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Introducing the Slashdot Firehose

Logged in users have noticed for some time the request to drink from the Slashdot Firehose. Well now we're ready to start having everybody test it out. It's partially a collaborative news system, partially a redesigned & dynamic next-generation Slashdot index. It's got a lot of really cool features, and a lot of equally annoying new problems for us to find and fix for the next few weeks. I've attached a rough draft of the FAQ to the end of this article. A quick read of it will probably answer most questions from how it works, what all the color codes mean, to what we intend to do with it. What is the Slashdot Firehose?

The Slashdot Firehose is a way for you to participate in the Slashdot editorial process. You are able to see all the content submitted to Slashdot: from RSS Feeds and user submissions, to journal entries and successful completed Slashdot stories.

You can participate by voting on these entries: click the minus icon if you don't think the story is great for Slashdot, and click the plus if you do. Better yet, when you make these choices you can help further refine your decision by clarifying why you made the choice you did. You can tell us if a story was binspam, or a dupe, or insightful. If you don't like the options provided in the pop-up windows, you can always open the tagging box and provide whatever tags you think will help Slashdot Editors, and other Slashdot Readers make informed decisions about the content they are reading.

Why does the Firehose have articles in it?

The Firehose has all data on Slashdot. RSS Feeds. Journal Entries. Story Submissions. And of course, accepted Slashdot Stories. The idea is that this view of Slashdot can provide you a single place to view all Slashdot content in one interface.

If you don't like any particular data type, you can filter it out. If you don't like journals, you can just filter on -journal and they are gone. If you don't want Slashdot stories, -story will get you there.

You will note a variety of interesting options that allow you to control how this page is displayed. For example, if you filter on 'story' and set 'expand top rated' you will see a page that is very similar to Slashdot's main page today... except that it dynamically updates and allows voting and in-place expansion of sectional content. Alternatively, filtering to -story and toggling 'abbreviated mode' will let you see a real-time stream of reader contributions. It's really up to you

What do the colors mean?

The spectrum of colors represents an overall quality rating for content. Red is the most popular, the highest rated, and hopefully the best content on Slashdot. There is relatively little Red content, although most stories we post default to red. Some stories show up as orange. As you work down the spectrum you will find more content. Default submissions to the Firehose start at blue. At indigo you will find a number of RSS feeds and journal entries. At violet you are probably wasting your time, and at black you definitely are!

Play with the color slider to find the level you enjoy reading most at. Use Red or Orange for busy days or if you are a casual reader. The lower you pull the slider, the more content you will see.

How does the calendar widget work?

The Firehose is usable in 3 "Modes". In "latest content" mode you are looking at the last few days of Slashdot content. Display is optimized for you to easily navigate within this small bit of time. In 'Day Of' mode you will see content only from (surprise) any day you specify in the calender. Finally in 'Search Archive' mode you will search the entire database. For now, this goes back only perhaps 6 months but eventually we think this can replace our existing search infrastructure.

What can I do with the Firehose Tabs?

We've found that we like to use the firehose in a number of different ways. Sometimes I want a casual view of Slashdot, and other times i want to see more stories. Sometimes I want to see only the stories I've tagged. Other times I just want to see Journals. Well, shockingly enough, each tab will remember your settings and allow you to quickly return to them later.

If you change your settings, you do so in an 'Untitled' tab. If you click on your tab, you can name it which will save it for later. Also, you can subscribe to an RSS feed for any particular tab if that's your cup of tea. Please keep in mind that we have a robots.txt file that restricts the rate that you refresh pages. I'd suggest a 30 minute minimum.

What browsers are supported?

Currently we work great under Firefox 1.5 and 2.0, as well as Safari. IE7 is functional but has glitches that we are working to fix. The iPhone functions as well with a number of optimizations for small screens (although the bandwidth requirements are still fairly steep so you are probably better off on a WiFi connection for now)

IE6 is known to be broken. Other browsers might work, but we haven't really tested them.

Why didn't you post a submission that made it to red?

Slashdot is a complex beast with readers with a wide variety of interests. Part of the job of Slashdot Editor is to create a website that is interesting to all of us. That means that sometimes our opinions may differ from yours. We use the voting in the Firehose as an indicator of value, but not as the definitive measure of if something is a Slashdot story.

If you don't like that, you can simply remove our Slashdot stories by putting -story in your filter. The firehose you read will be then be completely reader driven. We believe that the way we've built this system can appeal to the wide variety of Slashdot readers without compromising the story quality for our core audience.

Doesn't this make you just like

Well first of all, we're happy to use good ideas when we see them. Countless websites have knocked off our cool ideas, just like we joyously took ideas from those that came before us. But ultimately the idea here is not to imitate any other social network news site. We feel that the editorial layer that exists on top of Slashdot is important. But we also think that having many eyeballs will help us more efficiently sort through the ever increasing volume of content on this here internet of ours. That's why we'll aim to strike a balance. Slashdot stories will continue to be posted by our editors. We will use the advice given to us by our readers. Sometimes we will agree, and other times we won't. You are welcome to read more or less editor content depending on your tastes.

At the end of the day, striking a balance between the wisdom of crowds and the tyranny of mobs is a difficult one. It's also a personal one: some people might regard it as having a moral component. Others may just want to read a bunch of good stories no matter what the methodology. We're hoping that we can strike a balance that will work for everyone. Your feedback can only improve the system for everyone.

320 comments

  1. The "firehose" reference... by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case anyone misses the reference, the invitation to "drink from the firehose" is referring to UHF, the 1989 movie by "Weird Al" Yankovic, in which Stanley Spadowski (played by a pre-Seinfeld Michael Richards) treats a kid who wins a game on his Captain Kangaroo-type show to drink from the firehose. The kid opens his mouth wide to the hose's nozzle, Stanly pulls the lever back, and the kid is promptly blown several feet off his seat.

    Really funny stuff, including lots of television and movie genre parodies. If you like Weird Al's music and haven't seen the movie, I highly recommend you check it out. It's gained a cult following (obviously, with obscure references on Slashdot and all...) after having a disappointing theatrical release.

    (But to be fair, that summer was particularly strong, with the release of Batman, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Lethal Weapon 2, Back to the Future Part II, Ghostbusters II, The Little Mermaid... Any other year, and it probably would have been a moderate success. As you can tell, I wish Al would make another.)

    1. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. All this time I thought it meant a really different type of hose. Glad I'm wrong on this one.

    2. Re:The "firehose" reference... by skrogg · · Score: 1

      Also check out "the compleat al" Great parody of the "compleat beatles" movie. It's a good watch even if you havent seen the beatles version.

    3. Re:The "firehose" reference... by jollyreaper · · Score: 2

      In case anyone misses the reference, the invitation to "drink from the firehose" is referring to UHF, the 1989 movie by "Weird Al" Yankovic, in which Stanley Spadowski (played by a pre-Seinfeld Michael Richards) treats a kid who wins a game on his Captain Kangaroo-type show to drink from the firehose. The kid opens his mouth wide to the hose's nozzle, Stanly pulls the lever back, and the kid is promptly blown several feet off his seat. Yes, but nowadays he just turns the firehose on black protesters.
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    4. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1
      Yeah, that was a fun movie. Interestingly enough, it did seem to rail against unfeeling corporatism.

      Favorite scene was the "Al as John Rambo" one though, with Al in the helicopter screaming and landmarks exploding. Well, that and "THERE IS NOTHING IN ZE BOX!" For those of you who haven't seen UHF, I do recommend it--especially if you like quotable movies.

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    5. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Stanistani · · Score: 1, Funny

      First thing I thought of:
      "This creepy older guy keeps offering me a 'drink from his firehose.'
      "Can you show me on this doll where he touched you?"

    6. Re:The "firehose" reference... by QuantumPion · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm curious as to why they didn't just call it slashdigg.

    7. Re:The "firehose" reference... by nick.ian.k · · Score: 1

      Stanley Spadowski (played by a pre-Seinfeld Michael Richards) treats a kid who wins a game on his Captain Kangaroo-type show to drink from the firehose. The kid opens his mouth wide to the hose's nozzle, Stanly pulls the lever back, and the kid is promptly blown several feet off his seat.

      Yeah, but the truly hilarious part wasn't the kid getting blown off the chair, it was the fact that the victory condition for the game he won was "[finding] the marble in the oatmeal", and his opponents seemed to be two grown adults.

      Okay, hilarious or disturbing. But significantly crazier, either way.

    8. Re:The "firehose" reference... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Top Ten reasons why thy didn't call it slashdig Beuitiful [Pic]
      Comments:
      Bob: +120 Digs
      It is beacuse of all the problems with the bush administration... He sucks...

      Max: burried -12 digs [view comment]

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    9. Re:The "firehose" reference... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Really funny stuff, including lots of television and movie genre parodies. If you like Weird Al's music and haven't seen the movie, I highly recommend you check it out. It's gained a cult following (obviously, with obscure references on Slashdot and all...) after having a disappointing theatrical release.
       
      (But to be fair, that summer was particularly strong, with the release of Batman, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Lethal Weapon 2, Back to the Future Part II, Ghostbusters II, The Little Mermaid... Any other year, and it probably would have been a moderate success. As you can tell, I wish Al would make another.)

      No, it flopped in the theatres because it sucked. The writing was uneven, the direction poor, the cinematography a horrid mess, the sets cheap... In short, it looked like what it was: A quick and dirty low budget attempt to exploit a hot property/franchise.
    10. Re:The "firehose" reference... by everphilski · · Score: 4, Funny

      badgers? We don't need no steenkin badgers!

    11. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Badger... Badger... Badger... Mushroom!

    12. Re:The "firehose" reference... by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case anyone misses the reference, the invitation to "drink from the firehose" is referring to UHF, the 1989 movie by "Weird Al" Yankovic, in which Stanley Spadowski (played by a pre-Seinfeld Michael Richards) treats a kid who wins a game on his Captain Kangaroo-type show to drink from the firehose. The kid opens his mouth wide to the hose's nozzle, Stanly pulls the lever back, and the kid is promptly blown several feet off his seat. Yes, but nowadays he just turns the firehose on black protesters. Ok, let me explain this for the mod who doesn't get the reference. Michael Richards doesn't like black people. Segregationists who didn't like black people in the 60's used firehoses to break up the civil rights protests. -1 Troll? Michael Richards doesn't read Slashdot. If I was making fun of Wesley Crusher, THAT would be trolling.
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    13. Re:The "firehose" reference... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      And don't forget the sight gags! From Al putting a dog in the punch bowl without a second thought to Noodles the dwarven cameraman, from the blind guy solving a Rubik's cube to pretty much all of Michael Richards' antics, you'd laugh almost as hard even with the sound off.

      But don't turn the sound off.

      One of my favorite parts has to be Raul's Wild Kingdom: "Check out my ant farm! Ants are amazing creatures who can carry up to 50 times their own weight! They spend weeks building these intricate little tunnels...and oh yeah! They HATE it when you do this!"

      *shake* *shake* *shake* *shake* *shake* *shake*

      "Oh look! They're reeeally mad now!"

    14. Re:The "firehose" reference... by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      And what franchise was that, pray tell? UHF channel 61?

    15. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BREAKING: Ron Paul hACKs iPhone to run UBUNTU forcing CHENEY to be impeached FTMFW!11! Best Apple Hack EV4R!!!!!

            subject says it all.

    16. Re:The "firehose" reference... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I don't think Wil Wheaton cares about people making fun of Wesley Crusher anymore anyways.

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    17. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Peet42 · · Score: 1

      "The turtle - nature's suction cup."

      * Lick *

      * Throw *

      * Plop *

    18. Re:The "firehose" reference... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I suppose you've never heard of the lead actor in the film? Or maybe you are just an idiot.

    19. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      For those who've not seen UHF, here's the clip in question courtesy of YouTube.
      Firehose

    20. Re:The "firehose" reference... by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think Wil Wheaton cares about people making fun of Wesley Crusher anymore anyways. This is true. And besides, have you read his TV Guide reviews of TNG? Holy shit, nobody can touch how hard he rips on Wesley.

      Any doubt that Wesley is a complete weenie is removed when we learn that he uses this device to have Captain Picard say things like, "Welcome to the bridge, Wesley," instead of having Counselor Troi say things like, "Smack my ass, Wesley, I'm a naughty, naughty bitch." Classic. I want Paramount to defenestrate Rick Berman and put Wheaton in charge of the next Trek. Embrace comedy.

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    21. Re:The "firehose" reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird Al Yankovic is a franchise?

    22. Re:The "firehose" reference... by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      What a coincidence, I'm watching this for the first time right now..

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  2. Congradulations you get to drink for the Firehose. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    UHF was a great movie.

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  3. Huzzah! by pegr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We can now pitch the editors!

    1. Re:Huzzah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can now pitch the editors!

      Correct, Taco is a "catcher". Also, while he may invite you to take a drink from his "firehose", it is more of a straw or one of those coffee swiring devices. Give him credit though, he does realize that his talent is in the catching arena and that pitching is not his strong point.

