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Winnie Wrote a Math Book

SoyChemist writes "Hollywood is not known for providing a wealth of positive female role models. Danica McKellar, the actress that played Winnie Cooper on The Wonder Years and Elsie Snuffin on The West Wing, has written a math book for teenage girls. 'Math Doesn't Suck' is done in the style of a teen magazine. It even includes a horoscope, cute doodles of shoes and jewelry, and testimonials from attractive young career women that use math at work. It focuses on fractions and pre-algebra and uses mnemonics like calling a reciprocal a 'refliprocal', because you just take the fraction and flip it upside down. Wired interviewed McKellar about the new book and her crusade to eliminate the achievement gap between boys and girls in math courses. McKellar graduated Summa Cum Laude from UCLA. While studying there, she co-authored a proof and presented it at a conference. After she and Mayim Bialik — star of Blossom and a PhD in neuroscience — appeared in a 20/20 episode about intellectual actresses, several literary agents came knocking on her door."

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  1. Barbie disagrees by NJVil · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in 1994, Barbie thought differently.

    Math is hard!

    1. Re:Barbie disagrees by purpledinoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I applaud this effort. I really really wish there were more women in tech. It would have made my university life more enjoyable. And work would be more fun too....

    2. Re:Barbie disagrees by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should've seen what he thought back in 1944.

    3. Re:Barbie disagrees by huckamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hard and doesn't suck are two different things. Unless you are talking about basic math, it generally is hard. The only class I ever dropped at Uni was a math class.* I thought I was failing but the teacher was actually grading on a curve. She said I was one of the top students. Key word being 'She'. In fact almost all of my math teachers have been women.

      It's almost degrading to women that people keep bringing this stuff up. Condescending might be the right word. Like when someone feels the need to comment about how well Colin Powell speaks. There's an unspoken 'and he's black' that is left hanging for the listener to fill in by themselves.

      I get the same feeling everytime I see a story about how some person is the first X to do Y. I get an image of them being patted on the head and someone saying, 'Gee, you're a hero to X people every where, it only took all of recorded history for you Xers to get off your fat lazy assess and do Y, but golly, you finally did, great job. Now go find some other dubious achievement you Xers haven't got around too yet and be the first in that too.'.

      Still, Winnie was hot and I always knew she had brains.

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      *I didn't need the credit and wanted to keep my grade point at the honors level. CS was put in with the Natural Sciences like interior decorating, who all seemed to graduate Summa Cum Laude, which blew out the GPA for everyone else.

    4. Re:Barbie disagrees by gatzke · · Score: 4, Funny

      But is it NP-hard?

    5. Re:Barbie disagrees by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back in 1994, Barbie thought differently.

      Math is hard!

      ...only for sufficient values of "hard".

      /P

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    6. Re:Barbie disagrees by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's almost degrading to women that people keep bringing this stuff up. Condescending might be the right word. Like when someone feels the need to comment about how well Colin Powell speaks. There's an unspoken 'and he's black' that is left hanging for the listener to fill in by themselves.

      In Engineering at a university down the road from Harvard, my only female engineering/math/physics teacher was for Statics. She was also one of the early lead engineers for the Big Dig (a marvel of engineering, despite its flaws).

      The thing with Colin Powell is that you expect either rambling bluster a la most politicians (he's more of a statesman though), or a James Earl Jones bass voice. Instead, he has this nice tenor voice delivering complete sentences. It's a rarity in the human race, especially with government and military figures, to have a voice and demeanor that gives the appearance of thoughtfulness. It's why people would vote for him if he ran for public office.

    7. Re:Barbie disagrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's almost degrading to women that people keep bringing this stuff up. Condescending might be the right word.

      No, what's condescending is including horoscopes and cute doodles of shoes and jewelry. WTF!?

      Like when someone feels the need to comment about how well Colin Powell speaks. There's an unspoken 'and he's black' that is left hanging for the listener to fill in by themselves.

      No, the unspoken thing is "in stark contrast to the president". His race has nothing to do with it. When your Commander-in-Thief speaks like a semi-retarded gibbon, it makes everybody who can pronounce "nuclear" appear as eloquent as a poet.

    8. Re:Barbie disagrees by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like when someone feels the need to comment about how well Colin Powell speaks. There's an unspoken 'and he's black' that is left hanging for the listener to fill in by themselves.

      It's funny how people choose which races to recognize and which ones not. You could've replaced the unspoken with 'and he's Scottish', which is an equally valid statement. But you didn't, and why it seems obvious that you didn't is the heart of the issue.

      There's nothing wrong with marketing towards certain kinds of women though. There's been plenty of math and philosophy courses filled with sport metaphors to market to jocks. Why not one build one around fashion? Anything that gets people learning is good, whether or not I'd personally appreciate it.

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    9. Re:Barbie disagrees by Applekid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's funny how people choose which races to recognize and which ones not. You could've replaced the unspoken with 'and he's Scottish', which is an equally valid statement. But you didn't, and why it seems obvious that you didn't is the heart of the issue. If GP is anything like me, he had no idea he's Scottish.

      The point I think that was trying to be conveyed was a suggestion. How about this: how about we judge a person on the person and not the lineage from which they descend? How about we judge a person on the person and not the gender to which they belong?

      Next thing you know they'll be targeting educational materials to fat people by using less word problems involving apples and more word problems involving Baconators.
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    10. Re:Barbie disagrees by blzabub · · Score: 2, Funny

      semi-retarded?

    11. Re:Barbie disagrees by risk+one · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's almost degrading to women that people keep bringing this stuff up. Condescending might be the right word. Like when someone feels the need to comment about how well Colin Powell speaks. There's an unspoken 'and he's black' that is left hanging for the listener to fill in by themselves.

      I always fill that in with 'and he was in the Bush administration.'

    12. Re:Barbie disagrees by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There needs to be a masculist movement or something to counteract the "matriarchy and their filthy trial-lawyer myrmidons".

      Actually, is it even OK to suggest that?

    13. Re:Barbie disagrees by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the quote is "Math class is tough," and only 1.5% of all Teen Talk Barbies said that phrase. If you find one now, it's worth quite a bit of money. (And I'll bet more than 1.5% of the population actually thinks that math class is tough.)

      </barbienerd>

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    14. Re:Barbie disagrees by mackyrae · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, I'm a teenage girl and there is a chunk of the teenage-girl-population that I swear speaks a different language. If someone figured out how to translate math into their language, good for them.

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    15. Re:Barbie disagrees by tguyton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'Math Doesn't Suck' is done in the style of a teen magazine. It even includes a horoscope, cute doodles of shoes and jewelry, and testimonials from attractive young career women that use math at work. It focuses on fractions and pre-algebra and uses mnemonics like calling a reciprocal a 'refliprocal', because you just take the fraction and flip it upside down.

      Degrading and condescending, indeed. While it is great that she's trying to get girls more interested in math, this is sending completely the wrong message. I think it's horrendous that society thinks the only way to interest teenage girls in things like math and science is to trick them into it with horoscopes and shoes. And math shouldn't be dumbed down by renaming things because words like 'reciprocal' are just too hard. Things like this disgust and insult me. I don't enjoy being treated like a less-intelligent species just because I don't have a penis.

    16. Re:Barbie disagrees by natedubbya · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm still amazed at how people still push to help girls succeed. It makes me think it has become a larger political issue about advancing women's views, and not because they are actually struggling. All the recent evidence points to girls succeeding beyond boys, and yet, where are the pro-boy programs? You will always be able to point out a specific area of work that men outnumber women, or vice versa, but that doesn't mean we should rectify that "problem". There's a much larger issue where boys are being left behind.

      Women have outnumbered men at colleges for ~25 years now. Women outnumber men 58% to 42%.

      75 percent of girls aim for college degrees vs. 66 percent of boys

      The study found that not only are girls in the nation's 100 largest school districts graduating at a ">72 percent rate versus 65 percent for their male counterparts, but that the gender gap is even wider among minority students.

    17. Re:Barbie disagrees by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Insightful

      *scratches head*

      Odd. I've worked with women in my tech field for 22 years. I treat them with respect and have never had any trouble. Nobody in my area has any trouble with the women, except for one blatherskite who was fond of discussing their secondary sexual characteristics. He crashed and burned.

