Sony Crows About Blu-ray, Upcoming PS3 DVR Functionality

Questions Sony needs to answer by _xeno_ · 2007-08-01 10:18 · Score: 5, Interesting

PS3 as a DVR, huh? Well, that raises the following questions:

Does it support CableCard?
If not, how does it change channels?
Does it support HD? (I'd assume it does.)
Is it an additional add-on? (I'd assume it is, with a remote.) If so, how much does it cost?
How does it compare to other DVRs? Specifically, does it require a subscription? Offer TV listings? Offer suggestions?
Can it record while a game is playing? While a movie (DVD/Blu-Ray) is playing?
Does it use the same hard drive that games use? Will they be competing for available space?

I think that's my list of questions. I could see it working, but it'd have to be able to beat TiVo on ease of use. I'd rather have a separate DVR, but I can definitely understand that some people would want a combination console/DVD/Blu-Ray/DVR unit.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by LWATCDR · 2007-08-01 10:23 · Score: 2, Insightful

Gee I have been predicting this from the start.
What I wonder in addition to all of your questions is.
1. Will it let you save the shows to a memory stick to watch on your PSP?
2 Will it let you use your PSP to watch shows over wifi served from your PS3?

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by amuro98 · 2007-08-01 11:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

This isn't the first time Sony has talked about something like this. I remember them talking about a DVR for the PS2 as well. In fact, wasn't that what the short-lived "PSX" was? (yes, there was a real product called "PSX" - and it didn't refer to the PS1 prototype.)

However, with set-top boxes required to decrypt non-OTA HD channels, or even use a satellite dish, and the providers now also offer a built-in DVR for only a little more than their non-HD, non-DVR box, is there really a market for this?

As much as I love my old Tivo, I saw its usefulness coming to an end as more and more stations started moving to HD, which in turn would force us to get a set-top-box from whoever our provider would be at that time.

There's also the problem of cost. Even if the PS3 drops to $400 by next year, I can't see this tuner+DVR package costing less than $100. So you're talking $500 for a 80GB DVR/blu-ray player/game console. This also assumes there no additional service fees for the guide data.

I just don't see the justification here. I can't see the DVR functionality being totally independent here - especially if the DVR uses the PS3's existing HDD. So, while you might be able to watch a blu-ray movie while the DVR does its thing, you probably won't be able to play a game - and if that's the case, why bother with this at all? The original reason I bought my Tivo back in 2001 was so that I could play games and NOT have to worry about missing TV shows. It worked out pretty well. I could game whenever I wanted, then I'd watch The Daily Show while I ate dinner.

The other concern I have is that the PS3 isn't exactly a lightweight when it comes to power consumption. DVRs are active 24/7. (although in its defense, I really don't know how much power my HD satellite receiver/DVR eats up either...)
Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by cbreaker · 2007-08-01 14:45 · Score: 1

Blah blah, poor developers.

Every new platform is difficult if it's not what you've been doing. I don't feel sorry for these people; they're paid to develop titles. And they have been. There's an assload of games being released for Sony's game system.

Exclusives are over-rated; that's why you see a lot less of them these days. I can imagine a world where there's enough room for more then one game console. Why can't you?

ps. Since the PS3 plays games, why not also use it for other things? You know, these things are just fancy looking computers. Why do you rather these things be useless for anything besides playing games?

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by Omeger · 2007-08-01 17:50 · Score: 1

MGS4 is still only coming out for the PS3. There's be no announcement yet about any other platforms.
Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by LWATCDR · 2007-08-02 03:02 · Score: 2, Interesting

"Blah blah, poor developers.

Every new platform is difficult if it's not what you've been doing. I don't feel sorry for these people; "

If a system is hard to develop for then the developers will be spending more time just making the game work instead of making the game great. Systems that are hard to develop for tend to fail. the Intel i860 cpu, the apx432, the Connection Machine...
The Itantium is a classic example of how hard to develop for has in impact on success. It floundered early one because the compilers available at launch couldn't generate good code.
"Exclusives are over-rated; that's why you see a lot less of them these days. " So then buy the cheapest system that will play them. That isn't the PS3. To pay a premium for a console there must be software that makes the premium worth while.

While I think the adding of PVR functionality to the PS3 is a good idea it does raise some issues.
1. Can you save the video on other mass storage devices? A home server? an external USB hard drive?
2. Can you use it as a DVR while your playing games? If not then you will miss a show or not get to play a game when you want to.
3. How much DRM will you have put up with? Can I take the show and put it on my PSP? Will I have the option of watching TV with my PSP? Could I forward a port on my fire wall and stream my shows to my PSP anywhere I have wifi? Can I put my shows on my video iPod without a bunch of hacks I get off the internet? Sony's track record makes me think that I will have to give my credit card number each time I watch any show or fast forward a commercial.
4. Will it be a good DVR?
Yes it is nice that a game console can do something besides play games but it needs to play games first. It has to have good games. It has to be fun. It is nice if your car has a good stereo but if it doesn't drive well it is a bad car.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by dreamchaser · 2007-08-02 03:41 · Score: 1

You do know that TiVo has at least 2 models, the Series 3 and the TiVo HD, that not only do HD but work with CableCard specs so that you don't NEED a separate set top box, right? As for being able to play a game while recording, why not? There is ample processing power, or the DVR component could even have a separate co processor to handle encoding/decoding/recording. We just don't know yet.
Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by Duffy13 · 2007-08-02 04:13 · Score: 1

At E3 (July 11th to be specific) it was announced that MGS4 will stay exclusive to the PS3.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by fistfullast33l · 2007-08-02 04:17 · Score: 1

Obviously no details have been released yet, but we can at least speculate (I reorganized your questions):

Is it an additional add-on? (I'd assume it is, with a remote.) If so, how much does it cost?