    2. Re:Huzzah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, my heavens no! Who are we going to blame for the typos and dupes if we don't have editors?? We'll have no one to blame but ourselves :-(

  4. Story submission now based on subject quality? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The firehose view just lists the story subjects and allows the user to click +/- from there. Yes, you can view the entire story, but I think most people are just going to vote based on the subject alone. Is this good or bad?

    1. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lobStar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Risk is that people vote based on whether they like the subject or not, not based on how important it is. I.e: "FSF gets donation" - gets plus because people like it "Microsoft sues 10 major Linux vendors" - very important but gets minus because minus is associated with bad things

    2. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a good match to the /. reader's perspective.

    3. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by gfilion · · Score: 1

      The firehose view just lists the story subjects and allows the user to click +/- from there. Yes, you can view the entire story, but I think most people are just going to vote based on the subject alone. Is this good or bad?

      If you click on the subject, you get to read the whole article.

    4. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...I think most people are just going to vote based on the subject alone. Is this good or bad? I think it's wonderful. In the few times I've used the firehose, I immediately canceled stories that had sensationalist or uninformative headlines ( "Amazing New Findings!" ). For the headlines that were pithy, informative, and intriguing, I went to the article ( yes, I actually navigated to the internet article ) and decided whether the story was worthwhile, appropriate for slashdot, and accurately summarized in the subject, and voted accordingly.
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    5. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Firehouse has been active for months now - have you noticed any good or bad effect?

      People might pay more attention to their subject line and try to do a better job of selling the story. Or they could post leading and inflammatory headlines to get extra attention...that's kind of staple around here anyways...

    6. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to be a conscientious and thoughtful person who is interested in quality articles that will spur interesting discussions. Once you and the 5 other people on Slashdot who are like that do your thing though, what about the thousands of other Slashdot readers?

      There is plenty of evidence to suggest that not even the paid editors of Slashdot put that much time or thought into deciding whether a submission is good or not, how do you expect the average Slashdot reader to do so?

      The Firehose is an easy way for the editors to reduce the number of story submissions they have to look through in order to find the good stuff. It will not reliably bring the best stories to the top, but it should be pretty effective at burying the most obvious garbage. Basically, it's like a spam filter for the editors, and is essentially doing part of their job for them.

    7. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Informative
      We've seen a marked increase in spammers flooding us with garbage. hopefully the additional eyeballs will help in squashing that stuff faster. As with anything like this, it has mixed results, but I think overall the effect is good. People like feedback and participating... we've had a few dozen active taggers in the hose and their help is noticable. It's really more about scalling the system cleanly to handling as many readers as choose to participate.

      My hope is that the net result will be that we can 'cast a wider net' by importing RSS feeds and such from commonly cool sites. If you throw your slider down to indigo, you will see CNet, Bruce Schneir's blog, Penny Arcade etc. Things that we generally like to see. The hope is that with more participants we can add more RSS feeds and eventually be quicker at finding the good stuff.

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    8. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      If you click on "Parent", you can view my original post, and see that I already discussed that, and said that people will probably just based solely on the subject text.

    9. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      "People might pay more attention to their subject line and try to do a better job of selling the story. Or they could post leading and inflammatory headlines to get extra attention...that's kind of staple around here anyways..."

      So what happens when someone posts a story with the subject "CURE FOR CANCER DISCOVERED!!!!" and the body is just a big ol' link to goatse. It gets modded + to the extreme, and some unknowing editor comes along and approves it without thinking...

      You're right, that is about on par for /. already...

    10. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by gfilion · · Score: 1

      I guess you must be used to the sound of jets going over your head...

      I could swear I just clicked the preview button, then thought: "damn, he said that in his message" so I pressed the back button. Somehow, I must have pressed submit... :-(

    11. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      My experience has been that if it is interesting I will click to read it first. The subject lines are kind of short and you want to make sure what they are talking about. If the subject line is interesting, you want to go ahead and read it instead of hoping it will show up on the main page someday.

      I think it is more likely someone writing a poor subject line and getting clicked down automatically instead of being giving the benefit of the doubt.

    12. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by PMBjornerud · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why the hell can't we have (Score: -5, Dupe) in the firehose? (Score: -3, Slashvertisement) or (Score: 4, solid analysis) or somthing like that would also be great.

      As it, I think the majority votes after skimming the summary. What we need, is a way for people that actually read the article to get the word out. Tags are nice, but not enough. What the firehose needs, is a way for some people to read the article and rate the story according to various criteria.

      - Good articly or a stinking pile of self-promoting crap?
      - Unbiased or paid for?
      - Good summary or in need of a rewrite?
      - Enough relevant links (maybe we can add a few more?)
      - Dupe or new article?

      There are many articles that seem interesting from the summary, or from a quick skim. While closer reading reveals that the text is horribly bad.

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    13. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      Are stories ever rejected under this system? I have some light blue and green stories that have just been sitting there in the firehose for a month now, "Pending"...

    14. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Informative
      This is actually one of the problems that we've discussed extensively and not come up with a good answer for yet. The problem is that stories fall into many categories... some are time-critical and others are timeless... things like "I want a new laptop is Dell good" or "Here's a guy who tatood the BSD on his arm". Stuff like that never really needs to be 'rejected' since it could theoretically be a good story tomorrow. Or next wednesday. But other stories are very time sensitive and 24 hours later are a waste of time (Shuttle Launches etc). It's hard coming up with a clean solution to all of this.

      I still don't have a good answer. I think the plan is that we internally have a 'put on hold' bit... and any story that isn't posted in a week or so will be 'rejected' unless it has the 'hold' bit. So hopefully most stuff that might get picked up later will have that bit set. Maybe we should have another state for submissions between 'pending' and 'rejected' because there really is something to be said for the whole 'maybe later' story.

      Of course, firehose readers will be able to enjoy that content in real time, so it will matter less to them.

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    15. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Each of those could easily be a tag. Users can assign whatever tags they choose... we just provided a short cut list to a few simple ones to get you started. 'biased' 'badsummary' 'boring' 'dupe' 'selfpromotion'? Start tagging entries. As we see useful tags gaining traction, we'll incorporate them into the short cut list, but there's nothing stopping you from tagging anything you want... 'requiresregistration'? 'interstitial'? The sky is the limit.

      And you aren't kidding about the interestingness of stories falling apart upon click. I've rejected 10s of thousands of submissions ;)

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    16. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basically, it's like a spam filter for the editors, and is essentially doing part of their job for them. That's wonderful. The more the editors get out of the way, the better. If slashdot totally got rid of the editors, I think that would be paradise. They don't even edit ( as in, correct and revise text for clarity, spelling, and grammar)!

      I can read articles days in advance on digg. However, digg is cluttered up with crappy "Amazing Photos! title sez it all" articles and insightful, highly rated comments such as +157 "Doucehbag [Reply] ".

      I come to slashdot for the community. Not for the articles, not for the crappy non-editing that the mods-called-editors do, but for the intelligent discussion from karmalized nerds with modpoints. If the slashdot community could also have complete control of the story posting system **and summary editing**, that would be the Shangri-la of internet message boards.
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    17. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well I disagree with you on some points of course... I think that part of why Slashdot is relevant is because us editors exist and prevent 'amazing photos! title sez it all".

      The problem with the concept of 'Community' is that the so-called 'Community' is the vocal minority. More than half of Slashdot readership is only interested in the articles those editors you hate so much. Perhaps a third of you are 'The Community'... so we need to strike a balance between what works for each groups particular needs.

      My hope is that the hose will give us a chance to satisfy the desires of a broad spectrum of users... the ones who want minimal to no editor involvement and simply want to participate in the community discussion aspect of the site... to the silent majority who simply want the 10-15 best stories, without seeing crap like 'Amazing Photos!' etc...

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    18. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the purpose of spam is to get people to see its contents, and the purpose of the Firehose is to let people see most or all of the article submissions, then doesn't the Firehose encourage spam submissions?

      Aside from the thinly-veiled slashvertisements we sometimes see, the average front page reader on Slashdot doesn't see the spam, because it's rejected by the editors. With the Firehose, there are at least some eyeballs looking at all those rejected submissions, so it's worth the spammers' time to submit more spam even if it never makes it past the Firehose, because it gets seen on the Firehose.

    19. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you not get users to add a date when submitting an article? This would be either the date of the original article for news items or a N/A placeholder for others. Push news entries to the top of the FireHose and expire them after a week. When there aren't any interesting news stories, it's probably a good time to start posting the 'slow news day' ones, and these will automatically trickle to near the top.

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    20. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hadn't thought about the difference between the submission date and the content date... that's an interesting idea, although one that wouldn't be very trustworthy... plus people wanting to promote something would tend to exagerate the newness of their content because new is better (generally speaking)

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    21. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Informative
      There are ways of dealing with that I think. We can wrap low-rated content in search engine aware tags and use the no-referral thign to make sure search engines don't crawl lowly rated content. It's something we'll need to deal with no doubt.

      As for your 'thinly veiled slashvertisements' I take offense at that. We pick what we pick because we like what we like. Sometimes we pick stuff that may be a simple press release. Hell, I might post a straight up commercial if I thought it was interesting. But we still to this day pick what we pick because WE want to pick it, and not because we're paid to pick it.

      The other practical reality is that we're trying to post a story every 40-50 minutes. By the end of the day, the best stuff is gone... sometimes you choose stories that simply aren't as good. And sometimes those may be advertising or something. We're still choosing it because we think it's the best of what's available, but I don't like when people accuse us of taking bribes for the homepage. Believe me, if we did that, this would be a different site (Like I wouldn't be here).

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    22. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that stories fall into many categories... some are time-critical and others are timeless... things like "I want a new laptop is Dell good" or "Here's a guy who tatood the BSD on his arm". Stuff like that never really needs to be 'rejected' since it could theoretically be a good story tomorrow.

      I think you need to trust that good stories, if they're good stories, will be resubmitted if they suddenly become a good story because some factor changed. With that in mind, I would just give it a week and dump it. "If you love a story, let it go. If it doesn't return, it was never good in the first place." :)

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    23. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      The firehose view just lists the story subjects and allows the user to click +/- from there. Yes, you can view the entire story, but I think most people are just going to vote based on the subject alone. Is this good or bad?


      Slashdot readers don't RTFA now, you expect them to start with the Firehose?
    24. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that part of why Slashdot is relevant is because us editors exist and prevent 'amazing photos! title sez it all". Of course that's true, but what I'm betting on is that the hurdle has been cleared and the slashdot community has been 'gentrified'. Just as we don't get "Doucebag!" comments modded to +5 Insightful, I likewise don't think we would get "Amazing Photos!" submissions modded to the front page by slashdotters with mod points.

      Also, and I don't mean to start a flame war here, but editors have consistently gotten away with poor editing. Most recently, there has been at least threesubmissions with improper usage of the phrase 'begs the question' in the summary. They don't really edit, or at least, they are allowed to make the same editorial mistakes over and over again -- they are just mods! Admins! Title them correctly. ;)

      Basically what I'm arguing is that the community system we've created through development and usage, karma + mod points, is strong enough to handle the editing job. The proof of the ability of the community to handle editing is the high quality of comment moderation, as compared to digg.

      My hope is that the hose will give us a chance to satisfy the desires of a broad spectrum of users... I think I see now where you are trying to go with this. However, I think most users will use the features and functions of the default opening page, which means, they won't use these personalizing features at all. At least, that's my prediction ;)
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    25. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That's why you have a trade-off. News content gets shown at the top of the list, but is kicked off completely after a little while (say, a week), whether it makes it to the front page or not. Non-news content goes on at the bottom of the list, but stays there for much longer (probably until it has been there for a couple of weeks and has a 2:1 ratio of down to up moderations). You could just have a new/random flag that people set to decide which best describes their content.

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    26. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      Do the editors affect the color rating in the firehose, for example if they see a story they are not that interested in then immediately turn it to indigo - that sort of thing.

    27. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Firehose is an easy way for the editors to reduce the number of story submissions they have to look through in order to find the good stuff. It will not reliably bring the best stories to the top, but it should be pretty effective at burying the most obvious garbage.

      Ahhh, so that explains why Digg is always loaded with such incredibly high-quality articles... *sigh*

    28. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      This is explicitly undesirable in the case of something like Ask Slashdot stories... I'd prefer to pick the best one from 10... be that a week old a day or a month. They are timeless, so I might as well choose my favorite.

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    29. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by geeber · · Score: 1

      More than half of Slashdot readership is only interested in the articles those editors you hate so much.

      Cannot parse. Where's one of those editors when you need one?

    30. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      This is explicitly undesirable in the case of something like Ask Slashdot stories... I'd prefer to pick the best one from 10... be that a week old a day or a month. They are timeless, so I might as well choose my favorite.

      Are you that hard up for Ask Slashdot stories? I agree that, "What Linux distribution are you using? Discuss!" is a timeless topic deserving to be discussed periodically, but it seems to me that if a topic is good and hasn't been discussed in a while, then someone will ask it again.

      The issue is the list growing unwieldly. The more cruft that's in the list, the fewer eyes will hit each story to decide quality. If Ask Slashdot needs a somewhat longer period than other stories, then so be it, but IMO you're giving a bit too much weight to the "I might want that month old story in a pinch!" problem.