    18. Re:Barbie disagrees by Xtravar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point I think that was trying to be conveyed was a suggestion. How about this: how about we judge a person on the person and not the lineage from which they descend? How about we judge a person on the person and not the gender to which they belong?

      Next thing you know they'll be targeting educational materials to fat people by using less word problems involving apples and more word problems involving Baconators. Well, you see, that's how they maximize profits - by identifying groups of people and exploiting their desire and insecurities.

      It just so happens that women have gotten the worst end of it. You aren't pretty? You need some makeup like a clown! Still aren't pretty? Here are some diet pills! Still not? Show off your anorexic figure with these new clothes! What, men still don't love you? Then you need Cosmopolitan to teach you how to properly service and manipulate them.

      Marketing is EVIL and it destroys love, peace, and all that is good in this world. Marketing to women is the most despicable thing on the planet and anyone who does so is Satan. Have you seen those Bratz dolls? They are little slutty dolls, now in BABY form... teaching little girls what's important in life! Being popular, getting men to like them!

      If you don't buy our product, no one will love you and you'll be all alone! Boo fucking hoo - more people will really like you if you're not a consumer drone anyway.

      Start changing culture, one person at a time, with your attitude toward this horse shit. Fellow nerds and outcasts: do you want a girl who is slutty, manipulative, and flaky or do you want a woman who can match your wit? Do you like painted up whores because society tells you that's what you should want? The problem is, you really can't have both at the same time.

      Now, this book seems to have a genuine interest in expanding girls' horizons. I don't know if it's the right way to do it, but it's a lot better than another book on how to please your man.
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    19. Re:Barbie disagrees by cyphercell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some Women fear being left alone with what might be an abusive chauvinist.

      Some Men fear being left alone with what might be an abusive, lying, conniving, devious wench.

      Either way, you shouldn't discredit his fear of abuse anymore than you should discount those of a woman. I know from experience that contact with the wrong woman can easily become a life changing event. In fact I've been suffering with an inability to commit for several years, based on fear alone. I couldn't imagine going through that kind of abuse at work, and then having to deal with a happy home falling apart because of some psychotic woman I had to go on the road with.

      The really unfortunate issue here is that work is actually a great place to determine if someone is safe before you hook up with them, many men and women feel this way, because you can actually get to know people at work seeing them day in and day out.

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    20. Re:Barbie disagrees by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Informative
      It seems faintly dangerous to treat a female co-worker even one iota different from a male co-worker.

      Actually you have to treat them very differently. I can make off-color jokes with my male co-workers. I can make physical contact with my male co-workers. I can go to a bar after work with my male co-workers. If I were the type of guy to treat people like shit, I could do so, with my male underling co-workers.

      Sexual harassment cases of the hostile-environment variety result from sex differences in what men and women perceive as "overly sexual" or "hostile" behavior. Many women legitimately complain that they have been subjected to abusive, intimidating, and degrading treatment by their male coworkers. Browne points out that long before women entered the labor force, men subjected each other to such abusive, intimidating, and degrading treatment. Abuse, intimidation, and degradation are all part of men's repertoire of tactics employed in competitive situations. In other words, men are not treating women differently from men--the definition of discrimination, under which sexual harassment legally falls--but the opposite: Men harass women precisely because they are not discriminating between men and women.http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto- 20070622-000002.xml
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    21. Re:Barbie disagrees by SageMusings · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, you have to treat the devious wenches as lawsuit bait from the moment they set foot in your department

      I concur wholeheartedly. I have witnessed people go down hard because the organization chose to prevent the possibility of a lawsuit by placating a female by firing a male for the most banal, unsubstantiated fluff.

      My personal protection mechanism is to interact only much as necessary for me to remain employed. It's sad to act this way but reality is harsh. I really like women, too. There is just no way I can afford to jeopardize my livelihood on perceived harrassment.

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    22. Re:Barbie disagrees by DuckDodgers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some women are obnoxious. Some men are obnoxious. Asshole behavior is not bound by gender.

      The two female developers I work with periodically are quite competent, and neither has told me their life story.

    23. Re:Barbie disagrees by Teriblows · · Score: 2, Insightful

      um... lets just see if winnie marries a nerd. i doubt it. the simple fact is women want to marry a man with equal or higher education and should earn more money than them. men on the other hand don't care as much as long as the girl is pretty. there are basic evolutionary reasons for this, you won't get rid of it through attempts at social programming. as for marketing, isn't this push just another form of marketing? the only thing that matters in life is math!! please...its like pretending everyone should have an mba. girls that like math dont need this condescending book, and those that dont..dont either. as for being pretty, self improvement is a sin? everyone does it, math nerds included, including spending way too much time fretting over academics. its time for people to stop blaming everyone other than themselves. whats this obsession with portraying women as delicate flowers that wilt at the first sign of distress? yet they are also supposedly equal and strong women!!! come on, these messages of default weakness are the problem, its time to tell people to just grow a spine and some self control instead of telling them they are the helpless victim of everything which frankly has sexist roots.

    24. Re:Barbie disagrees by orcrist · · Score: 2, Funny

      The two female developers I work with periodically...

      Must... resist... bad... joke... [sweat pouring down face]

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    25. Re:Barbie disagrees by shalla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently women don't want to hear the right words.

      That's not women. That's a certain subsection of the population and it comes in both male and female form. I should know. I teach computer skills for a public library. Some people are good with technical terms. Some people--well, for some reason, the correct terms really rattle them, so you need to describe what it is visually and then later start sneaking the words in so they pick them up and start using them without realizing it.

      At least with phone call questions of the "Something is screwed up and I can't get it to do what I want" type, the non-jargon folks are sometimes preferable because they can accurately describe what they see on their screen. Being a jargon person doesn't guarantee you're using the correct term. (We have a patron who routinely confuses the terms hard drive and desktop. If you handle two calls from him in a day, your coworkers will buy you a drink.)

    26. Re:Barbie disagrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On a similar note, I remember when I had to work with a Male tech who would blather on and on and on about the greatest of Linux. Had to constantly listen to his most recent kernel mods, and how he configured Emacs to do something awesome.

      I'd take a woman talking about her kids and her kitchen remodel over some guy and his Linux blather day in and day out ... any day of the week.

      Hell, my MALE coworker right now talks about what HIS kids are up to at college, how HE's working with an engineer and contractor to remodel HIS bathroom. And on top of that, HE will sometimes discuss the latest issues HE's having with HIS father in a nursing home.

      It's not the HE or SHE, it's the fact that people occasionally talk about their personal lives at work, and it's not always tech oriented. Just because I'm in IT, doesn't mean I live and breath it. Besides, it's oh so easy to not have to talk to someone about their personal life. You just say so.

      Oh wait, I forgot. Since we're talking stereotypes anyway, Men in IT are socially inept. So I can't expect them to either a) hold a conversation about anything but technology, or b) have the social skills required to politely tell someone they don't want to hear about their personal life.

    27. Re:Barbie disagrees by that+IT+girl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is with a lot of the women, if you ask me. I'm a woman in the IT field and I like hanging with the guys I work with, we can tell off-color jokes and go out to bars together, and we do that sometimes.

      The problem is when women demand to be treated the same and then are oversensitive to the way men are just being themselves around her. In order to be treated the same as men, you'd have to understand them and think like them. Women are made differently--equally, but differently. And most women should not only be treated as such, but should REALIZE that. Most women do not really want to be treated the way men treat their peers of the same gender, they just don't seem to realize that men have a different 'code of honor'. Women seem to think that men are always respectful to one another and have this very idealized and very wrong idea of what male/male relationships are like, and I'm guessing it's because men act differently around them. As a result, they get offended by the things men say and do when they're just doing what she requested.

      Yes, wordy, I'm sorry--I'm a woman! ;) but the point is, most women need to be treated a bit differently in order for them to feel comfortable, they just don't realize it. I feel fortunate that, for the most part, I am better friends with men than women, and I understand the way they think and act. I can enjoy being around 'the guys'. (My boyfriend feels fortunate too, LOL.) But I am an exception, not the rule.

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    28. Re:Barbie disagrees by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, and people like you are the reason a lot of fields don't have more competent eyeballs looking at them.