Seeing as this would be a huge marketing thing if it was built in, I think we can assume that this would have to be an add-on. The PS3 has USB ports, so I'm thinking that's an obvious connection method.

Does it support CableCard?

I don't think we can answer that definitively, but seeing as they already make a digital entertainment product with a CableCard slot, it's possible that this could happen. At least we know they have the infrastructure in place to produce devices with CableCard slots, and are aware that this might be a good thing to include.

Does it support HD? (I'd assume it does.)

Obviously we don't know, but we could go either way here - to support digital and HD cable subscriptions you'd think they'd definitely have to include it. But I have to speculate what their content protection would be on any recorded content. Of course, seeing as the PS3 supports HDMI 1.3, I think it's safe to say this device, if it comes to fruition, definitely would support HD content.

How does it compare to other DVRs? Specifically, does it require a subscription? Offer TV listings? Offer suggestions?

I can't answer that, but my link above to the Sony Vaio XL3 gets a pretty decent, but not perfect, review from CNET. I imagine it won't be a Tivo, but for people like me who don't want to own a Tivo, I'm hoping that this will be an adequate solution. Particularly if you can access the device from within the PS3's linux distro...

Can it record while a game is playing? While a movie (DVD/Blu-Ray) is playing?

If we follow through with the assumption that the device is external, I don't expect it to draw too much power from the PS3 itself. Given that you currently can download content from the web while watching a movie or playing a game, I think that this feature is a must-have, but maybe not available initially. As with the PSP and PS3, I see them following the trend of releasing good hardware with limited features and patching with firmware releases as time goes on.

Does it use the same hard drive that games use? Will they be competing for available space?

Seeing as the ability to connect external devices is built into the current Sony firmware, I don't see how they can not allow you to use an external hard drive or memory card. Of course, the content will be encrypted, so mobility will be an interesting issue...but the ability to take recorded content on the road with your PSP is very intriguing.
Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by jamie(really) · 2007-08-02 06:28 · Score: 1

The article seemed to refer to free terrestrial DVB digital broadcasting in new zealand.
I wouldn't touch a CableCard based system if my life depended on it. I've never gotten it to work (or I should say my cable company who charge me to come to my house and fuck about for an hour at a time) have never gotten it to work for more than a day. CableCard is quite amusing. The Cable Industry is fucking me about in order to protect someone elses content, while the content providers themselves will sell it to me over download with much less restrictive DRM, and for less money. Its almost as if CableCard was thought up by the content providers to cut the cable card middlemen out of the loop. Ha ha ha ha! I don't subscribe to cable any more. I just use iTunes, XBox Live, Amazon Unboxed, etc. Good job CableCard!!!
Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by cbreaker · 2007-08-02 08:13 · Score: 1

Who cares if the DVR thing raises questions? It's a new item, and who knows, it might suck. Ain't nobody forcing me to buy it. It's a fine machine without that, but it might be really cool! I'm patient enough to wait for the details to be released.

Folks like you keep saying "yea all this cool extra stuff is okay but it NEEDS GAMES FIRST." Well, considering how many people and companies are involved with all this, I don't know why you think both can't be done at the same time. From where I sit, there's plenty of games hitting the market. It's a new system; these things take time. I'm happy with the system now. All these free new features just make me even more glad I purchased it.

So to your first point, if "hard to program" is a key to failure, then how come Sony sold 120M+ Playstation 2 systems? That system was actually more difficult according to some sources. Not only that, but they're STILL making games for that system to this day. So there goes that theory.

Your point of the Itanium isn't factual either. Itanium failed because: Too expensive, not compatible with x86 (it could run some code, VERY slowly) and it was targeted at the high-end X86 market - stupid. Yea, the Intel compilers couldn't generate good code. However, the PS3 compilers can. So, with Itanium it just WASN'T POSSIBLE to write fast software. Not true with Cell. Really. Cell ain't that odd.

It's okay if you're unsure about the PS3's future. Don't buy one today. You will eventually, though.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by LWATCDR · 2007-08-02 11:08 · Score: 1

You see I find this post amusing because I am not bashing the PS3.
Yes the PS2 was hard to program. But no the Cell is just that odd when used in the PS3. No one is using the theoretical power of the Cell in the PS3. The memory structure is a mess and dealing with the asymmetrical nature of the CPU core+Cells is really hard. Not impossible but really hard. Notice that all the really big games are getting pushed back. Yes being hard to program is a negative. It is one reason that the XBox did as well as it did. It was easy to write for. They came from zero to very popular system in a single generation.

I didn't say that the DVR was useless or even a bad idea. Was predicting it from the start. I think Sony was stupid not to include it from the start. If they had included the DVR plus the ability to put shows on to the PSP and the Video IPod they would have sold a lot of systems. The price of the PS3 isn't bad as a Blue ray player plus HD DVR that can also play games.

As to me buying one? I really wanted one when they first came out. When I heard you could run Linux on them I thought great I can try out the Cell. But now I just don't want one. There isn't a game on the system I must have or even really want. I don't like FPS, GTA, or fighting games. I really HATE fighting games! I got a Wii after playing a friends and my wife and I love it.
I may buy one but only when it is a lot cheaper and there are games I want for it. I have an HD DVR, a Dreamcast, a PS2, a GC, an N64, a Wii, and a DS. Not to mention the multiple PCs and notebooks in my home. There are not enough Blue Ray DVDs for me to choose from and I will wait to see how that shakes out.

Right now the key to the PS3s failure or success will be games and cost. Can they get developers to write games that make the PS3 worth owning and can they get the cost down so people will buy them for the games. I am glad you like yours but the reality of the gaming industry are numbers.
Developers want to sell lots of games. They write their games for the console that will provide the best market. The more games a console has the more people will buy the console.
The PS3 is far behind the Wii everywhere. It is far behind the 360 every where but Japan.
Yes in Sony doesn't get some great games out then the PS3 will stay in third place. It will be the Amiga of the Consoles. Technically better but lacking software support.
I am glad you like you PS3. I loved my Amiga and wrote some code for it.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by cbreaker · 2007-08-03 01:06 · Score: 1

You claim you're not anti-PS3 but everything you write, including the "Yea and I loved my Amiga" are backhanded insults. Ridiculous.