      Alternatively, you could always have the public Firehose list have the one-week kill time, but for editor purposes, it could have a longer period so you could sift through older stuff.

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    31. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I tried reading that sentence five times before I realized that there must have been a word missing. I've got a tiny headache now!

    32. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      One idea i think would be good is to link stories that are dupes group them and be able to "mod" the whole group (ie a story about Paris Hilton gets all versions sent into -6 mod hell) and also flag the best version to be put on the front page (ie a coherent writeup with decent links and a neutral phrasing would be better than a mod troll garbled version with no links)

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    33. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not subject quality, but agenda. Conservative politician looks at someone the wrong way, front page. Scientist proves global warming a crock of shit, you'll never see that one. Positive MS story, nope. Negative Apple story, nope.

      This is going to suck.

    34. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If your only concern is that 'Editors' have an inaccurate job title, then I think we are doing just fine.

      If you want community oriented tools to actually edit content wiki style or whatever, www.slashcode.com has sourcecode. I've had a user contributed patch/diff system on my TODO list forever, but it's a hard job and I've got another dozen hard jobs ahead of it on the list. We'll get there someday, you could get there tomorrow :)

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    35. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whoa, dude. By "slashvertisement", I wasn't attempting to imply that you guys were getting kickbacks - merely that an article submission itself looks like it was written more to sell something to one's fellow Slashdotters than to inform one's fellow Slashdotters of something interesting. Same thing happens on Wikipedia all the time.

      Since the article was written by its submitter, the quality of the article is mainly on them. If it's pure advertising copy, that's on them, first and foremost. Still, you might consider taking the hint that Slashdotters are offering when the "slashvertisement" tag appears on an article, namely that the article crosses a line that your readership would rather not see crossed.

      I've noticed that a lot of times this happens when the article describes a product with purported scientific basis, but when you go to read the linked webpage, it turns out that there's really no scientific substance to it at all. Since most Slashdotters are interested in the nuts and bolts more so than forking over cash for something of dubious usefulness, such articles get railed against.

      On a side note, if there are problems with quality-of-article at certain points during the day, you might consider automatic queueing and posting of articles to add some pacing, so that article quality doesn't decrease during the off hours. Instead of several articles showing up during a short span, the editors could add the articles to a queue which automatically adds a new article to the front page after a somewhat random period of time.

      On another side note, regarding the Firehose spam in the first place, I don't think nofollow is going to cut it. Lots of weblogs and forums have nofollow on their links as well, and some weblogs and forums haven't even been posted to in months. That doesn't stop the spambots from posting to them, because of the possibility of someone seeing the spam eventually (which is the whole point of spam). If the threshold for worthwhileness of posting spam is that low, the Firehose is a gold mine in comparison.

    36. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Defining the inter-relatedness of stories is on the TODO list. There's a number of relationships: Clarifications, Follow-ups, Duplicates, Continuations... coming up with a UI for all of this is hard. We've no shortage of ideas :)

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    37. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      Why not come up with a way to pick groups relevant to you (via your front page settings?) and somehow factor that in when people use firehose- eg if someone isn't showing anything from 'Games' on their front page and routinely mods down gaming in the firehose, you know to count that opinion less.. basically you end up filtering out the worst of each category and let the people who really are knowledgeable in those areas moderate and then let peoples front page settings dictate what gets shown out of the top stuff.

      also- I'd love to be able to turn off journals, bookmarks, etc in firehose too.

    38. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by fbjon · · Score: 1
      I agree, and I think converting to full-on, community-only editing would pull down the quality of the site. It's good to have some people who can keep things straight.


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    39. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Most recently, there has been at least three submissions with improper usage of the phrase 'begs the question' in the summary. Verily, a most troubling occurrence indeed.
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    40. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I would say that if someone isn't showing gaming articles on the front page they should not be involved in selecting gaming articles on the 'hose.

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    41. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      If your only concern is that 'Editors' have an inaccurate job title, then I think we are doing just fine. That's sort of the least of my concerns. It's kind of the "That's not a bug, it's a feature!" solution. Either call them moderators, or admins, or sysops, or have them edit, with proper spelling, grammar and clarity, and an editorial policy, while calling them editors :)

      In a perfect world, I'd rather have editors doing a better job, but since the FAQ says that the editors are doing just fine, the least we could do is not mislead people into thinking there is a standard job of editing going on, in the normal/default sense of the word 'editor' :)

      If you want community oriented tools to actually edit content wiki style or whatever Eeg! That's very tempting. I'm adding that to my to-do list right now...
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    42. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      Just while we're talking about dates - a story I submitted made it to the top of the Firehose, and is still "Pending" some three months after the fact. Is it normal for a submission to hang around that long?

      My submissions normally get rejected within hours (and usually, someone else's semi-literate and over-sensationalised version gets accepted a week later) so I've no idea how long a story would normally be "pending".

    43. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      The best part about Slashdot is that we don't get any of those damn "amazing photo!!11oneone!1" stories that plague Digg and reddit. If the editors could refrain from posting obvious flamebait/troll articles and inflammatory headlines, then we wouldn't have as many complaints about the editors. Also, if they edited submissions to fix common mistakes like lose/loose, begs the question (instead of raises the question), there/their/they're, OpenBSD Foundation Accounced [sic], etc.

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    44. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by jamie · · Score: 1

      Comments as well as stories...

    45. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      Just not show gaming articles in the firehose? That's not a bad idea either, but on the other hand if someone doesn't 'subscribe' to gaming, and +'s an article, maybe it means more than (or at least as much as) someone's +'s who does subscribe to gaming?

    46. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Ambiguous+Puzuma · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what's the reason for trying to post a story every 40-50 minutes, even when you've run out of good stories?

    47. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Miniluv · · Score: 1

      I suspect very few of us are the sort who read every story, even the ones posted expanded, on the front page. Hell, I often forget there are pages other than the main one that stories can be posted to.

    48. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      Just as we don't get "Doucebag!" comments modded to +5 Insightful, I likewise don't think we would get "Amazing Photos!" submissions modded to the front page by slashdotters with mod points.

      Slashdot's most disruptive moderation problem consists of punitive mods and thoughtless mods. It's always been that way, a huge number of interesting and insightful posts get modded down. Without moderation accountability - who modded what, and how - this will never change; the mod system is inherently flawed. Even some of the slashdot editors follow some of the users around and systematically mod them down, and they've got unlimited mod points to do it with - they even brag about it.

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    49. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by cloricus · · Score: 1

      My understanding of the term 'slashvertisement' holds no implication that the editor gained anything from posting the story to the front page and that it is there because they found it interesting. The term, as far as general usage goes, refers to a questionable definition of a 'news' story in where a company has constructed news to slip an advertisement in. The only reason the word itself has a negative connotation, in my opinion, is that some question its moral basis, 'why are there ads in my news feed?', and in general people think it is important to point it out strongly to set an understanding of what they find acceptable as news.
      I don't think you should take it as an insult at all. I'd probably take it as a compliment that people have such a high opinion of my work that they care about the standard and quality so much so that they collectively attempt to keep it in check.

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    50. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      This is something meta-moderating doesn't address, or doesn't address sufficiently? Aren't mod points relatively limited, both in number and frequency of distribution, so that an abusive mod can't do much damage? You don't buy the argument that the editors are protecting the community from crap floods that would otherwise take a lot of mod points out of the community to offset? Are there really *that* many unfairly down-modded posts?

      I agree that there might be a problem in slashdot's system with insightful or informative posts being modded down, but the genius of the system is that it really does a good job of keeping the crap out. If there has to be a trade-off, I'm willing to lose a few good posts in order not to have to wade through screens of liquid feces.

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    51. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, if a significant fraction of Slashdot users' automated settings were taken into account, Slashdot might become more appropriately focused.

    52. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Its better to annoy people then to have them not have any reason at all to come.

    53. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Stuff like that never really needs to be 'rejected' since it could theoretically be a good story tomorrow. Or next wednesday. But other stories are very time sensitive and 24 hours later are a waste of time (Shuttle Launches etc). It's hard coming up with a clean solution to all of this.

      I still don't have a good answer. Or just yesterday. I seem to recall a one-line article, and a one line editorial summary welcoming us to the slow August news cycle.

      When I prioritize tasks, I have to gauge them on two axes: "time-critical" and "important." Items high on both scales get done first. While I wouldn't necessarily suggest adding a second metric to the generic firehose, it might make sense for editors (or trusted users) sorting through the Firehose to give the stories a "Rainy day value" rating.

      When you guys are looking for stories to post, you would read off of a list pre-sorted by a metric consisting of weights on the Slashnews quotient (net user vote) and the Rainy Day rating. So when news is particularly slow, the editor could crank up the Rainy Day weight. Bingo! There's a cool hardware hack someone wrote about three months ago that never got posted.
    54. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Comments as well as stories... On that note, theres a feature that creeps into my spec list every time I think about writing forum software: The lack of structural distinction between stories and comments. I always wanted to be able to take a comment and treat it as a story.

      On Slashdot, individual comments often spawn a vast tree of comments not particularly related to the story. In circumstances like these, the comment could be recasted as a story in a comment-sourced category. (Call it the Sidebar category.)
    55. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      I've got mod points at the moment - what happens if I attempt to rate a Taco post as "Overrated"? Does my Karma auto-reset to minus a bizgillion and they cancel my subscription?

      Anyway, it seems to me that the current title of "editor" is relatively new but I forget what they were called before.

    56. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      This is something meta-moderating doesn't address, or doesn't address sufficiently?

      Meta moderating doesn't address it at all. The only way to spot a mod on a crusade to hammer someone is to know which mod did what to whom. Anonymous moderation is an invitation to abuse, and abuse is regular and extensive. Some moderations - underrated, overrated - aren't even meta-moderated at all, so editors and mods can (and do) step on certain people's posts without any fear of being caught out. The excuse of the editors is that these two mods don't affect karma, so they don't need metamodding; I don't know about you, but I'm not here for karma, I'm here for good posts, and these mod types hide posts just as well as anything else does.

      You say that you have an idea that mods "protect" us from crapfloods, etc. Well, they don't protect me, because I've found that reading at -1 uncovers a whole lot of very, very good posts that either never get modded up - anonymous, for instance - or have been modded down. I want to read the good posts, so I read at -1 and mods protect me from zip, nada, nothing. I have to see everything if I want to see the good stuff. If the mod system actually worked - that is, all worthwhile posts went up, and just trolls (like GNAA) and obvious FP masturbation went down, then I could actually use the system. The thing is, if it's happening to me, it's happening to everyone; just that if they do read at, say, 2, then they're missing a lot. They can't avoid it, because the system keeps a lot of good stuff down.

      The underlying problem is that moderation generally really means "I agree" / "I support this member" or "I disagree" / "I dislike this member." Very few people actually evaluate posts for content, rather than tone or source.

      You might consider reading the link I provided. I went into some detail there.

      but the genius of the system is that it really does a good job of keeping the crap out.

      No. It doesn't keep anything out. Trust me, I have to see it all. What this system does is hides things if you let it. It is far more likely to hide a good post than it is a problem post because there are a lot more of them. Most because they simply start at 0 and never get a point, others because they're unfairly knocked down. There are really very few problem posts as compared to posts that never get a fair shake, but because there are so many posts overall, and so few mod points, the 0-level posts generally contain more good stuff than the high level posts by volume. Skipping them is like shooting yourself in the foot. I have seen *tons* of literally insightful posts, interesting posts, funny posts, that were 0's. I *would* like the mod system to work, but without transparency and accountability, it never will. It is inherently broken.

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    57. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      Gee, it's almost like the 'slownewsday' tag is designed to do exactly that!

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    58. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2
      You can try it and see :)

      The title was orignally 'author' only because thats what the original mysql table was named. 'Editor' really was what readers began calling us in the forums (along with less polite names) and I think Editor is more accurate than Author. We may not grammar/spellcheck, but we *do* edit thousands of submissions down to dozens of submissions. That's not the traditional definition, but it's part of it. There already are 'moderators' so its not like I'm gonna re-use that term.

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    59. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by 1u3hr · · Score: 0, Troll
      I've had a user contributed patch/diff system on my TODO list forever, but it's a hard job...

      When if ever are you going to habve a functional spellcheck? Curently, for instance, you have "a man tried to reneg on the Ebay sale...". The word is spelled "renege". You don't need to be a classical scholar to spellcheck.

      So why should I spend my time filtering crap in the firehose when you don't use the simplest tools to clean it up -- spellcheck and detect dupes at a minimum -- yourself? I know, the FAQ, dated five years ago, says you're still working on it.

    60. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      -- Yes, I know, I have typos in my post. Laugh at that if you like, but it does not absolve the editors.

    61. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      You say that you have an idea that mods "protect" us from crapfloods, etc Woah woah woah. That's not *my* claim; that's what's claimed in the link to the FAQ that you provided. Have you read it lately? I didn't see any 'bragging' in the FAQ; I only saw a reasonable argument put forth by the writer of the FAQ. I have no reason to believe you or the FAQ, unless I see some evidence of actual posts and their mods.