      Yes, if someone is new to the field, don't bombard them with specialized terminology, even if it is well-defined and widely used. Speak to be understood, and then introduce the proper terminology as appropriate. The "correct words" are the words *that accomplish your objective*.

      I have to teach people, including older ones, how to use software all the time, and without fail I have them comfortably working with it in short time. It's *because* I don't expect them to come in with all sorts of specialized knowledge or figure it out on their own.

      Your wife probably doesn't think it's better to use terms like "thing-a-me-bob"; it's just that she doesn't know the right term. She doesn't associate "snipping off the end" with "cropping", and would much prefer to use that latter when someone makes the connection for her.

      The other, related problem, is that people convince themselves that what they're doing is more complicated than it really is...

  2. Yeah, I'll knock on her door, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But the judge says I'm not allowed within 100 feet of her.

  3. Random bits from the book... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    "If the man of the house gets home from work at 5:30 and dinner takes 1.25 hours to prepare, at what time should you start making it?"

    "If your makeup costs $40 and you put it on once a day, how much does it cost per application if the makeup runs out after 70 days?"

    "If the cake recipe calls for the oven to be at 400 degree fahrenheit but the oven only has celsius....

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    1. Re:Random bits from the book... by Teifion · · Score: 2, Funny

      Considering the target audience, those examples are just about right. I find that it's far easier to learn something when I can apply it to an everyday situation or at least something I am familiar with. If the rest of the examples are as good as those then the book seems very good. I find it odd that your post was modded Funny rather than Informative.

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    2. Re:Random bits from the book... by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Funny

      1: Ideally, one should wait a half an hour to an hour after settling in to eat. Most people have rituals they go through upon getting home from work (petting the dog, sitting down and watching some television, having a martini), and after those are completed they will be amicable enough to properly enjoy dinner.

      2: Surely this is an oversimplification of the problem. First, you need both day makeup and evening makeup (bolder colors to stand out more in lower light conditions), and you might only wear your evening makeup three or four times a week. Also, not all makeup goes with all outfits, or all occasions. But then again, I suppose it's like those spherical frictionless cows falling from the sky.

      3: One must also account for the fact that some ovens have different characteristics than others. Oftentimes you need to adjust the actual temperature a bit to get the proper effect. I'm not sure of the physics behind it, but my oven needs to be turned down about 25 degrees from whatever the recipe says.

    3. Re:Random bits from the book... by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm not sure of the physics behind it, but my oven needs to be turned down about 25 degrees from whatever the recipe says.

      I'd guess that your thermostat is miscalibrated, Dr. Maxwell.

    4. Re:Random bits from the book... by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a funny post, but it also illustrates one of the core problems with recruiting girls into math and engineering: a lot of them aren't interested. My sisters don't care about getting into a really intensive job because they know that they're going to get married and become homemakers. It's not that there's a problem if they do differently, it's that they've chosen that path to happiness. How many girls like my sisters are skewing the results of math/engineering studies?

    5. Re:Random bits from the book... by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I detect a bit of irony in GP's post. One example assumes that a woman is a homemaker who should be cooking dinner for her man; two assumes that a woman should be wearing makeup; three assumes that women should, again, be cooking. That this is framed in the context of something which supposes to emancipate women from underachieving in math, science and engineering is what creates the irony.

      Myself, I wouldn't say that being feminine in this highly traditional sense is an innately bad thing, but that other role options should be presented and accepted by people at a young age so they can decide for themselves how to identify.

    6. Re:Random bits from the book... by everphilski · · Score: 2, Funny

      My knobs are digital ...

    7. Re:Random bits from the book... by anonicon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Answers:

      A. 4:15.
      B. $0.5714285714 per application, or $0.57.
      C. 204 celsius = 400 fahrenheit.

      I am all woman.

      Chuck

    8. Re:Random bits from the book... by hazem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Myself, I wouldn't say that being feminine in this highly traditional sense is an innately bad thing, but that other role options should be presented and accepted by people at a young age so they can decide for themselves how to identify.

      I don't know. It seems her target audience is the teen girl who'd be into magazines about makeup and boys. I think she's trying to show these girls that they can be into makeup and boys and still be good at math. I think she's blurring the roles by adding a component that is normally kept out those roles.

      Clearly the book is not for everyone but I like the nontraditional approach.

    9. Re:Random bits from the book... by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's nothing wrong with being a home maker. Kids are enough work that they can keep two parents busy. The problem with early feminism is that they treated women badly who wanted to raise their own children.

      If cooking dinner makes you inferior that's issues that are in your head and have no real bearing on reality. Look at all the famous chefs, nobody thinks they are inferior for cooking!

      On the other hand I think if I were to have kids, I would want them to be raised by a mother who is educated and knowledgeable. It can be extremely beneficial to introduce children to science at an early age, they seem to really take to it if presented properly. And we all know that public school alone just does not cut it for giving a kid the education they need to succeed. Parents that have the ability and will to home tutor their kids in addition to going to school are going to have kids who have a competitive edge when it comes time to enroll in college or get a job.

      Also staying home does not mean you need to be stupid, just like having a paying job doesn't make you intelligent.

      The Economist had an interesting article on women in the work place, and that companies are learning that women's careers tend to be non-linear, and that this non-linearity can be a barrier to upper management. And the ability for many of us to telecommute 1 or more days a week is having a dramatic impact on improving the wage inequality between men and women, because it is keeps women from having to choose between career and family.

      Things are moving in a positive direction, but that said, books that encourage young girls to be interested in math, science, and technology are beneficial because as we move to a society where it is possible for both parents to work. We will find that it may become impossible for most single income families to live at an income level they are comfortable with. Women may have no choice but to join the work force and establish long term careers in addition to having a family. That's the dark side of all this progress and equality.

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    10. Re:Random bits from the book... by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does anyone else wonder if My Cousin Vinnies argument about grits still holds weight ?

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    11. Re:Random bits from the book... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      some alternate reality where everything has a greater degree of internal energy, requiring less heat to cook. Time for some mental vomiting...

      If _everything_ has more internal energy, that leads to several quandaries:

              i) What's important in energy transfer of any type, but especially with degraded energy types like heat, is an energy *difference* between the hot and cold regions. If you've added a fixed amount of energy to every object, then the transfer rate would still be the same as before, leading to no change. (However, see pt. ii, below). This assumes something like Newton's law of heating and cooling (or just dE/dt = k1(E2-E1), where k1 is roughly constant at a given energy).
                If the energy was bumped up by an amount proportional to the energy already in the object, then the 25 degree difference mentioned by the parent makes some sense, because hotter (more energetic) objects would lose/absorb heat even faster to/from their surroundings (dE/dt = a*k1*(E2 - E1). Here, a>1, and was just factored out of the 'original' energies E1 and E2 mentioned above).

              ii) More energy really does lead to more gravitational attraction due to E = mc^2. This would be absolutely negilible at our scales, but it would tend to make black holes more sucky, and might change galactic dynamics on long time scales.

              iii) Most interesting to me is the fact that the Third Law of Thermodynamics defines a perfect crystal as having _no_ entropy at zero Kelvins (neglecting quantum effects like zero-point energy). Bumping up the energy of everything including this hypothetical crystal would lead to a breakdown of the temperature scale just above zero Kelvins. That might happen if everything except some hypothetical crystal were to have energy somehow magically added to it.

              I dunno. Time to go clean more floors.
    12. Re:Random bits from the book... by microTodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But maybe this book can show them that by knowing math and being well-educated can make you a *BETTER* homemaker. I try to get this concept across in my freshman college algebra course I teach.

      -Doing taxes
      -Understanding mortgages (not getting screwed by a baloon payment ARM)
      -Not getting ripped off by sales prices and percentages
      -Budgets (again, percentages and ratios)
      -Understanding the world and the media (statistics)
      -Etc

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    13. Re:Random bits from the book... by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One example assumes that a woman is a homemaker who should be cooking dinner for her man; two assumes that a woman should be wearing makeup; three assumes that women should, again, be cooking. That this is framed in the context of something which supposes to emancipate women from underachieving in math, science and engineering is what creates the irony. ]

      Wait, you mean this book is targeted at girls who read fashion magazines? So the context is predefined? Namely the context of talking to girls who like this sort of thing? Oh...well I guess we should just assume shes being condescending, or ignorant, instead of realizing that she is a girlie girl hottie with a frigginErds-Bacon number who might have some personal experience and investment in getting more girls like her to become feminine intellectuals!

