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NFL, MLB Accused of Bogus Copyright Claims
P Crewe writes "A complaint filed by the Computer & Communications Industry Association accuses the NFL, MLB, and a number of studios of deceptive trade practices, saying that their far-reaching copyright claims systematically misrepresent the rights of consumers to use copyrighted material. 'According to the complaint, such warnings "materially misrepresent" US law. Fair use is given short shrift, and as a result, consumers are left with the impression that any use that the rights-holders do not expressly approve is illegal. "Consumers have the right to use the content in legal, non-infringing ways," CCIA spokesperson Jake Ward told Ars Technica. "Putting these warnings on broadcasts, videotapes, and DVDs is both misleading and threatening."'"
Disney teaches Copyright
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The write-up forgot to mention, who the complaint was filed with. It is with the FTC.
I don't think, it is illegal to mislead (other than in advertising) or even to threaten (other than with violence). Would be nice, if FTC stops it somehow, of course, just to keep things cleaner...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
MLB even tries to tell you that descriptions of the game are under their copyright, the lying needs to stop.
I loved the episode where agents of ABC stormed the house and shot up the VCR when Peter tried to record an NFL game.
An I.T. motto in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing...
Government and businesses love to stretch their rights and power unless called on it. If they get away with expanded rights/powers long enough they tend to become real or legitimate.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." - Shepard Book Quoting Malcolm Reynolds
In Mother Russia, monster truck show watches YOU.
These guys are complaining to an agency of the United States government! Do they expect their complaint to receive any kind of responsible hearing? This is the United States, for heaven's sake, we don't have intelligent, fair representation any more; the NFL will just grease a palm here and there, and get whatever they want. Sheesh, why get all fussed and bothered?
It has always seemed to me that the root of such behavior is that they are allowed to continue to operate as monopolies.
Because there is no competition to professional football it allows the NFL to become bullies and make outrageous demands. Not just with TM and copy write, but with players/coaches contracts, advertisers/sponsors, broadcast providers, etc. I just don't get is how they can continue not getting thumped for anti-competitive practices. Hell, it constantly amazes me one of the extremely rich players who gets suspended doesn't ever raise a stink about it...After all, it's not like he can get a job playing for someone else.
(MLB is a congressionally protected monopoly, at least from my understanding.)
enough said.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
Hooray!! for the home (user) team.
It drives me insane (and my wife, because she has to deal with me yelling at the screen) every time I see one of those DVD anti-piracy ads, the ones that go "You wouldn't steal a car... blah blah blah.... buying pirated movies is STEALING. STEALING is against the LAW."
Those ads are factually incorrect and misleading. Buying pirated movies may be copyright infringement, but thats quite doubtful since the purchaser is not responsible for proving that the CD/DVD is authentic and the doctrine of first sale still applies to DVDs/CDs. The infringer, in that case, would be the person knowingly selling pirated materials, not (necessarily) the person buying them.
Even if it was copyright infringement, that is wildly different than STEALING, since no one is being deprived of a physical possession, which is why they are separate areas of law and until recently copyright infringement was mostly considered a civil issue, except for extreme cases.
I get infuriated at the blatant and deliberate misrepresentation of fact in those ads. They are untrue and intimidating, and I would love if a lawyer here would tell me if a lawsuit would have any grounds to get them stopped. I dontate to the EFF, maybe they would take up the case.
Does anyone know if a case like this would have any teeth?
-Clay
Drinking habits can be dangerous. You can choke on the cloth and the nuns will wonder where their clothes are.
See that ship over there? They're re-broadcasting Major League Baseball with implied oral consent, not express written consent--or so the legend goes. -Homer Simpson
There's an online petition. They won't take action unless you tell them to. At least we Slashdotters can turn *yet another* server into a heap of molten slag.
http://www.defendfairuse.org/take_action.html
Major league baseball is a protected monopoly. At least in that it is protected from anti-trust suits. Link here.
I can find no information on the NFL and I am suspicious of that one because of the XFL, USFL, etc. There have been football leagues in competition with the NFL. Not so for baseball, unless you count the negro leagues.