      If the mod system actually worked - that is, all worthwhile posts went up, and just trolls (like GNAA) and obvious FP masturbation went down, then I could actually use the system. I don't think we'd ever get a perfect mod system, the kind like you describe, in real life. First of all, 'worthwhile' is a subjective criteria. You and I probably have very different ideas of what is worth while. If you and I were able to mod our own independent copies of slashdot, it would probably look very different. Therefore, everyone is going to find moderations that upset them. But for me personally, I am happy with the overall moderation of slashdot. We're never going to have a perfect system. I think slashdot is balanced to overlook a few gems and avoid all of the crap. I'm happy to have slightly less gems in exchange for no crap. And I understand that the slashdot community is not one single mind, and we all will not agree on what is worthwhile.

      The underlying problem is that moderation generally really means "I agree" / "I support this member" or "I disagree" / "I dislike this member." Very few people actually evaluate posts for content, rather than tone or source. I disagree. I don't think that happens at all, unless it is an editor who is carrying out a vendetta. An average user only gets 5 mod points, at very infrequent intervals, so they can't do much damage to one user, much less two or more.

      I always mod based on content; I hardly ever read the username. I've often gotten in arguments thinking that a replier was a different user than the grandparent, when in fact they were the same poster!

      Furthermore, I've seen a lot of mod bouncing. A joke goes over someone's head, and it gets modded down. Others get the joke and mod it back up. Or, a troll makes a snarky political point that certain users agree with, and mod up the comment. Over time, the community catches up, and the post gets modded down. The system works.

      I have seen *tons* of literally insightful posts, interesting posts, funny posts, that were 0's. I *would* like the mod system to work, but without transparency and accountability, it never will. I disagree, but I am interested in seeing more evidence. Can you post some links to some great posts that stayed at 0? If there are tons, you could easily post 10 or so?

      Personally, I am happy with missing a few gems in exchange for avoiding crap. I don't want to waste time wading through crap, I want only good stuff, and since I am pressed on time, I don't need all of them.
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    62. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Sounds like slashdot is perfect for you with all kinds of hidden content. For me, it's -1 or a waste of time. I am sure that there are others on both sides of this viewpoint; I am also sure of what I have seen over the years reading at -1. Ten posts? heck, I can give you ten posts from the same story!

      Here are your ten "0" posts of perfectly good content that I would have missed, in no way of lesser value than anyone else's all from one story:

      1. informative and interesting
      2. informative AND corrects error in parent
      3. this post (rated 0) is correct, and courteous. The reply (rated 1) is rude, and wrong or at least debatable.
      4. Same poster as previous, again modded down, again a reasonable and informative post. Not so polite, but still, correct and factual. That's two uncontested, innapropriate down-mods for the same guy - not anonymous.
      5. informative and to the point. 0.
      6. informative and to the point, also changes perception of thread. 0.
      7. this is a VERY good post. 0.
      8. here's another one, lots of content, interesting points, modded DOWN to 0. Obviously disagreement on the mods part
      9. perfectly appropriate counterpoint to the above post. anon, 0 and staying there.
      10. factual and to the point. 0.

      Now, you specified "great posts"; as far as I'm concerned, most stories don't have any great posts. They're pretty rare. What I'm interested in is point, counterpoint, rationale, data, references, argument over perceptions, the things that make the continuum of opinions and uses less opaque to me, especially if it is an area I'm not familiar with. My concern is that I be able to follow a conversation and not miss things. Now, in the above ten examples, many of those posts had specific information such as how packets are handled and formatted, directly on topic and germane in the sense that the issues discussed required that info to be understood and addressed properly. An editor with mod points - who was actually competent to follow the conversation - could have fixed it, but as you see, it's been a day or so and it remains unfixed. A day on slashdot means the conversation is mostly over, so those posts were wasted for many people. So this is concrete evidence (and by the way, this can be done with any slashdot story) that the threads are not well served by the way the moderation works out.

      Now, as to vendettas and accountability: I try - hard - to post things I am convinced of, and to back them up with reason. I may fail, I may be wrong, but I *never* troll and I try really hard not to be rude unless someone has been rude to me. I like slashdot, and I really appreciate how much the posters here have contributed to my outlook and education. You too - we've butted heads a couple times. I think it is fair to say that if you look through my posting history, you're not going to find posts that are deserving of "troll" or downmods in general. You may very well find things you don't agree with, but they are my honest opinions, worst case you'll see a post where I misinterpreted what someone else said. With that in mind:

      I watch my moderation fairly closely, only because I watch my account to see if my posts have new replies. The moderation is righ

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    63. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Ah. My impression was that the slownewsday tag was being applied by Slashdot users who liked to whine about news relevance. That always irritated me.

      It never occurred to me that editors were the ones applying that tag.

    64. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2
      'slownewsday' to me indicates a story that is technically ontopic for Slashdot, but really not all that great. In other words.. it's good enough on a slow news day, but you sure wish there would be something better.

      This is distinct from 'stupid' or 'offtopic' which I think are much more negative... they indiciate that the story is a waste of time... not just mediocre.

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    65. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      I'm not looking for absolution ;)

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    66. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > I think most people are just going to vote based on the subject alone. Is this good or bad?

      Yes.

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    67. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      People like feedback Indeed feedback is important! So does stuff that we write in the Firehose feedback thing get shown only to the submitter, or only to the editors, or both?

      And when we write feedback, should we write sentences or tags? Can we write "Your submission would be much better with a link or two", or should that be "yoursubmissionwouldbemuchbetterwithalinkortwo"?

      I suggest you put the answers to these two questions in the FAQ, because feedback is indeed very valuable, and without knowing the answers we can't really know what kind of feedback is useful.

      (By the way, speaking of tags, in my opinion spaces should be allowed in tags, because tags are used by people, and should use people English. Programming-language distortions are necessary for source-code parsers, but hardly in tags. Neither is case sensitivity. Also, leading "not" is far more intuitive than leading "!". But I digress, sorry.)
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    68. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      There are conventions for tagging that I think should be followed, and those are covered in our tagging faq. In theory tags you assign should be visible to others, but we haven't tested much with users tagging freeform tags on the home so that might not actually be working properly.

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    69. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      Um, what? Are you saying that firehose feedback is only "theoretically" visible to the submitter and the editors? Are you saying that in practice this so-called "feedback" isn't visible to anyone???

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    70. Re:Story submission now based on subject quality? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      Heh... what I'm saying is that since we only had small data sets to work with, we haven't decided exactly how to make this stuff useful yet. I can get the information, but it's not yet integrated into the system as fully as it ought to be.

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  5. Shoud I apply the Firehose ... by i_like_spam · · Score: 1

    binspam tag to this shameless self-promotion?

    (disclaimer: just joking, I enjoy drinking from the Firehose Fountain.)

  6. Like some other sites I could mention... by u-bend · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but better. Like those sites if they were posted to, read by, and moderated by people with a mode age greater than 6 and a mode emotional age greater than 2 :)

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    1. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by jamie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mode? Really? OK, that's a pretty nerdy putdown.

      What's the next insult? "Your wiener has P < 0.1 and a big deviation"

    2. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      You forgot the error factor on your .

      Hmm.. I wonder what your n was.. ;)

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    3. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Boo. Sigma doesnt work ;(

      fixme ;) pweety pwlease?

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    4. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Since we're in meta mode, can I also ask for an update on unicode support? Accents seem to be working now, instead of being silently stripped, although the Euro sign is removed (£ works though). A trademark symbol still seems to be replaced with (TM). Is Slashdot likely to finish UTF-8 support any time soon? The spec's over a decade old now...

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    5. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by CmdrTaco · · Score: 1, Troll

      www.slashcode.com has the code. feel free to patch this in... It's not really a priority to me ATM.

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    6. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Euro sign works: €, just not with Alt-e, you have to dance the € thing.

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    7. Re:Like some other sites I could mention... by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

      In think Unicode support has been completed, but has not been added to the slashcode code. If you search the slashcode dev mailing list on sourceforge, you'll find posts about a Chinese (if my memory is right) guy who modified Slash to support unicode characters. That was about two years ago?

  7. Like usual.. by Dragoonkain · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Slashdot does'nt test anything in IE. Yes I know, everyone is supposed to use firefox! But while you people keep dreaming of that day, the rest of the world uses Internet Explorer. I am sure this service is nice, but as of right now I can not use the service because it looks like complete trash with JS errors in Internet Explorer. sigh. You are excluding 50% of the browsing market from using your website. Thanks!!

    1. Re:Like usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > . I am sure this service is nice, but as of right now I can not use the service because it looks like complete trash with JS errors in Internet Explorer. sigh.

      That's OK, it doesn't work consistently in Firefox either. When I went back to an earlier page of submissions, I found that only about 2/3 of my selections appear to have been preserved.

      AJAX apps might be pretty, but gimme the simple drop-down HTML stuff that actually works.

    2. Re:Like usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't even start... I tried to bring this up (at work we are mandated to use IE6, they activelly scan and kill other browsers) a long time ago and got flamed pretty hard. Save yourself the grief. I prefer Firefox but sometimes the option is not available. For me and other like me, their answer is suck it up.

    3. Re:Like usual.. by jamie · · Score: 1

      When I went back to an earlier page of submissions, I found that only about 2/3 of my selections appear to have been preserved.

      Not sure what you mean... you mean when you went back and looked at a firehose item you had previously nodded or nixed, the nod/nix button did not show up with your choice?

      If you can replicate this, please let us know...

    4. Re:Like usual.. by truthsearch · · Score: 1, Troll

      Or you could just stop reading Slashdot at work...

      Silly idea, I know.

    5. Re:Like usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Not sure what you mean... you mean when you went back and looked at a firehose item you had previously nodded or nixed, the nod/nix button did not show up with your choice?

      Correct. Most of the time, the choice was correctly displayed. About 1/3 of the time, it was as if I'd taken no voting action.

      I'll let you know in further detail if I can replicate it from somewhere else. Client is Firefox/XP SP2, Javascript enabled, ad-blocking client-side proxy (Privoxy) disabled, both memory/disk caches cleared after disabling, but before loading Firehose page, just in case there was some cached Javascript that was the problem) and lack of caffeine this morning.

      Lemme poke around with it from a different IP tonight. Could still be my own fault. (Might have an ISP-related proxy sitting between me and Slashdot, or just plain poor/intermittent connectivity that silently drops *some* of my requests, or takes so long to transmit a vote on Submission #1 that I'm already clicking on Submission #2, and Slashdot sees only the second request... Maybe I just have to wait 10-20 seconds between clicks, or click 2-3 times...)

      In HTML-land, such connectivity issues identify themselves immediately (or after a timeout) on the client side as a "Loading..." animation that never ends, 503-I-resolved-the-host-but-nobodys-home errors, but in AJAX-land, my browser might not be capable of telling me what's failing, and my script-fu is weak :)

    6. Re:Like usual.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I tried to bring this up (at work we are mandated to use IE6, they activelly scan and kill other browsers)"

      I'm stuck with IE6 too at work. I used to could work the firehose...up to a week or so ago, I could click the ratings, but, the other stuff like tags and all...were mixed up on other other text to the right of the screen.

      But, they recently did something that makes it totally unusable and unviewable from IE6....so, I no longer can vote on there.

      I prefer FF too, but, not much a choice on a fairly locked down work box.

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    7. Re:Like usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      it doesnt work right on my toaster either. but that's not the sites fault, it's my fault for trying to browse the web on something that doesnt comply with web standards.

    8. Re:Like usual.. by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it was extremely slow and clunky on Opera for a long time, but now it's a breeze to use, so something changed for sure. Just the filter slider, and some icons in the prefs are a bit messed up.

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    9. Re:Like usual.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      at work we are mandated to use IE6, they activelly scan and kill other browsers)
      Where I work, we actively scan for and kill anyone who tries to make us use a browser different from the one we like best.
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    10. Re:Like usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work in Lynx! C'mon, REAL geeks don't use firefox (that's like emacs)---they use lynx (like vi)!

      Personally, I prefer this firehose.

    11. Re:Like usual.. by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      Joins the "Firehose is hosed for IE6 at work club". I know there's always problems implementing a new system, but this should have never been published with these types of render issues.

    12. Re:Like usual.. by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      Id rather we get all angry mob over lack of Opera support.

      But, you cant have everything. Although i think you SHOULD.

      -Red

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    13. Re:Like usual.. by ThatFunkyMunki · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you just bring a portable firefox with you to work on a zip drive or something?

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    14. Re:Like usual.. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > at work we are mandated to use IE6, they activelly scan and kill other browsers

      Wait, your computer use is monitored so closely that you can't keep a locally-installed copy of Firefox in your home directory, but they don't mind that you waste time at work fiddling around with beta features of slashdot?

      Who do you work for, Catbert?

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  8. Not so sure by kalpol · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it makes Slashdot more like digg, then bad idea. It's a train wreck of sex and conspiracy theories over there. Well...on second thought maybe we can make it half like digg.

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    1. Re:Not so sure by forrestt · · Score: 1

      So, you want it to be a train wreck of conspiracy theories?