      This book doesn't make the assumption that it emancipates anyone. It tries to use a damn effective vehicle for communicating material that is often not desirable to consume. If you think I'm wrong, how do you explain the high number of women who purchase fashion magazines who at the same time blame the media for the false image they have to live up to. Thats a magic trick in and of itself, getting people to pay to hate themselves, to be fed tailored insecurities.

      Maybe Danica McKellar put some of her UCLA brains to work and found a vehicle that she could co opt to educate and empower these girls.

      You know, you may not like it, but there is a class of women out there who are effectively super women. Beautiful, intellectual, empowered, employed in high paying and influential positions, and raising kids. Its just that most MEN, and I use that term referring to genetic makeup, can't handle the realities of being with them. Their pathetic mirror to female insecurity creates this never ending fountain of emasculated feelings. Or, even worse, the hubris laden egos of most technically proficient males can't cope with the fact that their mate can equal, or best them, in an aspect he uses to define himself in.

      Thats why you people come up with terms like this:]
      Myself, I wouldn't say that being feminine in this highly traditional sense is an innately bad thing, but that other role options should be presented and accepted by people at a young age so they can decide for themselves how to identify.

      You NEED to feel at some point in a female's life cycle that they are vulnerable for no other reason than they are female. That a female couldn't possible see the forest for the trees and separate content from context. The worst part is, your closet superiority complex is what is giving you the biggest problem relating to people.

      The reality of the matter is its called Marketing 101. Get someone to PURCHASE the book for their daughter, thinking its a good idea. I don't know about you, but many young people don't go out and purchase any raw math text books when they weren't required or directed to. I think someone with a Degree in Mathematics from UCLA could figure this out and perhaps work around it.

      Just a thought. Or you can continue on with the asinine idea that every demographic variant needs to be presented with every option represented in every light for every possible socio-economic combination of factors in order to validate itself.
    14. Re:Random bits from the book... by shalla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a funny post, but it also illustrates one of the core problems with recruiting girls into math and engineering: a lot of them aren't interested. My sisters don't care about getting into a really intensive job because they know that they're going to get married and become homemakers. It's not that there's a problem if they do differently, it's that they've chosen that path to happiness. How many girls like my sisters are skewing the results of math/engineering studies?

      I just had an urge to rewrite this from the other perspective:

      It's a funny post, but it also illustrates one of the core problems with recruiting boys into math and engineering: a lot of them aren't interested. My brothers don't care about getting into a really intensive job because they know they're going to get married and become homemakers. It's not that there's a problem if they do differently, it's just that they've chosen that path to happiness. How many boys like my brothers are skewing the results of math/engineering studies?

      (If you're too culturally ingrained to picture a man as a homemaker, you can insert "permanent English grad student" in the above paragraph.)

      Maybe your sisters aren't interested because they never thought it was cool to be? See, that's kind of what the book is trying to address. There are a number of people who believe that more women would be interested in math and science if they encountered more books like Danica McKellar's and fewer books like The Rules or some of the schlock I've had sent to me by relatives of friends. (Seriously, it takes a lot of nerve to send your 20-year-old nephew a book to give to his female friends which directs them that the only true Christian woman is the wife who unquestioningly follows her husband's orders and stays at home and realizes that when he isn't speaking to her, it's her fault. That was an eye-opening book for me. I felt for that woman's daughters, who had absolutely no interest in math and science or anthing aside from finding a husband. It might possibly have been related to their upbringing.)

      And there are a lot of men who aren't interested in math or science either when you ask it like that, but if it has to do with something they do, it's more interesting.

    15. Re:Random bits from the book... by kiracatgirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's why I really don't like the way feminism is going. It's incredibly frustrating to have my peers think less of me when they find out that I don't actually want to have a career; I want to have some sort of part-time job to help out financially and mainly take care of the house and kids. Just because I can be a highly successful something-or-other and make lots of money and spend all of my time in some office doing the same basic thing for years and years doesn't mean I want to. I'd rather be poorer and happier.

    16. Re:Random bits from the book... by why-is-it · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know that this was meant to be funny, but it really isn't.

      Although I would like to think we have evolved a bit, there are a few too many guys around here that view slashdot as their private tree-house, and are afraid that girls will give them cooties.

      I was going to give this post a pass, but the misogyny in some of the comments in this thread is simply unacceptable.

      I don't know about the rest of you, but if I had a daughter, I would want her to be able to choose the career she wants, rather than be limited to ones that society determines are gender-appropriate. I would like everyone else's daughter to have the same choice.

      Before anyone flames me, I would like to point out that men and women are indeed different, and there's nothing wrong with finding humour in those differences. Jokes like the ones above should have died out with the rest of dinosaurs...

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    17. Re:Random bits from the book... by SIIHP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What stereo type am I refering to when I talk about it on a genetic level?"

      This one

      "this is genetic predisposition to certain traits"

      "You can attack me, but you have yet to state anything that makes my argument any less valid."

      I didn't attack you, I asked a question. Why so defensive?

      "I stated, in a round about manner, that the subtle assumptions that men make are the real slights."

      While your "subtle assumptions" are valid right? Save that nonsense, thanks.

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    18. Re:Random bits from the book... by oni · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And that's why I really don't like the way feminism is going.

      Well, just take that stand and stick to it. What feminism *should* be about is simple equality under the law, because that's "the right thing to do." It's been hijacked by some heavy-duty radicals, but that doesn't have to reflect negatively on you. You can take care of your kids and still call yourself a feminist, and if anyone says, in shock, "omfg you believe every word of the SCUM manifesto??" You can calmly say, "no, I believe that men and women should be treated equally under the law" and make no apologies for what other people do.

    19. Re:Random bits from the book... by qualidafial · · Score: 2, Funny
      Reminds me of "The Woman Song" I heard on the Bob and Tom show:

      I am Woman, hear me roar! (if you don't open my door..)
      I can do anything that a man can do! (but I don't have to..) They also did an equivalent song for the guys, "He's the Man:"

      And I can have sex any time (that you want..)
      Cause I'm a man with needs! (but they're not that important..)
    20. Re:Random bits from the book... by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's incredibly frustrating to have my peers think less of me when they find out that I don't actually want to have a career; I want to have some sort of part-time job to help out financially and mainly take care of the house and kids.
      People don't think less of you by nearly as much as they would think less of a man who wanted that.

    21. Re:Random bits from the book... by utopianfiat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wrong. You're forgetting about the possibility about male homemakers, which is really the uncovered area in feminism.
      The problem with feminists' position on homemaking is that a lot of the bigger, more radically outspoken feminists are more supremacists than gender egalitarians. They ignore the stigma placed on the male if the male isn't a patriarch, or an alpha, or a "provider". If I didn't have a college degree or a job that paid well enough to support a wife and kids, I'd have zero social capitol, and *that* is a key problem in approaching a society that treats genders equally.
      A man who makes home is almost unheard of and certainly not respected among a great deal of the people I know, and I think that's a shame- a god damn shame. I would even go so far as to call male homemaking a litmus test for the amount of progress we've made on gender equality. Putting women in positions of power is one thing (implying that women can "stray" from their "place under men"), but allowing a man to "lower" himself to homemaking or even the perception that a homemaker is "under" a worker/provider is the true determinant of equality of sex.

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    22. Re:Random bits from the book... by kiracatgirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which bothers me just as much, honestly. I know a guy who would love nothing more than to find a nice career-woman to marry and raise a family for. It's all so depressingly hypocritical. Women are supposed to be allowed to have whatever career they want and be able to support themselves and be independent, but men aren't supposed to be allowed to take care of the home and family and be dependent on all these women who'd rather not spend their time raising children.

    23. Re:Random bits from the book... by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I know that this was meant to be funny, but it really isn't.

      Lighten up!

      [snip]
      I don't know about the rest of you, but if I had a daughter, I would want her to be able to choose the career she wants, rather than be limited to ones that society determines are gender-appropriate. I would like everyone else's daughter to have the same choice.

      I have a daughter. My lady works part time so she can be home with the wee one most days. We didn't base this on gender, we based it on income. If she made more I'd be home.