PS. Being behind the 360 in sales is an old stupid argument. They've been selling that system for a lot longer.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by LWATCDR · 2007-08-03 02:22 · Score: 1

I am insulting the PS3? Gee do you think I hurt it's feelings?
It is a game console. I think it is lacking in many respects like software and cost. Get over it it is just a thing and not your family.
If you like it then fine. I am not anti-PS3 because I don't care enough about it to be anti. It doesn't really matter to me since I don't see enough value in it to play $500 or so dollars for it. I don't own a 360 because I don't see enough value in that. Does that make me anti 360?

The 360 being ahead of the PS3 in sales isn't an argument it is a simple fact. It being out longer is also a plus for the 360. The developers have been working with it longer. They know it better than the PS3. The developer tools for the 360 are better than the PS3. The 360 like the PC really is good enough for HD gaming. A game publisher doesn't care WHY there are more consoles on the market. They care about how many people might buy their game. The market for the 360 is bigger than the market for the PS3. Ever wonder why so many games are still coming out for the PS2? Because there are a LOT of PS2 buyers.The PS2 is a prime example of the best not always winning. Raw performance wise the PS2 was the wost of the last generation gaming systems. Even the GC and Dreamcast had better graphics hardware than the PS2. The emotion engine is a mess to deal with. A LOT of people bought the PS2 because of hype and the success of the PSONE. It including a DVD player was another big plus at the time.
As I said the PS3 may in the end do well. But it will have to get some must have exclusive games and I feel the price will have to drop. I think if the DVR is done correctly and not a broken DRM laden mess it may be a big selling point.
But get over it. You liked the PS3 enough to buy one. If you are happy with it that is all that matters. I don't like the PS3 enough to buy one. I simply took the time to point out what the DVR should do to be a big success.

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Re:Questions Sony needs to answer by amuro98 · 2007-08-06 10:20 · Score: 1

Yes, I know about the series 3. I also know the series 3 is $300, and that Comcast doesn't support cablecard (how nice of them!)

So I'll still have to get Comcast's cable box, Comcast's digital cable, and now I'm spending $100/mo. just for programming. And don't forget about the Tivo service fee...

Oh, and since I already have the cable box, why not get DVR for just $10/mo more - that's about the same amount Tivo's 3 year service program costs.

What about satellite? Well, DirecTivo is a thing of the past - otherwise I'd have gone with DirecTV in a heartbeat. Dish has an offer for new customers that essentially gives you a free dual HD tuner DVR.

Seriously, my wife and I love our (series 1, hacked) Tivo, and were trying to find a way to keep a Tivo in our lives as we transitioned to HD, but with the current mess that things are in now, it's actually cheaper to just take the set-top DVR, bugs and all, from the local provider rather than end up spending an additional $300 + $9.95/mo for Tivo.

In 18 months, our contract with Dish expires, and we'll be free to re-evaluate our options at that time. May the best company win.

Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by 19thNervousBreakdown · 2007-08-01 10:19 · Score: 3, Insightful

There's a headline for you. What, they're not supposed to be proud of their invention? A game wasn't unable to fit on a single DVD? If you're going to Sony bash, do it for something valid, like their rootkits, horrible customer service, or the way they managed to destroy Star Wars. Blu-Ray actually isn't bad, so when you gripe about it, it just makes your legitimate gripes look like more bellyaching.

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Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by Winckle · 2007-08-01 10:30 · Score: 3, Funny

Star Wars?

Elaborate.
Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by karmatic · 2007-08-01 10:50 · Score: 1

SW:G

'nuff said.
Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by Winckle · 2007-08-01 12:01 · Score: 1

Ah I see. So much potential.
Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by cgenman · 2007-08-01 14:42 · Score: 1

Actually, Bizzare Creations has since retracted that statement, saying instead that the real reason was they wanted to focus financial resources on a weather system.

Which is all fine and good. "Crowing" about it seems reasonable (as defined as "to gloat, boast, or exult"). I'd hardly call that Bile. Also, Sony did use this slightly thin example to say that their Overpriced-but-with-blu-ray strategy had been vindicated.

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Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by 19thNervousBreakdown · 2007-08-01 14:56 · Score: 1

At some point you have to interpret tone, and Zonk has never posted anything positive about the PS3. Given that, and the fact that crowing usually is meant in a negative manner, you have to interpret the post as negative.

Also, I'm tired of hearing that the PS3 is overpriced. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it too expensive? For me, yes. Not that I couldn't have one now, but it's way more than I'm willing to pay. The thing is, it's not milk. It's not electricity. You don't need it, so if you're not willing to pay the money then don't pay it. Blu-ray was and still is a new technology, so yeah, it costs a lot. More than it's worth? Hell yes, early adopters are recouping Sony's development cost for them. Is it stupid to do it this way? I dunno. They had to get a product out to compete with Microsoft and Nintendo, so they couldn't spend more development time to make it cheaper, and if their system didn't knock the other two out of the park they were going to fail. Whether they're profitable or not tells whether it was a dumb move, but just because they're dumb doesn't mean they're evil. Whining about it like Sony's somehow screwing you over by either stealing $600 from you or heniously depriving you of a PS3 at the price you think you should pay is just annoying.

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Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by Floritard · 2007-08-02 05:02 · Score: 1

Ahem.