    2. Re:Not so sure by dc29A · · Score: 1

      If it makes Slashdot more like digg, then bad idea. It's a train wreck of sex and conspiracy theories over there. Well...on second thought maybe we can make it half like digg. Digg is more like a trainwreck of "OMG LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OMFG!". That and regurgitated blogspam. It's gotten so bad, that you have to click through 3 or more blogs just to get to original article. Each of these blogs has some very "insightful" 2 line commentary and link to another blog. Every moron spams Digg with their own shitty blogs, they know it's a highway for great hitcount and their ego.

      I really hope Slashdot doesn't become half like Digg, not even 0.00001% of Digg.
    3. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He clearly wants sex theories.

    4. Re:Not so sure by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. I just don't like Digg. Yes some news shows up faster on Digg than Slashdot but I think the editors do a good job most of the time, except when they don't take my submission. When they turn down my submissions they are being idiots.
      I just don't think Digg does as good of a job filtering out the junk as Slashdot does.
      As far the wisdom of the crowd goes... All I can say is, "American Idol".
      Digg has done what I considered impossible. They have created a meaner, nastier, more opinionated community than Slashdot.
      Slashdot is like having tea with the Dali Lama compared to Digg.

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    5. Re:Not so sure by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think there is value in both methods. I think it's about striking a balance between mob rule and dictatorship. I refuse to let the Slashdot story selection turn into American Idol because I think sometimes the little stories are the most important, and sometimes the story that everyone wants to read... well, everyone has already read it, and do you really need to see it again?

      As for the community, I like this one. Lots of good folks post here every day. And a few dickheads that I really wish would shut up. Sometimes I wish I was as evil as some of them accuse me of being. It would be a lot easier to simply ban them ;)

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    6. Re:Not so sure by griblik · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      sometimes the story that everyone wants to read... well, everyone has already read it, and do you really need to see it again? Hell yes. It wouldn't be slashdot if we couldn't read it again next week ;)
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    7. Re:Not so sure by makapuf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, you ! You shouldn't try to impress us with your low ID or whatever, you know. I know there are zero or negative IDs somewhere watching you with disdain. meh.

    8. Re:Not so sure by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Oh the fast majority of people are pretty good. I learn a lot from the posts. But unlike you I can not ban people from Slashdot. I do not want to make them my foes because frankly they are not worth making into a foe. You see I do not see places like Slashdot as a dictatorship. If I don't like what you are doing with Slashdot I don't have to come here or post. I think of sites like Slashdot as visiting a friends home. I don't make the rules. I can leave if I am uncomfortable, and I can disagree if I do so politely and respectfully.
      This is a community but it is one you can leave at anytime.
      As I said I like you guys filtering the junk. Not perfect mind you.
      Unlike the a lot of people the dupes don't bother me as much. Maybe there is some new information about the story or maybe I missed it the first time.
      What I wish is that some of the blurbs had a higher light to heat ratio.
      That and do we really need the Politics and the YRO section? Talk about a lot more heat than light.

      Anyway take care.

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    9. Re:Not so sure by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Lots of good folks post here every day. And a few dickheads that I really wish would shut up.

      Do you, umm, have a list of who's in which set? (stares at feet)

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    10. Re:Not so sure by slapout · · Score: 0, Troll

      "I really wish would shut up"

      Come now. You shouldn't talk about your fellow editors like that. :-)

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  9. I've tried it. It sucks. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I've tried the Slashdot Firehose. It sucks.

    However, the name and target audience are probably a good fit: you would need some serious free time to process all the crap from the Firehose but a large proportion of Slashdotters are highly single and have no responsibilities other than to get themselves to and from work five days a week. ;)

  10. Digg by joetyson · · Score: 0, Troll

    This site is falling down the same hill of poor quality that digg is.

    1. Re:Digg by twitchingbug · · Score: 1

      Was it of particularly high quality to begin with? :P

    2. Re:Digg by mrCasual · · Score: 1

      You'll get over it.

    3. Re:Digg by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 1

      So what site do you recommend that nicely consolidates tech news from around the world?

  11. IE6 by ArcadeX · · Score: 1

    I like the part about IE6 known broken, no other comments : ) Kinda curious about IE7 working better than IE6, would have figured it would be the other way around. Is IE7 more flexible with code that 6? "Slashdot endorses Firefox by breaking IE6 functionality on thier site, news at 11." j/k.

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    1. Re:IE6 by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1
      Slashdot on IE6 is so broken the "new discussion" hides titles, etc. Although I'm tempted to just blame IE6.

      "Slashdot endorses Firefox by breaking IE6 functionality on thier site, news at 11." j/k. More like "Slashdot discourages work reading by breaking IE6 functionality on their site, news at 11."
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    2. Re:IE6 by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      IE7 does a better job of standards support than 6, and all the browsers they mention as working are very good at standards support. I assume that the system is built on approved web standards, not Microsoft's web 'standards.' (Which don't work consistantly even from version to version of their own software...)

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    3. Re:IE6 by Siberwulf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm gonna be the fanboi that wrecks the party...

      A few notes about me:

      1. I do web design. I know the pain involoved in getting all browsers working right.
      2. I work in a microsoft environment. I use Office, Exchange, VS.NET and MS SQL.

      I'm not going to venture to say that /. purposefully broke the new features, or even the /. site as a whole, it does seem a bit disheartening that you didn't even take the time and effort to make sure the thing was at least functional in IE6. I understand that this is a borderline MS hate site. I honestly don't read it for its objective opinions and unbiased headlines (although i did chuckle at the MS hate for creating torrents and asking "how do you feel about sharing the cost for MS's bandwidth"). It seems like complete nonsense that you would choose to not support the majority platform's majority browser. Sure, I know that there are quirks in IE6. I know there are also quirks in Ie7. I also know IE6 is the "browser of default" (not "browser of choice", since most people don't realize there is a choice) for most users out there. Is it the majority for hits on /.? That I don't know.

      As far as "a few glitches" in IE7, the thing just doesn't work. The slider, which I'm going to believe is one of the key features of the entire firehose portion, doesn't slide. The whole color bar moves.

      I was never delusional about the fact that this site is Anti-MS. I didn't, however, think it would go as far as to gear the site away from those people who, even though they may work for, use, or endorse MS products, could contribute to the meaninful dialog that brought /. out of the basement and into the spotlight.

      Sad day, imnsho.

  12. Safari Problems by MBCook · · Score: 1

    I've been using this for a while now, since it first appeared mostly, but in the last week or two or three (since the last major update) things haven't been rendering correctly for me in Safari 2. It used to work perfectly, but now it doesn't. The problem I have is the article text is there when I expand it, but the links (read more, comment, etc) show up on top of the article text thus making some words and part of a line or two unreadable.

    Since it is mentioned that it works in Safari, is anyone else having this problem?

    I'm on OS X, 10.4.10 for what it's worth.

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    1. Re:Safari Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on OS X, 10.4.10 for what it's worth. Hmm... Nothing?
  13. Congrads indeed ... drink *for* the Firehose by monkeySauce · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    English was a great language... and then you came along.

    1. Re:Congrads indeed ... drink *for* the Firehose by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      If you are going to let my bad spelling have bad feelings toward the english language (a hodbodge of different languages with no solid rules for grammer or spelling other then what some guy wrote down a hundred years ago and said this is the right way) Then my work is done.

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    2. Re:Congrads indeed ... drink *for* the Firehose by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

      So, I am genuinely curious here when I ask; Are you a troll or is your English really this poor? I counted no less than 7 errors in spelling, punctuation and grammar. And I am no expert. Is English your first language? Are you over the age of 12? Oh, never mind.

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    3. Re:Congrads indeed ... drink *for* the Firehose by monkeySauce · · Score: 1

      I was joking. I found it funny. I don't like english, and your mistakes looked more like typos from typing too fast anyway.

      I still like the idea of having a drink for the Firehose thought. Hear, hear!

  14. A much older reference "firehose" reference... by i_like_spam · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Yeah but finding the marble in the oatmeal is pretty original (or insane), probably both.

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    2. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      You know, I've been used to the MIT reference for so long now that I had forgotten that it's not just a common idiom that anyone would have heard. I was very confused when I saw it attributed to UHF...

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    3. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      You claim to have associated with MIT and not UHF, but your slashdot ID betrays you.

      Cheers.

      And yes, I associated it with UHF.

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    4. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      Buh? I'm not even sure what that means.

      I'd seen UHF before I got to MIT, but only a couple times and not enough for that particular joke to stick (spatula city, however...). By the time I saw it again as an undergrad, I was like, hey, did someone on the writing staff go to MIT? But my point is that now, the phrase is old enough and common enough to me that it didn't even occur to me that it had an "origin" either with MIT or UHF, it's just another idiom. So my first reaction was, "What are you talking about? Just because they use a common phrase in a movie doesn't mean it's from that movie!" It was weird to me that people even thought of it as having an "origin" any more than you would think about the origin of "you bit off more than you can chew."

      And now I've given FAR too much explanation. And am still not sure what my ID has to do with it.

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    5. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Informative

      GP means that since you have a high user id, you must be too young to associate the phrase with MIT instead of UHF. Theory is, an older person would have heard the MIT quote first; a younger person would have heard the UHF quote first. Your reply demonstrates that the GP made a correct assumption.

      On another note, etymology is weird to you? Only interested in the here and now eh?

      Oh well, since you didn't ask:

      To bite the bullet is 1700s military slang, from old medical custom of having the patient bite a bullet during an operation to divert attention from pain and reduce screaming. To bite (one's) tongue "refrain from speaking" is 1593. To bite the dust "die" is 1750. To bite off more than one can chew (c.1880) is U.S. slang, from plug tobacco. - http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=BITE& ia=etymon

    6. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Theory is, an older person would have heard the MIT quote first; a younger person would have heard the UHF quote first.

      But why would slashdot user ID correlate with age? Not everybody joins slashdot when their are young, and not everybody joined slashdot the first time they saw the site.

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    7. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by Splab · · Score: 1

      Because thats how it generally is, yes some of us waited a year or two before we started posting, but generally the GP is right.

    8. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      How would you know? Have you polled all slashdot readers? There are plenty of old people who have only recently accessed the internet, much less slashdot. It's a pretty faulty assumption to think that all people who are familiar with technology would rush to become slashdot users.

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    9. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by PYves · · Score: 1

      Well, chances are that anyone with any relation to MIT that would have heard the MIT quote first has a minimum technical background and would have already signed up for slashdot.

    10. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      To be fair, I didn't read slashdot as an undergrad - based on the references to it I'd heard, I assumed it was all Linuxy stuff, and though I used Linux then I had no interest in reading news about it. So my ID# is quite high b/c I didn't get it til after I'd graduated. Even so, UHF came out when I was 10. Given that slashdot was started my freshman year of college, I could have a two-digit ID and still be young enough that I saw UHF before I got to MIT.

      Etymology is interesting enough, but how often is the first comment on a slashdot story an explanation of the origin of the name of something if it's based on a common phrase rather than a pop culture reference? If it's a pop culture reference, the first like dozen comments are all about it; if it's a common idiom, it's rarely even mentioned.

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    11. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      Thank you sir, that explained the point _exactly_. It was meant to be a light hearted jest, albeit at original poster's expense, and it had way to much explanation required for the genius.

      Some people really need to up the sense of humor recognition and cut the self righteous bs. Its the internets for christs sake. You never know who could be hiding on it.

      Cheers.

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    12. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Surely people with a technical background who go to MIT have better things to do than sign up for a lightweight site like slashdot.

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    13. Re:A much older reference "firehose" reference... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > GP means that since you have a high user id, you must be too young to associate the phrase with
      > MIT instead of UHF. Theory is, an older person would have heard the MIT quote first; a younger
      > person would have heard the UHF quote first.

      I have no idea where I first heard the idiom, but in the absense of information to the contrary I would have guessed it was older than either reference. Fire hoses that carry water a lot faster than you can drink have been around since the late nineteenth century at least. (No, I wasn't there. But back in my day we used to have these things called "books"...)

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  15. Color coding, bad idea. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Colorblind. Can't help you with this new feature. You'll find that about 9% of your male audience will also be unable to use it correctly (not that some of them won't try.)

    In general, color-coding is a poor practice when designing any UI. Especially contiguous spectrums.

    Call me when you rank your firehose stories by popularity using a number, okay?

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    1. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      You'll find that about 9% of your male audience will also be unable to use it correctly. In other words, about 8.99999% of the slashdot audience :)

      Especially contiguous spectrums. Don't such interfaces mitigate the problems of color coded interfaces for color-blind users? Instead of looking at the colors, you know what the value is by it's position on the spectrum.
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    2. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm one of those 9% - I still see color, I just see red and green differently than normal color vision people do. Firehose uses only a handful of different colors and is no problem.

      I differentiate red and green fine as long as the tint isn't too light, but as the tint gets lighter and lighter it turns gray for me quicker than it does for people with normal color vision.

    3. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by nelsonal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Further to the left means better further to the right means worse, I'm color blind too, and it's worked ok so far (protanomalous, so YMMV).