      Before anyone flames me, I would like to point out that men and women are indeed different, and there's nothing wrong with finding humour in those differences. Jokes like the ones above should have died out with the rest of dinosaurs...

      Oh wah. I showed my lady the post and she laughed. It was a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

      Political correctness is the cancer that's killing /b/^Wslashdot.

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  4. Oh Boy... by teknopurge · · Score: 4, Funny

    It even includes a horoscope, cute doodles of shoes and jewelry, and testimonials from attractive young career women that use math at work. It focuses on fractions and pre-algebra and uses mnemonics like calling a reciprocal a 'refliprocal' Time to put the plastic back on the Slashdot couches...
  5. Nice try, but... by weak* · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think one book, even if it looks like the rest of the teen girl trash rags, is going to overcome a decades of social pressure to avoid being seen as "nerdy." What we really need is to have high schools that don't go out of their way to reinforce the perception that going to state for ****ball is the pinnacle of achievement.

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    1. Re:Nice try, but... by GweeDo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good point...they should just stop trying.

      (btw, great attitude to take towards solid progressive thinking that will help women out)

    2. Re:Nice try, but... by nuzak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously then they should soldier on and continue doing the same lame ineffective thing, because to do otherwise would be "to stop trying". You sound like a certain president.

      I suggest they give it a try, see how badly it flops, then try something else. Like not having to make everything "hip" and "edgy" and "way cool cowabunga dudes with jittery neon triangles". Yes, I'm showing my age -- but I bet the producers of this material are too.

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    3. Re:Nice try, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great point. Instead of writing a book, Winnie should have changed social norms in every high school in America.

    4. Re:Nice try, but... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      What we really need is to have high schools that don't go out of their way to reinforce the perception that going to state for ****ball is the pinnacle of achievement.

      OK, I'm dying to know: what sport at your high school is so unspeakably vulgar that you have to censor the name?

      And are any videos online?

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    5. Re:Nice try, but... by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't think one book, even if it looks like the rest of the teen girl trash rags, is going to overcome a decades of social pressure to avoid being seen as "nerdy."

      I think it's more of society as a whole reducing to the lowest common denominator. It's no longer trying to strive to be educated and to better oneself, but it's now to act dumb, not try hard, talk like a moron, and become famous somehow and get the easy money. Paris Hilton is what kids strive to be: not Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein or Jack Kennedy (or whoever your favorite statesman is).

      Do kids want to dress well? No, they dress like bums. They get piercings and tattoos like bikers, strippers, drug dealers and other lowlifes. Do they try to refine their communications skills? Hell no! They talk like some ghetto uneducated slob.

      It was the same when I was growing up. The kids who dressed well and worked at school were called "preppies". Of course now, most of those "preppies" are MDs, JDs, engineers, etc.... The others, are waiting tables.

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    6. Re:Nice try, but... by Sage+Gaspar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I haven't read it, but I think the fundamental premise of the book is sound. One of my little cousins is a bit too advanced for this now, but she's one of the smartest kids I've ever met and also one of the girliest. More role models that demonstrate that the two don't have to be mutually exclusive can only be positive. Kids are more likely to take their cues from celebrities than high school teachers with the media saturation we have these days. It's the attitude that there is a necessary gulf between academics and football, academics and celebrity, or academics and being "girly" that hurts the most. In my high school we had a state championship football team, and the captain was also a lead band member and a good student. It doesn't have to be football players versus nerds... and in fact the way our society is going it might be better to encourage everyone to participate in sports more.

      As far as hooking people a little more substantively, I think she hit it on the head in the interview when she mentioned that one of the fascinations that drew her into mathematics was the infinitely large and the infinitely small. I've started off a ton of lengthy conversations introducing basic set theory and stuff to non-mathematicians just by challenging them on things like what is infinity, how do we define infinity, how do we add infinity to other numbers, matching up cardinalities with the natural numbers... The Monty Hall problem is a great one for thinking about probabilities. Kids get fascinated by imaginary numbers just because it's the first "weird" thing everyone emphasizes, so it's easy to get them playing around with some algebra like that. A high schooler taking their first "proofs" geometry can enjoy doing some non-Euclidean stuff, up to the big reveal when you tell them they're working on the surface of a sphere or whatever hehe.

      I was watching the Daily Show the other day when they interviewed the astrophysicist hosting Nova, and the guy had an infectious enthusiasm (to lift Jon Stewart's language directly hehe). If you've ever watched the Feynman lectures, it's the same sort of thing, at least for me. The more people out there from all walks of life enthusiastically promoting the accessible parts of math and science, the better.

    7. Re:Nice try, but... by neutralstone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What we really need is to have high schools that don't go out of their way to reinforce the perception that going to state for ****ball is the pinnacle of achievement. Right. I suspect that a huge step in this direction would be the dissociation of organized sports teams from schools.

      A friend of mine from Belgium was telling me that's how they do it over there. In a single high school you'll find about the same proportion of students who are athletes as in a school in the U.S., but they represent lots of different local (competing) teams.

      Apparently, it goes a long way towards preventing formations of mob mentalities and everything that goes with it.

      So e.g., there's no such thing as a school pep rally in support of one sports team and they don't even have anything like the divide between "jocks" and "nerds" (or at least, not to the extent seen in schools in the U.S.).

      I don't see it happening in the U.S. anytime soon, but who knows? It could start small, in a place with semi-rational school administrators trying to free up budgets, for example. With the promise of tax reductions, many things can gain political support. (:
    8. Re:Nice try, but... by Broken+scope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Less and less often does clothing have any bearing on someones work ethic. The last time the clothing was washed is a better indicator.

      I've met goths with tats and piercings who are the most affable and pleasant people. I've met pressed, tucked, combed frat boys who leave me with the urge to burn down frat row, and for good measure every sorority to.

      Clothing and looks in general don't tell you much. Attitudes and other things you mentioned do.

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    9. Re:Nice try, but... by plague3106 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was with you until you started on your sterotyping rant. Preppies aren't the kids that were doing well; they were the ones who had well off parents and never had to work. Kinda like the Paris Hilton you seem to hate.

    10. Re:Nice try, but... by kalaf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I went to school, Paris Hilton would have been "Preppy". Those were the kids who could afford nice clothing because their parents were well off. If you tried to dress nicely and fit in, they'd make fun of the fact you weren't wearing the correct brands, etc. That's where the kids dressing like bums comes from, simply not wanting to be like the stuck up rich kids.

      Yeah, I was one of them. When I was out with friends I was all those things you describe and more. We smoked, drank, did drugs, skipped school, used simple sentence structures, etc...

      Of the core group I hung out with, one became a labourer, two are tradespeople, one got a PhD in neuroscience, and I got a BSc and work as a programmer. I don't know what happened to all the biggest preppies, but I do know one became a Chiropractor (the nicest of the group by far) and became a drunk, got in a car accident (while drinking), and lost her baby.

      High school is not destiny.

    11. Re:Nice try, but... by adisakp · · Score: 2, Funny

      OK, I'm dying to know: what sport at your high school is so unspeakably vulgar that you have to censor the name?

      I don't know but it obviously involves getting a bunch of guys together and playing with their balls.

  6. And what do horoscopes have to do with science? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If one were to bring ten of the wisest men in the world together and ask them what was the most stupid thing in existence, they would not be able to discover anything so stupid as astrology.
    - David Hilbert
    1. Re:And what do horoscopes have to do with science? by kryten_nl · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you don't, then stop talking about things you know nothing about.
      The stars say: "you must be new here".
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    2. Re:And what do horoscopes have to do with science? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think whether you believe in astrology is relevant. The first maths text books I remember had anthropomorphic animals in them, and I certainly don't believe in talking sea lions, but they were used to present problems in an approachable way. I played with Numerology when I was a bit older and, while the predictions it makes are nonsense, the number patterns themselves are interesting. If the target audience is familiar with astrological horoscopes, then there's no reason why you shouldn't use them to phrase problems in an approachable way.

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    3. Re:And what do horoscopes have to do with science? by rossifer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your horoscope for today:

      Aries - certain deficiencies in your education and upbringing will lead you to the sadly mistaken belief that the location of celestial bodies can influence events in your life.