Star Wars Galaxies - 2003

Star Wars Episode I : The Phantom Menace - 1999

Give credit where credit is due.
Re:Zonk Vents Bile at Sony by MeanderingMind · 2007-08-02 07:14 · Score: 1

At some point you have to interpret facts.
Zonk has never posted anything positive about the PS3

This is blatantly false. Here are stories Zonk has posted that are positive.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/24/ 1312223
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/23/ 2146211
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/11/ 2018259
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/09/ 0253236
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/23/ 214231
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/08/ 1518245
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/ 212254
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/25/ 1712247

I could keep going back, but I think the point has been made. None of these news articles have any hint of aggression, dislike, or malevolence from Zonk. Some of the news was later soiled by slip-ups by Sony, but I don't think we can credit Zonk with being able to see the future.

The fact of the matter is that text on the internet is hard to read properly. The intentions of the author are difficult to make out and understand, and it is exceptionally easy to read things the wrong way. I had enough problems on IM with my girlfriend because the body language and tone of voice that would have been enlightening as to my intent with a sentence were lost. Zonk is a victim of people reading into his words a grudge against Sony, and nothing more.

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PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2007-08-01 10:23 · Score: 1, Insightful

What the hell did people expect to happen when Microsoft made the inane decision to be the first console maker ever to actually ship a system with LESS storage space than a previous generation.

Atari 2600
NES - more storage space compared to previous gen
Genesis - more storage space compared to previous gen
N64 - more storage space compared to previous gen
Playstation - more storage space compared to previous gen
PS2/Xbox - more storage space compared to previous gen
PS3 - more storage space compared to previous gen

360 - 1 gig LESS storage than the previous gen

Microsoft is fucked and they have only themselves to blame for screwing up last gen and being forced to rush a defective and storage gimped console out to market.

Babbling about 'compression' or 'lazy developers'
Or crying
Or flaming
Or whatever isn't going to change the fact that Microsoft is

FUCKED

when it comes to storage this gen.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by ironwill96 · 2007-08-01 10:25 · Score: 2, Informative

I do so hate responding to AC's, but just wanted to point out a fatal flaw in your argument. The 360 has a 20 GB base hard drive, some of which is taken up by system storage etc, but I know on my hard drive right now I have 14 GB free, odd if I only have a 7GB drive. Get your facts straight.

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by Anonymous Coward · 2007-08-01 10:30 · Score: 1, Interesting

No the 360 does not have a 20 gig base harddrive. Some 360s have harddrives, some don't. Every 360 game is required to run without a harddrive(except some European sports game).

That is why Rockstar has been complaining about what a nightmare being forced to support the gimped 360 is.

And regardless of the lack of a standard harddrive, nothing is ever going to change the fact that the 360 has a gig less storage compared to the PS2 and Xbox last gen.

That is so amazingly pathetic that only a company like Microsoft could ever be that dumb.

Sony making a PVR by chazard · 2007-08-01 10:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

With their history of unfriendly DRM (think atrac3 and rootkit history) from Sony, I think I will steer far, far away from any DVR functionality that would likely cost me a few hundred dollars to use the existing harddrive in a P3S.
Mind you the idea of running Myth on it could be pretty cool.
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Re:Sony making a PVR by nuzak · 2007-08-01 12:10 · Score: 1

> if Microsoft wins, gamers lose big. Games will be subscription based and DRM will be so much worse.

I can't speak for DRM, since Sony is just as bad (hell, even the _games_ turn on HDCP), but what makes you think MS is going to do anything to piss off the third party developers for its console? Hell, the 360 has XNA, which is a limited API to be sure, but at least it can use the GPU.

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by ironwill96 · 2007-08-01 10:46 · Score: 1

Ok assuming you bought the actual version with the hard drive (most people do), here it is on Amazon.Com in the header for ya: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Console-20GB-Hard-Drive /dp/B000B43OY4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3708007-6314047 ?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1186008321&sr=8-1 Note where it says "Includes 20 GB Hard Drive". That is THE STANDARD size hard drive in the Premium SKU (the $399 model with the hard drive). In the new black "Elite" SKU they include 120GB Hard drives.

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by kosanovich · 2007-08-01 10:52 · Score: 1

The 360 base system (also called the core system) doesn't have any harddrive. If you buy one of the others then you would have an HD with 20 or 120 gigs depending on the model.

However if you take a minute and look at the AC's post it is pretty obvious that he's not talking about harddrive space. PS2 didn't have 4 gigs of HD space, the PS3 doesn't have any 25/50 gig models. Then when you look at all the other systems listed in his post they did not come with any form of HD. It's pretty clear he's talking about optical drive storage. It looks like he's saying the PS2 had single layer DVD == 4gigs, Xbox dual layer dvd == 8gigs, PS3 blu-ray which is 25 gigs per layer, and he's saying that the 360 has a DVD that only holds 7 gigs.

I have no idea why the 360 would only be able to use 7 gigs per side of the dvd but that's what i infer from his post, and i could probably go google the answer but i really don't care at all.

Star Wars Galaxies by BKX · 2007-08-01 10:53 · Score: 1

'nuff said

It is $100 less by SuperKendall · 2007-08-01 10:55 · Score: 1

Just thought you might like to know your wishes have been answered. Well, you and whoever modded you "insightful" asking for something that has already come to pass...

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by Anonymous Coward · 2007-08-01 10:59 · Score: 3, Informative

The PS2 had a standard dual layer DVD drive that supported 4GB for single layer discs and 8GB for dual layer discs.

The Xbox had the same storage space as the PS2.

The PS3 has a BluRay drive that supports 25GB for single layer discs and 50GB for dual layer discs.

The Xbox 360 has a standard dual layer DVD drive that supports 3.5GB for single layers discs and 7GB for dual layer discs.

There is some sort of DRM/security reason that around a gigabyte of storage is used on 360 discs. The exact details have never been revealed as far as I know.

Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are by The13thSin · 2007-08-01 10:59 · Score: 1

You sir, are an idiot! (Also good mod.) Anyway, before this thread turns into a big sony bashing orgasm, cos all good news for teh PS3 obviously warrants that, I'll just mention I'm getting this if they'll keep the price not much over 100 dollars/euro for the hardware addon, and it supports HD (which I presume it will). Nice extra for my media machine I'd say. A nice 300 gig or so 3.5" Harddisk won't hurt either I suppose. Also, for added randomness and since Fox had this nice piece on Anon a short while ago I'll end with: Tits or GTFO. for the "Corrupted LOL" off course.

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Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by eln · 2007-08-01 11:03 · Score: 2, Informative

From your link, the PS3 is number one in Amazon sales (not total sales, just those made on Amazon) and the Wii is number two. Also, the PS3 is selling from Amazon direct at retail price while the Wii is only available through third parties at (at least) $75 above retail price. I would imagine these facts are all related in some way.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by flewp · 2007-08-01 11:18 · Score: 5, Insightful

Well, there's just not any games YOU like for the PS3.

I know a few people who are plenty happy with a few games for their PS3s.

For what it's worth, I'm not buying a PS3 until there's a few more must have games that interest me. I'm also hoping this will coincide with a price a drop, because while I think the PS3 is fairly priced, it's still too much for budget, given I'd probably only use it to play games. (I have no desire to run Linux, etc) If they add in DVR+TV Tuning, and keep the price the same, I might be more interested though.

I also don't really remember any games for the XBox360 coming out in it's first year that made me want to get one. In fact, there's still no games out for it that make me want to get one. Isn't it kind of the natural way of things for really great games to take a year or more to come out after a system's launch? I know there's exceptions, but on the whole, the majority of good games for the past few generations of systems seem to have, for the most part, come out well after the system has launched. (hooray for excessively long sentences)

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No it's not by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · 2007-08-01 11:18 · Score: 1

They're having a firesale of old 40gig units, lowering the price of the 60 gig units to where the 40 were, and adding an 80 gig unit where the 60 gig used to be priced. But they aren't making 40 gig units anymore.

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Re:No it's not by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · 2007-08-01 12:59 · Score: 1

The cheapest normally available unit (and the most expensive normally available unit) maintained the same price. What you get for your money increased, but absent getting one of the discontinued models, you cannot get a PS3 for less money. Hence, it is not $100 less.

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Re:Can't Wait by Dr+Kool,+PhD · 2007-08-01 11:37 · Score: 1, Insightful

Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Resistance and Motorstorm are all great games. Lately I've been playing MLB 2007 The Show and it's great too. I still love NBA 2K7 and little downloadable games like Super Rub a Dub. I think your assertion that PS3 has no games is without merit.

Microsoft's one not a DVR... by spectecjr · 2007-08-01 11:42 · Score: 3, Informative

The future of the PS3 itself seems to have changes coming too: a television tuner and DVR functionality looks to be in the offing for the console. Microsoft announced similar plans earlier this year, but there are no firm dates for either company's use of the console

Microsoft's one doesn't look like a DVR - but is instead IPTV - it remains to be seen what recording features it will have, but presumably it can work in the background over the network the way that Live downloads work now; as it's multicast, there's probably enough bandwidth for it to come in over your regular network connection without really affecting your transfer rates for other data. Sony's looks like it plans to use an over the air tuner, and even weirder, looks like it's set to be used for Freeview (there's also a NZ equivalent).

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by amuro98 · 2007-08-01 11:46 · Score: 1

Yes, yes, but there's also a "360 Core" SKU which doesn't include a HDD at all.

This was solely created as a side-effect of Microsoft thinking that the PS3 was going to originally cost about $400. This way, Microsoft could point to the stupid Core unit and truthfully say "the 360 is cheaper."

And despite the appearance of the Elite, the Core is still going to be sold for the foreseeable future.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by Mr2001 · 2007-08-01 11:50 · Score: 2, Insightful

Also interesting: there are no PS3 games in that list. There are three Wii games (4 if you count Wii Play), some DS/PS2/360/PC games, but nothing for the PS3 except the controller and remote.

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Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by Mr2001 · 2007-08-01 11:52 · Score: 1

Actually, the Xbox 360 Elite system is at #19 right now. That's on the first page (1-25).

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Nice Start by JamesRose · 2007-08-01 12:31 · Score: 1

But I'll wait till I can see clearly theres no DRM problems.
And then I'll wait for a price drop.
And then I'll wait to see if Blu-ray becomes dominant/affordable.
And then I'll wait for some really good games to come out. ...And then I'll get a PS4 ;)

Re:Nice Start by Faylone · 2007-08-01 18:29 · Score: 1

Now, the PS4 may be going to be the best console that ever has been or ever will be made ever, but you're assuming it's not going to be even worse than than the PS3 is.
Re:Nice Start by Mark+Gillespie · 2007-08-01 20:24 · Score: 1

Have fun waiting, as PS4 is due in 8-10 years time.

I think you are confusing Xbox release cycles with PS3 release cycles.

Here is a cut out and keep easy reminder.

Historic Console Lifespan:

Xbox 3-4 years
Playstation 7 - 10 years
Nintendo 5 - 6 years

Re:Can't Wait by kosanovich · 2007-08-01 12:34 · Score: 2, Insightful

This is such a stupid troll. "let me know when some decent games come out"?? Yeah let me tell you when a game that you like comes out. If you don't like any of the games on a system then that's fine, don't go out and buy one! I personally look at the releases coming for the Wii between now and the end of the year and the games that i want to play on it are Metroid (because of the hype, not that i think i'll love it all that much), Mario galaxies, and bully (have the PS2 version but want to see what they add).

At the same time when i look at the PS3 releases during the same time i want to play: Lair, warhawk, heavenly sword, stranglehold, skate, ratchet and clank, folklore, GTA IV, Army of Two, Assassins Creed, Haze, Mercenaries 2, Rock Band, and Uncharted.