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    4. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Call me when you rank your firehose stories by popularity using a number, okay? Presumably it wouldn't be a big deal to put a numeric indicator along with each colour, perhaps using green as a zero point above which yellow, orange, and red would have positive values and of course the blue/violet/black ratings would have the appropriate negative values.

      That said, depending upon how many people contribute to firehose community moderation, perhaps the 9% figure is an acceptable loss in the view of the coders. Colour is a faster and arguably more intuitive way of ranking something, in my opinion, although I'm not sure I'd have chosen red as the "approved" colour. Your point is well-taken, though, so perhaps the powers-that-be will add a numeric indicator in addition to the visual one.
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    5. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Informative

      We considered color blindedness early on and decided to deal with it by providing alt-text and mouseovers wherever it made sense for now. There are philisophical reasons for this... I could see us labeling things more blatantly or having a more ugly version of the color tags where you see 'red' spelled out or something, but I figured I'd wait and see what actual color blind people had to say on the subject before we coded something that there wasn't a demand for. So thanks for your feedback (as well as the other folks who've had other comments on the subject)

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    6. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Call me when you rank your firehose stories by popularity using a number, okay?"

      But what about color-blind synesthetes who see numbers as colors, but can't distinguish between certain hues. How will they ever get along using your proposed ranking system??!?!

      Call me when you rank your firehose stories by anything other than color or grapheme.

    7. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://colorfilter.wickline.org/

      That site lets a normal person see how a web-page looks to people with different kinds of color blindness.

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    8. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dad is color deficient (you insenstitve clod;), as was my Uncle. When I was 5 or 6 there was a kid's game with bright red and green squares, the actions were different depending on which one you landed on. I played it once with my dad and uncle, and quit in disgust thinking they were cheating. They just couldn't tell the difference between the squares.

      When my dad sees a traffic light, he tells whether it's a red light or a green light by which one is lit; the one on top is red. He got a ticket in Arizona once for running a red light, because they had installed the damned thing upside down!

      He still curses the fact that stop signs are now red instead of yellow (they've been red for what, half a century now?). He doesn't see them against foliage, which looks like the same color to him. It worries me, too, because I just know some color blind (sorry, deficient) old guy is going to slam into me because he didn't see the stop sign amongst the greenery. But that's OK here in Springfield because as likely as not the greenery will be in FRONT of the sign and normally sighted folks won't see it either.

      Ok, now I guess I'll paste in the OTHER comment I had to make about the actual story itself, which I was given a "cowboy" warning because I posted a mere 54 minutes ago...

      Once when I wasn't logged on (I haven't logged on since May) I was invited to drink from the Firehose. Was it because I had just had a submission hit the front page?

      BTW, I was on IE6 under XP (@ work, I run Firefox under Mandriva at home) and it worked fine.

      -mcgrew

    9. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you have to use color, DO NOT use black; especially as the opposite of red. red-green blind cannot tell the two apart. like me.

    10. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by jamie · · Score: 2

      We really, really do not want to copy Digg :)

    11. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I occasionally give a slide show where I discuss gaming and Slashdot. The reason is that numbers create games that people try to win. The problem is that Slashdot isn't really a game... or at least, it shouldn't be. We learned this the hard way with 'karma'. It was a publicly visible integer and it turned into a dick-length contest. People treated it as XP. They treated it as currency. And none of these things aided the real goal of the value ("Promote positive Discussion").

      The lesson I learned from all this is to avoid numbers at all costs because otherwise people create video games where perhaps it is better that none exist. I understand this- it's our nature. I LOVE video games where I earn and spend money. I love games where I gain XP and improve stats. But Slashdot shouldn't be those things... it should promote discussion. It should try to put the spotlight on good stories. It shouldn't be about how much XP You or I accumulate, it should be how much benefit we all collectively get from quality content.

      Of course you've demonstrated that you are a cynic. I try to be an optimist here. I've learned an important lesson. Hopefully Slashdot is better off for it.

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    12. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by ChoGGi · · Score: 2, Informative
      stick this in usercontent.css (red=1 black=8)

      @-moz-document url-prefix("http://slashdot.org/firehose"),url-pre fix("http://www.slashdot.org/firehose"){
      #fh_slid er_img{display:none!important}
      #colorsliderthumb{ background:#000!important;cursor:pointer!important ;font-size:1.5em!important}
      #colorsliderthumb[sty le*="left: 0px"]::after{content:"1"!important}
      #colorslidert humb[style*="left: 15px"]::after{content:"2"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 30px"]::after{content:"3"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 45px"]::after{content:"4"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 60px"]::after{content:"5"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 75px"]::after{content:"6"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 90px"]::after{content:"7"!important}
      #colorslider thumb[style*="left: 105px"]::after{content:"8"!important}
      [class^="so da pop"]>span{background:none!important}
      [class^="so da pop"]{text-indent:0!important;background:none #FFF!important;font-size:1.5em!important}
      [class^ ="soda pop"]::before{color:#000!important}
      .pop0::before {content:"0"!important}
      .pop1::before{content:"1" !important}
      .pop2::before{content:"2"!important}
      .pop3::before{content:"3"!important}
      .pop4::befo re{content:"4"!important}
      .pop5::before{content:" 5"!important}
      .pop6::before{content:"6"!important }
      .pop7::before{content:"7"!important}
      .pop8::be fore{content:"8"!important}
      }
    13. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by trifish · · Score: 1

      We really, really do not want to copy Digg :)

      Really? Well at least the system appears to be copied from Digg...

    14. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      > Of course you've demonstrated that you are a cynic. I try to be an optimist here. I've learned an important lesson.

      "Welcome to Slashdot! You must be new here!"

      /sorry, had to...

    15. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by trifish · · Score: 1

      Ok, I admit your reasons sound reasonable (no sarcasm intended). It's actually good to see at least some new ideas went into the Digg-invented system. Thanks for the explanation. I like it and apologize if I sounded like a troll. I sometimes post nasty stuff.

    16. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I've got a different take on this.

      I just don't really like the colour spectrum. It's not very intuative. I guess 'black = crap' is, but beyond that, it's tough to remember that red = good or blue = average or green = a-bit-above-average, etc. I'd rather see a fade from one light colour to another dark colour, say light red to dark green. That would be more intuative, and have the side-effect of helping colourblind people because the lightness of the colour would also be modified.

      No, I'm not talking about the slider along the top, I'm talking about the blobs of colour to the left of each submission.

    17. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      Don't you mean Kuro5shin invented?

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    18. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by ahoehn · · Score: 1

      Far less than 1% of the population is totally color blind. The other 99.995% of us will be able to see it just fine. Probably not a serious issue.

      I also fall into the 9% of the partially colorblind population, and apart from occasionally getting confused about whether the pants I'm wearing are dark green or brown, it's not too much of a hassle. Oh, also I'm an extremely slow cherry and strawberry picker.

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    19. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by LihTox · · Score: 1

      The lesson I learned from all this is to avoid numbers at all costs because otherwise people create video games where perhaps it is better that none exist.

      But Slashdot DOES have numbers: the posting scores. I can't be the only person who writes a post, and then keeps checking back to see what my final score is. :) ("Yay, a 5!")

    20. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by hankwang · · Score: 1

      Colour is a faster and arguably more intuitive way of ranking something,

      Well, for me it took a while before I had figured out what the color scale was representing. I'd prefer numbers or a bar that can be filled from 0 to 100%. And I'm not colorblind.

    21. Re:Color coding, bad idea. by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 1

      Well, for me it took a while before I had figured out what the color scale was representing. I'd prefer numbers or a bar that can be filled from 0 to 100%. And I'm not colorblind. That's fair enough. I actually like the idea of a bar that's filled to a greater or less extent depending upon the article's score, as that's also an excellent visual representation. I guess my point is that a numerical score is all well and good, but a simple visual representation is arguably a superior method of parsing a large number of items. Since the firehose project faces precisely this problem, being able to quickly visualise relative standings is invaluable.
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  16. Why not call it Slashdot Shovel? by east+coast · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all, it looks much like Digg already.

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  17. Re:Congradulations you get to drink for the Fireho by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    It's a pretty good bandwidth too.

  18. But does it go... by bushboy · · Score: 1

    ... up to 11?

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    1. Re:But does it go... by Vulva+R.+Thompson,+P · · Score: 1

      Sure does. Submit a creationism story to test it out.

  19. Re:I've tried it. It sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by your name, perhaps some time on the various gay porn sites would be more to your liking?

    Slashdot is just fine as it is and the firehose is a welcome addition.

    End of story.

  20. Opened stories disappearing by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be nice if stories that I have opened to read would not scroll off when more come through or fall off the 'hose or disappear because someone else voted it down below my filter setting. At least, not within the first two minutes of opening it. It happens before I have a chance to decide to click "Read more" to open in a new tab, and some (like bookmarks) have no "Read more" option.

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    1. Re:Opened stories disappearing by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you pause the firehose (menu item in the titlebar, also in the advanced preferences panel) then it won't disappear out from underneath you. That actually is a bit of a bug I think- we have code that prevents expanded entries from disappearing, but that may only be visible in the editor view ATM. The concern is that this could cause some wierd things to happen... like your page could just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger as you expand stories and don't close them. it might get unwieldly. But we'll check into it.

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    2. Re:Opened stories disappearing by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the worst instance was when the Firehose was automatically paused for inactivity for awhile. I expanded one article, and everything got flushed away as the pause was released.

      I guess an alternative would be to take the user to the page where the most recently opened item ended up and have it still be open. Could that be done in-place without refreshing to a new URI?

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    3. Re:Opened stories disappearing by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We're going to change the pause-for-inactive thing soon as well. We've decided that it's got a lot of problems, and our best bet is not to let you expand entries once you've timed out... but instead to give you a modal dialog asking you to tell us you're ready to continue.

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    4. Re:Opened stories disappearing by dargaud · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if stories that I have opened to read would not scroll off when more come through I concur, particularly when you leave the page open and come back to it after a while. The scrolling stops in the meanwhile. If you click on a title to read the story, all the new submission resume and the story you wanted to read scrolls off. It should stop at the one you try to open, at least for a few minutes.
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  21. Are you sure of the UHF reference? by monkeySauce · · Score: 1

    "Drink from the Firehose" sounds like something you are forced to do in prison, when you aren't bending over "to pick up the soap"

  22. O...M...G... by hellfire · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean, I can participate in improving the quality of the editorial process?

    Reduce dupes?

    Improve article summary quality?

    Filter irrelevant material?

    Tell Zonk to go to hell?

    *wicked evil grin blood-curdling cackle of glee*

    I welcome myself as your new overlord.

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  23. It rubs the lotion on its skin... by Blue+Trapezoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...or else it gets the Firehose again?

  24. cryptic flags? by nmrs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why use cryptic flags like -story and -journal that the user has to just magically know (i don't see any list of available flags by the filter box). Why not just use checkboxes or something of things to include? [x] stories [ ] journal

    1. Re:cryptic flags? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Eventually I suspect we will provide a pop-up dialog box with various checkboxes for you to noodle with, but for now the filter box is just simply 'word' and '-word' and we've defined a few things that are in various degrees of working. EG, hate me? -CmdrTaco and I'm gone. Not interested in linux stories? -Linux and you're done. Don't like journals? -journal etc etc... I think it's fairly obvious personally, but as we progress there will be more subtle keywords in there that will require documentation.

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    2. Re:cryptic flags? by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      I think it's fairly obvious personally, It's fairly obvious once someone clues you in to what the hyphen means, which means it's not intuitive at all. It's simple, clear, and useful, yes; but not intuitive.

      I first thought that the '-' was an additive tag marker, until I read your comment, then I realized it was a copy from google's search interface.
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    3. Re:cryptic flags? by discord5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      EG, hate me? -CmdrTaco and I'm gone.

      WOOHOO! Just what I was looking for

      I guess that means my karma is gone now, doesn't it? :)

    4. Re:cryptic flags? by rhizome · · Score: 1

      Why use cryptic flags like -story and -journal that the user has to just magically know (i don't see any list of available flags by the filter box). Why not just use checkboxes or something of things to include? [x] stories [ ] journal

      Checkboxes are not Web3.0 compliant.

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    5. Re:cryptic flags? by phantomlord · · Score: 1

      How about being able to filter by author and topic at the same time... ie, I don't want to see any kdawson politics stories but I might want to read a story he posts on a shuttle launch or I might also want to see a story another editor posts in the politics section. That way, people can go -kdawson*poltics or -zonk*games.

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    6. Re:cryptic flags? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      If this doesn't work, it will eventually. We have 2 search systems in place- one we're working to deprecate and the other which is very very beta. The plan is that you can do '-linux -cmdrtaco -yro' and get your Slashdot that way.

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  25. Opera by jeevesbond · · Score: 2, Informative

    Other browsers might work, but we haven't really tested them.

    I use the Firehose quite often with Opera and it seems to work as expected. I'll be letting you know if it stops working. ;)

    Having seen the evolution of the Firehose over the last few months I can say that it's definitely going in the right direction. Looks good, am particularly happy that a reason has to be given for modding stuff up/down. It makes me stop and think, rather than just modding things based upon my predisposed opinions.