      (paraphrased from memory, originally in "The Onion")

    4. Re:And what do horoscopes have to do with science? by Joebert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There actually is some degree of astronomy science in astrology, and yes, it involves math and geometry. How many of you know that Halloween falls near 15-degrees Scorpio, and what that actually means, mathematically speaking?


      It means there's some funky lightbeams comming from Scorpio & we need to invade it or the terrorists win.
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  7. Nah they should bring back the old Textbooks. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it ain't 90% Greek then it isn't a math book.
    Actually this is a good idea the problem is that today there are reports that boys are trailing girls academically. Part of the reason is if they make an All girls school or make programs that are designed to help girls they do so sometimes at the expense of the education of the boys. But if such programs or All boy public schools are made then there is a community cry. Boys and Girls think differently, they need to be taught differently.

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    1. Re:Nah they should bring back the old Textbooks. by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not so sure I buy your "reverse-sexism" argument. In my time at secondary school, many of the guys were too caught up in drugs, booze, and trying to get laid than academic performance. From what I noticed, girl's peer groups were more accepting of high academic performance than were groups of boys, where the social line between jock and nerd were much more strongly defined and enforced.

      Boys will never do well as a group academically as long as academic performance is seen as a social stigma.

  8. More importantly by proverbialcow · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a hot female geek

    Rock-paper-scissors will have to decide this, guys.

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  9. Am I the only one peeved... by gargletheape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that a book aimed at increasing numeracy has horoscopes? What next? Feng Shui in geography texts?

    1. Re:Am I the only one peeved... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps the horoscopes give some advice on studying - we all know horoscopes give random good advices based on random data.

      Or perhaps it was just a stupid decision.

  10. Re:fp by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Hollywood is not known for providing a wealth of positive female role models"

    What? Plenty of good models out there...

    And if just talking about looks and all, showing fit and lean, non-obese women is a good thing. We've got a horrible obesity problem out there, so, some skinnier role models are a good thing IMHO.

    So, we now have 'thinkers' to combine with the 'lookers'...and pretty soon, we'll have perfect women if they follow their role models.

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  11. TTIWWP by El_Smack · · Score: 3, Funny

    This tread is worthless without pics... of hot, math using girls. /whaddaya mean, wrong website?

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  12. "OMG Ponies" is not just cute ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My first impression of the book review was - "Oh gawd, a math book went 'OMG Ponies !!111'".

    But I've sort of realized that form follows emotion and in a world where Math is not consider cool (not in India though), something like this which stands away from the boring beige world of mathematics would get more eyeballs into the basic subject. Not that I'd consider some of it boring, by any stretch of imagination. And who hasn't rewritten math problems into "real" problems ? (xkcd has become lame of late - I suspect after his visit to MIT).

    But such wedges into the insular cracks of things could be nice - to let people burn through the "Thou Suckest" phase of learning anything new. Especially when the field is full of elitist fifty year olds ("elite" is good, "elitist" is bad).

    So if it makes a bunch of girls pick up math, good - just the same way Asterix&Obelix makes me want to learn French ... we all just need a reason, to make whatever we're doing cool (ah, the tyranny of cool).

  13. "Attractive young women" by siwelwerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It even includes a horoscope, cute doodles of shoes and jewelry, and testimonials from attractive young career women that use math at work.

    So what, the ugly ones don't use math?

    1. Re:"Attractive young women" by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you *ever* see ugly people in any kind of media or presentation? Or, do you ever see ugliness in any kind of presentation that is successful?

      Who would want to identify with that photo as the target audience, anyway? "Oh, I'm ugly, just like the woman in that photo. I should study harder in math!"

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    2. Re:"Attractive young women" by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what, the ugly ones don't use math?

      You're looking at this backward. Girls are told they're supposed to aspire to beauty above all else. The idea here is to show them that you can have that without giving up intelligence.

      A single voice isn't going to tell girls that they shouldn't want to be pretty. One well-spoken voice might convince a few that they can be pretty and smart.

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  14. I'd let her extend MY superfactorial! by cthellis · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd also generalize HER polylogarithm!

  15. Gap? What gap? by Myrkridian42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I graduated high school, the top ten students that year were girls. That was true at 3 other high school graduations I went to that year. When I graduated college, the valedictorian and salutatorian were female. I don't believe these were rare cases. So what's this "gap" they talk about? Seems to me the guys are falling behind.

    1. Re:Gap? What gap? by shalla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So what's this "gap" they talk about? Seems to me the guys are falling behind.

      Let's see. This was a while ago, but of the top ten in my graduating class, two were male. They both had science and math majors. Of the eight women, only four of us did. Both of the guys have gone on into science and math heavy fields (MD and engineer). Of the women, only two did (veterinarian and dentist). So there is a gap in achievement when you look at that for math and science.

      Why do I think that is? Well, I graduated high school with majors in math, science, social studies, and French. In college, I ended up with a history major and minors in anthropology and religious studies, but I took a number of math and science and comp sci courses for fun. I still love math and science. Numbers still are magical to me, and playing around with them to see what they can do can waste hours... But looking back, I realize I ended up focusing on areas where my abilities were treated less like a fluke and more like actual talent. I had higher science and math GPAs and took more science classes than the guys in my high school class (and helped them with studying and homework) and they got the science and math awards. I got the English and Humanities awards. (English? Have you seen my grammar? Seriously, it got lost somewhere around second grade.) The same thing continued in college, with certain professors (not all) handing out puzzles in math classes where I was one of two girls and acting surprised when I worked them out. Like I hadn't aced the last four tests in the class while quietly passing notes to my friends and keeping the freshmen in front of us quiet when they started to get bored and act up.

      So women can achieve all they want, but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to face subtle discouragement along the way that eventually does end in a gap. I'm a librarian who works with computers, which I guess is my way of compromising and getting to handle a wide variety of topics while still playing with math and science a bit. I play with my little electrical kits at home and build my own computers and whatnot, and I'm happy with my life, but I also suspect that had I been male, I might have gone for math or science as a career instead of a hobby because I wouldn't have been constantly getting the overlooked treatment.

      Or maybe not. Still, it's hard for me to discount 20-some years of subtle discouragement in some areas and encouragement in others as having no impact on my life choices.

  16. Re:Cyberchase by MollyB · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Her singing of its repetitive and insanely peppy themesong is driving my out of my mind, though.

    Clearly so, but it could be worse: "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" is illustrative of subtraction, but somewhat tedious if one is not an actual red-eyed participant.

  17. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    'refliprocal' ...okay, that just made me dumber
  18. Re:fp by R2.0 · · Score: 2

    "And if just talking about looks and all, showing fit and lean, non-obese women is a good thing. We've got a horrible obesity problem out there, so, some skinnier role models are a good thing IMHO"

    It's not a binary proposition. There is a huge range between obese (bad), and what actresses and models look like (also bad).

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  19. Re:fp by blackoutdustin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    stupid. showing overly skinny women is SO healthy for the psyche of young girls. let's make sure our math teachers have all posed for stuff magazine first...

  20. Natalie Portman's neuroscience paper by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Some of you might already know this, but slashdot-favorite Natalie Portman (birth name Natalie Hershlag) in 2002 was apparently co-author on a paper in the research journal NeuroImage, stemming from some research she did when she was an undergrad at Harvard. The paper is titled Frontal Lobe Activation during Object Permanence: Data from Near-Infrared Spectroscopy. Here's the abstract:

    The ability to create and hold a mental schema of an object is one of the milestones in cognitive development.
    Developmental scientists have named the behavioral manifestation of this competence object permanence.
    Convergent evidence indicates that frontal lobe maturation plays a critical role in the display of
    object permanence, but methodological and ethical constrains have made it difficult to collect neurophysiological
    evidence from awake, behaving infants. Near-infrared spectroscopy provides a noninvasive assessment
    of changes in oxy- and deoxyhemoglobin and total hemoglobin concentration within a prescribed
    region. The evidence described in this report reveals that the emergence of object permanence is related to
    an increase in hemoglobin concentration in frontal cortex. Also, a few choice Natalie Portman quotes:

    * "I loved school so much that most of my classmates considered me a dork."

    * "Smart women love smart men more than smart men love smart women."

