.

  61. Highlander 2 and the Sean Connery principle by Goldarn · · Score: 1

    I developed what I humbly call the "Sean Connery Principle" specifically for H2. I found that the movie wasn't unwatchable while Sean Connery was on screen, but as soon as his character left, I couldn't believe I'd sat through the whole thing.

    I must be a terrible power to have, to get the audience to ignore the awfulness of a movie.

    Personally, I rate movies by how little I check my watch during them, but maybe that's just me.

  62. Re:Pardon me while I throw up a little in my mouth by mfrank · · Score: 1

    It had potential? Obviously you never read the book. It was too crappy to even be camp.

  63. How do they know it was sabotage? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I mean, they haven't found the person who did it, so far all they know, the damage could have simply been caused by gross negligence or incompetence.

    The fact that there's a serious lack of motive for this sort of sabotage suggests that this possibility may merit consideration.

  64. mistakes are only good if you learn from them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not if you keep repeating the same ones, over and over and over, while people die.

    of course, you can still get +5 moderation points, get cheering crowds, and get elected, with a philosophy like yours.

    then after millions of people die (vietnam), you can act like it was someone elses fault, and go around talk shows admired as a 'brilliant person'.

    just dont show up at any human rights group meetings or any other gathering that is made of the 'grunts' whose lives you sacrificed for your noble agenda and your propounding on the virtue of other peoples deaths.

  65. i mean, the 'customer' has more power over a compa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    company than government employees do over the government.