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    1. Re:Opera by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      One thing on the modding tags - I'd like to be able to distinguish between stories I don't think are worth the front page and bad summaries of those stories. Sure, there's "slownewsday" specifically for bad stories, but "notthebest" or "stupid" could easily mean either - the tags just aren't very precise. Some way to let the editors know "hey, take a look at this, and consider cleaning the summary up or writing a whole new one before putting it on the front page."

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    2. Re:Opera by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Start tagging things then... we'll see what sticks... 'badsummary' has been tossed around 'typo' or 'badtitle'? We don't have the answers, but the hope is that a few weeks from now it will be very obvious what needs to happen.

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    3. Re:Opera by sethadam1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Firehouse may work, but Discussion2 almost always freezes up Opera for me. I had to go back to the old system just to get a story page to load without bringing my processor to 100%

      Opera 9.2/Windows XP SP2

    4. Re:Opera by jeevesbond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Opera 9.2/Windows XP SP2

      I had the same problem on Ubuntu until Opera brought out 9.22.

      I've seen videos of Hakon Lie using Opera on the OLPC to read /. so if there's a problem which stops /. working properly on Opera I doubt it will be a problem for long. :)

      Perhaps the /. devs should give more credibility to Opera, since they obviously have some fans high-up in the company!

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    5. Re:Opera by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Does clicking on the + or - without clicking one of the modding tags do anything? It's a bit unclear.

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    6. Re:Opera by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      Not only does it do something, but it SHOULD be clear (the button should visibly appear depressed after you clicked it)

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    7. Re:Opera by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh the button was visibly depressed alright. Frankly, it's probably a good thing he didn't have access to any prescription medication and/or firearms.

    8. Re:Opera by nuzak · · Score: 1

      I wasn't sure whether the button being pressed meant it registered or whether it was just a visual effect that didn't reset. Good to know that it does register.

      Speaking of votes though, the feature I'd love to see, over and above all others, is the ability to vote "neutral" or "abstain" or "meh" or "shrug" or whatever on a submission. There's a vast amount of stuff in the firehose that I don't really care about, where the writeup is just okay but not spectacular, on subject matter that might really interest some other nerds. I'd like to just clear it off my screen without having to register an opinion.

      Or does adding any tag to an article do that? A button still would be ideal.

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    9. Re:Opera by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      There's no reason you couldn't just take things as 'meh' and move on... the system has positive tags and negative tags defined. A short list for each. But everything else is up for grabs.

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  26. Firehose questions by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why isn't there a "troll" or "flamebait" option in the minus sign menu? These apply to a lot of the journal rants, and several of the submissions too, but the closest thing you can mod them is "stupid".

    Is there a way to set the view to show more than 25 entries at a time?

    If you click the plus or minus sign, but don't provide a reason in the menu that comes up, does the plus or minus rating still take effect?

    1. Re:Firehose questions by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Informative

      For now most of the labels in there are just place holders. We'll see what works. More so- those labels are just tags. You can tag a story as 'flamebait' or 'troll' if you like. We intend to watch what people organically choose, and incorporate those ideas as they rise up. The plan is that subscribers will have an option to view 50 entries at a time. It's on the list. The minus will still work. All you are doing is tagging the story as 'nix'. But if you tag it as 'Offtopic' then you are tagging it with both nix AND offtopic. We like more data. It can only better inform the system.

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    2. Re:Firehose questions by colonslashslash · · Score: 1

      How about having a select element which pulls the top N most used tags out of the database, perhaps having some standardised ones for the main filters too - "-journal", "-stories" etc, then an input element next to it for user entered tags? That way, we could choose a tag if one already exists (and prevent some needless duplication / variations), but if there isn't a relevant tag we can add it in and you still get to collect new tags.

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    3. Re:Firehose questions by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      there's already an autocomplete function, but I don't think it handles '-' tags yet. It probably should.

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    4. Re:Firehose questions by colonslashslash · · Score: 1

      Ah ok, my bad. The autocomplete function looks a lot smoother than what I suggested. I just tried out the "-" tags, you're right, it suggests positive tags when you enter in anything prefixed with a minus. That should be pretty straightforward to fix though, right?

      To be honest, I hadn't even looked at the hose for a couple of months... I tried to check it out this morning after seeing this post, but my intertubes decided to clog up and I had to run to work. It's looking really good now though, much better than when I first tried it out. Nice work man.

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  27. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 1

    While the comment above is indeed flamebait (for the bad attitude), I find that the Firehose does indeed suck, at least for me.

    This is not a flame, but a reasoned comment made after testing the thing out many multiples of times. I try using the thing almost every day and while it worked okay at first, it started not working at all for me about a week or two ago.

    The problem is that when the slider is set to the first step in the "purple" range, I get nothing but a huge list of stories spammed from Science Daily. This is their RSS feed of course, but surprisingly, I get no other stories at all. I do not get other RSS feeds, no matter how low I dial the setting (towards the black), and if I raise the setting out of the purple even to the very next "step," all stories disappear completely. I can continue "stepping" up towards the orange, red, etc. and no stories appear at all, all the way to the left. This has been the case for about a week and a half now and I stopped even trying to use it about 5 days ago, although I still check back in once in a while to see if it's working again.

    Obviously I am doing something wrong here, but it's not clear to me what it is. Even though I can find literelly no stories in the firehose sometimes, when I go back to the main screen, there are new stories that have been approved while I was in the firehose. I have even left the firehose open for an hour or two once to see if it was a time-based issue and perhaps the stories were just less frequent than I imagined, but no dice.

    I kind of hope that I am the only one that can't make this thing work as it would be a really unfair proposition if this experience was widespread, but here is one intelligent, reasonably capable person, who is really trying, and really interested in making the firehose work, but who hasn't got the firehose to work at all for quite a while now.

  28. Not Falling For That Again by organgtool · · Score: 1

    After a certain incident in a park, I'm much less likely to "drink from a firehose" again.

  29. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by bhima · · Score: 1

    Yep, it sucks alright.. as in being a Slashdot 'editor' sucks...

    I have no idea if it works or not, I didn't use enough to find out

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  30. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real problem with that is that we have historically very low data sampling for purple and lower stories. The hope is that once a few hundred readers turn their OCD juices on, that we'll have enough data to make better judgement on this content. It doesn't really take many people to make that happen. It just takes more than what we have now. Since almost everyone reads at blue, the purple area rapidly become a skeleton graveyard of RSS feeds.

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  31. Ooops... by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

    So spank my ass and mod me redundant.

    Did something changed from the last time I used the firehose, my javascript has been acting weird, or I'm just plain stupid. Because I click the minus, and bam, there was "Dupe". What have I been smoking...?

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  32. Maybe that's why the button obscures the title... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...at least that's one reason.

  33. Article tagged: digg by everphilski · · Score: 1

    n/t

  34. Bug? Feature? Weirdness? by wiredog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I can comment on stories that are submitted, but not yet accepted. Intended behavior?

    What happens to the comments if the story gets dumped?

  35. Re:Bug? Feature? Weirdness? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is intentional. The hope is that readers will find benefit from the ability to discuss entries as they rise and fall in the hose.

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  36. New Category: QUICKIE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've been manning the hose for a while. Sometimes I have to reject a story that's a perfect fit for slashdot subject matter, but just isn't "big enough" to be a full story, since full stories have to be meaty enough to soak up comments for about an hour until the next story gets published.

    It would be cool to have a place for the worthy small-fry stories, while keeping slashdot's overall big-stories-only-on-the-front-page approach. Right now that place is digg, which is too free-for-all for my taste.

  37. Bug? by Catil · · Score: 1

    After setting it to sort by popularity and then back to sort by time, the icon indicates that it's sorting by time, but instead it's still sorted by popularity. Pressing the icon again doesn't change anything anymore. I tried to reset to defaults in the preferences, but that opens this page, which seems to be empty. I am using Firefox 2.0.0.6.

    Also, when it still worked, I noticed that changing the color from red to orange shows red and orange content. I think it would be much better, if there was an option to only show orange. I, for one, like to browse through the quality content first and when I still have the time and feel for it, lower the threshold to browse through other stuff some more. Still showing the content I already looked at makes that very uncomfortable.

  38. Oh yeah? Well I'm BLIND, you insensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah? Well I'm BLIND, you insensitive clod!

  39. Filter /. frontpage stories by The_DoubleU · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can I filter stories that are already on the frontpage, I don't want to see them in firehose. I don't see the need to mod these stories as they are already on a frontpage and me down modding them will not remove them.

    Tagging for these stories can be done on the frontpage itself.

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  40. I don't like it. by DigitalReverend · · Score: 1

    I use the Firefox plugin Web Developer ( http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ ) to turn off page images and colors and to use firehose I have to turn both back on. To me this would be similar to requiring people to turn off NoScript. I hope the regular old method of browsing /. continues on.

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  41. 30 seconds o' testing... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    > Well now we're ready to start having everybody test it out.

    Using I.E. 6.0 SP 1 from XP...

    Bug 1) Filter button is smack dab in the middle of the rainbow slider, with "Filter" under the rainbow, unreadable.

    Bug 2) Listing of stories to mod does not appear, vertically, until after all my boxes on the right (e.g. Book Reviews, Games, Hollywood Bitchslap, etc.) People with a lot of boxes will have to scroll quite aways before they get there. This may or may not have something to do with text display size. In any case, it should be side-by-side to the right-hand box column.

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    1. Re:30 seconds o' testing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said use a web browser. WTF are you doing using IE?

  42. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 1

    This makes sense, but I still have to assume that there is some kind of classic "dumb move" being made on my part as this explanation does not completely cover what I have experienced. My experience (for the last few days), is a complete lack of stories of *any* kind except for Science Daily RSS, and then only when I am on that one purple "notch" of the scale.

    I will have to do some actual, repeatable experimentation to back myself up and find out what the heck I am doing wrong. Possibly the fact that it's now "live" will give me a different result, or possibly I am just not waiting long enough for stories to show up.

  43. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know what to tell you except that once a story falls from blue to indigo, the small group of active hose users won't see it any more because they mostly browse at blue or so. And all RSS feeds start at indigo. Like I said- it's messy down there, and only more involved eyeballs will really solve the "Problem" which I don't think is that big of a deal. Blue is the middle of the curve. It's where the action is. Go from there. If you really got time to kill, visit indigo.

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  44. Linking submissions/ by Pentagram · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be good to be able to link submissions together, as in "these are the same story". Flagging a submission as "dupe" is logically awkward if there are several submissions covering the same story from a different angle. Do you flag the weakest submissions as the dupe or the later ones? Not sure how that would work interface-wise though.

    1. Re:Linking submissions/ by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      This precise feature request is on my TODO list. It's a hard UI problem tho.

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    2. Re:Linking submissions/ by ShecoDu · · Score: 1

      How about marking a story, browsing to another story as usual and performing linked actions between the active story and the marked story.

      Maybe even marking several stories/objects and performing actions on one or more of those objects. (and an action to clear the list or some of the objects of the list) But I think this is a little far fetched.

  45. Can't participate by mdielmann · · Score: 1

    I'm really interested, but I can't participate. Corporate policy is currently for IE 6. I'm guessing so we can keep testing the firewall, and keep us off of /. One out of two ain't bad. ...wait, surf from home? You mean people actually come here when they aren't (supposed to be) working?

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  46. IE 7 issue, the whole colour bar moves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I IE7 the whole colour bar can be dragged left to right, rather then just the gray slide handle.

  47. Moderation of RSS feeds? by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

    The best way to stop spam is to kill it at its source, in this case the RSS feed itself. One method might be direct moderation of the RSS feeds that slashdot imports, or you could give feeds a karma rating that's derived from the moderation of its story submissions. Either way, a story's initial color should be derived from its feed's rating, so that items from CNet, Bruce Schneir's blog and Penny Arcade might all start out yellow or orange, while stories from less reputable sources would start out as indigo or even black. I wonder if you could move to an entirely RSS-driven submission system? The current submission process could be replaced by requiring user-submitted stories to start as a journal posting, maybe with a special author-added tag.

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    1. Re:Moderation of RSS feeds? by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      These are exactly the sorts of experiments I would love to play with as we iron the more glaring deficiencies in this system.

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  48. Unreadable titles by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 1

    Displaying with Simple and Lowbandwidth design, the story titles are unreadable (black text on dark cyan background).

    Can provide screenshot if requested.

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    1. Re:Unreadable titles by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 1

      Sorry, make that Gray text on Dark Cyan.

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  49. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by nuzak · · Score: 1

    Might I suggest requiring any RSS feed submissions to be pre-tagged with a tag indicating which feed they're from? That way they can be filtered out.

    Actually how about a policy that simply forbids automated submissions like that as spam? Interested people already have slashboxes, and if it's really newsworthy, someone's going to submit it by hand.

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  50. Slightly OT - Are tags even working? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't been able to save tags to anything since around yesterday. I get the "tags have been saved" prompt but then the text box clears and they don't show up, either in my user tags or on the article. Obviously others have been able to tag this article so I know it's working in general...is it possible my tag access got revoked for some reason?