    * "I'm going to college. I don't care if it ruins my career. I'd rather be smart than a movie star. "
  21. Women scare what percentage of /.ers shitless? by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

    If 10% of all Slashdot accounts are current, and 25% of all posts relating to women in math and science are derogatory, what percentage of people that post to slashdot are going to get laid tonight?

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    1. Re:Women scare what percentage of /.ers shitless? by Mercano · · Score: 3, Funny

      Zero, but thats the answer any night.

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    2. Re:Women scare what percentage of /.ers shitless? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll skip the obvious and lame division by zero error joke.
      I hit a Pentium FDIV bug.

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  22. Being cool doesn't work either. by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every time any adult tries to be cool in order to get kids to pay attention to a subject in school that they hate, they fail miserably. This is not (only) because adults simply aren't cool, but because the ploy is blazingly obvious. The funny thing about teenagers, is that they are the way they are in no small part because they've grown intellectually to the point where they can recognize lies and propaganda. This sort of thing only reinforces the idea that adults are clueless and generally to be ignored. See also: public service announcements by MC Hammer or Flava Flave.

    I'd have to admit though, that she does have one important ingredient in the textbook. That she demonstrates that you can be simultaneously pretty and intellectual (and includes other examples). If she could lose the cheesy teen-mag look, I'm sure we'd see some progress.

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    1. Re:Being cool doesn't work either. by greg1104 · · Score: 2, Funny

      This sort of thing only reinforces the idea that adults are clueless and generally to be ignored. See also: public service announcements by MC Hammer or Flava Flave.

      That's why those fools should leave the educational lessons to Mr. T!

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  24. More apropos to modern women: by monomania · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If your ex-husband, who was earning $45k per year, looses his job but now collects 30% of that in unemployment, and your alimony was calculated at 67% of his net salary while employed, what differential (minus child-support) must now be applied in order that he may loose his other testical?"

  25. Review of the book and an interview by hey+hey+hey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tara Smith, a Professor of Epidemiology, and author of the science blog Aetiology (which I like) reviewed the book here , and has a short interview with Danica.

  26. Re:what's the point by 1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is the point of forcing (or "encouraging") people to learn mathematics at all? Those who want to learn it, can use regular textbooks because the subject is interesting by itself, without horoscopic bastardizations. And those who don't want to learn -- well, there are some 3 billion people in Asia whose children do learn ;)

    The concern is that some segments of the American population (women and some ethnic groups) might be discouraged from doing math. I've seen this first-hand. Several years ago, I spent a year working in high school math classes as part of an NSF graduate teaching fellowship, and I saw that remedial classes had a disproportionate number of black students. The troubling part was that many of these students were capable of much more, and really didn't belong in remedial classes. Now, I have no idea why this was the case; it could be part "institutionalized racism", it could be due to socioeconomic factors, or it could have been something else entirely. But on more than one occasion, I had students make comments along the lines of: "we're black; we don't do math." Seriously. Now, maybe these students were just trying to get out of doing their homework, but I got the impression that they really saw academic achievement (particularly in math) as a "white thing."

    I'm not one to advocate diversity in an academic field solely for the sake of diversity. Math doesn't depend on the race or gender of the mathematician. However, if there are students who are being discouraged from studying math in some way or another because of their gender, or race, or socioeconomic status, then that troubles me greatly, and it's something that we should work to change.
  27. Re:Baseball?? BASEBALL???? by king-manic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Baseball is the only truly divinely inspired game (Soccer comes close).

    On the Ninth Day, G-d created Baseball. well. I guess thats proof against intelligent design.
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  28. oh, great... by greywire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    lets create a dumbed down, silly math book with purposely misspelled words just so we can appeal to little girls.

    How insulting to girls.

    Lets make a similar math book for all the boys who aren't interested in math. It should feature GI Joe's using math to kill each other, aliens, and anything gross or violent. For the older boys lets throw in some soft core porn to get their eyes on the page (males are after all more visual, right?).

    Come on! This is rediculous. While I applaud her good intentions, I have to wonder why such a thing was not necessary for girls like her to be interested in math? I am all for making learning fun, and math books are about as dull and boring as it gets, but I see no reason why it has to be dumbed down and made gender specific.

    My 9 year old girl is great at math, without this.

    There are better ways to get kids to learn. Or, rather, to not turn them off to learning, since they start off wanting to learn and then we destroy that desire later on.

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    1. Re:oh, great... by ArmyOfFun · · Score: 2, Funny

      It should feature GI Joe's using math to kill each other, aliens, and anything gross or violent. For the older boys lets throw in some soft core porn to get their eyes on the page (males are after all more visual, right?). Sir, I'd like to buy this book.
    2. Re:oh, great... by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lets make a similar math book for all the boys who aren't interested in math. It should feature GI Joe's using math to kill each other, aliens, and anything gross or violent. For the older boys lets throw in some soft core porn to get their eyes on the page (males are after all more visual, right?).

      Hey, when I was in the book store the other day I came across Kaplan-brand Warcraft graphic novels with SAT vocab words and definitions inside.

    3. Re:oh, great... by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I read teen fluff magazines in junior high, and celebrity gossip is still a guilty pleasure of mine. But somehow I managed to go to MIT and now have a master's and am working on PhD. Oh! And not only did I play with Barbies, I switched from playing to collecting when I was about 12 and currently own about a hundred of them.

      Shielding your kids from "girliness" doesn't do them any favors. Teach them that they can be girly AND smart, that they don't have to choose between them, and you'll never run the risk that in a moment of weakness they'll choose girly over smart.

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    4. Re:oh, great... by greywire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Oh dear god, do you have any idea how lucky you and your daughter are?

      It's actually a completely independent program called "KCD", it consists of two rooms in an otherwise normal elementary school here in fullerton, CA (orangethorpe elementary). And yes we have had to fight for this, battling with the school district to get district transfers, and attending meetings to keep getting funding for the program. It is a quite successful program. I take one day of work off each week to attend the classroom and help the kids.

      I have nothing against the differences in males and females, and I love that we are different in some ways. I just hate seeing smart girls never reach their potential (and to be fair, smart boys) and realize they can be smart and beautiful (or for boys, smart and strong?).

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    5. Re:oh, great... by Der+Einzige · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lets make a similar math book for all the boys who aren't interested in math. It should feature GI Joe's using math to kill each other, aliens, and anything gross or violent. For the older boys lets throw in some soft core porn to get their eyes on the page (males are after all more visual, right?). You're looking for books by Robert Heinlein, sir. You'll find them in the science fiction section of our store under "H."
  29. Re:hm by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeeees, because the average 13-year-old uses the word "reciprocate" regularly in their daily vocabulary.

    For pete's sake, people, since when have mnemonics become the work of the dumbing-down devil? No, you can't learn all of math that way, but when it comes to remember the definition of one term it's fine. I still use SOHCAHTOA, I must be an idiot.

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  30. Re:Quaint by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone taking honours-level mathematics will author thousands of proofs before they graduate.

    By "author" they mean ... "author". As in writing it up and getting it published, in a peer reviewed academic journal. See here, published in Journal of Physics A: Mathematical and General.

  31. Who is the Target Audience? by stevemm81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who is the target audience for this book? Kids who are already into math will be embarrassed/disgusted with the teen mag layout, and kids who aren't won't read a math book even if their parents buy it for them and say "look, this actress you may have seen on Nick at Nite wrote a math book!" I think just about anyone would wince at the "breaking a nail" cliche in the title, although I suspect Ms. McKellar's not to blame.

    Many of these kinds of efforts look like they were produced by someone who is more concerned with being on record with supporting women going into science and math than actually having a real effect. That's why we end up with textbooks crammed with mini-biographies of Sophie Germain and Ada Lovelace that nobody will actually read and that anyone with enough brainpower to do basic algebra will recognize as tacit admissions that a woman mathematician is an odd duck indeed.

    McKellar looks like her heart is in the right place - she's presumably wealthy and is a professional actress, and yet she still devoted serious time and energy to studying math. Presumably she wants others to share her enthusiasm for an interesting and potentially lucrative field of endeavor. But I very much doubt that she was "turned on" to math by a book like this. I imagine that her supportive family and the confidence boost that came from being a TV star helped overcome the anti-math stigma.