By default, once I see inaccuracies or crap in those copyright warnings I disregard all of it. As a Canadian, the FBI is as important to me as the RCMP is to Americans. If the copyright warning specifically mentions Canada (and not as an after thought) then I will pay attention.
The American media should be more than aware of the fables like Chicken Little, and Crying Wolf.
The NFL received an "anti-trust" exemption from congress (in the 60s) exchange for (among other things) guaranteeing access to all games by all Americans. This all worked out fine until DirecTV's Sunday Ticket came along. Since the deal is exclusive to DirecTV, if you can't get DirecTV (which is a lot of people, anyone near trees, hills, buildings, idiot neighbors) you are pretty much screwed.
They say that all accounts and descriptions are under their copyright and they say so at the start of every ballgame.
So, going only by what they say (and ignoring the law completely), telling my friend that the baseball game was lost 3-1 would be a violation. They also tend to claim rights on things like stats, which should rightfully be considered facts not subject to copyright in my non-lawyerly opinion.
behind all those criminal alegations, are real criminals waiting to be unhidden
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Someone needs to bring down that MLB satellite once and for all!
It is the 21st century and the time for Klax has passed.
"Here Here!"
Don't you mean "Hear, hear!"?
As in "Listen, listen!" implying "Pay close attention to the preceding statement, it made a good point."?
(Homonyms are a bitch to spell when nobody ever explains which word was meant.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I guess...
"or even to threaten (other than with violence)."
But couldn't the threat of being sued for more than you are likely to make in your lifetime a form of "financial violence". Yes the term sounds like a stretch, but when you consider the potential for life altering harm and combine it with the outcome of suit being more influenced by who can afford what lawyers over who is right, well it resembles violence in every way in which violence is used to threaten and subdue. Perhaps it should be illegal for corperations to threaten legal action when no law has been broken.
We are all just people.
I am making backup/viewing copies of my purchased DVDs, many of which were used when I bought them.
I use Mactheripper to rip and strip the DVDs, and then use Roxio's Toast Titanium 8 disc burning utility to then burn the ripped and stripped DVD files to blank DVDs.
And I ALWAYS remove the FBI/Interpol warnings!
Why? Because I can.
What are you going to do about it, bitch?
(Posting as A.C., because I'm not THAT stupid!)
"Your not allowed to reproduce, retransmite, or reuse the pictures, descriptions or accounts of this telecast without the express written consent of XYZ. Any commerical or other use such as by charging an admission for a showing is likewise prohibited."
So why is their a problem now! It has been going on for a very long time! I can see maybe with the warning on the CD's that you see now but movies have had it for a long time as well. Remember the copyright notice that many of us fast forwarded thru to see the movie on VHS tapes.
A site cowboyneal will like http://www.freewebs.com/atpa/
Ars must be submitting stories like mad to get this many stories in a couple of weeks. Guess they need more ad revenue. At least this isn't quite as much a re-canned press release.
When you have to call the Super Bowl "The Big Game" due to the NFL, I think thats poof enough.
Why don't you return the dvd for full refund if you find it loaded with tons of unskippable crap?
Xmas episode, Youtube [youtube.com]; Planet Family Guy [planet-familyguy.com]
And for some reason while searching for those, i kept hearing the guy in the cheese commercial in my mind... "Behold... the power of Google..."
An I.T. motto in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing...
MLB can copyright everything that it wants. The baseball season is always irrelevant to me by mid-May.
I guess this would be a good instance of copyfraud... where people are marking as copyrighted things that aren't.
I'm actually more interested in the psychological ramifications of constantly villainizing your consumers. If you have consumers, who out of the goodness of their heart, are trying to do the right thing in actually plunking down money for your content, you want them to feel good about it. Instead, every DVD, broadcast, etc., these days starts with a pumped-up anti-fair use lecture.
The worst part about these lectures is that the end user might think whatever it is they're doing is acceptable. And in a lot of cases, as the point has been made, they are. (Fair use.) But now you've just taken a consumer who thought they were doing right by you and told them they're doing wrong.
So now the consumer's asking themselves.. I'm apparently already doing something illegal. If they're going to throw the book at me anyways, why should I bother paying for it in the first place?