Now i look at those two list and the PS3 looks a whole lot more appealing to me than the Wii... what does that mean for you? Absolutely nothing. Once again if you don't like the games then don't buy them, i promise the government isn't _yet_ to the point where they will come to your house and break your knees if you don't buy something.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by NeutronCowboy · 2007-08-01 12:50 · Score: 2, Interesting

Cute - another AC unwilling to put his name behind this. If these numbers are so accurate, then why is Halo 3 on that list - twice? Someone's really trying to do some spin himself.

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.kkrieger by sssssss27 · 2007-08-01 12:56 · Score: 1

I'm sure the guys behind .kkrieger are happy they went with BluRay...

http://212.202.219.162/kkrieger

Re:This is great but... by Doctor_Jest · 2007-08-01 13:34 · Score: 1

So, with the exception of the rumored $50 price drop (which could occur)... what are they adding over in Redmond to not lower the price of their console?

I'd rather see Microsoft fix the flaw in theirs, too. (and I agree... Sony can cheapen it over time, like the PS2... it just takes time...)

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Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by sxeraverx · 2007-08-01 13:40 · Score: 1

Annoyance? Thanks to the separate brick (well, at least partially), the PS3 doesn't overheat, unlike some other consoles without bricks that I know.

Re:blu-ray by antek9 · 2007-08-01 13:48 · Score: 1

The utter stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. Stop trolling, you don't own a PS3, and no one is forcing you to. Are we cool now?

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Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are by realmolo · 2007-08-01 13:53 · Score: 1, Insightful

It's looking better, I guess. But that's only because it couldn't look any WORSE.

There still aren't any "system seller" games for it. And it's still too expensive. The only good news, really, is some of the upcoming games that were shown at E3. Most of which aren't coming out until this fall, and most of which are also coming out for the 360.

Sony is still in a world of hurt, I think. The PS3 just doesn't have any momentum at all.

Re:Can't Wait by Khaed · 2007-08-01 13:56 · Score: 1

Considering how badly they've done everything else... don't hold your breath.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by antek9 · 2007-08-01 14:14 · Score: 1, Funny

Come again? I was talking about the 360 package if you didn't read my comment. The 360 has a separate brick, yet does overheat just like my wife sometimes does (which means, a lot). The PS3, on the other hand, doesn't sport either of the problems I mentioned: doesn't have an ugly brick, doesn't overheat (and become a brick, mind the pun). It is cool like me (compared to my wife, that is).

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Re:blu-ray by antek9 · 2007-08-01 14:22 · Score: 1

That's too bad for you then. But would you mind to elaborate why you bought a PS3 in the first place if there weren't any games within reach that might interest you? Just curious.

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Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are by cbreaker · 2007-08-01 14:42 · Score: 2, Insightful

Says.. you?

Microsoft has only sold (to retailers) about 10 million consoles. Considering Sony sold 120+ million PS2's, I'd say there's still quite a market left of people that haven't pulled the trigger on the Xbox or the PS3. Considering that the Xbox isn't exactly cheap, someone could just as easily buy a PS3 over the 360.

Just like you said, a lot of games are released for both platforms, so it's just as easy to assume someone would buy the PS3 over the 360 because it's more feature-rich out of the box.

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Re:This is great but... by cbreaker · 2007-08-01 14:51 · Score: 1

And I feel like you're spreading FUD. I'm glad they keep making the PS3 better. I was happy when it was just a game console. Now it's a media player, upscaling DVD player, and soon a DVR. How cool is that?

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Re:blu-ray by cbreaker · 2007-08-01 14:58 · Score: 2, Insightful

Why did you buy it?

I use mine all the time. It's good enough at all it does to avoid putting a PC under the TV, which I find great. Ohh, and the games I've purchased are great, too.

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by Anonymous Coward · 2007-08-01 15:11 · Score: 2, Interesting

I'm assuming you're the same person who posted about this last time, so:

Can you PLEASE provide a link that corroborates this, that isn't a two year old Digg article and isn't the Wikipedia?

Otherwise, I think you're full of it. There's no way a DRM scheme would waste that much space. I think you're confusing "dummy files" with DRM.

It's not discontinued though by SuperKendall · 2007-08-01 15:46 · Score: 1

If it were discontinued it would be lacking in function in some way. As far as playing games or movies, it is identical to the 80GB model, just with less storage.

Furthermore, what makes you think the 80GB model does not drop $100 as well when they run out of the current ones?

Obviously the price is here to stay, regardless of what people such as yourself looking for an excuse to bash Sony have to say.

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Re:blu-ray by feepness · 2007-08-01 15:52 · Score: 1

I want some games to play on this effing over-expensive monolithic black tablet taking up all the space on my desk - it's been sitting there turned off for about two months now! There are 22 games listed at ign.com reviewed at 8 or higher.

There are another 24 in the seven range.

May I suggest visiting a store where they sell games? They have them both online and at your local mall. I've heard games are also available at larger retailers.

Good luck in your search!

HDTV with PS3? by backslashdot · 2007-08-01 17:01 · Score: 1

I wonder if they will come out with an HDTV that has the PS3, DVR, internet browsing, or shopping (or games and movies) functionality built in to it.

I bet the remote for it will suck ass. Won't they build a simpler remote with one or two OLED buttons and/or a touch dial ipod style like the appletv has -- especially if the menus appear on screen? Ideally it would also feature a "touch a button and speak" voice activated remote control capability.

Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by Eivind · 2007-08-01 18:20 · Score: 2, Insightful

It's ridicolous though, isn't it ? a *20*GB HD ? And the console is *new* can you even imagine how ridicolous that will look in 3-4 years ? Can you even -get- them that small in retail if you try these days ? Sorta like how a 16MB memory-card today retails for aproximately the same price as a 2GB usb-memory (a factor of 128 bigger !)