    Of course, as much as the stereotypical mathematician is not feminine, he's not particularly masculine either, not an effeminate man precisely, probably more of a modern-day eunuch. Certainly no young men go into mathematics to impress their peers, so I think a more important question would be why young women are more influenced by "peer pressure" than young men.

    Is it low self-esteem? Women think they can't get ahead except by being "cheerleader" types? Or high self-esteem? Women think they *can* become cheerleader types if they wear uncomfortable enough clothing and enough makeup, while nerdy guys figure they couldn't make the football team in a million years?

    1. Re:Who is the Target Audience? by Toon+Moene · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Who is the target audience for this book?

      How about: Me ?

      I'm a remedial teacher of math and physics (occasionally chemistry, although strictly speaking I'm not qualified for that).

      I routinely have to try to get underperforming girls "over the hill" (into the next year of high school).

      Although I'm quite sure this book won't give me an array of recipes, just being able to get a glimpse of what girls of that age think is important *and how to relate that to math* will be extremely useful.

      I'm off to the [fill-in online bookstore of choice] to buy this book !

  32. Good idea by u8i9o0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ignoring the usual trolls here, McKellar did adopt a tabloid-style format that much of the /. crowd would usually deride. Therefore, I guess I shouldn't be surprised by much of the relevant discussion.

    But, from what I understand, that's the best approach since the target audience has been fed this format for a number of decades. Actually, I anticipate that mothers will buy it (for their kids) and even flip through it themselves given the probably that they will appreciate the similarity.

    And quit whining about the appearance of horoscopes. If horoscopes appear in teen magazine, and you're trying to adhere to the teen magazine format, then something that resembles a horoscope had better be included. In fact, if it was done well, the audience may remember the math the next time they see a similar horoscope (analogy: count the number of Simpson's parodies do you notice on a daily basis).

    I applaud the goal and concept but the hardest (and most crucial) part is having the content itself read like a teen magazine. I have no idea how to make that happen, but I'm not the one attempting this. Hopefully McKellar has that talent. Good luck.

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  33. It is astounding..... by aneeshm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..... how much double standards have come to dominate our discourse.

    Let me elaborate.

    Imagine for a minute if a successful male role model had written a book explicitly for boys, in the tradition of the classical textbooks on engineering/science/mathematics, and emphasised rigour, and used examples exclusively applicable to males, using language which boys would be comfortable with (but girls would probably not). Imagine he used the default (i.e., masculine) pronoun throughout, so as to make it easier for boys to identify with any example given. Imagine that he completely ignored all the usual PC-language nonsense which the "progressive" crowd in educational circles is so fond of nowadays, and used a no-bullshit, call-a-spade-a-spade approach which boys can usually instantly grok, and are more comfortable with. Further, he would have tried to make mathematics more "manly" by making short work of the idea that boys who like mathematics are "nerds" or other social outcasts, and by identifying it with masculinity throughout the ages. Imagine he tried to bring out the kick-ass-ness of many male mathematicians throughout history, while implicitly linking their masculinity with both their mathematics and their kick-ass-ness - showing it as a complementary triad.

    Now imagine that this book had succeeded - imagine it managed to convince a large number of boys to actually learn and like mathematics, and also proved to be something which sparked off a mini-revolution in schools across the country (extremely unlikely, I know, but please bear with me for a moment). Imagine it set off a pro-mathematics trend, or managed to correct the more pernicious effects of the anti-rigour and in general anti-intellectual atmosphere found in many schools today, with special reference to the subjects of mathematics and science.

    What would have been the reaction?

    Most probably, irrespective of the merits of the book itself, and the work it may have done it get a large number of boys interested in mathematics, it would have been denounced as social commentators, feminists, assorted people from the left, maybe a few from the right, and educationists, as discriminatory, sexist, and insensitive, with probably the "racist" epithet hurled in for good measure.

    However, when a feminine role model does it, this thought does not even occur to us. We take it for granted that special books by females for females are, in some mysterious and unquestionable fashion, immune to criticisms which would be levelled against any male who did the corresponding thing for his gender.

    This is not to suggest that we should criticise this author. To the contrary, in fact - she has taken efforts to rectify what she sees as a larger cultural problem. She must be applauded for that.

    However, the point is that, the same way we applaud her, we must also applaud the hypothetical male author outlined above, for both are working towards a noble goal - that of education - in the way they think they can contribute the most. That is more than can be said for the vast majority.

    By ignoring the differences between the genders, we do society and the individuals in it, through the medium of our education policies, a great disservice. By non-judgementally accepting the differences, and optimising our education systems to take them into account, with differently structured books for girls and boys in junior and middle school is the need is felt for such, we can improve education for everyone, instead of making attempts to forcefully fit it into out pet ideological framework.

    Denying the reality of the differences between the genders because it does not fit in with our political worldview is, IMHO, as irrational as denying that some scientific fact because it does not fit in with our religious worldview.







    More generally, while speaking of mathematics, it is my opinion that teaching it in a rigorous but intuitive manner is an absolute

    1. Re:It is astounding..... by lysse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine for a minute if a successful male role model had written a book explicitly for boys, in the tradition of the classical textbooks on engineering/science/mathematics, and emphasised rigour, and used examples exclusively applicable to males, using language which boys would be comfortable with (but girls would probably not).
      ...OK, but for the analogy to work, you also have to imagine that his book is an embroidery textbook.
  34. Re:What achievement gap? by asbooki · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But why do they make those life choices? When you walk into a room and you're the only girl and the rest are hormonal boys making stupid jokes, are you going to go back? I did, but that's because I've been a geek all my life but I have plenty of friends that did not. And if you notice, this book is targeting middle school girls. That the time where girls choose, in a real sense, whether to care about math. So, she wrote the book in a style for middle school girls and if they make it out of puberty with a little more math knowledge, they might make different choices. A great example of a more nuanced look at this (for older girls in computer science) is MIT's report on women enrolled in the EECS department from over 10 years ago: http://www.eecs.mit.edu/AY94-95/announcements/13.h tml The sad part is that a lot of the material in here is still true.

  35. Re:And still more wildcards by kalaf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alright, no one is to flame anyone until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do type "God"

  36. Re:Baseball?? BASEBALL???? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Funny

    What do you mean on the Ninth Day? Haven't you ever read Genesis, the rest of the creation story takes place "In the Big Inning".....cue the groans.

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  37. Math *is* hard by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best math always is. It's hard, gives you a headache, you lose sleep trying to figure it out. But once you do you are astonished at how elegant it is and how it all fits together so beautifully. And it doesn't matter in the slightest what anatomy you have between your legs, or what your 23rd chromosome pair looks like.

    I object to the word "mathematics" being debased to elementary-school arithmetic. But that's another matter.

    ...laura

    1. Re:Math *is* hard by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The best math always is. It's hard, gives you a headache, you lose sleep trying to figure it out. But once you do you are astonished at how elegant it is and how it all fits together so beautifully.
      Wrong. So wrong.

      Yes mathematics gives you a headache. Frequently you don't get it. Frequently you must spend weeks on a topic before getting it. Often it may elude you for years. Then you finally get it, and usually hard work and effort has absolutely nothing to do with that.

      The sad fact is, people think mathematics is hard because most mathematicians are lousy at explaining it. It's not explained properly and as a result people struggle with it until they finally come across a resource or idea or epiphany that allows them to realize the in retrospect blindingly obvious idea that lay behind the whole topic. What to know why it seems so "elegant" and obvious in retrospect. It's because it is obvious, as long as you were taught it correctly.

      Best example I can think of offhand is determinants? Remember those? I'll bet there's a lot of people here who went through the whole spiel with them over and over and all the while didn't have a clue what they were all about. Let me tell you what they are, or quote a better man than I on the subject. "The determinant of a matrix is an (oriented) volume of the parallelepiped whose edges are its columns." You see, that's what a determinant actually is, but most student are never taught that most essential fact. Once you get that, the rest is all just formulae around it. But most are just taught the formulae. Most of mathematics is taught like this. Form without essence. It's a tradgedy. The greater tragedy is people think all this incompetence is a result of mathematics being "hard". It's just hard to teach, not to learn.

      Here's a link to a much longer rant which shows just how big a problem the teaching of mathematics has become in some quarters.
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