  51. Monochrome is better by AlpineR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not colorblind, but I agree that a rainbow spectrum is a bad idea. In a color circle, violet is closer to red than green is. Having violet equal bad and red equal good is confusing. Anything spanning more than 180 degrees of a color circle will be. And certain colors, like yellow, stand out more psychologically, giving a strange emphasis to stories with scores around 60%.

    The best solution might be monochromatic: black to white, or white to red. Or have black be neutral, red be positive, and blue be negative with monochromatic gradients in between. That'd be like a good elevation map: green to brown for increasing altitude of land, light blue to dark blue for increasing depth of water.

    AlpineR

  52. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

    Brilliant. In fact, thats exactly how it works :)

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  53. how is subscriber 'value added' material handled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today subscribers can see articles before they get posted to the front page. How it that handled with the firehose? Do articles disappear from the hose once they're approved but before they are on the front page?

  54. Ron Paul is a great guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I thought this was digg.

    Sorry.

  55. OT Suggestion by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    It would be nice if the dynamic ajax comment update marked new comments as being new (If you're familiar with kuro5hin/scoop, new comments are marked as "[new]" (in red). It would make catching new comments easier (and should be trivial to implement).

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    1. Re:OT Suggestion by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      It's on the todo list.

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  56. Visual Errors in Opera by HolyCause · · Score: 1

    I'm getting a slight graphical error of what I would assume is a CSS error. I tried it out in Firefox but not Opera - only shows up in Opera. What happens is that the coloured bar doesn't completely wrap around when viewing in a non-fullscreen mode.

    Since I keep my taskbar at the side and off auto-hide, it's a constant error. Also happens if I decide to view the page in windowed mode: screenshot. There are also other wrapping issues in Opera =\

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  57. Yes, but I want to know... by Phu5ion · · Score: 1

    When are we going to get the "YOU SO STUPID!" section?

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  58. Does having Firehose mean... by Uzbek · · Score: 1

    that Dvorak articles will never make it to the front page from now on?

  59. Editing. A Simple Primer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Editing: Putting something (as a literary work or a legislative bill) into acceptable form for publication or presentation by correcting, revising, or adapting.

        An example:

    part of why Slashdot is relevant is because us editors exist and prevent... we editors

    More than half of Slashdot readership is only interested in the articles those editors you hate so much. [butthead] uhhh... uh-huhuh-huh... He said editors.[/butthead]

    ...we need to strike a balance between what works for each groups particular needs. each group's particular needs

  60. Dumpster diving by ynotds · · Score: 1

    We've seen a marked increase in spammers flooding us with garbage.
    At least a couple of currently low traffic forums I visit have recently suffered very different spam attacks, one from what seemed like a bot net trying to develop a toehold for unsolicited advertising and the other by a crazed vigilante pushing her own perverted agenda. On the one that runs my code, I've made a couple of minor coding changes to block much and make the rest easier to deal with and have ideas for a few other defensive tactics if they are needed.

    Unrelated, I've also intended for nine years to institute a three dimensional/colour rating system: one indicating endorsement/agreement, a second rejection/opposition and the third recognition/importance, to draw others' attention to the item without implying a value judgment. Feel free to steal it unproven if you like.
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  61. Solidot has Chinese support for slash by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

    On the UTF-8 support topic, this post from May 2006 on the slash dev mailing list (link here, but scrambled by sourceforge), the maintainer of Solidot successfully modified slash to support Chinese characters. Maybe the dev team could reuse their patches? Does it works? Yes, here's the proof.

    1. Re:Solidot has Chinese support for slash by jamie · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna pass on those patches at least for now...

      I posted this comment successfully... on Safari and Mac Firefox its text displays as "hgfedcba". On MSIE 6 the comment doesn't display at all, and on MSIE 7 it displays as "abcdefgh".

      The reason is that the first character in the comment is the Unicode character for "right-to-left embedding." Some browsers respect it, some don't. We would strip it if we ever allowed unicode generally on Slashdot, because it causes too much confusion (you could literally write a comment that read one way on firefox and another way on MSIE, bringing chaos and confusion to moderation, aka, it makes trolling easier).

      To make things worse, I was able to crash Solidot 100% repeatably by appending an "i" to that comment text. Not sure why.

      There's all kinds of wacky characters in the unicode standard, and we hold to the belief that it's unacceptable to try to screen them out... maybe at some point we'll get around to figuring out some ranges we can allow but it's still not a high priority and, as is obvious, it's quite possible to do it wrong.

  62. Re: not flamebait, but it does (kinda) suck. by StikyPad · · Score: 0, Troll

    We don't use emoticons on Slashdot. You must be new here.

  63. More data in the feed... by Tokimasa · · Score: 1

    With the (more) widespread use of event processing (http://www.complexevents.com/) technology, you can create custom RSS filtering that is far more expressive than any filtering currently in place. The more information you provide in the RSS feed, the more I can apply these technologies to Slashdot's firehose. :)

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  64. This could be potentially awesome... by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...if they manage to include rejected stories in the history mechanism. Damn shame we can't see the rejected stories from 1996-2007, I'm sure there would be some interesting gems lost among the tripe.

  65. w00t w00t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's a hottie who works in accounting who's gonna be drinking from my hose this weekend, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, if you know what i mean.

    (i'm talking about my penis)

  66. Looks like ass in Light Mode by rho · · Score: 1

    The text is unreadable. No contrast.

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  67. Oh i see your logic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You would rather exclude millions of people from participating period, and comply to 'web standards' instead very informative!

    If I ever put out a product for a client the way the slashdot front page looks I would pretty much be fired. It has to look DECENT (not perfect) in all browsers. overlapping shit is unacceptable for anyone who considers themselfs a professional coder period. People who put 'SWITCH TO FIREFOX NOW' on their site are retards also. Someone who has no idea (or has no privlidges to install software) is not going to care about what firefox is. They just want to browse the internet.

    Stop being so fucking hard headed people. Here I read cmdrtaco thanking people about colorblind features and considerations. What is the use of a colorblind feature if a noob user who browses with IE only by default is going to see overlapping text? Useless.

  68. Re:Bug? Feature? Weirdness? by coolGuyZak · · Score: 1

    Would there be a chance to maintain the comments created in the hose? Granted, we should be using the hose comments to discuss modding the story... but, hey, this is Slashdot. What happens if the article is crap, but firehose users don't want to lose a particular comment thread?

  69. Slashdot Firehose by Zepalesque · · Score: 1

    DUGG!

  70. Firehose Tag Editor Broken in Firefox by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

    There's a problem when using the tag triangle on the right of the article to open the tag editor in Firefox. After the tag editor expands, the list of tags overlaps the, "Read More", link and the # of comments. At this point, the tag editor cannot be closed, and obscured tags cannot be clicked on.

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  71. Renaming Tabs Broken by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

    Renaming the tabs doesn't work. You can click on the, "Edit this tab", button, but after you type something into the text box, there is no way to accept the change. I've tried just pressing return, but that doesn't work. I've tried looking for a button, but all that I see is the RSS button. How do you rename a tab?

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  72. Just logged in users? by WinchesterPC.Com · · Score: 1

    "Logged in users have noticed for some time the request to drink from the Slashdot Firehose." I'd used it plenty before I even had a /. account. I just opened the page, and there it was. I always thought everyone had it... By the way, it seems to work fine in Konqueror, too. I haven't tested it a whole lot in Konqi, tho.

  73. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  74. Exclusing people by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > You would rather exclude millions of people

    There are millions of people using IE on platforms not supported by Firefox?

    > Someone who has no idea (or has no privlidges to install software) is not going to care about what
    > firefox is. They just want to browse the internet.

    And you feel that people who can't install software or have heard of FireFox is the core demographics of /.?

  75. Lurkers by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    > More than half of Slashdot readership is only interested in the articles those editors you hate so much.
    > Perhaps a third of you are 'The Community'

    I suspect you overestimate the size of the "community" with one or two orders of magnitude.

    Maybe one in ten sometimes reads the comments, and one in hundred ever writes a comment.

    1. Re:Lurkers by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      No, I don't estimate. I do mysql SELECT count() statements and get the actual numbers :)

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    2. Re:Lurkers by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should start checking who I'm replying to.

      The 1:10:100 statistics is from old Usenet / arbitron numbers, I guess the younger generations are much more involved.

    3. Re:Lurkers by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      We have better response rates than that... but it's nowhere near what some people think it is. A full half of Slashdot readers don't care in the slightest about the discussions. Don't read 'em at all. They read the index and nothing more. The other half of the site is a fairly self selecting group and they tend to participate more. More importantly to me- most of our submissions for stories come from the same users who submit comments. So improving the discussions is key to getting better submissions.

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  76. Allow users to submit alternate abstracts by gnalle · · Score: 1

    How about allowing users to submit an alternate abstract to a story in the firehose. Sometimes the links in a slashdot story are placed in a confusing way or the abstract would gain from some extra information. If you allow users to submit a complete alternate abstract then it is easy for the editor to choose the best abstract for the story. Eventually the readers will gain.

    1. Re:Allow users to submit alternate abstracts by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      How about allowing users to submit an alternate abstract to a story in the firehose.

      This is a good idea - there are often good ways and bad ways to submit a story, I've often seen perfectly good stories in the firehose with rubbish summaries. Also there might be additional or more notable relevant links for the story.

      This can already be done by commenting on the story - though for some reason I don't know why, only some stories in the firehose allow comments?

  77. 30 second movie summary by StringBlade · · Score: 1

    ...using out-of-context quotes...

    I made your favorite...a Twinkie-dog!

    Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.

    [In the TV show "Conan the Librarian"]
    Young book customer: [Whimpering before Conan slices him in half] These books are a little overdue.


    Hello, this is Sy Greenblum, president of Spatula City. I like the spatulas so much, I bought the company.

    Kuni: Ahhh, a red snapper. Mmmmm, very tasty. Okay, Weaver, listen carefully. You can hold on to your red snapper...
    [Hiro-San emerges, carrying a table with a box]
    Kuni: ...or you can go for what's in the box that Hiro-San is bringing down the aisle right now! What's it gonna be?
    [Phyllis Weaver has difficulty in choosing as the audience point to the box]
    Phyllis Weaver: I'll take the box. The box!
    [applause]
    Kuni: You took the box? Let's see what's in the box!
    [Hiro-san opens the box; the audience gasps. There is a silence]
    Kuni: Nothing! Absolutely nothing! STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!


    For those of you just joining us, today we're teaching poodles how to fly.

    Oh, Joel Miller, you've just found the marble in the oatmeal. You're a lucky, lucky, lucky little boy. 'Cause you know why? You get to drink from... the FIRE HOOOOOSE!

    Badgers? Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers.

    [jumps out from behind a door marked "Supplies] Supplies!

    This town means about as much to me as a festering bowl of dog snot.

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  78. IE6 by samael · · Score: 1

    I'm at work. We run XP. With IE6. This _may_ change in the next, ooh, three years, but being a big financial company we tend to move with appalling slowness when it comes to our machines.

    Looking around, it seems that you're cutting off somewhere between 25 and 50% of users from the system. I don't know what the stats are like for /. itself, but I'd be surprised if it was much less than 30%.

  79. Wrong site by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 1

    What you are talking about is Kuro5hin's edit queue, not Slahdot.

  80. There are times by wiredog · · Score: 1
    where I miss the old Slashdot that I first encountered back in the late 20th century.

    I wonder how hard it would be to track down my first comment, and the first story I got posted.

  81. + menu off screan by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    My CSS rules remove the left hand menu, thank you.
    The is that the '+' menu is also off the screen.
    Would it be possible to move that menu to the right
    like the '-' menu. aTdHvAaNnKcSe

  82. Alternative browsers? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

    Is there some reason you can't install Firefox or Opera on your own machine, just locally? There's a portable version of Firefox that requires no special permissions to execute, doesn't use an installer, and can be run from a single folder (which can be placed on a flash drive, hence "portable"). There are other methods that may work, depending on your situation, but portable Firefox may be the best bet.

    I'm very, very sorry you still have to use that sorry excuse for a browser. My work machine also has IE6, but I don't need to *use* it, thankfully.

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    1. Re:Alternative browsers? by samael · · Score: 1

      Installing our own software is a sacking offense.

      And non-IS staff don't even have that option, as their own C drives are forbidden to them.

      At home, of course, I use Firefox :->

    2. Re:Alternative browsers? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Would running a user-permissions binary from a flashdrive count? It doesn't put anything on the hard disk (I believe it works even if there is no writeable hard disk). Firefox Portable uses its own directory (on the flashdrive, if you run it from there) to store its user configuration and such. It can store themes, bookmarks, and extensions there, and many plugins (Flash, etc.) as well.

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    3. Re:Alternative browsers? by samael · · Score: 1

      USB ports are turned off.

      We're a financial company. Paranoid doesn't begin to describe how we feel about users being able to run off with data.

      Doesn't mean they _can't_ but all of the really obvious routes are locked down.

  83. the register by naringas · · Score: 1

    every story I've ever seen in the firehose is from the register. all of them. If I wanted to look at the register stories I would go there. this is /. god damn the register