Yeah, I know they're laptop-drives, which gives miniscule bang-for-buck compared to 3.5" ones, but still.... 120GB is about standard for a new laptop these days, certainly not "ultra elite premium"

For a PVR, with HD, especially one costing $700 or something I'd want a 500GB-drive or similar. Or failing that, at a minimum, the opportunity of hooking up same by way of NAS or USB and have that utilised.

Re:blu-ray by Slothy · 2007-08-01 18:29 · Score: 3, Informative

I'm not a PS3 hater, I just wanted to see the games that are 8+. I went to IGN and I saw these:
(here's the URL: http://ps3.ign.com/index/reviews.html?constraint.n ot_null.article.overall_rating=is_true&ordering.or der=desc&ordering.attribute=article.review_date&co nstraint.max_rows=40&constraint.locale=us&sort.att ribute=article.overall_rating&sort.order=desc)

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Action 9.3 Jun 29, 2007
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The RPG 9.2 Mar 26, 2007
MotorStorm [AU] Racing 8.9 Mar 22, 2007
Ninja Gaiden Sigma [AU] Action 8.8 Jul 4, 2007
Super Stardust HD Shooter 8.7 Jul 2, 2007
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Shooter 8.7 Jun 27, 2007
Super Stardust HD [UK] Shooter 8.5 Jun 21, 2007
Super Stardust HD [AU] Shooter 8.5 Jun 20, 2007
Calling All Cars! Action 8.5 Apr 25, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [AU] Shooter 8.4 Mar 27, 2007
F.E.A.R. Shooter 8.1 Apr 20, 2007
Bigs, The Sports 8.0 Jun 26, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [UK] Shooter 8.0 Mar 22, 2007

There are only 13 lines there, and there are multiple lines for one game. So if you eliminate the multiple listings, you get:

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Action 9.3 Jun 29, 2007
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The RPG 9.2 Mar 26, 2007
MotorStorm [AU] Racing 8.9 Mar 22, 2007
Super Stardust HD Shooter 8.7 Jul 2, 2007
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Shooter 8.7 Jun 27, 2007
Calling All Cars! Action 8.5 Apr 25, 2007
Resistance: Fall of Man [AU] Shooter 8.4 Mar 27, 2007
F.E.A.R. Shooter 8.1 Apr 20, 2007
Bigs, The Sports 8.0 Jun 26, 2007

So down to 9. Which is actually cool, 9 good games on a platform in the first year is a great thing. I'm just wondering about the 22 thing. Is this URL wrong, or lacking games that you found elsewhere?

Re:blu-ray by feepness · 2007-08-01 19:19 · Score: 1

My method was to go to IGN and count the 8s and 9s in their review section. I did notice there were many duplicates for AU and UK and tried to skip them but honestly I wasn't very careful and I have had [hic] a beer or two.

Here for the 8-9 for example.

Being more careful this time I get 16 at 8-9 and 3 at 9+. So 19, not 22. Whoops. But still, anybody who says "my PS3 collects dust because there are no good games" has their head firmly up their ass.

Re:blu-ray by LoveMe2Times · 2007-08-01 21:01 · Score: 1

But still, anybody who says "my PS3 collects dust because there are no good games" has their head firmly up their ass.

You are neglecting an important point: this is slashdot. I'm not trying to say that dotters are capricious but that our tastes are, on average, not aligned with mainstream. Based on your own reference, it would be very reasonable to expect a significant number of slashdotters to think that the PS3 has no good games. There are several reasons a dotter might feel this way:

In the context of this discussion, people are talking about full retail games. StarDust and Calling All Cars don't count.
Slashdotters, on average, do not overlap with the fratboy crowd and don't share their tastes. In particular, despite significant popular appeal, sports titles are often derided around here. Any sports title therefore doesn't count, and lops off about half the the games from contention.
On average, slashdotters who have PS3s have capable gaming PCs too. For them, anything their PC can do better doesn't count. This includes all FPSs and games that have direct PC ports, in particular from this list Oblivion.
As avid gamers in general, rehashes or re-releases of games from previous generation consoles don't count. Therefore Ninja Gaiden doesn't count.

That's trimmed the list from 19 to 4 games that you might expect the average slashdotter to care about on the PS3:

Need for Speed
MotorStorm
Virtua Fighter
Tekken

See the problem here? Two racing games and two fighters, both close cousins of the sports genre popular amongst the fratboy crowd. While these genres might be considered "worth playing," they will probably struggle to be considered "good games" and almost certainly wouldn't be AAA or system sellers amongst this crowd.

So sure, the mainstream crowd might find some good games, it's not in the least bit surprising to me if slashdotters see nothing but crap.

Re:blu-ray by iainl · 2007-08-01 21:42 · Score: 1

By the way, Tekken is a download game, not a retail one. Not that I think there's anything wrong with that, by the way; as a 360 owner I seem to spend as much time on Carcassonne and Geometry Wars as I do on Forza 2 and Crackdown.

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Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · 2007-08-02 00:08 · Score: 1

I find it far more interesting that the Wii is 2nd in an hourly chart despite being out of stock

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by Stevecrox · 2007-08-02 01:32 · Score: 1

Did you not read the list? Halo 3 is listed 5th on the list, Halo 3 LIMITED EDITION is at 26th. Its becoming common practice for many publishers to release two versions of the boxes for example Myst V and Myst V collecter edition (the latter came with the soundtrack and the next myst book extract) Black & White 2 and Black & White 2 Limited edition (the latter having a making of DVD.) Most of the time these "limited editions" are brought out during release and generally cost exactly the same although the Halo Limited Edition pack is $10 more expesnive than the standard one. The Amazon database is going to see them as two different items so you will have two different listings. Not all places do this Woolworths in the UK group the two on the shelves but the system see's them as two different items, Virgin Megastore in the UK places them in the chart according to sales I remember seeing Myst V Collectors Edition on the top shelf and Myst V on the fourth shelf when it was released.

Nice uniformed point some may suggest your trying to add some spin.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by British · 2007-08-02 01:33 · Score: 2, Funny

When there's not that many games for the PS3, it stands less of a chance of overheating due to less frequent use. It's not a design flaw, it's a feature!

Consequently I run into less problems with Linux than Windows since I only use it as a file & print server! :)

Re:blu-ray by MikeBabcock · 2007-08-02 01:50 · Score: 1

I just want to know who all these overpaid people are that think they're going to play more games a year than this. At $70 each with no price drop yet, I own Oblivion, Resistance and Motorstorm and that's it for my budget till closer to Christmas. Then it'll be a toss-up for Ratchet or Lair or something.

There aren't hundreds or thousands of good games for the PS3, but there are quite a few and considering it hasn't been out a year yet, that's pretty impressive. Does anyone remember what the original games for the PS2 were like? Now compare with God of War 2 and think about that a minute.

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Re:This is great but... by Kelbear · 2007-08-02 02:56 · Score: 1

Word I'm hearing is:

Well, the good news is that they've started to fix the flaw. They're adding another heatsink and a heatpipe to consoles that are returned for RROD repairs.

The bad news is that the turnaround time on repairs has also increased to 6-8 /weeks/!

New Xbox360 elites from manufacture batches after 7/23 have the 65nm chip and the quieter Benq drives.

However, there are a lot of Xbox360 premiums, so they are going to be clearing all the older ones out into the retail channel before 65nm premium bundles start to show up in stores. I don't know if those will also have the quieter Benq drives. And I'm guessing all those still in the retail channel are still the flawed 90nm ones so people buying those will end up running in the RROD and have to go through the warranty process down the line.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by LKM · 2007-08-02 03:01 · Score: 1

It regularly claims number 1 (and when it does, a bunch of Wii peripherals often occupy the next few slots) as soon as new stock becomes available. The new stock then sells out within ours, and the Wii falls to second place again, and the peripherals disappear from the top of the list.

If only Nintendo could get production capacity up. They could sell three times as many as they currently do.

Re:blu-ray by ucblockhead · 2007-08-02 03:22 · Score: 1

Shit, I've been playing just Oblivion since April and still haven't finished the damn thing.

It does end, right?

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Re:PS2/Xbox 4/8 Gigs, PS3 25/50 Gigs, 360...7 Gigs by Floritard · 2007-08-02 05:19 · Score: 1

I also don't really remember any games for the XBox360 coming out in it's first year that made me want to get one. In fact, there's still no games out for it that make me want to get one. Thank you. I'm not trying to bash 360 in favor of PS3 (I own neither yet), but it really bugs me that people keep pretending the 360 has this mega library of great software. Hell they don't even have Halo, the only real reason to have owned an original XBox (besides Ninja Gaiden for those of us who could put up with the evil difficulty of it). The only company that has ever consistently released great software at launch is Nintendo, and no I don't have a Wii either. You can't argue with SMB, SMW, PilotWings, Mario64, WaveRace64, Rogue Squadron 2 (maybe a stretch here for the poor GC), WiiSports, etc. Sega didn't slouch on launches either, it's these messy newcomers that want so much to make all that video game money but still don't really have an identity. Thanks but no thanks guys. You just make me wait the 1-2 years until third parties make your systems worthwhile to purchase. See you when you're relevant.

Re:blu-ray by king-manic · 2007-08-02 05:23 · Score: 1

That's trimmed the list from 19 to 4 games that you might expect the average slashdotter to care about on the PS3:

If you play that game, you could really say that the 360 has about 4 good games as it's mostly sports, FPS, multi-platform releases, games that are better when ported to PC, and re-releases of PS2 games.

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Re:blu-ray by TheBlackSwordsman · 2007-08-02 05:25 · Score: 1

I have to point out that half of these games are ports or remakes of older games.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma - remake of an Xbox game
Rainbox Six: Vegas - also released for PC and Xbox 360 (scored a 9.3 on 360 vs an 8.7 on PS3)
F.E.A.R. - also released for PC and Xbox 360 (scored a 9.1 on 360 vs an 8.1 on PS3)
Oblivion - also released for PC and Xbox 360
The Bigs - also released for Xbox 360 (scored an 8.3 vs an 8.0 on PS3)

Right now "games" just doesn't seem like a great reason to buy a PS3. You can find most PS3 games on Xbox 360, and in many cases they score higher in reviews, for various reasons (often because the Xbox 360 games look better). Of course this is going to change with the release of FFXIII, MGS4 and other exclusive games, but right now I'm not grasping the appeal of the PS3.

Re:You'd Be Pissed Off Too... by NeutronCowboy · 2007-08-02 06:26 · Score: 1

I guess I missed the part where Halo 3 has been released. Could you please point me to the nearest retailer that is selling Halo 3? Oh? What's that? It hasn't been released yet? Weird. I'm sure it has no impact though on how PS3 numbers are tabulated.

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Re:Pee-Are, it's all Pee-Are by MeanderingMind · 2007-08-02 06:46 · Score: 1

Technically, neither the 360 or the PS3 are doing well if you factor in that the Wii is outselling either one by a ratio of 3 to 1.

Hence, were we to assume (erroneously) that each PS2 bought had a unique owner, would only buy one console and that the entire market was PS2s, the end result this generation would be (given the current trends) 68.2 Wiis, 29.4 360s and 23.4 PS3s.

Of course in reality trends change, people buy new consoles to replace old ones, the market isn't zero sum or static, and the world could always end first.

That said, until the Wii slows, stops or is overtaken the price difference between the 360 and the PS3 is largely a sideshow. Unless either company does something to catch or stop Nintendo they're conceding the Risk board while squabbling over Asia.